Avengers Endgame: Why THANOS Was Right (And Was Actually Trying to Stop KANG) Secret Plan EXPLAINED
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When you go back and look at the Marvel Cinematic Universe's first 3 phases, one thing is obvious: Thanos was trying to prevent Kang from starting another massive multiversal war. In this video we explain his true origin story, why he kept his real plan a secret, and how the Mad Titan was really just misunderstood.
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I like those videos about you explaining how that villans was right all along
You loved your own comment. Lol
Aww that's sweet ryan likes his own commnets 😂
can we have a all what if episodes plot holes explained
The thing Thanos says at 1:00 is total bulls**t; the Nova Corps says that Gamora is the last of her kind, so when Thanos wiped out half her world, the rest fell to infighting, crime, and natural disaster, you know, the thing which would have happened to Earth if the Avengers (and also Ronin) hadn't stepped in.
His “You’re not the only one cursed with knowledge” to Tony Stark makes a lot more sense now
That was my first thought too.
dang! u right!
@Tom Hardy’s Venom is in Spider-Man: No Way Home Thanos reference the other "one" to Kang..
It could be part of that line, but I took it as Thanos referencing the fact he knew he had to kill 50% of life in the universe to save it. He did not want to do it, but because of the knowledge he gained, he felt he HAD to do it, regardless of Kang.
Especially with the celestials having a egg inside of earth that if hatched will destroy earth & him being of celestial decent 🧐 he could be implying that him being cursed with knowledge is knowing that or maybe I’m reaching
I wonder how many times Marvel "confirmed" a major theory like this one when in reality they were looking at fan theories and taking them to fix their messy plot holes lol
all of them lol
Haha I totally did that on purpose.. *in my Thor voice
Hey myth making takes a village
This
Thats the best way to go
I thought him trying to stop the celestials emerging was a pretty good theory too.
I believe this is a better theory because they were more dangerous and Thanos plan actually delayed the celestials from emerging
Allen Pruitt plus thanos is a confirmed eternal so it makes more sense. Star Fox appeared in eternals end credit scene and said he was an eternal and also said he was thanos’ brother meaning thanos was an eternal too. In one of the movies someone pointed out a line where thanos was called A’lars son and A’lars is a first generation eternal so
@@maggie1000 idk. My brother is black but I'm not
@@novaclank7401, Thanos’ title is Mad Titan Eternal.
Novaclank ok ? and ?
this video revitalized my excitement for marvels future. changed my perspective on thanos. crazy to think avengers were trying to save their universe, but thanos was trying to save the multiverse. the theory of thanos having cosmic awareness has to be true because he knew about the multiverse while the avengers were stuck fixated on their universe (for good reasons). what if thanos reasoned with the avengers...you know what he couldent because like you said you cant really talk about the multiverse or it will give people ideas to mess with it and cause incursions.
Well, IDK about protecting the multiverse. Because the multimeter at that point wasn't actually a multiverse with alternate universes getting pruned left and right.
And that would have left the multiverse in more danger from the Beyonders. Since there would be less universes to take over and explode. Thus lessening the chance that a molecular man would turn on its creator and hunt the others.
the video is absurd madness so if it changed anyone's "perspective" on anything, you're just an idiot. if you thought for half a second you'd know that/
obviously thanos wasnt trying to save the multiverse. hes an egotistical psychopath who only cared about murdering people for no good reason
o.o
Thanos couldn’t say anything about the multiverse because anything significant enough to create a nexus event would cause the entire timeline to be pruned. Thanos would never win no matter what, if he did something that would cause him to win then the timeline would be pruned.
If there was one He could have reasoned with it would have been dr strange. As arrogant and narcissistic he comes off he can understand the multiverse and needing to save it over the universe
I would definitely love a future in the MCU where they have to “snap” Thanos back to get his help against Kang
That would be sick honestly 🤔🤝🔥
Trust me Thanos will be back on the big screen as a hero.
@@iamlegend0000 this just gets me hyped, I definitely want to see more mcu thanos in the future
But the infinity stones have their limits and I’m pretty sure that getting dusted is different from getting your head chopped off same as getting dusted is different from dying from the power stone
@@Hamzurger yes, but actually no, go watch what if and so some research and my response will make further sense if ur uneducated about the marvel
Great theory. This would also explain why Thanos used the Time Stone so sparingly. He knew messing with the fabric of time too much could lead to unwanted results. Also, the way that Ant Man came back from the quantum realm by way of a rat “accidentally” stepping on the right buttons in correct sequence was so ridiculously convenient it could have only been orchestrated by some type of higher being (i.e. He Who Remains)
ah but the Time gem works differently, as explained in an earlier video (one of the Loki ones, I forget which). It can move time back and forward, like a videotape, but it can't change anything. At least nothing that would cause a branch. Hence why Corrupted Strange in WHat if couldn't "save his heart". Her death was an anchor point.
Tho it's possible Thanos was unaware of this.
The Time Stone has consistently been shown to be slower than the other Stones, hence why Strange couldn't use it in active combat against Thanos (note I say active combat; he *definitely* used it to beat Thanos), although I don't dispute what you say about tampering with the fabric of time.
@@dipperdandy It definitely can be used to change things. Just watch the doctor strange movie where he unwinds all Dormamu's destruction in New York and brings people back to life.
@@dipperdandy Thanos certainly changed Vision’s outcome when he brought him back alive and ripped the mind stone out of his head. But even before he arrived in Wakanda, he could have just sat down somewhere like Dr. Strange did and reviewed multiple options to avoiding an axe to the chest. He had all the time in the world (literally), but he never used it much up until the snap.
@@LyrixNChill Yes but as said in the Loki series by the TVA, that was meant to happen.
The key line of thanos that makes me think that he not only knew about kang was his line “I am inevitable”. Even if the avengers stopped him on 1 time line, there are countless timelines were he succeeds regardless.
Wrong. He is beaten every time, as Multiverse of Madness showed.
I mean this is a plausible reason because even Loki, the first villain of the Avengers who terrorized New York, found himself terrified and on his knee at the end of his series after finding out Kang's Existence. So, that makes Thanos justified in grand scheme of things to prevent further universal turmoil because imagine if the Avengers finds out about Kang and how would they react after they killed Thanos when in fact he was the only solution.
Also remember when nebula was showing what her other self was going through, she told thanos that she was no traitor and that that wasn’t her. Thanos replied saying "I know" so that makes this theory correct because thanos knew that wasn’t nebula, at least not from his universe
How did Thanos know by connecting the infinity stones together he would be able to snap all existence into half?
This knowledge has to be sacred or something
@@mightyzionites3033 Maybe Kang told him 🤓
Bruh 1 % pop growth would be cut down to at least 0.5% which increases the numbers slightly include the war forresources which could be a litte disorder for reproduction…
@@BresKos Plus all the collateral damage caused by people suddenly disappearing. For example all the sudden car accidents, planes crashing, nuclear power plants melting down… Mortality rate would most likely rise as well do to the disruption. Such as access to medical care and pharmaceuticals
In addition, what if by blind chance a higher percentage of women get snapped than men. I’d assume that would affect population growth.
@@BresKos that's not how percentages work lol
"you are not the only one cursed with knowledge"
Maybe this is part of why Thanos dropped that line. He is cursed with knowing of the multiverse war, etc.
This makes a great sense👍
Or you could like not ruin the thanos plot in movie for us aussies that can’t watch it in lockdown 😭😭
Maybe thats why he chilled on the farm he knew what was coming and he knew that they would need to bring him back needing his help
@@doubletapsoza Ruin what lmao infinity war came out in 2018 dude
@@brwntwn123 y’all gotta watch eternals lol
This would also make sense as to why Kang said he allows the timeline where Thanos blips 50% of everything and eventually gets beaten by the Avengers
I think it's more likely that a Celestial Emergence is what destroyed Titan, since Thanos is an Eternal in the MCU.
Gravity still doesnt work like that
A lot of people don't realize the true downfall of Thanos plan in the movie was he kept his word. Thanos has never been known to be a liar if you remember any conversations about him from Nebula, or the conversation between him and Gamora. When Strange asked him to spare Starks life, even though the snap was supposed to be set at random he kept Tony out the loop. I think that Strange knew that about him, and out of all the realities/ possibilities Tony had that one chance. Great movie ..but the comic had a way better storyline. Even though there are a couple elements I didn't like about the movie The Silver Surfer had the Hulk standing in for him and missed a great way to introduce Adam Warlock, plus that version of The Incredible Hulk from planet Sakarr would have given Thanos a run for his money, a much smarter, and stronger version of The Hulk. Fun Fact for those who don't read comics those trapped sacrificed to the Soul Stone aren't really dead but trapped in another dimension/soulverse/pocketdimension. Adam Warlock, and Silver Surfer got out if I remember correctly.
Marvel is the great ball dropper. Whoever writes the storylines does not pay attention to comic details. Endgame you kill Thanos twice was the worst thing ever. I don't which rights they have and don't have but they are hurting these movies for the quick buck
Everything that happened in the MCU is because both Uatu & Arishem want it to happened.
Yup as well as classic Drax the destroyer indeed!
My guess is that Adam Warlock in the Guardians of the galaxy 3 will enter the soul stone dimension and bring back Gamora for Peter
Great comment🤝
The writers at Disney should REALLY listen to you. These are VERY compelling theories. And WHO CARES if people 'see it coming,' a Good story, is a GOOD STORY. Especially if it ties the threads.
Maybe they might be watching out at these kind of several theories and act and work accordingly and if in their theories they have flaws they’ll grab some of these ones out and work on them accordingly.
Disney only bought them it’s marvel that still writes the movies and shows from my understanding
@@TruuColorZ Indeed, if Disney wrote the movies we would hate the MCU. Look at Star Wars, the new trilogy doesn't even represent Star Wars.
This theory is nice and all but the eternals theory with thanos makes much more sense. Thanos is an eternal and also has deviant syndrome. *SPOILER ALERT IF YOU WANNA WATCH* but eternals were placed on planets that had a celestial being and when that being emerged it would destroy the planet. As an eternal thanos knew this was going to happen so he snapped half the population. The celestial beings in the planets feed on energy from human growth so this one makes a lot more sense
@@maggie1000 this one makes more sense then what you just said. He’s not an eternal did he try to save everyone yes but that theory makes no sense at all lol
Thanos, the Hero We didn't Deserve. *REST IN POWER.*
Heroes never die
For the Mad Titan 🕊
He not a hero u fools' that video is lies.
Wooooow dude you're brilliant, your theories have some serious depth. I have been looking for this type of content for a while
Interesting theory, but the rationale for the snap is weak. If the snap was truly random, then it would be an ineffective strategy to take out an ancestor of Kang, as there would be a multitude of variant universes where all of Kang's ancestors survived the Snap. Thanos spent far too much time and effort gathering the stones to use them for such a scattershot tactic, especially since he could presumably use the power of the stones to actually identify Kang's ancestors and hunt them down more surgically.
You got no reply’s but this is one of the best comments I’ve seen
Finally someone with sense. Enough said
Agreed - especially since the snaps supposedly work like "a wish" - Thanos could've just wished away any one of Kang's ancestors, then he wouldn't have been born
Spot on. In fact he probably only needed the time, space and soul stones to snuff out Kang.
I like this theory but you're right that this is a big gaping hole in that theory.
A lot of people liked Thanos, and I can see it being a huge success if they brought him back into the MCU as an ally against Kang. They even teased this in the What If series where he was friendlier. Maybe just to see how the audience would react? The only question I want answered is… Tony? Both were linked as characters who could see the future by observing how current events could unfold. If Thanos’s plan was deceptive, Tony would have worked it out. Are we going to get some big reveal that he laid out a plan that would stop multiversal threats before giving up his life?
Yooooo i just made a video talking about tony on my channel...i have a theory that he actually might come back in no way home
What if he came back to be an ally against Kang, but since Kang knows time travel and has many variants and keeps coming back, and eventually finds a way to defeat Thanos (or at least stalemate him to the point where they call a truce) and Doctor Doom becomes the REAL big bad and kills Thanos and defeats Kang, just like he did in the comics. That would be pretty bad ass.
And then Hulk and Thanos work together this time
@@GoObEr765 tony stark did say he was done playing iron man
@@bryceyy3235 that variant of tony stark said that...if you havent seen loki and venom 2 then i suggest you watch it...matter of fact there are variants of past enemies in no way home so thats why i said tony could return just a different variant
what a video, really impressed about how well this theory sounds, thanks for all the effort in making this video
I see it as a “two birds with one stone” kind of thing. It would mean that after the war on Titan ravaged he also found some evidence of Celestials being born & thus found that removing half of the universe would both stop the war & stop the birth of more Celestials.
which makes no sense and proves thanos a braindead idiot.
first, celestials are already checking all life and maintaining universal balance. if thanos knew about them he'd agree with them and help destroy Earth for the sake of the rest of the universe. he would be eager to make sure a few planets get sacrificed so millions more cna be born.
this exact reason is why not every Eternal was willing to go along with saving the Earth. they didnt think it was fair or moral that they should save Earth while simultaneously dooming millions of new species from ever potentially being born.
everything we know about thanos as a character shows he would agree with the Celestials methods. and even if he didnt, he never actually did anything to stop them.
his plan doesnt stop anything, just slightly delays it. the Earth will repopulate to its original levels within about 100 years or so, which is the blink of an eye in the lifespan of a celestial. this is like pissing your pants to keep warm and calling it a solution. it isnt.
if this is truly his motive then it REALLY makes no sense that he would destroy the Stones, call his work "finished" and that keeping them around was temptation. temptation to do what exactly?
for thanos plan to make any sense, he shouild have kept the stones around and periodically snap the populations awya to keep them low.
Theory: In the T’Challa being Star-Lord universe, T’Challa found out about Thanos and his true plan, and he decided to help him stop the war eventually, this is why it was so easy to persuade him and why T’Challa was chosen by The Watcher
Not bad 🤔
@@rodneybeckstedt6032 Thanks! I think it really helps resolve one of people’s biggest problems with What If?
Wokes lol
@@TheKumarImpressions ?
That’s actually an interesting thought
*Some guy at Marvel, furiously jotting this down*
“Man, we keep giving them plot holes, they just keep filling em.”
Great theory, love the video. I think Thanos was also trying to stop the eternals from destroying other planets on top of trying to stop cane. Having the Infinity gauntlet was his way of killing two birds with one stone.
which is of course insane. considering thanos wouild be killing billions to save millions and doing far far more damage than hes preventing
1. that wouldnt prevent shit. it woudl only slightly delay the emergence by 50 years
2. if thanos knew about the celestials, he would agree with them and let earth die
3. the celestials destory a couple of planets so that thye can go on to create new planets and stars. that is the very reason why not every eternal was willing to go along with stopping it, because they didnt think it was fair to save humanity at the expense of billions of potential new species.
Celestials eventually create galaxies so it wouldnt make sense
He was trying to stop Galactus
Thanos is what I like to call the “Snoopdog” of the Marvel universe- he knows at lot, a HELL OF A LOT of things that have happened to shape our time- just because one dosent speak on it, does not in any way mean they don’t have far more knowledge than we think.
why snoopdog?
Thanos plan didn't need to make sense to us, only to himself. This is why he's called the Mad Titan, he's so convinced that he's right especially after watching his people die after not listening to him that nothing anyone says will ever sway him.
Gamora: You don't know that!
Thanos: I'm the ONLY one who knows that.
No one will ever convince him otherwise.
Man this reminds of Professor Snape from the Harry Potter franchise. At first everyone thought of him a bad person doing what he's doing because he enjoys it, but in actuality it's the complete and utter opposite.
I always thought he was a very misunderstood character but everyone I tried to convince back in the day thought I was nuts.
Well, Snape did enjoy bullying Harry, Neville and the other non-Slytherins.
@@abraham2172 he’s not ‘enjoying it’, but merely an act to convince he’s one of slytherin supporter. Voldemort always watches him, but he is the one who can deceive the dark lord
@@kevinchandra1601 he did enjoy getting back at griffindor the house of James and Sirius
However majority of it was an act since Snape was a real griffindor who could even pull the sword out the sorting hat.
But even him did not know it
A teacher who's a bully is bad, but not in the slightest as bad as a genocidal freak. Snape never attempted murder. A Voldemort/Grindelwald-Thanos comparison would make much more sense (and it does).
Man, I really hope someone at Marvel watches these analysis videos because I'd be so down to see some of this stuff work out
Imagine Thanos fighting an army of other Thanos.
I would pay good money to see that!
@@nathanlawson313 relax
Impossible, they would kill each other coz no thanos can take orders esp from other Thanos.......narcissist
that would be crazy and nasty at the same time xd
100%thanos will win
Alternatively...
Let's say you're right about Thanos knowing about the Multiversal war. Let's also say the theories that Kang's tem pads are based on the tech the Avengers used to travel through time are also right. In that case, it's possible that Thanos was making sure those devices were invented, because it's likely that whichever universe figured out time travel first would end up winning the Multiversal war. So he was ensuring the avengers had a reason to create the tech. This also feeds into how he seemed to know and fear/respect Tony Stark.
Interest theory. They say necessity is the mother of invention, doesn’t matter if that necessity is fabricated by someone trying to ensure their universe prevails
Thattttt why he said you Have my respects doc. He had a hidden plan all along. And knew the end results of his position
Kinda makes sense
watching videos like this makes me realize that these movies are not "JUST MOVIES". Like they're so complex and with so many hidden meanings. I'm shooketh and even more in love with MCU!!
Lol this is freakishly on point to my theory as well! Glad I came across this video😊
I’ll throw out this theory, what if in the attempt to stop the multiverse war he actually started it all. When the avengers went back in time to collect the time stones, they started the branching and birth of the multiverse. It goes back to what the ancient one said about the removal of the stones and the branching of the time line and the warning Tony gave of when you mess with time, time mess back. And it could be explain why the TVA did not interfere with the avengers meddling with the time stream, as it was all part of the plan to have The Loki varrient created and the female Loki to kill he who remains. Maybe there was a secret Kang in the background pulling the strings and orchestrating this.
Plus if Thanos' snapping away half the universe was such a big problem why not manipulate the timeline for him to loose.
ah, the good old "casual loop/predestination theory". Time travel is fun/confusing!
It is Kangs all the way down.
Kinda thought the same. I think Kang could never figure out how to prevent the Scarlet Witch from appearing. His solution is to give Renslayer the necessary information to relay to his future self (variant one). This could very well be how his future self gains information about Aliath (spell?) and how to control the beast. Everyone will still need to go through the multiverse war, but he stacks the deck, so to speak, so that he is the variant that continues to win the war and set the "Sacred Timeline" - which is actually sacred to him. The multiverse springs into existence, and continues to exist until he, "reincarnated" in the future, ends the multiverse war and starts the Sacred Timeline all over again, ending up, like he says, "right back here again" - but younger, or both older and younger, or....younger with "ancient knowledge", or.....
Just as Vision passed memories "White Vision" (himself), Kang uses Renslayer to take his device containing all that knowledge he has to his future self. As the Memory Vision and White Vision discuss about the ship (forget name) during their fight, what makes a person? The answer is the memories and knowledge of that person - or basically their consciousness, not their body - Kang's is all contained in his device / wrist device (forget name of it). Kang could also be seen manipulating Sylvie and Loki to not trust each other, and starting their duel. If he did not want them to kill him and actually take over the TVA, why not strengthen their partnership rather than plant seeds of distrust in their minds? Unless he already knew that Sylvie and Loki did not work, but as Loki said, why would Kang want to give up all that power?
Hi h you 6
"Thanos was a lot of things but he was not a liar."
There, I said it. Theory disapproved.
Unless he was lying...
It would be stupidity if he told the Avengers about the Multiverse
There’s a difference between lying and not telling someone something
He never said he wasn’t a liar he just said he never taught gamora to lie that’s why she’s so bad at it
@@Krowkage "My father is many things but he is not a liar."
~~Nebula
Thanos last line could be even more evidence "I am inevitable" because of what he knows of the timelines, what must happen, and how he must be a part of it ..maybe even be part of it ... AGAIN
THANK YOU
THANK YOU
THANK YOU
for making this video!
Yo thanos was such an amazing villian. Not many villians make you understand their goal/cause as much as him. Which makes choosing a side very hard. Most villians are just bent on destruction bc of "hatred" or trying to rid the world of "weakness". I just appreciate how thanos actually makes sense and isnt some recycled super strengthed giant
Dumbplan and no...he just want to rule!
He is villian.
Point.
Dont get me wrong,i am villian like....but this half Population thing i said years agoe that 70 years later its the same....why not infinite resources?
This is a really good theory. There are problems with it (matunos has a good critique), but it's better than the idea the movie gave. But it also drives home two things that _are_ canon but which neither fans nor writers have really grasped. First, Thanos's threat to destroy the entire universe. Second, the TVA routinely pruning timelines. _Those are not two different things._ Every time the TVA prunes a timeline, they're destroying an entire copy of the universe, including everyone in it. You might say that those people don't count because they are variants of people in the main timeline, but the Thanos who fought the Avengers after the Time Heist wasn't native to the main MCU timeline either. As far as he was concerned, he was from the main timeline and _they_ were the variants.
Assuming he won the battle, he would presumably have reinstated the Snap, then returned to his own timeline and continued as before. But given the headache of trying to make sure that this other timeline's Snap remained in place, Thanos instead decided to just prune that whole timeline, then return to his own timeline to focus on creating his own future. It's a very different way of interpreting what seemed at the time like a very clear, straightforward speech.
The writers certainly understood that Young Thano was a threat to destroying the universe. Mature Thanos was clearly effected by the long quest and saw himself as a humble servant of the greater good of the universe. Then in Endgame it is clear that the instant gratification opportunity went to Young Thanos's head and he really perceived himself as destined to become a god-ruler. He Who Remains no doubt understood this. He has print outs of everything anyone has ever said aloud and knew exactly what to say to stir infighting between Loki and Silvie's different psychological values.
o.o
This breakdown is amazing!! I suddenly feel the urge to watch every single marvel movie from the beginning
Did not expect this! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I feel like some of the theory falls apart when, what I recently found out is that Kang himself has admitted to be afraid of Thanos and avoids him in all time lines. But I do agree that thanos is aware of the Multiverse, or Maybe this strengthens your theory...
MCU kang? Or comic kang? Big difference
@@Loganbub it was comic Kang, tho the difference it makes is a bit negligible, since even if the Characters don't act wholly in accordance to their comic counterparts, I do believe screen crush bases some parts of their theories based on comic passages as well.
Of course that makes a difference, Thanos is way powered down in the MCU.
@@RobMost You sure about that? Comics Thanos uses a human made helicopter to get places. "Thanos-Copter"
This is so fascinating thanks so much for all the effort you put into this
You’re amazing man!
Okay you had me sold on this theory as soon as you started going over the inconsistencies of the quantum realm, because that's been bugging me for a long time and this actually makes sense.
This makes so much sense. to me it was always weird why did tva let avengers go this explains it amazing rayan 👍
It explains it. They say Thanos was supposed to snap and they were supposed to take the Infinity Gems from the other timeline and put them back. This is a weak fan theory
@@psrabe7444 just fixed events
I assumed it was because he needed toby stark to create time travel via the quantum realm so he could one day rediscover it to form the TVA and set it up in the quantum realm.
@@fantasticjack10 exactly. Also, Thanos could probably stop Immortus and Kang if he was around. Especially because Thanos easily solved time travel pretty quickly on his own during End Game.
@@psrabe7444 Maybe Kang was tired and took his chances to stop trying to prune timelines and let the avengers use their 1 out of 14,000,605 chances to win against thanos and eventually Immortus with the help of the eternals and harry styles.
At this rate, I won’t be surprised of a “Why Malekith was Right” video
😂
That’s the most intricate video I’ve seen in a while. Nice!
Smoothest ad transition ever. I'm impressed.
This theory could help support the line, something like, "I know what it's like to lose, turns your legs to jelly." Etc. If he witnessed losing the multiversal war, that would be a significant jelly moment. If not this, what else in his life could he classify as such a major loss?
Amazing perspective Ryan, I would love to see some of this get unfolded through the mcu, just like you see it. It makes sense where phase 4 can follow 3. I kinda felt the TVA, was going to make what happened in phase 3 meaningless, but, this! Thank you. 👏 👏
Ryan sir, you are actually blowing my mind right now and I’m only half way through the video, sir.
Man, Ryan can take an idea I laugh at and by the end of the video have me convinced. Well done once again, sir.
Excellent theory video as always the only past I would contest is the part about how thanos wasn’t surprised when he seen another nebula because when ebony maw told him there was in fact another nebula there he said “impossible”. So he did in fact seem surprised by the fact there were 2 nebulas. Now he very quickly adjusted to that (because movie stuff lol) but yeah he certainly seemed surprised at first.
Thanos could have just created an entire reality where there was no Kang, and then gave everyone double the resources.
yes but then greed still sets in some ppl orr cosmic villain would still want more
Thanos could not have done that. The infinity stones only operate in the universe they were created in. Kang is a master of time travel and exists across infinite timelines. If Thanos recreated the universe, it would either be later corrected by a variant of Kang, or at some point, corrected by time itself, with the birth of Kang at any point in this “new” universe.
@Tom Hardy’s Venom is in Spider-Man: No Way Home The infinity stones used in Avenger's Endgame were from the same universe, just a new timeline created by traveling back through time.
@@hannahgambino3884 I thought the Infinity Stones only worked in their own universe too. Then we saw Ultron use their power in multiple universes during the fight with Uatu in What If...?
@@pjpless2 I think you just answer the question. “What if”.
your videos never disappoint
That was a smooth segway lol... had me hooked
Some of the villans who were more right than heroes
Thanos , zemo , joker , magneto and killmonger
Joker? Please do explain
Well killmonger yeah he was right and he was wring at the same time because yes he is right and even t'challa knew he was right and killmonger won but not in the same way he wanted and if you watch what if episode 6 , spoler alert but you should know that the way way he wanted to be succesful was wrog but his intentions were right
@@TheSpoegefugl go watch the joker movie you will understand
@@justinpelletier2483 I have and I don't
@@TheSpoegefuglwhat do you mean i have and i dont ? also spoiler alert i am going to explain how he was broken the problem is the joker(arthur fleck) believed that his father was mr wayne and he was depressed and couldnt have money to have pills to cure his depression which caused him to become mentally crazy and he had an imaginary girlfriend all of those times until he realised and all he wanted to do was to making people in gotham happy but everyone bullied him for being a clown and making kids laugh and he was tired and he discovered that his mother was crazy all along and lied to him and he wanted people to stop batman s father because mr wayne was arrogant and was doing everything for himself and didnt cared about gotham except himself and for the DCEU joker well there is a theory from film theorists that he is robin and that he was brainwashed but he is not jason todd as this was debunked so its probably tim drake because there is an easter egg that shows dick grayson s grave at the cimetry but zack snyder confirmed robin was dick grayson but its confusing and the joker from the dark knight , he watched his mom being killed and his father who killed his mother said lets put a smile on your face and created a smile with the knife but the 1989 joker i think he is evil 100/100
If Thanos is a veteran of the multiversal war, and then he said he knew Tony when they were fighting on Titan, maybe that means another version of Tony (maybe even multiple versions) fought in the multiversal war alongside Thanos :o
Tony did kill Kang like three times but Tony destroyed Thanos army giving to Loki so that how Thanos knew.
he knew tony because of ultron.
Smooth plug!
Well done Ryan! I like the sensibility of this theory! I wonder though how does the eternal stuff fits into all this …or doesn’t 🙏🏻😜
Interesting theory and it would blow my mind if the MCU retconned his story to something similar to this theory. Cool to see so many people re-analyzing Thanos’ motives, especially after Eternals talks about the snap delaying the emergence.
amazing vid it makes a lot of sense
The mark of a bad fan theory destroys the motivations and events in other aspects of the story. Same reason that bad retconning is bad. In Loki, it's explained clearly that Thanos was supposed to do the snap and the Avengers were supposed to bring everyone back but Loki was not supposed to get away using the tesseract. If He Who Remains meant for Thanos to succeed and alt Thanos to lose then Thanos is inconsequential to the end of time. If Thanos was there for the multiverse war, he understood it was no longer a threat. If he was actually motivated by stopping another universal war he would have just beefed up the MCU universes defenses are maintained control of the infinity gauntlet to fight off other universes. At the end of End Game Thanos explains pretty clearly that he expected hthe surviving half of the universe to accept their new fate and do better. Losing their loved ones would be a reminder of what overpopulation leads to. No. Thanos was the mad titan. He is driven by evil. He is controlled largely by his Deviant dna.
If you can think of the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe as one long ongoing saga story, that leaves room for the notion that things are not always what they seem at the end of one movie and hidden motivations can be fleshed out in other “chapter” movies. The entire Loki and What-If series showed how easily “why and how we think things work” can be destroyed and for every event there are multiple other versions of that event occurring that we are not privy to (basically… writers can write whatever they want and chalk it up to this new multi-dimensional paradigm). All that to say, this fan theory is quite plausible.
In the Loki series, I strongly got the impression that in the bigger picture, yes - All of Thanos’ shenanigans and Avengers attempts to thwart them were inconsequential to He Who Remains. A big deal to us but par status quo to “Kind Kang” as I call him. Also, just because Thanos participated in a multiverse invasion doesn’t mean he understood why or how it was started or just how deep the rabbit hole went. He could have very well been one foot soldier in a cosmic showdown that left him with the worst case of PTSD the universe has seen. His plan to “cut out half the cancer” was possibly just him boxing with the shadows to make peace with what he thought he knew. At the end of End Game, I always felt his excuse/motivation for why he did what he did (to spank the Universe into doing better from now on) was super flimsy. Actually, it was stupid. Too stupid to come from Thanos (or the Marvel Universe writers by extension). Thanos’ “grand scheme” would be undone in less than a dozen generations simply with the passage of time and the new living forgetting about the dead dust. I feel the writers of Avengers went to great lengths in the script to show us that Thanos was not just evil or driven solely by crazy, but had a clear purpose and rationalized agenda. However, in contrast, the reasons Thanos kept giving for his personal crusade never sat well with me… All this pedigree and nuance of a character only to be motivated by a dopey, short-sighted idea - that killing half of life will save the other half for all time…. Before this Screencrush theory, I had settled on thinking Thanos was secretly driven by vengeful desperation for being scorned by Death and this was his offering. Even that theory however doesn’t entirely fit with how Thanos was behaving in Infinity Wars/End Game. This ScreenCrush theory is much better (although way more convoluted thanks to the Loki series and What-Ifs)
Damn, you had to ruin your entire comment with that final remark about it being largely because of "his Deviant dna".
Agreed. Besides, the writers of Endgame probably had little idea at the time of ehat could happen with He who remains and Kang
@@LyrixNChill The pedigree and nuance was created by Jim Starlin who didn't write the movies. The good aspects are taken from the comics and the stuff that makes sense is added in orginally for the movie. With that said, Thanos has always been a walking contridiction in the comics. He is ultra intellegent but does dumb stuff for love. He has mostly been written as pure evil, the pure embodiment of death and in the comics he was written as being fated to always pursue the maximum amount of death possible. Really, it's actually just poorly written. Thanos with the gauntlet has the ability to time travel and understands how to use it but somehow doesn't feel the need to use it to explore time to pursue his goals. Think about that for a second. If Thanos did have cosmic awareness and the ability to time travel, why would he then still snap his fingers and then destroy the stones? He could have gone forward in time to see if his plan worked first.
That was a smooth ass transition to that ad my boy.
I don’t know if this is the right interpretation but I certainly hope it is…it would be so cool to see. I also want Kang to show up and plant the mouse into the garage so it could run over the board and bring lang back from the quantum realm
This is so good and makes thanos soo much better as a character
This makes sense as to why he said what he said about Tony Stark.
Tony Stark: You know me?
Thanos: I do
I hope they remember you.
It all makes sense.
This is one your best theories
That was the smoothest transition to a sponsor I have ever seen
Love this theory. Great video and content as always.
He was right about the hunger thing too. Objectively his final plan to leave no one alive from the old world and restart it all would have worked. He would have created a new perfected world. Everyone born into his paradise would thank him for creating it and Everyone who was snapped away would have no opinion of his actions because not existing is just like never having existed.
Thanos had the power to replenish the entire universe but chose genocide.
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Because as long as he had the power there would always be someone who wanted to take it from him.
If there was any dictator in the world who held power over others by controlling the water supply and Thanos provided everyone with their own private everlasting water supply it would ruin that dictator's life. They love their power and they would never settle for Thanos taking it away. There would then be conflict. That person may be a Victor Von Doom. He may be smart enough to not attack Thanos head on and instead time travel like the Avengers did and defeat him like the Avengers did and then Doom would have all the power and Thanos will have failed to correct the world.
The most guaranteed way to solve all of life's problems would be to restart. Even if he erased memories to keep order in the new world there's always the possibility memory comes back. A risk not worth taking.
@@BruvahSulaiman he destroyed the stones after the genocide. He could of done the same thing after replenishing the universe si far as to eveytime you pick an apple another one appears in it's place.
@@BruvahSulaiman you are a true critical theorist
Snapped into literal oblivion, Thanos was such a great character.
Kang made sure Thanos got the mind stone and made sure he snapped. That was the point; without that snap, there is no reason for Stark to figure out time travel/ multidimensional travel in the past. Without the snap, Kang doesn't get interdimensional travel and how it works in the future.
so kang is never born in the T'challa Starlord timeline? since T'challa convinces thanos to abandon his plan.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 that’s actually a good question. I mean there have to be some universes where Kang isn’t a thing right?
Unless they’re smart enough to make it where Kang setup a central finite curve like in Rick and Morty where Kang arranged all timelines together where he’s the bad ass. Then separated all those universes from the ones where he isn’t the baddest… which would be a great way to intro Galactus.
Haha, awesome video!! I'm glad someone else saw this plot. I called my theory Thanos 1 and 2. Fitz and Simmons in Agents of Shield will explain more into time travel and how marvel is going to work Thanos back in as a good guy with an alternate Stark.
Even the way he loses isn’t like the generic “ evil villain throwing a fit in defeat “ he just sits down like “ I failed , there’s no hope “
I love how in the thumbnail it says "Thanos was right" and then flash forward to a month later and episode 1 of Hawkeye has this exact thing written on a stall....it's so strange and funny
THIS video here makes sooo much sense..!!!! 🙏💯👊
I am glad that there is something more about Thanos, never as some villain erupting life but something who or what he is trying to prevent.
Nah, Thanos wasn't and currently isn't aware of Kang, or he would've gone a bit farther before getting the stones, or would've even joined the avengers to take the stones, only to betray them after Kang is out of the picture, Thanos is ruthless and calculating, if he was aware of Kang he'd be aware of the TVA, and 2012 Thanos was suprised to a degree by the future Nebula, it was unexpected, he had no clue.
Exactly
Yeah
He explains in the video that Thanos is aware of the damage of the Multiverse Wars but didn’t understand the intricacies of how it was started (i.e Kang and gang) or just how deep the rabbit hole went. Thanos’ idea was to cut half the population of HIS own universe out and hopefully remove the cancer of Kang, which in a sense he did. However, Thanos didn’t understand that preventing Kang’s birth in this dimension didn’t stop Kang from existing in other dimensions or “beyond time” (no dimensional universe) as it were.
Also, when he saw future Nebula, yes he was taken aback and surprised but he also seemed to know exactly what was going on and immediately adjusted his next moves with little more explanation needed. These guys were jacking with the timeline and that was not cool with him.
@@LyrixNChill exactly he adjusted the battle plans and just sat there like a boss when the trinity finally showed up 😆 🤣 😂.
Great theory, but I tend to believe it was something more cosmic. We’ll see in Eternals if it had to do with the Celestial’s, Eternals, or other cosmic entity.
BTW, love your videos. One thing:
For future reference, the stuntman's last name is pronounced PWAH-tee-ay, not POH-tee-ay.
Thanks.
This is an EXTREMELY interesting take. I would love the MCU to portray Thanos as basically all knowing like the recent Jim Starlin Comics not the classic infinity gauntlet. Also. Thanos in the movie does say to Gamora - “I’m the ONLY one that knows.”
The assumption/calculation made estimating how long it would take for the snap’s effect to be reversed is very Earthcentric. His snap effected the entire universe. Some with life forms much different from our own and having no “Industrial Revolution” of their own.
Great point!!
Awesome video. Needs more Doc Brown “You’re not thinking fourth-dimensionally!”
Even if the population returned to its „previous state“ after 70 years, its still missing 50%. As Thanos is somewhat tied to the Celestials, i think his main goal was to stop/delay the emergence (Birth of the Celestial inside Earth - Destruction of Earth)
Well, you’re not taking into account that we know from our real world that populations tend to taper off their growth as they approach a certain size. So that missing 50% wouldn’t have grown at the same rate as the 50% that was spared from the snap. Their collective size (if they’d all been spared and remained) would have introduced a natural counter pressure and the 2 halves together would have slowed their growth at roughly the same point that the spared 50% would have by itself. As Ryan points out in the vid, it’s not population growth that presents a problem, it’s consumption of energy. If you expand your energy generation to meet that natural population ceiling, then everything works out. The pop. doesn’t continue growing out of control.
Yep saw that after watching the Eternals! Thanks brothers appearance opened this narrative up.
Why would he want to save a single planet for a short period of time? After some while the population would be at previous levels anywhere in the universe. Ultimately he wouldnt prevent emergences on any planet but merely delay them to a later date. He wasnt buying time or something since he settled down letting go off "politics". I think Thanos is just a traumatized maniac.
Couldnt he like just snapped the celestials
The computer nerd models are wrong.... They are based on a perfect reality were life returns to normal the next day.
In that reality as showcased in the movie (ruins)... It would take decades to get everything back to how it was.
A curious theory. Why, if Thanos was interested in Death, would he go against Kang? Was Kang preventing deaths? Also wouldn't his plan make Kang moot? Are there no other intentions that have nothing to do with Kang's insanity?
On the other hand if Thanos was interested in saving life why would he go against Kang? Wouldn't Kang's plan prevent the multiverse war, preventing the loss of all life.
In order for your theory that Thanos knew about Kang's plan to work you would have to explain how Thanos knew Kang's plan; and presumably how he knew how to negate Kang's plan.
I am assuming Kang was trying to prevent the multiverse war. But if Kang was trying to bring about the multiverse war wouldn't that make Thanos want to help him: help him destroy all life: amplify Death?
If Kang was trying to bring about the multiverse war and Thanos was against this wouldn't Kang want to thwart Thanos? Make Thanos' plan fail - help the Avengers? Why not make Thor hit Thanos in the head to begin with? Because...that would have repercussions elsewhere that would cause Kang's plan to fail?
An unlikely story.
The brain is the organ of time. It organizes consciousness into sequences of interactions. Depending on the brain those sequences can be linear, geometric, logarithmic, or instantaneous: universally telepathic. But the interactions are still from one universe. For Kang's plan to function easily he would have to have telepathic commune with every Eternity from all universes. For Kang's plan to work, with near impossibility, he would have to have the "notion" that there was a multiverse; and also have an ability beyond this Universe's Eternity. The ability to algorithmetize a certain type of death. An abnormal death. Not a suicide a war.
The question then becomes what could one do to one's self that would "cause" others to kill you? Unless one interacted with others nothing one did to oneself COULD affect those others' action. There would necessarily have to be an external world that belongs to all parties involved. Unless one interacted with that world no amount of internal manipulation could force anything.
Imagine a million different Thanos's just attacking each other.
Thanos said "youre not the only one cursed with knowledge" maybe he knew that his path all along. because without his actions, tony would have never discovered how to time travel
(This is stemming off of the theory that kang is a descendent of tony)
In the comic books King is supposed to be a descendant of Reed Richards Mister Fantastic
@@joehopkins6724 yes i know but many speculate that in the MCU hes going to be a desendend of tony just because hes already been established, it may not be true. Also want to point out how when loki said the tva should be arresting the avengers for messing with time they respondeds with "they were always suppoesed to go back." As if kaan needed something from the Infinity war
@@soulless2169 , kang's real name is Nathaniel Richards , but iron lad is also supposed to be a variant of KANG.... 🤷♂️
In the comics he who remains isn't even supposed to be kang he's supposed to be a totally different villain
@@joehopkins6724 you're not wrong, i was just theorizing. The MCU has made some slight tweaks from the comic counterparts, maybe they'll play with kangs heritage too. Also like how you said he who remains is supposed to be a completely different person.
Makes sense. I could see how anyone with limited knowledge about multiverses and timelines (i dont think he knows about kang either) who had to deal with a multiversal war out of nowhere could think of doing something like this which they might think is for greater good and prevent another war. They might think it as a mercy, which they didn't had.
Love it! 👍🏼
“Who was the original Thanos actor?”
I swear to god if your answer is “your mom”
Max....it is you're Father
Who is also you're mom
@@attackontv9454 Oh fuck🤦🏾♂️ CDFU🤣😂😭😭💀💀💀⚰️⚰️⚰️
I hope no one brings up mothers. But i hope this helps. The original thanos was andy dick😂😂😂
Its Josh brolin dude just look at the cast of avengers infinity war 😐
okay so here's the thing Thanos is part of the Sacred Timeline the things that exist beyond this "Official History" are the TVA, He Who Remains, and the place where the TVA sends all their crap. Okay now He Who Remains has crafted the Sacred Timeline to prevent the "War of the Kang's" (what that exactly means we can only speculate) Now we see that time is a loop starting at the birth of everything and ending with the death of everything then it all starts again. Now here's the kicker everything was fine for millennia Until He Who Remains/Kang discovers there's a multiverse and how to travel between universes (he even states this out right) aaaaand well he discovers this fact around the year three thousand and something which ultimately means the destruction of Titan is at least a thousand years before He Who Remains discovers the multiverse.
okay "Time Travel" the Kang's have Stark's Time Travel tech so one of them could have come back and destroyed Titan Right? well Yes they could have, and even if one of them did, say for some extremely rare resource only Titan has. well then this would just be an invasion how in the hell would Thanos even know this enemy is from a different universe unless in the exceptionally rare case that on the opposing side was a Thanos (highly unlikely because any one of a billion to the power of a billion things could and would be different in a different universe including that Thanos was never born)
Now I'm no expert but based on Ultron's reaction alone Cosmic awareness doesn't grant you infinite knowledge or sight, because first off he would have just warped back to earth and finished the job by killing Nat, Barton, and Zola for good measure, he is able to See the Watcher and comes to the realization there are places beyond his universe based on this. and let's not forget Thanos only had the stones for a very short period of time and they were affixed to a gauntlet where as Ultron had the stone integrated into his very body with the Mind Stone being part of his consciousness which is why I believe he was able to gain cosmic awareness and what makes him so powerful as Ultron is basically the Infinity Stones Incarnate.
Not reading that.
I read it, good point g
@@elfbrownie7226 Thank’s for your contribution & insight
Mind-blowing stuff
That B&B meme ceacked me up way too much!
The CG Thanos looks great and I understand why they went that route. Looking at the practical look with the makeup I think I prefer that for the face.
Except for the part where Thanos looked genuinely surprised when he acknowledged that Nebula "carried two time stamps". Also, it's not unusual that, when someone is so focused on a goal, they are blinded by it, ignoring logic, their issues and other ways to deal with them or the consequences of their acts. One thing is sure: Thanos made a mess but the Avengers made an even worse mess, undoing what he did (I never read a Marvel comic), I still don't get why "it was supposed to happen", according to the TVA. Another thing is sure: mess is interesting.
And another thing: a properly made practical effect is still better than digital.
The mcu is nothing like the real comics. In the real comics avengers got destroyed by thanos. Thanos beat everyone including celestials and multiversal beings even galactus if i remember and adam warlock saved the day
@@ke-go7xj mostly but don’t forget nebula
@@ke-go7xj the MCU isn't going to do that boring storyline. Dark, New Avengers And Secret Wars are coming. You really think they'd do that unclimactic ass comic book for a new storyline? They already are setting up the new phases to have Galactus, God Doom, Fang, Apolycalypse, Madam Web and Mr. Sinister coming for them. Shang-Chi is gonna beam either to Fang or Silver Surfer, then everything will pan out from there.
The why is answered in eternals. Has had some bad reviews but tbh I liked it. It pulled together the whole thanos and multiverse plot
Everything was supposed to happen because He Who Remains created the TVA and is controlling the Sacred Timeline preventing multi-versal war. That timeline where the avengers beat Thanos is the one that He Who Remains wrote so there is only one version of him. If any other timeline were to branch from the original it gets pruned because another Kang would exist risking multi-versal war.
The ancient one also known about it, because she gave an example about the time line branching off and warned about other forces.
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING 😩
The part about how time travel breaks the Fourth Dimension started making so much I forgot it was Science *fiction* and started treating it like an actual theory about reality.
He also says "stark!"
Iron-man: "you know me?"
Thanos: "you're not the only one cursed with knowledge"
The issue I see here is how the infinity rings could be used across several multiverses. In the Loki show, they used infinity stones as paper weights and they had them in each universe. I don’t think their power can be used across the multiverse.