What if Iran won the Iran-Iraq War?

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Komentáře • 584

  • @possiblehistory
    @possiblehistory  Před 2 měsíci +226

    Considering I did a more US politics video last week with the Iraq one, I decided to go with a focus on an (extreme) outcome on the ground here. Hope you enjoy!

  • @TherealMatthias1998
    @TherealMatthias1998 Před 2 měsíci +1070

    What if Maria Theresa and Frederick the Great married, uniting the Habsburg and Hohenzollern dynasties and giving the Habsburgs about 150 years of MUCH better leadership

    • @hmm8454
      @hmm8454 Před 2 měsíci +186

      Heresy of the highest order. That would require Fredrick to not be gay which defined a large amount of how he was raised. (also that means no Joseph the second)

    • @EdwardMorgan-gf8bk
      @EdwardMorgan-gf8bk Před 2 měsíci +30

      How do I say this…

    • @TherealMatthias1998
      @TherealMatthias1998 Před 2 měsíci +104

      @@hmm8454I never said they’d be in love lol. Was he at bare minimum bi? Absolutely. Probably gay? Yeah. I just find it an interesting what if lol

    • @KartvelArca
      @KartvelArca Před 2 měsíci +6

      Wasnt fred gay?

    • @Sadnessiuseless
      @Sadnessiuseless Před 2 měsíci +64

      @@TherealMatthias1998 have children anyway you dont need to enjoy it since he was a royal and all

  • @theshoe1391
    @theshoe1391 Před 2 měsíci +719

    What if James bissonnet intervened in the war

    • @Disco13895
      @Disco13895 Před 2 měsíci +145

      Wrong chanel bud😂

    • @U.K.N
      @U.K.N Před 2 měsíci +108

      Bro got channels wrong 😅😅

    • @stargazer-elite
      @stargazer-elite Před 2 měsíci +120

      Possible history and history matters crossover when?

    • @Emane899
      @Emane899 Před 2 měsíci +25

      Depends on which side he funded

    • @merengueatang4
      @merengueatang4 Před 2 měsíci +95

      Well that would of course bring in Kelly Moneymaker, which would of course have major ripples across...

  • @CSquared11
    @CSquared11 Před 2 měsíci +491

    Alternate title: Iran Won

    • @U.K.N
      @U.K.N Před 2 měsíci +11

      😅😅😅

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci

      Uhh, watching the video, it seems more of "bin Laden won" cause everything is worst in this timeline

    • @ariaspes3842
      @ariaspes3842 Před 2 měsíci +21

      considering that Iran was fighting the entire west and saudi money lol

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Yeah, probably, past tense specifically

    • @ramble21
      @ramble21 Před 2 měsíci +7

      Lol I understand this joke

  • @supersaiyankeyblademaster2427
    @supersaiyankeyblademaster2427 Před 2 měsíci +382

    What if the Taliban handed over Bin Laden after 9/11?

    • @P0PG03S
      @P0PG03S Před 2 měsíci +29

      This.

    • @BigScreamingBaby
      @BigScreamingBaby Před 2 měsíci +56

      That would have been one hell of a suprise for sure.

    • @jamesk5541
      @jamesk5541 Před 2 měsíci +137

      ​@@BigScreamingBaby
      "What now Mr president the Taliban are handing him over "
      George Bush: "Idk I didn't think I'd get this far "

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +26

      This is absurd, specifically because he's Saudi, but it might be possible that he doesn't get to Afghanistan.
      But at the same time, what's the point? Other groups are gonna get to the middle east and else, and the us probably would keep the Taliban as it was the us that helped them get to power.

    • @bweaddss
      @bweaddss Před 2 měsíci +9

      ⁠@@jamesk5541I think he probably would say word for word "idk I didn't think we'd get this far"

  • @floor737
    @floor737 Před 2 měsíci +237

    What if Norway won the Iran-Iraq War?
    (Please do a what if everything went perfect for Norway scenario)

    • @wegdhass5587
      @wegdhass5587 Před 2 měsíci +6

      Yesssss

    • @the_roman_emperor_fisheater
      @the_roman_emperor_fisheater Před 2 měsíci +10

      this would be cool if he also did one for Denmark since they had so many chances to control large areas of Scandinavia even Britain but kept losing it

    • @wegdhass5587
      @wegdhass5587 Před 2 měsíci +6

      As long as you keep the bubonic plague from doing too much harm, Norway will become the greatest power in scandinavia. They were at their zenith right before the plague hit and likely could have gotten even stronger

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Depends, what were Norway's goals in the war? It might lead to one of these timelines or our timeline

    • @CatarigMaTt
      @CatarigMaTt Před 2 měsíci +2

      🇳🇴🇳🇴🇳🇴🇳🇴🇳🇴

  • @ayubk2638
    @ayubk2638 Před 2 měsíci +74

    Iirc, in our timeline Iran almost invaded Taliban controlled Afghanistan. It would be interesting to see how this scenario would go

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Wait, when? Are you talking about last year or so? Cause the Taliban is the legitimate government of Afghanistan since the us helped take over

    • @StephaneTheard
      @StephaneTheard Před 2 měsíci +23

      @@minestar2247I think he is talking about the
      1998 killing of Iranian diplomats in Afghanistan.
      Basically Iranian diplomats and journalists were killed by the Taliban, and this nearly started a war between them and Iran.

    • @ariaspes3842
      @ariaspes3842 Před 2 měsíci +1

      iran would never invade afghanistan. you should read u s congress notes on iran's involvement with taliban and why taliban are in iran right now retraining lol

  • @morsecode980
    @morsecode980 Před 2 měsíci +71

    **sees the thumbnail** That sure doesn’t look like they won 😭

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Yeah, and in the video they lost even harder

    • @anvos658
      @anvos658 Před 2 měsíci +18

      Winning a war doesn't mean you win the response to winning the war.

  • @indianajones4321
    @indianajones4321 Před 2 měsíci +135

    Here are some things that could help produce an Iranian victory over Iraq:
    1. If the superpower’s didn’t support Iraq due to Saddam’s genocide of the Kurds occurring earlier
    2. If Iran didn’t purge their competent military
    3. If the Israeli bombing of the Iraqi nuclear facility created a second front against Iraq
    4. Iran didn’t take hostages during the Revolution to have a less hostile, but still bad relationship with the US
    5. The Arab states that supported Iraq outright say it’s a loan and Saddam will have to pay back immediately, which further fractions Saddam’s relationship with the Arab world

    • @knightofliberty9297
      @knightofliberty9297 Před 2 měsíci +15

      6. Britain, to avenge the SAS soldiers who died during the Iranian embassy siege, starts supporting Iran

    • @user-rz7fz7tk7r
      @user-rz7fz7tk7r Před 2 měsíci

      About second point. I have a strong suspicion that if they didn't purge the military leaders, an anti-islamistic military coup would be imminent with possibility of the military actually accepting Saddam's demands as they were more interested in the restoration of monarchist pro-American regime rather than fighting the pointless war with Iraq (they don't need anything from Iraq, especially if Iraq is being a pro-American state)

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +6

      Most of the are unrealistic, like, israel intervening would cause support to go to whoever is at war with them(and they have no goal in having either win the war).
      And Iran not taking hostages is dumb, like, why wouldn't you take the hostages?

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +1

      And the Arab states would have made it a loan anyway, but only if Iraq won

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci

      Also, I don't think the west would care about the Kurds if the got deleted by Iraq before the war, they don't care when it happens most of the time

  • @whitewolf-ky3wu
    @whitewolf-ky3wu Před 2 měsíci +218

    As an iranian Azeri turk I have to say that there is a lot wrong with this scenario. Different ethnic groups in this country mostly consider themselves as Iranians and then their ethnicity.
    There are some exceptions but in my life I haven't seen any separatist Azeri in my life and we are the largest minority group in the country.
    Separatism usually occurs in countries where one ethnic group has the almost total dominance over other ethnicities like the Kurds in Iraq in Saddam's time, but here everyone can have any position of power and always could in history regardless of their ethnicity.
    We might not like our current government but we definitely do not want a fractured Iran.

    • @weepingscorpion8739
      @weepingscorpion8739 Před 2 měsíci +40

      I have actually been wondering if there is a movement to unify all Azerbaijanis. From what I can read, this doesn't seem to be the case. At least, not in Iran. Am I right about this?

    • @oicmapper
      @oicmapper Před 2 měsíci

      America doesnt care, they just want to destroy Iran, and Iran eould be in a worse state that independent states

    • @Lockfly
      @Lockfly Před 2 měsíci +1

      In Iran Azeris aren't discriminated against because it's a Shia theocracy and Azeris are Shia too. For Kurds tho there absolutely is seperatism in Iran because not only are Kurds a minority ethnicity they're also Sunni not shia which the Iranian government discriminates against them for​@@weepingscorpion8739

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +29

      But the us would want to fracture Iran, which means that the us would do it anyways just because. And I wonder, how's Iran at this time of the year? Good weather? Not too much fracturing?

    • @neodenz
      @neodenz Před 2 měsíci +2

      Kurds in Iraq during Sadam's times? Are you kidding me?

  • @Da__goat
    @Da__goat Před 2 měsíci +54

    I find it really interesting how Shia Islam has been concentrated in small pockets within the larger Sunni world; Iraq, Azerbaijan, Qatar, and Iran as the major pockets within the larger Sunni space. And then there's Oman with the Ibadi branch dominating the landscape in relative peace.

    • @akshittripathi5403
      @akshittripathi5403 Před 2 měsíci +10

      Qatar is not Shia. You may be thinking of Bahrain?

    • @lempereurcremeux3493
      @lempereurcremeux3493 Před měsícem +7

      Only reason Sunnis so drastically outnumber Shias is that the Shias were locked out of colonizing the Indian subcontinent and Indonesia, the most lush and fertile parts of the Muslim world, in the 1500s. Factor those countries out and you get Shias as a fifth of the global Muslim population, mostly located in what is by no means a "small pocket" in Iran and its neighbors.
      And if you keep Egypt under Shia rule after the Fatimids, that bumps them up to a quarter or more, especially if they start influencing neighboring areas.

    • @artanz1325
      @artanz1325 Před měsícem

      bahrain?

    • @luciddoggo5094
      @luciddoggo5094 Před měsícem +1

      @@lempereurcremeux3493 what do you mean locked out of? Shias were actually way closer to India for like 500 years but they took too long then the turks converted to islam

  • @rokomoric3826
    @rokomoric3826 Před 2 měsíci +54

    Idea: What if Serbia won Yugoslav wars?

    • @E46SedanGaming
      @E46SedanGaming Před 2 měsíci +14

      Would likely just be a mildly salvaged yugoslavia-ish state without croatia or slovenia

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +12

      Depends on how, if you cancel the Yugoslav wars altogether by making Yugoslavia a federation after tito's death, it wouldn't count as Serbia specifically winning.
      But if you make Serbia win by making a seen ethnostate(like the b g that happened at the time) that would be worst for everyone

    • @redcrown5154
      @redcrown5154 Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@minestar2247 ''worst''

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci

      @@redcrown5154 so you are saying the non Serbs of Yugoslavia should be all killed? That it would be better if they didn't continue living?

    • @FodaseNaoLigo
      @FodaseNaoLigo Před 2 měsíci

      Every westernoid you mean​@@minestar2247

  • @moonshinei
    @moonshinei Před 2 měsíci +16

    the Cheney Caliphate rises…

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci

      What's that? And I don't think so, cause Iran doesn't count as a caliphate

    • @namenotneeded5128
      @namenotneeded5128 Před měsícem

      @@minestar2247 Even then Religion prevents Iran from even trying to call itself a Caliphate.

    • @strangehermitman7898
      @strangehermitman7898 Před měsícem +1

      @@minestar2247 Its a joke...

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před měsícem

      @@strangehermitman7898 i don't know the reference, and don't get jokes

    • @U.K.N
      @U.K.N Před 10 dny

      I get the joke but i’d like to point out that shiites don’t accept any caliph other than imam ali and his descendants

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 Před 2 měsíci +10

    Happy good friday! Thanks For this 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @moredac2881
    @moredac2881 Před 2 měsíci +23

    7:33 “I have quite literally zero faith that America can manage this alternate Middle East.”
    So fucking real.

  • @kj07video
    @kj07video Před 2 měsíci +23

    You should do more videos where the turning point has something to do with a nations internal politics

  • @XTach
    @XTach Před 2 měsíci +38

    Bro, you channel is good! I hope you wont fall to politics like many other alt history youtubers. (Monsieur Z, Whatifalthist)

    • @Maskito.
      @Maskito. Před 2 měsíci +21

      He himself said that regardless of a person's ideology, they should not be prevented from making this type of video.

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +27

      Yes kind of a lefty, and history is inherently political, but this channel doesn't seem to fall into that many biases

    • @FodaseNaoLigo
      @FodaseNaoLigo Před 11 dny +1

      ​@@minestar2247Kind of a lefty? You don't even know what youre talking about

  • @ryanlargent9320
    @ryanlargent9320 Před 2 měsíci +11

    Hey there - you mentioned that Carter would be blamed for the fall of Iraq in this timeline, but that would’ve come squarely during the Reagan administration in this timeline. The election of Reagan over Carter happened in 1980 with Reagan inaugurated in January 1981.

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +5

      Oh, that might be good cause it would lead to regonomics to be dead

  • @Afri_Pandora_Archieve
    @Afri_Pandora_Archieve Před 2 měsíci +5

    What if the Aztecs invaded Russia

  • @theguywhoruinsthejoke9027
    @theguywhoruinsthejoke9027 Před 2 měsíci +13

    Iraqi victory - The Middle Eastern proxy war becomes a three-way cold war between Iraq, Iran, and Saudi Arabia, with the US playing on all sides
    Iranian victory - Complete and utter chaos in the Middle East by 2010

  • @gengarzilla1685
    @gengarzilla1685 Před 2 měsíci +7

    Good hell, those internal and external borders make the viewer polls look tame.

  • @IronSparrow870
    @IronSparrow870 Před 2 měsíci +9

    What if America returned to isolationism after WW2? Not getting involved in Vietnam and Korea.

  • @CliffThePerson
    @CliffThePerson Před 2 měsíci +13

    What if everything went perfect for the Soviet Union?

  • @keegandecker4080
    @keegandecker4080 Před 2 měsíci +6

    What if the Bronze Age collapse never happened?

  • @Nn91.
    @Nn91. Před měsícem +9

    What if a Kurdish state was made in the aftermath of WW1?
    Just thought it as a good idea

    • @MD.Akib_Al_Azad
      @MD.Akib_Al_Azad Před měsícem

      A Kurdish state was made wasn’t it? It was probably a French mandate but it was made. It just got obliterated by Ataturk

    • @Nn91.
      @Nn91. Před měsícem +1

      @@MD.Akib_Al_Azad i mean like one which continued onto ww2, cold war etc etc

  • @magmaboi4359
    @magmaboi4359 Před 2 měsíci +5

    *Pours syrup on Middle-East*
    "Blows Middle-East with mind."
    "My fucking Middle-East."

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Is this a reference to something?

  • @Your_average_Iranian
    @Your_average_Iranian Před 2 měsíci +9

    Great video.
    Please make a video about 1953 coup of Iran.

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Yeah, if that one didn t happen, the middle east would probably be way better

    • @U.K.N
      @U.K.N Před 10 dny

      @@minestar2247not necessarily . Khomieni wanted to establish an islamic republic nontheless . In fact the revolution might have happened even earlier ( although it won’t be as much of a revolution as it is a bunch of reforms over a relatively small timespan ( also they did a referendum after thev revolution in iran won and 98% of the people approved ))

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 10 dny

      @@U.K.N Huh, it would still be better anyways, maybe those reforms, being less extreme than other examples, might show example

  • @zsombortelek8411
    @zsombortelek8411 Před měsícem +4

    That thumbnail is glorious.
    If you're doing nore modern scenarios I wonder if you're going to make a video about a Serbian victory in the Yugoslav Wars.

  • @Monker851
    @Monker851 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Great Video

  • @enderkatze6129
    @enderkatze6129 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Y'know, this offered up a third scenario: the one mentioned in the Intro: iran begins a slow invasion of iraq, leading to international intervention

  • @thevettegetsitwett
    @thevettegetsitwett Před 2 měsíci +4

    The U.S. was highly unlikely to allow either power to “win”. Unless you mean win by keeping their borders but Iran annexing Iraq is highly unlikely. America is in a similar position of the British before the world war wars wanting to simply maintain the current balance of power because we are currently at the top. The world wars were mostly over maintaining the balances of power from the British prospective they did not want Germany or Japan to get to powerful to challenge their global position.

  • @radored7750
    @radored7750 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Great video.

  • @almostanarchybro9129
    @almostanarchybro9129 Před 2 měsíci +21

    In this timeline I doubt armenia would be around at least by our time and the less stable middle east would have the turks be the biggest rivals to the saudis. As their neo ottoman ambitions develop earlyier and with more success.

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +5

      Heh, yeah, they're surrounded and undefended, so you're probably right

    • @kianabbsi
      @kianabbsi Před 2 měsíci

      They are part of the csto though

    • @almostanarchybro9129
      @almostanarchybro9129 Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@kianabbsi russia would be in active decline at the time this would happen and be busy with domestic affairs. And probably supporting other groups in the middle east. Mind you in this timeline with a 30M population azerbaijani state and a proactive turkey that has a defense pact outside of NATO russia even putting in all it's resources can't risk a war. Especially with Turkey. They could give some support but it would be a lost cause. The fact is that Armenia has no allies. They aren't in the west's spehere, Iran is in ruins, the USA is isolationist, China dosen't have enough power projection at this point, possibly the French could get involved in aid but that assumes Armenia holds out for more than a few weeks.

    • @gengarzilla1685
      @gengarzilla1685 Před měsícem

      CSTO membership is worthless when Russia won't act. Armenia is seeing that fact now that Azerbaijan was recently allowed to fuck with them again.

    • @gengarzilla1685
      @gengarzilla1685 Před 13 dny

      Russia can barely be bothered to "protect" Armenia as is. A scenario like this one is game over for them.

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 Před 2 měsíci +34

    That Rick and morty reference is perfect! Love it 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @Ghosty.maria7
    @Ghosty.maria7 Před 2 měsíci +6

    Truly a Dick Cheney moment

  • @anvos658
    @anvos658 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Honestly if the US had to go for the trifecta of Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan I'm not convinced this doesn't lead to the US deciding its time to redraw borders, before creating new governments.

  • @SebiSuper9mil
    @SebiSuper9mil Před 2 měsíci +2

    Yay part 2

  • @sirtgnq6290
    @sirtgnq6290 Před 2 měsíci +12

    idea, what if the shah wasnt overthrown in Iran

    • @U.K.N
      @U.K.N Před 2 měsíci +4

      I’ve divided the story into parts so that you can better understand it :
      1-It almost happened , the day before the proclamation of the islamic state , the shah forbode everybody to get out of his house ( and anybody who did so was gonna be killed by the savak ( the shahist police ))
      2- and almost all of the leaders often the revolution agreed on not telling people to go to the streets , except imam ruhollah khomiemi
      3- he didn’t agree nor disagree , instead he went into his room for some 30 minutes , then came back and told them to tell people to go to the streets , everybody exclaimed , but he told them : “ i am ordered “ ( don’t worry he didn’t ask an 8 ball , it was most likely that imam al mahdi told him in some way or another ) .
      4-Later it turns out that the shah planned on killing the revolutionary leaders that night ( also tens of thousands died that night , so it wasn’t without a cost )

    • @user-oy2zg3bt6n
      @user-oy2zg3bt6n Před 2 měsíci

      a middle east that's a lot safer that's for sure.
      no Islamic Iran = no reason for the US to get into the middle east, no goliath for Israel to stand against (in the 2000s) and no one to really play power games with.
      Saudi is in the US sphere and non Islamic Iran, Turkey and Israel would be generally aliened together to the US as the three none Arab middle east nations.
      in other words the middle east would look a lot like before the Islamic revolution.

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci

      That would suck because that Iran Is a us puppet, and stays that way past the cold war

    • @aAverageFan
      @aAverageFan Před 2 měsíci

      What if Iranian PM Mossadegh wasn't overthrown in a CIA backed coup?

    • @ShubhamMishrabro
      @ShubhamMishrabro Před 2 měsíci +1

      I will guarantee you one thing. Iran would be a regional power economically and military wise. It is because of shah reforms and modernization of defence iran was able to defend against iraq. And iran was under the white revolution. Shah's vision was to make iran a developed country by 90s. Middle East would have been less radicalized and more stable cause you have to remember islamic fundamentalism started in 70s with iran revolution

  • @Yuhyuhmuhmuh
    @Yuhyuhmuhmuh Před měsícem +1

    I like the very grounded videos, even if this one went a little too far into the future

  • @red_chicken_not_redchicken1800
    @red_chicken_not_redchicken1800 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Yess you make it!!!!

  • @perfectlyfine1675
    @perfectlyfine1675 Před 2 měsíci +7

    I don't understand why you seem to think in both these videos thay the Soviet-Iranian relationship was so horrible that the USSR would even contemplate invading Iran, when in reality the USSR was lukewarm occasionally to the regime.
    Also, no, a strengthened Iran wouldn't just be fully conquered by America. A complete conquest of Afghanistan was just not possible, with the Taliban forever present in the north. Iran is deserts, mountains and even rainforests, has a more competent military, would have an even better military had they just won and not grinded down in trenches for eight years and have a far larger population than Afghanistan. And that's not even counting the necessity to also defeat Syria, Iraq and Houthis. How? Just how?

    • @General_Universe
      @General_Universe Před měsícem +2

      This channel usually creates pretty unrealistic scenarios. He usually doesn’t care much about realism but more about views from the western “history buffs”.

    • @TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga
      @TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga Před měsícem

      Also, who tf came for Balkanized Iran?

  • @HKuoksu
    @HKuoksu Před 2 měsíci +4

    I love ur vids

  • @h_h4790
    @h_h4790 Před 2 měsíci +6

    As an Iranian living in khuzestan province; I would never let anyone separating us from our country.

    • @orionclouds3741
      @orionclouds3741 Před měsícem +1

      As a Iranian Lur love you bro and we Iranian people if Arabs, Kurds, Azeri, Fars, Baloch, Gilak, Turkaman, Talish, Lak, Pashtun are always united in hard days agints enemies we showed our unithy many times and we will show it in futur if it necessary again. It is very realistic that we think the enemmis of Iran israel and usa and their poppets in the region have such a nasty plane for my our country, but we Iranian alway are united and never let anyone hurts us and our beutiful peacful country, zende bad bar shoma va Javid va payande Iran azziz. Nouroz tabrik bar shoma Zende bad Iran for ever, Viva Iran ✊💚🤍❤,

  • @user-uu1wh5rp3e
    @user-uu1wh5rp3e Před 2 měsíci +1

    Hey PH are you planning on finishing the every empires series?

  • @eradaalmasi7590
    @eradaalmasi7590 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Thanks for the correct pronunciation of Iran.

  • @E46SedanGaming
    @E46SedanGaming Před 2 měsíci +5

    I love how the Iraqi victory’s thumbnail is nothing too chaotic but this video’s thumbnail is the definition of a shitshow

    • @U.K.N
      @U.K.N Před 2 měsíci

      Yeah this video’s thumbnail looks like a meme

  • @user-bo6ru6rk3d
    @user-bo6ru6rk3d Před 2 měsíci +2

    hey possible history, what platform do you use to draw your maps?

  • @Maxfromohio2155
    @Maxfromohio2155 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Can you make a what if ww1 was re-enacted in the modern world video please

    • @KobeRogers-vw8nx
      @KobeRogers-vw8nx Před 2 měsíci +1

      Agree Also WW2 But reversed
      USA/Germany
      Canada/Italy
      Britain/Japan
      China/Great Britain
      Russia/USA
      Iran/France

    • @Maxfromohio2155
      @Maxfromohio2155 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@KobeRogers-vw8nx he already did a video about if ww2 was re-enacted in the modern day

    • @KobeRogers-vw8nx
      @KobeRogers-vw8nx Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@Maxfromohio2155 No Again But the Roles are Reversed where the US is Germany while China Russia and Iran are the allies

    • @Maxfromohio2155
      @Maxfromohio2155 Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@KobeRogers-vw8nx ok now I understand

    • @KobeRogers-vw8nx
      @KobeRogers-vw8nx Před 2 měsíci

      @@Maxfromohio2155 yea

  • @JaiKarpe-jv2gj
    @JaiKarpe-jv2gj Před měsícem +3

    No Saddam = No gulf war. Which in your what if Iraq won video you predicted would lead to no George W. Bush (Because Bush Sr was even less popular) and no George W. Bush = no invasion of Iraq (or in this case) Iran

  • @SuSTR7
    @SuSTR7 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Invading Iran back then would be very hard for US to pull off because of the country's fortress like geography and population support for the government which was way more back then. Even secular and moderates would fight against america because they supported the Reformist Khatami administration, they wanted better relations with US and even israel. Also there wasn't any major divide between ethnicities, though the government has always kept the baluchistan very poor and that led to the formation of some baluchi independance terrorist groups.
    Overall, US would face a much bigger catastrophe and the region would remain hostile to US forever. But currently, things are the exact opposite. The majority of Iranians hate their government and are just waiting for a spark. If america continues to destory Iran's economy and not let them sell any oils, the Islamic regime will certainly collapse in the next 3-4 years. Unfortunately every global and regional power will interfere for their own interests and that can turn the country into the next Libya or Syria, but if things go relatively smooth and the next government handles recovering from crises well, and focuses on economic developement, considering Iran's population, geography and resources they can become one of the next global economic superpowers.

    • @ironzombie3987
      @ironzombie3987 Před měsícem

      It took the soviets and the British 6 days using a couple tanks, half a dozen boats and 50,000 troops in 1941.
      I very much doubt Iran could survive a full-scale war with the United States

  • @willie4445
    @willie4445 Před 2 měsíci +15

    Video idea: What if the tanzimat reforms were successful?

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Oh, what were the tanzimat reforms?

    • @willie4445
      @willie4445 Před 2 měsíci +6

      @@minestar2247 In simple terms, an attempt to modernize the ottoman empire in the mid 1800s with a list of attempted reforms such as healthcare, education, military, etc.
      The reforms failed due to the failure to modernize technologically in which by then it was sort of too late to catch up to the europeans.

    • @Burh643
      @Burh643 Před 2 měsíci +4

      ​@@minestar2247 Proposed reforms of the ottoman empire

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +6

      @@willie4445 ok, this sounds pretty interesting, I would like to see what would happen if they were successful, or if the reforms in my own country were too

  • @Aiden-wg4pu
    @Aiden-wg4pu Před měsícem +3

    What if Austria joined Germany in 1871?

  • @vainoue9173
    @vainoue9173 Před 2 měsíci +2

    do “What if Yugoslavia never collapsed?” you can talk about their impact on the world and what they would change. for example their arsenal

    • @Fella12366
      @Fella12366 Před měsícem +1

      It wouldn't have changed very much

    • @vainoue9173
      @vainoue9173 Před měsícem +1

      @@Fella12366 how, like wdym

    • @Fella12366
      @Fella12366 Před měsícem

      @@vainoue9173 like it wouldn't have effected global politics very much

    • @vainoue9173
      @vainoue9173 Před měsícem +1

      @@Fella12366 they were influential in the third world especially, and would have likely somewhat altered the landscape of Europe + other civil wars. the thing is it’s not comically exasperated by their existence which make sense but tbh it’s an interesting topic

    • @FodaseNaoLigo
      @FodaseNaoLigo Před 11 dny

      ​@@Fella12366would have major consequentes In russia and nato

  • @aAverageFan
    @aAverageFan Před 2 měsíci +4

    What if India won the 1962 war against China?

  • @IndonesianBallProduction
    @IndonesianBallProduction Před 2 měsíci +5

    Idea: What if Hitler uses the third impact to achieve Lebensraum
    Basically the third impact is something from Evangelion an Anime and yes this is meant to be a joke idea and the third impact is a world ending event and you don't haveto do it just a joke idea

  • @NewDealChief
    @NewDealChief Před 2 měsíci +6

    Great video that contrasts the Iraq video, but I very much doubt the U.S. can conquer Iran-proper due to the geography of the region.

    • @ironzombie3987
      @ironzombie3987 Před 2 měsíci +1

      It took the soviets and the British 6 days using a couple tanks, half a dozen boats and 50,000 troops in 1941.
      I very much doubt Iran could survive a full-scale war with the United States

    • @minestar2247
      @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +5

      Yeah, it would take them an extremely long time to do that, so it would make reconstruction way harder, as they might not even try

    • @Townes888
      @Townes888 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@minestar2247Invading iran is more like invading Vietnam rather than Afghanistan

  • @liladoodle
    @liladoodle Před 2 měsíci +2

    What if the 1926 Miners Strike reached a boiling point and caused Britain to go through their own "Russian Revolution"?
    With Scotland & Wales gaining independence in the chaos, and Northern Ireland reunifies with the rest of the country.

  • @jaredjosephsongheng372
    @jaredjosephsongheng372 Před 27 dny +1

    That thumbnail sure doesn't look like they won 😂

  • @semon009
    @semon009 Před 2 měsíci +3

    What if South Korea won the Korean War?
    and
    What if North Korea won the Korean War?

  • @AgentAction-ni2ji
    @AgentAction-ni2ji Před 2 měsíci

    Cool War Scenario at 09:32

  • @minestar2247
    @minestar2247 Před 2 měsíci +11

    Both these videos are fun and insane at the same time, it's like:
    -what if Iraq won?:similar timeline, or less us involvement(if Iraq can be resonable) leading to less us involvement and a cold war between Iran Iraq and Saudi Arabia
    What if Iran wins the war?:kaboom? Yes ricko, kaboom. 🔥🔥 This is fine 🔥🔥

  • @pep-qew1977
    @pep-qew1977 Před 2 měsíci +2

    When you found out about cool war and have short episode of hiper interest.

  • @qeevythekiwi
    @qeevythekiwi Před 2 měsíci +3

    perfect timing when I looked at likes, it was 911

  • @planetarystargazer
    @planetarystargazer Před 2 měsíci +4

    What If everything went perfect for China 🇨🇳

  • @CatarigMaTt
    @CatarigMaTt Před 2 měsíci +4

    What if Mosaddegh wasn't overthrown?

  • @goldenfiberwheat238
    @goldenfiberwheat238 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Why is there a little dot in Afghanistan

  • @AlexanderGlobus-bf9pr
    @AlexanderGlobus-bf9pr Před měsícem +1

    Some suggestions:
    What if Turkey joined Axis?
    What if USSR was way aggressive after WW2?
    What if USA went to isolation again after WW2

  • @ultrabeargames314
    @ultrabeargames314 Před měsícem +1

    What if Liechtenstein became the HRE after the real HRE fell, and bought Alaska and couped Switzerland and Bavaria to annex it to make it more official. and if they make it to it, they'll buy Alaska. (possibly April 1st?)

  • @PalauBallEdits
    @PalauBallEdits Před 2 měsíci

    Plzzzzzzzz do final empire video part

  • @hishamalaker491
    @hishamalaker491 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Oh dear god, the Thumbnail says it all.

  • @Danube-TV
    @Danube-TV Před 2 měsíci +3

    What if everything went perfect for Iran/Persia? - Day 7

    • @ironzombie3987
      @ironzombie3987 Před měsícem

      The Achaemenid Empire would still exist and thus Iranians would never convert to Islam and remain Zoroastrian

  • @krimux3076
    @krimux3076 Před 2 měsíci +2

    This timeline would definitely lead to more instability in neighboring countries such as pakistam

  • @567secret
    @567secret Před 2 měsíci +2

    What if the US & Britain never overthrew the 1953 democratic Iranian government?

  • @ebanydwayne1357
    @ebanydwayne1357 Před 2 měsíci

    So huh... That seems like an interesting alternative 2000s, never seen this idea before

  • @Ea-pb2tu
    @Ea-pb2tu Před 2 měsíci +1

    This is a bit different but maybe a video on what if the EU federalized today and what it would mean for the future?

  • @FelidaeEnjoyer
    @FelidaeEnjoyer Před 2 měsíci +1

    0:22 for future times you use this map, please fix the white dot just north of kuwait, the one connected to iraq

    • @BlackOutWise
      @BlackOutWise Před 2 měsíci

      Nah you tripping

    • @FelidaeEnjoyer
      @FelidaeEnjoyer Před 2 měsíci

      @@BlackOutWise Nuh uh, you're blind. It's like 1 pixel bro, VERY noticeable
      (joke)

  • @comradebanana129
    @comradebanana129 Před měsícem +2

    4:08 Libya would have sided with Iran as they did OTL.

  • @Maperator
    @Maperator Před 2 měsíci

    what is the piano music used at 7:20?

  • @tutentyp6934
    @tutentyp6934 Před 2 měsíci +11

    I don't think nationbuilding in iran would fail as bad as afghanistan. Afghanistan has every bad charateristic for a successful western styled nation.

    • @FNA27601
      @FNA27601 Před měsícem +5

      Iran is even more diverse than Afghanistan with a ton of separatist movements like the arabs in the Ahwaz, Balochis in balochistan, kurds in Kurdistan and likely the Azeris too it would be a lot worse than afghanistan if it collapses.

    • @tutentyp6934
      @tutentyp6934 Před měsícem

      @@FNA27601 It's not diversity which killed afghan nationbuilding. It's the peoples mindset. Everytime I've met an iranian person they seemed very western and openminded to me, while afghans just... weren't. Iran is one of the oldest states to exist similiar to china with peoples like the azeris and their ancestors being very loyal to the iranian state since thousands of years. Now compare that to tribal afghanistan with always infighting tribes, see the difference?

    • @tutentyp6934
      @tutentyp6934 Před měsícem +3

      ​​@@FNA27601Diversity didn't kill afghan nationbuilding, mindset did. Iranians I met were way more open minded and "western" than afghans. Not only that, Iran is a state which exists for over two thousand years in some shape or form with the azeris and their ancestors, the most important and largest minority, being very loyal to the iranian state to the point that the surpreme leader is azeri himself. Compare that to tribal afghanistan with frequent infighting and a decentralised state throughout history. Look at the chinese warlord period and the subsequent reunion, that's how an iranian collapse would look like WITHOUT western help of nationbuilding.

    • @TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga
      @TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga Před měsícem

      And the US military needs to be competent.

  • @TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga
    @TheRepublicOfDixionconderoga Před měsícem +1

    The most unrealistic part is the US military being competent enough to invade Iran.

  • @AGamerthatregretsalot
    @AGamerthatregretsalot Před 2 měsíci +3

    What if Kelly moneymaker didn't fund either side and stayed neutral instead.

    • @U.K.N
      @U.K.N Před 2 měsíci +1

      Wrong channel mate

  • @Hotsilog_Gaming
    @Hotsilog_Gaming Před měsícem +1

    Please do a "What if Everything went perfect for The Philippines?" video

  • @RightfulArchon186
    @RightfulArchon186 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Screw it, what if the Chinese warlord era never happened? (Yuan Shikai gets 360 noscoped) Or what if everything went perfect for Arabia or China?

  • @TheRealBillBob
    @TheRealBillBob Před měsícem +1

    Hard to believe that the US could just invade Iran so quickly. As if Iran didn't have any defense or mountains to over come. 🙄🙄

  • @Ali-bu6lo
    @Ali-bu6lo Před 2 měsíci +1

    Now please consider making a "What if 1979 revolution didn't happen" video.

  • @RiggsBF
    @RiggsBF Před 2 měsíci +2

    What if South Africa still had nukes?

  • @aarohalme1020
    @aarohalme1020 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Iran could have a chance of actually "winning" the conflict, maintaining control over at least it's own territories.
    Iran has better geography, a far higher population and so on than Iraq so it could become a second Vietnam.

  • @arcticseal5642
    @arcticseal5642 Před 2 měsíci

    What if the hundred days reform succeeded? How would this affect ww1 and other events such as the 21 demands, etc?

  • @PaoloCavestro-ey9bb
    @PaoloCavestro-ey9bb Před měsícem +1

    What if Iran and Iraq had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon, and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?

  • @Leilakoolivand-jf2jy
    @Leilakoolivand-jf2jy Před 2 měsíci

    Hi i am from iran and when the iraq and iran war happend my mom was a little kid and she and her family was in a building for 8 years !

  • @theoutlander1411
    @theoutlander1411 Před měsícem +1

    Here's one thing you may not have heard about, Millennium Challenge 2002. The United States government conducted wargames in regards to invading a fictious Iran and the wargames ended in Decisive U.S. defeat with casualities reaching 50k iirc on the first day of invasion. Despite the desire to invade Iran, it would have been very difficult to convince the American public to accept casualities in the 10's of thousands to secure a foothold in Iran. Your standard Conservatives and Democrat politicians aside, Liberals and Independents were skeptical of U.S. motivations in our timeline as well further complicating things. I doubt an invasion of Iran would occur but it is possible multiple actions would be taken around Iran moreso than in our timeline out of fear of it.

    • @ironzombie3987
      @ironzombie3987 Před měsícem

      It took the soviets and the British 6 days using a couple tanks, half a dozen boats and 50,000 troops in 1941.
      I very much doubt Iran could survive a full-scale war with the United States

    • @faarisjaber
      @faarisjaber Před měsícem

      @@ironzombie3987 that was a much different iran modern iran is stronger and much more militiristic and afganistan weant so well right?

    • @faarisjaber
      @faarisjaber Před měsícem

      @@ironzombie3987 Long live the islamic republic of iran

    • @ironzombie3987
      @ironzombie3987 Před měsícem

      @@faarisjaber They were decades behind the Soviets and British, and today they are decades behind the US.

  • @ahmetegealtunay9978
    @ahmetegealtunay9978 Před měsícem

    you should make a video about turkey

  • @Teag_Brohman15
    @Teag_Brohman15 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I would really like to see "What if Apartheid Never Happened"!

  • @lolitzdefaltboy5063
    @lolitzdefaltboy5063 Před měsícem

    Is an encirclement possible in mountainous terrain?

  • @KobeRogers-vw8nx
    @KobeRogers-vw8nx Před 2 měsíci +3

    What if WW2 Was Redone in the Modern Day But reversed
    The Cast
    USA/Germany
    Canada/Italy
    Britain/Japan
    Japan/Hungary
    South Korea/Romania
    Isreal/Iraq
    Brazil/Soviet Union
    Greenland/Ethiopia
    Iceland/Greece
    China/Great Britain
    Russia/USA
    Iran/France
    European Union/China
    Central America/Yugoslavia
    Venezuela/Poland
    Columbia/Finland

    • @U.K.N
      @U.K.N Před 2 měsíci

      I see you considered the roles very well … except for the UK being japan and the EU being china , because the UK can’t invade the EU ( but i suppose there aren’t any other candidates)

    • @KobeRogers-vw8nx
      @KobeRogers-vw8nx Před 2 měsíci

      @@U.K.N oh ok so who will consider having Japan role if you had to recast it?
      Also Ukraine would be Mexico
      Idk if Mexico or Cuba should be Czechsolvika probably Cuba
      Puerto Rico/Austria
      Ireland/Mongolia
      Pakistan/Brazil
      India/Argentina
      Morocco/Iran
      Also the Uk just makes sense to me

  • @shreys7551
    @shreys7551 Před měsícem +2

    What if Austria joined the Franco-Prussian War?

  • @user-cd4bx6uq1y
    @user-cd4bx6uq1y Před 2 měsíci

    7.4k 53 minutes. Genius

  • @user-rf7tx4nw8g
    @user-rf7tx4nw8g Před 2 měsíci +3

    Can you please do what if Britain alliance to Napoleon

    • @lynxfresh5214
      @lynxfresh5214 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Even for alt-history standards that's grossly out there but the brief reaction of the others would be like this;
      Russia: WTF!?!
      Spain: HOW!?!
      Austria: NO!
      Portugal: Traitor!
      Netherlands: Thieves!
      Prussia: Stop...
      Ottamans: Ugh!
      Sweden: Tsk!
      Denmark: What?
      Dutchy of Warsaw: Nice!
      USA: Seriously?
      Colonies: Help...
      Notice how only one gives a straight up positive response?

    • @user-rf7tx4nw8g
      @user-rf7tx4nw8g Před měsícem +1

      @@lynxfresh5214
      So something crazier
      What if Britain and Napoleon's France united into a super country to try to rule the world

  • @uruguaylusitano5797
    @uruguaylusitano5797 Před měsícem +2

    What if Everything was perfect for Uruguay? 🇺🇾

  • @Jarzatontheman
    @Jarzatontheman Před 2 měsíci

    When I say this no one has watched this at normal speed the whole way out