NVIDIA’s Lost It: RTX 4080 16GB GPU Review & Benchmarks
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The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 16GB video card provides a firm visual definition of the word "disappointing," mostly because its performance does climb from the RTX 3080 in meaningful ways, but the price climbs in lock-step. This leaves the 4080 simply stagnating versus the RTX 3080 while pulling the ladder up further on GPU prices. Older RX 6950 XT and RTX 3080 GPUs at lower prices further sap the value of the RTX 4080 16GB, not to mention the weird misstep of launch-unlaunching the RTX 4080 12GB (a different model).
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - NVIDIA's Stagnation
02:45 - 4080 vs. 4090 Specs
04:36 - The Short Version
05:06 - RTX 4080 FE Thermal Testing & Fan Speed
05:47 - RTX 4090 vs. RTX 4080 Temperatures
06:15 - Frequency Behavior on RTX 4080 16GB (MHz)
06:32 - Noise Levels
07:00 - FFXIV 4K Game Benchmarks (RTX 4080 vs. 3080 vs. 4080)
08:25 - Embarrassingly Bad Value vs. RTX 3080
09:20 - FFXIV 1440p Game Benchmarks
09:41 - Total Warhammer 3 4K & 1440p Benchmarks (4080 16GB vs. 6950 XT)
10:57 - NVIDIA Needs to be Kicked in the Ass
12:38 - 1080p Benchmarks in Total Warhammer 3 (4080 vs. 2080 Ti, 3080)
13:36 - Tomb Raider 4K & 1440p GPU Benchmarks
14:40 - Rainbow Six Siege RTX 4080 Benchmarks (4K, 1440p)
16:24 - Horizon Zero Dawn 4K Benchmarks on RTX 4080 vs. 4090, 3090 Ti
16:59 - Ray Tracing Benchmark Complexity
17:55 - Control Ray Tracing Benchmarks (AMD vs. NVIDIA)
19:09 - Cyberpunk 2077 GPU Benchmarks with Ray Tracing (2022)
20:05 - Tomb Raider RT Shadows Benchmarks
20:25 - F1 2022 RTX Benchmarks
20:45 - Power Consumption on RTX 4080
21:26 - Conclusion of NVIDIA RTX 4080's Worth
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I don't believe you guys are TRUE tech journalists....!! If you were you would STOP reviewing these BS products in the first place. This would truly send a clear message to companies like NGREEDIA that it's time they either come down to EARTH or just build a flying saucer and move to another galaxy where beings can afford their products!!
the 2600 is a good 6 core cpu back in the day
Thats all nice but: AMD does NOT have DLSS. They do not have CUDA, They do not have Optix, They do not have: a proper Hardware Ray Tracing Solution, They do not have: Hardware for Real Time Motion Blur Calculation, they do not have a proper Video ENcoder, ... [...,...,...,...,...] I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on...
AMD DOES NOT HAVE. And THAT is the reason they will NEVER be at the top spot. They failed in the last 30 years and will in the next 30.
your CPU comparison is not great tho, they sell a product which costs 50$ in production for 700$, so there is way more headroom.
awwww, i really thought you wanted to talk to me in what's app
Blizzard ~2018: Do you guys not have phones?
NVIDIA ~2021-: Do you guys not have money?
We don't have enough money billions and profit percentage : Nvidia 2022-2023
@@willwunsche6940 just had their best years ever in profits but oh no lets go higher every year.
Silicon Valley(on social media) ~The last god knows how many years: Do you guys not care about the enviroment?
WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVE NO MONIES?!
Government ~2022: We'll just print more and have the plebs pat us on the back for it.
Hopefully this is the generation where Jensen gets humbled just a little and comes back to reality with the pricing. AMD better not mess this up. Give us outstanding value, claim your market share like you did against Intel with Ryzen, and lets see if Jensen can bake up some humble pie in his kitchen.
Need another gtx 280 scenario where they HAVE to drop the price to be competitive
unfortunately a lot of people who buys nvidia will always stick to it because "amd drivers bad"
@@operatorpsyduck2035 that and I fear amd is still decently behind in ray tracing unfortunately
@@operatorpsyduck2035 I was one of those people, but multiple reviewers I trust have now talked about how they haven't had any AMD driver issues in at least a generation, so if the value is there, I'm willing to let them replace my 1070 Ti.
@@operatorpsyduck2035 have you heard of CUDA exclusivity
Thanks for including benchmarks of the 1070 and other older GPUs! It really helped me make a decision on what GPU upgrade is best for me. I decided to go with a 6700XT since the price/performance ratio fits my budget best. I paid $350 for my 1070 back in the day and I paid $350 for the 6700XT! I consider that a good upgrade.
lol I went from a 1070 TI to a 6700 XT
Yep, similar shoes. I went for the 6950xt since I also do video editing. Was thinking of waiting for 7000 series but I'd have to pay at minimum £400 more. Im happy with the performance I have for both gaming and editing for another couple of years.
Went from 1060 to 3060ti both were around 400€ when new
Smart mofo lol, I couln't buy a GPU last year so I just bought the Alienware M15 R4 with 3070 in it anyways. Mofos are out there scalping laptops too btw guys.
@@thabo5799 I thought about going for the $700 6900XT sale on Asus's website since I do work with blender and Autodesk Inventor, but that's $300 more than what I budgeted for. So I waited it out until the 6700XT went on sale.
Yep... Positive feelings towards both the GTX 1080 and 1080 ti. Such great cards. Still kicking ass.
yeah no.. if you play oldschool games, but they would get slaughtered by my 4k screen.
@@MikeAndersson it holds up pretty well. can run things on 1440p on nice graphicws with decent fps.
@@MikeAndersson Yeah, most people that play competitive games play on 1080p so they can get 300+ fps and low latency. So I would say that the 1080ti is still perfectly fine for 90% of gamers, and I have a 3080ti so I’m not coping
@@god8348 And who fooled you with that lie.. most who plays comp? You do know your talking about the tip of the 10-15%.. Most plays on toasters or have work and spend money on the riggs.. very few plays competitive 10% of the top 12 hours a day.
Thats words from someone whos very young or maybe study XD
@@MikeAndersson That was a sad read, but I think considering most of the top games with high players are live service, competitive games, your opinion on the matter is irrelevant. I guess nobody plays CSGO, Fortnite, Valorant, Rainbow six siege, rocket league, League of legends, Overwatch, WOW, Cod, Dota, despite having by far the largest active player counts at any concurrent time.
You are so right, how could I not possibly realize this, nobody plays the most popular genre of games
My favourite thing about GN is that they are all for value proposition, they don't fall into the hype train with new products. If the value isn't there, it doesn't matter how good it performs they will say you better buy the old product instead even if the "cool" thing to do would be buying the new shiny thing. Thanks Steve and the entire team for the focus and reason you bring into PC consumers.
If you look at the data Steam collects on their survey you see that most people game on mid to low end stuff. Seve is very aware of that. 👍
Steve and the GN team mostly always speaks for the consumer, which I love. He also speaks reason to the consumers. If you don't need to upgrade, don't. If it makes you happy to upgrade, do it. That's what he usually say.
The costs for these is just absolutely outrageous. If AMD gives me a more compelling offer, you can bet your ass I’m jumping the Nvidia ship.
@@HydroKyl240COG Happy 5700XT user for 2.5 years.. 1440p 60fps High settings on Cyberpunk.. Raytracing is in like 2% of games atm so its literally not worth buying a card for RT only
Its cause most people don't need or want to spend more than $450-500 max on a GPU. I remember when proper high end cards were 500 back a few years ago like the 1080. Now the mid high level stuff is like 500 starting. I'm fortunate enough to be in a position where I can spend $600 on a card but I still think it's not good.
Thank you for focusing on the pricing so much, unlike many other reviews I watched. Doesn't matter how much performance we get, this much of a price increase is nuts.
In 2012 a GTX 580 was 499.99. Let that sing loudly in your head.
@@wf6951 not just that, but that was back then "80" meant you were getting the full uncut biggest die NVIDIA made with no cores disabled...
Fighting the good fight. Nexus can always be trusted for solid reviews looking out for the consumer. Well done, team!
Comparing FE launch prices (and rounding) the 3080 was $700 and the 4080 is $1200. That's 71.4% price increase which is a decent bit more than the 53% performance increase Steve mentioned at 8:14. So, it's actually going backwards generationally in performance per $.
Does the cost of manufacturing and developing the card run parallel to performance increase gen on gen?
They've seen people will pay stupid prices to play video games and are taking full advantage of it. I personally find it hilarious that people feel they need 4090 levels of performance to play games...
@@AudioPhile yeah, there s no point. Running something like a 2080ti on a 2k resolution is more than enough to play anything on ultra (or close to it) settings with good framerates and awesome visuals.
@@livolas not only that but the difference between ultra and medium settings is often pretty marginal and barely noticeable.
The 4080 should be 850 MAX. 80 series cards used to be only 500-600. Every year they get more greedy. 1300 for a regular 3080?? That’s absurd! I’m sick of this shit smh.
@@roosterbooster6238
Sounds like cope.
I’m never surprised at Steve and the GN team’s honesty and integrity. People don’t realise that CZcamsrs aren’t “just” CZcamsrs. They’re helping to keep these corporations honest. They’re advocates for us as consumers. I really appreciate the GN team.
In before Linus is totally okay with the pricing on this …
Sorry , most CZcamsrs are paid by companies .
Yeah, consumer journalism.
Unless you're linus...
@@knghtbrd yep. they did mention some things abt price-performance, but i felt that their piece tried to paint a picture that 4080 is not as bad as we think. Which is bullshit. Why would u get a 4080 when u could get a 7900xtx for 200 dollar cheaper MSRP. 🤨
They did this completely on purpose. They overproduced the 30 series, and you would THINK excess supply would mean lower prices, but it turns out that "lower" is a relative term, so they just jacked up 40 series pricing as an extension of the 30 series rather than a replacement (and you could tell this by the fact that 30 series was still listed in their product stack for the 40 series reveal images; you didn't see the 20 series stack in the 30 series reveal).
AMD could really slam Nvidia if they want to. So we'll see just how much they want to.
Yeah this is the elephant in the room. It seems entirely obvious they just want consumers to purchase their older 30 series instead of the new 40
@@sorrenlantz9272 The hack they don't want you to know about: You can buy used. There are so many used 30 series card available now, it really makes a lot of sense to get one that way. Honestly at this point I'd rather get one cheap of a miner, than reward Nvidia for their greed.
@@Niosus Agreed. That's exactly what I did in June, prices weren't quite as low then, but it was a better time for me in terms of available time to game, so no regrets.
AMD wants to make money, too, and for whatever reason the market won't support AMD cards at NVIDIA prices.
Also 30 series is still selling good and nvidia is getting those old chips dirt cheap from Samsung. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are actively manufacturering more 30 series because profits are so good.
As a new viewer I really liked the decreasing stamina bar to let me know when to pause the screen if I hadn't finished comparing the results. I also appreciated the highlighting of the gpu you were talking about so we could all keep up with what card you were comparing. Nice review and nice editing.
Thanks for being truthful and giving us all the real and raw information about this card, where other channels don’t seem to care that it’s insanely overpriced. Definitely taking your reviews and information to heart. Keep up the good work!
Never forget that $699 to $1,199 price increase AND that they tried tricking people with the mislabeled 4070
"mislabeled" 😝
You know Nvidia could fix this all easy, just drop the prices of everything by $300-400 and they'd be really pretty tempting deals.
Well they did find out that we customers are suckers and buy everything, no matter the price...
I still think this is the 4070 tbh, it's almost half the cuda cores of the 4090, WTF?!
@@memitim171 it is a pretty shit compared to the 4090. Either get s 4090 or AMD. The rest of nvidia line up appears to be booty cheeks
50% more performance for a 70% higher price.
More than double the price in Europe actually.
Exciting...
@Defective Degenerate Dont worry, these kinda features will come soon.
I second what you said about CPUs. A mid range CPU is significantly more powerful than a top end CPU 2 years ago. Progress.
Gee, your graphs are just beautiful. Dense with data but uncluttered. Graph animation is so simple but so helpful for data interpretation. I love the slide progress bars too. Much appreciated GN
$699 MSRP of the 3080 vs $1200 4080 is pretty savage, lol.
It’s absurd, Nvidia absolutely milking pc gamers dry
it was never $699 in EU $900 for the cheapest model
@@TTVFails yuropoor moment
That's the plan, it seems. Make the insane 3000-series prices seem better in comparison.
Ampere showed them what people are willing to pay for their cards. This gen wont be any different.
The 80-series of cards STARTING at £1.2K is brutal in itself, enough said
Rtx 2080ti vibes
I wish I could buy it for 1200$, it's 1500-1900€ here, way too much when the cheapest model of 4090 is 1999€
@@xvnbm 4080 strix cost more than 4090 tuf here
I found two offers for the 4080: from KFA2 for 2k € and MSI for 2.7k €
4090 starts at 2.3k €
3090 and 3090ti still starting at MSRP with 1.2k € and 1.5k € respectively
meanwhile the RX 6900 XT starts at 750 € the 6950 XT at 880 €. Very tempting, but I'll wait for RDNA3
Nvidia can do one.
This is great, would also love if you compared the thermals against previous gen too, since some of us are also looking for improved thermals, on top of performance, power consumption and price.
Would love to see a 1080ti added to these charts, been holding onto mine for years and never quite sure where it stacks up. Thanks for all your hard work on these videos! :)
rtx 3060 ti, somewhere there.
It's between a 3060 and 3060 Ti
@@Jeremy-se1kp 4060: yep! 1080ti it's me! :D
...
Everyone: don't worry, we will tear you apart 4060, so this time you won't reincarnate again :D
4060: :((
I just recently paid 599 for a 6900xt and I'm more then happy even playing in 4K. Nvidia has gone nuts with prices.
On a 3070 at the moment and tempted by a 6900xt. What did you upgrade from?
@@magicaces13 this is a new build. I'm a console player with a series x and PS5. So I'm new to PC gaming. Bought a 5800x3d and a 6900xt.
I'm running a LG C1 OLED 120hz so I had to have something that does 4K
Yeah, you did good.
There's a dichotomy between so-called "experts" when they do reviews and actual real-world usage. You don't actually want to crank up the Settings to Ultra/Max. There's a point of diminishing returns, where some settings require a disproportionate amount of processing but bring about a smaller increase in fidelity.
For those reasons, I told people to skip DLSS v2 and Raytracing. Go for FSR v2 (supports any game) and set the Settings smartly. In such a case, the AMD RX 6800 would be great. It can handle 4K at 60+ fps... and it won't look that much worse than say the RTX 3090Ti. Well, that is if you could get it at MSRP at all.
Just like how I told people to skip the RTX 2080 for the GTX 1080Ti, skip the Vega64 for the GTX 1080, skip the FuryX instead for the GTX 970, skip the GTX 780Ti for the R9 290, and skip the GTX 680 for HD7750. Same thing applies this generation. Sparing that we don't have any production/distribution issues. Just wait for the right card for you, and yes it maybe from the previous generation, and yes it maybe Used. If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid.
I bought a 6950xt for $750 about a month ago, happy I did, price went up to $1k+ about a week later!
@@edwinwelch1946 You did an excellent choice. Best products of the "Old generation" for a decent price. And it will give you power for years.
The main point of the RTX 4080 is to make the RTX 4090 look better by comparison.
The problem is that the 4080 isn't even doing that with that insane pricing. The 4090 isn't going under 2000€ here in Germany. The 4080 is like around 1400-1700€. No one with a clear mind should buy these cards for gaming. AMD is offering better options.
Classic upsell!
@@Kley96 it’s new. People buy new things
@@Kley96 thats why im hoping that 7900xtx is at least on the level of the 4080. Since im running a 2070s atm, even 30 series raytracing (basically 7000 rdna3) is an upgrade
it's like popcorn in the cinema, there is almost no difference in price between medium and large, but the large is 50% more
This is a nice review! Thanks for sharing these details with us. Does anyone know anything about the releasing date of the AIB partners?
Great Video! Tons of good info. I ended up with a rig with a 4080 and am beyond happy. Hopefully it will last a few years playing AAA games at max.
This I why I love Steve and GN.
You always give honest, no-bullshit, detailed reviews that look out for us, the consumers.
Nvidia's performance increase is like your boss giving you a pay raise of 30%, but you have to work 30% more.
No you have to work 50% more
Although I would rather things be different, I like having the option. If you want more performance, you can pay for it. I hate saying this, but in comparison to the 4080, the 4090 doesn't look that bad. It's a stupid amount of money, but $400 (33% more) for something that is 35-45% better is fine by me. Either buy one or don't for your use case and budget. Things would change if the 4080 was $699/$799.
And yet often times that's how the real world works. Hmm. Weird.
@@riley900 thanks for watching. for watching.
@@M340B58 thanks for watching. for watching.
Every day I count my lucky stars that I got a 3080 for MSRP at launch.
Love my new 4080 build from micro center (g471) compared to the 3080.Revisiting cyberpunk but now all settings max, all RT ultra, 4k on my tv at 120hz. Friggin beautiful
Unlikeable characters in my OP. Just a misrable bunch. The story is so so, gunplay is basic and the driving is horrific. Still a very oberhyped game based on looks in my OP. I put in about 25 hours.
@@gold3neye889 Why would you feel the need to try and downplay his enjoyment? You must be miserable.
The 7900 XTX looking more enticing every day.
My wallet looking smaller and smaller every day.
If, as expected, it slots in between the 4080 and 4090 at 200 whole dollars less, then AMD wins this generation, for sure.
@@Gabu_ Looking at AMD's numbers juxtaposed with 4080 and 4090 review results, yeah, it's 10-15% faster than 4080, 10% slower than 4090, but much cheaper than both, and most importantly, it's 70% faster than my current GPU. I am definitely getting it next month. I said long ago that RTX 40 would be DOA to me, looks like I was right.
It really isn't. It's still a 1k$ card, that would sell for 1.2-1.3 in reality.
@@dat_21 This just in, local man learns about money.
If people are disappointed with this, imagine how the 4080 12gb would have been received.
Ive never spent over $400 on a GPU and I don't plan to. The way this is going there wont be a 40 series card under $400.
@@mushieslushie you might as well just get a console at that point
@@ASTRALEGION Might as well stick a leaf blower up my ass too right? Good one brosef.
@@ASTRALEGION congrats on the dumbest comment I’ve seen in this video’s section. 400$ GPU can easily outpace consoles.
@@thannydevitos2332 I think his comment was a bit tongue in cheek.
I recently installed a 4080FE in my H1V2 case! I'm happy with it as it's the most performance per Sq Inch I can stuff into that case! Price was not my deciding factor. I was able to get it at Best Buy with the coupon code so that helped some..
Love that you guys have my old card (now in my wifes gaming PC) Msi rx 580 at the bottom of the list BUT still listed; that old gal just won't die and its been OC'd since the day it came home
I'm no longer hoping AMD is going to bring Nvidia's pricing down. I'm soon buying an AMD card for cheaper
If only people realised this at the launch of the HD 5870 12 years ago... AH well, better late than never I suppose.
Same bro. Gonna get a higher end last gen AMD now. Sick it with Nvidias bullshit.
@@summushieremiasclarkson4700 or the people that bought the 1050ti over 470...
@@summushieremiasclarkson4700 Bro i realized it back then and got HD 6950 and HD 7970, but 390X and Vega just suck :D
I find it quite disingenuous to hope for AMD to force Nvidia to lower prices, which means they offer better value, so that then you can go and still buy Nvidia.
Time and time again EVGA showing us they got out at the right time. GN also, yet again, delivering the info and details for gamers and consumers and not being scared to speak out against companies.
thanks for watching. for watching.
The 4080 are between $1800 and up to over $2000 here in Norway. I miss the days when a high mid-range (60 -70Ti) GPU was around $400-$800.
4k series on some vendor sites in the US are well above 2000 USD. :/ You aren't the only one who misses pricing from 7 years ago.
Don't cry kids. Get an older card or a used card. Every card on every single gaming rig I've ever built (or put a card into) has been used and has never been the newest card available and I've still had a lot of fun on with each set up.
Serious question, since I'm trying to learn more about PC gaming, what is considered high mid-range gaming? I've personally disliked playing games with fancy graphic options, too much eye candy for my palette. Would something like 720p at 60 fps (with generally low quality graphic settings) be considered very low-range gaming?
@@Ruben_M. Mid to high Mid is generally between the 60 series to 70Ti on Nvidias site. Dont know about 720p gaming, but a 1060 card should do 1080p gaming at medium and high settings at a decent framerate. If you dont like fancy graphics you can just turn settings to low.
@@Ruben_M. bro do yourself a huge favor at leave 720p altogether. For real! It doesn't matter what kind of games u like. 720 looks really bad now even w retro games. Get at least a 1060 but my #1 recommendation for a budget is the 1070 or 1660ti
I like how you gave some advice to us / consumers at the end of the video, not everyone does that and really acknowledge viewers and help them make some sort of decision. Great professional content as always Gamers Nexus :)
I know it's been said a thousand thousand times now, but damn,
I'm starting to really feel why EVGA left NVIDIA
@@PutsOnSneakers what the F man
Nah for them to leave Nvidia they would've had to employed by them. EVGA straight up DUMPED Nvidia
lol so cringe all these people acting as if EVGA was some kind of family member or something, clowns.
@@budgetking2591 hahaha i have the same sentiment, so fucking cringe everytime i see that! OHHH POOR EVGA DIDNT WANT TO CHARGE PEOPLEMONEY FOR GPUS SO THEY QUIT THE GPU BUSSINES.
@@zexedearth89 yeah it's just a heatsink for me lol
The 4090 is going for $2200+ 13% sales tax in Ontario Canada right now. Just under $2500. Nvidia went off the deep end this gen
Just get a 3080Ti ftw or 3090 strix for a 1000$ like I did. prices already up so guessing those cards will be 1200$ tomorrow ahah
and? that's a good price if you can get it.. I won close to 2K USD last night on Monday night football.. Learn to not fucking suck....
I got a 6800XT used for $550 (I’m in BC.) screw the new GPU market
@@Slenderman63323 would getting a 3070 off eBay be a good idea, or where'd you get your GPU?
$2200 CAD is equal to $1656 USD. Sales tax they can't control. 4090 retails for $1599 USD MSRP.
I'm not shilling for NVIDIA, surely you can realize that not every country has currency that's 1:1 with the USD.
You making the analogy of the needle staying where it is when you move the gauge has helped me picture the value of the 40 series a lot more. I was originally considering a 3080 or a 4080 because I look at the price of the 3090 and I didn’t make a lot of sense to me because a 3080 has more than enough vram for what I need so why would I spend the money on a 3090 when I can get a 4080 for a similar price point. I want my gpu for gaming but also as content creation. One of my firends told me davinchi resolve is a great editor. In the end, I think I’ll just stick to a 3080 or maybe even a 3080 Ti depending on my budget.
And yes I know, me saying that a 3080 having more than enough vram for what I need compared to a 3090 and 4080 doesn’t make a lot of sense
I miss the days when you could expect low end at $150, mid range at $300, high end at $500, and ultra high end at $700.
Now I have to cover my eyes before the price of new cards is revealed.
Almost everything under $500 is previous gen/used market. No reason to build cards there when we have 10million mining cards flooding the used market.
The problem is, no one trule made high end cards back and "high end cards" had normal performance, because normal performance was enough for games.
There were exceptions E.g. AMD tried making a few monster cards back in the day, and those cost up to $1500 way back then (now add inflation to that). Nvidia made one or two of these too. This died out becuase it was overkill, they cost a fortune and the powerconsumption/efficiency was ludicrous (kinda like the practicality of a Bugatti is ludicrous).
Then both AMD went back to the old undistorted lineup. But Nvidia kept making ludicrous cards (though slightly dailed back...to seem more sensible).
Soon, AMD's high end cards were wrongly being called "mid-range cards"
To get back to how things were, the ludicrous cards have to be rwmoved from the lineup. The 4080 and 4090 needs to be not manufactured.
The 4070 should be renamed the 4080 and made the flagship. And then they need to stop indreasing die sizes or moving closed to cutting edge nodes...they need to go back to using the current older cheaper nodes, like they used to (cutting edge nodes are expensive).
And they need to simplify design and cooling again, to something cheap looking like it used to be.
And cheap VRAM.
...then you will get your wish and things will be as they were again.
did u forget inflation brought wages, cost of living and overall prices up
The 1-1 performance upgrade is actually worse of you already own a card cause you're basically paying for it again at the exact same price.
this is how I feels about the RTX 3050, I have a 1660 Ti, and the 3050 have the exact same rasterizarion performance for about 10 to 20 dollars more (around $300) in the current market, way more than what I paid in 2019 for the 1660 Ti ($289)
Thank you!!!! Everyone forgets that for years you got increased performance for a given tier without a price increase. (There was some creep due to real inflation, not gouging calculated inflation, but generally stayed the same). I remember when a top tier GPU was $500, several generations in a row. And last year's models actually went on sale when new parts came out, or even just before they came out.
thanks for watching. for watching.
honestly at this point, next time i buy a gpu, i might just go amd/intel regardless of the actual specs just because fuck nvidia.
Back in the days when a new GPU release actually meant there would be a decrease in price of the previous gen. Now a new GPU releases at a higher price and you just sit on your old GPU thinking "I can wait until next year." They sell less GPU's overall, but at double the price...does it make up for the lower sales numbers?
With inflation calculated the last time Nvidia had a flagship gpu for $500 in todays money was 2003.
this exactly. I'll pay 500-550 for the 2nd tier gpu, so 4070, but it has to be better fps per dollar than the previous gen GPUs. and for the past two years at least that has not happened, and so I still have my old GPU. I'm fine running high settings instead of ultra.
It looks like the RX 6900XT & 6950XT still have some very impressive performance to them. I think I'm still going to stick to my main goal of getting one of those over the RX 7900XTX. I'll wait on that and see how well it's doing once it's been out for a few months. I've even looked at the RX 6800XT as an alternative but there's still versions of that going for the same price as some 6900XT's. Getting a 6900/6950XT will finally give me a reason to invest in a 4K monitor.
As far as cpu's go I was originally going for a 5800X3D but they kept selling out before I could buy one. So I just said F'it and bought a 5900X for the same price. It's not as fast in games but now I have more compute and processing ability for future tasks I might want to give a try. I wouldn't mind giving some 3D printing a try in the future. :)
No stick it out for the RX 7000 series! They announced recently (I think especially at time of your post) that they were going to release the best of their new cards for the same damn price as previous 6900 XT tier
Don’t cheat yourself out of performance by moving too quick! If it’s the same or a hundred extra (doubt they’ll do any sales for the old cards that will be a decent saving) wait, save, and go for the bigger one!
@@Norinia Seeing as all of the better priced 6950XT's are all sold out currently it's looking like I'm going to have to wait anyway. All that is left are the units being sold by price gouging third markets and I'm not giving them anything. I still need to put in a better power supply before I can even run any big cards. As much as I want a new graphics card a psu and Xmas are more important right now. :)
I just picked up an RX 6400 for 1/10th the price of this monster, and am looking forward to playing most of the games I like at 1080p 60fps, whilst drawing 1/7th the power in a tiny and almost-silent PC, and spending the money I'm saving (in initial outlay and on power bills) on booze and hookers... or something.
But how many extra frames can hookers give you?😏
Why not just buy a old xbox if you just want 1080 60fps then ?.
nobody cares about power consumption
@@const3llations_370 - If you lived in the UK you would understand - we have the highest energy charges in the entire world. Mine has more than doubled in 3 years, and it's likely to go up another 40% next year.
@@E.L.C. - Because I have a large library of PC games and because I also want a PC for tasks other than games.
My take on this: we paid scalper prices for the last generation and Nvidia figured they could do the same and priced accordingly. Here in the UK, virtually the entire 4090 stock is on ebay for 3 grand a pop. Those actually in stock are being price gouged by retailers. AMDs 7900xtx will be the "value" card despite being similarly overpriced. This is the future of PC gaming.
Let's hope AMD fixes this. Nvidia has had it's reign for too long and has completely lost touch with reality.
Will you all from across the pond STOP bringing up your inflated pricing that's caused by a numerous of economic issues?! You all are almost in a recession if not already. So of course you're going to see inflated cost on food, electronics, energy, etc.
@@spankbuda5760 bruh it's just import taxes.
Here in italy it is 22%, so any card overpriced in the US, well just add 22% and that's the minimum we are going to pay
@@spankbuda5760 there are no economic issues. it's all greed. "economic issues" is what they want you to think so they can get away with it.
Inflation is global and is irrelevant to Nvidia's pricing. MSRP for gfx cards has always been inline with US pricing, just in £s rather than $s, so yes we pay more but not massively so. This launch on paper the same, but retailers are bumping the asking price like they did with the 3000 cards, which didn't happen with the 2000 series or the 1000 series launches, although scalpers have all the stock anyway and is going for between 2 and 3k. Nvidia's pricing this time around is a direct result of the prices we collectively paid for the scalped 3000 series stock. "Supply and demand" was the much touted excuse for scalper behaviour, but what they actually did was create a shortage and artificially inflate prices. They did the same thing with consoles, one estimate had around 30% of PS5s sold via retail outlets as never having been switched on after several months. They were sat in scalpers garages waiting to be sold on ebay.
The Nvidia and AMDs pricing now reflects this new normal.
Now that these have been on the shelf for awhile we are starting to see many open box deals show up on Amazon, and ebay for 950-1050. Bit better value down under 1k, but 800-900$ would have been great.
20:57 that 4090 power draw is possessed XD
Only Nvidia can make us miss the days of the $800 GPU lol. Most people hated how the price went up from 500 to 800, but now... we are all dreaming about those magical 800 dollar times. So well done Nvidia! Maybe a $1500 RTX5080 will make the $1200 4080 look great?
What are you talking about? Nvidia have $399 3060 Ti and their 3080 Ti for around $800 to buy.
@@spankbuda5760 Oh wow, generation old cards at MSRP, how enticing for the consumer.
@@spankbuda5760 Don't be obtuse. He was talking about top end enthusiast (non-titan level) cards. And if you didn't know that then go buy a clue.
The 3080ti didn't just launch, its almost 1.5 years old, and where is it available new from a major retailer for that price? (and no linking to some crap 3rd party seller with 2 reviews)
@@MoKTiger0o The 3000 series cards was launched 1.5 - 2 years ago but due to the circumstances at that time and the limited availability a lot of people wasn't able to get their hands on one until around 6 months ago. And yes, the MSI Ventus 3080 Ti on Best Buy website was being sold for $739.99 that you can view the image on tech4gamers nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-750 website. Hell, even the 3080 Ti FE was reduced to $899 on Best Buy. Why do you think that most 3080 Ti's are sold out everywhere?
The only thing a 5080 at this price will make look great is a $700 PS6.
Nvidia: It’s never our problem that you don’t have money to buy our overpriced products 😂
Not overpriced if people pay for it. And people are paying for it (myself definitely not included). Econ 001.
Its not Nividias problem that you don't have enough money. They dont owe you a thing, just like you dont owe them your business.
@@SSoul0 what a weird logic as a consumer. Can only assume you are on a payroll. Hopefully you will get priced out of whatever hobby you have…
Ultimately and hopefully it will be nvidias problem. A company is nothing without customers. There’s only so far you can push people.
Nvidia: Have you tried not being poor?
I do have the money, but I will not spend it on products that are overpriced.
I'm curious how the price / performance would translate to cards from 10-15 years ago (adjusted for inflation). Back then most top of the line cards still ran below $1000,-. Now we've had the xx90 series as a new top platform, but who's to say they aren't actually comparable to the xx80 series of a few generations back but just slapped on a new higher model number and increased the price?
The 6950 looks real nice south of $800 and 7800/7900 looks even more appealing.
I do love how as GamersNexus has become more influential, Steve hasn't lost his integrity - in fact, while his staff may be incorporating more clickbait and Steve is raising his voice more often, it is usually just, fair and resolved within the first fifteen minutes. GamersNexus is the _premier_ example of consumer-advocating reviewer conduct which clowns on bad PR when there are attempts to manipulate the message. Stay strong Steve #NoFilter
Agreed. Steve has the highest integrity in the hardware review game. Match that with well organized systems to evaluate new tech, a solid team, geeky sense of humor and to top it off... The hair of a drummer in a metal band 🤣
I remember, just a few years ago at the Roast of Linus, everyone was joking about how Steve was so boring.
Adding some passion and writing that helps makes talking points has helped get over that.
Fuckin Linus, his goddamn smug face in EVERY SINGLE video cap pisses me off so much
@@seantaft3853 I was one of a few who suggested in a couple of videos to add timer bars into graphs so people who become easily bored and distracted staring at them can see the duration of a graph on the screen, GN team took it _in part_ - I also requested a _separate_ timer bar representing total time of all charts within a given section, but I suppose they dropped that because it was too much work, which is reasonable since I like the way GN has them right now.
@@seantaft3853 I thought he came off really well in that roast.
Yeah, During the lifespan of the 3080, Nvidia saw that people are prepared to pay absurdly high prices for their cards. I hope it was mostly crypto miners, since they don't care about the price of GPU's, and now that that market has dissapeared that Nvidia will sit on these like bricks. This insane pricing policy must be opposed.
I reckon that most 3080s went to crypto miners, but another element to consider is that a lot of people who did splurge out to get a 3080 or 3090 absolutely will not buy a 40-series card, for they decided when they purchased a 3080 (ti) or 3090 that they were going to keep that card for 3-4 years or more precisely because it cost them an arm and a leg.
Its already happening. Used 3080's are 1/4 the price MSRP so nobody in their right minds are buying 3080's new let alone 4080's.
They cant possibly overprice their next gen cards because if they do, AMD will undercut them and completely dominate the market while Nvidia sits holding an even bigger bag
And it is, with AMD starting at 899. I truly hope these cards are good.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 why wouldn't you keep a card for ~4 years regardless of price nowadays? Games simply don't have that high a performance requirement increase.
@@michelvanbriemen3459 This. Had my 1080 not been dying, I'd still be using it. I plan to keep the 3080 for at least 5 years.
Just got my XFX 6900XT Swft 319 in today, $650. Beast of a card, coming from a 1080. I'm set.
Men, I loved the video, your honesty and passion you put into it, great insights. PLEASE KEEP DOING THESE VIDEOS!
With how alot of reviewers are talking about the 40 series its almost like we are in some kind of "the emporer's new clothes" scenario and im just thankful that atleast gamers nexus have their senses to call it for what it is. kudos to you guys!
Hardware Unboxed's review was lukewarm at best. Paul's Hardware didn't like it either...
Most reviews I have seen slam the pricing
What are you talking about? Pretty much every tech youtuber is roasting the pricing of the 4080.
@@andersjjensen he looked distinctly unenthusiastic in his review…
@@roosterbooster6238 Yeah, that's pretty much what "lukewarm at best" means.
Pretty insane that AMDs previous generation card is actually competitive with Nvidia's new ones as far as price:performance goes.
I think nvidia target marker doesnt care about price / performance
The sad thing is that this is only true because NVidia raised the prices into the stratosphere. I love what AMD has done with the CPU market and was glad to put my money behind it. Now I hope they will give me a reason to buy a 7000-series GPU, because last gen I couldn't justify it.
@@smokeysify Not exactly, most Nvidia cards in the Steam surveys are 1060, 1660, 2060, etc. They're trying to purely target the high-end market now, but the broader Nvidia customer base is looking for the best product they can get at a particular price point
@@demrasnawla Which is why I think AMD stands to gain. People with 1060s would do well to look at AMD's offerings when they decide to upgrade.
try a 1080ti...or even a 980ti compared to the new cards...
It would restore some badly needed faith in humanity if consumers continue to say no to this shit.
What is sad is that I'm more interested in the features that the 40-series has and the 30-series doesn't (AV1 encoding). I really hope AMD does a good job with their upcoming cards ; it is a sad landscape in the GPU space at the moment...
After being with Nvidia since the Riva TNT days, I needed to replace a dying 1060 and took a chance on a Radeon this year, and I am not regretting it. AMD appears to have solved the driver issues they were known for, the card plays all my games with no issues; and after today any thoughts I had about going back to NVIDIA are now gone. As soon as the new Radeon cards are available I'm getting one, NVIDIA needs a Ryzen style correction, and I hope AMD and INTEL are up to the task.
How is the software? I'm so used to nvidia's control panel all these years.
During the worst shortage of cards, my wifes pc died and in the end we decided to get her a laptop since there was a point where laptops with configs as strong as desktops were bit cheaper than said desktops. So my wife decided to get on the "mobility" train. I was sceptical when switching from Intel/Nvidia to full AMD, expecting issues with drivers I had all those years back and why I switched to Nvidia. Guess what? The 5900HX cpu is as good as expected, and the RX6800M works like a charm. One game (a 8yo oldie) was casuing issues, and that was indeed a gpu driver thing. But other than that? Smooth with no issues.
My desktop is slowly oustaying it's welcome, and if the coming gpus from AMD are better in terms of value ? That will be my pick as well. And yeah, both AMD and Intel need to ste up their game so that Nvidia starts loosing income in the personal pcs category of products. Only way we can see those asurd prices drop to reasonable levels.
@@igano111 a bit confusing and game-y like but works well.
Thank you. I still using my 1060 and hope it survives till 7800 is out. How is AMD quality and performance in recording/streaming games? I'm really concern about that more than its gaming performance because I know it will be more than enough for me.
"Driver issues" exist only in the eyes of NVidia's paid shills.
70-series die size
80-series branding
90-series pricing.
Hard pass. nVidia is the undisputed king at gouging its customers.
Also 70 series bus.
But their customers love being gouged because it makes them "better".
Can't wait to get mine!
People don't have to buy them it's not gouging if there are obviously other choices.
@@robertp457 MSRP still matters significantly. This is why the Ti cards in the 30-series were such a huge issue. Scalping or no scalping.
Just bought a 3080Ti. It's so insane, I should be set for years to come.
Yeee 3080 gang
Got a new rig myself a few months ago with a 3080 ti and i5 12500k. This was coming from a 2060 S paired with a 9700k. Very, very happy with my new set up :D
honestly man I just ignore the 40 series cards I think their a waste
@@dartheveloper5449 I agree. Just got a 4080, buddy has 3080 similar settup. I get like 30-40fps more than him on Forza. Is it worth it to me? heck yeah, I got the best of the best in the market rn. Would i do it again? Hell nah. 3080 is good enough. lol
@@Aussie_Tom Unless you want raytracing, you should really go AMD... it's better at pretty much everything at this point
@Sec FromTheC2MK 6 you both played the same game, there both so good you wouldn't know which card you were playing unless you had a fps meter.
Not sure what product Steve is using for his hair but it is looking LUSCIOUS, sir! Great vid as per usual as well 👍
Good video. It's nice to see someone discussing the ridiculous price of the 4080 16 gig. Too many people were too preoccupied with the 4080 12 gig being cancelled.
GN needs to do a 2022 update of AMDs gpu drivers. I have noticed a huge improvement, dispelling some myths about driver support may help increase competition.
The myths about bad drivers from ATi were made from nvidia during the 2007-8 vista crisis, when nvidia’s enthusiast forum outreach program was still a thing, and nvidia had been found to be responsible for like 45% or something crazy like that of all crashes on windows vista. What’s crazy is how AMD fit the shoes of the myths as they ran out of money to spend on driver development, and QA
drivers are still behind nvidia's in terms of features, i constantly hear about cool settings that amd either doesnt have or are very limited. AA injection is dx9 only, for example.
@@ZeludeRose What do you do with AA Injection in 2022?
@@tranquil14738 Yup and all you still hear is amd drivers bad people just keep regurgitating it. I have not had 1 problem with a ati/amd driver. Can't say the same for nvidia so yeah.
@@tranquil14738 Yup and all you still here is amd drivers bad people just keep regurgitating it. I have not had 1 problem with a ati/amd driver. Can't say the same for nvidia so yeah.
I bought my first gaming pc in 2021. My only frame of reference for pricing is post-mining. Everyone says the 4080 is a bad deal and I understand the argument when you compare MSRPs. But Ive never seen a gpu sold at MSRP before. I havent seen a 4090 for under $2k since launch. Some retailers are still selling the 3090 for $1600. The 3080ti is $900-1600 depending on variant and retailer.
I waited when I saw the 3090ti on sale for $900 because it was before the 40series launch and I thought they might drop further. Now Im worried if I dont grab a $1300 4080 at microcenter today, prices may worsen again.
Am I just an idiot? Gaming/digital art are hobbies and AMD doesnt do well with the latter, so I havent considered their new lineup.
PS5 + ipad pro is better value for those two things lol
don't worry too much about it. high end current series graphics cards are designed for enthusiasts in mind. This isn't to say it won't affect you or I, but that the quality of your gaming experience, which is the main reason why you bought the gaming pc, isn't going to be impacted for another 5 or so years when the market design games around a different spec range.
also a lot of the performances are relative under an extreme resource load. we're talking cyberpunk ultramax all raytracing enabled no fps cap, as well as graphic renders intentionally designed to be a massive load over an extended period. This rarely applies to in practice performance, games are still running fine with a 1080ti, and the industry isn't going to design their content around a small percentage of hardware access.
there will be a new set of graphics cards in a few years, and in that time you'll have a better understanding of your pc to make these kinds of calls.
Listen, the 4080 is a shit deal, for a very good card. It'll be awhile before the 4080 drops, but let ya nuts drag. send it
there is chip glut atm prices will come down
@@foolpersona_ anyone even considering a 4xxx card doesn't want a playstation
With gaming developers seemingly stuck making remakes, the crypto market crashed, and month 6/7 of a recession. I have no idea who these cards are for.
People with a lot of disposable income or people who do nothing but game and work. Idk about anyone else but my grocery prices have gone up $200 a month extra for the same amount I was getting a year ago. I can’t afford to even save let alone spend money on this stuff at that price
3d work? lol i need 24gb
Companies using gpus for workflows
Lol
Edit: Oh, almost forgot FSR 2.1 just dropped lol
Entire world is trying to become influencers. All those people needs pcs to edit / retouch etc.
This. This is a an actual, proper, good and honest review. Thanks Steve, please keep doing what you do.
Back to you, Steve!
thanks for watching. for watching.
That 4080 should have launched at $799. Now THAT would have been something.
Hardware Unboxed near the end of their review did cost/frame analysis at msrp and at $900 and it actually made sense at $900. I agree somewhere in the $800-900 range would have made this review's tone completely different.
Even at $1000 it would've been expensive but acceptable. At $1200 it's worse value than the 4090 which is just a joke.
Ppl that just baught a 3080ti a year ago would feel robbed
I bought a 3080 for $800. I might have considered 4080 for $800-900.
@@djorgen yea that go for about 1000 second hand in Australia
$300 a card to manufacture and they want $1400 wtf is this world
Make absolutely no mistake: this is a 4070 or 4070 Ti.
The one they "unlaunched" is a 4060 Ti.
unfortunately this truth just like other stuff will fate and forgotten over time.
They are waiting to slot in that 4080Ti and upsell everyone who buys it. Not this time NVIDIA! Not me at least. Fool me once. But not twice. :)
That 4070 TI was actually the 12 gig model.
@@Dracossaint Na. That's a 4070 at best.
@@Dracossaint That is exactly what Nvidia wants you to think.
In my currency it is about a 115% price increase compared to the 3080. In fact it costs 15% more than my entire PC did in 2019 and that came with a 9700K and RTX 2070 Strix case,cooler, PSU,RAM, two M.2 SSDs and one HDD. To put in perspective it is about $1650 here so more than the 4090 is in the US. 4090 is technically $2200 here but real price seem to be closer to $3000 so I’m expecting the 4080 to be around $2000 after a few cards sold at MSRP.
I buildt a full 5600x 16gb ram 3080 rig at 30series launce for 1600,-
Had almost the exact same rig spec wise for the same price. No way I’m upgrading until the 4090 is $800 or less.
The 4090 is $3900 NZD at it's cheapest. With a direct currency conversion (I know this isn't really the most accurate representation of things, as there is shipping etc to take into account) but that's $2400 USD at current exchange rate. I feel your pain, greatly.
So much truth, thanks GN!
When the majority (90+%) of gamers play on 1080 with most who have 75hz monitors, not many need anything more than a 1660 right now. I just managed a 6800xt for $400 brand new, but I was still on a 970 myself.
Love the videos, thanks!
Are you me? I just replaced a 970 with a 6750xt. :)
It should be a bit of a performance boost.
We plays on a 75hz monitor? 😂
@@lordmoos3 real close!
@@samysdefer we play*
And yes, the majority of gamers can't afford more than enough to manage above 60fps at 1080 due to the cost of GPUs and other hardware.
Not sure where it's funny, unless you've some data to otherwise refute my statement, you just look foolish ;)
Sounds like a bottleneck on the Users. Why stop innovating because people are slow to better displays? Thats one the of the best upgrades you can get.
I'm still using my Star Wars Titan XP I bought in 2017. Works great. Playing Total War Warhammer 3 with no problems at 1440P.
Two years ago on launch the 3080 was listed as 720 Euro at my retailer. These 4080's will end up around 1600 Euro. NVIDIA can shove it.
In my country 4080 minimal price is 1766$ or 1693 euro vat 25% included.
I paid around 3k for my first high end gaming PC, long time ago. These cards are cheap compared to cars or traveling. It's good to have a wide spectrum to pick from, so wealthy people or professionals can push technology forward by buying the more expensive GPUs.
@@sevdev9844 The problem is that high end cards like this used to cost 500-600$ just a few generations ago. These are not 3090s, which are the current Titans of cards.
Even taking inflation into account, that price point doesn't really work. It's not a matter of "having a wide spectrum to pick from". It's a matter of EVERY SINGLE STEP of that spectrum suddenly being 40% more expensive.
And that's not due to natural circumstances, but because the companies saw how much the prices rose up in the last few years during a massive speculative bubble due to shortage of components caused by the pandemic and the crypto mining fad and they thought "well, the prices doubled or tripled and people are STILL buying cards, maybe we can charge more too". That's a massive rise in prices due to an indirect consequence of speculation processes. It's far from a natural occurence in a free market.
@@Shendue 🤷♂️ Inflation: Shadowstats. Also, it isn't distributed equal over everything. Crypto took that money supply and ate it up, using the GPUs as tools.
Then, your whole reasoning is based on the names of these cards and what the top model is and such. Seems to be about status or to be entitled to get access to progress. It's all just in your head. These are the prices, take it or leave it.
@@sevdev9844 You know Nvidia's lost it when you're comparing their pricing to literal cars
The 6900/6950XT cards never looked more compelling than right after watching the 4090/4080 reviews.
Not only that, there's also the new cards coming soon. I hope AMD slaps the crap out of Nvidia's greedy little hands.
Just bought a XFX 6900XT for $650.. so yeah
I have a Sapphire one and its a good card.
The only flaws are: worse thermals than these new Nvidias and ray tracing ( i dont care about ray tracing)
I remember building a PC with an AMD K6-2 500 and two 3dfx Voodoo 2 cards in SLI for around $1,200 in 1999. That was almost as good as you could get for gaming at the time. Aren't electronics supposed to be getting less expensive?
I was excited for the 4000 series but also didn't have too high of hopes and new prices would be insane, glad I got a 3080 instead!
Finally! Thank you for finally being a reviewer not just saying "yay more performance!" I've felt like I was talking crazy pills with these stupid prices
Excellent review
Great product
Were still being fleeced for the 30 series so the 40 series is ultra fleece
In the UK the FE is $1500 (when converted from GBP to USD and our 20% VAT is added). I have to wonder if anyone in Nvidia's pricing division thought "is it better to sell 3 cards at $1000 or 1 card at $1500"?
I was going to snap up a 4080 but the pricing has put me off, I'll wait to see what AMD offers next month and make a decision from there. My 2080 Super is handling most games ok for now, so no major rush especially with Christmas coming up.
I like how almost every NVIDIA card in the comparison charts is an EVGA card.
Evga is just that good, also probably the most popular brand in NA for Aibs
thanks for watching. for watching.
I'm guessing EVGA was generous with sending out reviewer cards.
@@behindthen0thing dolboeb
@@khaledm.1476 buuuuut their cards were the only ones getting killed by the New World server queue uncapped framerate disaster.
I was going to say "Nvidia has lost its mind" but then I realized that was the title of this video. Really nailed it with this one
yea they lost their minds, I mean how dare they sell a product that's 30% better by increasing the price by 30%????
In the past they did 10% performance increases and called for 200-500$ more. They really lost their minds. Or you guys are fucking stupid. The few exceptions were when they released titans and then 80ti which was usually cheaper but same or even better performance like 1080ti. So I feel you people are stupid or pretend the past GPUs never existed.
They didn't lose their minds, they just know they have brainless fanboys that will buy this.
I dont think the title means “mind”. I was thinking something along the line of shame and dignity
Nvidia still needs to sell their stock of 30xx cards so why introduce new generation that will beat it in price/performance?
@@veduci22 like they did in every past generations, drop the price of old gen
That's a great review. Liked the vid
With R6S having such ridiculous frame rates, do you plan on replacing that test?
I guess, in general, what is your strategy for updating a test suite in the future? Retesting so many GPUs seems like a butt ton of work, so I'm curious. Sorry if you've already talked about this and I've missed it
Nice that you also have some older cards in the charts. That actually makes it useful for judging wether a new card is worth it
GN: a 1-1 performance is stagnation
nvidia: a 1-1 is the golden ratio we shoot for 🙂
@Nobody it’s actually slightly worse than the “1:1 stagnation” lol
@Nobody you are forgetting at this rate the 4090 has better price to performance making the 4080 look stupid af with its price
Not to mention even 7900xt will probably beat it at 200USD less
@Nobody TBF, $700 two years ago is equal to a little over $800 when adjusted for inflation, so it’s about 49% more adjusted for inflation. Of course, that is not an excuse for Nvidia’s BS.
Edit: Steve literally addressed this in the video, I just hadn’t watched to that point yet.
@Nobody It was 1-1 in a few charts. It's better in some, like RT, favoring Nvidia. It's worse in some rasterization, contributing to our complaints. 1-to-1 is just a rough statement of the average. We didn't caveat it every time.
@@GamersNexus PS: you still don't test WQHD
Hi, would it be possible to include 1440p benchmarks in the future? There are a lot of us gamers on ultrawide monitors... Jay is also including this now. Cheers
The craziest thing to me is that not too long ago $1200 would get you a whole ass pc build... not a "budget" lower end one like now but a pretty high end build for the same amount Nvidia now wants us to pay for a single of their overpriced GPUs
You should specify by saying 80 class cards are now reaching $1200 because for the last 3-4 generations the highest end GPU's (Titans, Ti's) were always a $1000+ so idk why you're complaining about it now 6-7 years later 😂
@@WizG. Titans were never meant for gamers in the first place. 80 and 90 class cards are.
@@kadrix732 Let's be real here.. Titan cards weren't technically advertized as "gaming cards" but it was still the fastest card for gaming and people still bought it as such. Plus the 90 class card is really just taking the place of a Titan. I would still consider it a Titan class card as even GamerNexus said in the video
@@WizG. Yes, people still bought it. But the fact they did only further made Nvidia realize people are willing to spend large amounts of cash on it.
@@WizG. 4090 can't be called a Titan card because of two simple reasons alone:
1) It doesn't have all Titan features and drivers. LTT debunked this very well in their 3090 review.
2) 4090 is 40% better than 4080 in Gaming, whereas Titan was barely faster than the gaming flagship except for a couple of months until the "Ti" was released.
These are around 1500€ in Europe.
So for Double of the price of 3080 you get ~50% more performance (in best cases).
Not really a step forward.
More like 1800€ - 2000€ for 4080 from what i see in stores.
Random question, anyone else's video/audio start to not line up near the end of the video?
17:30 So would you say that you're using Control as your experiment's control group?
I can see the 7900xt and xtx truly making this card DOA.
If the performance is anything close to what they are saying it is it will for sure. $200 cheaper base price and 8gb more memory just for starters... and no proprietary power plug.
@@mannyvicev the 6900xt is better than the 3080ti lmao
@@drewg8334 Cant say 6900x is better
more like a equal
Dx12 and vulkan are yes while in Dx11 and Ray are Nah
And fsr 2.1 still has not many game support
@@trashlikeu36 you're missing the point friend, even if that was the case, how would the 7900xtx be on par with a 3080ti when the 6900xt is the same or better?
@@drewg8334 You didn't talk about the 7900. You stated something about the 6900 vs 3080ti. He responded. He was correct. Now, you're now moving the goalposts.
This is why after 8 years of a 2600K I went to Ryzen 3700x. Intel spent generation after generation with mediocre improvements and complacency. I remember thinking "ooh, maybe I will get the 7700K... nope! Oh! maybe the 8700K! Nope! 9700K? Nope! Bye intel! I got my Asus 1080 O8G shipped from Amazon to China with shipping and taxes for no more than $770 in 2016. It was my first high end card. My EVGA Gtx 260 before that was not more than $280 after tax. These mediocre gains are not matched to inflation or reality. Double the pricing for medicore gains is insane.
What u recomend i buy now? Or best to wait?
@@BlackEyedFish wait for amd release and benchmarks. Then decide.
@@BlackEyedFish or just get last gen. If you don't need 4k gaming the 6800xt or 3080 are both great options for around $600 to $700 if you are in the US. That is if you don't buy used which can go down even more
my guess would be the 7900xtx will beat the 4080 in rasterization but loses with rt and possibly 4k performance. But at some point higher than 80fps in 1440p in non competitive games are not really noticable. The new gen should only be considered if you are going 4k.
Got a 4080 and it’s great
This is a great video. I actually just bought an MSI Gaming X Trio 4080 for $500. It works so nice and i think that price is worth it as opposed to $1200 +tax. I got a great deal.
So true on the CPU comparison, I went from an 8700k to a 12700kf more P cores then having E cores making it miles ahead in performance and the 12th gen chip cost me $30 LESS than the 8th gen.
Alder Lake is good value, as was zen 3. Zen 4 while not phenomenal is great compared to this... 😅
im going to go from 9th to 13th, so basically 6 cores to 14 cores
True, with one caveat - CPUs have such huge margins that it's much easier to do such achievements compared to the GPU market.
That doesn't change the fact that this 4080 is absolutely horribly priced.
I really like how you phrased buying a card of the previous generation if it can do what you want, starting at ~ 24:30 . Additionally this price/perf stagnation won't end until people start doing just that.
thanks for watching. for watching.
@Vantrakter Fully agree!
Oh believe you me, there's literally millions of gpu consumers who are sitting here just waiting. I still have my 5700xt and have yet to see any reason to upgrade. It's been nice, extra cash in my pocket. At some point competition will come along and an actual improvement will be available. Then I'll buy.
I'm actually kind of curious: What's a direct comparison between this and say the Titan. (which also launched for 1200). That'd be a thing.