EVGA Aftermath: NVIDIA Responds, Future Plans, & Insane Conspiracies
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We're talking about the aftermath of EVGA's decision to depart NVIDIA's partnership, leaving the company without video cards in its product line. This video includes NVIDIA's response (from CEO Jensen Huang), EVGA's open commentary to the community, and discussion on whether anything has changed this past week.
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00:00 - Aftermath of EVGA Leaving NVIDIA
01:26 - EVGA Sold 10-Year Warranties Until Recently
03:51 - "I'm Not Dead Yet"
05:48 - Exclusivity & Revisiting the Idea of AMD & Intel
07:44 - NVIDIA Comments on EVGA; EVGA on Community
11:26 - On Insane Conspiracy Theories
14:59 - Napkin Math on Margins & Profit
20:19 - How NVIDIA Blocked Progress
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Quick note on margins too: PSU margin industry-wide is 15-20%, so 300% higher than GPU margin puts EVGA in that 15-20% range for PSUs (300% increase over 5% is 20%, as a correction).
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What about those of us who have lifetimes like my 570 gtx?
I can't believe I'm gonna skip this gen of GPU because Nvidia wants to screw gamers with prices and the treatment of partners.
Cringe Af.
Insane Conspiracy theory: maybe an Intel gpu partnership is on the horizon?
Appreciate the updates and inside stories. EVGA + Nvidia sounds like a marriage that went bad. Real bad. The online monitoring of development by NVIDIA is controlling and creepy, for lack of a better word.
I'll look forward to the EVGA 790 MB and maybe some of their top internal talent can do some innovating with power supplies. Keep those updates coming!
I hope EVGA finds themselves back in the gpu market
Kingpin AMD or INTEL Killing Nvidia cards would be glorious!
Especially after the “80” debacle
Lots of skill at that company. Hopefully the team ends up back in it!
It must be soon. It will be difficult to come back if the qualified peronell leaves for other jobs.
@@SourBogBubble don't get your hopes up that Intel would be killing anything this decade.
EVGA replaced a card I had that was out of warranty, during the pandemic lockdowns. Really a life saver and one of the few times I've had a company go above and beyond for me like that.
That’s what earns you a customer for life even if the price is a bit higher, at least for me
Same here. I bought a motherboard from them that was defective out of the box. Without hassle they sent me a new one within 2 days without asking for thr original one first. They're a great company.
When I got to my point in the line for a RTX 3060 I was buying for a friend, the website wouldn't let me make the purchase.
I called customer support and had it taken care of within three minutes. Their customer support was professional, kind, and personable.
EVGA has quality people throughout the company. Pray things remain well with them.
Same here, EVGA is the only company I fanboi for.
Yes, they want profit, but they want you happy and will cover you even if the contract says they don't have to.
Never seen that outside of small local businesses.
This is the most constructive comments I've seen so far.
This is exactly why we need AMD and Intel video cards. Nvidia needs to have an alternative that keeps them in check.
Agreed, it's also why I really hope(d) that intel's graphics cards would would be good, eat up some more of their mid-range share
@@yeti25934 apparently they have 3060 performance for a lower price than Nvidia. Hopefully they don’t give up.
@@FoolOfATuque I hope so, but according to the last rumors I've heard, they already have unfortunately
@@dingickso4098 Come on Burger King, break the McDonald's *monopoly.*
@@yeti25934 I don’t know. They’re definitely still promoting it. MBKHD just did an A770 build for the LTT screwdriver. I guess we shall see.
EVGA is such a great company. I still remember a friend of mine that had an old rig running a 7600GT for years, it died after around 5-6 years running and he reached out to them and they sent him a 9600GT, he didn't even had to pay shipping.
By the way it was already around GTX700 era and we are from fking Brazil, so that really stuck to me!
Yet the 1080ti I bought from them directly died barely a year into owning it and they gave me paragraphs worth of excuses as to why it was actually out of the warranty period when it wasn't, same with one of their PSUs. I'm convinced EVGA has these comments (and Reddit) so thoroughly astroturfed that barely any of these simpy stories are real, it would make sense since so many of these stories are 95% similar with only tiny details changed to make them appear different. I've seen AI programs give more believable variation.
@@Nyx_2142 EVGA is astroturfing yt comments after they left the market for latin americans to feel they have good customer service? unlikely. for us latam folk having any company honor warranty feels wild when most locally bought things have like 30 days get your money back if the product burns down at most
Yeah I’ve had EVGA GPU’s for last 6 years so I am really sad they are gone now.
@@Nyx_2142 well believe it or not it did happen... I don't simp for any company, at the end of the day every single one just wants our money. Pretty shite to hear that they left you hanging with a pricey card like a 1080ti.
The story I told here was absolutely insane for LATAM standards, as YamiFly mentioned. It really left a mark.
Could be that they're great or maybe my friend was just insanely lucky and got picked on the customer service lotery.
@@YamiFlyZX Honestly, it's significantly more believable that the guy you responded to is secretly an NVIDIA employee who is mad as hell at EVGA.
Evga is such a consumer friendly company, so rare in this day and age
Totally agree. Lots of respect
@@wzero07 I’ve never had any issues with evga. I upgraded my evga 1660 super to a zotek 2080 amp and just after warranty expired on the zotek it started artifacting. I have my evga 1660 super in my other mini itx build and it still runs flawless today 6 years later
@@wzero07 yup, I got one for my new build and it's absolutely great
The fact that I mostly have evga hardware and never had to contact them to find out how their support works says it all.
If they release an AMD GPU, I'll buy it. Have their power supply for years and it's great
I feel like I owe you a beer for asking EVGA the tough question and getting laughed at.
You took a major arrow for us. I should at least order a mat for that.
Its amazing he's not in jail because he pissed off enough rich people that sooner or later the oligarchy will do something about it.
I used to be a journalist like you, then I took a "HA" to the face!
@@antisocialgaming1814 Who cares, he presents a great video channel and thats all that counts!!
A conversation with yourself
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If I got laughed at by EVGA, I’d print it and frame it. They’re such a nice company, and they have a habit of not disappointing people. I’m excited to see what they do next.
They're pretentious, so they fit well with Nvidia.
@@michaelmonstar4276 No lol
@@zk0rned Their buyers are to some extent. And I say this as someone who own some of their products.
@@michaelmonstar4276
Pretentious-attempting to impress by affecting greater importance.
Give me an example on them.
@@michaelmonstar4276 Where? When? Proof?
Do you even know the meaning of the word?
It's worth mentioning that EVGA haven't just been serving the enthusuast market but they also supplied embedded (industrial quality) video cards and also offered some customisations where the order quantities justified it.
Nvidia: AIBs are leeches that provide no added value to our products.
Also Nvidia: Actively shuts down any attempt at adding value to their products.
Or steal VBIOS development. They are pulling Apple moves
The 30 series have great price/performance, unfortunately they are ruined by mining.
@@kerbodynamicx472 mining is gone, expect prices to inevitably drop in the near future
EVGA adding value to a product means the customer has less need (or desire) to buy the higher end product that uses the higher cost GPU from nVidia. Another subtle aspect of adding value is that those methods are proprietary to that company and can be patented, thus nVidia cannot develop identical methods. Since nVidia is also selling some cards (FE type) and presumably will sell the whole gamut in the future, it's a subtle but important action for nVidia to prevent other card manufacturers from developing and patenting improvements that nVidia would have also developed and patented.
Unfortunately the only value they're obligated to deliver is to their shareholders, not their customers.
That note about Nvidia moving the VBIOS development environment online so they could monitor it in real-time is *INSANE* . And I thought Apple was paranoid... that's some next level distrust of your own so-called _partners_ ...
Those who make the tools make the rules. If you don't like them buy something else lmao.
@@henlofren7321 simping for Jensen isn't going to boost your framerate my dude.
@@W1ldTangent
Simping for Marx isn't going to get your family back together.
Of course, Nvidia is perfectly free to do with their products and associated tools as they wish. But just because it's allowed doesn't mean they have a right. They've pushed too far this generation, diehards are ready to jump ship for real. The problem is, Nvidia just doesn't care, gamers make up a small and shrinking portion of their revenue. Why do they care about individual customers that buy one GPU at a time when they can go after the ones that buy them by the hundreds or thousands at a time? It's obvious they only really care about the enterprise side these days, the fact they're still tossing us a new GeForce every couple years is just a bonus.
@@henlofren7321 lmao I think you must have me confused with someone else. Please tell me where I mentioned Marxism? Lmao 😂 NEXT
Evga has fantastic quality control and customer service to back up any mishaps. I hope they stay afloat and prosper beyond this
To me it seems really illogic for a company to ditch there biggest revenue without having a back up plan. Maybe they already have other things in mind but because it is in an early stage they keep it quiet.This is of course pure speculation but no company will do things that will harm them badly, even for a company with integrity.
Here in the Netherlandswe have a saying tha says: "Gooi geen oude schoenen weg voordat je nieuwe hebt" which translate to don't throw away old shoes utill you have new ones.
Well, I wouldn’t say a great QC. Last generation FTW3 was the worst. A lots of RMA, several errors reported, and the good support was only to US. Sad news for the workers .. it’s a good company. Hope they can reinvent it
Check pinned comment, PSUs are more profitable
Such great QC that several of my parts from them failed after barely a year and such great customer service that all they did was give excuses about why they couldn't honor warranties for products well inside their 3+ year warranty period and bought directly from their website (they claimed I bought from a reseller on Amazon when I didn't). For all the simping you EVGA fanboys (shills) do, I've yet to actually experience this utopia of customer service and product quality you circlejerk about. My Gigabyte PSU lasted longer and they eventually created a fucking bomb, and my previous MSI card managed to last more than a year before randomly dying too and they actually honored their warranty surprisingly. But sure, they are so amazing.. so amazing they had 3090s bricking themselves for months playing video games.
Only reason I'd invest in an intel ARC card is if EVGA made one.
Weird, EVGA has my trust even more now.
It's somewhat strange that nvidia hasn't really said and done anything in regards off this, but I'm even more keen on choosing AMD over them because of this. And as for EVGA it shows they have integrity.
@@Frank_Pods True dat. Mine's an XFX RX 580. It's still a pretty solid 1080p card that I won't be replacing for as long as it works.
Most of the 15 nvidia cards I have owned since the 90s were evga cards. I never had a problem with any of them, except for the one I literally caught fire to myself, which they replaced no questions asked, with a newer, slightly faster card. evga deserves to be in the hall-of-fame of companies, if there ever was such a thing.
OC'ed a bit too much lol?
By any chance it was a 1070/1080 FTW3? Those were prone to burning down due to overheating VRM's
@@TheMC1X Oh, the card I started the fire on was the 7800 GT back in the day. I was doing a GPU shunt mod and when I was op testing it, my dumb ass tried turning on the pc wit the card not completely in the pci-3 slot. A big spark accompanied by a loud pop, then an open flame on the rear of the pcb. Thank goodness I was able to put it out right away and saved the rest of my rig lol
@@imeverywhereandnowhere56 lol kinda. I was doing a volt mod at that moment, but instead of the fire being caused by the OC, it was me not noticing the card wasn't all the way in the slot, and shorted two contacts together.
@@corndog9482 ouch
EVGA: we're proud to announce our own line of GPU's!
Well thats quite impossible
Were it so easy...
Intel arc.
Im expecting AMD
@@3CODKing fingers crossed for either! IDC who, I just want to see the return of fun, custom boards. Remember back between the n India 6800 series and the 9800 series... Man... Those were excellent. So many makers. So many options. We need that again. Good. Healthy Competition.
The amount of actual reporting you all do is very impressive. Thanks!
EVGA is an incredible company. I hope they do well. They took really good care of me when I was poor and couldn't afford to replace broken parts.
So now that you're in better shape, and remember the great customer support, we're gonna a lot of the stuff from here on out RIGHT?????
You were "poor" when you bought luxury goods anyway??... sthu dude. You don't know what poor means.
@@michaelmonstar4276 it's all relative, I'm going to buy their stuff because they are a good company
@@michaelmonstar4276 poor is always relative. The poorest person in the US is rich relative to someone in a poorer country.
@@michaelmonstar4276 you can also have a computer that you got when you were doing well, and then become poor later. crazy how time works right?
Going to miss EVGA's service. I recall I had to file a warranty claim a few years ago. They did not have the card in stock and they asked if I will accept a comparable replacement. They sent me a NEW next generation card at no extra cost. They were very modest about saying "comparable". Since then I've only run EVGA cards.
Service like this is why EVGA's awesome. They will be missed in the GPU space, no doubt about it.
For sure, I had a similar issue with a psu and since then I’ve run only EVGA psu’s and gpu’s, I have an EVGA 3080 I was going to upgrade through the elite program to either a 4080 or 4090 but it looks like that won’t happen :(
@@saxophite1333 such a shame I was looking forward to getting an evga 4090 but the decision is understandable. Hope other brands have even a shred of their customer service
@@Wavy- agreed, the only other company I like is Corsair but 1- they don’t make gpus 2- their customer service can be hit or miss
Same here. I did couple RMA with them and each time less than 5 minutes of talking then BOOM the replacement cards arrived within 7 days.
They've treated me very well for over 10yrs now, I had a 4-way SLI X58 E-762 Classified board melt the 24pin mobo connector because the booklet said to only plug in the extra molex gpu power on the pcie lanes if running 4 cards, and only two GTX 480 Fermi cards fried it when overclocked. They sent a new board and I continued running 4 GTX 480's on it later lol. Only had one lower tier card that was DoA later on, all the rest of my EVGA cards all run flawlessly to this day. I'm not a NVIDIA fanboy despite running NVIDIA cards over a decade, I'm only loyal to EVGA because they treat customers well and their stuff is solid. If something is wrong, EVGA will make it right.
In the small amount of time that I have found your channel, I have learned so much about the PC industry. Thank you so much for all the effort that you put in your work.
That was savage for EVGA to go public with that announcement right before Nvidia's keynote. I hope Nvidia faces some fallout for their antics during the cryptocurrency boom, how they treat their AIBs, and their insanity with the 4000 series.
What did they do during the crypto boom? The 3000 series was fairly well received I recall. And Steve already said multiple times that his supply chain sources noted Nvidia was having the cards made as fast and as much as they could. (which is why there's also a glut of 30 series afterwards) Did something else happen?
Hell they even tried to limit the hash rate of their cards to discourage miners from using them.
@@kicapanmanis1060 Sold out to miners.
Intel should be writing love letters to EVGA and Fast.
intel has bigger problems than searching partners for their gpu...
EVGA already makes Intel mobos but EVGA wants out
EVGA should stay far away from Intel GPU's until Intel manages to fix them. It could only hurt EVGA's rep
Imagine Tom welcoming them at Intel's front door, given their history. "Welcome home, EVGA! Let's make some f***ing cool graphics cards!"
@@benjaminoechsli1941 why? Intel is still fixing and evga wouldn't help nothing. They don't want intel, they don't have nothing to offer. Get their shit together and then maybe they would make a gpu. But amd seems a better choice cause they know how to make a gpu
Congrats to GN for being the trusted source to break this news and to be part of the conversation. Y'all set the gold standard for independent reporting and I wish there were a GN for every industry out there. It's important work and we don't take it lightly!
I'm actually really glad Kingpin is enjoying his work, I hope Tin is too. You guys NEED to visit them again now that they're in a different department.
Thanks for taking one for the team Steve!
Imagine if EVGA partnered with Radeon. With AMD's less restrictive rules, EVGA could go all out on making the best card possible
Yup agreed. I would def buy one of these before anythig. Else
That would be the best combo. AMD could use reliable partners.
what makes u think they have less restrictive rules 😂😂
I fail to see what EVGA would do that isn't already being done with the restrictions AMD already gives to other companies? You can't add more RAM, or make any meaningful changes besides what looks like Power delivery and cooling.
AMD wouldn't mind; heck, it'd be a great boon for them if KINGPIN stays on and works on AMD cards. AMD is in need of a hardcore OC'er who could push the limits of their silicon and discover any weaknesses they could rectify, and give AMD a strong rival to halo flagship cards from NVIDIA, like Galax' HoF and Colorful's KUDAN.
I don't really blame EVGA.
Me neither. Sucks for the staff though.
Blame nvidia
If anything, this was a smart call for EVGA.
I do.
@@StrikeWarlock I don't know if I'd go that far, but, I respect their decision nonetheless.
Apparently there is a leaked conference call (somewhere on the interwebs) between Nvidia and EVGA where they were told they'd have to buy up Nvidia's existing RTX 3000 stock to even be a board partner in the new 40 series.
WHAT THE F??? No wonder they left...
😁 Thanks for taking that one for the team!
My last two Nvidia cards were EVGA, I never even considered alternatives when shopping, to me they always stood head and shoulders above the competition. The market is absolutely worse off without them.
Yep, it sucks. :(
My last graphics card was an EVGA as well. Still have that old GTX 970 in cold storage as a functional spare for the first computer that needs it.
Team EVGA here too. I _just just_ bought a new card, and I'm not looking forward to the next time I have to shop, haha
Yep, my first 2 EVGA cards I had to RMA, but they were so good on the RMA process I purchased another 2 over the next 10 years. Sad they have to bow out of the market, at least for now.
@@gamechaser002 just built a linux system with my old evga 970, with an evga 2080 in my main build... gonna miss evga :(
I'll miss EVGA, because during the shortage, they held a waitlist for graphics cards. I was able to get my 3060Ti last December, 9 months before the Ethereum Merge took out GPU mining and made cards widely available, 6 months before Crypto Winter fell in and made cards somewhat available
I didn't see Gigabyte or MSI do anything nearly as rational as this and allowing normal people access to these parts.
I love EVGA so much. Very sad about this happening, but I'll always support them.
Really great info, thanks for the video and your continued work in bringing us these types of stories.
I’m more excited with what AMD has to offer. I hope EVGA considers working with AMD.
They wont. There was a reason they didnt do both like MSI, Gigabyte, Asus. They want autonomy on their components. They are leaving the pcb business
Thinking on grabbing a Sapphire card next, I have a 2070S now but I need to think on the next card. 🤔
@@eramires I was gonna go for a kingpin 4090 or a toxic RDNA 3... guess I'm going AMD xD.
@@diocletianlordofcabbages1723 honestly. A 3090ti can be got for like 800 bucks now. That looks like a good buy.
@@TheGodfather101 I second the eBay 3090s. Watch eBay like a hawk for the next month and you should be able to score a $650 3090. Nothing else really makes sense to buy. Watch those backplate memory temps.
If possible make sure you replace the thermal pads and stick a heatsink on the backplate. Helps quite a bit with memory temps. From 110C to ~85c.
16:05 - 5% video card margin vs. power supply margin that is 300% higher would actually be 20%, not 15%, right? Because 100% higher would imply 10% margin, 200% higher would be 15%, and 300% higher would be 20%. The emphasis is on the "higher" wording. If it was just 300% of video card margin, then yes, that would be 15% as 100% of video card margin would still be 5%.
I feel like "300% higher" = "+300%", rather than "300% of" as well. I'm starting to doubt my thinking as pedantic though, lol
@@Rahkoi No, it's a valid area of concern. We're talking about whether to include an entire magnitude based on wording, so it's not nit-picky.
I support your mathematical claims my fellow 4d napkin commenter.
yes, the issue is here that steve is using 300% as a replacement for "3x the margin". but phrasing it in a ways that sounds like and additional 3x of the gpu margin that results in a 4x factor.
You are right. People confuse "300% higher" and "300 of". "300% higher" actually means "400% of" because to be higher you must have the first 100% to begin with.
Loosing EVGA is a big mistake IMO. Those cards feel premium even the small ones unlike the other AIBs. But is not just the quality that will be missed, less AIBs means less competition between Nvidia partners which means higher prices to the already insane official prices! Let's see if they won't have to regret that sooner than expected.
evga was expensive, zotac, pny and the cheap other versions will still compete. maybe the 8+8 pin 3/4 fan ones will get more expensive . meanwhile i want to see yeston cute pets and the like in the european market ^_^
They won't regret it cos they're barely making any profit over it already. It's a lot of work for little money.
@Gamers Nexus, you are, by far, the best PC hardware news channel on any platform and the most reliable source of industry news and thorough benchmarking. Thanks for what you do and keep up the great work!
I've been an EVGA customer since 2006. I built my first gaming pc with there nforce 680i sli with a core2 duo and two 8800gts gpu's. Man I was proud of that build, it was the first pc I experienced that had real power. Been hocked on custom pc building ever since. I hope for many more years for EVGA as a company and wish them the best.
ENGLISH PLEASE
Evga has been my brand of choice for video cards. Never had an issue and i felt like they made a rock solid product.
same, 20+ years not one failure.
I had a friend that had one fan failure in 15years of EVGA cards, and they replaced the entire card no questions ask. I repaired that fan and used it for years when my old 480 finally wouldnt cut it any more and I had no money.
One semi-failure of a 3080Ti HDMI port for 4k 120Hz @ 10-bit RGB (specifically this setting). I thought it was anything but the card and spent a couple hundred dollars on HDMI cables before contacting them. Warranty service was amazing. Everywhere I look, businesses are trading return on investment for quality of service. EVGA leaving the videocard industry is a hit to warranty service on videocards. Anyone know of another company that will cover the warranty if you watercool your card with a third-party block?
Thanks for getting laughed at for us, Steve.
This story has been really interesting, I just bought my FTW3 3080ti a few weeks ago and have bought EVGA products many times before so my interest is vested.
You're doing great work!!
Sad to hear they're not looking towards Zen 4 for their future motherboard line up. The X570 DARK, if expensive, is a beautiful board and I'm sure quite capable.
Could you imagine how big the announcement would be for AMD if they could secure EVGA as an exclusive GPU partner. Prob won’t happen. But woo boy that would be exciting to see.
I think not. AMD has Sapphire. EVGA is not needed.
@@jayvee8502 you can have both?
@@commondirtbagz7130 But Sapphire (and probably PowerColor) wont be amused to share the limited chip allocation and customer base with a new competitor. As AMD cares for its partners (at least more than NV) it may not do that.
@@jayvee8502 AMD has also XFX who also was a Nvidia partner before they switched to AMD.
It would be a lot bigger for Intel. Could be a great way to make an entrance.
Assuming Intel appreciates what they represent then eVGA could negotiate better terms with them. At the moment eVGA has strong distribution connections and a very famous brand name. But if Intel fails then they'd be in a worse position to switch teams afterward.
Regardless of what eVGA has said publicly, I do wonder if signing up with Intel or AMD is in the long term plans and they just don't want to talk about it yet. Maybe negotiating right now.
I have to say EVGA impressed me. They stood by their product when I had issues with a 1080 Ti I had owned for a couple of years. I ran into problems with it and they RMA'd the card for me without any hassle and communicated with me through their forums and directed me to that end. Apart from that, their effort to introduce a queue system during the supply shortages of 30 series cards also speaks volumes about where their concerns are in terms of consumer focus. I'm sad to see them leave the space and I would have been content to continue to give them my business. I'd go so far as to say I'm disappointed to have to give it to someone else. I do hope they eventually decide to take on AMD later on down the road. Good luck to them regardless.
I hope they improve both AMD and Intel, I'm sure Intel would have much to gain working with EVGA
Way back in the day, I had a 7950GTsomething. Turned out it was incompatible with the next Windows OS release, and they RMAd me to the new generation of cards. You can’t expect that kind of service from anyone.
Finally, I would add that I have been in managerial and director positions where we were working with an outside vendor or agency that was difficult to work with. Sometimes this was a person, sometimes this was a culture present at the company. The stress this puts on a company and everyone working in it can be daunting, even life-sucking. You dread days where you know there will be a meeting or some other interaction, dread days where you discuss contracts for the next year(s). Yes, you want to make a profit or serve your customers (in the case of a non-profit), but this stress of a toxic relationship can profoundly affect your quality of life, quality of life for your employees. It isn't inconsequential, quite to the contrary......
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EVGA will forever remain one of my favorite companies, their pro-consumer focus is admirable and rare in this industry.
I would love to see them eventually playing ball for AMD, in both the GPU and motherboard space. I would buy their AMD products in a heartbeat.
Right now they develop power supplies, and some motherboards. I hope they develop cases and fans, and some after market coolers.
@@ERROR-hf3wx Same. An EVGA case with an airflow-optimized design to benefit overclocking, would be amazing.
I have never purchased any other gpu since 2008 wen I got back into the computer building sceme of things
Truthfully, EVGA has one of the highest failure rates out of all the AIBs. I'm not sure why people love EVGA so much other than they have a good RMA/warranty policy and they get overhyped by tech-youtubers. Still good products, if you get one that doesn't fail, but they do have the highest rate.
AMD-based products from EVGA - a dream! I am definitely with you.
It would be cool if EVGA offered mini-ITX boards and broke into that one. Especially since they release high end boards it would be cool to see a gnarly mini-ITX board by them.
EVGA mini ITX Case doesn’t sound bad to me.
@@powerhouse884 I'd buy an EVGA mini ITX case!
I would be happy with standard ATX boards from them... Most of their boards are E-ATX which don't fit in any case I've ever used.
@@MistyKathrine Doesn’t matter, many companies have Cases even tho they dont sell ATX boards. Still they sell other things like fans and PSU that you can use.
We need more Mini ITX Cases specially now with the New GPU sizes getting bigger. So far the NR200P is the only one still capable to carry the 40 series and 3090 GPUs
@@powerhouse884 I actually have an EVGA power supply in my current PC. It came bundled with the GPU I bought last year. My preferred brand for PSUs is Super Flower, but I did always go EVGA for my GPUs.
Fantastic continued reporting on this story, thanks GN!
Fascinating information. Well done.
Could you imagine at the AMD unveiling event Lisa Su unveils the Navi 31 cards manufactured by EVGA! That would be epic!
These guys have got to be the best PC tech channel on here. No contest. The amount of effort and work that they put into each video is just nuts. Hardware Unboxed is right up there as well. Other tech youtubers are more like entertainers these days, and they don't go as in-depth, unfortunately. Not that they suck cuz of that, but you get my point.
I find a lot of other tech guys are just awkward but the success of their channel makes them think they’re personable or genuinely funny.
@@codyharrison9693 lol. To me it's more the clickbait ish titles and the thumbnails. "YOU'LL NEVER GUESS WHAT HAPPENED" and shit like that. If you take a look at subscriber counts you'll see that that's what sells these days. That's what draws people in. Same shit with music or cinema or other content. People in general want to be entertained. It is what it is.
They don't conform to the rules of the oligarchy we live in. They go by the golden american rules we forgot about. Want something done right? Do it yourself. Fix your own car, fix your own computer, build it yourself, repair your phone yourself, do your own taxes, do your own finances, be the HVAC, mechanic, and IT. You won't need to hire a professional if you are the professional. Too bad most people rather spend all their $$$ or go in debt than do it theirself. That's the country we live in, we are ants under the boots of the CEOs.
@@joaosantos5503 Clickbait is almost a requirement of the algorithm for attracting new viewers. Gamer’s Nexus notoriety is self-sustaining that they don’t have to engage in it, but they would most likely see larger channel growth if they did.
LTT notoriously does it, but to maintain a large channel growth, as you said. It’s what draws in clicks and the algorithm tracks engagement based off clicks, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thanks Steve. I just ordered a modmat and T-shirt, yay! Wonder how long it'll take to get here to Australia. Hopefully not too long, I am building a ThreadRipper Pro PC soon (parts ordered).
By the way, love your wall plaque with Australia, the kangaroo, and all the GPUs inside a heart! ❤ Is there a story behind that?
Really going to miss EVGA GPU's. Their service is unmatched. Remember the 1070 thermal pads issue years back? I dragged my feet on that and thought i'd missed their offer of free pads. I contacted them a few months ago just taking the chance that they would still honour it. No questions asked other than my address, was sent to me really quickly. Really excellent customer care.
Was very much looking forward to hearing some more info regarding their thought process. Thanks boys.
Mad props to the team at GN for constantly bring us news, insights and honest reviews for the home computer market. I hope that EVGA can survive this break-up. Too bad that Nivida won't listen to or learn from their partners.
Thank you so much for all the up to date news !
Recieved my EVGA RTX 3080 literally THE DAY you guys broke this story, freaking insane. However from what I've read EVGA is handling the situation well and hopefully they're making a positive move. Also from my personal corrispondence with EVGA support they say they'll honor my 2 year warranty.
I like buying from EVGA, I never feel like I'm going to be ripped off. every single interaction I've had with EVGA has been great, I'm going to miss buying video cards from them.
EVGA should definitely sign with AMD, we need them to help AMD carve out more gpu space to hold back Nvidia from getting more evil then they already are…
Tbf, AMD already had excellent board partners. The main upside of an EVGA partnership would be the PR win.
Come to the dark side Luke.
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@@1pcfred They've just left the dark side.
AMD has shown that they aren't much better than nvidia and are on a road to be even worse with how they locked their resizable bar implantation behind their current gen CPUs, GPUs, and chipsets.
Great Video Steve. One of the best
Awesome Vid great and informative ty for the excellent job ....
One of the few channels I have notifications set to all. Let’s me watch right as you guys drop a video. You guys put out such good content I never feel like its spam or annoying to get the alert. Have a good one and keep up the awesome work GN Team!
EDIT. Thanks for asking about the 10 year warranty. Got one for my 3090 back in 2021. Was only 60 bucks so doesn’t feel too bad if it becomes worthless in a couple years.
Thanks so much for the kind comment! And yes, happy to ask about the warranty. Lots of people were asking us to pass the question along, and EVGA answered quickly!
LTT's title would just be "EVGA said what!?"
It was very noble of them to offer a refund for it. Not many companies would do that. That would make me trust them even more
Yeah, I just picked up a 3090 1 week before this dropped. I was saddened to hear about it but I know EVGA won't leave its customers hanging. I have used there stuff for the last 15+ yrs now.
Thanks!! We try to do our best
Damn with how EVGA is handling this I'm even more depressed over it.
Let it rot, Bai Lan. They don't give a fuck on who they fuck over, the CEOs are out for themselves and no one else.
The company I work at needed some additional high-specced PC recently and I was asked to select the parts, so I looked at EVGA's parts to see if I could include some of them considering they treat their customers well. Sadly they don't seem to distribute where I live, or at least not distribute as well as other brands.
If EVGA partners up with AMD it’ll be my first AMD product I’ll purchase 😁
oh yeah
AMD Cards already get pretty great refinements from AMD but the EVGA refinements on top of that could be incredible
@@wilianrodrigues5280 Sapphire currently hits that spot for AMD - not that EVGA wouldn't be welcome too.
@@wilianrodrigues5280 I hardly consider fixing busted launch drivers a "refinement". The only time I've ever bought an AMD GPU that didn't give me a bunch of trouble was if it was launched at least a year prior.
same here all day long
I think that at this point in time it's safe to state that Nvidia is very anti-consumer. Really wishing the best for EVGA.
Still hoping they can join team(s) Red and/or Blue in the near future and just send Nvidia a giant *expletive* in their general direction.
Yep, they are becoming more and more like Apple. It sucks. If AMD or intel can ever offer a real alternative to Nvidia, I'll probably make the switch.
Nvidia has always been very anti-consumer. AdoredTV made a great video about it a few years back.
now?????????? dont you remember when they tried to block a youtuber because they didnt liked the raytracing feature of nvidia gpus????
@@Snakee423 They have tried to block most of the major tech tubers at different times actually. Nvidia hates the media.
Such a baffling comment. They've always been anti-consumer.
There are so many variables to why EVGA pulled out of making video cards. Between all of this you have crypto miners, an overstock in video cards, inflation, binned gpu's, and some of the other stuff we have no clue on - I can absolutely understand why EVGA is saying "I'm Out"
Right, but they are desperately trying to spin it as Nvidia's fault...
@@Wobbothe3rd Nvidia makes it very difficult for AIB's to make profit. Most gpu sales are like 5% profit. Nvidia has purchase requirements and if an AIB doesnt purchase enough Nvidia will threaten them with pulling their high end supply or their next gen products. So its basically a hostage situation.
@@Wobbothe3rd
>Desperately
Bruh it's Nvidia's fault even if you are lazily pointing your finger from the COUCH in terms of effort at this point.
I was on the EVGA queue to get a 30 series. I missed my order window by minutes, and couldn’t order. I emailed them and they renewed my link, I was able to order and enjoy my 3060Ti. Will miss them in the market!
Hey, I was one of those noncompete clause people! Good to know for sure - that's something I've seen with a number of businesses I've worked with/for so it wasn't too far of a reach, but glad to know that's not the case here.
If Intel is able to get EVGA as a board partner, it could quickly increase their position in the GPU market, and give them a way to compete with Nvidia and AMD. Arc can use their experience
A renowned AIB can't save an GPU architecture that still needs more work.
@@betaunknown It can lower the amount of problems Intel is facing.
Sure, but it's iffy whether Intel will even have a horse to hitch to for much longer, and with EVGA being passionate about performance, I suspect they aren't enthusiastic about Arc's driver situation.
They'd be more likely to join AMD, a known quantity making exciting strides in GPU manufacturing. While I'm sure AMD grabs a healthy margin in sales to its board partners these days, their emphasis cost effectiveness likely leaves noticeably more headroom for AIBs than Lovelace would.
@@karama300video NO it cant. Their problem is design and drivers. An AIB cant fix that. EVGA would actually be more likely to lose rep from that situation.
@@dralord1307 that is true, even if it were to present a win for Intel it would be a definite loss for EVGA
The last part hits different. That's definitely a point that EVGA had stood for when others did not - the overclockers. Probably they could somehow bring that experience into their motherboards (but ASUS holds the crown on that - let me know if that changed lately) but that's definitely a loss on the community. The Big Sad.
As with the others...really hope they get back on GPUs for either the remaining camps. So many bad news the last few years...at least there should be a win for some time
Hope EVGA figures something out fast, so they won't loose too many of their top-talent individuals.... especially if NVIDIA swoops in and snags them up. How bad would that look.
Sept. 23, 2022 - Thanks to Steve and Gamers Nexus for another informative and interesting video report. I purchased an EVGA RTX3080 Ti in the past month from Amazon, because it was out of stock at EVGA. I did register the card with EVGA, and I will reach out to EVGA regarding the warranty on the card. Since as Steve pointed out they will no longer be supporting NIVIDA GPUs, it will be interesting to see if they are offering any compensation for that.
They will still offer the standard 3 year warranty on the card, the refunds were for people who bought the extended 7 year warranty (for 10 total).
@@MistyKathrine Thank you for the info. You've been most kind.👍😊 I rarely worry about warranties, but since Steve mentioned it. I thought I would check with EVGA and see if there was anything I should know. I love the company because of their Tech & customer service. Not to mention their outstanding quality products, (fan boy much?😁). Btw.. My eldest daughter is named Catherine. 😉Stay well.
I bet intel and AMD are actually pretty excited at thE proposition of partnering with EVGA, this whole deal looks almost like a positively angled marketing campaign to the other GPU companies from a certain perspective. It screams “hey the people love us and we made good shit! Buy in!”
Sounds like EVGA had a good relationship with Tom Pederson, so I'm hoping maybe we can see EVGA intel cards in the future or something.
I doubt AMD will partner them. AMD had already had Sapphire.
I think AMD would make a better partner than Intel. Intel is as bad as Nvidia and even Apple
If companies start loosing money they pull out of any situation they do not need problems.
Sapphire was my go to manufacturer for all and cards, up to the latest Rx 580. They have good solid cooling solutions and never failed on me. And one sticks to what works. Reliable, cool, silent.
Sadly for them I am not in need for the near future for any new GPU as I replaced my PC with a laptop.
the 750ti and the future gpus of the same size were some of the coolest small yet powerful gpus i'm going to miss EVGA if they truly are done with gpus
I bought an EVGA 750W Bronze PSU i few years ago for a build I was doing for a friend... about 2 years later it started have some baaaad coilwine and some ticks when turning it off or on. I wrote EVGA a supportticket, they said "send it in, we'll see". 3 weeks later (it had to ship internationally) I got an 850W gold PSU return, and an e-mail saying something "we could hear the same as you, we don't think it's a major issue, just some bad coilwine... sorry you had to wait, hope this new one will fit your needs"... They have AWESOME customer service in my book!
Hey Steve. One of the things the guys from Intel did share with Linus was the planned integration between iGPU and ARC to enable simultaneous independent use of both graphics functions. I bet EVGA could give you in a single mobo both the insanely best gaming board AND streaming board in one.
EVGA is revered as a high end brand. I hope they get back in the game in some way.
@QuicklyQuackers sounds like Asus
@QuicklyQuackers Isn't that because of NVIDIA's hold on its AIB partners? To my understanding, AIBs can't really iterate or invest highly in better solutions than what they have now. Especially when the MSRP is unknown until the CEO is on stage and because of low-profit margins?
@QuicklyQuackers Understood.
@@ze-ph9774 That might be the case, in the past for example Asus made the HD 5970x2 ARES and boi that heat sink was something (FULL COPPER)
@QuicklyQuackers “bottom of the barrel”… so by your logic any anecdotal incidence makes something bottom of the barrel? Bruh I got a evga 1080 ftw3 in 17. It’s still running perfect and my pc is air cooled. You sound like you did summ stupid in your build, because 95% of time its how you manage your build. Id suggest you check your build, but you sound like you come to bottom of barrel insta conclusions, so no company can help with this 🤷🏼♂️
I know they probably won't but EVGA teaming up with AMD would be an absolute dream team combination that would take the market by storm.
I think not. AMD had Sapphire already.
thanks for explaining the math steve. and i'll still be looking to evga 1st for any pc part i may need in the future. psu, clc, whatever.
These are amazing videos as a gamer and investor. Thank you!
I don't think I've ever had an EVGA GPU and I'm feeling like I missed out. Hopefully they punch back with RDNA3. It sounds like that would be a really cool partnership.
Really glad you guys got the scoop on this, and are keeping on top of the questions and issues we have been raising. The extended warranty has been a major concern of mine, and I appreciate the fact you got an answer to that. Rock on GN
Interesting content. Thanks, Steve!
I've bought tons of EVGA Video cards. They have always been great to work with.
I have stayed loyal with EVGA's GPUs for many many years. It brought great pain when this news broke.
Literally exactly why I ordered a 3090ti FTW3 ultimate because I couldn't find a kingpin new and I don't want a 4000 series like I was planning without EVGA to replace my 2080ti from EVGA on my motherboard from EVGA powered by my power supply from EVGA. Fuck Nvidia I hope they join Intel.
Fun Fact: I was working at OCZ in the lab one day when I thought "Man, a 90 degree ATX connector would go well in the new cases with the cable channels..." I end up on a phone call with a young Jacob Freeman and run it by him. He sends me a mock-up of the connector later that day and their next board had the connector. I ended up getting a TON of motherboards for free. EVGA boards have improved greatly. First one I had was the P55 Classified. Their current crop is great, whereas that board had some funky issues and PLX chip latency.
These time stamps are great
I know many people value EVGA for their service. When I bought products from them I did not know anything about their service. Their products were simply very high in quality, putting a lot of attention on things that you usually don't do any advertising with, including stuff like transient response for mobos VRM's. When I bought and imported an very expensive motherboard, I had some questions afterwards / issues afterwards. One of the dudes, who was directly involved in designing the board, Illya Tsemenko, took care of my issues personally and made no big deal out of it - he naturally cared for the product he was involved with. That moment I knew I did the right thing buying that board - it really felt as if they not only knew what they are doing, but also tried to be more than an anonymous big company, as they actually identified with the products they sold.
I wanted to buy an graphics card from EVGA after the "gpu-drought". It's a shame they are not participating in the next gen of gpus. I'm gonna miss' em.
The first GPU I ever bought was an EVGA GTX 750ti. It was a great card for the time! It still lives on in a PC my brother and I built for my sister.
Its a shame EVGA isn't launching a AM5 board with the launch of Zen4 but, delaying such a product until say Zen5 or Zen4+ is probably not a bad idea so any potential bugs can be fixed first. Best to take a wait and see approach.
Yeah, it sounded like they were having a lot of issues with the early boards. EVGA has a lot more experience working with intel boards, so waiting a bit before going into the next AMD board might not be a bad thing.
where did you get your work benches? There was a smaller one, can you show a picture of it?
watching this on a great EVGA 1070 FTW .. serving me great for years
EVGA should revive it's mobo line, they really did make some of the best not that long ago
What? And deal with Intel's greed again instead?
They are still making mobos
@@Smoke_Weed_Everyday_ Nvidia used them and evga psu in their recent build too lol
It never died. They released Z690 boards and even their first AM4 board last year.
@@wahahah it's sad we won't get to see a kingpin, hopefully the suprim liquid provides somewhat of a placeholder for ftw3 hybrid
I had a few things that I was the original owner of with EVGA where and when they still had the lifetime warranty offered with it.
To not only see them honor it, but be as willing to offer to upgrade accordingly, was humbling. Honestly about the only thing I would have wanted differently with EVGA, was just to see some graphics cards and/or motherboards with a white pcb. That was kind of it, really.
I'm going to miss them in the gpu space so damned much, that's for sure.
When I got an email with the opportunity to purchase a 3090 Kingpin Hybrid, I definitely hesitated because I already had a founders edition. So glad I made the swap, and glad to have some of the best hardware that EVGA and Vince ever developed. Even if I upgrade someday I’ll hold onto it forever.
Steve, I gotta say, I'm impressed by how well you present all of this. On a side note, I'm not at all happy about probably having to buy a VGA very soon, as I think my 1060 just died the other day after a possible 3yo brat related encounter :`(
I would like to see EVGA expand their motherboard product line. EVGA only makes two products in the segment, the Dark and the Classified with the Dark being more of a test/overclocking bench than a daily-able motherboard leaving only one for use in a normal system. Most consumers aren't even aware that EVGA offers these products to begin with, you just about never see them in stores or featured on websites. I'd like to think that higher production volumes and better marketing could lead to better performance for the company in the segment as most consumers in the market for something like a Unify, Hero, or Master would be more than happy with the level of quality and support offered from owning an EVGA motherboard. This would also be easier to carry their name and reputation with than something like power supplies, it's pretty difficult to make a power supply into a "halo" product. Maybe if we're lucky, EVGA will eventually join AMD alongside XFX in the "Nvidia doesn't like us anymore" club
if evga made a normal ass daily use board i would buy it instantly
@@killingtimeitself Yeah, a standard ATX board. The other issue I have with EVGA boards is that most of the are E-ATX which wont fit in my case. I've always wanted to try and EVGA motherboard.
@@MistyKathrine yeah, i mostly just want a standard board for the usual use cases, afaik EVGA only produces boards meant for XOC
@@killingtimeitself Yep, I would love to see them offer a wider selection.
@@MistyKathrine certainly
As someone who has been using the same EVGA power supply from the first computer I ever built (still going strong 9 years later!), I really hope others have as excellent a perception of their power supplies as I do, and that they can stay afloat without their GPU market.
My next PSU will also be EVGA when the need arises for a planned itx build. EVGA 4 life!
My decade old 750w EVGA PSU is also still going strong. Two MBs and three EVGA GPUs later it's still going strong.
Friend of mine is furious at his evga power supply which fried his rig lol.
Mine failed after 6 years (650W G1), thankfully my MSI motherboard was well protected against the failure and just cut power when things were wrong.
EVGA replaced it no questions asked within the 10 year warranty so that's good at least.
@@joshuacheung6518 - yeah, every manufacturer has failures here and there. That’s why I liked EVGAs warranty. Did your friend report the problem to them?
@@Dozav7 😂 no he's too busy yelling at everyone who will listen that he lost his $1500 rig
17:16 That exceptionally simple math still took me a few rewinds to understand😅
I really hope that EVGA can continue to be successful and make products because I would like to support them. Finding companies with morals these days is hard and where possible I would like to give them my support