What If Caesar Wasn't Assassinated?
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Caesar did not die. He escaped to argentina and lived until the late 80s.
And he drove the green falcon
He was Italian after all
Señor Cesar
Ceaser, the character that you kill early in the movie to start the plot
Literally Shakespeare.
Well, technically, it's the mid series shake up
Not in Assissins Creed origins.
@@minestar2247 The Ceasar arch came first then the company made the prequels.
Ned stark ass
Great video on if Caesar wasn't assassinated, now do a video on if Caesar was assassinated.
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Re: Caesar supposedly having a plan to conquer Parthia, it's always worth remembering: Plutarch's Parallel Lives was a history-themed self-help book. Every biography was paired up with one Greek and one Roman and the two were compared, and Caesar is paired up with Alexander so we maybe shouldn't be entirely surprised that in a story which is being compared to Alexander we suddenly find that Caesar wants to conquer Persia.
In fairness, Caesar's story in the book is one of the most "neutral", but it is the one that's about the uncle/father of the first Emperor, and the current Emperor's great-great-great-grandfather-in-law, so like all of Plutarch's writings you need to take it with a metric ton of salt for anything more than "second century romans probably thought this sounded right".
Wait this is the 1st time im hearing about the Roman to Greek aspiring part
Cam you list/link the other pairings (if humanity knows them) ?
@@primesonic4459 There's 25 pairs and we have all of them at least in part except for one pair. A lot of the pairs include one person who is "less famous", in the sense that you won't have heard of them unless you're really into greek and roman history beyond the stuff that usually gets covered (and that's probably why the pairing doesn't come up in casual reference). For example, Pompey is paired up with Dion, a tyrant who ruled Syracuse. There's a full list of pairs on Wikipedia but notable pairs are Theseus and Romulus, Phyrrus and Marius, and Lysander and Sulla.
@@fruitshuit, I definitely don't think Caesar wanted to conquer Parthia (because that would be ridiculous), but smacking them around a bit, taking some territory in northern Mesopotamia, and reclaiming the legionary standards that were lost at Carrhae would make some golden PR for him when he got back to Rome.
@@occam7382 oh yeah, definitely, I agree! that’s pretty much Suetonius’ assessment of the situation and seems much more plausible.
@@fruitshuit, of course, that's assuming he makes it to Parthia within his proposed timeframe. Given the absolute nightmare that Octavius and Agrippa faced during the Illyrian Campaign following Caesar's assassination, I wouldn't be surprised if Caesar spent at least one of his two years pacifying Illyria before he even made a move on Dacia.
What if Caesar was a salad?
(Please do a what if everything went perfect for Norway scenario)
Western Sweden*
@@Rex-mr8bw Norway is much cooler than Sweden, sorry
I don’t see the connection between Caesar being a salad, and how that would make Norway perfect.
@@HornedPandaWasTaken Danmark >>> Norway >>> Sverige
@Rex-mr8bw keep your Ikeas out of the viking lands bruh
I don't know about anyone else, but the whole thing about Octavius' "Great Test" just seems cool as hell. A Mediterranean war for the ages.
I found a comment that Cesar was thinking to move the capital to Egypt, say Alexandria. Shifting the focus towards the India Ocean and the development of Red Sea Ports and the exploration of Africa. No invasion of Britain or Germania.
Interesting.
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Caesar said I want that 💰
Would have made the Republic richer Britain always was a financial drain to the empire despite some mines present
He also wanted to deflate the Senate
Suggestion: What if claudius son Brittanicus wasnt assasianted and instead nero died?
They never make a series on brittanicus. He was nobody. I dont even know what are you talking about.
@NickZ-zu8jf brittanicus was nero's half brother. He tried to rebel against nero as soon as claudius died but he lost and nero killed him
Nero had no long term effects on Rome, Infact the supposes inadequacies of the emperor are greatly exaggerated.
Other than Rome burning (not Nero's fault) it is hard to find physical evidence of anything changing under his reign.
Britannicus was way too young, way too inexperienced when he was killed. A blank slate.
Without knowing what kind of man he would have developed into, that question is way too open-ended for a proper prediction.
@@NickZ-zu8jf Racine wrote a French play about Britannicus, a talented young man cut down in his prime. He would have been a better emperor. In the play, Britannicus does not see Nero coming for him.
What if everything went perfectly for Austria after Francis I declared himself Emperor?
The problem with that is that it's way too predictable : *Danube*
Do what if everything went perfectly for modern Greece
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@@fonsie_games what if they weren't scammed by an international bank
"WE DON'T HVAE CRIPPLING DEBT LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
- Megali, alt timeline
I feel like an "what if everything went perfectly for the Roman Empire" video HAS to start with Caesar surviving, conquering Dacia and then maybe obtaining a medium-level conquest of Persia. Not all of it, but I feel like Rome carving out mesopotamia early on would be both doable and MASSIVELY benefitial (and yes count me as one of the ones who think Hadrian not keeping it was a giant missed opportunity; give up Britain if you need to, it pales in comparison) as it would be a very rich province that would break the parthian trading monopoly (assuming the Romans built a fleet on the persian gulf), colossally weakening any threat from the persian plateau in the future, and further buffer the rich eastern provinces from any persian armies (who could now be much easier stopped in the first place if the romans properly anchor their defensives along the passes through the zagros mountains).
From there, have Caesar (after returning to Rome and squashing any resurgent opposition) start the conquest of germania, die after attaining some great victory together with Antony, and have Octavian/Augustus have an easy time both in solidifying his control over Rome and finishing up the conquest up to the Elbe river and (thanks to Dacia) the Carpathian mountains as the Empire's permanent borders, live as long as he did IRL and settle the East militarily after Cleopatra and Caesarion "conveniently" fall out of a window/choke on a fish bone. Oh, and have one of his grandsons survive so that the state keeps being well-led for at least a generation after the first princeps dies.
No empire lasts forever, but with the northern borders more secure (with the Rhine and Danube now acting as secondary lines if any force breaches the Elbe/Carpathian lines), the persians weakened and contained on the other side of the Zagros (and poorer without the eastern trade monopoly), and without the massive civil wars that Rome faced IRL after Caesar's death (there'd still be some off course, but not on the scale of 43-30 BC), the Empire is set pretty good to have an even better 1st and 2nd centuries AD than it had in our timeline.
For the Roman Empire, probably, but for Rome as a whole I think it starts with Sulla. Specifically, Sulla not setting the precedent for military rule in Rome, which without, Rome would last much longer without its militaristic power struggles.
I think it would affect the religious landscape too, with Manichaeism and Zoroastrianism more present in Rome, and a very different christianity in territorial terms. Maybe the gnostics could be more perilous in this timeline. And maybe Christianity expands up to Persia, if the Empire still becomes Christian. No England too, in this timeline, unless something crazy still happens.
@@irmaosmatos4026Man, the sect of Mithrid was widespread. The stupid Roman soldiers thought that Mithrid in Persia was a god.
@@freewyvern707 well, the precedent for military rule was started with Marius, not sulla, when he reformed the army from an army of part-time, land owning plebeians to professional full-time soldiers who had more allegiance to their general than anyone else. What is hard to stomach is that this was a necessary change in order to create the Roman empire, as part time citizen armies weren't capable of establishing and defending rome's massive borders
What's to say that after dealing with Caesarion and Sextus, aware of the growing elite opposition, Dictator Octavian won't still look to the brutal wisdom of Sulla?
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Crazy! Last night I was looking up videos about this exact subject because of a game I’m playing. You’re always on point with what I need ❤️
What game made you think of it?
Imperator: Rome?
I was playing Mount and Blade: Bannerlord, mod with Rome
@@thelemonofgaming6303 that was my first thought too, but I wasn't sure
Mad props for pronouncing Cicero right.
What a great birthday present, keep up the great work!
Damn, it's my birthday too? Just what I was thinking
Great video, I love how balanced it is that it basically means an earlier Roman Empire but it doesn't have everything devolving into a harsh dictatorship like some people say. Although maybe people say that more if the plot is halted at the last second like you mentioned it first.
Caesar wasn't actually that bad of a leader. He made numerous reforms that benefitted the people of Rome, he was incredibly magnanimous towards his rivals (although that was more for practical reasons than idealistic ones), and his time as Dictator was the most stable time in the Roman Republic since the 1st Servile War up until the founding of the Empire under Augustus. What a lot of people didn't like about Caesar was that he basically tried to fashion himself as a king in all but name, and made it pretty obvious. That was something Augustus was much smarter in handling.
Bro this is what i needed im at work dude I appreciate it I love your videos keep up the great work
What if Hungary won the 1956 revolution. (militarily because it is even more unlikely and that scenario could get even more weird)
No because that’s not possible literally
Well pp made several unrealistic scenarios for fun@@AdvancedGamer-
@@AdvancedGamer- I know, that's the point. Also Althistory isn't realistic anyway so that doesn't matter in my opinion.
@@ATeTortenelemPuskad I know but that just would never happen unlike other things that actually could
@@butterbutter891 ok but then the video shouldn’t be seen as like an actual not joking Alt history though
>incredibly dictatorial (probably incestuous) dynasty in heavily entrenched power, to the point competing politicians only compete to get favors from them, not even to usurp them.
>rulers are old as hell when they die
>still have no heirs
>civil wars every time a ruler dies
>massive waxing and waning of imperial power from ruler to ruler
This is CK3 in real life, I love it
I love the fact that I recognise a picture from my Latin test yesterday about Cicero at multiple moments in the video like 9:50.
Good job bro 👍👍
Suggestion for the future video: What if the Roman Empire collapsed because of the Crisis of the Third Century?
thank you for this video 🙏
youre the new alt-history goat
He would probably become emperor but mostly likely died from complications of his epilepsy because without any modern medication epilepsy can be fatal.His sizures would only increase in strength until he passed in his sleep and think a read somewhere that was exactly what was starting to happen.
This history is very possible. (Possible History certified.)
not really octavia would not of been heir but ceasars son with cleopatra
When the history is conceivable
Very interesting analysis
Ah yes
The perfect world
yes! more ancient alt-hist please!!!!
Great video
Really good depiction of Parthia, it's not often you'll see people display it's tributaries.
Nice video
This was Great 👍
Ok now THIS is epic
Hoi, Possible History. Ik kijk jouw video’s erg lang en ik vind ze erg leuk en interessant. Ik zit nu in 4vwo en ik wil graag geschiedenis studeren. Bij welke universiteit/hbo studeer jij geschiedenis of studeer je wat anders? En wat doe je bij de universiteit? Ik weet namelijk nog niet waar ik geschiedenis zou willen studeren en wat het inhoud. Waarschijnlijk lees je dit niet, maar ik zou het leuk vinden als hierop kan reageren
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Nah this video bout to be fire🗿
That was a great video, PH. I absolutely want to seek a follow-up to this scenario following the "Our-Timeline Augustus" path.
Very good
Okay, we’re getting serious
Ps: i love your vids theyre really good
Nope. That's a perfect image! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
what would have happened had Tsar Alexander III of russia lived longer?
Had he lived longer
could he prevent the Russo-Japanese War?
Then there would have been anothrr “ alexander the great”. 😊😊😊
I tend to find a lot of what-ifs pretty masturbatory, especially given how unpredictable history can be; like no-one would have guessed Caesar's Great Nephew would have become the First Roman Emperor, likewise no-one could have predicted an Arabic Merchant would form what would become the second largest Religion in the world. You even often find times where genuinely capable leaders fuck-up like Harald Godwinson who otherwise up to losing to William the Conqueror succeeded in nearly endeavour he took up in life. So perhaps Caesar could have succeeded in wide scale campaigns, or perhaps a random arrow would take his life, who knows; in some alternative timeline we'd be asking what would have happened if Caesar was assassinated, we'd never be able to predict it's outcome.
nature of the what-of fun exercises. At the end of the day, its just a bit of fun paired with some historical exploration, and it shouldn't be taken too seriously.
More than anything, its simply a tool for story telling. Just look at how Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkreig utilises their what-if. Its absolutely "masturbatory" how good the Reichspakt went and how poorly the Entente went (given the syndies), however it creates great gameplay and story telling potential.
Great video as always! Could you please make a video to the question what would happen, if Hitlers assassination by Stauffenberg succeeded?
Yes i enjoyed it ❤
Oh thats an interesting topic
Ay please do a perfect italy scenario!
Had to come watch this on the Ides of March
What if Operation Valkyrie had succeeded?
What if Japan never joined WW2?
What if the Romanovs won the Russian Civil War?
What if the U.S conquered all of Mexico?
What if Japan won the battle of Midway?
What if Colonialism never happened?
3 Of these are Outright Impossible but would be cool to think about
Romanovs wouldn't win. They had little to no support. They'd have to defeat both sides of the cw.
Me: (looks at thumbnail)
Also me: “nah I think you were playing it safe”
What if the Romans invented the printing press (and had access to the supply chain of it)
1. It would be make Rome much more linguistically unified, reducing the various Roman dialects.
2. It would be much more culturally unified as well.
3. It would make the empire deeply integrated in an economic and military sense.
4. The empire would be more enlightened due to lack of dialects and how information can be more widespread with ease.
5. The empire might not have crumbled like in our timeline and might also live into the modern day.
broo what if the frankish empire invented the cell phone
@@thefederalbureauofinvestig6467You might think of it as a pipe dream, but it actually isn't such an absurd proposal. At this time, China was alredy experimenting with printing prototypes. It's not unlikely that with increased trade between the two, some of these ideas, and maybe some of the actual devices, would have made their way to Rome, where they would probably find greater sucess in, given that the romans lacked the cultural reverence towards caligraphy that was present in China, meaning they probably would have been more willing to work with the idea.
And just when I thought I was out of the thinking-about-Rome phase, they pull me back in
Love alternative history! I've always wanted to make a Kori style strategy game based on alternative history of America's if Europeans didn't arrive in 16th history.
Can you do "what if everything went perfectly for italy?" Next?
Suggestion: what if there was something we could do
(Napoleon goes back to france from st helena and wins the 8th coalition)
How did he lose most of his army? His army when he was fighting Russia was 700,000 soldiers, and when he withdrew, it was 100,000.
rip caesar
Could you do a video on what if everything went perfect for Carthage?
Idea for another Rome video, what if Ceasar died with Labienus at the battle of Munda?
I mean, then all of the chaos between 44 BCE and 30 BCE just gets move up a year, basically.
"I told him, `Julie, don't go!'"
It would be better if the music was a little quieter. Other than that great video!
Possible history I have an interesting idea for a possible series you could do basically it would be like this what if insert nation restored the Byzantine Empire like for example what if the Bulgarian Restored Byzantium or if Trebizond was able to restore Byzantium
What songs did you use?
Week 1 of asking for what if everything went perfectly for Mexico
Do a If everything went perfect for sweden
Im happy to get here early
Great video. Rome expanding that much would have caused an even bigger collapse
hopium: during octavians rule before he would get the ceasar treatment, a breakthrough in research is suddenly reached leading to the discovery of the steam engine
octavian takes credit, making him almost ceasar levels popular weakening his opposition considerably.
the industrial revolution kicks of.
romes enemies couldnt even pray to god because christianity ist around yet...
Invading Dacia was really hard for Trajan , at the height of Roman power. During Burebista , the Dacian "kingdom" was at it's historixal peak. It would not have been so easy.
Imagine love this
Oxtavian would have to make the triumvirate permeate by making the office of Imperator head of state but working with the two counsels and all three offices elective.
Suggestion: what if sigismund III united Sweden and Poland
Please do a what if the ancient kingdom of Israel survived to modern day
Do a what if everything went perfect for Portugal
I have a video idea and i have absolutely no idea if
it would even be possible for this to happen, but
the idea is: "What if Austria had remained a small
german state/ What if Austria hadn't become an
empire."
When are you gonna do your every late Modern Empire Video?
Happy Idus of March! Coming soon to your calendar... 🤣
Please, do "What if No One won WW1" scenario video.
For an alt history video idea
What if spanish conquest of China was a success
this boutta be a great video also suggestion: what if russia won the russian civil war and allied with the west and cold war never happend/was between russia and usa competing for the strongest democracy
Didn’t Russia win the Russian civil war???
Empire vid plz
Could you do a video on what if Austria Hungary survived ww1
I feel like the question of the initial assassination should be explored, and determined, more thoroughly before you can really explore the rest. If the plot never happens, what then happens with Brutus and the other cospirators? Do they live normal lives from then on, how do Brutus and Octavian interact and does this possibly influence Octavian's relations with Caesar's biological child in Egypt?
If the plot happens but fails the dacian and partian campaigns would surely be delayed, maybe not by much but maybe for enough time that the dacians have sorted their own stuff out in relation to the assassineted king and are therefore a tougher challenge, therefore delaying the parthian campaign further. At that point perhaps Caesar dies in Parthia, being older and the Parthians being a very different enemy from the forests of Gaul and the hills of the Balkans.
W vid
I dont think you can out-do Invicta, but i am intrigued.
Suggestion: What if Italy unified in the 1500s?
I would be interested in a exenshon to this video , sea how the time line goes
I think he would study the defeat of Crassus and invent a formation of legionaries supported by archers and slingers to destry Parthian horse-archers. Also once he notice the capabilities of heavy cataphracts he would implement massivly this unit in roman army. I think Rome would have no more trouble fighting nomad nation.
YES THIS IS GOOD!!!!!!!!!!
cool
i got an idea. how about an 1st april fools day video? for example how peter griffin could beat the usa with his country Petoria, or how germany could have won with steiners counter attack
I think there was a time when Byzantium and the Sassanids could have been "friends" during Justinian's time. If I remember correctly the future king of the Sassanids was living in the court of Constantinople when Justinian was there and the Romans offended him and his family something fierce and that probably lead to war later on.
So an interesting timeline would be: What if Justinian and Khosrow became friends during his stay in Constantinople?
It's not far fetched and it would have changed history a lot since the Sassanid/Byzantine war was a big reason Islam could conquer so much of their lands. Also it would surely help Justinian in his western Rome conquests as well
Make what if everything went perfect for Iran/Persia
I don't want a realistic depiction of Caesar not being assassinated, I want to revel in the perfection of what could have been.
Would Arminius have been captured and adopted? Would the Illyrian rebellion happen? Could Germania have been pacified under Augustus?
Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these: "it might have been"--John Greenleaf Whittier (1807 to 1892)
Well I imagine we would’ve seen him join the Stardust Crusaders on their trip to Egypt
My bro Agrippa even here wins the day
For your consideration: this idea may be too niche to cover in an actual video, maybe a YT short instead, but here it goes.
What if European minorities had their own states (like Sorbs, Sami, Cossacks, Donauschwaben, and/or Rromani)
Maybe the idea of those cultures getting their own nations becomes more popular after America become more influential in a post-war peace conference, pushing ideas of popular sovereignty? Idk that's just my first inclination to how it might happen, but I'm sure you could come up with something better!
I know Agrippa was a great general but I think in this case it would totaly depent on how unite the opposition would work together.
Caesar is like the father in a anime that gets killed or leaves right after the main character is born
Only thing I have to contest is that the populatiom of Germaina Magna was around 5 million at most. That was the same or a million(ish) smaller than Gaul during the Galic Wars.
What if everything went perfect for Turkey/The Ottomans?
Then you will not post yoyr message in english.
@NickZ-zu8jf actually unless he's german he probably would since if the ottomans conquer Vienna and take over Germany, there is no ottoman-british conflict namely World War one.
Please do if sweden won the great northern war