QUANTUMANIA: Why Kang Was Exiled & Kang War Explained!
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Quantumania introduces us to one Kang the Conquerer, who was exiled for starting the Multiversal War among the Kang Dynasty. Why did Kang start this war, what did he do during it, and why did the dynasty choose to exile him instead of just killing him? Erik Voss explains everything you might have missed from the Kang backstory scenes in Quantumania and how this will set up Loki Season 2, Avengers Kang Dynasty, and Avengers Secret Wars!
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I felt Kang variant in Quantumania was very much like Shakespeare's Othello a tragic figure who felt betrayed and now exacting his revenge on those who betrayed him.
Exact the wrong revenge on individuals, when he should be angry at himself (the other Nathaniel Richards who has sent him into exile).
True
that may be where jonathan majors came to be inspired from
Johnathon majors said he got inspiration from Othello, ghanis khan, and Alexander the great
@@313massey I avoided his interviews by just going to watch the film first to get a feel of his performance.
I also felt like that scene between Kang and Janet ended very abruptly mid dialog. Could have added some much-needed depth to Kang and his motivations.
I guess we will see it at some point.
i think marvel doesnt want us to know everything at a time so maybe wait till Loki s2??
I just saw it last night, and I'd say a lot of issues would have been avoided if the Antagonist and Protagonist(Janet) didn't answer questions in the vaguest way possible.
100% agree
I think that was part of the point. I dont think this Kang is actually dead, but stuck like Darren. I think we will learn more about it as we meet the other kang's and then I think this kang comes back in The Kang Dynasty as the actual big bad kang.
I find it so interesting that what drives Kang is knowing that Kang wants to rule over all of time, which would lead to kangs destruction. Each Kang really wants order, but knows it's only possible when one Kang remains.
@Souven Tudu I think they're planning a complete reset after this. The multiverse resets and so too does the cinematic universe
There can only be one.
Just like the one who remains Kang..
@@xplosiv211 imagine they just went to reboot every hero after that.hmm 💰
@@izzanirfan2534 I think that's exactly what's going happen
Kangs dialog of "I'm the only one who can see that it's broken" is so Thanos like
yeah.. ikr it's like Thanos said in Infinity War
- " I'm the only one who knows that, atleast i'm the only one with the will to act on it"
lol yes btw if you saw the movie i feel like darren aka morok looked like thanos 😂😂
So is he the 'he who remains'?
Another character that's "cursed with knowledge"
Definitely Authoritarian like.
I think they council of kang banish this specific version of kang because he is the one that will become "he who remains" we saw in loki.I bet the leaders of the council of kangs somehow found the citadel and learn of what he who remains was doing and they were able to pinpoint which variant would become he who remains and they banish him .
Both quantum kang and he who remains shares the same plan, they plan to have one circular timeline.
I thought the same thing
I think that could be what they are setting up
But this Kang wants to annihilate every other Kang and their Universe. He Who Remains just removed our Universe from the multiverse and created the TVA to keep variants and nexus events from reconnecting Earth 616s Universe with all the other Universes and their Kangs, all the other universes and Kangs continued to fight and connect, He Who Remains just isolated our timeline from the whole war.
No scars on he who remains
I had the same exact thought
I feel like when they talk about "they killed him" they want us to think about Kang from Quantumania but really talking about Sylvie and Loki killing He Who Remains.
I agree. Ppl saying they the same kang don’t make sense. The personality don’t make up.
But it's explicity mentioned as, "The exiled one is dead."
I it was the one who was exiled but that could also be the one who remains but I’m not sure if it’s on the same timeline. Because like he said he has seen the end and at the end you can tell he is in almost every timeline that has ever been.
Also the kang from quantimania isn't dead because he is kang the Conqueror. The other kangs aren't Conquerors, just his variants.
Maybe when sylvie killed he who remains he was cast into the quantum realm and he was the conqueror all along.
I have a feeling he who remains is Kang the conqueror. That’s why he said see you soon because they meet him again just younger and more aggressive.
He’s going to win the multiverse war in kang dynasty after he meets alioth in the temporal
No I think what he meant by “seeing them soon” was he knew in them killing him they were going to see another variant of him in the future as a result of killing him
no, he who remains doesnt have a scar
He who remains will be the last survived Kang out of all versions of Kang, not this loser LOL
That line "you have no idea what I've lost" combined with what looked like tears to me from Kang made me think he's motivated by a loss of love. I think Renslayer from Loki is a varient of his wife who was probably killed by the Kang Council for some reason and when he came looking for revenge is when he was exiled
I have a feeling that Kang "the conqueror" will be the one of the main protagonist by the end of multiverse saga... And Reed Richard will be very important character going forward...
Hey y’all looks like we have a detective on our hands over here
@@jimmybeanchugger1832let him say his opinion you bully
Kang got beaten by an ant and modok looks goofy and hes dead in the movie
@@skyfigurefun kang never beaten by ant he was still alive when thousands of ant attacked him. Imagine the ant was a thousand years advanced and kang survived when ants attacked him. Wasp and scott the one defeated kang not by ants.
My problem on this movie was scott lang and wasp beat kang in fighting scene when kang has a thousand years experienced
@@jlot8almahska what if its all part of his plan 🤔
That scene with the stadium full of Kangs has to be a full go for Avengers 5. Scott warning the avengers on earth about what is coming.
A BLM rally. It was a true sight to see.
@@2_572it's wild your mind goes straight to that 🤦
@@hurricanestarang it's his nature
Naw they getting they own movie the kang dynasty
@@kojoanderson9500 Imagine instead of the Avengers being the main characters, it's the Kang variants who get most of the screentime. Just like how the Losers Club get most of the screentime despite the movies being called "IT."
Wouldn't it be a twist if this exiled Kang is actually the good one and he saw the other variants were causing multiversal end games, truly evil variants just posing as good. Perhaps Kang Dynasty will be the emergence of this Kang coming back to help and eliminate the bad variants
That is the exact feeling I got after the movie. I feel like he will either become He Who Remains or become the rumored variant of the Beyonder
I am leaning that way
I think good and bad are all about perspective so I believe each Kang thinks that they are the good one that will bring and end to the multiversal board but they all want to destroy every universe besides their own So they're all the same
i seen it twice and the second time i watched it i felt like he wasn’t the villian . because he said he has to NEEDS to get out to stop what’s coming , and when cassie asked what’s coming he said “me, a whole lot of me” so i’m guessing he is trying to stop the other variants from causing chaos
@@ACG1k I believe that every Kang probably has a similar perspective. I think each Kang thinks they have to end the war and make their timeline the dominant one
Watching Loki season 1 gives a deeper appreciation of this movie than if one didn't.
True, seeing Kang as an exile was awesome and interesting
Kang and he who remains have the same mission but the way they action it is way different. Kang kills them himself, he who remains uses a device to remove the branches. You can see the differences in morals
Guys...the council of Kang wasn't talking about quantumania Kang. They were talking about he who remains. HE is the one they were afraid of who couldn't die and kept the timeline in order. Loki, but ironically not earth 616 loki, ruined everything again by killing he who remains. Silvie, is the cause of the Kang Dynasty
Moreover, the hero of avengers Kang dynasty will be this Kang. Mark my words. He is now the least of their evils.
That's what im also thinking about and in the loki scene that the who remains feels something is the kang from quantumania is dead. That's why he tells to loki and sylvie to decide to kill him or takeover the tva
Actually Loki did not kill He Who Remains. Sylvie did, but please explain that part please because that just confused me
They literally said the exiled one😂😂😂
@@theilluminatibenefactorsylvie is a loki lol so i think thats why OP said loki killed him
He who remains would have had to destroy countless timelines to establish a single sacred timeline. This conqueror tried the same, but got stopped. I feel that's what we will see phase 5, many kangs trying to clean timelines, all failing to our heroes. By the end of multiverse saga, some kang successfully reduces everything to a single timeline and MCU can move on to Galactus phase.
I think this storyline can be a separate film: Kang the Conqueror vs the Kang Dynasty
i really like how you can see the parallel between Kang and HWR; they are both concerned with the preservation of the multiverse, it's just Kang wants an iron fist to annihilate threats and the latter completely obliterated the threats and stopping the war through utilizing Alioth
I think this Kang is the Kang that was supposed to become He Who Remains.
He was eliminating all the branches of time to only have one timeline which He Who Remains had.
When he was killed by Sylvie the branches started to appear again.
He Who Remains was a future version of this Kang, had he been successful in eliminating all the other Kangs and branches of time.
I also think it’s not a coincidence that he told Loki and Sylvie see you soon and he’s the first Kang we get after his (He Who Remains) death.
Or maybe the see you soon was for victor timely since he is the first one Loki sees in the scene from the post credits
@@tmoney6371 that’s true too! The possibilities are endless lol
my exact thoughts leaving the cinema!!!
I think that Victor timely
I believe he is 'He who remains' as well....but two contradictions are there 1) the kang in loki didn't have the scars and 2) the one in loki claimed he was a scientist and that other kangs wanted war, not him.
Y’all, I just realized something!!! In “Loki” when He Who Remains is showing the Kang variants fighting, he showed 5 varients. So far throughout the Multiverse Saga, we’ve now seen those 5 varients : He Who Remains, Kang the Conqueror, Imortus, Rama-Tut, and the cyborg looking one. What if those 5 are the Kang Dynasty we’ll see the Avengers fight?
But what is “he who remains” name before he becomes that because he’s kind of end result of something
@T Money maybe he's Kang.. or maybe he's Victor Timely...
Interestingly enough: three time keepers in the TVA and three main Kang variants at the end of this movie.
Maybe they're the same ones????
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Not confirmed but the cyborg variant could very well be the Scarlet Centurion. Also I doubt we'll only focus on these 5, we might see the Avengers and their multiversal counterparts battling the council across time and space in different realities, which honestly would be epic if it could be pulled off and beat the endgame saga in terms of awesomeness.
Okay so what if our badboi Kang the Conqueror does end up becoming He Who Remains, and Loki finds out in Loki S2, and now will need to convince our heroes to save him because in the long run he does prevent the rest of the Kangs of bringing chaos upon the Multiverse... Which results in Loki again siding with our main 'antagonist', but now in a way different manner... Something like that..??
I’d pay to see it
intrestubg
I have a funny feeling that he who remains is Kang the conqueror. They both wanted to see balance in the time line. But the others don’t.
No
After watching QM & having learned more about Kang’s past, his motivations don’t seem much different than Thanos’s vision of consolidating the universe.
I suppose the difference is that Thanos wanted 50% of a grateful universe to thrive without him. Kang wants 99.999% of life in the multiverse to end, with the sliver that _remains_ controlled by him.
@@Naptosis well they can say its an act of self defense as well. because being idle means your existence and you universe is wiped out. there is really no other way except to be number 1
WE HAD A DEAL.
This is giving Council Of Ricks vibes. 0:34
Kang is such an interesting character trying to understand his motives as to what he does, psychologically
Watching them get pulled into the quantum realm, while on shrooms was wild!
Thats what i did
I think this Kang might actually be He Who Remains. Since in the end he wen into the Time Vortex, in there he could've find the dark cloud, his everything eating pet lol also, they are equally concerned with one timeline and incursion; spending years in the time vortex could actually change him, how he sees things and went in a more pragmatic way (eventually becoming He Who Remains). So...
interestingggg
That's a good point. Perhaps he comes out of the vortex with a more gregarious personality (like in the Loki finale), just because he's so happy to see other people after so long alone in the vortex.
Then he sets to work continuing his plan of genocıde, but this time more pragmatically as you said; pruning entire timelines so that he doesn't have to cruelly släüghter vast amounts of people.
The only issue is that He Who Remains doesn't have those two strange scars on his face - but those could just be cosmetically repaired at some point.
I thought so too, but he who remains doesn’t have the face scars…
Its not the same
It’s the same. The scars could’ve been removed when he got sun led into the multiversal engine core where the burst of energy he experienced lengthened his life and rejuvenated his skin. You don’t know what happened to him once he shrunk into that core. But they’re clearly the same person hwr even said he was once called a conquerer.
Some people have to remember kang in loki season 1 was kang but stopped all the maddness and lived millions of lifetimes he was at one point maybe the strongest kang or the most intelligent
I feel like when he emphasized he was a "Conqueror", that was our pointer that he will be the big bad villain going forward. That is Kang the Conqueror, and clearly has bad intentions. Other variants will come into play in the next movies but He Who Remains (who I think is a different variant than the Kang we saw in Quantamania) ends up ending the multiversal war and creating the TVA along with the single sacred timeline.
When KTC in Quantamania said he sees how it ends and then pulled up the Sacred Timeline, maybe that is him saying he see's how it ends with there being a Sacred Timeline with He Who Remains at the helm, but KTC wants to be at the helm instead?
Idk I'm also bad at this stuff, looking forward to seeing how it plays out.
If you didn’t like this movie it’s because you had expectations for something that this movie was never trying to be. It’s okay to appreciate art yall. The story goes on
People can dislike a movie all they want, there is nothing wrong with criticizing or not liking a movie for various reasons.
@@isplat927 never said they couldn’t🤷🏽♂️ read my comment before you get all defensive.
@@jalenjohnson9543 your comment seems to insinuate that the reason why people dislike the movie is because they put their expectations too high.
@@isplat927 I’m saying people said it was trash and horrible because they didn’t get something that they wanted. In other words. This mindset will give you one result(thought on the movie)The mindset I described (it’s okay to appreciate art) will give you another result. Never said anyway was “right” or “wrong” like what you’re saying. Either way I said what I said and stand by it and I agree with you 100%. I just didn’t say what you’re trying to say I’m saying if that makes sense.
I thought the movie was good
From Ms. Minutes, The multiversal war was from other Kangs but at the midcredit scene , all these variants have been assembled again because Kang the Conqueror. All these variants who went to war because of the Conqueror, have gathered again to annihilate the threat, again, I assume. Is he the Powerful amongst all the Kangs, even the 3!?
Yes more Voss coverage!! Is it possible Victor Timely might be He Who Remains?
no chance
@@billybutcher326 maybe Kang himself as it looks like he might be creating an early version of his time chair
You ever notice the villains always seem to do the world justice
Because "heroes" almost never see their own flaws... villians do! They bring balance in the heroes journey of growth and development.
Villians have seen the flaws of themselves and the world around them and seek destructive ways to "fix it" because they feel through chaos order can be had...
Except for vision in what if and ultron they are pure evil
I cannot imagine "He Who Remains" not becoming, well, He Who Remains once again to stabilize everything. In the comics I think, the Avengers left someone to watch over Kang to make sure he grows up morally - which suggests to me that he will, and once again do what he feels would be the best way to protect realities by keeping everything separate.
Kang bout 'ta pop outta Kingpin's living skeleton like the first Xenomorph from Prometheus in the next Spiderverse movie.
I really believe Kang the Conqueror is He Who Remains
Yes, he was kang the conqueror he did mentioned it in Loki about having that name before Miss Minutes or was it Ravonna Slayer refer to him as "He Who Remains".
He who remains has no scars
The Kang dynasty now has a citadel at the end of time .
just like the one
he who remains had before he died
I’m guessing
“they are in charge now “
Good timing Voss. I just got out of the theater and have many thoughts.
So technically our poor Kang is trying to save the multiverse from his variants but Avengers are fking him over lol
He is not trying to save it, he's trying to destroy them all, since there is only peace when there is one timeline and one Kang.
Thanks for going over the conversation with Kang and Janet, I saw the film earlier tonight but choose that moment for a toilet break 😂
This is the piece of information I have been looking for. I had no clue how it worked or even an idea. This made it make sense and I cannot thank you enough!
The Kang Dynasty sounds like it's going to be pretty dang epic!!!!
Hank Pym is F*cking scary in this film, if he's a villain avengers wouldn't stand a chance
Technically, we've been meeting the Kang's from nicest to worst. He Who Remains was also trying to hold Kangs at bay. This one is also, but doing it less elegantly. The biggest problem is the other more crazy Kangs.
I think Kang is He who Remains. He had the exact same goal. He was pissed, but maybe not evil.
He Who Remains was the LAST Kang. There were no others. He got rid of ALL the other timelines. When he died and the multiverse was allowed to flourish without pruning the other Kangs returned to existence. Previously, any timeline that lead to their birth was pruned. There was no Council of Kangs prior to the finale of Loki.
So who exiled Kang the Conquerer?
That makes a lot of sense but doesn't that mean that there's some things in Infinity Saga that are changed because of this? Unless A&W Quantumania happened in another universe where Kang met Janet!
I’ve watched all your video this weekend. I hadn’t time to do something else 😂❤
This is helpful because I was so confused how Kant could’ve been banished decades ago when Loki happened after endgame
yeah but no, loki happens after the first avenger
idk if i was the only one wondering this, but when cassie, janet, pym and hope hopped through the portal at the end, the background looked like they were in the 80s with old screens and grey everything. idk if i was trippin but wondering if anyone else noticed this.
I can’t believe how big this channel is compared to when I first saw it!! Awesome job Erik n co!!
I feel that Kang created “Future Kang” and that’s why it might bother him that HE wasn’t the one that destroyed him. Like a Frankenstein’s monster wanting to destroy his creator
Feels like he wanna be that Kang that died on Loki... But before TVA exist to control timelines... He had to do it by himself to erase the other kangs... They had the same motivation and how they do things...
This Kang is definitely going to be another "Red Skull". We'll see him again
Though unlike Red Skull, he won’t be a guide to others in search of an object, like the soul stone. I could be wrong though.
@@soccerruben1 I mean like what happened to Red Skull. He'll return. We all thought Red Skull is dead before Infinity War
I think Kang Dynasty somehow ends with QM Kang being exiled to the QR. Like he was actually exiled from that future, into the QR, where time is all weird. And that's when Janet meets Kang for the first time.
This was very helpful and well explained. Thank you again.
Great as always! THANKS!
I don’t think this kang is dead yet I believe he will be back to take his revenge
Like Jafar in Aladdin when he put him in the lamp.
Yeah, he was exiled to the place Darren and Scott was. How he’ll return is for us theorists to discuss and debate.
I have one question dose the Kang we meet in Quantumania the only Kang to hold the title of conqueror or do other variants of him hold it to. If so then we may have to refer the the Kang in Quantumania as the exile.
Other variants of him hold that title
Because according to him and the other variants he was the one who always waged war on everyone/timeline hence conquer
Can’t wait for Avengers 5 and 6.
Just watched the movie. I don't understand why people say it's bad.
I don’t understand it either. I could see the first act being average, but yeah don’t get the bad reviews. Which is not to say that people can’t have an opinion that this movie is worth a 6/10 than a 7 or 8/10.
Internet is weird.
We keep saying Kang the Conquer was the “exile one” but what if it was “ he who remains.” Rama Tut said, “ it must kill you ‘they’ killed him. Could be talking about Loki and Sylvie. Kang the Conquer isn’t from the MCU scared timeline because he’s not dead and it didn’t affect anything at the end like Immortus was implying. When he who remains was killed, by they it destroyed the scared time line and branched out. For such supreme beings like kangs I’m sure they would’ve known or feel if Kang the conquer is really dead. They clearly talking about He who remains.
Kang the conqueror is "he who remains" and he knows it but he can't change anything because that his desired outcome. He wanted to be sent to that place with the celestials since he needs alioth
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This actually made so much sense 😅
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I didn't understand... Is He Who Remains and Exiled Kang is the same person? Or Victor Timely is He Who Remains? Or we haven't seen He Who Remains since he was killed. And who is the Prime Kang? Too many questions and holes 😱
They're all different variants.
Maybe victor timely is a brainwashed Kang the conqueror because of what happened in quantumania and then will become he who remains
I like how they're trying to make us lean toward thinking this Kang will be He Who Remains. Especially when we're yet to see Iron Lad, who I think is going to play through Kang's cycle for us.
Antman and The Wasp Quantumania was a great movie. Super excited to see more Kang. I want to see Jim Carrey play a variant of Kang
How would Jim Carey play Kang better than the performance of Kang the conquerer in qm?
Thanks Erik!
Dialogue in this movie was great!
I bet you the Kang in quantumania wanted to be the only Kang that exists in the multiverse and wants to do what He Who Remains accomplished in Loki. The council of Kangs most likely saw Quantumania Kang as a threat to all of their existence so they trapped him while He Who Remains (possibly Iron Lad) defeats the Kang council (while they are distracted due to their fear of Quantum Kang) allowing HWR to claim leadership of the sacred timeline ruling over it for an unfathomable amount of time until Sylvia kills him allowing the Kang council to reemerge restarting the multiversal war.
Quantumania Kang started the universal war
“He who remains” ended the multiversal war. The Kang leader didn’t mention He who remains
I strongly believe that the exile is he who remains in a younger form. Same variant, different points in existence. OR a variant who shares many of the same end of the line-plan similarities
Thanks Voss. Now it's all clear to me
When they say they killed him at the end, wonder if they are referencing he who remains, and not the conqueror
The annoyed kang looking back at the excited one is me in any social situation...
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"I wish that mattered, Janet"
That was freakin cold lol
Among all council of Kang there is one prime Kang which could be this Quantamania one who exactly wants to stabilise multiverse by killing timelines and then create a separate single timeline conquered by him.(So Prime kang is the kang who becomes He who remains)
3:16 that interaction is quite similar to the one between thanos and gamora in infinity war
To me it sounds like the next Loki season might just be bigger deal than this movie answering our questions about Kang. Btw with the arrival of Adam Warlock and High Evolutionary in the next GTG i'm more excited too see what comes next/what their post-credits will be than the movie itself LOL
You were right bro!
I’m thinking this Kang was actually the “good one” that was trying to stop them from destroying the different timelines. That’s my guess based off the scene of him & Janet talking in the past.
That’s probably what they are going for. They probably will explain later the reason kang never invaded the mcu was because both kang who was exile and he who remain were keeping them back. But since both are now dead, there is nothing stop kangs from invading
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The rat from endgame was a kang variant. He was trying to get to the meeting of kangs. He thought the van was his time chair. But him being a rat, he’s not very smart.
So the super heros and up being the real villains. Good work
I thought there were five videos coming to the deep-dive yesterday I only got three
Scott's gang doesn't killed kang he just exiled himself,we might just assume that he is hidden beyond the time and he was exiled by his own universe's parents or himself, Further important aspects of his time manipulations will be shown in Loki or F4,I actually think that F4 were the people or the team who exiled him to trap in the QR, Victor Timely would be the first person to conquer timelines,we would also see how he find the manipulation device and started killing and pruning them before their existence.Kang was a cleaver and meaner than all the villains whome we've seen so far.
How tf do these guys get such good footage
We need a solo Nathaniel Richards movie, the first ever KANG in the 31st century. Now that would be awesome knowing the madness he'll end up with. The possibilities of that movie would be endless.
Did anyone notice what he said when he was about to take off before Cassie cut off his signal to speak to everyone that was there... he was ready to go stop his other various in they didn't let him leave...
I think the kang we see in quantmania is the one who in Loki season 1 and he gets killed by Sylvie & that’s what sets off the multiversal war.
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This Kang time travel, multiverse and pruning shenanegins is so confusing
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I believe that this version of kang had died in the end of the movie but as you have mentioned above that there will be replacement for the conqueror version of kang that is why the big 3 were summoned for taking of the next version of kang the conqueror
Universe 616 then is the main timeline? And "He who remains" is the time keeper of the 616 universe so it wont collide nor other variants nor universe get in 616 universe. He who remains was protecting 616 universe and sylvie killed him and opened the gates of hell. And Kang the Conqueror tried to stop endless incursion by destroying the universe and/or the other. However, just like he said other variants of Kang are childish playing time like it's something you play with, multiple incursion occur and endless war continues. Dang ! I am getting the vibe that Kang The Conqueror is like an Anti hero. And he does not have universe to go back so he destroy universes that cannot help with. He who remains keep 616 safe preserving 616 timeline. This shit is crazy 😁 and i like it
While it wasn't said. It's in his name why he was thrown there. He is the conqueror. Those flashbacks are of him trying to conquer the multiverse