MCU Multiverse FINALLY Explained - Timelines, Universes, KANG's Plan & Avengers SECRET WARS
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The MCU Multiverse is a lot of fun--but man does it get confusing. What's the difference between a universe and a timeline? How does this fit into Cictor Timely, Kan'g Pln, and the TVA? In this video w4 explain the difference and how all of this is leading up to Avengers Secret Wars.
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Yup... You got it. Tony stark broke "Time" not loki. Revona was right. "the avengers did what they were suppose to do."
That was the concept. A model of proof that it works. If the Avengers get pruned "Nathal Richards" can't find the discovery about the Ancor.
Notice how Kangs Tempad looks just like Tony's model of the Ancor, to ground him to HIS universe. The only thing that doesn't make sense is Steve Rogers.
Time only works like back to the future in the TVA, which is like a little merry go round in the center of the timelines. Think about it, you would need to have a flow of time to even talk or do anything there so there is a self contained loop but unlike the refined timelines of the loom the TVA time works like back to the future where there is a past present and future you can alter.
It is either a natural loop Kang took advantage of or one he created to facilitate the TVA entirely.
Further if you think about it the TVA HAS to have time which works like that otherwise variants could be born INSIDE the TVA which would eventually lead to Kang's downfall as anything that can happen does happen.
SO the TVA is like a safe time loop around the citadel at the end of time which is where Alioth lives/was found.
And I firmly believe that the Citadel at the end of time is built on the same void Alioth exists in and is the crumbling last remains of it as the timer for resetting the whole timeline is the last bit of material crumbling at the center before the rebirth.
One thing you’re not noticing is that he who remains says that a variant of himself lived in the 31st century and he was a scientist discovered that there were universes stacked on top of each other.
If that was the original why did he who remains call him a variant. The original is victor timely
I think it's insane how they said this show had no reshoots, the story they set out to tell is the story we see and it's a masterpiece so far. Can't wait for these last 2 episodes.
Somebody spent some time to plan it. The rest MCU phase 4 and 5 were messed up because they hired noobs to manage their time
Not having to do reshoots should be standard I think. First you write the script. If you don't like the script, you rewrite it until you're satisfied with it. And only then you start filming. You film all the scenes that are in your script. Then you add special effects and other post-work. And that's it.
Surely it must be cheaper that way too. Changing the script after you started filming, scrapping already filmed scenes and filming new ones instead, redoing special effects etc. - all that must cost a lot of extra money.
Masterpiece? Lmao I mean it’s good, but a masterpiece? Just curious, what else in tv is considered a masterpiece to you as far as television goes?
@@ronthorn3 breaking bad, mainly because of performances and character arcs, which is something this show has nailed. Plus the cinematography is excellent.
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@@proximashining776 that's how standard television is. Reshoots before Marvel's footprint was mostly if test audiences didn't respond well or an actor that was unavailable is suddenly now available. There are scheduled reshoots in TV but it's for very minor tweaks, not "let's change the entire 3rd act" type of reshoots. After the news broke about Marvel TV not having a script fully completed, didn't have showrunners but instead film executives running the shows, etc. I can see why MCU Disney+ is struggling. That's why I'm excited for Gunn's DCU as he learned from Marvel and prefers the old school route of having a finished script before going to production. Like you said, it keeps the budget lowered.
Loki season 2 has been such a blast! The show is so good that even when stuff happens that I completely don't understand I still have so much fun watching it just because everything else on screen is just so incredible!
Doug doesn’t agree with!!!
What was it you didn't understand? Not being a prick i wanna help clarify, this show is a banger needs longer episodes.
@@michaelallen555nimbly wimbly timey wimey stuff probably did him in
Fr😂 😂 I NEVER been so invested in a series that I have to rewinded so much . My slow ass be missing what’s going on 😂🤦🏾♂️ but after about 2 rewatches an hella rewinds.. The Theories from whether Timely was put in the 19th century as a baby from another timeline or WAS he actually a Victor variant. IS starting to make sense. This show is up there with some Marvel movies. It’s definitely better than any other MCU tv show
@@michaelallen555more so I’m just tryna to figure out if There are all one person or if they are actually variants of each other. I’m stating to think it the latter. 😂😂😂 I always wanted to use that in a sentence hahaha
It makes me happy to hear “this job is a dream come true”. It certainly comes through in the work.
All I know is that you guys NEED to keep making these videos. Like, at all cost. If it weren’t for SC I wouldn’t be so invested and aware of what’s happening, which would definitely dilute my experience overall. Thank you for making Marvel better!
Exactly!! After each Marvel movie I watch, SC saves the day by explaining everything.
Here’s a theory: The reason Loki can go back in time through the TVA and change things at the TVA is because the TVA has an apocalypse coming where everyone dies. So like in season 1, you can do whatever you want at the TVA and no branches will happen. Timeslipping was always possible at the TVA. Nobody ever saw it happen before so they thought it wasn’t possible. OB is the one who said it wasn’t possible but he got all of his knowledge from a Kang variant as he admitted in episode 4. HWR stated that his methods were deceptive. The “no time at the TVA” was just part of the dogma. Everything we see at the TVA is the past when you look at it from the end of time. I think the TVA used to be where the Citadel is.
you forgot that the TVA is like a pocket dimension separated by time and space right?
My theory is, that during Loki Season 2 episode 6, Kang the conqueror will escape the Multiversal Engine Core, who gets stranded in the Void, saving Ravonna Renslayer from being consumed by Alioth, who will then tame the beast, then at the end of the same episode Loki will go on to run the TVA during the events of Deadpool 3, but then during the events of Avengers The Kang Dynasty, Kang the Conqueror along with Ravonna Renslayer will usurp the power that Loki has over the TVA, leading to Loki warning the Avengers, then they will fight the Council of Kangs, but at the end of the film, Kang the Conqueror will prune all of the other timelines, leaving only the Sacred Timeline, then during the events of Avengers Secret Wars, the Avengers fight Kang the Conqueror, but will then help redeem Kang the Conqueror of his evil ways, leading him to become He Who Remains!
incorrect already, since Deadpool 3 script did not exist when they finished filming episode 6. So nothing like that will occur. And you will no longer see the variant you saw in ant man 3, wont be returning. Alioth will no longer be shown either. Renslayer will not be featured in the Avengers films btw. There will never be anymore pruning of all timelines, as it has already occurred in the past once, and much like John Connor was not originally someone who had Kyle Reese as the father, as it was not the first version of Skynet either, Terminator 2 and 3 explain this. We will not be seeing multiverse pruned anymore. And no, you will not see any One who remains, seems you were not paying attention to the video or the show ...he who remains is dead, he changed the past in a way where the loop is broken and he will never again become the one who remains.
Dude I LOVE this theory. I hope Feige and co. have thought out Phases 5 & 6 as well as you just did. A few years ago I would have been certain they did, but now I'm not so sure. Phase 4 was very messy. Hoping 5 and 6 are better and more planned out.
@@Immortal_Liberty you say _they_ weren't paying attention, but you seem to miss the whole "you plunge your blade into my chest... and i end up back here anyways" part.
HWR is inevitable, because loki and sylvie _didn't_ take his offer to take control of the TVA from him in season1, when it's what he wanted them to do - because he was tired of doing the loop again and again and again
@@Immortal_Libertythey’ve kinda hinted Deadpool is gonna prune some variants.
I can just see Principal Rennslayer taming Alioth by slapping its hands with a ruler
My faith in Marvel is being restored with Loki and GotG3. After years of mediocre series AND films, we finally get the quality the we expect from Marvel. I enjoy watching Loki so much. I hope it only gets better from here on out.
One thing I found interesting was that when OB and Moebius were discovering information via Loki talking to OB in the past...this is "old school" time travel logic - a single cohesive narrative that can be influenced in the past to affect the future (no branch timelines).
Is this because TVA exists "outside of time" and can't have a branch reality?
I think that plus the fact that Loki’s time slipping was partially due to having been kicked through the portal opened by He Who Remains’ TemPad.
"Time works differently in the TVA."
Yes, I think something about being within the TVA means that it cannot have branching timelines. That combined with using He Who Remains tempad that can seemingly access all points of time including the TVA's created the problem. All that makes sense, but who actually created the TVA is a bit of an issue right now.
I suspect no branches happen at the TVA because an apocalypse is coming (already happened). Season 1 established this logic. I don’t think they can stop the loom from breaking.
I’ve wondered if this is the same reason no one in the TVA seems to age.
Thor would be so proud of his little brother seeing this Loki, he's everything & much more Thor wished he was.
These actors/actresses work so well with each other. Show is top notch!
Didn’t He who Remains say, in season 1, that he only knew up to a certain part of the timeline. Anything after the moment the Loki’s arrived to him was new to him and he doesn’t know what happens next? That’s why he was excited to see what would happen when he dropped the pen… because he no longer knew what would happen … with that being said, how would he be able to plan all the events after his passing, as you theorized ? Unless he was lying … but it seemed so genuine when He Who Remains finally crossed the threshold of time as he knew it.
Yeah i feel He who remains lied and has replanted himself somewhere as a backup for this new future he is unaware off. He was very excited so i see it as somewhat motivation for himself to get into the mix knowing Loki’s would kill him at that moment. God everyone can make up anything at this point and it all makes sense to some degree 😂 Marvel has struck this one out of the galaxy
Because it was beggining of a new loop so "old" Kang couldn't know what is gonna happen to "new" Kang. It might be some specific moment we dont know yet. Lets wait for all of Kang's story. And of course all of this doesn't mean that they had "free will", its just Kang didnt know what is gonna happen because he died before he could tell it to his new self :D
One of the few gems Marvel have brought us recently. Loki has been so much fun to watch.
I don't know. I can't figure it all out! What I do know is that thus far Loki's character arc has worked, seeing him question his identity in season 1 and growing into a guy who wants to heroically save his friends is what makes it all work. Unlike, secret Invasion, this show is led by character, because plot means nothing without it.
Been wondering (pointlessly probably) about timelines vs universes. Loki S1 seemed to suggest a variant changing an outcome w/ a different choice created a new timeline and THAT creates a split UNIVERSE. But later, its seemed that each UNIVERSE has all its unique TIMELINES. And those can diverge and have a timeline war like what evidently happened when Kang did all that and ended up with his “sacred timeline”. In his one unique universe.
Basically it’s still not clear.
Watch 10 dimensions explained. Their relationship will make more sense
I think the confusion is the result of the movie makers using the terms "universe" and "timeline" interchangeably. They're both basically the same thing. They should have picked one term (either universe or timeline) and use it all the time instead of switching between them.
it's annoying.. I have given up. lol
In multiverse of madness, Strange encounters other Strange’s in other universes. They weren’t variants that branched from the sacred timeline, they were completely different versions in different dimensions with their own timelines. In Loki, the nexus events create branched timelines that create different variants.
I think part of the reason Dream walking is forbidden is because it creates Dream connections between universes. Bridged universes are basically the multiverse. The same happens when the timelines from universes branch and collide. Unpruned they encroach on different timelines in other universes. That why you get incursions.
@@courtney-ray If timelines from universes branch and collide all on their own, why is the multiverse war apparently caused by Kang portrayed as the reason for the destruction of the multiverse though? If universes collide with each other even without external "help", simply because their branches grow a certain way, then that must be a natural thing.
And defeating Kang wouldn't actually save the multiverse because the incursions are happening naturally even without Kang.
Love your videos mate! Keep up the great work!
Your videos are like extended edition for Loki
This saga is sorta confusing ngl, and also overwhelming with all the movies but I still love it
Kinda like with WandaVision, I'm enjoying the confusion
This was good video! Thanks Ryan!
I’ve been saying since we met him that Victor was put there by He Who Remains (or obviously whoever set this plan in motion) and he was plucked and planted, just like how they used young Sylvie in their plan and orphaned her from time. It was the only theory I could come up with which made me feel better about how slap-sticky and filler that episode felt when we met him. O.B. even said that Victor was beyond brilliant for that time, and he was nerfed by the limitations of technology in the time they planted him, on top of being a second class citizen due to his race in that era. It was like a prison he didn’t know he was being kept in, sorta like any variant who works for the TVA.
And now the timeline where Victor Timely is planted is continued as the sacred timeline, and all others are pruned, including the original one where he came from, since the sacred timeline is the one that kang decides it is.
And then, because he is limited, he dies as a poor candle-maker, and no one suspects of him, but then, when the threshold comes, and he dies, the book is delivered, he turns onto victor timely, is set on his path, multiversal war, lioth, tva, The one who remais, loki(...) and so i believe.
Ryan!!! I am all the way there with you! My son has been a follower of you for a long time and I watch you with him. I had to finally become a FULL subscriber since I have been a supporter for years! On this one, I am in total agreement with you. You are the ONLY one out of the others like New Rockstars, Cosmic Wonder, Heavy Spoilers and etc that backs up my own theories I give to my son about Marvel! You are the best and you have a NEW follower for life! Keep them coming! Headed to watch the review on the trailer… let’s go!
My problem with the time loop paradox is that there was likely an original set of events that enabled the loop in the first place, especially when branched timelines are involved. 31st century Kang could have gone through a natural series of events, became He Who Remains, and decided that Victor Timely was the variant to knock over the dominos to create Him. In multiverse/alternate timelines, you can’t preclude that there was a natural origin of the timeline to cause the loop.
THANKS for this, Doug and Ryan!!!! The book is really good but I just skimmed it. I wish you guys had waited a day and incorporated the stuff in the new trailer but there's always tomorrow!
Fantastic work as always, Ryan. Love your vids. And thanks for the shout out. Honored to have helped in any way I could.
Nice breakdown, Ryan!
Dude, u n Doug ROCK!!
Incredible breakdown Ryan!
What do you think of the multiverse saga?
Kang gotta live for at least 24 hours
They gotta put more gay women of colour in it
Kang gona be terrifying more than thanos n make Avengers to pay. Lots of things will change and new things we are going to face
Hi Ryan
I've been enjoying it so far. I think with them cutting back on shows to focus on quality. It will get better from here, and happened long enough before the movie for them to get it right
Really like this new editing style of show and tell. Props to the editor.
*AWESOME!* 😎
Thanks Ryan.
Dude I love this video so much information ❤❤❤❤❤
Enjoyed the video ❤️
Just wanted to say that I'm loving the addition of The Big Lebowski clips. I like your style dude.
Nicely done guys....this is sound 👌
I think Jonathan Majors gives us a hint at Kang the Conqueror's return through the distinct manorisms and speech patterns he uses for each Kang variant. For example, when Miss Minutes shows Renslayer the moment He Who Remains wipes her memory, the vocal cadence Majors' employs in the scene is closer to Kang's deliberate, reserved speech than it is to HWR more flamboyant showmanship. Great show! Love the channel Ryan and Colton!
I can really notice a difference in your hair since I started watching, that's a great ad for keeps😊
Kang's return is not complicated at all. Remember when Thanos snapped Loki's neck, killing him? That was the death of Loki in that Timline, but Loki was alive since birth in that timeline prior to his death. Likewise, there's a point where Victor Timely left the Timeline to visit the TVA, but all moments of Victr Timelys iife (prior to his death) still exist on the Timeline. The same way that a past version of Loki "sidesteped" his own death, Loki can sip back in time and find a younger Vicotr Timely (still on the Timeline), and take *THAT* Victor Timely back to the TVA to do it differently. And he can do this nigh-infinite times, for every moment of Victor Timely's life from birth until he stepped thru the time portal.
You do know that if you do that, eventually u have to return what you’ve took to thay exact moment? If you keep sacrifice Timly like that i doubt things will remain the same when you can return him to every moment you took him away
Kang "falling" to the bedrock of all existence really is the crucial point of the entire saga (which follows from Infinity War, so it fits perfectly). I'm also glad you finally made a reference to Lost, as I've been getting "not Penny's boat' vibes for a while now. I'll see ya in another life, brotha.
MARVEL truthfully need your guide man! Cheers for your nerdly passion!
I mean the mid season trailer gave us some answers to all my doubts
I’m going to keep coming to Screen Crush for my multiverse explanations.
Heck yeah, Pavel T!
love this theory it’s amazing
Ive been watching this channel for years now and more than once the theories you guys come with for future projects are way cooler than what the writers end up doing.
amazing
Also, great video. 👍🏼
1) That Victor getting spaghetti-ed creates the multiple Kangs: I agree.
2) That Loki is going to be spaghetti-ed again. I agree.
3) That each of his friends in the TVA visit their life per the trailer - YES. AND THIS IS LOKI’s MOTIVATION. See he loves Mobius, Casey, B-15, and Slyvie. If he can put them into happy timelines and keep them safe, he will do it. Thus, he will lose again.
Not mentioned by you yet but I think it KEY: When Mobius & Loki enter Victor Timely’s childhood, the year is specified but NOT ‘Sacred’ or ‘Branched’. That’s the Nexus moment - not the book. Somehow we go back to that.
Keen observation. Nicely done.
I think you're right about the Nexus point
For #3, how does Loki go about that goal? And it seems aligned with what Sylvie would want.
Got my Variant zip up hoodie yesterday!🎉❤
11:06 I think it’s so cool that the Citadel is on top! 😃
On point
Amazing season !!
Nice video
I LOVE this show! So many thought experiments
This season is amazing
I’m glad someone understands all this
Ryan, one thing you haven't mentioned yet and I thought to bring it up. if we compare the MCU to the comics - 616 to 199999, Kang always was and always is a variant of another. the original Kang the Conqueror came from Earth-6311 and so does all his incarnations - Rama-Tut, Scarlet Centurion, Immortus, Iron Lad, and Mister Gryphon all started as Nathaniel Richards from Earth-6311, when he himself he's a variant of Nathaniel Richards who is a time traveller and the father of Reed Richards in Earth-616. so my theory is that this Kang, much like his comics counterpart took the control over the sacred timeline\main universe out of spite, he doesn't belong there from the first place, he's irrelevant to the sacred timeline. the loop can be broken because it's not supposed to happen and time will correct itself.
Damn this was educational!!!
AHHHH! Not this channel having a cut of my Favorite Lost episode explaining this mumbo jumbo. Loved that Charlie was in another world lol
Love that you referenced Lost in this video. I see lots of parallels. Alioth =smoke monster?
This sort of makes sense, am interested to see how this all plays out especially in the next few movies. Definitely didnt think Kang died at the end of Quantumania so seems like he will have a huge role heading into Secret Wars. As Marvel does have a history of changing comic storylines so as not to be too predicable, maybe Kang will be the movie version of The Beyonder? could see that happening
ScreenCrush are the 🐐
_"He is the Kang who knocks."_
*_"You're god damn right!!!"_*
🤣🤣😂😂 Maaan this is so well-produced!
I just watched the Loki midseason trailer and OMG!!! 😄
Doug is the main reason why I watch these videos.
You spent alot of time on this. And it's great. And it would be a fantastic way to get rid of the multiverse, by stopping the time loop.
I rewinded this video so many times lol
Thank you for clearing that up, I think I understand everything now.
For a while I thought timelines and universes were interchangeable, ‘What If…?’ made me think that was the case. But after some contemplation and watching your video, I’m leaning more into the theory that each universe has it’s own unique timeline or- at the very least- a bundle of timelines that run parallel to each other. Compound changes or significant watershed events can lead to divergences at various points in these timelines, hence the creation of branches. One thing I want to add is that, timeline branching is a spontaneous phenomenon, if the laws of entropy are to be followed. But the MCU/Sacred Timeline uniquely had minimal or no branching, thanks to the actions of He Who Remains.
As far I can see, timelines are not alternate universes. It’s the reason why we have different versions of Peter Parker that look nothing like each other and why there is an animated universe or one that is made entirely of paint 😂.
lol love that guitar drop for the intro!!
Dope hypothesis!
I’m getting Doug’s shirt!!! 😭😭 too freaking cute
This sounds fun. I have no idea how they could tell this story in the movies… you need to know so much and in so much detail.
I LOVE SCREENCRUSH🥺🥺🥺
I like the new opening music
Maybe the Loki who came back after Sylvie killed Kang is not the same variant who was with Sylvie and Kang.
I love watching this channel and everything but it’s kind of crazy that it takes this level of explanation just to understand what’s going on. That speaks more to the incompetence at Marvel than anything.
Excellent job all of yall. No one explains this quite like OUR channel. Thank you again Screen Crush
Excellent use of the Deadpool clip. I still watch that movie and its sequel once a year.
Marvel needs to do something with kang.
Loki season 1 - kang is killed
Antman 3 - kang is beaten by ant and killed
Loki season 2 - kang shredded into pasta.
Is kang the big bad or marvels version of kenny from south park
Kang was beaten by the wasp in antman 3.
Ultimately he shouldn't be the big bad, that should be the Beyonder or a trio of Beyonders, or more but Disney doesn't know what they're doing anymore.
@@jasonstrickland9245 after endgame, marvel studio should have changed strategy, instead of doing long form arc thrue multiple phases, they should have made story arc last only one phase.
The movies+the Disney shows allow them to tell the story in only one phase.
PHASE 4 :the filler phase, this phase doesn't have a overarching story but would rather deal with the repercussion of the snap/blip has on the world (emotionally, phisically, politically).
Phase 5 :the Secret invasion storyarc
Phase 6 : the multiverse story arc
14:52 😭😭😭 I’m traumatized, I just knew you were gonna say, “Your mom.” Lmaooo
i feel like the past being changed this season only works bc it’s in the TVA.. it was always said the TVA was outside of the sacred timeline and now that kang has been killed there is mobility between points in time in the TVA (like traditional time travel logic) unlike on the sacred timeline where branches are formed where changes are made (the MCU time travel logic weve gotten to know)
I'm so pleasantly surprised how ScreenCrush actually understands and can simply explain what's going on with Kang and the whole timeline/ time travel stuff of the MCU. Even more, how most of it is VERY faithful to the comics.
I'm seeing so many bad takes from here on CZcams and even worse ones from braindead bird app users. It's nice to know there are actual other MCU fans out there that get it.
I'm sold on the theory :)
Wow.... that was a LOT
Where’d the original ScreenCrush opening music go?
You make an excellent point. Victor timely is he who remains. He said in the season finale of season one, the a variant of himself was born sometime in the 31st century.
Let's gooo
My head hurts ! But I love it
In Loki series season 2 episode 4 when they turned the code off so the variants could use their powers and magic. I wonder what else was going on inside the TVA and if there was mutants in there using their powers and magic to escape the TVA. Also does that mean the infinity stones will work now in the TVA?
As long as the dampeners are off, yes. Next question is whether the reboot necessarily turned them on, or is it a Jurassic Park moment where the dampeners will stay off until capacitors are charged, which allow them to be turned on.
Infinity Stone aren't considered magic, more like natural energy of the universe put into small packages. But they would only work in the universe they are originally from. Learned that in "What If" if I recall correctly
Thanks for this video, it explains a lot. I think I'm no longer confused... 616?
Now you make us wanna revisit Quantamania
Doug is so funny 😂
Ok, before I read anymore. I like this theory; that added to your other video (future to this one) make sense. To add if Renslayer is in the void then this is when she and Kang meet. So her becoming whom she need to be also happens at this point. All things written by "he who remains". Awesome!!!
Time loops, paradoxes, Causality, the multiverse, etc it's actually really easy to understand. I have been loving the hell out of this Loki show.
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I think Loki can change the past in the TVA because time works differently in there. Also, the TVA is literally floating on a space outside of the time streams, so it make sense that place has different physical properties
Loki Season 2 is a blast 😊
@4:09 He Who Remains changed the loop. It had started another way. By Victor and OB working together in the past. Now He Who Remains altered the Timeline. By changing Victor Timely makes it easier to win again. Master plan.
Good theory
Lol...mid-season trailer is bonkers!! We're in Edge of Tomorrow territory and I'm all in
We need the Episode 5 breakdown!!!
10:50 He isolated the sacred timeline
reminds me of the central finite curve of Rick
13:00 Kane Tut got the same scars