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My next review is from this list 😭
Helo Marques! Hope everything’s well 😊
lmfaooooooo, I can already see thier stocks going down
how do you only have 4 likes 😭
Bro it better not be the Q4…… it’s a really nice car.
Oh God! 😅
“But the performance is not high,
YOU ARE If you buy the thing” 🤣🤣🤣
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7:40 "Have you ever walked into a dealership and said 'I know I can get the new model cheaper, but I would like to pay more for the old model'?" Doug, you have just described every Tacoma fan in 2024. I know somebody who not only paid more for the previous model Tacoma, they flew a thousand miles to pick it up and drive it back home. True story.
same with honda accord especially the 2.0
Yes the last gen accord is also better
Which model it was? Third Gen?
There is no way someone payed more for a 3rd gen Tacoma. The new one has like 10k market adjustment at least. I guarantee that person got sticker price for the 3rd gen which is not bad.
@@prereqs8249i would pay more for a 2.0 manual
Toyota salesman here from Wyoming. Can confirm that the bZ4X is certainly the worst car I’ve ever come across. We have only had 1 come through our dealership that sat for over 200 days. It was dead every single day. We never sold it and eventually sent it to a different Toyota dealer down south who had 11 of these things at the time.
As in, battery was charged, then it drained?
@@hotshtsr20yes it would literally kill itself each day. We key up in the mornings (leave all keys in lot vehicles) and they ley left in the car would cause it to die even if it was fully charged.
@@joshdupree4442 Lol. My wife leaves her keys in the car aaaaallll the time. Noted. 😂
Seeing mistubishi do absolutely nothing with their lineup breaks my heart. They were a Japanese powerhouse in the 90s.
and 2000's
@@HelminthCombos only the first half of the 2000s
All of their models are rebranded Renault models these days
the pajero is doing good tho, i dont think its in the american market
@@EZ-GAZI it is not. We only ever got the Montero and that was discontinued in our market almost 20 years ago.
The biggest problem for the Mirage is lack of value… if the MSRP were $11,995, it would be a much more attractive value option.
Nah, it needs to be cheaper, maybe $6,499 then it'd be an okay-ish new car
@@theemeralddj1 I agree, and disagree. In 2017 they where on sale marked down to about $10,000. But the general public wanted large SUV's, speedy, very safe, and don't care about fuel. And the people who want a A, to B car don't see much about Mitsubishi, so they get a Corolla instead.
But in 2024, the price is $18,000. A lot more, but the price of all cars has gone way up, and with the gas prices how they are, they are selling quite a bit more Mirages.
@@extralock1045 that's true, I just came up with that $6,499 number cause for how the new Mirages are, especially the base base models (and thinking back to Doug's old Mirage review), it seems reasonable to me at least at that theoretical price
The Mirage makes sense in its target countries. In South East Asia it competes with many cars that are very simple such as the Toyota Wigo / Daihatsu Ayla or the Suzuki Celerio or the Kia Picanto. In many developing countries used cars simply don't depreciate at anywhere near what we see in North America or even Europe and in these markets a new Mirage is closer in price to a 6 year old Corolla that may or may not have been through multiple flood and natural disasters.
I have a feeling that Nissan / Renault are producing as many Mirages as the Mitsubishi plant that produces them can produce and what ends up in the USA is simply their to keep models in the showrooms until they can figure out what to do with the brand and its dealerships.
Soltera dealer are offering $250/month leases to get them out the door.
I love how doug demuro and whistlin diesel work in the same industry doing the same job but are the most different people imaginable
Hey Doug, I'm not a follower and stumble across your videos from time to time when I want to check out an old iconic car, but I just wanted you to know that as a viewer from Europe I really value your time and effort into adding kilometers whenever you mention miles. Thank you for caring
Doug, can you make this a yearly thing? I’d love to hear your take on the worst vehicles released each year! 👌
Facts dude I been watching Doug since 2019 he has pretty good opinions tbh.... sometimes but most of the tìmes😂😂
Want a top 10
Here here
Make it weekly this is hilarious 😅
Doesn't make a ton of sense when most cars stay the same for 4 to 6 years.
165 grand for that bmw made me spit take my coffee, good lord
Driving THAT BMW is an indicator of the driver's effectivity.
As someone who lives near Doug, I've seen a total of 1 of them. This place is like the EV Mecca and no one owns one of them.
Same!
Can get a C8 Corvette for half that
My country's favorite car journalist just bought the new iX, good lord he is so ecstatic with his purchase
When my car was rear ended, the other persons insurance was only going to cover $40/day for a rental while mine was being repaired. The only car I could get for that much was a.... Mitsubishi Mirage. I said "No thanks, I would rather walk".
They are not that bad. I used to use my mums, got it when she passed away but I had a Grand Cherokee so gave it to my niece for her first car. Though I think Doug saying it does 0-60 in 11 seconds I think he meant 0-40. To get to 60 my guess would be about 16 seconds. Putting the foot down doesn't do anything with that stupid CVT which is the main reason I got rid of it. As a manual I think it would be respectable.
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Funniest thing I've seen in a while. 😂
They're really not THAT bad
I work for a Toyota dealer in Washington state and right now we have a $16,500 customer cash incentive on the BZ4X for a Lease. You can go to a Toyota dealer and look for an XLE front wheel drive model And get it for under $300 a month with zero money down. If you have good credit. The front wheel drive has more range & the XLe trim is the most cost-effective. They drive nice - not super fast and take 50 hours to charge with 120v BUT!!! for 240 a month I might get one. Lol 🤷♂️👍
No surprise seeing the mirage on this list. Oh how far mitsubishi has fallen.
Look up the MSRP of a Mirage, and wince in pain
Crazy considering how many bangers they had throughout the 90s and early 2000s
The Outlander PHEV is good at least
Slightly unfair. At least it's pretty reliable. For $8 to 9k a used 30k mileage Mirage will get people to work on time for a decade. An $8k Corolla or Civic is often beat to s#it.
Sad 😢
They used to have pretty cool cars.
Lancer evo, Galant, Sigma, Saporro, Starion, Eclipse, 3000gt...Even some of the older mirages were ok. A bit like a civic in the late 90's
Three constants.
Death, taxes, and Doug’s dislike of the Mirage.
TAXATION IS THEFT.
He’s right though. The Mirage makes sense in a market like, say, India. New cars are unobtainably expensive, and the government forces older models to be scrapped often. In the US market, every time I see a Mirage, I immediately think of 20 used cars for the same price that are better equipped and more reliable. It’s buying new just for the sake of having new un-farted-in seats lol.
@@80PercentAshamedOfU Buying used is risky since there's no warranty. You may need to fork out an extra 5k for a new engine or transmission. Also the Mirage isn't sold in India since Indian carmakers make much better alternatives like the Tata Punch, Tata Nexon, Mahindra Scorpio etc.
I'm worried that he's ignoring maintenance and repair. Anyone buying a versa thinking they'll spend more over a 15 year ownership period over a mirage is in for a rude surprise.
Most dealerships have a warranty. Do your research.
Thank you for making my morning Doug. You need to do more of these!
Doug, just got out of a scary week in hospital and i really needed a laugh. You provided quite a few, thank you. Cheers from Maroochydore Queensland
Doug has 0 fears. “You can’t cancel me” he says, “someone on cars and bids will lend me one of your cars regardless of what you say” he quips.
Doug is both the hero we want and the hero we deserve!
Ok doug
You are illogical. Why would anyone give their "to be sold car" so someone can advertise it how bad it is. Are you ok?
Stop…. 🤢
Just don't call the XM the
"Ultimate ENDLESS MONEY PIT"
Here's a good one:
2024 Sierra 1500 $60k sticker price
-4 Cylinder engine
-No sunroof
-No leather
-No running boards
-No blind spot monitor
-No bed liner
-No rear wheel well liners
-No Bose audio
-Manual up passenger/rear passenger windows
-no rear sliding window
-Manual passenger seat adjustment
-No mounted center console
Probably for fleets and a dealer will be happy to knock money off the price for commercial buyers
How do you fall for a trim package thats 60 grand and is basically a work truck lol you vote democrat too, dont you?
That sounds like an ideal truck, idk maybe I don't need a 4x4 luxury minivan to do 'real truck' things
@NSUGS I agree aside from the 60k price tag, if I wanted a base model rugged truck I wouldn't be spending 60k loll
Thanks Biden!
Work at a Buick dealer (not a salesman, just a job) I disagree with the opinion on the Encore GX mostly due to the fact that the GX has the option of AWD, taller trunk for cargo room, and as a taller person (6'3") I find it more comfortable to sit in. Not to mention for a lot of older people (lets be honest, they are a lot of the customer base who likes Buick) they find it very easy to get into. The Envista is designed to be a sportier/nicer looking base model, while the Encore GX is meant to be a bit roomier and more capable, with the addition of more options for things like sound system, AWD, packages, etc.
My friend bought a 2017 Mirage G4 (the sedan) in late 2017 as the 2018s were coming out, he got it for $9,995. That was even him opting for the auto, the manual one was $8,995 at the same dealer. This was in Vancouver, WA. He specifically bought it after buying a used Acura that ended up being terrible. He had it for about 4 years before his wife wrecked it. He never had any issues with it, and his wife liked it so they ended up buying her one too, but she got the hatchback. I have to say, getting 40 mpg on the highway was pretty nice.
The things that make a car "bad" these days are a LOT different than what made them bad in the Pinto days.
That's partly why people say there are no more bad cars.
In terms of bad cars, these days, bad cars are FAR better than what they were.
There's still bad engine designs with bad ball bearings and low oil pressure.
@robertulrich3964 I mean, most of these 'bad' components still last about as long as most cars from the Pinto era, and are far from being a universal failure.
@@robertulrich3964 things that are not obvious from the start really.
Everything with plastic engine components in it are bad cars
@@coltringcoltring7448 so everything since 1938 or so has been a bad car, then?
The bZ4X is Akio Toyoda's answer to every board member who kept pressing that they must get a slice of the EV market. It's intentionally bad just to be the "I told you so" car to prove Toyota's bet on hybrids is better than full electrification.
Honestly I like that idea
"here it is... it sucks... can we step off the ev train now?"
@@antiLGTBQ Toyota is against EV's for one reason. They're aware it will effect their bottom line and profits. They're currently Number 1 and are fully aware that this transition could completely disrupt the order of things. Meanwhile Chevy has an electric truck that goes 440 Miles (230 towing) an AWD electric Blazer for 45K and soon an equinox that costs around 30K after incentives. Toyota is going all or nothing with their strategy of resisting EV's. Market share went from 3% last year to over 7% this year, next year its projected to cross 10% market share. Toyota is going to miss A LOT of sales because of their resistance. Except the 5% of the US population that's glued to fox news, suddenly they will love a foreign car company just to make a political statement.
Sounds good. I prefer ICE.
@@kylea2437 You showed your lack of a brain when you equated that the only people who would stick with Toyota are Fox viewers. Or maybe intelligent people who know a hybrid makes more sense vs electric, especially on long journies or super cold regions and no one is close to Toyota/Lexus in quality. While some States, like California, will outlaw ICE vehicles, some red states will not do that as fast. Your mind hasn't even grasped how large cities are going to be able to not only build enough chargers but also handle the load on the energy grid. But Biden lovers don't really think deeply about technology disrupting economies vs virtue signaling that you're saving the environment. You have Brits who are paying so much for electricity now that the gov capped their elec bills at around 5,000 quid or USD 8,000 a year. They shuttered their few oil rigs at sea, their nuclear and bet on Putin, and also tried to go green. Now they are paying the price, with their standard of living. My friend in the UK has insane electric bills. I pay abour 20% of what he does and I am in the Midwest.
Toyota is laughing at all the governments rolling back the EV adoption goals. Lmao.
I worked at a Mitsubishi, and I was baffled by how many people buy that Mirage.
The Mitsubishi training also said one of The many reasons they stopped the Evolution was because the Mirage outsold the Evolution.
Objectively it does not make sense to buy any Audi, when you can buy a technically identical Volkswagen or Skoda for much less money. But somehow there are lots of people who must drive an Audi. And they are even willing to pay much more for it. I guess the Volkswagen company is smart.
I love the fact that Doug has enough cred and critical mass now that he can just be super blunt and honest 😂 but I also love how upset he genuinely seems when referring to these cars
Well he owns his own car sales company so he doesn't have to rely on manufacturer deals.
Big thanks to him and all the youtubers hating the Subaru Solterra. Thanks to them, I got a $329 lease with $329 down on this commuter car that I charge at home and could care less about the relatively slow DC fast charging.
@@ytubela ya man, that car didn't fit on the list to me. Maybe some people just want a Japanese car feel in electric form. Toyota dealer experience, dash, Interior etc. Not everyone cares about HP and range, because most people use 120hp and 100mi range.
I genuinely thought the Fisker Ocean was gonna be on here but ig Doug’s assumed they’re gone already 😂
I’m glad he stuck to established brands with this list. Fisker Ocean is too easy pickins
No, he is right - the Toyota bz!!!?4X? And the Audi Etron Q4 are even worse than the Fisker, even considering the company might be going bankrupt.
@@ewadge I would agree the only real problem with the Fisker beside them going out of business is their software. And to be fair most of the other companies are having software issues other than Tesla and a few others.
yep and vinfast
@@danielstefanovic2604 I think the biggest downfall of vinfast was you buy the vehicle at an MSRP price but then you need a battery to drive the vehicle which was a subscription fee. It turned a lot of people off, myself included
I will say one thing for the Mitsubishi Space Star (Not sure if thats the same model as the Mirage). For that price ($9000 US), you get a reliable new car with 6 years of warranty. For someone who just needs a set of wheels to get to and from work, i considered it. (as a second car)
Agreed with with all EXCEPT the Mirage. It is a SUPER reliable vehicle, yes it is VERY cheap, BUT it will start every day, simple and easy to maintain. You will never find a mirage owner that would complain about its reliability. Nissan versa on the other hand, well... Let's just say Nissan and CVT should have never been married.
This is the best version of Doug we have ever seen. Absolutely perfect. Loving the new material - and most of all thanks for sharing more of your personality and humor with us. The comment about Mitsubishi making fun of the poor had me rolling 😂
Not sure if he was being dramatic when saying the Toyota brzx could be leased of $99 a month with nothing down or not but it was hilarious to me
@@iosgaming2824 Not sure if what he said was literally true, but... Doug is ALWAYS being dramatic.
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Doug is absolutely right about the Mirage. For about $17,000-$19,000 at current market rates, basically the same price as a Mirage, you can get a dealership-maintained 2020 Honda Fit LX with under 20,000 miles, and it will ride considerably better, be far more refined, will still get great fuel economy, have better handling with accurate steering, feature a more versatile and larger interior with the magic seats and will do 0-60 in sport mode in a bit over 8 seconds. Basically enough to quickly get up to freeway speeds, which is what you want in a commuter car.
I unfortuantely had to rent a Mirage last year when I was overseas, as it was the only vehicle left on the lot, and it felt quite sketchy and borderline unacceptable with its acceleration. Especially going up hills, it struggled. I couldn't imagine trying to merge onto a freeway with short entrance ramps, like I-10 through the San Gabriel Valley in Los Angeles County. A 1990 Honda Accord or mid-90's Toyota Camry offers you a far more compliant suspension and ride comfort over this piece of junk.
I actually live in the Los Angeles area, and also travel up to places like Big Bear often. I drive about 77 miles a day, mostly freeway. I've never had an issue with merging, always gets me up to 50-55 at the end of the onramp. I use about 40% throttle, or about 2,500 RPM. Just got back from a 259 mile drive, feel good. Went up to Big Bear on the CA-38, elevation 8,500 feet. I had max capacity in the car nearly, about 750 pounds. It was slow at the top, still made it good. Slow and steady.
It can keep up with traffic if you dig into the throttle, but I try to save gas, and keep it about 1,800 to 2,200 RPM. So went about 30 MPH up the hill. But you can go 50-55 if you want.
Also the Mirage steering is very accurate, at least mine is. Maybe your rental had bad experiences in the past? Not sure. And the rear seats also fold down, 60/40 split.
A Honda Fit rides better than something?
That used 4-5 year old Fit is out of warranty while a new Mirage has a 10 year warranty, big difference
@@sachinnair91my local Mitsubishi dealer gave up on trying to run their own service department. They outsourced their warranty work to a handful of independent shops (I don’t think they were offering anything other than warranty work). One of those shops was having a hard time getting $$ for their work.
It may not be a bad thing overall (assuming they pay), but I’d never heard of such a scenario.
Doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in the warranty……
@@sachinnair91 would rather have a car that won’t likely need warranty than a car that will definitely need it.
This is speculation based on second information, but I would imagine that that Audi is more expensive than the Tesla because it has better build quality and interior (going on the companies' reputations). So though the Model Y definitely has advantages, just those figures may not be the whole story as far as comparing them goes. Happy to hear from people who have experience with these cars
As a BZ4X owner myself, it pains me, but he's 100% correct. The range is sub-par, cold weather charging is an absolute joke, the tech offered pales in comparison to other manufacturers. Personally(and I may be alone in this) but I like the styling myself.
But the BZ4X is a clear example of a failed EV experiment.
All that said, it was a massive upgrade from what I had before, and I love it to bits 😂
Before seeing the video:
- has to be a Crossover or SUV
- has to be a Mitsubishi
- some weird EV experiment
- Chinese knockoffs
- GM being GM
Chinese cars aren’t even sold in the us 😅
4/5. Not bad at all.
@@lorili6885they are but usually rebadged.
@@Bobspineable isn't the buick a chinese car
@@lorili6885 Lotus is sorta a Chinese car now
Everybody has that "inner Whisltin diesel".
🤣
He is a legend
no thanks buddy. were not all rednecks with more money than brains.
I used to hate him, but then I thought about how much fun I would have doing that, and now I am on board.
Yuck, that dude is an obnoxious moron.
It should be noted that Mirage is no longer the cheapest car on sale, you can get a base model Nissan Versa for 14k for an arguably better quality
Thank you for helping the community!
I am an Australian. Back in 1999 I purchased a Mitsubishi Mirage 5 speed manual hatch. Absolute best car I have ever owned. Zippy, very reliable, great on fuel and well made. 25 years old now. Doesn't miss a beat. How vehicle manufacturing has now changed.
Was the Cyborg model.
How has it changed?
My friends 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage has 503,000 KM on it, with the CVT. Still running like a clock. He recently replaced the engine as it was getting a bit loud, still ran great though.
@@extralock1045 I bet he got extremely lucky.
I live in Australia also... that generation of the Mirage, was a ripper - that would be a 3 door. I've had the misforture to drive a couple of the recently discontinued 'current gen' Mirage (like the one in the USA) and they were dire. Awful to drive, awful build quality, gutless - just nasty.
Just dropping by to say how much I’ve appreciated the return of these Sunday informal discussion style videos!
Yeah, same here! I love these videos! ❤️
That's crazy because the mirage used to be like $14k and that was what was so hype about them.
The money factor sucks, so even at 18k, you're spending more per month than a toyota or honda that starts nearly $10k higher.
The Audi is just an ID.4 And what you described is every legacy EV maker vs Tesla.
Surprised the Mazda MX-30 didn't get a mention... 92 miles range at $35k.
Did Mazda end up putting a rotary engine range extender in those?
@@TheMsdos25it got discontinued
@@CaseyGpdx Figures. I feel like the MX-30 is in the same boat as the BZ4X: A subpar EV rushed to market to shut the board members up. With the range extender it _might_ have been able to carve out a niche, but with just 100Mi of range it was never going to sell.
@@TheMsdos25 Fun fact about the MX-30 range-extender - if you start with a full battery and full fuel tank, and drive until both are depleted, you get a worse MPG figure than you would in the Mazda CX-30, a pure non-hybrid petrol car.
Mazda somehow made a range-extender hybrid less efficient than their nearly identical petrol alternative.
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I love how much doug hates the bz4x 😂
Because there is no point to it. Half baked solution. Also what kind of name is that.
@@battlefield3112011 Very typical of an EV attempt from a Japanese marque. No real commitment or desire to sell them.
Still, bet Toyota are glad they poured billions into their hydrogen project. Sold 3,700 Mirais last year. Wow!
they should make an EV 4-runner and call it E-Runner.
bZ4X*
Well, Lexus RZ EV from Toyota isnt any better. rediculous price and horrible range 😁
lol, after seeing this, I went down to my local Toyota dealership and leased a bZ4x for $280 a month and 0 down. That’s cheaper than leasing a base model Corolla on a car that costs $50k. Honestly, it’s probably the best deal out there right now. Thanks, Doug!
I’d say the Mirage is probably the fifth best car for sale in the US. Bulletproof reliability, high MPG, quite comfortable if you aren’t 6’ 5’’ and you don’t weigh 220+ lbs
Doug don’t forget the Encore is available with AWD and Envista is FWD only. Probably why both are being sold
I was thinking that one is a ‘traditional’ SUV shape and the other is a ‘coupe’. Everyone seems to have both options running simultaneously too.
Yeah, the Encore and Envista are re-badged Chevy Trailblazer and Trax, respectively (AWD vs FWD). Still not defending them, I think all 4 vehicles are downgrades from their competitors
Yup. I thought of this instantly
This whole episode was hilarious start to finish! Savage Doug is pretty refreshing.. until he got around to Buick. Had a brand new '21 GX Preferred after trading in a base RAV4. Loved it over the RAV4! Well.. until it got totaled on Christmas. Found an '18 Encore. Love it way more. Wouldn't touch an Envista, would rather step up to a new GX Avenir down the road and keep the old Encore Essence. Proven updated styling, solidly built. Well-appointed for what it is. Needless to say, my heart hurt a little - all good.
Yeah man and the interiors are actually exactly the same 😂 not sure what he was on with that one but seems like he shortened the research on that segment. Love the dude but not a good look.
If I don’t see a Stellantis product on here, I’ll be severely disappointed
Be disappointed
Get ready to cry
They aren't bad at all but ok
Yeah I was sort of shocked the fiat 500 wasn’t in the list
@Aaron-gb3pe they don't make and it's not even terrible. People hate on Stellantis for no reason
Hey Doug…. The encore is not the old Buick envista. The envista unlike the encore is a coupe styled suv with one engine and fwd only.. the encore can be had with different drivetrains and awd making a completely different suv which is why Buick is still offering it.
I ended up buying an encore over the envista for this reason. It's kinda like the same as a trax vs a trailblazer.
3 minutes in, and this is already my favorite Doug video of all time 😭
Thank you for calling out the XM. I have been livid about it ever since it got unveiled. HOW do you make a "dedicated" M vehicle slower than the much cheaper X5M?
I think the point of it was to add a vehicle that is hybridized/ electric in order to follow the emissions regulations. Otherwise I see no point of it.
*How do you make one version of the XM slower than the X5M, is what you and what seems like a lot of others are confused about. There’s a performance version of the XM called the Label. It is indeed faster than the X5M, Urus Performante and very closely matches the Cayenne GT. However the XM is much more than just performance. It’s a statement SUV. No one will be racing them around town.
Meh. They seem to still be selling quite well, although people claim they aren’t. After doing some research, I’m sure BMW is pretty happy with the outcome.
Toyota made the bz4x bad on purpose, I'm positive. They didn't want to make electric vehicles for a long time and it seems they made it just to say "SEE? the future is hybrids and hydrogen!" They released the rav4 hybrid almost at the same time to highlight their point even more.
Toyoda and his loyalists almost certainly sabotaged the project from day 1. And, by making such a bad car, they managed to back the new management into such a corner that they had no choice but to fall back to making more hybrids for half a decade or more because they had to start over from zero on their EV architecture. It's the same thing with the PHEVs, Toyoda purposely limited production of the best vehicles Toyota makes rather than sourcing more batteries and retooling factories because he was all in on standard hybrids and hydrogen. There is a reason he's gone now, and it's not hard to see why. He set the company back a decade and reduced their value in the market substantially as a result.
@@jaturnley Toyota HEV sales contradict your statement.
And, it seems they may be right, at least for now. EVs are still very expensive to build, the batteries, for now, still need materials that are nightmare to get and PR disaster and are not viable to replace, the range/charge time is still unsatisfactory and the infrastructure isn't quite there even for today's number of vehicles, let alone if all cars will be EV.
On top of that the R&D of EVs took so much resources that the traditional manufacturers who previously had upper hand over Tesla in everything else except propulsion and a giant tablet, are now falling behind even the Chinese, and are struggling to make profits on any market that does not offer heavy government incentives.
Meanwhile Toyota end Mazda continue to sell IC/hybrids easily and are waiting for others to do the hard work - when time comes, they're big enough to just buy a supplier that has the tech. In the meantime they can research other tech that nobody else have money for anymore, which might get them upper hand, in case of success.
How many committees and decision points are there from going from concept drawing to showroom floor and nobody stopped to say "this is just plain awful". It had to be deliberately bad but could you imagine being an engineer assigned to this project ? "We know you're all nerds who like to work on cutting edge technology but make this car lousy in every possible aspect. Benchmark the competitors for range, charge time and acceleration, then make sure this is worse. Make the driver ergonomics so unusable that buyers will dream of the austere Model Y cockpit. And of course make it so ugly that even its mother would take it out back and shoot it out of sympathy. We'll then pass it on to marketing and tell them to sell it for thousands more than anything else ... that should teach a lesson to all those who say EVs are the future".
@@ezustnyil8414 It's hard to contradict something without any evidence to counter it. The Prius Prime and RAV4 Prime are unobtanium, they sell them as fast as they make them. But they don't make many of them, because of Toyoda management decisions about batteries and factory allocation. There's a good chance that PHEVs would be taking a big bite out of HEV sales if they had them to sell, but Toyoda didn't want to prove that battery tech was the future so he made sure they couldn't.
Best part about the mirage, it uses special ultra small tires no one stocks. You end up paying the same as truck tires because they need to order in.
The most amazing fact is that BZ4X were offered on lease for $99/mth with NOTHING down!! That leasing deal is virtually for free!!
Doug the type of guy to now have "Eff You" money. "Y'all scared? I'LL say it!"
Mitsubishi Mirage: I recently added a fourth one to my driving school fleet. The main reasons I like it is because 1) it is STILL a simple car; 2) it is easy to repair; 3) it has a $100K powertrain warranty; 4) 43 MPG city/hwy mixed has been my experience; 5 they have been remarkably reliable for us! Yeah, they're lousy if you have to take a long trip because they're a bit noisy and they are not the most comfortable, but they are great commuters and grocery getters!
What are you smoking! They’re slow, noisy, crap junk cans and have zero tech or features
Not everyone cares about tech or features. I don’t care about going fast when I’m only going on city roads. Why do you?
There are a few other cars out there that will satisfy you’re 1-4
Maybe in isolation those things are true, but compared to a used Corolla or something for the same money as a new Mirage? That seems like a better car in every way
@@majist0the mirage is overpriced crap
I had an old client exactly do this with Buick. The Envista had just come out. She told me she's getting a new Buick, so I was stoked expecting her to get the Envista. She chose the Encore GX in Blue - not even avenir trim. She came in for a meeting, and I got to look around it. It's incredibly underwhelming, considering I have a 15' encore.
To be fair, these comparisons are on paper. 10 years from now what is the resale value and build quality look like between the bZ4X and Model Y?
No way Doug mentioned @whistlindiesel future collab destroying a mirage? ;)
This is the third time he mentioned him!! We need a collab!
A collab with Mat Watson would be even greater..
Why don’t we just put all the car CZcamsrs in a room and see what chaos unfolds 😂
No, it's the Carrera GT behind him that will be destroyed.
@@caidee meh
The Mirage (aka Space Star) is way cheaper in Europe (starts around 12.000€) and very popular here, because it is basically one of the cheapest new cars you can get.
eu is considerably smaller than NA, europeans dont drive as much. even bad cars can last over there
The size works better in Europe too. Most American cities are designed such that a larger car is just as usable.
a dacia sandero for the same sort of money is a much better car.
@@hojnikb yes James may said so
@@0HOON0 wrong 100%
Nice review! Always good to hear someone who speaks the truth about the new shlt cars.
Thank you brotha
Love seeing this vids of Doug being real as hell. It’s so funny seeing him make jokes like that🤣
We need more videos like this Doug. The most honest car reviewer out there
The encore gx is only around because it’s available in AWD and the envista is FWD only. It also has more space, an exterior and interior redesign that looks pretty decent. It’s still not a great vehicle but I understand why they still build it being a Chevy/buick sales man in Minnesota we sell more encores than envista because of our environment so I certainly appreciate them
And just from lack of Buick options in general. Buick is only around to appease the Chinese market.
@@Sandvich42 100% true, it’s sad where they have fallen GM just doesn’t seem to care about them anymore
@@Sandvich42 and yet nowadays even the Chinese are dumping them and getting Buicks less and less. Even before the pandemic, Buick sales had begun falling there the two to three years prior. GM was so short-sighted keeping Buick around.
I think the Encore looks better than the Envista, and I suspect most Buick buyers would think so too.
The higher starting price is for the FWD version so his point is still valid. If Buick gave the Encore GX standard AWD and kept the same starting price it would make more sense.
I disagree with the Mirage... yes, it's a cheap eco box, it has nothing going for it.. but it's reliable, don't know why you say it isn't. The thing is... there is not much on it that can break ;) The list should be called 'cars I don't like'. Okay... the Buick, you may have a point there.
None of the non-Tesla EV players seem to have any idea about what they're competing with or why they're picking their price points. The Solterra/bz4x are out there for a pretty good deal, like basically new cars with a few thousand miles on them for less than $30k. Limited use cases for it, but nicer and more spacious than a Bolt/EUV for around the same price.
The mirage is stupid easy to work on though. Simple inline3 with no turbo is also super reliable. The versa is hot garbage with a junk engine. There are multiple things to think about before buying a car
Absolutely agree man. I just have a really hard time summoning respect for this guy. He evidently lives in lala land.
Yup! I drive about 27,000 miles a year, reliable and easy to work on is very high on the list of things I need. And also cheap on gas. Over the past 15,250 miles, I've averaged 51.3 MPG. Lots of freeway driving with some mountain driving. On the freeway I go 55 MPH, but it can go much faster, you can cruise at 80 MPH if you wanted.
nissan cvt is also a huge no thank you
exactly. a poor person is going to drive a car until it breaks. a versa breaks in 5 years. a mirage can last 20 if you care for it. care for a versa and get maybe 10 years max.
@@teddyboragina6437 I just watched a video where a mechanic tore down a mirage after racking stupid crazy mileage. It was somewhere around 400k I think
I would say the market is the exact opposite of "no bad cars" but rather a lot of bad cars. Nearly every brand is plagued with engine issues, transmission issues, cheap parts, plastic in place of metal alloys, corrosion issues and failures of the excess amounts of technology in every vehicle. Engines failing with under 1000 miles, transmission shudders and failures at low miles. There really isn't much for A-B cars anymore. The old-school Corolla's, Maxima's, Civics, Sunfire's, Cavaliers, Neon's, Focus' and so many more that were base-level technology, extremely reliable, cheap to drive and maintain and generally just great for those on a budget. Nearly every small car now is boosted, turbo failures are through the roof, top-end carbon build-up in Direct Injected engines. Let's also not forget that the high-pressure fuel pumps and injectors are more inline with a diesel for maintenance cost. Timing issues are rampant across many makes and models. Excessive oil consumption, PCV issues, broken spark plugs, head-gasket issues, water-pump failures it's insane. The number of vehicles I see mechanically totaled under 150k miles is unreal. The one's under 100k miles are even scarier. Longevity is something that many, especially used car buyers, care about immensely. I expect any well maintained vehicle to hit 200k miles without any catastrophic failures. Obviously there are lemons, and how you treat your vehicle makes a world of difference, but I think we are in an epidemic of vehicles that are being made with the cheapest sub-par parts, but being sold at astronomical costs that often don't even make it through the warranty period. There are few (I won't say none) new models that would reliably hit that target on the large majority of their vehicles driving down the road.
A brilliant and enlightening expose (of the Stateside repair experience ?)
We’ve been in a modern malaise era of cars for the past 10 years at least. Everything is about profits for the manufacturers and building the biggest ugliest cars for the lowest cost, and selling them for the highest price possible. All thanks to American consumer ignorance, lack of proper regulation for vehicles deemed as “light truck”, and good ol corporate greed. It’s a shame that modern consumers “only want” fat, top heavy, minivans with sloppy handling, high belt lines, poor visibility, iPad dashboards, 20 cameras and phone chargers, poor fuel economy, complex and expensive hybrid and AWD systems, useless ground clearance, ugly plastic fenders and an average price tag of $50.000, but thats the unfortunate world we live in today. What baffles me even more is that normie consumers just can’t seem to understand that we all deserve better as consumers. Not everyone wants or needs a crossover, and yet some manufacturers are even beginning to take that choice away from us.
@FreddyOJohnny This is almost exactly why I have grown to hate crossovers, SUVs and most pickups. It's sad how much the normie consumer will fold to the popular thing for status instead of looking at actually nice cars because "theyre small". I had a 2015 Ford Fusion SE base model and Ive never had an issue with it for anything. It can offroad well, it can go a decent speed, it has great gas mileage, it has tons of space, it was lots of comfortable luxury for a family sedan that seats 5 with almost as much storage as a pickup if the backseats are down. The internals are nearly flawless, the Duratec 1.5l and 2.5l are so reliable and strong that the entire chassis will fall into pieces before the engine needs a replacement. This is one example of cars that we DESERVE to have. I blame idiots for becoming crossover/suv/pickup losers amidst the crumbling economy that is only accelerated by their poor choices
Exactly what I'm saying to people. Malaise era 2.0 is real.
@@mystisith3984 i mean a ford 7.5L used to make 210 hp a 4 cylinder does that today
I have previously worked for Audi. And I have to say It was hard to be exited when it came to selling the Audi Q4s they are just a complete rip off for what you get as a vehicle. Underpowerd, poor design, No idea where it wants to be in the market.
“Have you ever walked into a dealership and said I know I can get the new model cheaper but want to spend more for the old model?”
*Enter Toyota body on frame enthusiasts*
A friend bought a Mirage back in the day for 14K, no problems in nine years at all and she drove all over the place. Where is the unreliable info? Might be slow and crappy looking but why make lies about being unreliable just because you hate it?
No matter how "unreliable" a certain car has a reputation for being, there are always going to be some owners who have had no trouble with theirs. Your friend is very lucky. In the same vein, I'm sure that there are people who bought the most reliable vehicle that Toyota has ever built, only to have problems upon problems with it.
@@jeffb.6642 Is not only her experience, I don’t see any reports of major issues unlike Hyundai Theta Engine, Chrysler vehicles in general or Nissans bad CVT … Doug can crap on Mitsu all he wants but please bring facts into the table don’t just spew BS because is not a popular car
@@jeffb.6642 The Mirage/Space Star in fact IS one of the most reliable cars. If there are problems it is probably with the CVT transmission, but manual is bullet proof.
Man that's ancedoctal as it gets. LOL. My friend of a friend had this car and it drove well for her 9 years ago. Ergo all Mirage's are reliable and has no problems.
@@JM-hw5oqThis mirage uses the same exact Nissan Jatco CVT, identical part number, which is exactly the point
Not only are most used cars better than a new Mirage, a used Mirage is better than a new Mirage because it doesn't involve lighting $3,000-$5,000 on fire for depreciation.
A new mirage has a 10 year powertrain warranty
Who wants the drive a mirage for 10 years lmao? Mitsubishi might replace your engine but they won’t help you when everything else breaks in 3 years
@@TheDarthFalcon Their bumper-to-bumper warranty is also the cheapest in north america
@@coryhigh87 Fun one, when I bought my Mirage in early October, 2023, the new Mirage was cheaper than some used ones on the local market with 20,000 miles! Haha. Thought that was insane. Now cheaper is used.
Probably still worth getting the new one if the price delta is that small.
Fun fact guys, Q4 e-tron in China right now has a huge discount and its starting price is about $28000(USD) without tax (can be even cheaper if u pay in installments , which is a killer deal and it's like $10000 cheaper than the Tesla Model Y in China. I guess the reason is the pressure from the Chinese EV brands and their very competitive cars.
The Mirage... I don't have it, but people still buying it, even you consider it a nightmare, horrible, simply bad. People getting it just want to have a totally new car, full warranty, good enough to take them to destinations not too far from their home... for short travel makes sense. If you need to travel for hours daily, get a bigger car. You are right, is horrible for people that can pay more and needs to travel a lot 😁
Audi's e-tron problem is range not price or hp. IDGAF if it has fewer hp than the Tesla. And the Audi is much better put together than the Tesla.
Absolutely.
Audi engineering struggles to come close to Tesla.
I am a tesla fan and i agree with you.
Agreed - I think the model Y definitely is a better buy than the Audi for the most part (like sure you’re not getting as good of a build quality and some other annoying Tesla features, but it is 10k cheaper) but I don’t think that is bad enough a sin to be put as the 3rd worst car you can buy imo. If you ignore the fact you can get the model y for less, I think it’s still a pretty solid car.
MKBHD said it best, Teslas have some of the best electric power trains money can buy, PERIOD, but their build quality, interiors, and other fine details that older, more established automakers gain through decades and even centuries of experience are going to be subpar for a while.
Jeep Renegade evading these ranking videos like a cockroach 💀
Jeep Renegade is no longer produced.
@@ducktails1695 Thank god.
This is so on point and thank you Doug for not pulling punches and calling these auto makers higher.
Love your content, followed you for so many years and alwayse trusted your opinion. I how one day I meet you in person to thank you face to face for the years of dedication with unbiased advices
The 4 Cylinder C63 AMG.
Not even a question.
The Doug vs Mitsubishi Mirage saga continues, lol. It's become a meme
The thing does suck though. You buy it for $18,000 then as soon as you leave the lot bouncing off the rev limiter going 45 on an uphill on-ramp it's worth $8,500.
The Doug DeMuroXwhistlindiesel crossover we never knew we needed
If you commute, the Mirage makes sense. It's the fuel-efficiency version of an old American pickup; strictly utilitarian, but EXCELLENT at the ONE thing it does. A Mirage is a second car that you use to drive 60 miles a day with, because your other car gets 25mpg highway and it's slightly safer than a motorcycle.
2:50 “So I can live out my inner whistlin diesel” 🤣😂
"Live out my inner WhistlinDiesel" has earned an instant like from me good sir
Would love to watch Doug destroy a Mirage😂
The Encore and Encore GX are completely different vehicles. The Encore is a subcompact SUV, in production for the 2013 to 2022 model years. The Encore GX is a "subcompact plus" sharing the same platform as the new Trailblazer, and was introduced for the 2020 model year. The Envista is a new subcompact that is replacing the original discontinued Encore.
The problem with most of these, especially the Mirage and Solterra is the price. My understanding is that the Mirage is actually fairly reliable, but it makes no sense when the Versa is available at the same price and the Versa with the manual transmission is going to be rock solid. At 12-13K with 0% financing, the Mirage would make sense for a lot of folks. Similarly, the Solterra/bz4x is priced to compete with Tesla/Hyundai/Kia where they are clearly outclassed, however it would take a dump on the Leaf and give the Bolt a run for its money if competitively priced.
I know a mirage with over 500 thousand k’s on the odometer, mostly highway use on cruise control, it’s never once broken down. That doesn’t make it good though haha
For the majority of people who aren't enthusiasts and just need a car to get from a to b, it's plenty good imo. Also stupid easy and simple to work on.
@@nootnoot9842 depends on where you live and how long your trips are.
@@CyAn-S Yeah, for those who aren't vanity queens... which is the target market for these "influencer" vids like Doug and his peers.
“the performance isn’t high, you are if you buy it” LMAO!
haha a weed joke! pot is cool and hip now!!111
The problem with comparing things to the Tesla Model Y in starting price is that standard Tesla’s are about as well equipped as the economy class section on a airliner
I've got a Solterra. Drove every EV on the market before making my decision and price was not a factor. I love it! It's comfortable, fun to drive, and has lots of BUTTONS and fits a bike in the back without too much fuss. People pay silly prices for economy cars from Mercedes, so let me enjoy my high end Chevy Bolt in peace 😊
The worst car I have ever driven was a 2022 Jeep Compass 1.3 4xe Plugin Hybrid
I gotta be honest, your review of the mirage made me want it. a tiny underpowered 90s car? sign me up! they honestly feel "cozy" to me.
Same, his original video is what got me into the Mirage, something old school. Then over 6 years I watched reviews, and finally decided to buy it. Been driving the wheels off it! 15,000 Miles since September 27th, 2023.
@@extralock1045 I worry that him saying the versa is a better option will end up leading to insane repair bills in a decade for people who buy one instead of a mirage.
I wish Mazda still sold the Mazda 2 over here and continued to update it. I like small cars like the Mirage, but have a hard time trusting anything with a CVT.
@@teddyboragina6437just remember… the versa doesn’t have SPORT MODE!!!😂
Doug, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the current EV market and the values of these newer cars, because I'd say new EVs are pretty terrible buying at the moment.
I work in Australia at a Hyundai and Kia dealership. We have brand new EV6 GTs slashed from $110k to $85k, EV9 GT-Lines from $140k down to $116k, 500x Ioniq 5 and 6 models aren't moving at all (and Hyundai is increasing the price for some reason), MG and BYD are doing huge discounts too...
Even Tesla is slashing Model 3 and Model Y prices left and right, nobody seems to be buying EV right as the manufacturers have suddenly dropped endless EV choices on the market.
I have my opinions that I think make sense on the matter, but I'd love to hear your thoughts!
It's funny that one of the cars in the Cars and Bids ad was a BMW XM, then he called it one of the worst cars.
Doug seems to think that the only parameters for an electric car are range and power. What if you don't like the horrendous Tesla interiors for example?
Then you look at the Mach-E
You get a Hyundai. How slowly the Toyota/Subaru thing charges compared to every other EV is ridiculous. My worst charging speed on my Ioniq 6 at an L3 is faster than the best the Solterra ever gets.
When you sit in a bZ4X and find that the steering wheel is blocking your view of the display you'll know it was a feeble attempt. No other Toyota in recent memory has that many compromises from weird styling choices to missing gloveboxes to a sea of piano black.
@@-Jethro- ..and the fake carbon, and you go: 'Nope, not for me.' But I did not buy a Tesla because of a) those interiors, and b) Elon is a git.
Right? I'm not in the market for SUVs but If I was I would 100% pay 10k more for the audi over that tesla. Looks sooooo much better, and I'm sure the interior and quality is way higher too
I'm surprised that Vinfast or Fisker didn't make the list, but they're even easier to pick on than the Mirage.
Our car was stolen, and our insurance company supplied us with a Mitsubishi Mirage. I've had smoother running lawn mowers.😊
Just bought the wife an envista. She loves it. Most people don’t realize it’s a good combo. 6 spd auto and 3cylinder turbo. The down low torque is sufficient and many times you don’t even need throttle to maintain speed. It’s not a race car, but it’s very efficient, has excellent manners and is quite sharp for the price. I’m happy I bought it for her. She has an outstanding warranty and parts should be cheap in the coming years 😊
I think Doug is a little mistaken when it comes to the Buick lineup, which I don't blame him, GM has done a terrible job with Buick in North America.
So there is the Buick Encore and then there is the Buick Encore GX.
The Buick Encore was based on the same platform as the Chevy Trax, and the redesigned Chevy Trax has now turned into the Buick Envista. The standard Buick Encore and the terrible last generation Chevy Trax are no longer sold.
The Buick Encore GX is on the same platform as the Chevy Trailblazer, which arguably isn't that bad of a car. Both of these car are still sold. So they basically have the same exact lineup as Chevy when it comes their small SUVs.
Source: GM Dealer Technician
What's the number one mechanical problem with the Envista's and would you buy one?
If the envisaged is the new trax platform that would also mean it’s not available in AWD since the new trax is FWD only correct?
@@PresidentMcAwesomesauce That is correct, they're both only front wheel drive. So it's only the Encore GX and Trailblazer that have the all wheel drive.
@@BStreet666 So these are using a revised version of the engine in the Encore GX, which has had some reliability issues early on, but they seem to have fixed them. It's hard to say this early on if they'll be reliable though. I'd say that as long as you are on top of maintenance, it should be reliable to at least 80k miles. The reception of the Envista has been really good so far, they drive pretty well and has a pretty decent interior for the money. The only thing about the more recent GM vehicles is that their interior fabrics and materials seem to wear out pretty quickly, like the steering wheel leathers looks shiny after 30k miles and the foam in the seats fail after 60k or so miles depending on the vehicles. Granted most of those things can be avoided if you just take care of the car.
TLDR: If you do the recommend maintenance and take care of it, it's reliable. Would I buy one? I personally think the Encore GX looks better, and it also just got a refresh, so I'd probably buy that over the Envista, but that wouldn't stop me from recommending that someone buys it.
I work for a Subaru dealership in WA state.
The Solterra is a Subaru in name only, our salespeople hate dealing with them, especially at the price point it's set at, and Toyota looks like it purposely half assed it's engineering with Subaru, just to justify the 20+ years it spent on it's hybrid technology, Not only is Toyota kicking and screaming about EV's it's dragging Subaru down with, and believe me, Subaru has been a shell of itself for a few years now.
:( Its so sad watching subaru slowly become "offroad toyota for pacific north-westerners". I used to love my GTB legacy. Such a fun car to drie.
They’ve been slowly becoming just another brand, when they had so much personality as a brand, early 2000’s was peak Subaru, with good value/sporty offerings that truly defied refinement and quality for the price. Recently bought an SK forester, love it for what it is, but it’s definitely something more generic, decided on it specially when I saw the next gen Forester, they even copied ford design. They truly lost their way.
I see the point with appealing to the masses instead of enthusiasts, but they really let us down slowly until fading, only the WRX and BR-Z are the reminiscent of what they once represented.
where are subaru's hybrids?
Subaru is what people who used to be Camry drivers are driving now.
90% chance that when someone is doing 10 below and is accelerating at a glacial pace, they're in a Subaru
only lesbians drive Subaru
The only place I saw and have seen the Toyota/Subaru electrics is in Dublin when they’re being used as taxis, though seriously subsidized. Tells you something.
Tesla has been around for about 12 years now if you think of the original model S. That is, in terms of a normal passenger car.. It seems like Toyota learned nothing from them, and refused to accept any of the standards that have been established. I mean, no regen? Literally everything else has that. My stupid little leased Bolt seems like a supercar next to these.
You didn’t mention the bZ4X problems in call weather 😂 the range drops more than 50% in cold temperatures.
They all do. Hot weather too.
@@daleolson3506Yes but it’s hotter to warm the battery than to cool it down and the bZ4X has the worse warm system in the segment 😅 I watched a video explaining all the mistakes that they made with this car.
yeah man lmao that’s not true, i work at a toyota dealer and agree with everything doug said about it being ugly, bad power, poor range relatively speaking, poor tech and too expensive; it doesn’t lose anywhere close to 50%
@@micklemore so how much it loses?? 🤔 49%? 38%? Or 30%? Let me tell you that any choice is bad…that’s the worse Electric SUV ever. That’s why you can’t sell them and won’t sell them…that’s a fact !!
@@daleolson3506 no not all of them. If you have a heat pump in your car to regulate temps you get a 15%-20% drop in the cold. Toyota didn't bother putting a heat pump in, they're gonna Nissan leaf the whole thing