What if Iraq Won the Iran-Iraq War?
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i saw the original title when i got the notification “iraq wins” lmao 😭
Nuts
I saw it too lol.
They stay winning 😤
I saw what if Iran won the Iran-Iran war lol
Same
why was the notifications title: “Iraq wins”
Unsure
Because that’s the video title.
Probably to grab attention.
I was like “man’s really just phoning it in on the titles, respect”lmao.
he probably accidentally uploaded it with just the file name instead of updating it
"Advanced deep into Iranian territory"
-Barely moved away from the border
Well technically yes
When your entire border consists of mountains and deserts, barely moving away from the border IS advancing deep.
Considering this is in a post WWII environment, any recognized border change caused by war is an outright miracle.
it is alot
mountains
It’s worth noting that in this hypothetical timeline, Hillary ALSO wouldn’t be part of the 2016 election, since a lot of her relevance came from being a former First Lady, which she wasn’t in this timeline.
If you watched closely, he said Clinton *was* President - after saying it would be likely he wouldn’t be.
It was done to make projecting easier. Otherwise it would be different from current world it would be meaningless.
In this scenario I got the US Presidencies as:
1989-1993: George H. Bush
1993-2001: Bill Clinton
2001-2009: Al Gore
2009-2017: John McCain (assuming he survives)
2017-present: Hillary Clinton (or another Democratic President)
@@rebeccawinter472 not gonna lie that seems kinda lazy and stupid to just say “Clinton was president” despite him having zero reason to be. If I had to pick candidates for the ‘16 election, it’d probably be Obama vs Ted Cruz, with Obama ultimately winning. Though even then that’s a loose guess, but still a better one than assuming Hillary SOMEHOW takes the election despite having literally zero reason to even be on the PRIMARY BALLOT, let alone the actual election
“oNlY oGs rEmeMbEr wHeN tHIs wAs cAlLed “iRaQ wInS””
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Yea
Lmao
จริง
yes.
This scenario could've been titled "The Two Marios", as a man named Mario could've become POTUS if another man who looked like Super Mario won a war years earlier.
Idk what you are trying to say but this makes me think of "Mario the idea vs Mario the man"
@@coinyfrombfdirealI was only commenting on the fact that in this video's timeline, Mario Cuomo's odds of being elected president are better than in ours because Saddam Hussein, who looked very much like Nintendo's plumber in red, won the Iraqi-Iranian War.
Read Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi. It's a graphic novel about the Iranian Revolution and Iran-Iraq war from the perspective of a child. It talks about how the Ayatollah's regime used propaganda on kids, how regime change changes people and what life was like for communist revolutionaries. Even the ending would make Rick from Pawn Stars cry.
That is a great book
one of my favourite books of all time
100% recomended
Good book
Impossible that man wouldn't cry if his firstborn child was sacrificed to Baal.
'they take this so it doesn't look stupid on a map' 💀
We are talking about a megalomaniac on one side so I could see this being a reason for Hussein that he doesn’t admit too lol
Apparently Nazi Germany never got the memo on that.
Good now make a video where Iraq lost Iraq-Iran War.
Man kissing.
Video is basically done already!
@@possiblehistorycan't wait 🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
@@possiblehistory What if Everything went Perfect for Libya
@@shzarmai They'd reform the Ottoman empire basically, have the Ottoman prince accepted the throne of Libya. It'd be a funny scenario
@@shzarmaiThats a good idea
It's important to remember that Iraq was in NO position to invade Iran in 1979. It too was dealing with political turmoil as Saddam was consolidating his OWN regime - he would purge the Ba'ath party extensively in this year. In addition, the Iraqi military was barely armed and needed a year to modernize and even arm itself effectively. Saddam invaded ONLY as soon as he was ready.
A much more realistic scenario of an Iraqi victory would be the Soviets also invading Iran from the north - after all, the USSR, NOT the USA, was Saddam's main ally and patron.
Though the several billion dollars worth of aid to Iraq from the US was a big help! The Soviets were stuck in Afghanistan, so aid was more limited as a result
Lmao ! Saddam had NO patron for your information.
The soviets entered Afghanistan in December of 1979, they are unlikely to fight another war.
About Khuzestan looking "stupid on a map" if integrated into Iraq unless they were to annex more territory north of it, I don't think Iraq wanted to take Khuzestan in its entirety, but only the area with flatter terrain. It becomes very obvious how this would shape the two countries by looking at a topographic map of the region, and it looks a lot better without the mountainous part of the province. However, you are right that at least a small portion of Ilam would be needed to perfectly shape this. I don't know if there are any maps from the time period showcasing Ba'athist Iraq's exact claims.
I think the Ba'ath regime was at least officially pushing for an Independent "Arabistan", the dream of Arab nationalists in Khuzestan, and those guys are maximalists, often calling the Lurs who live in the north and west of the province "occupiers of rightful historic Arab lands"
Iraq's basic strategy was "Annex everything down to the Strait of Hormuz."
...Yeah, they weren't very smart.
There isn't because Iraq never claimed it nor did it want to annex any land.
See the last operation in the war when Iraq recaptured Iranian land only to give it up for resumed diplomatic relations in 1990.
It did however fund separatists but it wasn't exclusive to the Iranian Arabs, the same happened with Kurds and Baloch too.
If I'm not wrong, Khuzestan is the province with the largest oil reserves in Iran. There is also the only oil refinery in Iran, of course Iraq will occupy it.
@@treazy8600 It has the largest oil reserves but it is not the only place with oil refinery, there's even a refinery near Tehran, it has a subway station named after it.
Yes Saddam would want to conquer all of Khuzestan, however the fact that half of Khuzestan is mountainous and its population not Arab, really makes it impossible to occupy even in a scenario where Iraq is much more successful.
Title is straight to the point i see
Great video
Awesome video! I’ve rarely seen anyone go into this scenario and i think you nailed it
Keep up the good work Mr History
Really love seeing you go more into internal politics instead of just spheres of influence and lines on maps!
Honestly very well done! Enjoyable and interesting to watch and think about as well.
Love your content! Keep up the good work 😊😊😊❤❤
Worst Timeline (Donald Trump doesn't get the chance to moan sensually on stage in this timeline)
My headcannon for this timeline is trump becoming an Arab femboy instead of a dictator fr
@@Ghosty.maria7 He should become a Pro-Interventionist Communist and win the Democratic Nomination in 2016
@@Ghosty.maria7Wait... He isn't an Arab Femboy???
Trump family becomes hereditary monarchs of USA 😂
@@shivanshna7618Biden*
This was a great one
What if Germany united (including Austria) following/opposing Napoleon? Specifically because it’s the only time I can think of where it wouldn’t directly lead to conflict of some kind
Germany was united including Austria prior to Napoleon as the Holy Roman Empire and immediately after both were members of the German Confederation, along with Luxembourg, before it was dissolved by Prussia.
@@spower69Presumably this is as a unitary state.
@@whitehawk4099 thank you for getting what I meant
so "what if Hardenberg's "41 Articles" or Metternich’s proposal, the “Twelve Articles”, succeeded in creating a Federal Germany at the Congress of Vienna instead of being derailed and abandoned" [unification into a stronger confederation that OTL at the congress of Vienna. Ie the confederation is a bundestaat as orginally proposed not a staatenbund as it eventually became]
Or perhaps "What if Hardenberg's 1805 reformation of the HRE succeeded" ie the HRE survives and becomes more unified during the napoleonic wars.
Good video
ur channel is awesome
Assyrians are underrated in modern Iraqi history imo 🇮🇶
it isnt they arent common and used mostly for propaganda
That notification did a really good job attracting me to the video. Ngl, good grabbing of attention.
This will be interesting
It's incredible how a war between two countries could change the fate of the entire world.
Definitely a good video!
I think it was a okay video to begin with but I think the latter half needs some more accuracy. Israel, the intelligent agencies, and Saudi Arabia has great influence over our foreign policy way more than any oil conglomerate. Islamic terrorism would still exist to some capacity. Many Sunni/wahabbyist militants were covertly supported by the Saudis and Israel to justify US intervention. Just look into the 9/11 attacks and Al-Qaeda
“Iraq is the weakest out of these 3 nations”
Didn’t they have like the top 5th largest military in the world? For a guy who spouts about population being a deciding factor, why do you gloss over the size of their modern military lmao
Simple, in a war the country with a larger population has a larger army
Iraq also had a larger population than Saudi Arabia, even back then, by a small margin.
Both saudis and the Iranians also has their own ethic issues, though nowhere the level of Iraq.
love the movie recap background music
This video somehow made me sad. Good video 😁
hormones
@@barsukascool what kind?
Id rather live in this timeline...
Nice video, I’m currently working on a similar one to make next month. Here are some aspects to improve your scenario: One main condition for an Iraqi victory would be to have Saddam Hussein not take charge of military affairs as he had in our timeline as Saddam was a horrible military leader who executed his competent Generals for disagreeing with him or losing an engagement against overwhelming Iranian odds. Also something to improve Iraq’s chances against Iran would be to support Kurdish rebels in Iran even more than they did in our timeline. Although it’s not the most realistic part, if Iraq promised Kurdish independence, the Kurds in Iraq would definitely fight against Iran despite having two previous Iraqi-Kurdish Wars.
Regarding the 1992 election, Al Gore had ruled out running because of an accident that involved a family death. Additionally Lloyd Bentsen was viewed as a potential democrat candidate, but chose not to run due to the Gulf War. I’d say Bentsen gets the nomination over Clinton as he was very popular during the 1988 election. Bentsen could chose Gore as VP and lead to the 2000 election that you have in your video.
Great job, and I’m looking forward to future videos.
I think you are missing a few key points. One of the main reasons Bush lost the 1992 election was because he raise taxes. During his 1988 campaign, he promised he would never do this. And he stupidly did this in the middle of a recession. The main reason why he decided to raise taxes was his popularity was bolstered by his handling of the upcoming war. If Iraq had not invaded Kuwait, he more than likely would not have agreed to raise taxes. This would have shorten the recovery period of the recession, putting the economy in a growth pattern in 1992. In the modern era, presidents really only fail to win reelection if the economy is bad, and sometimes not even then, like Obama in 2012. So more than likely Bush would have won reelection in 1992.
What if the Dutch got African colonies during the scramble of Africa?
They would probably have Small colonies like Spain because of being late
If only this was our flag :(
Should get the Congo instead of Belgium.
my dream
Nothing because all you would get is the scraps
What if Norway Won the Iran-Iraq War?
(Please do a what if everything went perfect for Norway scenario)
Please do a what if everything went perfect for libya (on my knees rn)
Name checks out
@@allelss-oh8sj 💀
Im guessing most of the saharan states would be ruled by a network of jamahariya governments, which would probably be great for their economies and standards of living in the long term but tons of people would die at gaddafis hands trying to establish those governments?
It's easy just take half of our history and make it the exact Opposite
@@DeanmC261993
As a libyan the problem with the gaddafi is that he ruined a lot of stuff like education and infrastructure because libya in the 50s and 60s was something like jordan today
Now that’s a long video!
I have lots of disagreements with your analysis but thanks for making the video.
Its weird how much people forget we were in a war only 20 years ago
I think you somewhat overestimate Iran. After the revolution Iran purged numerous experienced military officers and installed incompetent loyalists. It isn’t a critical blow, but it could allow for some embarrassing shows of incompetence that could swing the war in Iraqs favor if things went a little worse.
They both got rid of competent generals that's why it's a balanced field of play.
@@FNA27601yeah the only time the arabs did good in a war in the yom kippur war both inital attacks were planned by soviet personnel when it was the arabs turn to make a move they decided to overrun there sam battrys agisnt the advice of the soviets and the the results can be predicted🤦♂️
@historyisawesome6399 actually it was mainly egyptian planning for Yom Kippu as Sadat had cut off relations with the soviet union and kicked their ambassador out when he took charge of egypt. As for the getting out of the SAMs umbrella it was due to the israeli forces overrunning the Syrian front so the Egyptian forced had to open another front even if it meant losing a favorable position.
@@FNA27601 a lot of these plans were in part drawn up during the war of attrition under the supervision of soviet advisors. Secondly egypt should have just dug in and use a defense in depth stradegy
@historyisawesome6399 Egypt was not fighting a defensive war, so why would they use a defense in depth. And no aside from the umbrella part the majority of the plan especially the using water to traverse the Sinai on their tanks was drawn up by Egypt there was very little soviet involvement in Egypt by the time Sadat thought to get the Sinai back.
Day 5 of asking if you can make "what if everything went perfectly for italy?"
Not giving up
what if spain conquered China
Spanish inquisition in China
Can you make a what if ww1 was re-enacted in the modern world video please
Can you finally finish the empire series
What if Kurdistan was able to gain independence after WW1?
Finally my suggestion has been done
That false dead pixel on Afghanistan got me seriously worried at the beginning of the video!
Could you possibly do a “what if history went perfect for Luxembourg?” Sources may be a little difficult but i feel like it could be an interesting scenario!
Next do What if everything went perfect for modern Iran.
Can you do "what if everything went perfect for Serbia" love your videos ❤
Could you do a video on what if everything went perfect for Carthage? I’ll coin the term, “Pax Carthaginia.”
Can you please tell in the description how the music you put in is called, I love it but I don't know how it's called except classical music
Suggestion: What if Margaret the Maid of norway survived?
Great video, but a nitpick: no matter how popular Perot got, Minnesota would never be won by the Republicans in 1992; it has the strongest union culture of any state and was (once upon a time) the only state not to vote for Reagan, so it's unrealistic that it would vote in significant numbers for either of the anti-union candidates (Perot, Bush)
You should do a video "what if the cold war was a 3 way war" and the 3rd pillar is an united UK and France after the 1956 Suez Crisis
Do a what if everything gone perfect for Iraq video
Yo Possible History Please
do What Of Joseph Stalin Lived Longer!
More tension in the cold war, slightly better sino-soviet relations, no anti-soviet uprisings in early to mid 50s(would probably happen later though, when stalin finally dies), gulag system goes on for longer, Lavrenti beria would likely get executed even earlier(stalin hated beria in his last years). Overall more political repression in the USSR, more tension in the cold war, and a more united communist block
I read the title as "what if Iraq won the iraq-iraq war" and was deeply concerned
Video idea: What if New England had revolted in 1812
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Hey can you make a What if everithing went perfect for Albania pls?
Please make a companion video to this on what if Iran won the war, Alternate Histroy Hub made both videos a long time ago but they were not really good. A video on 1979 revolution not happening would be good as well.
Or what if the 1979 Revolution happened, but Khomeini and his band of psychopaths failed in seizing power?
FINALLY!
What if european countries like russia or Austria became islamic?
Bosnia conquers entire Austro-Hungarian Empire
Cody from AlternateHistoryHub already did a video on this concerning Russia.
Could you do a video on if the Aztecs, Maya, Iroquois, Incas, etc… from an alliance to beat the European powers out of the Americas? Or alternatively, if Christopher Columbus never landed in the Americas at all?
Watching these videos with no sound is really weird.
Pls do empire video
I think this might be a better timeline in every single way.
Do all Italian wars in history
What is the music name? It sounds great.
can you do : what if egypt won egyptian ottoman war
Thanks for making this video and I’m Iraqi and I enjoy this video so keep up the good work❤ and thank you for making a video about my country ❤
Video Idea: What if Francis of France never got his ear infection that killed him, preserving France's marriage with Mary Queen of Scots, making some sort of Franco-Scottish Union? And would they still inherit England and Ireland?
Can you make a video about: What if Australia won the Emu War?
Can you do a Video on what if the peasent rebellions in the hre where sucsesfull?
Hey What do you use for your maps?
Now can you do a video on what If Shah(king of Iran) or masadiq weren't deposed?
Can you do what if everything went perfect for Britain?
When you propose an “alternate history” but your version was the version that happened…
The us won’t ever allow the oil to be held by one state
Do a "what if India won the 1962 Sino-Indian war" video
6:55 gomberg map? Is that the one where California is an island?
Considering that the iraqi forces wins the war against isis ( which is the strongest terrorist organization) that even Europe couldn’t defeat it and had attacks
Iraq is strong and have a strong influence over the world but the political problems and corruption had its impact
What if 9/11 was a nuclear terror attack?
I would imagine it'll escalate Article 5 into a complete and total occupation of the middle east and a deep investigation into finding where the nuclear material was found
Probably actually prevented, since smuggling in or creating a nuclear device would be harder than hijacking planes, due to lax air travel security.
How would they get nukes lol Russia wanted good terms at the time and the Chinese need American buyers
Middle east probably ends fucked
What if everything gone perfect for iraq video please
What if everything went perfect for the Paris Commune?
Does anyone know what is the song that plays from 15:48?
The US gave saddam the ok to invade kuwait. They set his ass up lol
can you do a video what if the shah wasn't overthrown
Will there be an episode about What if Burr conspiracy succeded?
You should do a video of what if the world looked like the globus polski
Great. now please make a what if 1953 coup never happened.
Next: what if Iran won the Iran-Iraq war
Can you please do what if Britain alliance to Napoleon
What if Crassus and Publius went through Armenia as offered by King Artavasdes II. Not only was this the route Trajan went to conquer Parthia, Artavasdes offered 40,000 soldiers and supply. This would become the norm in the region in the Persian-Roman wars but Crassus didnt realize Armenia was being genuine with their offer.
Prior to the conquest, the Licinia family would have already been far more rich than the Julia and the Pompeii, with the conquest of Persia Crassus and Publius would be the richest in Roman history up to that point if not in its entire history. Crassus, Publius, and Marcus Jr(the one who survived and became a trimvir irl) would all use the cognomen "Parthicus" to further strengthen themselves, and rightfully so as Rome would award the cognomen to Crassus and his family.
Id still say Caesar wins as he was just the greatest general of the 3, but what results from this and how he'd pull it off would change a lot
A person was once asked : “what are the effects of the french revolution”
He responded with :” it’s still too early to tell”
Why is your video chapter Called Halo CE.
You should do a scenario the other way, what if Iran had a total victory over Iraq
It's easy to hypothesis alternative history line. But it's hard to predict the future of that alternative line. I believe the current reality is the best possible outcome in every historical line. because i believe in predestination
Let’s go😊