PERFORMANCE CAR CHALLENGE: Hyundai Elantra N vs. Mazda MX-5 Miata vs. Honda Civic Si vs. Subaru BRZ
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- It’s time to compare some performance cars! And this time around, we've got cars that won't break the bank. The Hyundai Elantra N, Mazda MX-5 Miata RF Club, Subaru BRZ tS, and Honda Civic Si face off as Edmunds’ Clint Simone and Brian Wong find out which one gives you the most bang for the buck - and, perhaps most importantly, which one is the most fun to drive. We’ve got 0-to-60 runs, a timed autocross and, of course, good old-fashioned track driving to help us decide our winner.
00:00 Intro
00:45 0-60mph
02:04 Autocross
06:15 Handling Course
12:20 Edmunds' Take
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Cheap speed might not be as cheap as it used to be, but there's still plenty of fun to be had at a moderately affordable price point. Are there any other fun cars you'd like us to test that won't break the bank? Let us know in the comments below!
I have an ElantraN DCT I don't know who was driving your car or if it was a manual but 6.4 is not the reality of the 0 to 60 launch it's for sure at least 5.5
@@joshuaperry6129all muricans are as intelligent as you are?(and knowledgeable about cars and driving...well, even less about driving as you clearly don't know how to drive, you had to get an automatic to do the driving for you); that's why EVs will win, because ppl like you choose the easy way instead of the actual driving way.
@edmundscars, unfortunately, there aren't any true driver's cars at this price point.(beside brz/gr86 and miata)
edit. and by true driver's cars I ref to rwd, manual and affordable because almost no one can afford a gt3 touring or similar.
The Sh*t-Box showdown!
@@joshuaperry6129 right, I was thinking it was way quicker
No need to find out. We already know alot of professional TCR drivers have shifted away from the Type R platform and turned to the Elantra N. And to no surprise they have been winning. We need to stop living in the past and saying "its a Hyundai though" Albert Biermann has paved the way for Hyundai's success and I'm happy to ride with it.
I’m 40 years old and have been a Honda kid/guy since I was 15 but have switch to Hyundai the last 6 years 2022 Santa Cruz , 2022 Kona Nline now 2024 Kona and 2024 sonata N line …
@nickclashez try the full on N cars brother and you will see how much fun they can get. My friend's Kona N is a hoot. Super impressive how quick it is with the DCT and handling for a crossover mini SUV or whatever it is
@@shortroundChris I test drove the Elantra N and the sonata N line back to back the sonata is a beast…
My cousin got one DCT sees the dealer more than it sees the road. Already had the DCT replaced at 8000km.However, i cant talk Miatas have glass transmissions.
The main issue with Hyundai for me still is the dealers. And is the last stage they have to improve at. They haven't trained their employees well enough yet to work on the N cars and the horror stories of people and my friend taking theirs in for maintenance is crazy. Also they are very stingy on warranty claims.
The Civic SI's advertised horsepower has not changed by more than 8 horsepower in 18 years. Honda definitely needs to bump that power to modern, competitive levels.
The price of surely went up
Miata's power hasn't changed much in 30 years. Lol
@@ytsux9259 but you know what has changed weight has gone down so if you know a little bit about that that’s like gaining power. It’s also seen a lot of cars been discontinued.
@@ytsux9259 doesn't a 1994 miata make128 and the 2024 make 181??? Tq is also up from 110 to 151...bigger improvement than the civic tbh
But the torque has
The smile you get driving the Elantra N is for real. I test drove all these cars and the Elantra was the only to make me smile like a little kid. It still makes me smile every morning a year later
It still gives me the smile after 2 years exactly.....
That big repair bill due to poor Korean quality will wipe any silly smile off both of your faces.
@@dr.magnanimous8973Repair bill on what? The N's that were developed by Albert Bierhman?
@@dr.magnanimous8973 10 year warranty. Not worried
@@dr.magnanimous8973What part of warranty do you fools not understand? Lmao
Recently I went to test drive 2 sport cars that received a lot of good reviews from auto magazines and You Tube reviewers: The '22 Subaru BRZ 6MT (similar to the GR86) & the Elantra N DCT, and these is what I noticed: GR86/BRZ: very light weight with great handling, quick engine, very precise shifter and good steering wheel, nice looking cockpit with analog displays, and great seating position, OK exhaust sound. And on the Elantra N. Crazy power, great nimble handling, DCT shifts were great, suspension adjustability was great, exhaust sound was OK, it made me felt nervous when other driver was driving it. For sure is way faster than the GR86/BRZ, great adjustability of features on the display and great seating position. It has better cabin space and trunk space. Some FWD jumping presence while stepping on the gas from a stop. A crazy entertaining ride.
Based on my test drive of both type of sport cars, I would define them in few words: '22 GR86 / BRZ: Are more matured analog great handling cars (like a dependable horse). And the Elantra N is the pocket rocket, tech toy car in which you can explore its limits with multiple settings (its more like a wild horse). Both types of cars are fun machines but on a different way.
Elantra N. My 24 yr old daughter bought her own brand new '22 Elantra N almost two years ago, as a present to herself for landing her first real job out of college. It's identical to this one but with the 8DCT. She tells me she has timed a 0-60 of 4.8 sec using the on-board timer, and I know other people have been able to do this with the 8DCT as well. The 6MT is *capable* of hitting 60 in a little over 5 sec, but 6.4 is probably a better reflection of how it accelerates when you care about clutch longevity, though. It's a great little car that can actually be very economical on road trips, too, while oozing character and punching above its price with all the right noises and a presence the others can't match, IMO. The exhaust pops and farts are the icing on top. It's a little too much for me these days but I realize I'm not the target buyer and that's fine. For the money, it's pretty hard to beat if you are looking for a car like this.
The wet dual clutch has zero issues. Your thinking dry 7spd not the wet 8spd DCT
@@stevendeleon3836false. The wet DCT has had issues as well
@@SIIKAP1the issue is electric sensor related ! And some rare failure ... The recall is all sensor related 23 are corrected so only 2022 have it
It is indeed great that in your country, a 24 year-old girl can afford a brand new high performance sedan like Elantra N while in some countries even 50 year-old men can't afford an economy car!!
Sure but its super ugly... thats why it isnt selling better. the front end is a mess, and the rear stylying looks like a totally different car. its almost as ugly as the new subaru wrx...
Using the RF was an interesting choice, surely 150 lbs above the center of gravity of a car isn't making it any faster.
Should have used a soft top Club model. Even those prices have crept up when I bought my 2016 Club soft top. Super light car at 2340 pounds. Launch also was not very good.
@@ag4allgood I have the same car. I have hit 60 on the street faster than these guys.
Its 85 lbs and also it doesn't make a lot of a difference as much as ppl make it out to be. Would you tell a 200lb person to not buy a miata? Oh but a 125lb person is faster hurrr durrrr. Actually driving and real world application you will not notice a difference as a blind folded passenger.
@@diseasesjesus5078 it’s 113 so we were both wrong. That’s five percent.
5% so you would be able to tell the difference blind folded between a miata with 100 hp and 105 hp? lmao gtfo. The automatic transmission weighs in over 50 lbs are you gonna tell a 200 lb man driving an auto miata that hes slow? You're lame as f dude
$100 for a haircut?! Yall wyln😂
Where you at? Cuz it's same for me.
@@JamaicanMeCrazyBruh. These are Great Clips level of haircuts. That's $30 tops which includes a 40-50% tip.
@@JamaicanMeCrazy wild. Augusta GA. I pay $40
I just get full shave for free altho its not great quality lol
You can't call yourself a performance car, with 0-60 close to 8 seconds
The Civic Si has lost the plot
All the cars have faster official 0-60 times than they tested
I got a 6.0 sec 0-60 in my 1966 Olds 442.
All season tires make a huge difference
@@noahbingham6200 Not a full second
Trust me it’s not that slow, I had a 9th and 10th Gen si, I got like 6.8 sec but you gotta have perfect launch and shifts no room for error
Great review! I have owned a Civic Si and now have a GR86. Your review is one of the only ones I have watched that tells it like it is - the GR86/BRZ tells you about the mistakes you make - and that is why we love it! But many reviewers, likely due to wanting to seem like pro drivers, don’t mention its nature. Cheers.
Thank Alber Bierrman from BMW M for the Elantra N , it drives like an M and punches way above its weight for the price. Does everything right daily driver/race car
Can confirm they drive like an M, my mom has a 2016 M2 Manual and I have a 2020 Veloster N Manual. They drive shockingly similar in terms of chassis dynamics.
You sure it drives like an N?
@@scubarubanzaiitell us ANYTHING about chassis dynamics…
@@1anre go drive one ,I won't sit here and try to convince you
@Jcastro9444 saw one in the parking lot yesterday. It stood out, but as hyundai doesn't have as much racing reputation as the Honda, it was hard to convince myself that it'll be a car one will enjoy
I'd still get the MX-5. More smiles to miles with the top down. Also that's last year's Miata, just sayin'.
Hail to Sir Albert Bierman! Hyundai is a track and driving monster. With the DCT, it would have been even faster. There’s no competition in this price range.
You guys should have gotten a GTI as well.
Or a GLI
Or the Audi A1 40 TFSI, it would beat all these in 0-100.
@@AndrewTSq I don't think the A1 is in their market.
The Mazda MX-5 Miata is the only vehicle in this video that I would even consider purchasing. Ironically, without a $10K+ down payment and/or trade-in credit, these vehicles are more expensive than what the median income American in 2024 can afford on a reasonably healthy budget.
I own an ND Miata 1.5L, but I changed the wheels for a very lightweight Rays gramlights 57V and doing a down size from 16” stock to 15” tires on 205/55R15, then coil over HKS hyper max S with an customized sway bar with short stabilizer.
I kept a fraction of the body roll and combined with chunk tires the ride around the mountains is just perfect!
I’m quite happy with my set up…
With the same setup , do you get wheel hop over uneven pavement in the middle of turns? I'm assuming the larger sidewall helps?
What Mode where you guys driving the Elantra N in??? Its by far the most customizable car from the dealer you can get out of these 4 cars!
All of those cars are great. I'm a Mazda guy and own both an NB2 Miata and a mk3 Mazda3. I feel like an unadulterated driving experience is something I value quite a bit more than any other metric and the Miata consistently honours that with every generation. I really hope the next generation Mazda3 and Mazda6 can encompass more Miata driving purity with plug-in electrification and a double helping of lightness.
I've never driven an 86/BRZ but it sounds like an amazing machine, and I was very close to considering a Civic Si before my wife dropped the "I need your next daily driver to be an automatic" bomb.
Thank you guys for making a video like what Motortrend USED to be years and years ago.
If you don’t care about practicality get the Mazda RF. There’s no other car like it on the market. Do NOT get hung up on horsepower figures. Driving fun is all about light weight, small dimensions and handling characteristics… the open air experience doesn’t hurt. I have a blast driving super cars from time to time but jumping back in my RF I’ve come to realize I have more fun in the Mazda.
Yeah I was surprised they placed the Miata in 3rd tbh
Shhh , not so loud. Those muscle car enthusiasts will hear you ! The soft top is more fun top down & weighs 140 pounds less. That is why I've been driving a 2016 MX-5 Club for the past 7 + years. There is a good reason the Miata is The Most Raced car in the world ! 😎
@@ag4allgood I hear ya! I just wanted the security and I prefer the looks of the RF. The extra weight is in the rear making the car a perfect 50/50 weight distribution and added rigidity not to mention couldn’t feel the weight difference in the test drives so I didn’t mind👍🏼
@@drdringus8054 The security thing is over rated. If someone wants what is in your car the side windows break easier than trying to cut thru the roof. Durability of the roof is where the RF shines. Like anything else if you take care of the soft top it can last a very long time. Even in 4 season weather the soft top is good thru ice / snow / freezing rain. The added cost is around $3500 to $4200 extra. That is many good mods like a Flying Miata active exhaust a Verus Engineering Air Oil Seperator & front PPF which is 1/2 of what an RF cost difference. There are advantages to both types.
Nicely done. My enthusiast car budget is around $60k and I ordered a BRZ tS. Just seems to be driving euphoria to me and well under budget. I also wouldn’t want a 4 door enthusiast car so that eliminates many options for me.
The new MX-5 with less body roll is my fun pick. 2024 model
Whenever the Miata takes a turn:
“I lean like a cholo, elbows up, side to side like a cholo…”
Need them sway bars though!
The Civic hasn’t gotten any quicker? They’ve only gotten slower. It’s really a shame how slow it is now.
Agree on the Civic Si. Acura used to make a sweet Integra GSR priced right & reliable on top of everything else it brought. 8000 rpm Redline made it feel so good to run thru the gears. The new higher performance Integra's are priced much higher than any Civic Si & that is a change.
@@ag4allgoodaren’t they only $29k to $31k?
Must be different Civics for different markets.. cause the new Civic Type-R is the fastest FWD car around the nurburgring, and beat the old one. I do not understand why they deliver the car on all weather tires.. they have zero grip.
@@AndrewTSq All season tires technology have gotten much better recently so the difference between Summer UHP & All season performance tires has narrowed.
@@good-tn9sr Not the Integra's of the Type A or S models which is where the comparison is. Plus the new Integras are Bigger & Heavier.
Hyundai Elantra N is absolutely incredible for $34k! Twin scroll turbocharger, 290whp, front mount intercooler, ELSD, electronic suspension, overboost button, electronic valve exhaust system, drive modes, custom modes, exhaust backfires (valve open), launch control, 160 mph top speed, bucket seats and alot more ALL STOCK!!! What other vehicle can say the same!?!?! Fun ass vehicle!!
Great video, I always wanted to know how the Elantra N performed VS the twins GR86/BRZ. Awsome!👍🤗
The 0-60 for the Elantra should have been much faster. Even without octane learning which i doubt it had. Otherwise nice review.
my thoughts too, something isn't right lol
I’d say they offer different things for different people. All are super cool. I’ve had a couple Sis and they are really comfortable, fuel efficient (35-40mpg) and really fun to drive. Interior is well laid out. Never tracked it tho. GR86 was automatic but still really fun, sounded decent and held up well on track for a couple weekends until I traded it out. The Elantra N and Miata are cool but I’ve never had em. Great collection of cars here.
Great video. Would’ve liked to see a few things though:
Add in cars which a lot of people feel can compete: Forte/Elantra Gt, WRX, and GTI
Also it could’ve used more performance metrics like maybe braking distance and 1/4mi times to add to the tallying.
Great comparison! All 4 of these are competitive autocross cars in their classes too.
Pure performance for a new car the only 2 options imo at this price point are the Elantra N and GTI. The N of you want all performance stock with less luxury features or GTI if you want a few more luxury features and a lot more room for tuning.
Thank you guys for putting some respect to the Elantra N. I own a DCT model, and although this might not matter cause its more of a handling car, the 0-60 should be closer to around 5 seconds. Id say this car actually competes better with higher priced cars like the Type R and the GR Corolla but at the price point of the cars in this video. I'd love to see a video like that next. Thank you again 🎉
The Elantra and Civic were both about 1 sec off their accepted 0-60 times, the Miata only a 1/2 sec, and the BRz was about 2 tenths. You'd think that conditions would make them all slower by an even %, but that was not the case.
The 0-60 time of the EN in this video is a testament that they don't know how to launch a MT FWD car with over 250hp.
Yea no lol specially, if you throw in reliability
I own the veloster, I have run 4.8 once when my tires were new but usually low 5s
@gigi9467 savege geese tortured tested a gr corolla against a elantra N and the gr corolla fried its rear differential...and nothing happened to the elantra N😂😂😂 this isn't the early 2000s no more
The level of individual adjustability of the EN rivals that of $90k+ 500+hp cars Like M4 Comp or CT5 blackwing. Engine, trans, steering, dampers, exhaust, LSD, ESC, for $35K. Truly incredible!
How is that track? I drive past it on my way to work all the time in my prius C.
Great review. I have the 2023 EN 6MT. Just a little observation. but EN can get on the power earlier when coming out of last turn...its LSD works like magic.
And a Tuned 6spm elantra n can handle more power than a tuned dct elantra n.
@@lukemothug Engine seems robust enough, but not sure about all the other components. But, those that are amping the power aren't doing my kind of milage.
I ended up choosing ND Miata (again) when it was time to replace my NA Miata. No regrets. Everyone seems to love the Elantra N and I love the way it sounds, but it does not inspire the "look back" while I'm walking away from it. It drives great, sounds great, but the design is just ugly in my opinion. I hope they make another generation that improves on the looks before everything goes electric. BRZ still looks great, but without having a dropable top, it's not the complete driving experience for me.
I'm the opposite lol, what I want is a real coupe version of the Miata, because I don't trust Subaru's engines and I don't like that the BRZ's suspension architecture is pretty much ripped straight from Subaru's economy cars rather than being designed from the ground up for a sports car.
@@aaronbryan5095 I think the RF is the closest we'll ever see to that.
13:14 sums it up. You want a rwd get a gr86/brz. If not, elantra n all the way. :)
Depends what you want. GR86 had my heart until i drove a miata. now i own a miata lol
@@fahmidnd2 miata won't work for you as an only car. And for brand new you need a car that can do everything
@@1anre Its my only car, i can do costco runs perfectly fine. Probably the best winter vehicle ive had. most people want space they dont need.
@@fahmidnd2 your family comprises of just you?
@@fahmidnd2Tiny car. I wouldn't be able to do my road trip I just took in my sedan in a miata. GR86 is much more practical as an only car.
The Si is a dog out of the box but still really fun to drive because it’s so lightweight and has a great shifter. Luckily the Si is easy to tune. With summer tires and a tune the car feels completely different
You can get a base BRZ or GR86 for just under $30k.
Just sayin.
Lots of great values in this class! Cant go wrong. Wrx is another good option too
Does the 1.5 t Honda still have the oil dilution issue?
No
For anyone considering these vehicles: While the Si has the weakest engine, I found the refinement, fuel economy, practicality, cabin, and (hopeful) reliability made it my choice. While the engine lacks character, I've found nothing to complain about in 4 months. A great sporty commuter sedan at an average 37 mpg.
The Elantra N was such a strong 2nd choice, but Hyundai's reliability gave me pause.
10 year/100000k mile warranty plus Hyundai has been rated more reliable than Ford, Chevy, and Nissan so I think they are past the reliability problem days
The N cars are reliable, but the thing is that the Si is a more reasonable daily imo.
One year with my Si and I’m lovin it, but the all season tires are NOT up to par. Can’t wait to slap on some Michelins
Believe it or not, the N is more practical if you need the backseat. The buckets give you more leg room in the back than even the regular Elantra, and both have much more backseat space than the Si. Trunk is larger too (since the Si doesn't get the hatch the other Civic trims do).
@enasto2028 Yeah, it's a great warranty. Anecdotally, my brother owns two that are 6 and 10 years old. Both need new engines, at least one is a potential warranty claim, they need to submit regular oil consumption info.
I have forte GT. Almost 3000 pounds 201hp so probably closest to that Si but that Si has a front differential. Forte GT come with summers on GT2 package and under 27k it’s a good alternative if you’re on a budget
저는 한국에서 Hyundai Elantra N MT를 가지고 있습니다 이차량은 22년도 4월에 구입했는데 아직도 너무 재미있어서 계속 가지고 있고 싶습니다.
가격 운동성 일반이한테 그리 높지 않은 마력 다 맘에 듭니다..
The answer is Miata. The answer is always Miata. 💪
If you want rwd fun, get a Miata. If you want fwd fun go Elantra N.
If you want rwd fun go GR86, if you want fwd fun go Elantra N. Two best bang for buck by a lot. The Civic SI even with summer tires is way too much money for what is essentially just a regular Civic. Sadly like the Accord (bye 2L Turbo), Honda neutered the SI to make the more expensive Acura Integra version look better by taking away summer tires
I mean ever since the 10th generation of the Civic, Honda has no reason to bump the performance of the Si, not saying they shouldn't, but they have the Civic Type R to do the heavy lifting in the performance segment.
Elantra N is pretty decent, id probs be getting the elantra n when the major refresh comes which should realistically be in the next 3 years (following hyundai trend of 6 years and then a major refresh) and from what im hearing its very likely to get the 2.5L from sonata n-line which would absolutely be awesome and give me a bigger reason to get it then other cars.
How’s the sticky steering
I personally owned and tested a 2018 civic SI, which is basically the exact same as what you tested. Mine came with All season tires cause I live in Colorado and mine did 0-60 in 5.9 seconds, and handled AMAZINGLY! Stop complaining about all seasons and spend more time in the car getting better.
Elantra N and Miata are getting updates this month lmao
You guys probably launched the Elantra N subpar at best to get a 6.4 0-60
Look. You have to turn off traction control in the si to get a good launch. If it's the same as the previous generation it's like a cheat code than you shift fast into second. Ease it into third I've noticed it doesn't eat it as well. I mean don't need to shift slow just don't do it as fast as possible you'll notice it after maybe 50 times or so it'll start to hesitate the throttle for a sec. I've gotten a 6 second with not so good tires. I find it launches fastest with wheel hope. You obviously let the car bog on the launch which lead to the 7.7 second 0-60
If you are going to test true miata at least do the convertible... Thats a 100lbs of weight added onto the rf
The Elantra N is in the 5’s with the MT 0-60. Our Elantra N holds track records at COTA, Laguna Seca and Buttonwillow where it is sub 2 (1:57.7).
The N rules!
I found that you guys were ragging on the Si too much. Sure the stock tires are whatever, but the Si makes the best sport daily drivers out of these cars by far. Do I think Honda should increase the performance, yes. However since the Type R is exists Honda lets that do the heavy lifting in the performance segment. The Si is the best bang for the buck as of right now in Canada (more standard equipment then the US model) - I'm not sure why people are paying markups on these cars though, I paid MSRP for mine.
Ya’ll should have included the MK8 Golf GTI as well.
The golf isn't relevant anymore.
@@anarchyjinflamesHuh?? its more relevant than ever performance/power wise than it ever has been. If anything the SI has fallen way behind.
They forgot to mention that the civic si has a 1.5 turbo. With just a tune you’re beating the brz/miata with ease. Much more potential with a boosted engine than n/a as far as daily drivers. Also the civic is easily capable of 36mpg. It’s roomy and comfortable. Besides the Elantra n is probably the best bang for your buck. Handling wise it could be better but let’s be honest who is going to buy any of these cars as an enthusiast and not out coil overs or springs on it
Honda being an underdog over a Hyundai. What a time we live in lol
Elantra wipes the floor here
Front wheel drive... 🤢
Considering the considerable extra power, it was nearly equal to Subaru in performance. Unless you need 4 doors, I would not pass on a RWD Subaru for a FWD Hyundai. But to each their own.
@@ytj22 the Subaru is slow and no backseat
@@mharro88 according to this video, the Elantra must be slow too?
@@ytj22 on track it's not. Look at lap times.
I have a 2020 si and 23 EN. The si is literally my economy car. Its so boring compared to the N. The N is the only car with no lift shift technology and the ability yo brake boost from the oem also.
yea the have tamed the Si, and ruined what its about. the 9th gen was the last si that had any kind of Si heritage. And they even neutered that one a bit. its super slow too, but at least the motor has potential
0-60 of Elantra N for 6.4 second looks little sketchy. Motortrend timed it 5.9, not to mention DCT version timed 5.1. All three cars had the exactly same 0-60? hmm...
Where is the WRX?
Right, 2022-2024 WRX 6MT will do 0-60 5.5 and only car in the segment at this price point with AWD
the BRZ is just better overall, would be tied or above the SI. But doesn't compare because it has awd and has a few extra seats over the smaller cars.
@@vinayvellookunnel947They would’ve gotten a slower time with the WRX if they had it here like they did these cars. Driver mod was needed in all cases. Si can get mid 6s, GR86 and Miata are both capable of hitting 5s and the EN (DCT) can get as low as 4.8.
@@Symphoniics none of the cars in this video including a 6MT EN are getting 0-60s faster than the WRX in a real world environment, the EN on a drag is the only thing that could hit low 5s (non DCT) lol, but yes their 0-60 times were pretty embarrassing
@@vinayvellookunnel947 Go look up stock EN DCT 0-60 times. There are many videos of people getting 4.8-5.1 on average street conditions. The only conditions where a WRX might beat an EN off the line is in the rain or snow.
Car enthusiasts not picking the Miata is wiiiiiiiiiiiiiild
If I ever wanted a reasonable compromise from a Camaro, I’d go elentra. Looks cool, love the exhaust and engine sound.
FWD
@@ytj22yeah I know, wish it was AWD. But again, it’s nice for what it is.
@@Judas_LT1_313 Camaro wasn't AWD either
@@Judas_LT1_313shut up AWD is 🗑️ too. AWD
I had a 6th gen Camaro SS MT, test drove the Elantra N and was surprised by its performance 👍
Where is the WRX?!
Facts y isn’t the wrx in here
Honestly surprised that it isn’t, considering it’s in the same price category as these while being in the same performance category.
They probably couldn’t get one from
The manufacturer for this.
It’d basically trail the Elantra N for the most part.
Because the brand new wrx isn’t a performance car . They put all that budget into the gr Yaris/corolla
I say this as it was purposely made not as good as it could of been so it wouldn’t cannibalize partner Toyota’s GR brand they’ve been partnering since 86/brz so there’s probably some deal behind closed doors.
@@zeniey Makes sense actually given there partnership. The FA24 is a damn good motor and a weapon when it’s tuned. All for around the 28-31k mark
this is really a tire test disguised as a car test. elantra has the best tires, followed by BRZ, followed by miata, followed by civic si. you put the same tire on all three and the order will 100% change.
Shit 0 to 60 time on the Elantra N. Wtf I have an ElantraN Dct 0 - 60 time is definitely faster.
agreed
That's not the right number at all 😂 my Elantra N do 5,1s not 6,4 😂
they’re probably above sea level
bad driver, prob launched at the wrong rpm or something. Doesnt make sense i suck at driving mt and i got a 5.4 0-60 in my veloster n
Looks like there was a slight mistake. There is no way all 3 of those cars had the same 0-60
This is the exact class of car I like and I have considered all these cars. I had an FRS but I want the Elantra N now. I simply don't trust the engine of the BRZ - too many cases of it blowing up, it is just not reliable in relation to the other cars here. If it were more reliable it would be a very tough call
Honestly it's just the one issue that brings down the BRZ - Oil starvation. As far as reliability everywhere else I would pick the toyobaru over a Hyundai though as this issue only applies when pushing it on the track. Modifications to greatly mitigate the oil starvation issue are slowly coming out so take a look again when you go for the purchase.
If you track it, you mod it to address the chance of oil starvation. If you drive it just on street, you don’t have to worry about oil starvation at all. 100k miles with a first Gen FRS/86 and ZERO engine issues. It’s also slightly modded, but still NA. Just be on top of your oil changes and run 5-30w, as recommended anywhere around the world except the US and maybe Canada, as far as I remember.
Weird that Honda has refused to improve the performance of the Civic Si. Doesn't have to be power, do something interesting for it - torque vectoring, RWD/AWD, lighten it, anything. It hasn't improved in the past 10-15 years. Miata is too wallowy and soft, would really benefit from a stiffer coupe version with more power/top end and better suspension. Agree with the BRZ and Elantra N being the standouts. I've owned a 2nd gen BRZ for 2 years and absolutely love it in the right settings (track, autocross, canyons). Elantra N looks fun in a different way and as a bonus you get 4 doors/usable rear seats. If I needed more practicality, I'd consider the EN (or likely FL5 CTR) over BRZ.
I like the Elantra N, but I would still go with the BRZ (Well, ideally I'd go with the GR86).
The Elantra is front wheel drive which ruins it for me, and it's just a slightly redesigned and tuned Elantra. It's a grocery getter with a grocery getter design. Just a shame really.
The Elantra N is no doubt the most fun FWD small sedan and is most definitely the most practical of the bunch. That said since your comparison centered significantly around timing, especially autocross, the choice to use the Miata RF rather than the droptop Club seems very odd. Car and driver clocked a 0-60 time 1 second faster for the droptop, which would have put the Miata above all other cars in your 0-60 comparison rather than being in a 3-way tie ... and while I can't say with absolute certainty that it would have for sure beaten the N on the autocross (I would guess yes but can't be sure) it would definitely have made up the delta to the BRZ. That would have put it either at equal points with the N or actually ahead of it.
I don't really care either way... I ride a Kawasaki Z650 LOL.... but if you're going to do a shootout like this and you're trying to be fair you should in fact be fair. Incidentally the MX-5 Club would not only have likely won this competition, it would have done so while being far more enjoyable than the RF and costing less.
Great car video
Putting an Elantra N in here is like putting a type r or golf r in this match up, not a competition
They all are the same price though.
@S.Madman the civic type R is more comparable to the N in price and performance. The Civic Si is more equal to the price and performance of the Elantra N Line more than the the Elantra N
@@realmadzero Here in the US the Civic R starts at 44,795, and the Elantra N starts at 32,900, the Civic Si is 29,100. That is not including dealer mark up on the Type R. Please, I know you are young, but research before you write.
I think tge mustang ecoboost its really comparable to this other cars. People tend to compare it to the gt but, this comparison makes more sense imo 🤷🏻♂️
I'd like the BRZ/GR86 more, but the sound that engine makes is abysmal, to me. I can't get over it. I'm not going to judge those who like it, this is very subjective, but I can't do it for me. On top of it, the BRZ/GR86 are much more a track oriented drivers cars, and yet the oil starvation issues they have make them incredibly concerning to track.
I barely fit in a miata at 6'5, and I'm going to get one. The body roll is a great tool for practicing driving mechanics off track, at safe road paces. This is massively overlooked, in my opinion. Plus, it's the only convertible here - I get why this is overlooked, but it is a glaring difference between these 4 cars.
I'd like to say as well, tires make a massive difference in feel and track times: and they're considered consumables (especially for track, where these tests matter the most). I'd never buy a Civic in my life, but it's unfair to compare in this way with shitty tires on it.
Gr corolla needed an invite to this
If you want to autocross, the BRz is probably the better choice, with some decent tires, it is hard to beat. If you want hit track days, the Elantra is the clear winner, it is faster and fade-free right from the dealer lot. As a daily, the Elantra with the DSG is even faster than the manual, has plenty of room for 5 people and their stuff, and can switch from an eco-commuter to a back-road demon at the push of a button. Both offer a lot of tuning potential, but the BRz will always start as a compact RWD sports coupe and not a family sedan. They are two very different animals, both are just great. And the Miata is well, a Miata, can't go wrong there ever. And the Civic is a Honda, for the budget-limited, its only some tires and sway bars and a tune away from greatness.
You might want a tune in it because the hp numbers are lacking, hell they haven't increased more than 8hp in the past 18 years
For seriOuS tracK uSe, brz suffeRs froM oIl pREssuRe iSsueS dUrInG hIgH G'S. In WhIcH CaSe, Elantra N (esPecIaLly tHe 6MT) Is tHe bettEr cHoIce FoR rEgUlAr AutOcroSs.
How did you get 6.4 seconds to 60 out of an Elentra? Even it is a stick you should be in the fives. The DCT is around 4.8 seconds to sixty, which I can personally attest to.
I wish there was a channel or if there is let me know which one it is. That has the budget to test cars all with the same tire and not a stopwatch.
I was considering a 2023 Genesis G70, but given that local Genesis dealership staff think they're Bentley class folk, I have switch my interested to the 2025 Elantra N. It should be for sale in the summer :D
Love my Elantra ❤ great car
The Elantra N needs to be octane learned
Always N for me, I've got the baby N, the i20n and it's hilarious but also seriously impressive💙💙💙
What sucks about the Si nowadays is behind modern performance standards. Basically the Type-R is the modern sports injected Civic. Hate to say it but the Si might as well be killed off if the Type-R exists and Honda chooses to not beef up the Si to avoid cannibalizing the Type-R.
A few will still buy a new Si because of what the badge used to represent. Might as well buy a used 8th-9th gen Si, trust me it has better mod potential.
that Miata body roll is wild, lol
Had they done the GR86 it beats the N with the tweaked suspension
If the Elantra wasn't so fugly looking, it would be a clear winner. I can't get past it's polarizing design. Gimme the BRZ/GR86.
24 is better but who cares when you in the seat. Blending in is nice sticking out is super annoying
Do u like turning right at the track? Lol
@@gigi9467it’s been fixed
@@josephpalack1440 what no it hasnt there is still people are trying to figure out how to fix it and toyota hasn’t done anything about it. Show me how it’s been fixed I would love to know.
@@gigi9467 900BRZ released a video the other day with a ton of testing data. They have engineered a new oil pan with a baffle that, along with a little oil overfill, eliminates oil pressure drop. They plan to manufacture and sell it.
Honda has been milking people for many years 🤣 They don't improve their cars, just the way they look and the prices keep climbing and people keep buying.
The N's 0 to 60 is 6.4??
You need to go through the octane learning procedure on 91 oct minimum. You'll get it close to 5 sec.
How the hell did you get 6.4 secs 0-60 on the Elantra N? I consistently get 5-5.5 seconds. 6 seconds flat when its cold and wet out. Is this a manual?
ive done 5.0 flat 0-60 in the N. its a tricky car to launch but its a lot quicker driven right
Without proper timing equipment the auto cross times are way too close for any definitive answers. Driver reaction at start and the time keepers reactions at finish could swap any of those times around
6.4 For the EN? That's realllly slow. Official Numbers are 5.2 for the DCT and some have hit 4.8 stock.
Yes you should find it out let’s see how it goes against the type r 🥶
Savagegeese already found out. Controlling for as many variables as I’ve seen in any comparison, the Elantra N, new Type R, GR Corolla and Golf R had lap times that were within fractions of a second of each other’s.
Driver error the manual enlantra n has been clocked at under 6 sec to 60.
The Elantra N is the best sports car for the money.
I love love love my Elantra N. I've had it almost 2 years. It is so fast and can carry 3 kids, my wife, and all our luggage in it too!
REV 버튼이 한국 엘란트라N으로 치면 NGS 버튼인가요?
Dct에서는 rev버튼 자리에 대신 ngs가 달려있는걸로 압니다