City Fan Claims Kompany Was Better Than Van Dijk | Agree To Disagree |
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2021
- We're putting football rivalries head to head in the ultimate debate show. In this week's episode a City fan and a Liverpool fan are here to settle the some of football's biggest arguments.
Can Man City ever be considered a big club?
Did Raheem Sterling make the right decision leaving Liverpool?
Is Klopp better than Pep?
This is Agree To Disagree
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If your mocking a fan base in an argument then you’ve already lost it
I guess a lot of people lose arguments then.
@@mr.talldarkandhandsome4111 that is correct, they do. If anything, a 'lessened' fan base provides even more credit to the team, as fans play a big part in performance.
It is relevant to the size of the club tho. City just don’t have a big fan base so they aren’t a big club. They have been the best club in England over the last decade I would rather be good than big. But some fans seem weirdly obsessed with being a big club when then should be happy with being good
Fans are the clun basically so if someone mocks fans then they are mocking a whole club
@@paulcasey4282 Liverpool have been good and big since klopp arrived so no.. ide rather be both, that has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard
This Liverpool fan seemed like a reasonable chap when he argued with the Man U fan. How wrong I was.
They’re both so embarrassing
I strongly di
@@Thomas-sx9pl literally nothing wrong with the city fan
@@Seannn1 Thomas was talking about the Liverpool and Man Utd fans.
@@Seannn1 City fan was humble and reasonable. It was refreshing to see.
This Man City fan is genuinely one of the most measured and articulate football supporters I've seen on CZcams. Everything he says makes sense to me, even if I don't wholly agree.
Really, really enjoyed being part of this! Was a good chat. Despite who he supports, Callum is a top bloke! 😅
For the record, even as a United fan I was backing you in the "City are a big club" debate XDDD
You represented your club really well mate, as a Chelsea fan I really appreciated your answer to him asking if we're a big club. Of course we are, as are you. This Liverpool fan is the exact reason so many people hate Liverpool.
I rated everything you said. I am a city fan, however I do think klopp is the better manager due to the nature of the teams he has worked with. Pep has always been put into super winning teams
@@josephicha9150 what?
Really
Steven
You are a top guy bro 👌🏽
I really appreciate your club
The Man City guy is actually realistic. The other guys is mentally draining
Nah the city fan is just petty
Thanks mate! I tried my best ha
The city fan is equating spending as being a big club and that's not what defines a big club.. its a multitude of factors, world wide fanbase, how many European and league TROPHYS which lfc have miles ahead of city, revenue & and sponsorship(legit revenue not state sponsored doping like city)
@@MoejiiOsmanTV but saying they will NEVER be a big club is just incorrect
I want what you’re smoking, City guy is a petty bellend
Love the title already. Van dijk had a higher peak, kompany had the longer career at the top. So far Kompany's legacy is probably greater
Not really. Peak>career otherwise if u put career over peak the Phil Jones>van dijk aswell
That means if a player has a better season than Messi ever had but fades after that one season, he's better than Messi who's done it forever? Makes no sense
@@streamz9278 as a Man United fan I ask if you went to school, because you clearly don’t understand what you’re saying.
Why on Earth is this being discussed anyways? Did VVD retire or something?
Atleast let him finish
If there was a career debate then it would be Kompany vs Ferdinand.
As a Liverpool fan, Man City are a big club. Thought the City fan came off pretty well!
Yeah man I’m glad he represented us well, honestly sorry this Liverpool fan was on the other end he didn’t come off as reasonable. I know there’s a lot more die hard fans Liverpool fans who are respectful
What he come off well by saying the Liverpool team of the 80s wasnt a big team sorry 😐
@@joshpluck8299 if we ain’t a big club now then Liverpool wasn’t a big club in the 70s… football was no where near the size and it is today…. I’m not saying Liverpool wasn’t a big club but to say we ain’t a big club and is ridiculous…. Our all time home attendance record is 85,000 and Liverpool all time highest is 67,000
@@jmacmcfc4662 were did i say man city aint a big club i just said how can he say Liverpool wasnt a big club before the Premiership when football was about football and not a business
@@joshpluck8299 ok fair enough matey 👍🏻
Man I feel second hand embarrassment for all the Liverpool fans. Boy am I glad I support city, this guy speaks very logically as all City fans should
Of course, just like Guardiola is better than Klopp and we aren't going to mention Dortmund's and Liverpool's performances agaisnt Bayern and City and only think about 3 league titles and make question hypothesis on how Klopp would go with unlimited money....totally missdirecting the point of the argument
@@fernandop1094klopp could do peps job at city guardiola can’t do the job Klopps done at Liverpool end of
@@Htg010^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Stephen makes me so happy that he represents us city fans on youtube, I could write down the arguments against us before the debate happens, city fans never ever have said we are the biggest, not one of us, we aren't stupid, but have we been the most successful in the past 10 years, yes, has the money helped, yes, will winning trophies makes us a bigger club, yes.. these are all facts, they just are. Everyone is so jealous of us, and id be too haha, total dreamland for all us city fans!
The money didn't help it's the sole reason. You were dogshit before. Not a dig just being honest. Enjoy though it def is dreamland. Here's to a good season.
Jealous of a club that’s never won the European cup 😬
Don't try and act like the money only "helped a bit" u were absolute crap b4 the money. This oil money is the only reason you're in the conversation
@@Eggshells4life They've won one in 1970 though?
@@_stone_age4673 cup winners cup is not the European trophy.
So proud that Steven represents us a club, speaks the most sense out of any fan in the prem
If man city don't win ucl in next 2 years they're finished they've spent a bil while peps been there they can't keep all they're players if they don't win the ucl. Man city guy arugement is dumb city where one of the deadest teams and he tried comparing them to arsenal and Chelsea
@@Cameron-qc7yk man united spent almost 1 bil after saf but still couldn't win pl
@@Ivan-wr2vy don’t tell them facts, they don’t want to hear it
He's dillusional he can't even admit that city are a small club which is fact, they don't have the worldwide fanbase to united, lfc or even arsenal
@@MoejiiOsmanTV city have worldwide fans from Nepal Algeria india Indonesia
This Liverpool guy is being defeated in every argument😂
Man Im so happy to have Stephen as a city fan
Stephen always representing City well
Always love Steven 👌🏽
Awesome dude
great lad he is
He is excellent, always fair and not as ridiculous as some fans (AFTV). I like the liverpool guy but could they not have got a scouser?
@BILLY PIECRUST and?
Really? He literally said liverpool weren't a big club 30 years ago, absolutely clueless
Love this series, watching the deluded one try and argue with the sensible one is painful and entertaining
@Sana Hashimi is this an actual a question?
@@placed6187 surely not the one who said kompany is a better leader because he speaks 5 languages looool
@@GR-rx5tx surely not the one who said man City is not or will not be a huge club...
@@theafghanabdi8368 I mean it has been 10 years of success and they still put speakers in their stadium to create an atmosphere 🤣🤣🤣
@@GR-rx5tx you need to stop getting your information from 12 year olds on tiktok.
City already averaged a higher percent attendance and overall attendance than Liverpool the last season fans could fully attend matches? The whole ‘emptihad’ joke and no fans argument is outdated and inaccurate. City fills their stadium better than Liverpool and has a higher average percent than Man U as well although their stadium has a much larger capacity.
I wouldn’t say City fill their stadiums more than Liverpool but the etihad is near enough full every matchday and I know because I’m a season ticket holder
They zoom in on some empty seats and then type LmAo EmPtYhAd 😂
stop lying to yourself even Pep was persuading you fans to go to the emptyhad
@@benjaminchikamba8570 🤣🤣
@@sofiajxx2019 it’s really not your main man had to beg for people to come to games
Liverpool fan - I think Kompany was a phenomenal CB. Throughout all the years of spending at City, the only player who remained at the heart of the team was Kompany. I think if VVD keeps performing at the level he has been for the next 5yrs or so, then yes maybe you can compare the two. At the moment, you can’t.
5 years? try 10 then yea
Kompany called vvd the best ever pl cb
@@tafsearmunear7019 and Messi never calls himself the best ever.
@@no-sparringholloway I’m talking about vvd and kompany lol we all know messi is the best ever 😂
liverpool fan is stuck in the past, cant see the future and denying city who have been the best team in the prem and consitantly performed well in all competitions.
also hes decided that there are two big clubs in england because that was the case ib the seventies before that city were a bigger club with a good team.
and hes rejecting the fact that both utd and liverpool were bought over by massive american sports franchises and are just as corporate as city now. city fan at least made fair points !
You can be a great team but a terrible club. He’s not wrong
I have a feeling that they deliberately get people like him to make stupid arguments. Almost all the questions here aren't really questions. City is already big club regardless of their history
@@mustafa-pq3ki nah they are middle club. Big club has multiple UCL etc
@@mustafa-pq3ki city are far from a big club
@@mustafa-pq3ki success doesn't make u a big club its the fan base
I'm a liverpool fan, I'm now a disappointed liverpool fan
Yeah this guy is so biased
Football is dead !!! Goooooo to the city's an find real local fans !!!!!!! This is embarrassing
@@sizzler4179 he’s not
Sucks to be you then.
@@ruks345 sucks ruks....
Final question should be answered in terms of legacy IMO…. Ability was no doubt Van Dijk’s way more gifted and better than Kompany, but as a leader of men and being dependable whenever the club needs him most Kompany outshines Van Dijk any day of the week.
Nope Van Dijk was and incredible leader of men not just for Liverpool but for his country. Man is captain of Netherlands. He controls the backline and directs the goal keeper, fullbacks and center-back pair. He leads the team when Henderson is absent. Van Dijk is COMPLETE.
@@donaldiwejuo8335 but could he maintain that for 10yrs?
@@donaldiwejuo8335 van dyk is no where near kompany
@@donaldiwejuo8335 watch Lewis redmen in the Liverpool vs Chelsea debate when they ask who’s better terry or vvd. He explains very clearly why it’s terry, and he’s a Liverpool fan. It’s the same thing here. Vvd was at Celtic when kompany was lifting prem titles.
@@Unknown-qs2wu Phil Jones is better than van djik cuz he performed for longer
This is the most typical Liverpool fan I’ve ever seen, head absolutely stuck in the sand
Funny, most people say the exact same thing about Manc utd fans😂
He’s really not I support Liverpool and disagree completely 🧐
@@yinyang8259 Yh that’s because Man U fan they had on was fucken brain dead, especially the argument of Gerard and scholes. Gerrard was better but lampard was better than both overall but they were very close
@@seanoconnor3481 never underestimate Scholes, he’s KDB level assist making and passing, if it’s not clear I’m a city fan and couldn’t give a shit about united but he was great
@@ufjghdjrgs185 no doubt but all of them were great but it’s fine margins that one is better than the other
Gotta say as a red born and raised less than a 10min walk from Anfield, it is crazy to say Man City can’t ever be considered one of the biggest clubs. They are currently one of the best teams in the world, given time they may eventually get to our status. YNWA JFT 97
Bigger club doesn't just mean the team and trophies, but the fans, the worldwide attraction. City will never reach the level of Liverpool and City. Never.
Not until they win champions league
@@jeromefrancis5205 still he need to beat 6 to Liverpool and Man United 3 and 20 PL Title
plus they got no fans at all. the fans who are trying to be one in this day and age is a bandwagon, plastic. They can barely name 10 man city legends ffs. and now they are saying they gonna be a best club in the world overcoming United and Liverpool? and got no fans?
@@bryangunawan12 their badwagon fans? What like all the man u n liverpool fans that come from the south of england thay jumped on board after their success?
The Liverpool fan has no good arguement he’s just waffling
I mean the city guy did say kompany is a better leader coz he speaks 5 languages 🤣🤣🤣
@@GR-rx5tx It’s not a relevant point sure but as a captain and as a leader your communication is vital. Having foreign players around you at every edge of the pitch speaking to them in their language and making them understand what to do is a great skill to have.
@@Bigballslegend I know just a pointless thing to say, VVD can speak with all Liverpool players lol
@@GR-rx5tx well no point having a proper chat with someone who’s that deluded he mileswell play along
I disagree
3 minutes in, the Liverpool dude is seriously deluded and is extremely draining.
Man...what the heck xD
The City dude is class and is trying to put forward valid points while Callum is just desperately trying to grab at the high chair.
As a Chelsea fan we've haven't always been winning lots of trophies,we won a few and had some great players but we've always had a massive fan base.We were setting records back in the 40s and 50s for record attendances at matches
So have city mate
Man City have the most attendance of any club in England. And it was in the CHAMPIONSHIP! But city have glory hunters
Vincent Kompany (minus his injuries) has consistently been a top class defender and one of the best leaders in premier league history. VVD however, is a better player but can he do it consistently like Kompany did.
As a City fan I'd go along with that. I know he had injuries but Kompany has that decade or so there, big moments for us like the header against United in 2012 and and the Leicester goal. I know there's an irony and probably a bit unfair me talking about goals for a CB but it's just things that happen over a longer period of time. We will see how Van Dijk gets on. He is a colossus no doubt.
@@mcfch9625 Manchester City coach and fan also👍
Vvd is the complete defender, nobody else has come 2nd to Messi in the balondor... Kompany never was even nominated for balondor of I'm correct?
@@MoejiiOsmanTV Where have I said in that statement that Kompany is better than VVD? I’ve clearly said VVD is a better player? I’m talking about Kompany has been a top defender 10+ years, let’s see if VVD can do the same
100% he can do it consistently, not as long as Kompany though.
Man City are a big club tho, by this guys logic you have to be successful from the moment Football is invented
Liverpool fan was so delusional
Big club financially but prestigious wise no
@@didakeepa cry more
Which Liverpool weren’t when football was invented they didn’t even exist 😂😂😂
@@electrotheo5459 I think he just didn’t want to admit it
Im a liverpool fan and i actually thought the city fan came across a lot better. If city stay at this level for another 20 years then they will be an elite club, no doubt.
Vincent was a world class player in his prime but unfortunately injuries kept him from playing regularly
Virgil has been fit every season until last, if he gets back to his best this season he will again be the best in the world
Its VVD for me
I’m a Liverpool fan but I don’t know what the Liverpool fan is talking about, if Man City keep winning more and more trophies over the next few years/decades they’re for sure gonna be classified as a big club
They won’t because they’ve bought all their trophies with oil money, same as PSG
@@maxw6398 They will, also man United have spent as much money as city and they can't even win the Europa League
Winning more trophies doesn't make you a big club... Clubs are a part of our culture and family, so the big clubs are only going to be bigger and as a result no matter how big city are going to be they'll always be smaller than the big clubs... It's a fact... Look at villa bro, they haven't won a big trophy for a long time but still have a big and loyal fan base.
@@sd_forrest villa have never and will never be a bigger club than us….. we’ve been pulling bigger crowds than them for decades….
@@maxw6398 we are a big club….. we held the record the for biggest home match attendance in England football for more than 80 years…
You should do Celtic and Rangers that would be a heated one
Great idea man
Will probably end in haymakers
Would be Celtic fans conceding that rangers players weren’t terrible and rangers fans giving no ground despite getting dominated for a decade
@@lukestanton-deeley5154 🤣🤣🤣
Fact: City have averaged greater PL home ground attendances than Liverpool for 12 of the last 20 years...yet apparantly City have no history before the cash, no fans before the cash and were not a big club before the cash. Reality check time.
I’d say Kompany over Van Dijk. I think Kompany has kept a high level for a long time, whilst Van Dijk came in and was phenomenal, but he has only been at that level for about 1-2 years (not counting this season, cause of the injury). The same with Rúben Dias. He played a phenomenal first season, but the question is; can he (and Van Dijk) keep it up or are they good for 2-3 seasons, and then flop. Kompany just didn’t fall off in level IMO.
The first question is like saying Barcelona is a big club only because they have always been a big club. False. It grew over time as it accomplished more and star players become attracted to the accomplishment. Another example is PSG: created in 1970 and grew into what it is today because of accomplishments and star players seeking to join over time. Do you think Messi would have joined PSG if they have not become such big contenders for the UCL in the past few seasons?
The common denominator for creating a "big club" is time. Time allows for more accomplishments due to successful strategy. Then, star players become attracted to the club for their accomplishments and/or extreme potential.
Common denominator for big club is not time, but money. Only reason people want to go to PSG is because they can offer 2x more than any other club on average. In terms of success, what has PSG won that can be considered a great achievement? They have yet to win a CL eventhough they have the 2 most expensive players in history for more than 3 years now. Messi coming to PSG has nothing to do with PSG being a big club and more to do with PSG being able to afford Messi's wages. Which is no coincidence why the only two clubs that came up once Barca announced Messi's departure were the two richest club in football..
PSG did not become a big club over time ..... u clearly don’t know what u are talking about . The oil money made them a big club
Messi had no other option mate. Rather be a free agent or choose whqt is best available right now and psg perfectly fit that boxes.
How do you think these so called big clubs that obviously grew with time attracted big names and eventually signed them?
With money of course.
You can't say that Barca and Madrid were inherently big and hence players went there.
You're not born big. And fan base comes with the success. Don't tell me fans like to support a club that keeps giving them hiccups and they want to stick with it only because the club itself has always been bigger.
Players gave them the success that resulted in them attracting big names.
And money was a central element to this growing ladder.
@@michealfitz5763 PSG made a ucl final in the 90s and Weah won the balon d'or with them. They had success before the oil money
Stopped watching after deluded Liverpool fan couldn’t accept that Man City will eventually be a big club. At the level that they have been playing the past 10 years and how they are playing they will have so many trophies and growing fan base.
open your ears
They only start doing good when they start getting oil, so how does that work
They can be a big club but they will not reach united, Liverpool or even arsenals worldwide fanbase for atleast 100yrs when u haven't even won a ucl trophy vs 6 for lfc and 3 for united.... Let's be realistic they can't even fill there stadium... Pumping state sponsored money into a club for 10yrs isn't gonna make u a big club compared to the traditional big 3
@@MoejiiOsmanTV The statement was that Man City will never be considered a big club. You just said they can be so how can one strongly agree. If they do it in 100 years that means they can so you can’t strongly agree. Like the guy said Man City needs time to grow like Liverpool, Man Utd, and Arsenal did to get to where they are now.
@@MoejiiOsmanTV as a liverpool fan I think city could easily win 6 ucl's in the next 20 years and maybe 8 league titles honestly. How would they not be considered a big club then? They could easily get a significant portion of new fans through their success
My Argument for Klopp and Pep would be every time Pep managed he came into a winning team/scenario with winning culture. While Klopp in other hand was not as blessed, with lack of funds compared to his rivals he dominated with BVB against Byern. A team that was trying to buyout his team, same goes for Liverpool. It takes a decent or good manager to come into a dominate team and carry on dominating, you'd have to crazy or absolute shit to ruin the team's reign.
Blah blah, loserpool were a top 3 team, he couldn't win anything until spunked 70 mil on GK and a defender. Give it a rest
These two spoke sense thourghly enjoyed this episode...and im a scouser from liverpool...good lads
Respect to LFC and all buuuut....that guy doesn’t represent u surely? He’s delusional
@@ufjghdjrgs185 the first one he was dumb but the rest he was logical
History doesn't remember the amount of money you spent on success. City PL trophies 11/12 (known for the iconic Aguero goal) 13/14 (known for Yaya being unstoppable) 17/18 (centurions) 18/19 (beating liverpool by 1 point) and 20/21 (false 9 brilliance). No one talks about how much money we spent to win all those trophies, we only talk about the money in year of winning but a few years on and it's all forgotten.
@BILLY PIECRUST shut it bozo no one needs your trolling go take a nap
@@zahrajaffer03 villa are a huge club tho
@@wesleygatzke9545 ik they are but he keeps commenting it everywhere
@@zahrajaffer03 oh I see... hai let him be✋😂
Don't agree really. I still see people bring up Chelsea's early titles and where that money come from quite a lot. The money doesn't change the fact that this is a great team deserving of their trophies, but people will definitely not forget the money when it comes to City. It's literally part and parcel with the name Manchester City now. City could pack out the stadium every game for five years and people will still call it the Emptihad.
2:58 That's not totally false tho. During the late 80's and early 90's Man Utd used to have the same amount of trophies as Aston Villa (7 League titles and 1 CL)
The difference was that Manchester United were still considered the biggest club despite Liverpool having dominated.
Time does change things but United and Liverpool will still be considered the biggest. In Italy the big 3 are Juventus, Inter and AC Milan, despite AC having been poor for a long time.
Thing is that Aston Villa were a big club. My Dad used to tell me that it was Villa, Everton, Arsenal, United and Liverpool that were seen as the biggest clubs in England. Behind Everton, they have the most top flight seasons ever. Right now they are still a very respectable club and you could make a good argument Villa are still a big club right now but they haven't won much of note in the past 20 years.
@BILLY PIECRUST I'd like to disagree. City don't have as many FA Cups, they are on the same amount of League titles but Villa have been in the top flight for time with the most seasons in the top flight behind Everton so City would need to consolidate themselves in top flight football for about another 20-30 years.
@@maxabah7904 In the 80's United and Liverpool were still the big boys. Everton, Forest, Leeds, Villa, Arsenal and Spurs were considered the next tier of clubs at that time.
Even though Leeds were relegated in the early 80's, it was considered a blip like when United got relegated in the 70's.
When you look at 3 of those now, they spent a long time away from the top division and none of them have had the backing of a Man City or Chelsea.
@@dawnmancaloriankeebals4262 AC always have their UCL haul to fall back on, it lasts a while
As a Liverpool fan, I will tell you that Man City is a big club and that it is a fact
Thx m8 🙏
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Pep has a far better legacy than Klopp, and I'm saying this as a Real Madrid fan,
You can't deny it, Pep is up there with Sir Alex Ferguson. Comes in second in my book, and I think every football fan knows it.
The Liverpool fan is probably to most deluded person I have ever seen 😂
Am liverpool fan too but this man is deluded city is a big club😂😂
If you think this liverpool fan is the most deluded person, watch him debate with man utd fan, then you will know who is more deluded
The utd fan said fernandes is better than gerrard💀 now he is beyond deluded💀
@@jahcoby1601 bruno is a pen merchant but he’s still a good player, better than gerrard? No way no chance hell nah
Jahcoby City aren’t a big club at all 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Saying City aren’t a big club is just stupid, there a 4 insanely good teams this season and people are saying that City are defo winning it this season and no ones kicked a ball yet, they have to be a big club if that’s the case. Also they are a big club but they will never be as big as Utd or Liverpool.
They’re not a big club facts.
@@Azzi_0161 they’ve won almost half of the league titles in the last decade how can they not be a big club
@@adz7147 what if you swap owners?
If liverpool is backed by that kind if owners no person in the world would even point a finger on us as they do it with city cause our club has done it without the help of external force. Take it or go down.
Rangers are bigger than city ffs. Your fan base is laughable. I do love watching that city side mind u along with Leicester.
@@labos7250 well in fairness Rangers are a pretty massive club in terms of history and popularity. City are just a mid table English team that bought success. No amount of success will ever free them from Uniteds shadow
I’m gonna be honest, as a Liverpool fan it was embarrassing listening to some of the things Callum had to say.
As a Liverpool fan have to admit Chelsea and city are big clubs… the players they’ve had, trophy’s. It’s just facts man :)
This guy from Liverpool is deluded hahah! You can't deny City will grow to become a big club, huge even!
He's not from Liverpool lmao
But they won’t have same stature as Liverpool or Utd.
Oil money and that’s all.
Not really, if they fall off now and pep leaves, they could easily slip down, they would have had a good decade but never be up there as one of the biggest teams ever
He's not a scouser
He’s not from Liverpool, like most Liverpool fans
Not even a City fan, but these scouser talk so much shit. Next they're going to say Van Dijk is better than Ramos, Maldini FFS 🤦♂️
In what world is van dijk not better than kompany? At no point was kompany even close to being considered the best cb in the world. Van dijk absolutely was, even almost won a Ballon d'or for it and continues to be considered one of if not the best cb in the world. The city Fan was the more sensible overall but in this aspect he was simply incorrect
In the first half of the 17/18 season our defence consisted of Karius, Moreno, Lovren, Matip and Clyne. We lost to Spurs 4 or 5-1 and Lovren got subbed off after 30 mins. VVD came in in January and we beat the centurions 3 times and got to a UCL final
And? Same with Ruben Dias but I’m not saying he’s the best in the prem and in the world
5:33 did this guy really try to say Arsenal weren’t bigger than City before Wenger absolute 🤡
No he said they weren’t as big they are around the world before wenger
@@mosespelican3507 Even around London, never mind England or the world. Thierry Henry is the reason half of Arsenal’s London ‘fanbase’ exists.
@@mosespelican3507 5:35 he said “arsenal weren’t bigger than man city before that though” which is absolute fucking bollocks
@@cuck1ngfunt chatting utter shit Before Henry and Before Wenger also arsenal were by far the biggest club in London and easily the 3rd biggest in England.
Im a Liverpool fan lived in Liverpool my entire life, this fan is waffling about city never going to be a big club, they will be if they keep their success up the city fan actually makes a valid point about time being the metric
If we are talking about legacy Kompany is clear on the pitch I think VVD edges it but I respect both highly I think the stats also show that Van Dijk at Southampton and Liverpool won more aerial duels than Kompany huge respect for Vinnie never gonna see a character like him again
You can’t compare them yet. Kompany is miles clear in terms of career and he’s currently got a better chance in being in the all time best XI than vvd because he’s done it for years. Lewis redmen explained very well in the Liverpool vs Chelsea debate when they asked who’s better terry or vvd, it’s terry. Kompany was consistent throughout his career whereas vvd was an average cb for Celtic whilst kompany was lifting prems. It’ll be 5 years til vvd can be compared
@@Anonymous-iv9cz Terry VVD is a whole other debate and Kompany is nowhere near Terry so it’s not a good comparison but I see what ur saying about longevity but at the end of VVD’s career at Liverpool on his trajectory he will finish as the best PL centre back ever he also was able to lift the UCL but he’s also a better CB imo but I get what ur saying👍🏾
@@s.a.1710 vvd will probably overtake kompany but he won’t be the best prem cb ever. He’s got a good coach and strong team of players that’ve helped him win the prem. he wasn’t as good as this for Southampton, Celtic etc. you’ve got to look at the career as a whole and vvd is currently no where near kompany because it’s only been 4 years when kompany signed for city for 3m and consistently performed. It’s like Salah, currently he’s probably the best player in the world but will he ever be better than Ronaldo and messi all time… no
@@Anonymous-iv9cz still a bad comparison during his time at Southampton and Celtic he was younger but still had decent players around him and if u watched football back then you would see that Van dijk was brilliant in that Southampton team that’s why we paid 75m for him
@@Anonymous-iv9cz You can’t say that kompany is better because he went to a better team earlier you should be comparing them as players careers are different and I already said Kompany has a better legacy but he’s not a better player than VVD
At this moment you can't compare because you'd need to review when VVD has finished playing but for me Kompany is better. He was a proper captain and you could and still can see the hole left in city since he finished. I'm a untied fan so I hate both of them mostly because either of those players are what we desperately need.
Steven measured as per. Representing the city people well 🙌 and yeah I'm taking Vinny or vvd everyday
First of all this Man City fan is logical and I like him and of course he will back his coach but I have always rated coaches such as Mourinho and Klopp better than Guardiola and that’s not to say Guardiola isn’t a fantastic coach. Guardiola hasn’t won the champions League since he left Barca which is a long time now. He choked in the Champions League final last season. Klopp has flaws too but he’s been able to bring more out of players with significantly less transfer budget.
Also choked against Lyon in the quarters aswell
Klopp choked the champions league with both Dortmund and Liverpool both 🖕🖕so shut up
@@arneshsingh7239 😂 if you want to say Guardiola is better, there are arguments for that side but sadly your argument is not a good one. Choking is when one team is significantly favored to win and loses such as when Guardiola’s Man City lost to Chelsea or Lyon. With Dortmund, it was an achievement to even get to the finals, they haven’t even been to the semi-finals after he left. With Liverpool, they lost to REAL MADRID (the team that won three champions league in a row) so I wouldn’t call that choking, btw Liverpool beat Man City in the QF that year with a worse team so I guess Man City choked that year. Klopp has had way more European success than Guardiola (Since he left Barca) with much less budget spending. If you want to say Guardiola is better you would argue that he’s better in terms of consistency and philosophy but not through the Champions league. Also, I still think Guardiola is one of the greatest it’s just that I value when a manager achieves something doubted as almost impossible. For example when Mourinho took that Porto squad and winning the champions League or when Klopp goes with 97 and 99 points in back to back season. Even when Liverpool won the Prem that year, before the season started, Man City were favorites due to their squad depth.
@@arneshsingh7239 wo apne abba se kam se kam paise toh nahi mangta barabari krne ka.
Guardiola is the best manager of this century
Stop ur agenda
if we go back long enough ago, Liverpool weren’t a big club, anything can be accomplished with time, sure they might not be respected like other clubs, but if they keep winning and getting the best players, it’s only a matter of time
And what era you're talking about when Liverpool wasn't a big club.
@@sd_forrest In early 50s and 60s
@@maxabah7904 and where was city then??
@@sd_forrest City won the league in the 60s and won a fair few Fa cups which at the time was pretty big.
Why do talk about past when u are 12 years old max?
As a Liverpool fan it’s kinda embarrassing to have such a “fan” representing us. Like already at the beginning couldn’t understand his argument to why city won’t be a big club. On the other hand I would love to share a match with the man city lad. Seems like a genuinely nice guy
He was. As a 34 year old with Adams being but before my time off go JT, Rio, Kompany, Vidic, van Dijk.
This debate would’ve been better if it was one of the Redmen instead.
Nah
its making city look good, but they re so have lack of honor
@@h0197 what?
@@Unknown-qs2wu they was disgenious with the trophies theyve won with spending. Surely its obvious
@@h0197 every club spends now, it’s a hollow and salty argument.
9:24 class reply from Steve😂
Debate about bigger clubs can be rested if the questions would have been would man City and Chelsea or be relevant if they stop winning titles.
Arsenal stopped winning major trophies and they're still relevant
The fact he said city will never be a big club is enough to not watch the rest. All that money and world class players, trophies coming in and fans will follow over the years
Let’s agree on this,in like 20-50 years,Man City will known VERY VERY well in history.
But right now,no 1 is caring bout city
Plenty people care about City right now, that’s nonsense. Best coach in the world, best team in the league, the best players in the world want to play for us, we always compete in every competition. We’re massive and people know it but don’t want to admit it.
I care about them, it's the club I love
@@zahrajaffer03 course u do,am on about the people that c Man City and their reaction is like “okay…….and?”
Or like when city won the pl, no 1 cared(from wat I saw on socials)
@@Bigballslegend as I lfc fan I agree but from wat I c , no one fully says this or that bout city that much (from wat I c on socials) apart from city fans and other fans go negatively back and forth.
no one will care about city and thier oil money
Why does always one have to be better than the other? I'd say, if you can't apreciate Players/Clubs/Whatever seperatly for what they do or did, you are simply missing out.
Because thats football
@@danielknight6958 thats toxic fanbases
The whole premise of sports in general is that one has to be better than the rest.
@@un4175 whole point of all events💀
@@danielknight6958 no sir, it's people.
1. “Man City will never be considered a big club”
This question purely comes down to each persons definition of what a “big club” is. I’d argue that City are currently a big club due to their current success, but If we are going by the Liverpool fans logic then no, City are not currently a big club due to their lack of history. Having said that, there is certainly no reason why City cannot become as “big” as Liverpool or United if they remain on the course that they are currently on.
2. “Pep Is a better manager than Klopp”
I think this is an extremely difficult question because we have never seen Klopp with the financial backing that Pep has received, and we have never seen Pep manage a lower quality side. I personally believe that Klopp is better at developing players, and Pep is better at managing world class sides. This is why they are at the perfect clubs for them. Having said that, I personally believe that Peps way of football is so technically demanding that he needs the best players in order to play his way, so if they swapped positions, he would possibly struggle more than Klopp, but realistically they are the best managers in the world and there is very little between them.
3. “Sterling made the right choice in leaving Liverpool”
I agree with both fans in the video. Yes he made the right decision in terms of trophies that he has won, and yes he made the right decision in terms of the lack of quality players that were at the Liverpool at the time. He also made the right decision in terms of his bank account.
4. “Van Dijk is a better player than Kompany ever was”
The answer is yes, as Van Dijks best individual season is better than Kompanys. Kompany never came close to a Ballon D’or. If we’re talking about their entire careers, then of course the answer is no. Kompanys entire career overshadows Van Dijks massively. It depends on how you want to interpret the question.
Detail m8 😂
@@WakaWaka2468 no one needed to
you know ball, couldnt say this better.
Kompany is better than vvd. I don’t think he ever had a better season than vvd but in terms of legacy and importance then it’s kompany. Kompany was lifting titles when vvd was at Celtic and no one heard of him. I don’t think kompany is as good as puyol, Ramos, pique etc which is why ballon d’or’s never came his way maybe now he could’ve been considered a bit.
City won the first division (now the prem) before United. And the FA cup before Liverpool did.
We equal Liverpool in number of FA Cups
Kompany himself said van dijk was the best cb in the premier league
What, was kompany gonna say that he was the greatest centre back of all time? Humility
We all say things we don't mean just to not cause controversy.
that's cause he himself was past his prime years and was talking about that moment in time
only
that's cause he didn't want be big headed and say himself
Man said Man City isn’t a big club 😂
Why
I’m a united fan, but it is illogical to say a club that is clearly on a successful trajectory can never one day become a big club
5:18 that is so wrong 💀. Arsenal had always had a big fan base, just gained A LOT more due to African, European and South American players. Which made Arsenal known as a multicultural club
Always?... No... obviously not
the thing about pep is that he makes great players outstanding. like since he's taken over, he has took walker, sterling, gundogan, bernardo, fernandinho, and even aguero, and made them outstanding
Klopp does that as well
What about Salah, Lewandoski, mane, fabinho and alisson
Klopp has done it with a lot more players
@@jensarntzen2272 virgil too. he was good at southhampton don’t get me wrong but him coming to liverpool at a big club he has ucl experience now and he has more attention compared to when he was at southhampton
Kind of I guess but not really. Walker was arguably better at Spurs, Poch had him playing top notch football. Sterling yes but you could also argue that was just natural progression as Sterling was young when he was bought. Fernandinho I fully agree. Bernardo I agree. Gundo not really, this past season yes but it's the first season he's had at City that was better than his time at Dortmund. Aguero no lol. ''Made them outstanding'' Aguero was already outstanding and probably even better beforehand.
Did this guy really say City were as big as Arsenal before Wenger, actually deluded they had won the league 10 times before he came in city had won twice at that point...
Bruh, should I tell him?
@@ufjghdjrgs185 tell him
As a united fan I’d like to think I have a unbiased opinion, but the thing is you can’t answer this question fairly cause who was/ is better in the air? Both amazing and very dangerous. Who has the most physical presence? Both big units you wouldn’t want to sprint into. How good are they defensively? Arguably they are the best defenders each club has ever had in my opinion. For me if I wanted rashford to run at one of them it would be kompany, he has everything Virgil does except pace and for me that makes him the lesser of the 2
I agree with the city about the super club thing, it is ridiculous to say they can't be or aren't even at that level now. However I disagree that Liverpool weren't around 30 years ago because at that time we were the biggest and team in England and had won the UCL 3 times
What people seem to forget is that Kompany was bought for £6-8m as a CDM and VVD was already established in PL and went for massive money
3 million*
ay bro im a united fan but vvd wasnt even heard of
@@eliekazmouz8918 I mean he was at Southampton. Many people said he needed a big club to be recognised on a global level. Everyone knew his level was good for Southampton
Ability: Van Dijk
Legacy: Kompany
Not really, Van Dijk has a champions league
@@71hammyman Yeah, but you can't really judge players based on trophies. Maxwell would be one of the best in the history of football
@@MihaiMarcut then what's the point in saying legacy for kompany? Ome rule for you and another for Virgil
@@71hammyman When I said Legacy I was reffering to the time played by each. I guess Kompany has a legacy because he was captain and played a lot of seasons for the club. Virg already has a legacy and I'm hoping he will surpass Kompany in the next few years. YNWA
@@MihaiMarcut can't argue with that then
I actually wanna do one of these with me being Sheff Utd and someone being Sheff Wed
I'm from Australia and there are more and more city fans here everyday, overseas fan base definetly is growing despite what this fool is saying. I'm not a city fan but you can't deny they're on the rise.
Are they Melbourne fans by any chance?
@@amorphous7474 nah I’m from Sydney so it’s not the Melbourne city -man city connection causing it here. just kids naturally look at who the best team is and bandwagoning them. It’s the reason so many 90s kids are arsenal and united fans this generation is gonna produce a lot of city fans.
On the last video (Man Utd vs Liverpool), the Scouser was talking sense.
Here, he is totally bonkers. The first question was will City be a big club, not "are they a big club" 🤦🏾♂️ and yes, City will become a big club, and they are pretty big right now too
Facts
Don't even think he is a scoucer
1. Kompany has a bigger legacy and always will. Maybe VVD was better on pitch but nobody compares to Kompany.
2. Saying City is not a big club is nonsense. What defines a big club? We might not have such a successful history like Liverpool or Man U, but for the past 10 years we have been making history, and this will continue for many years.
3. Both managers are class, but no one can compare to Guardiola. His managing has been around longer than Klopps, won more trophies, and modernized football. Klopp is good, but saying he is better than Guardiola is just messed up. I know I'm biased, but many will say the same.
I agree with #1 and #2 but #3??? No way dude.
They've both dominated and got ridiculous amount of points and personally I would say Klopp is better when it comes to managing a bunch of underrated players and turning them into superstars.
Pep is better when it comes to managing big squads with big names.
Man City are clearly already a big club with their financial might and trophy haul. However, Man City would not be able to keep up to Liverpool or the other traditional big clubs, without the oil state backing.
@@reecetheobald3474 3# is right, come on u think klopp> Guardiola?
This Man City fan knows what he is talking about unlike that Liverpool fan
Giardiola spent a lot that's true but if u compare how much players sell under mou at Chelsea when he 1st came to Chelsea. Before 100M can buy u 6-9 quality players but today 100M at most can get u 2 or 3. Hell, one player cost above 100M
Two great defenders, but van dijk winning champions league and nearly getting the dor has to stand for something
That’s the con of playing for man city. No matter how good you are, you’ll never even get a chance of winning ballon dor. If aguero, kdb, kompany play for Liverpool or other “big clubs”, I’m sure they’ll at least got into last 3 shortlist
@@izzatirfan1995 well that's not true, you could argue the same with liverpool, Salah should have won it, and Van dijk should have won it, they haven't because they play for liverpool
@@71hammyman Messi deserved over Salah and Vvd, it's no debate
@@jadenfernandes6745 VVD deserved it that year. The Ballon d'Or is just a popularity contest sometimes
There is no way Vvd would win the balon d'Or over Messi that season, that was Messi's best season since 11/12, he had 51 goals and 22 assists in 50 games and with that dead Barca squad he nearly won a treble, won the league, reached the final of Copa del Rey and we all know if Liverpool did not do the comeback Barca would win the ucl
The City fan was tryna say man u and liverpool have not been before the last 30 years smh. united won the ucl and liverpool were dominating in the 80s
I dont think he meant exactly 30 years, he said that number to give a sense that once upon a time ManUtd and Liverpool weren't very successful and then they went through extended periods of dominance to cement their names in history. The City guy was trying to say that this may be Citys period of dominance which will ultimately lead to their successful history
Liverpool 1 league and 2 UCL in 31 years isn’t that good
@@weSnooker those 2 ucls tho hold a lot of weight most english clubs don't even have 1
Reason city won't be considered a big club is they will always have that tag of "winning the lottery" as prior that they were bottom half table regularly, yes Chelsea also had same but Chelsea where always flirting top 4 before Roman.
Virgil and kompany to close to call, in kompanys peak there was many great defenders to rival him, with Virgil not so many so he does stand out more, both good but honestly can't call it and you would have either and not be disappointed not having the other one.
So Man City could be winning trophies and titles for the 50 years, and it NEVER be considered a big club? And never be as big as Utd or Liverpool?
Lmao
vincent kompany is a legend and is an exceptional defender. unfortunately he had one too many injuries before the end of his career which took the shine off him. i think Van Dyjk has been largely iunjury free and risen the standards substantially in every team has played for. made players look good beside him and changed the course of the teams he has been in.
“Largely injury free” should I tell him?
@@ufjghdjrgs185 :
According to TransferMarkt, van Dijk had only suffered one injury which sidelined him for more than six matches before the severe knee injury. Van Dijk had an ankle injury back in 2016/17 which kept him out for 18 matches. This was his only other long-term absence before the 2020/21 season.
Pep revolutionised football, Klopp is an excellent coach
Just dropped in to see a City fan in flesh...these are a rare lot indeed
Rent free
When’s the next glazers out protest ????👍
@@steviet1704 why does it bother you so much
Get over it
You have a higher chance of finding a man city fan in Manchester than a united fan
@@thedragonofechigo7878 what? It doesn't bother me, just find it funny that's the only line united fans can come up with, I grew up with them dominating everything and we were pony, now they have to scrape the barrel
Ima city fan and the only reason I would say that kompany is better then van is because vans still playing and has more to earn. I think you can only compare 2 players when both have retired 😁
No Van dijk and Kompany are still below the greatness of King Mustafi.Legend🙏
Pablo Escobar: “I am not a rich man, I am a poor man with money”
Chelsea and Man City: “I am not a big club, I am a small club with money”
That logic is so flawed
@@rohangulliver4269 nah nothing but facts
@@nevousabonnezpas4286 and look how well they are doing now
and not one team in the world would turn down the money ,success ,and players that they have both had
If anyone thinks that knob Pablo Escobar is worth listening, they’ve been watching too much Narcos, and talking to too few Colombians.
Man straight up disrespected my beautiful chelsea not a big club what you talking about fam, first time I could ever agree with a man city fan
Need to have a word with who is doing your sound. Turned off after 2 minutes sound quality is woeful.
when arguing big clubs. u should separate it into three categories, fans worldwide, trophies and players
or maybe more
A southern Liverpool “fan” tryna tell us Juve are bigger than AC and City and especially Chelsea arent big clubs? Dont make me laugh😂😂😂
Juve are the biggest team in Italy with the biggest fan base in Italy
@@joestrutter180 Doesnt make them the bigger club just based on following mate, sorry😂 AC have a far better history silverware wise and talent who have played for em in the past.
@@psychoticsithlord2602 Juventus have 70 honors compared to Milan's 48. And that's just basic math
@@joestrutter180 how many UCL Juve got? You cant honestly tell me AC aren’t a bigger club than Juve?
@@psychoticsithlord2602 Milan have 7 European Cups which clearly makes them a massive club, but Juventus overall have won alot more honors
For the City will never be a big club debate you would have to clarify what it means to be a big club. The reason why people dont hold City as high of a regard as United and Liverpool is not because they havent had huge amounts of success but because of how they got that success, Liverpool and United both started as small clubs as well but how they got to their heights is much more respectable than Cities. Liverpool and United gradually grew in wealth and power through their success which for 1, gives them history and 2, gains the respect of others as it has been proven that they worked for the success whilst City just gained a load of money and a good coach out of nowhere and became successful in a matter of a decade. While I think City are a big club its not in the same vein as a how people would view United and Liverpool
Fair enough
It's definitely not the same vain as United and Liverpool are traditionally seen
You know this rivalry will never end one club will always think their better than thee other as a City fan I respect Liverpool and it achievements but let's not say one club is better than thee other cause we will all defend our club in these type of situations yes Liverpool has more championships titles which is a very very very fantastic achievement but when it comes to the better club Liverpool but I'm saying that cause of history but overall both clubs are still growing so let's give it time
Y’all should do a debate on who was better at their times in their club between aguero and rooney
Klopp doesn’t need to spend money….
Literally only won those trophies because he spent big money on a centre half and a keeper.
I hate Liverpool but Klopp spent big money on 2 positions only. Guardiola spent big money on every position and even spent huge money on his bench. Klopp is better than Guardiola.
@@Unknown-ol2uh no
@@Unknown-ol2uh guardiola made barca one of the best clubs in the world bruh
Chelsea fan, I’d go with Van Dijk without hesitation
Your dumb. I guess we do have 10 year olds as fan
No it’s kompany don’t lie
I'm a Liverpool fan but that Liverpool fan is so unreasonable
The fact the Liverpool fan said strongly disagree Man City will never be considered a big club should have immediately set off bells that he doesn't know anything...and that was the first question