Subaru WRX vs Elantra N, Civic Si, and VW GTI | You Can't Lose
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- We do a comparison review of the 2022 Subaru WRX, Hyundai Elantra N, Honda Civic Si, and VW GTI to crown the winners and losers. We discuss the pros and cons of everything these generations have to offer and show the technical breakdown of each. While there are other sporty cars available like the Nissan Z, Toyota GR86, and Ford Mustang, these four cars are very similar in price and deliver affordable fun.
#cars #bestcars #comparison
Index:
00:00 Intro Drag Race
1:00 The Story and Format
2:09 Interior Impressions Civic Si
3:16 Interior Elantra N
4:34 Interior GTI
5:52 Interior WRX
7:46 Mechanical Impressions Elantra N
10:11 Mechanicals Civic Si
12:28 Mechanicals VW GTI
14:40 Mechanicals WRX
17:24 Driving Impressions WRX
21:05 Driving Elantra N K Pop Edition
25:35 Driving Civic Si
29:40 Driving VW GTI
31:40 Final Thoughts and Laptimes - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Thank you so much for doing this video. I'm sick of $50-$70,000 supra's and BMWs being labeled as the "affordable car" comparisons on all the other channels
Well do you want a sports car or an economy car? Sounds like a you problem
@Sohc_Vtec when he said he was watching videos of Supra’s and BMW’s you clown. Reread his comment if you’re struggling so much.
@Sohc_Vtec oh is the Civic and WRX super high performance cars to you? 🤣 goofy man….goofy…. They’re economy cars bud
@Sohc_Vtec oh is the Civic and WRX super high performance cars to you? 🤣 goofy man….goofy…. They’re economy cars bud
I so agree, though with the median car price being near $40k, it's hard to define affordable. Below median price? Under $50k? I think the group they selected makes a lot of sense, with all under $35k. I do wish they had done a better job of defining who they were intending this for. Mark may ne able to afford a high-performance weekend car, but that's an expensive extra most people won't have. Jack can get a little nutty about German cars, but at least he was clear that they had to be cars that worked on the street as a primary vehicle.
The Elantra is mildly compromised as a daily driver, but not that much. It's still reasonably quiet driven normally, and the ride isn't so stiff as to be painful. With the DCT it's an even better daily driver. For me the ridiculous controls would drop the GTI out of contention. I like the styling and have always loved the size and boxy hatchback, but that's not enough. The Subaru is improved, and if I lived in a harsh climate the AWD might sell me on it, but it still looks like the previous generation, which looked horribly dated, too. That interior is nasty, the trunk is not great, and the infotainment is weak. It would be great if that engine and AWD system was under a better car, something like the Civic Si. The Honda would be very tempting because of its smoothness, ease of use, spaciousness, low price, and high gas mileage. As an everyday car it would be super appealing, if uncompetitive as a performance car. I also wish it came as a hatchback. Guess I have to get an Integra, or wait for the R. That may be a little too hardcore for daily use, but maybe Honda will solve that dilemma.
The Gran Turismo nostalgia baked in 😭
@Rapunzel ♪ What the fuck?
OMG Greg is awesome to see you here. Love your channel!
Finally it has arrived...
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Exactly what I thought. I miss those days where I’d do endurance races in GT3 all night.
@@drummeralex9198 Being a car enthusiast is like being a power-tool enthusiast.
Having driven the N multiple times along with civics and the wrx, I really like the N, it's fast, the exhaust sounds incredible, and the interior is comfortable and clean. It's fun to drive but still practical.
This is how I sum it up as well. It’s just fun and practical and it works for me as a daily driver.
@@stabshimi976 only downside is the small gas tank I would say imo
@@almightykevinnn tbf I think the Si, GTI, and EN all have a similar 13 gallons. Which puts the EN on par with the WRX in terms of range per tank while being cheaper to fill
@@Courtesyflush52 even tho it’s 93 ?
@@almightykevinnn I think the WRX and EN both recommend 91 as per the manuals/ gas caps
This comparo ushers in a new era of SG greatness! So well done and entertaining. Just make every future video a comparo - I'm sure it's no more difficult to do than a single car review. I mean, you've already got the cameras rolling...
Proud to be a SG Patreon supporter!
That call out to every other car comparison channel was glorious
It's also a call out to viewers who are basic enough to make those videos popular.
@Michael Charity you might feel triggered by my comment, but the nature of successful media is to be sociopathic and pander to what people want to see and hear, not necessarily what the creator wants to convey. I might hate the game, but I don't hate the players. Savage Geese choose specific formats despite that they see other channels finding success at what Jack and Mark find a little distasteful.
I immediately thought of carwow
@Michael Charity weird flex but okay.
@Michael Charity you confuse what people want versus what people will tolerate.
The winner meets a rental Altima at 6pm for a SUDDEN DEATH final round of this comparison.
...nahhh, sudden death matches happen at midnight on a low traffic highway...6pm is the pre-match trash talking
I bought a 2011 Elantra with the six speed manual. I now have 263,000 miles on it. It does not use oil, runs very well. I’m happy with it. Two days ago, I bought a 2023 Elantra N with the 6 speed manual in the performance blue. Only 56 miles on it now.
Bringing on Mr. Casey to start setting lap times is a brilliant idea.
You're only solidifying your credibility & quality work of work by adding this crucial element to your reviews.
Attentive film-making, drone shots, uninvasive musical scores, connections to press cars & brand reps, your own track to test on, your own merch, confidence in your own humor, and now a pro driver who can consistently set lap times to compare cars.
I'm blown away, Mark, you've come so far from back when you were making videos on your FR-S. I wonder what's next, but I know it will be good, I wish you and your whole team the best. ✌🏼
As we get older, we cannot ignore the importance seats that provide adequate ball clearance. So important...
Why? Does your balls hang low, can you throw them over your shoulder... 🎵 🎶
Got rid of my balls to increase my lap times.
I showed this video to my Nigerian prince penpal and he was so impressed he sent me enough money to become a Patron. Thanks for all the work you guys do, we know it runs you ragged and often doesn’t provide the returns it should but the automotive world would be less without the Geese.
the CIVIC is t best looking ... ELANTRA N is the best performer ...
Lol
Love this. This is the group of cars that's most relevant in my life and kind of what really got me into cars in the first place (the last gen at least). Love the break down. They all really have their own place and there's a solid place for each one in the market I feel. And kudos to these automakers for keeping affordable enthusiast cars alive.
I’ve been a Honda tuner for a long time and lately a Subaru fan the last 3 years. Always liked the GTi.. but I never thought I’d consider a Hyundai as a true Sports car. Great video guys! Keep up the awesome work. 👏🏻
LOL good luck tuning the elantra. Those engines grenade and can't handle power
@@42cubastop the cap. 😂
The Elantra N drives like a proper sports car. i cannot believe how well they nailed it with this car. The steering is just chef's kiss 👌
The Elantra N beat all similar cars on autocross track with multiple drivers switching cars constantly. Including BMW M240 I, GR 86, Subaru WRX, MX-5.
@@NewCastleIndiana is this a video on CZcams or something that happened at your local club?
@@punkindrublic001 I am unaware of any publicly available video. I don’t have any local club. Not sure anyone would want to be identified. I likely do have photo of timing sheet, though. You can email me and I can see if I got something I can share.
@@NewCastleIndiana thanks bud, got it! Not sure how you found me on SD however
@@punkindrublic001 trying to find somewhere to drop that for you. I have fuelly, too! you need to follow SD's "Official Auto Car Ride & Drive Events:"
Finally, non super-car content. Excellent cinematic quality work here.
Exactly. I hate the videos for the top .1% of people who can afford them. The reality is that this is what the majority of enthusiast are buying nowadays. It has to take the kids to school and be able to hit the track. This is just the reality for the 99.9% of us.
Agreed! The super car head-to-heads actually get boring after a while. You start to realize there's a lot of overexaggerating for the camera which makes it feel like you're watching a kid's show.
Idk about you but this channel doesnt seem to focus all that much on super cars. Very wide variety of cars. Though I tend to watch more of the affordable end than anything else. Rarely am I interested in high end cars (100k+).
Such an interesting perspective. It goes to show you how highly respected reviewers can have radically different opinions and that at the end we need to make the final call based on our wants/needs.
Thank you guys for making this video! Absolutely the most beneficial video I've seen from anybody for affordable performance cars. All points were touched on.
You guys outdid yourselves with this multi-car review - really nice job in describing the technical characteristics and the relative merits (and disadvantages) of each vehicle. Would love to see a similar comparison in the future that includes the GR Corolla.
A Golf R, new Civic Type R, and GR Corolla comparison would be fantastic.
Yes! These comparison videos take a lot more work I imagine, but provide lots of value. I feel it's difficult to compare feedback of similarly rated cars between different videos. Having it done as comparison in a single video takes the guess work out of the picture. That's a real value add.
the CIVIC is t best looking ... ELANTRA N is the best performer ...
@@thepiratepenguin_ I can't imagine what a 1.6 liter, 3-cylinder turbo would sound like on a 10-hour road trip.
But - I can imagine having fun with it at a race track.
@@gorgonismztruth1551 Maybe on a smooth track with perfect traction. But put it against a WRX on a mountain road with switchbacks, and the AWD system of the WRX will allow it to quickly pull any of these other cars.
Even on a track, you take a driver who knows how to exploit the traction of that WRX and leverage the balance of the symmetrical drivetrain, and he’s going to put the others in his rearview mirror.
I love that you had 4 manual trans cars to test against each other. And I'm left just appreciating that these 4 cars can have a unique identity in such a closely packed market. Great video!
And base models.
My dad has a 2013 hyundai sonata and there's been so many recalls on it. Engine, seat belts, air bags, fuel system, etc. He's had the car for a little less than 8 years, and nearly every year since he finds out about a new recall.
@@factsmatter6980 Every manufacturer has recalls. As long as they fix the issue I don't see the problem. Costs you nothing.
@@factsmatter6980 Wow its almost like that car is 9 years old
@@factsmatter6980 Sure, all manufacturers have recalls but which have the MOST recalls? And which have the most ENGINE-RELATED recalls? On both accounts, consistently, it's HYUNDAI. No thanks. They've been making vehicles for decades yet they still haven't figured things out? Why bother with Hyundai at all.
Simply the best car review/comparison channel because the time and thought you guys put into your perspectives for each car.
You guys always do an honest, awesome job with these cars. Appreciate it and keep up the good work!
If you want a hatch get the GTI
If you want awd get the WRX
if you want a fun sedan get the Elantra N
If you want a fun car that won’t give any problems get the SI
Despite coming off initially as an enthusiast car channel that just wants to drive cars around a track, I feel like I learn more about how cars are like to drive day-to-day better than almost anyone else. Great insight as far as interior ergonomics are concerned, long-term maintenance, and just working past the white paper you're getting from the manufacturer. Keep up the great work!
There are clear biases / badge snobbery in their videos. Just be aware, SG is hardly impartial and doesn't try to be.
@@dannnsss8034 What is the badge snobbery you're talking about? I know they have their preferences but I am seemingly unfamiliar with their snobbery.
Yeah. Their VW and Audi bias is blatant despite being among the least reliable and most expensive to own cars they review. These guys are all about click bate and being courted by car manufacturers.
@@sharedknowledge6640maybe you’re the one who should pull their head out their ass and realize that both the brands you mentioned have been making very reliable cars in the past decade. Especially VW
Wow guys. Truly a great review! Loved the levity as always. The tech breaks downs! The real world performance and cost perspectives. Thanks!
I LOVE the comparison test. I kind of love all of your reviews, but especially anything head-to-head.
Savage Geese videos always resonate so hard with me that I begin to feel like everything is right with the world. But, then my wife gets mad at me for leaving the toilet seat up or farting in bed, and I remember that the world is a cruel place where you will always be punished for having hope.
The end.
This is by far the best car review channel on CZcams in my opinion
It's honest about all the good and bad, which is what we actually need
SG reminds me of Car and Driver magazine back in the 80s and 90s. They would call out crappy cars and poor features
The long balls comment at around 3:50 😂
Great video guys just an awesome round up of realistic cars the everyday driver can afford. By far the best Auto channel on CZcams. The cinematography and flow of the review is what sets you apart from the rest. I pretty much look here and throttle house for my car reviews. The let’s check the sun visor guys have lost their way, stuck in clique corner over and over…..Once again guys awesome review, massive thumbs up 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏
I’m with Mark on the “gentle on long balls” Civic Si. Best daily street car for the long ownership experience
Back during the 8th gen (fg2 and fa5) with the k20z3 engine, not only was it practical as hell, it sounded like a race car with that 8200 redline. That car was FUN
@@kevinkim9620 that’s what I have! It’s starting to feel pretty dated now though. Lusting after a new one.
GTI is obviously a better daily street car
@@kevinkim9620 I think the K24Z7 from the 9th-gen Si is still in production. Would the Si be compelling if it still had that engine? It would be the only naturally aspirated car in its class (putting aside the two-door & now also 2.4L GR86), but obviously a 2.4L Si's fuel consumption would be horrible compared to the L15B7.
The complaints of the 9th-gen Si, that the handling was a bit soft unless you got the HFP package, seem to have been fixed by Honda now and now the standard Si seems to handle pretty well.
@@fhowland Nah, new cars are worse. I've done the 2.0 turbo thing both old-school and modern twin-scroll, and I prefer the K20Z4 (FN2) by far. It's so much snappier and more fun for a street car! I could not care less that it's a little bit slower, the modern 2.0 twin-scroll was quicker but it simply was not more fun, not by any means [the engine sounded and felt like a blender, not nice at all :(].
I don't know which part I like better, the 25 minute jab that every drag race video is (plus annoying ass music) or how much I love Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec sound. Pure art opening.
There is much way too much hate for "poverty" specs or "poverty" cars. I'm far far more impressed when people show up with a fun sport value based car rather than a 6 figure flex. At the onset of Rona Feb/Mar 2020 I picked up an ND Miata ('16 RWD MT ST Sport w 45k miles) for $10k OTD. I have no payment have had no depreciation and it only required oil changes, new tires, and new fluids. It's literally the best money I've ever spent on a product and made the pandemic a blast by "isolating" driving in the rocky mountains.
To be fair 99% of cars have had no depreciation since March 2020 hahahaha but very cool car
Fancy seeing you here. :). Nearly copped an ND Miata before Rona and regret not doing so. Enjoy!
That's great...some of us need more doors and a solid roof. I have a 19 wrx base and wish I got the limited instead. I've learned not to buy a base Subaru. Is possible, the base spec miata is a better spec'd base than the wrx. Or Mazda shrunk the (feature) gap btwn the base and grand touring trims.
the CIVIC is t best looking ... ELANTRA N is the best performer ...
@@ZeroFidelity Sean, it would be awesome for you to review car stereos. No one is doing this well, and your approach whether on your own or partnering with SG would make for very interesting content.
This was beautifully put together thank you guys so much 💯
This has to be the best car review/comparison I have ever seen! I cant believe how straight put the facts are!! Thanks! Subscribed now.
The quality of videos like this is why I watch every single SG video. Even if I have no desire to buy the vehicle.
I rewatch the Pacifica video pretty often.
Proud owner of a 2015 MK7 GTI here.
I like all of these cars, I like the entire class.
Having been a teenager in the 70's, with today's fuel prices - it's deja vu all over again.
This segment makes more sense than ever, particularly if it's your only car.
I could have gone for a Mustang or Camaro in 2015, but I knew a situation like the one we are in now might come - though I had no idea it would be this severe.
Cars like this always make sense.
Oh, I said it before and it bears repeating: Savageese are the CZcams equivalent of what Car & Driver Magazine was in its glory days.
That's a huge compliment.
@Incomudro As soon as I read your C&D comment I realize you're absolutely correct. I started reading it in '87 and remained a loyal subscriber until too much of the old guard retired. Spot on comparison.
@@markpainter6988 Right?
And, and thank you!
Yes, those witty, sarcastic and fun day of C&D in the 80's.
Wow that's a lot of work delivered concisely. Thanks guys.
Awesome job as always guys! I really enjoy watching and listening.
Only your wallet can lose with those crazy dealer markups and skyrocketing gas prices especially for premium...absolute clown world
Ooooorrr you can live in Canada where dealer markup are illegal and the most they can sell you at is MSRP!
Yup most civic si are being sold around 40k after mark up, accessories, and ttl
@@sephiros9883 one advantage just like with your conversion rate you get wrx for 24k meanwhile it starts 30k for us lol
@@sephiros9883 what are you talking about? That’s not true
I paid sticker last month for a new GTI.
Thank you guys for the awesome review. You guys covered them perfectly with the time pressures. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate these videos but I do understand that the fun of these cars gets neutered with all the constraints you guys overcome.
This is my favorite car channel for a reason, and this video just reinforced it. Always fantastic work.
Great video. I still enjoy driving my 10th gen Si. You’re right about the 11th gen. Not trying to be a sports car, just something fun to daily, and occasionally drive the curves on the coast. Nice video, SG. You make great content. 👍👍
Thanks for all the great contents and reviews. Been watching you guys for 5 years !
Once again Team SG knocks it out of the park with in-depth technical details that most car reviewers gloss over (or never mention) and feedback from an enthusiast & pro driver perspectives. This was a great comparison segment. Thank you for all your efforts.
Most people buy CUV and SUV. If it works and has apple car play and looks fashionable they mostly don't care.
Amazing video guys. Amazing…..you are doing some of the best automotive journalism out there today. I have not driven any of these cars but own the mk8 gti. Am a large 250 pound dude and the seats work perfect for me. After a few weeks you get used to the haptic controls (the climate control is set and forget). Other than that, your notes on the driving characteristics in this and your other videos on the mo8 gti are spot on. I am now motivated to try the others! Thanks gents!
Awesome video. It's perfect for me right now. It's actually the first time I've seen you guys. I'm about to see much more. Thumbs up and following. I loved how you guys broke those cars down.
P.s. That Elantra N though... I never thought I'd be thinking about a Hyundai.
Another highlight in your feature career. Yesterday I saw a video of a comparison between affordable sports cars and this is on par! Great stuff on a Friday. Thanks SG
This is literally the comparison that's running through my head 24/7. Thanks guys
Absolutely amazing video once again. Thank you so much for the amount of detail.
Fantastic video. This was the nail in the coffin for my decision and i love the different perspectives you give. Subbed because of this video
Thanks chaps, very interesting stuff.
I'm sure tests like this take a hell of a lot behind the scenes work and logistics. Let that be known.👍👏
love the comparison, you can see how much work went into this
The insight on each vehicle given during underbody is incredible. Thank you
I bought my 2022wrx in February. Premium trim with some extras, including a sti short throw shifter. It is my daily. It is so fun to drive and i have absolutely no regrets. I love this car. The infotainment system blends in after a bit of owning it and does not bother me.
Driving an i30N FL I can really say that Hyundai has managed to make these cars handle exceptionally well. The first time I planted the gas pedal in a turn I nearly drove into the inside curb, because I was expecting the car to start understeering like my old first gen Leon Cupra R, but it did none of that; the handling is incredibly neutral, despite being FWD and front heavy, it feels like the car wants to push over all four tires evenly and even if you manage to let the rear slip, a slight correction is all you need to keep the car from spinning out, never making you feel like its not responding to your steering input.
the CIVIC is t best looking ... ELANTRA N is the best performer ...
@@gorgonismztruth1551 the si looks horrible. Gti is best looking.
@@gorgonismztruth1551 the civic is boring as hell!
@@ll.7927 Civic is going for that retro styling from the early 2000's
@@stephenkim589 nah hell no. It’s ugly doesn’t look retro at all. I still own my 95 integra gsr that’s fully built n this new si is horrible. Even the new type r still iffy to me.
The comparison video we all really care about. Great insight on these
Cool to see you experimenting with your format. It can be nice to see more of a shootout style review in addition to the deep dive.
I just purchased the VB WRX in the premium package. Mine is black so the cladding blends well and doesn’t look awful in my opinion. So fun to drive. No bias compared to the other offerings in this video.
Excellent work gentlemen. I truly love all your content. I bought a T-shirt to support you guys and watch all your videos.
I traded my mustang for a 6 speed Elantra N earlier this year and I absolutely love it.
How bad is the ride on the street I've thought about ordering one
@@wesgreen2812 not bad at all.. you can change the suspension for the street
@@wesgreen2812 much smoother than I thought it would be. Personally I didn’t like the seats or the plastic grab handle in the middle but the N is a joy to drive.
@@wesgreen2812 Totally liveable if you adjust it to the mild setting. If you put in N mode, which is the most intense mode, you will lose some fillings.
V8 mustang?
Great review! Covered pretty much everything one would want to know about these vehicles!
I'd only seen Mr Geese through some snippets on the straight pipes. This was my first watch and it was awesome. Jack was an unexpected surprise and dang what a pro. Both great presenters, and I'm now subscribed!
Amazing as always, no one even comes close to the level of quality in their videos.
Love you guys for putting the Gran Turismo sounds in the background frfr
Love the K-pop background music transition at 20:58 when Mark says "It's time to go to Namyang!" and Jack "...can't wait for you to make me throw up in my helmet" 🤣
This is one of the best car comparaison video i have ever seen. The quality is up there with the tv shows.
Great test! Goes so show by your final rankings what people value will dictate your choice at that 30k mark. Thank you for acknowledging the tire width and compound differences….very few reviewers call attention and understand just how important that is. Owners of all four vehicles will more than likely change rims, widths, and compounds throughout ownership 👍
Thank you for making this video, a perfect comparison for the everyday car enthusiast!
WOW! With all sincerity, THANK YOU for the best affordable performance car review I’ve seen thus far! These are the four cars I’m considering for my daily drive/track day car. I’m so happy you used affordable cars. I hate how all the popular 90’s and early 2000’s icons have been turned into $60K+ “supercars”. These four vehicles represent that target tuner audience and you nailed the comparison. You have provided potential buyers with great information to make a decision on the car that’s right for them. Again, thank you and keep up the great videos!
Superb comparo! Great job, gentlemen. Thanks for your efforts on our behalf.
Had a Golf3 in the 1990s after owning an ‘88 Jetta. Both manual. The Golf was more “refined” but felt less “dangerous” once in montion. My buddy’s GTI felt the best of both - higher end and faster to the danger zone. Loved cruising in on I-15 from Salt Lake to Ogden in 30 minutes💨 💨 💨
This video was so well done gentlemen. Thank you for putting in the extra effort as always! The Elantra N has to be the best…it’s a first gen. It’s that dialed and really doesn’t sacrifice anything if you buy it as advertised. The other cars have had decades of development!
Love these throwback reviews. The music reminds me of walking into a mall back in the 90s.
This is an incredibly good video! Great content. Great in depth reviews. Great comparisons.
You guys are so dialed in. Love this channel.
Thanks guys for doing an in depth review on enthusiast cars that people can actually afford. I especially appreciate you guys choosing the base models and including not just the MSRP but also the MPG info. The gas mileage alone on that Civic puts it at the top of my list - California gas prices are no joke in 2022!
1st time I have watched your channel 👍Well done! Informative, interesting to watch and the Elantra is now on my list of possibilities 👌
Great video! This is such a realistic price point for many people. Hopefully this helps people in this market choose what they want based on your points.
Excellent video guys, I enjoyed it.
My top pick would be the Civic. There's absolutely no way to track a normal car where I live (or at the least it would be very costly I think) so my focus is more on daily fun driving so that fits the bill with it also having imo the nicest interior.
That Hyundai looks like a blast! Now if someone can guarantee that the engine won't die a premature death
probably not before some teenager steals it.
I mean, the manufacturer guarantees the engine for 10 years or 100k miles
@@jamesjosh they all fight tooth and nail to not honor their warranties. it’s a business not a charity.
Great video! Awesome content. Starting off with a drag race is never a bad idea.
Loving that GT countdown, Mark & Jack! 👍🏽
The Elantra N is so much fun to drive and the cabin noise isn’t that bad even on long highway drives. Also the stock exhaust sound is brilliant 🤌 like they say, if you want fun over an easy drive that car is no question the best
The n-line Elantra premium is the one to go for for comfort
If you're willing to add your own sound deadening, the experience would be mint. The noise in my veloster n is just meh for long trips.
@@2010ngojo what would that involve? Sound deadening the floor and doors?
@@mharro88
mostly the flooring and door panels, but anywhere that doesn't have any deadening would help slightly. To do it properly, you need to pretty much tear out the interior to the bare chassis metal. Then put layers of different materials. It could add up to 100 pound to the weight of the car tho (for a proper installation), just something to keep it mind. But if you plan on keeping it for long, I'd say it's worth trying. Maybe do sections at a time, like doors and trunk area first, then the main body. It's time and labor intense for diy tho.
@@2010ngojo yeah cool , sounds doable though.. from your experience did you notice it reduce Db noticeably?
Love the different perspectives when it comes to age, what's already in your garage, etc. Always different for everyone which makes choosing a winner and loser hard sometimes when you can't highlight those differences.
even aspects like if you got kids beyond the garage, or a wife that would drive or that potentially wants to drive stick on occasion they get into the "tech" implementations on the trans/shifting/gearing profiles or smart/shift etc. As well as their coverage with automatic trans/dct options. They really break down the necessary perspective/aspects to how to correctly judge a car as a future owner vs just offering "insights" of strengths for would be fanatics that really have no interest in ownership.
Best video you’ve uploaded yet! Would love to have seen the new Mazda 3 premium plus and BRZ in this comparison as they also are in the same price market. Still, love for you guys and the content. ❤️
I liked the post just for that intro LOL! I have been watching too many of those 25 minute drag race videos lately
Went to a couple stealers (dealers) to check out the Elantra N and Civic Si. They wanted $8k over the top for the Elantra N and $4k over MSRP for the Si. The Si had almost every conceivable HPD accessory added to it, which put the total at almost $40K! No thank you.
I've checked at least 20 dealers, no Si no GTI no WRX no N products. They're all sold out. Even with these crazy markups. This dealership system needs to go down, needs to go down fast. On the other hand; I've a Ford Maverick order in place, and it's been 6 months, not a single email or news about it's build date 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ So that's that.
These are crazy days. When I drove the Elantra N last month it was the only MT in the state of Arizona, and was marked up $4K.
@@agrisizkulak a ford maverick, LMFAO
GTI has least markups mate..
@@roboticvenom1935not in Arizona, alas.
I ran a 13.1 in the 1/4 mile with the DCT Elantra N. The other 3 won’t come anywhere close to that. The M/T is tougher to launch no doubt, but the DCT is a different animal.
Unfortunately it’s let down by being FWD. if they added AWD and made it a proper WRX competitor it would probably mop the floor with them all
I'm sorry you can't drive. DCT was not part of this comparison because it's cheating. This was a real fair comparison.
@@billydee1879 lmao, I bet you believe I’m not a man because I didn’t choose the manual version too. Wouldn’t be surprised if you drive a Dodge Charger, but it’s ok to drive an automatic in one of those. It’s not 1960 anymore, new automatics are becoming the more powerful option.
@@billydee1879 how is DCT cheating? Would AWD be deemed cheating as well, since it has a MAJOR advantage in grip off the line?
@@sleeper.simulant7327 Dude what? It ALREADY mops the floor with the WRX. They don't need to add AWD to it. Just like the Civic Type R mops the floor with the STi and pretty much any other AWD performance car in its price range.
The Elantra N doesn't need the complexity and cost of AWD unless they want to give it a significant power upgrade, which would end up putting it in a higher price bracket. The car is fine as is.
Playing K-pop during the Elantra N section had me in stitches. Four seriously good options in this space and I appreciate the hard work you guys did in making it happen.
SO glad you guys actually state your opinion and rank the cars!
Too many other reviewers put titles on their videos that suggest a comparison..."Is the new GTI better than the Civic SI?" or "X brand vs. Y brand", but then completely wimp out in the video, and instead say something like "Which do you think is the better vehicle...leave your opinion in the comments." WTF? (I'm looking at YOU Raiti's Rides).
Savage geese are much more like the great review hallmarks like Car and Driver. You guys don't pull punches and state what you honestly think.
Well Done!
I love the N buttons with custom dampers/exhaust/steering/LSD/engine/ESC/rev match. It works really well to be driving normal and hit the button for an onramp or corner then go back to normal. The car is really very nice in normal mode. If you value a splash of sport in your cars, you will be fine in the N. Recently did 10 hour/day roadtrip and Im a fat guy age 45.
The GTI is the best all rounder, but I'd pick the Hyundai for the 10/10 fun factor.
The koreans are just killing it, plus they have the best stock warranty
I know everybody says it but those touch buttons are just a dealbreaker no matter what
The GTI is still too soft. It needs solid bushings in key suspension areas vs the bushings that have voids and compliance built in. The solid bushings add feel/firmness w/o the harshness most ppl think they do.
@@everydaybodybuilding2282 a sedan is also a deal breaker in a lot of cases.
@@K03sport in Europe they have the GTI Clubsport which is basically a fwd Golf R, but even faster.
Great review/comparison. I shopoed all these cars and included the Civic R , the Acura Integra type S and the Volkswagen R. The absolute best bang for buck option was the Golf GTI S with DSG at 33.2 k. Second only to the Golf R in speed and the Civic SI in mpg.
Awesome video! Realistic cars for most people to own. We need more videos like this.
I'm inline with Mark's mindset. I have a 981 Cayman for fun and needed a fun daily. I got the Civic Si. Second choice would have been the GTI. Great video!
This was a great video! Thanks for putting it together for us to enjoy! Have a deposit on a rally blue WRX in sport-tech trim on the way... the cladding's actually grown on me since seeing it in person, and it's going to be a great 4-season daily driver here in Ontario. Looking forward to getting flamed for putting a previous gen STI wing on it 😄
I'm in Toronto. Mines coming in July. World rally blue. Sport tech. Can't wait. Did these guys mention what the real world HP is? I think they said all the cars are underrated
How are you liking yours I just got mine in ceramic White :)
I got a sport tech aswell but in black in halifax. It's a blast on the twisty back roads
This was an amazing review and i definitly think that a lot of younger entheusiasts will appreciarte the information on afordable fun cars
Great video, thank you for putting out great content. Looking forward to your next video!
I find it most interesting how for a similar price a collection of similar sized cars for the same purpose with a very similar powertrain layout diverge so vastly in execution and capability. The variety and option of these cars in todays world is a great thing!
for me after driving all 4
the Elantra N was the pick for me easily I didn't find that car be that harsh at all and it just felt so much more fun to drive , the gti would be my second choice and ive owned 3 of them but that infotainment system was a deal braker I hated it so bad I didn't even want to drive the car anymore.
Yeah for a car you're gonna drive daily, I feel like the infotainment of the GTI would have you loathing it within a few weeks. So annoying to be fighting a system that shouldn't be complicated in the first place, not to mention potentially dangerous....takes your attention away from driving. Hopefully the MK8.5 or whatever they call it will go back...the GTI is basically the perfect all rounder.
@@NDEEZMiata completely agree and what's crazy at night there isn't any illuminated lights to known where to press to even use the system
Funny have owned the gti for 2500 miles and I don’t hate the infotainment any more. I use Apple play for everything and the climate control is set and forget. The one thing that annoys is the gear shift knob. This breaks after. A thousand miles or so-so weird. Also feels cheep. I changed for a BFI golf ball and the improvement is incredible. Also I hate that I accidentally turn the steering heating by accident all the time (I live in florida so never need this function). Otherwise as an everyday car I continue to be amazed at how excellent this car is. I have an 8 and 10 year old and the car is crazy spacious and perfect for every day use. Sure for long trips the luggage space is too small but wow is this an economical and fun little package. I do think that the base S model is the sweet spot. I personally don’t like the leather interior and love the tartan cloth. Also I like having the dial on the infotainment. But it is a good time to be alive. Four amazing and relatively affordable manuals still on sale in the US today!
This was very informative, entertaining, and arousing. Great work
Excellent video. Thx guys.