WRX vs Elantra N - Best Affordable Family Fun Car? | Everyday Driver
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- The Subaru WRX has been the affordable 4-door fun car answer for a long time. But Hyundai’s excellent Elantra N has crowded the WRX territory. We take these small fun four doors on a great canyon road to see which one offers the best do-it-all value and sheer fun.
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00:00 - 1:23 - Don’t forget the WRX
1:23 - 4:38 Elantra N and DCT applause
4:38 - 8:35 WRX GT and the SPT question
8:35 - 12:59 The WRX magic trick and steering changes
12:59 - 17:03 Elantra N handling and tire murder
17:03 - 20:15 WRX - Only good in person?
20:15 - 22:32 Elantra N - too much going on?
22:32 - 23:13 Conclusions and Favorites
#WRX #ElantraN #familyfun
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I have actually owned both. The N is just by far a more "Fun" car. The tech is better. The speed is quicker. And obviously, it sounds better. A punk kid smashed it and I couldn't afford to replace it with another N, so I got the WRX. For the money I paid, I got a deal (2K under MSRP). It's a good car. Reliable and it actually corners better than the N, but it just doesn't have the same spirit. I'm sure I'll be happy with it over the life of the car, but I won't forget the fun I had with the Elantra N.
Did you have gap insurance? Didn't the other person have insurance?
How did you negotiate to get it under 2k?
@@ybbyung_barber_boiii3298 My local dealer is offering 2k off WRX and some Outbacks.
@@ybbyung_barber_boiii3298 Simple, I work at a Subaru dealership, WRX's aren't selling, nobody likes the redesign, I assure you we are literally giving them out like candy because they will just sit at our dealership for months.
@@darienpitts7193you must live in the south cause up north here in wa its the opposite
I bought my Elantra N right when they were first available, almost 2 years ago. I still thoroughly enjoy it. It has surpassed my expectations.
Do you have any scratches on it?
Is there anything to look out for in these cars? I plan to upgrade my Elantra SEL in a few months for an N
@@The69GOAT that's what I did you ain't regret it only thing missing is the gas millage you will spend so much on gas because it's impossible not to stay in n mode
@@dashaunmarcel6163 Honestly, gas isn't an issue. I had a supercharged 9th gen Civic Si and that bitch guzzled gas like V8 lol it's reassuring to hear somebody else upgraded though! Can't wait 🙏🏼
@Lawnmower 65 Of course. When you're commuting 70 on Phoenix highways (lots of rocks), you're gonna get scratches on anything. I just had them all touched up. That's just part of living in Phoenix.
there was one of those Elantra N last Sunday when i was driving back in the canyons, we had a little cat and mouse but i had to push my Cayman a little to catch up. i had to get up close and was like.. what the....an Elantra?!!
Hahaha yeah the N is the real deal
What year was your Cayman? Base or S?
@@jmmch3358 it's an S but I was heading in the other direction, there's this park I turn around and go back so that's why I had to push it to catch up with him but when I did, he tried to lose me but couldn't
2006
@@ThatCaymanGuy the first gen Cayman its a especial driver's sport car
This review of the WRX is so real. As a owner of a 22 WRX I share the opinion of the reviewers. I bought my 22 WRX last April and I was and still is impressed with my WRX driving dynamics. It’s a fun car. I don’t mind the black cladding. I predict that this car is going to be a legend in a few years.
And it will hold a resale value that Hyundai’s and Kia’s can only dream of.
I've done over 40k on my Kumho all weather in the EN. Not being glued the to ground make the EN even more fun and PS4S become overkill for street use. Even without the dedicated winter, I'll still pull the worst snow filled hill Ontario has to offer.
Not, it's not going to be 🤣
I just got a'22 WRX this weekend and I love it
Who would have thought hyundai would be compared with subaru in performance. What a great success for hyundai
As time goes by, N would be way better than Subaru
I had my first experience with the Elantra N last weekend. It was a 6 speed w/ a piggyback ECU tune and a small exhaust mod. I sat in the passenger seat as we bombed down a twisty road and I got to say.. I absolutely slept on the Elantra N! What a performer.. sounded great, I was laughing like a kid.. I was blown away. I understand the exterior hesitations by some but the interior was also so well put together and polished. Fantastic value proposition
In a sea of car reviewers, you guys are absolutely among the best. The new face of the ‘24 Elantra N definitely makes me want to wait to buy one. Great work…as usual.
Glad you enjoyed, and we greatly appreciate the compliment. Thank you for watching!
Me too! Just contacted my local Hyundai dealer, told them to reach out to me once they get the 24 Elantra N available. Face-lift was sorely needed imo
agreed. Before purchasing a Civic Si, I paid attention only to EveryDay Driver and Savagegeese. Best two review channels for the critically thinking enthusiast.
If they had a track did one lap time i would say they wer different but honestly they all sound the same. What reviwers need is more instrumented testing objectivity not i think or i feel or i believe.. other than that i like these two but i feel like the samr info can be had anymore, how did motor trend separate themselves from the rest? Lap times, head to head ignition god i miss those shows!
Disagree. New facelift looks like every other new sedan on the road. New rear is a downgrade too, black is extended on the sides. 22/23 N has a unique aggressive front.
Paul should get extra props for powering through! Thanks you two!
Yes, definitely! He was battling a cough during this shoot and still got great in-car interviews done. Thanks for watching!
@@EverydayDriver Wish him a speedy recovery
I've been saying for years Kia Hyundai use poor cheap wire harnesses which turn into electrical problems on the vehicles & now fires, I had a 16 Sorento what a nightmare almost everything broke electrical issues up the a** battery continually dying, moon roof wouldn't close just a disaster, they entice with the designs of the car but reliability eventually catches up to you... I remember Hyundai back in the 80s Pony Stellar were also disasters.
@@kuyre2239 Just because you "remember Hyundai back in the 80s" doesn't mean they are the same now as back then. They very much are not the same thing, 40 years is a lot of time for a lot of changes, and a lot of good changes have happened. It's not brand specific, either, every manufacturer has had problems of varying degrees at one point or another
@@kuyre2239 I'm really sick/tired of people living in the past. Did Hyundai have this issue, yes, without a doubt, but every manufacturer learns and evolves ! Get with the times and stop living in the past !
The critics of the old WRX said it was not grown up, too rough, interior was cheap, and geared to more of younger generation. The GT has check all the boxes of the previous past complaints. Now the GT WRX is not as fun because its not a manual. The interior now is great looking, the infotainment is solid, the options of all the driving is great, and the looks are not as flamboyant, but the car is solid. Elantra is good but at the end of the day, its FWD. There are companies like COBB that are all over these new WRX's and can really push the engine on this WRX. To each their own. I did the new WRX. I have a 2011 WRX LTD and will stick with it.
I’d buy the WRX because of the AWD system, robust 2.4T engine and endless aftermarket support. Also prefer the design.
Beautiful drone shots of Canyon while driving 👌👀. As always informative and enlightening 👌
My wife picked up a Orange pearl WRX GT, its a fun car. Interior is awesome, drives great!
My wife has a 2015 Kia Sorento, fought with Kia about burning oil, after going through there testing for months, they finally replaced the motor. They STINK…
It's crazy that Hyundai could build something so good with their first ever Elantra N.
They got practice with their other n cars, i30n and veloster n.
@@2010ngojoand with their involvement in motorsports. Notably TCR.
Not really when they hired the head of BMW's M division.
@@2010ngojodon't forget the i20 N!
@@JerryM-wt8hland WRC for decades.
Great review again guys, glad it was auto vs. auto as well👍
No sense of me talking about the driving dynamics of the EN because you just watched the video, so I'll talk about something that pertains to everyone...gas mileage. During our Chicagoland winter I got 20 mpg but now it's up to 24 and this is pure city mpg. Last fall on my trip to the Tail of the Dragon, doing +5 mph w/ cruize on & ECO mode, I got 38.4-39.8 mpg (using the calculator method, not shown mileage) Keep in mind the elevation changes here, so that's REALLY impressive!
Glad you enjoyed! And thanks for sharing your real world MPG experience. Congrats on a great car, and thanks for watching!
@EverydayDriver thank you and I look forward to getting in the EN everyday and always look back at it when walking away! I get why people don't like it's looks and I'm never offended when comments are made😉
The real magic of the VB WRX doesn't show up until you tune it. I know you can tune any car. But the VB WRX makes huge gains on very mild/safe mods in a way that none of it's competitors do. A VB WRX with $3K in mods will match or outperform any Elantra Ns, Type Rs,etc with equivalent mods. It's the AWD for me.
umm no it wont
Stock VB on just an e85 tune makes around 340-360WHP.
the subaru wrx is just super interesting because it’s sales are down 40%+ compared to last year’s previous model design. What is worse is that while the Honda Civic Si has a $5k mark up; the Acura Integra A-Spec Manual is selling for $2K under msrp. Honestly the WRX needs to be sold at under msrp too.
There’s a lot of dealers selling the WRX under MSRP as of late to make room for the 23 models.
Recently at a local CA Subaru I received an email that they were selling the 22 models for 2k under MSRP. They’re very good capable cars and a huge improvement over the last model
I just drove a base wrx ( the trim I would actually buy) and it was the only one on the lot in base but had several higher trims there. I here you can get good discounts on the Wrx which is a good thing.... I am still leaning WRX but the 24 facelift on N is intriguing I am not a fan of the red trim etc.... to boy racer on the N though
@@g_p_3431 ugly design is the root cause
I like how you guys describe the driving experience of the cars you review. You don’t just spew stats, but really make me feel like I’m driving the car. I love the Elantra N. I’ve owned a Stinger but I’m now interested in the N.
This is what we strive for, we hope you come a way with a sense of what the car is like to drive! We’re glad to hear you found us and enjoy our work. Thank you for watching!
As an owner of a WRX GT, I can say this review is spot on. Everything they said about the car, I have said about the car. Since 2002, I’ve owned five WRXs and WRX/STIs. This is the only automatic I’ve had and I like it.
Great review as always, and love the roads that you use. But these two cars need a rematch, with manual transmissions.
I have a manual '22 wrx premium, and it is a blast on mountain roads. It doesn't need adaptive dampers or all of the other high tech modes, sensors, and other stuff to make it a great car.
I would love to see this one! ☝️ 😮
Great review you guys!
FINALLY!!!!! YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME!
I love the throw away lines like “junior high coach applauding anything you do” and “exfoliating asphalt”!
We’re glad you enjoyed them! Thanks for watching as always!
Agreed!!
I just bought my ‘22 WRX Premium for $31k OTD. That leaves me $5k to spend on upgrades before I get close to the EN out the door price. With that money, I’ve got Ohlins, 4-pot Brembos, 19lb wheels and PS4S tires on the way, and I already have the car on a conservative e30 tune making 330whp/360ft-lbs.
The EN does seem good for those that will leave it stock (and those that can deal with the awful ride quality), but for an actual tuner car enthusiast the WRX is the best performance per dollar proposition on the market right now by a long shot.
I test drove both for a whole weekend. Wrx is faster off the line but seems to fall over from 3rd gear.. Elantra N is difficult to launch but far more roll on power. They are very close but for ray to day I’d go Elantra N, it hangs with plenty fast cars roll on where the wrx would get gapped.. wrx launches hard but you will break the car if you do this repeatedly.
Say goodbye to head gasket
@@moneyparharidk about that on the fa engine….but on the ej you may have an argument…either way I’m taking the Subaru over the Hyundai…and deff not in the automatic….but I’m not in the market for a new car…I’m happy with the 3 cars n 2 bikes I already own
Great music choices! This was a fun episode.
8:08 - There is a reason many cars, including the Elantra N, don't do that: noise limits. The EN in sport and N mode likely fails a number of states' exhaust noise laws, and in California at least, the testing is supposed to be done in the loudest mode that the car can be in at startup. By putting you back into normal mode, it ensures that the exhaust is not loud enough to fail the noise test.
Elantra fails the exhaust noise test basically in all of North America in N mode. It’s over 95dB.
@@gs98999 thats quiet compared to my car
If its too loud youre too old
@@gs98999i looked at a few other states, some are even 85 db! looks like the elantra N is basically illegal in most states. probably the reason why it's being dumped in the used car market on autotrader so hard. too bad! also, I read the 400z had to get a new muffler because it was loud too.
My 23 forte gt does that as well
I bought a Fiesta ST six years inspired significantly by your video of it vs. the Abarth 500. Now you're making me think I want an Elantra N. Damn you (I think)! But seriously, you guys really get to the core of what a car is about and what it's like to live with, and that's what's great about your channel. Please keep up the amazing work!
We're thrilled to know that our work has been helpful in you getting a car you enjoyed (That's what we want for everyone!). Thank you for the compliments on our work, and we appreciate you watching!
I’m in the same boat! They helped me make my ST purchase. But the tranny is done so now I have a reserve for the Elantra N!
@@peterkruse2427 yeah those STs are starting to disappear real quick imo
@@peterkruse2427 Congrats--the EN should be a more-than-worthy ST successor, and unlike the Civic Type R or GR Corolla, it sounds like it's possible to find one...maybe even for MSRP or less. I really like the front end restyle; I'd be inclined to wait for that but I don't know how far off it is.
I went from a ST with a torsen and all the mountune stuff to a EN. It's faster, but be warned it's much, much larger and it drives like it. I would hang on to that ST. They will never make a 2600 lbs. hot hatch again.
I am still loving my 2020 Veloster N. It has become my commuting entertainment. Almost three years and I still look forward to driving the car each time.
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Ur insights as always are fantastic gentlemen. Keep up the good work
Glad you enjoy what we do. Thank you!
Editing was so fun on this one!
For MT enthusiasts: I had a 2013 Genesis Coupe and someone at Hyundai thought it was a good idea to combine the clutch slave cylinder & throw-out bearing into a single part. The first one started leaking brake fluid at 45k miles which was bad, but the second one they put in under warranty only lasted 19k miles and failed completely with no warning while I was on a road trip in Oct 2022. It took Hyundai almost 6 months to fix everything (still just under the 10-year warranty thankfully). As soon as I got it back, I traded it in on a 2023 WRX manual, which uses the time-tested separate clutch parts setup. Time will tell, but I love it so far. If Hyundai is using the same part on the Elantra N manuals, I wouldn't buy one.
I have a 2018 Elantra sport manual with 160,000 km's on it. No issues.
I am considering trading it in for the wrx, but only because of the awd. Winter with a fwd sucks even with proper winter tires.
How do you miss getting an STI? 😆🤣
@@iAmFAUST I don't, but thanks for asking.
Great review, the only thing not mentionned is that even if the N is more fun in summer.... WRX Is waaay more fun in the winter with one feat of snow... so yes, a very hard choice 😅
Given lighter winters, here in Toronto, EN's easily is a more fun car for the winter, especially with intuitive hand-break and 6MT. A bumper that can easily. bash through snow banks (by plows) also helps.
Got my Elantra N about 2 weeks ago now and I have no regrets
Good review of both cars. The red scaffolding of the N is easily removed and reinstalled as you like
that is good to know
As soon as they make the GT available in manual, I’ll be interested. Based on their sales numbers of auto versus manual for the last Gen alone, there’s no way that car should’ve released in CVT only. I’m glad it’s not a trash option and that people preferring a non-manual have a decent offering. I just think it should have a manual as well.
wont ever happen in usa
Want a manual just get a GR Corolla.
@@r3games1985 if only it were that easy. Last quote I received for a GR Carolla made it almost as expensive as my M3. While I love the Carolla, it’s not worth more than MSRP.
Tbh I just wish the my VA wrx had the new engine in it. Hate the body style of the new wrx but the engine is far better the fa20
@@brandonchism6960 honestly msrp is 10k too high lol
Love my 6sp Elantra N. Over a year and 27k mikes into owning it and I STILL can’t wait to get in it every day. Never thought I’d be saying that about a Hyundai 😆
Same, I came from gti and the EN is so fun
Hyundai is ☝️😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
The engine blew on my 2016 Kia Sorrento I got it back a week ago
@@newchannel1220 what does that have anything to do with N?
@@newchannel1220 cool story?
Well timed post!
The tuning potential of the Fa24 is pretty cool too. Personally would only get the manual option on both cars
I'm getting a 2023 N line premium, it should be arriving in 2months time,such a beautiful car,I got the Nline instead of the N because im more of a inner city everyday driver ,the road assist was a deal breaker for me,I'm really excited about it.
The n has road assist
The first and possibly one of the only new cars that I'll get. 95% as capable as the CTR but close to 20-27K cheaper in the real world for the average joe. Have fond memories of watching this channel and working as a dishwasher while I was going to college. Fast forward 9 years later and I actually have a vehicle that you guys are comparing. Love the EN and honestly the more I drive the more I think I'm going to keep it till the wheels fall off orrre, until a 2.4 L comes with a higher power band. Edit: the 6 SPD with a few "feeling" mods really transforms the experience.
Can you share the mods that have improved the feeling of EN shifter?
Share those mods!
Name the mods
When the engine failed at 87,000km in my 2016 Kia soul, the staff told me they had 30 engines in the shop the previous year with same problem. Defective premature engine failure. I've also read many reports of people having a new engine put in only to have the same thing happen quickly. Fix your mess Kia!
@@dark6c159 I'm not sure what this comment has to do with anything I've mentioned...all I have to say is every manufacturer has had major recalls in the last 20 years, sometimes catastrophic.
Great review, I really enjoy my 23' WRX. My daily roads are very windy and with a lot of change in slope and elevation. Can't complain at all.
With the endless supply of aftermarket parts you can essentially make the car whatever you want it to be. I'm not familiar enough with Hyundai's part market. But it seems to be growing as well. Either way can't go wrong, just all depends on what you value in a car. Test drive both for sure.
for me deal maker is u don't have to take out 15-16 screws on Subarus to change engine oil and filter.
I would honestly get the Elantra N vs the WRX in terms of Styling. Too bad there is no elantra N in the Philippines though :(
Honestly these plus the new ctr and gr corolla are all great cars. We are living in a golden age of asian sports cars and every competitor makes a great car. You will be happy with any of them!
"styling is only good in person".
Well said. It is a beautiful car in person.
Guys, where was this shot? I recognize the road as the one Jay Leno used to drive his cars on. Thanks for the great video, as always!
Wow... the same is true for CVT's apparently! The best CVT's are the ones that are bad about being CVT's; That DON'T put the engine in the ideal ratio all the time, they fake having gears! Let's be real about why there is CVT in the WRX. Subaru doesn't have the budget to develop a new torque converter auto. They've gone CVT in every other slushbox subie for the past 10 years. Unless they wanted to release the WRX as manual only, they had to take their CVT and make it shift like a DCT or traditional automatic with gears. It's not because CVT's are any better than a traditional auto or a DCT for the application, its simply that Subaru has to work with what they've got. Good job, whoever writes the software that controls the CVT.
Exactly. It's still amazingly bizarre that people buy and mod CVT WRXs
Nice review guys
Love this channel!
Thank you for watching!
WRX is an ICON and if the N has subsequent generations it may also reach that status.
I just saw an N on the road and its plethora of geometric shapes and panels reminds me of a stealth bomber ...in a really good way too!
Here's what I think this boils down to. The WRX is an aging rally legend, a quirky and fun rally car that has grown up, gone to university, and wants to settle down, but is still able to have fun along the way. The Elantra N, that is the WRX when it first exploded onto the scene in the 1990s, all look-at-me-I'm-fast.
Hyundai is the rally legend currently if you actually took the time to do your research. Not to mention as well as TCR
Paul called it out - there is near zero steering feel in the new WRX. I have a 22 WRX and when I go from that to my Evo X, it's so clear that the 22 WRX steering feel.
If you want a Elantra N but hate the front end, just wait for the facelift late this year. It will look a lot better.
Great thing about the EN is a lot of what can be much in regards to the eagerness can be customized.
As an older gentleman, the WRX's ability to loaf around is a +. If I drove the Elantra N as a daily, I would be more inclined to rag it out all the time and when I wasn't doing that, I would be thinking about what I could do to soften it up. So adaptive suspension +. Looks are in the eye of the beholder. WRX is, dare I say less boy racer, which suits me better also.
the EN rides much better than the WRX, I've owned both. Gets MUCH better mpg too. I got 37mpg going 70 for about 100 miles. The WRX got 28
@@wesgreen2812 Love some unbiased true info. Was wanting an EN end of last year but all dealerships were charging markups. Bought a Lexus instead and constantly feel like I'm chasing the EN/WRX feel in a lux car with every mod I do. Love hate relationship
I just moved out of NYC to Upstate, NY and immediately bought a WRX. To me, it fits the rugged personality of the region. I would NOT wanna lower it, and I dig the cladding all the more. To each his own.
@@wesgreen2812 Good to know!
I sold my Elantra N manual after 9 months. It was fun, handled well and I loved the tech. However, it’s fit and finish was poor. The front wheel hop was horrible. I have not pulled the trigger on a WRX yet, but I eventually plan to. The N is not a good daily. Plus, the clutch and transmission where just too light and not very good IMO. If I got an N again, I would get the DCT. If you turn down the exhaust noise, I actually found the N to be boring. Even though the WRX may not have the same performance feel, it is the better car to own. If you want to have a track car, get the N. If you want a good daily get the WRX.
Safety warning systems... Have you seen Jason Cammisa's video on the GR Corolla/Yaris? Apparently even though they put in a feature where you can pull the handbrake and the AWD system will disconnect the rear wheels so they can lock up and help you get around a tight corner, it also auto-dials 911 for you whenever you do it.
I have not seen these two cars compared anywhere else in automatic. Thanks guys! The only acceptable color choice for either is black!
Thanks for the detailed comparison! Drones + scenery put it over the top! Interesting powertrains worn by dealbreaker exteriors. At least if that Elantra is ever involved in front or rear end collisions, nobody will be able to notice since it comes from the factory pre-mutilated. I don't know what Subaru was thinking either. They made the new '24 Impreza hatch so much better looking without all that WRX cladding, so apparently Subaru is capable of designing small cars that aren't awkward/ugly.
Dude, chill. You cant afford either of these cars anyway. Dont worry.
@@milbin1795 One day, when you grow up and become an adult, you will understand.
Lol, both these cars are cheap. their demographic is for people who can't afford real sports cars 😂
Thoughts about Mazda3 Turbo in this comparison? Particularly the sedan, to keep the comparison even.
This is not a fun car.
I think the main thing you missed on the Elantra is people who buy it need to respect the car. If you turn off the stability management/traction control you can get the back end very loose and it will slide around you if you aren't careful or you aren't expecting it. It is a dangerous car to drive if someone drives it hard and they don't know this could happen.
I have an Elantra N. The car is a blast! It is way better than I ever could have expected.
I wish you compared the sticks :( but loved the review!
First time here, subscribed straight away.
Thanks for subscribing! We'd had many requests to drive the DCT Elantra N (having driven and compared the stick shift on a few occasions). So when Subaru dropped this top model WRX, only in CVT, it seemed like the right pairing. Glad to have you watching!
great review as always but no manuals and CVT is a deal breaker for me. With all the rain in Cali, i did however enjoy the scenery
They make both cars in manual.
@@fortheloveofnoise9298
i know that i was refering to this particular review
Another great review as always! Im a huge fan of N performance and also Subaru. I had a 19 Veloster N for 2 years which was fantastic but traded for an M2 comp. But today im in a 22 WRX Limited and its absolutely fantastic and probably my favorite car i’ve owned. But i absolutely in love with the rally vide of this gen with the cladding, and its light video game/rally steering while paired with the handling of the chassis and AWD system. I feel like im in a rally car. Perfect comment about in person looks cause i did not get the styling at all in pics and videos. But fell in love in person. Would like the Recaros but there is no way i can have a drivers car without a manual. I got a Limited to get the better seats over the premium and they feel and look better than premium model. This gen WRX is just freaking awesome
*rally vibe
This gen wrx is awesome? 😂 So you had an M2 for less than a year? Must have lost your ass buying that at a high price and then selling it for way less.
Yea man, its a great chassis.just a shame they decided to not offer an STI for it. Definite mistake made too early. But yea About 11 months i had the M2. But i never pay high for a car. If a deal cant be had i just pick a different car. How i ended up in the WRX now instead of type R or GR corolla.
I love the trebuchet analogy for turbo lag
Great reviews as always! (But "EDriver"? Looks like an ED drug I'd see on late night TV. heh 😄)
We did not pick that promo code… but it does get a good discount on great products! Thanks for watching!
43k for that WRX experience seems really steep when good F80 examples are in the 50’s. Imo I were in the market I’d wait and save a bit more for the M3, but that’s just personal preference. The N is really in a class of its own for mid 30’s though.
Dealers are marking the Elantra Ns up by me had to pay 2k over sticker for it, but was worth it
The Elantra N doesn't leave you in N mode when you come back to the car because of the db levels of the exhaust. The default setting has to be under the allowed levels of sound upon start up. This is their way around it.
I always start mine in N mode ! Sounds so good and now even better after the resonator removal !
Bet you neighbours don’t think it sounds awsome
@@gs98999 Thats why I tried them up in them basement. while i drive my cut out exhaust Mustang
@@fortheloveofnoise9298 that seems like a loosing legal battle to try them if you're the one making noise.
Yeah that’s why when I got pulled over I turned the car off.
The officer was complaining about my “obvious” aftermarket exhaust.
I said it’s stock and then he has me start it. It was normal mode and he wondered why it wasn’t loud. Lol
As a kid I always told myself I was going to get a WRX as soon as I could afford one. Fast forward to 25 years old, the Elantra N was the clear choice and I’m so happy with it.
Every time I watch your videos at the end I'm always confused 😂😂😂
I'm glad channels like this ,Carwow, and Savagegeese still exist reminds me why I've been a car enthusiast since I was 4 years old.
We're glad to have you watching, Thank you!
I have driven the Elantra N automatic, it's a fun car to drive! I have had around 15 Subarus over my lifetime. My favorites were the 2004 Subaru Forester XT, and the 2004 WRX wagon. None were as much fun as the Elantra N. I used to think I had to have AWD because I live in Ohio. The newer Michelin snow tires convinced me that I don't. I think AWD kills some of the fun in a car. I just drove the GR Corolla, AWD doesn't diminish the fun in that car.
Tires are much more important than drive wheels in the snow. Glad to have you with us. Thanks for watching!
I had an 04 Forester XT also, my friends made fun of me driving a 'mom' mobile station wagon. It felt nimble, peppy and lythe, but lack of sterring wheel controls, terrible MPG's, loudish road noise and turbo lag got old after a while. The new owners seemed happy though
Love the analogy @3:00, it's why the i30N amd my good friend who has one match so well, he has the same personality and just wants everyone to have a good time and commends people, makes them feel good.
Good thing he doesn't fart and burble constantly along with too I guess. 😅
Thank goodness the 2024 gets a better looking front end. One of the main gripes and why I didn't even bother looking at the EN. Now I could live with it. Concerns over long term reliability though, and depreciation with the Hyundai. You're starting to find reviewers now that mention this. VB WRX doesn't seem to make a lot of sense about the premium trim for the price though, unless you are getting hefty discount. Tuning potential on the WRX is superb though, that is definitely worth mentioning, as you don't even need to swap the turbo.
And that’s why there is an Elantra N sitting outside right now! Everything you guys said is true! It’s a budget, front wheel drive M car in my eyes!
Congrats on getting one! You have a great car. Thanks for watching!
@@EverydayDriver And for under MSRP! Markups and ADM’s be damned!!
Not a bmw guy, but that EN has fun factor and sportiness that can only come from passed down inheritance
Id 100% have to go with the WRX, the elantra N may be slightly more fun to drive on DRY pavement. But if you live in a place with dirt roads, bad winters, or both. The AWD capabilities of the WRX will allow it to take you places the elantra simply couldn't follow.
Only EverydayDriver can make me watch a video about two cars that I have zero interest in. Good job guys. I’m happy to hear Hyundai has announced plans to update the front end styling on the Elantra, because…😳
How would the Mazda3 stack up in this comparison? I feel like its kind of a forgotten competitor in this segment. It has an AWD variant, turbo, nice interior and a subjectively nice exterior. Pricewise it's in the same ballpark too, I do realize it's a touch more expensive though at the highest trims where you get the AWD and Turbo.
Lost interest after I heard there was a CVT in the WRX.
I'm very curious why Subaru doesn't offer a manual on the top trim. Shouldn't you pay more for the enthusiast model?
While BMW only offers a manual on the M3 for the 3 series, Acura offers it on the Integra only on the A-spec and Cadillac only offers it on the V performance cars.
I think they know wrx manual is for the younger buyer, often on budget. The top of the line one maybe they want some of the audi crowd for example?
Question, would you guys choose this new WRX in wagon automatic form? Or reach up a bit and buy a porsche cayman 981?
Both have their quirks, and drawbacks hmm
I can't wait for the redesign of the Elantra N! It looks much better!
Not even close. The EN takes the cake in practically every category.
It doesn’t take the cake in the appearance department lol but thank goodness they’re addressing that in 2024.
I really question your credentials when your favorably comparing the scooby cvt to the EN DCT. No offense.
Many asked us to drive the Elantra N DCT, and Subaru wanted to promote their top/GT trim. Seemed like a good comparison to us. Thanks for watching.
Paul sounds extra manly today. It’s like the Friends episode where Phoebe’s singing gets better when she’s sick. I’ll miss the voice, but hope you feel better anyway. ;)
great vid as always!
Awesome review! Glad you reviewed the GT CVT version!!! The wrx looks really nice and will probably age well 🤷🏼♀️
Everything but the tablet interface. I'm not sure how any car with a huge screen like that will age well.
@@staylor0902 I'm sure in the future, they'll be either an updated screen to swap in, or an aftermarket one.
@@staylor0902 100%... if we look at the last 15-20 years we're *definitely* not moving towards more or larger screens.
Remember in 2008 when you had 15 TVs that were 75" and now you only have one and it's 15"?
Or how phones are (not) getting smaller.
Or how cars have *literally* gotten more and larger screens year-over-year since then?
Meh, it's probably just a fad like the Internet, the cellular telephone, and the car itself. We'll be back to horse and buggy any day now.
Any. Day. Now.
Personally the EN is what I’m going for. Just saw the 2024 and I’m thinking of trading in my forte GT now lol
I own a 23 EN they're amazing cars for the price
Hyundai engine wont last even 50k.
@@asfdafasdfwfrg explain why my VN has 80k miles and has never been to a shop for anything other than tires, alignment , my elan sel has 122k🧐 stop the bs if you take care of it it’ll take care of u.
@@asfdafasdfwfrg good for you knowing that! I’m getting one either way
Paul is a trooper for powering through. You can hear how raspy his voice in the video.
Thanks for hanging in there, Paul! With that aside, you guys are mean! You take my two favorite cars, pit them against one another, and give a very down-to-earth explanation of each car's strengths and weaknesses. You don't know how incredibly difficult you've made my buying decision, especially because I have to wait another 1 to 2 years to replace my current '13 Mazda 3 Skyactiv hatch (manual, of course!)!
Seriously though, you two have put out another kickass video! Thanks SO much! Cheers!
Glad you enjoyed it and it was…. Helpful? Great cars to decide between! Thank you for watching!
Interesting comparison. Subaru whiffed on the steering feel and the GT has gotten pretty darn expensive. Adding insult, they've abandoned the easy-to-use rotary knobs for the HVAC that I have in both my Forester XT and BRZ. I have to agree with Todd. As much as I'm totally enthralled with the N's performance, I just cannot warm up to the looks. I see there is a refresh coming, but IMO it only made the front end better, while making the rear end much worse. And it still carries the "mark of Zorro" on the doors. Too much going on on the exterior. Good review, as usual. Hope Paul mends up soon.
Kind of where I'm at. I don't mind the mark of Zorro but I like that comparison haha. The design on the side skirts and, to your point, the rear are a rough look though. The red lining is tacky and the paneling in the back makes its butt look turned up and floaty rather than strong and grounded. Wonder what some small tasteful mods would do.
Great reviews as always, guys, and I hope Paul feels better! And you will not find another car review channel with a review who references a trebuchet!! 🙂
I wanted a WRX for years. Test drove a few, but never did buy one. I'm now 53 and the WRX just seems too much like a kid's car to me. That's not really the case, but I think that boat has sailed. And for the sticker prices on new WRXs, there are much nicer cars you can buy, even some with AWD. (Not all-time AWD like a Subie, but you still have AWD if needed.)
But what really kills the WRX for me is the fuel economy. I drive 15-20k miles per year, and I can't stomach a car that averages mid-20s mpg. Also, Subaru seems proud of that pattern in the plastic cladding, saying it improves fuel economy, but is the trade-off in ugliness really worth the extra 0.25 mpg you might gain?
I agree with Paul, the car does look better in person. But it's still worse looking than the last generation.
Having said all that, if Subaru made this in a 4-door hatch version again, I'd probably buy one. Their stubborn refusal to bring back the hatch is crazy. They would sell, and maybe even outsell the sedan version.
I like the looks of the Elantra N, as well as a couple other cars from Hyundai. But I think it goes back to my feeling that I'm just too old for the boy racer machine now. It seems like it would be tough to be a daily driver for me. So I guess I'll just have to admire the N on the rare occasions I see one.
What car have you got,, a Toyota Corolla?
...yep. in 2022, I drove my 2019 FA20 WRX 13,402 miles, used 465 gallons of 93 (avg $4.35/gal), spent $1946 on gas, and averaged 28.79 miles per gal on 54 fill-ups
@@K03sport That’s better than I would have thought! 👍
I’m 56 Tim and my last cars have been Type Rs. Forget what the Jones’ think and get what makes you happy! I’ll take the financial hit at the pump for an increase in torque and fun everyday! I’ve owned a Lexus version of a Prius. Never again! Life ain’t no dress rehearsal! It’s all about smiles per gallon…not miles.😊
Being a year later, curious if you've thought about what cars you feel are better and considering?
It seems both are excellent, as for me I'd have to test drive both and pick a winner although the Elantra is cheaper.👏👏🍻 an enjoyable episode thanks l liked it.
Was looking for a fun daily and drove both. The WRX left me waiting for the test drive to be over, the N left me waiting to sign the papers. No contest, the N is waaaayyy more fun and lively, and taking corners in this thing is a blast. It’s faster in a straight line too. Oh ya and it’s cheaper and has a better warranty. Easy choice.
I tried buying a Golf R and all the stealerships were marking them up & forget about trying to buy a GR Corolla or Civic type R but I dropped by my local Hyundai dealer & they had two Elantra N's with the manual transmission & no mark up. I almost bought one until yesterday when I heard a better looking Elantra was coming.
We are very interested to see the refreshed styling in person! Thanks for watching!
Where do you live? I'm in San Diego and every dealership wanted a 5k mark up or charged none but wanted a 2k unrefundable deposit...(I only found 1 dealership out of 6 that would do this)
@@EclipseShotz I’m in Vancouver. The manual cars are $40,000 CAD or converted $29,693 USD.
@@Loopsrainforest I’m in Canada also and markups are very rare where I am, except at Kia and Hyundai. The Hyundai dealers alone would make me avoid their cars.
@@gs98999 That's so funny to hear. I cringe at people who say a dealership experience alone makes them avoid a car. I've been to many dealerships, including hyundai and kia's and I've had no issues with any. How much of a snowflake does one need to be to be so severely affected by short infrequent encounters that might not be all perfect?
I’ve really been looking forward to getting the N-Line but I’ve held off because I think the front end looks bad. Glad to see they’re finally making it look better
Don't get the N-Line. You might as well get the N if you're going to spend the extra money.
N Line and N are not the same.
I was surprised how good the refresh looked on the Elantra
Why not,Nline premium is still a great option as an everyday driver,you get the road assist unlike the N,and not everyone wants the sport fart aggressive sound
@@ikennneto6481 21 N-Line owner here. I feel like I cheated the system somehow by buying it in black(which hides the grill better) and getting it in manual. It still sounds fantastic, but doesn't have the pops/bangs that wake up the neighbors.
i have a Kona N... it's such a hoot!
Lol this makes up for my complaints RE Elantra N missing from the the GR Corolla, Golf R, Type R video! Thank you!
We hope you also saw our comparison film of the Type R vs the Elantra N? Thank you for watching!
@@EverydayDriver I did! And I loved it. The parking garage at work now holds both of these vehicles, and a few other gems like a lady driven MK4 Supra and a C6 ZR1... I'd imagine that all around the CTR is the better drivers car but I find myself double taking at the EN every time though, looks wise and out of curiosity to test the strides Hyundai N has made in the market
One unstated advantage that the Elantra N has in this comparo though is the warranty.
"hyundai warranty" changed meaning of warranty.
warranty mean nothing anymore.
@@tocreatee3585 I have a Kia Forte GT and I had to use the bumper-to-bumper warranty a couple of times with no real problems. Did I have to wait a week for parts sometimes? Yes. But a week isn’t that bad. Hyundai/Kia/Genesis are overall turning out great product, recalls notwithstanding.
Yes. Rather have a 10 year warranty from Hyundai and some dealers extend that warranty compared to a 3-5 year warranty from Subaru and with how many people complain on Subaru pages and forums about dealing with Subaru dealers warranty process Hyundai is less painful to deal with. They will more than likely replace and engine no questions asked over US domestic brands or Subaru.
Hyundai N ❤❤❤
If you live in a snow heavy environment, it would be wiser to get the WRX but with snow tires, the Elantra N works well. If you are strictly looking for fun, hands down...Elantra N wins period.
No doubt the Civic Type R is the FWD king but it's at the very minimum $9,000 more expensive excluding the markups. I'm happy with 90% of the Type R at $10K in my wallet.
We hope you saw our CTR bs Elantra N film. Thanks for watching this one!
It would be nice if the GT dropped the cladding and added a manual. All it would be missing is a big rear wing and huge Calipers gripping drilled, slotted rotors
Superb camera work guys! A nice improvement along with improved mic work and transition music.
Nice to have these videos back on your YT channel first.
This has us wondering what you last saw from us…. The production approach here is the same as most of our work. Glad you enjoyed and thanks for watching!
@@EverydayDriver Maybe I’ve been paying more attention to your podcast and not seen your vids in a while. In any case I enjoyed this one!
An Instant Classic Car Comparison Video!!
Thanks guys !!