Crazy Bad $5000 Alienware Gaming PC: R13 Aurora Tear-Down

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  • @GamersNexus
    @GamersNexus  Před 2 lety +1163

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    • @Mondfischli
      @Mondfischli Před 2 lety +33

      ...Failienware?🤔 Had me lost in translation for a second. Then you opened the case ..🤣..🤧..😅

    • @joramsim
      @joramsim Před 2 lety +2

      @@trexdel no man... noo..

    • @mikes567
      @mikes567 Před 2 lety +6

      when its that kind of monies i dont mind watching 3-10 videos about it since thats a mighty large shitsandwich to eat

    • @mattb6646
      @mattb6646 Před 2 lety

      That name is so perfect it must be fate

    • @thaldoras1025
      @thaldoras1025 Před 2 lety +15

      I really want to watch an interview with the engineers behind these pre builds. Too bad Dell will probably never allow that. Imagine going over the various weird things in the case and the engineers explain why it is done like that. Would be hilariously entertaining and educational.

  • @dragontales1999
    @dragontales1999 Před 2 lety +4953

    It's like Dell knows that Steve hates terrible pre-builts and they cook them extra spicy so you'll be surprised at just how low they can go!

    • @I_Am_Hateful
      @I_Am_Hateful Před 2 lety +85

      picturing that scene from the movie Waiting where each person in the kitchen takes a turn messing with a bad customers lunch, just this case its dell employees ruining steves day with a pre built.

    • @ejkk9513
      @ejkk9513 Před 2 lety +48

      Steve has said many times that he doesn't hate pre-builds. He hates bad products through and through.

    • @randybobandy9828
      @randybobandy9828 Před 2 lety +3

      @@I_Am_Hateful fromunda cheese!!

    • @KingLarbear
      @KingLarbear Před 2 lety +37

      @@ejkk9513 no one said this, he said... "Steve hates TERRIBLE prebuilds"... the word terrible is there for a reason

    • @Real_MisterSir
      @Real_MisterSir Před 2 lety +20

      @@ejkk9513 He said "Steve hates TERRIBLE prebuilts", not "Steve hates prebuilts".

  • @Shane9934
    @Shane9934 Před 2 lety +5042

    So I was somewhat involved in developing this system (can’t say specifically for reasons) and want to clear something up. Everyone, and I mean everyone designing the r13 wanted a new chassis. It was a constant point of contention among the engineers and designers, led to a small loss of staff and proved to be a major hurdle.
    Management refused to listen and doubled down, it was either make it work or get out. For many of us, the r13 was meant to be an industry redemption story, a system worth every penny. While management refused new chassis designs, they simultaneously demanded we shove as much tech (mechanically and otherwise) into it.
    As GN said, all the fancy shmancy additions were implemented to fit a ridiculous number of high-performance components into a chassis designed for Office workers of yesteryear. It wasn’t necessary, but at the same time, it was.
    “Bloat” is an understatement, half the development cycle was spent on making this work. Management gave us a reason, we were told that our chassis were over-produced in previous quarters and that all previous stock needed to be sold off before building in others.
    We were incredibly disappointed with the company, we felt as if we failed our fans and there was absolutely nothing we could do about it. Our lead quit after the r13 shipped, an incredibly talented individual that fought with management for years over stuff this channel regularly points out.
    My main point in all of this is, please don’t blame the engineers and designers at Dell. we’re definitely not idiots, rather, we’re chained to Dell’s inherent greed and backwards managerial style. We don’t have any say, and if we did, things would be a hell of a lot different.
    Sorry everyone, just about every colleague of mine watches this channel, hoping to get more of a voice in upcoming products.
    If you have a minute, contact Dell and encourage them to “listen to the engineers!”, maybe that’ll make a difference!

    • @jacktrusler6506
      @jacktrusler6506 Před 2 lety +573

      It usually ends up being this way, guys actually doing the work on the ground telling management that their ideas are bad and there's an obvious better option. I feel like it happens so often it's becoming a truism.

    • @lordcommander3224
      @lordcommander3224 Před 2 lety +140

      This thing is like a German sports car with the amount of engineering it took to over complicate design. Everything might be somewhat forgiven if the thing performed well.

    • @TechSY730
      @TechSY730 Před 2 lety +129

      And for the airlow, let me guess. They insisted on the glass on the front because "it looks cool" and/or "it was like that last time". And didn't even allow the compromise of gaps or holes around the sides to at least give _some_ breathing room

    • @adreiiaii510
      @adreiiaii510 Před 2 lety +290

      @@jacktrusler6506 The even shittier side to that is.. when there is a massive success story... who gets the credit? Department heads and managers.

    • @adreiiaii510
      @adreiiaii510 Před 2 lety +106

      This whole project is a beautiful piece of engineering art. Be proud of that at least. As GN said, it's like a computer themed puzzle box.
      It's just a shitty computer, and as you explain, it's not any of your faults.

  • @simsbanshee
    @simsbanshee Před rokem +584

    I bought a faulty gaming laptop from them. After six failed repairs they tried to get me to sign a note on the repair slip that "it was not their fault" and told me it meant they wore a mask.... I started recording audio of my conversations with them after the 3rd repair and they gave me a full refund when I threatened to sue them for attempting to coerce me into signing a statement under false pretenses.

    • @yurikadzz
      @yurikadzz Před rokem

      Very nice of you, fuck thouse guys 😼

    • @pricklycats
      @pricklycats Před rokem +37

      Wow my friend is like a Dell fanboy I should show him these comments lmao

    • @pricklycats
      @pricklycats Před rokem +9

      I'm not sure why but he is for some reason

    • @TheLoreShack
      @TheLoreShack Před rokem +31

      ​@@pricklycats he needs to wake up

    • @itsTyrion
      @itsTyrion Před rokem +27

      You should've sued anyway for the attempt alone. Or at least report it

  • @Leanzazzy
    @Leanzazzy Před rokem +499

    Good on them for exposing manufacturers' shameless tactics like this.

    • @codecodderson3607
      @codecodderson3607 Před rokem

      Yeah but the problem is they'll always be idiots to buy it and this shit will still exist cuz people are fucking dumb

    • @GlorifiedGremlin
      @GlorifiedGremlin Před rokem +7

      Seriously, the motherboard IO thing is just dirty

    • @ashupashu5559
      @ashupashu5559 Před rokem +6

      @@GlorifiedGremlin Not to mention a 120MM AIO in a 5000 dollar build

    • @th3_g3ntl3man
      @th3_g3ntl3man Před rokem

      @@GlorifiedGremlin Right?

  • @vishnushankartripathi450
    @vishnushankartripathi450 Před 2 lety +9393

    Props to Alienware for always managing to make their products worse.

    • @Ay-xq7mj
      @Ay-xq7mj Před 2 lety +253

      Well to be technical its Dell thats why its shit. Alianware is just their shitty gaming branding.

    • @hamzabajwa1960
      @hamzabajwa1960 Před 2 lety +333

      If you drop 5000 on a DELL / Alienware prebuilt at this point, you deserve to be ripped off.

    • @nazmulfahad3044
      @nazmulfahad3044 Před 2 lety +38

      Tbh kudos to them for making a multipurpose puzzle board

    • @theshadiest7109
      @theshadiest7109 Před 2 lety +148

      @@hamzabajwa1960 I feel like if you have 5000 and have no clue what you're doing, you would pay a PC nerd 200 bucks to go shop and build it for you in front of you. That's what I would do.

    • @suntzu1409
      @suntzu1409 Před 2 lety +13

      Achievement unlocked:
      Out of this world experience®

  • @farolitohernandez4392
    @farolitohernandez4392 Před 2 lety +493

    I truly believe that if the McLaren F1 team ditched their Dell sponsorship their cars would run 30% cooler and 200 extra hp due to lack of bloatware.

    • @khaid12345
      @khaid12345 Před 2 lety

      They need to get rid of it. They are Eating plenty of ass. Hell, they are getting beaten by Haas.

    • @gokaired4973
      @gokaired4973 Před 2 lety +17

      And less porpoising!!

    • @JeremyCook1
      @JeremyCook1 Před 2 lety +6

      Still wouldn't help the honey badger

    • @marvinracer88
      @marvinracer88 Před 2 lety +1

      laughed so hard reading this 😆

    • @ThatLaloBoy
      @ThatLaloBoy Před 2 lety +7

      I know this is a joke, but Norris had one hell of a drive in Imola last weekend. He had no business being 3rd in that car, but he did it anyways.

  • @xmateinc
    @xmateinc Před rokem +368

    5k and they still have a regular HD in there. Wow.

    • @louistournas120
      @louistournas120 Před rokem +27

      And where is the DVD drive?

    • @xmateinc
      @xmateinc Před rokem +8

      @@louistournas120 dvd drive? Who has those anymore! Lol

    • @TheRedRaven_
      @TheRedRaven_ Před rokem +51

      Lmao an HDD paired with a 3090, totally makes sense. Surely that HDD will be able to stream 4k textures at blazing speeds.

    • @videosuperhighway7655
      @videosuperhighway7655 Před rokem +5

      Seriously they could have put a sata ssd or better U.2 connection and put in a nice 15mm enterprise ssd.

    • @MrWinotu
      @MrWinotu Před rokem +5

      @@xmateinc me but I have bluray RW

  • @Phat_TONY
    @Phat_TONY Před rokem +399

    I used to work for Dell, i was on the Alienware support team. support was separated for desktops laptops and alienware had its own set of people. we had all the tech "papers" for them. the components used were of the lowest grade possible. we had to upsell and at least give the customer a sales pitch, at least once in every conversation with customers. OMG the pricing on the parts Dell had us selling, i would personally would never even consider any of the parts of any quality. but dell wanted, even the support team, to believe that the parts were of top quality as to be more convincing to the customer. our test lab had a bunch of "burnt out" parts. if you knew what the margin of profit items were , you would flipping flip. many of the parts were salvaged of older "dead units". the margin on some items were over 500% profit for Dell. We could see the prices and the margin for Dell. The tool we used\ showed us the pricing and the profit margin. some agents main purpose for doing support on Dell was to earn more for selling. yes dell did have an incentive program for agents that sold and sell they did. Not a bad extra amount earned in the month.

    • @huldu
      @huldu Před rokem +27

      This does not surprise me at all. Just opening a dell computer and having a look inside even over 20 years ago you knew it was bad. It's just surprising to see nothing has changed but hey, if the scam works and people are buying the garbage what can you do? I've never been a fan of prebuilt computers in general but people need to be aware of companies like dell that they're really bad and something that should be avoided at all cost.

    • @pricklycats
      @pricklycats Před rokem +17

      @@huldu I was just about to get a Dell PC but ended up changing my mind lol and I didn't even know all this stuff so thank god.

    • @7wpollard
      @7wpollard Před rokem +6

      You used to work for Dell. Tell me you quit because of your morality.

    • @Phat_TONY
      @Phat_TONY Před rokem +16

      @@huldu i left due to conflicting approaches to how the teams were managed. and because the winning mentality was to sell more than support i didnt want to have anything to do with dell anymore. literally if you combed the support team, from the 30 ish people on the whole team you would find maybe only 1/3 that had a good knowledge of tech , which these people carried the main "tech" support, from ticket to lab testing to customer solution. 1/3 had basic pc skills and 1/3 that did constant "training" to learn the basics. lol. now whether or not you consider ,me not wanting to sell anything and leaving the dell ecosystem a moral choice or not is totally on you and anyone else curious. i was and still am, not a sales rep just a PC/Server tech guy. and trying to sell to a customer that called for help isnt my thing. nor should any tech persons requirements while doing their jobs

    • @stuporman
      @stuporman Před rokem +4

      i used to fix these at the depot. man it was glitchy bios dog sh...

  • @twoc400s5
    @twoc400s5 Před 2 lety +663

    That motherboard has to be the undisputed king of the "instant e-waste" category.

    • @florisvideler
      @florisvideler Před 2 lety +18

      nahhh, its just "E-atx" XD

    • @3Runner95
      @3Runner95 Před 2 lety +56

      my front usb died, guess i'll have to send my 5k pc for a $1000 motherboard replacement that lasts 3 months

    • @PilatuS23
      @PilatuS23 Před 2 lety +22

      It sure is. All non standard parts just suck. If anything is wrong you can't do nothing with it. Non standard parts should be banned. Imagine paying 5k for something you can't fix without motherboard and case needing each other. Dead motherboard, replace the case. Problem with the case, can't use the motherboard. I really hate non-standard parts.

    • @kurtthealien585
      @kurtthealien585 Před 2 lety +6

      20:45 Hey for 5000$ it can make noise while bending 🤣🤣🤣

    • @forbiddenera
      @forbiddenera Před 2 lety +1

      My previous motherboard was like this, Acer Predator Orion 3000..(got a pre-built 9700 w/2070S for 400 cad 2 years ago almost - normally wouldnever touch a pre-built) .. super disappointed seeing that after upgrading my cooler and having it be too tall for the case and then not being able to do sfa about it. Then I saw 2 9g boards at my local recyclers and grabbed them not knowing they were being sold DoA and getting disappointed more finding a busted socket on one..however the other actually worked fine and just had a weird ram configuration that threw me for a loop too also thinking it was dead until I read the manual (if using 1 or 2 of 4 slots, the insertion is reversed from almost every non-server motherboard I've seen, so very likely this is how they figured it was dead).. throw that with the 9700 and the 2070S+3060 now w/new 970pro (pb came with sn512) in a Fractal Meshify C and now I have something that doesn't shut off when it goes over 100w cpu for more than 10s....
      ..and also, a pile of e-waste (stupid proprietary motherboard and case).. such a dumb motherboard format

  • @miguelgutierrez2759
    @miguelgutierrez2759 Před 2 lety +775

    You're not paying for just a computer Steve, you're paying for even MORE of the Dell experience!

    • @suntzu1409
      @suntzu1409 Před 2 lety +19

      *Out of this world experience™

    • @HazardXXX
      @HazardXXX Před 2 lety +2

      I have at work HP i7 9th gen computer with RTX2060 it lives in a clean room but when I run GPU-Z test temps go to 120C after 5 seconds and it shuts down. It's 100% clean from any dust PC about 2 years old. I guess it's thermal paste or bad design. I had my RX580 for 6 years never had issues with overheating having stock thermal paste. What Dell and HP are doing its absolute trash.

    • @serendipitydoespewpew8950
      @serendipitydoespewpew8950 Před 2 lety +5

      First I thought you said "Dull Experience!" It might as well be that from the video.

    • @SilverJackLeg
      @SilverJackLeg Před 2 lety +4

      But that's exactly the point here. We are looking at this problem from a wrong point of view - technology know-how instead of sales. Dell didn't make this for you or me or Steve. They know enthusiasts will build their own rig and never buy this piece of crap. They are selling a brand here for people with lots of cash on the hip, who just want the most expensive stuff. They don't get really what's inside, but it looks like a lot of engineering that supports the price tag.

    • @XenonG
      @XenonG Před 2 lety +2

      @@HazardXXX I remember reading somewhere years ago that HP, Asus and a few other brands use two thermal paste suppliers from Taiwan and Japan that dries out at exactly 2 years after applying. Sounds about right for your case lolol

  • @shoryuken3305
    @shoryuken3305 Před rokem +141

    I can’t believe I used to buy Alienware , thanks to channels like yours I now build and never looked back

    • @idkchocolate
      @idkchocolate Před rokem +8

      Before I got my own pc, I use to always want an alien bet never settled with one, and I'm glad I didn't

    • @atropusarbaalish4214
      @atropusarbaalish4214 Před rokem +26

      Alienware used to be amazing. And then, Dell bought them.

    • @EngineerMikey5
      @EngineerMikey5 Před rokem +1

      ''I'm nngh.... I'm uuurgh.... I'm b-bUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULDING!!!!''

    • @Desugan69
      @Desugan69 Před rokem +1

      Bevor it whas owned by dell it whas a bunch of geeks and gamers making them and they had qualitq for the price but since dell it became a cash grab sadly

    • @dcard228
      @dcard228 Před rokem

      Pre Dell Alienware was fantastic

  • @thatlastrock
    @thatlastrock Před rokem +36

    Alienware PCs are one of the main reason many people think building your own PC is an impossibility.

  • @Slaking_
    @Slaking_ Před 2 lety +956

    It's impressive how Alienware continually makes the biggest, most unwieldy cases ever, and yet they still manage to have barely any space inside

    • @TheRealAb216
      @TheRealAb216 Před 2 lety +89

      They just slap a corvet body kit on a golf cart.

    • @SilverJackLeg
      @SilverJackLeg Před 2 lety

      Yeah, like they wanted as many unused corners as possible to smuggle cocaine over the border.

    • @nathanlarson6535
      @nathanlarson6535 Před 2 lety +57

      half the case is just the robot-vagina knock-off console looking plastic exterior. the inside is the same chassis as a low-end dell office PC from 2005.

    • @amw2663
      @amw2663 Před 2 lety +42

      you know, for a brand called alien ware, they sure don't know their way around space very well

    • @ionstorm66
      @ionstorm66 Před 2 lety +15

      That has to be 20-30% bigger than an ATX mid tower, while being matx.
      I bet it's larger than the matx Torrent.

  • @nybsfp7486
    @nybsfp7486 Před 2 lety +614

    I loved how the “this is not a handle” warning just low key redeemed itself

    • @1337Ox
      @1337Ox Před 2 lety +23

      the "handle" parts had me absolutely dying

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred Před 2 lety +17

      For something that is not a handle it sure looked like every other handle I've ever seen in my life. So I'm glad they put that text on it. I mean on my own I'd have never figured out that was in fact not the handle it looked like.

  • @garyh5176
    @garyh5176 Před rokem +19

    This kind of review makes me feel so much better about building my own!

  • @BenYTC
    @BenYTC Před rokem +29

    I love that the side panel release sounds exactly like my 14 year old optiplex 755, Dell never changes.

    • @jordancox559
      @jordancox559 Před rokem

      Sounds just like my 9020 too 😂😂

    • @cgnizant311
      @cgnizant311 Před měsícem

      uh yeah pretty sure a spring release a decade later is still gonna sound like a spring release. dell does change but yall so sucked into these shit ass reviewers that YOU not dell YOU keep the same biased opinion.

  • @tuurekeranen1771
    @tuurekeranen1771 Před 2 lety +511

    "We bought this 5000$ thrashheap with our own money!" had me chuckle. Keep the blade keen, GN!

    • @flimermithrandir
      @flimermithrandir Před 2 lety

      Its for a good Start for sure. lol

    • @carzymadhatter370
      @carzymadhatter370 Před 2 lety

      Almost spat my coffee out when he said that, such a good line!

    • @rednammoc
      @rednammoc Před 2 lety +2

      @Ivan Zhao If this product was modestly priced, you might have a point. But it's not.

    • @forbiddenera
      @forbiddenera Před 2 lety

      ..and I bet even if it was something he normally did (which I'd doubt anyway) that this is so bad he'd feel like an a$$ for reselling it to recoup even half.

    • @TalesOfWar
      @TalesOfWar Před 2 lety +1

      That line reminded me of the Firefly pilot when Mal shows Zoe the ship for the first time, and she asks him "You paid money for this? On purpose?"

  • @jsalce
    @jsalce Před 2 lety +293

    Dell saved $40 by repurposing an old PC chassis...then spend thousands engineering and making parts to fit the old case.

    • @tbrowniscool
      @tbrowniscool Před 2 lety +34

      It blows my mind. This PC is like a Kit-Car. You get a Ferrari engine, brakes, suspension, wheels/tyres. Then go to your garage and stuff it into an MR2 and expect the good results.

    • @TheMadYetti
      @TheMadYetti Před 2 lety +14

      @@tbrowniscool and the most tragic thing is - leave MR2 alone and you will have a decent car, not mutiled piece of junk with some "good" parts

    • @tbrowniscool
      @tbrowniscool Před 2 lety

      @@TheMadYetti EXACTLY! I mean it must take more effort to get all these top end bits of hardware and cram them into a tiny but also massive box with no airflow. The mind boggles

    • @erikhendrickson59
      @erikhendrickson59 Před 2 lety +4

      @@tbrowniscool I would bet that it's not the mechanical engineering of the parts in the case itself that's extremely expensive, so much as the engineering behind manufacturing and assembling them in a cost effective manner. Which, based on what I'm seeing here, certainly has been a failure (nobody would call this product "affordable" in ANY way)

    • @stuporman
      @stuporman Před 2 lety

      @@tbrowniscool a donk with an electric supercar engine

  • @benbai5808
    @benbai5808 Před 11 měsíci

    you’re the goat steve not one channel I’ve enjoyed watching more over these years

  • @pelnarius2446
    @pelnarius2446 Před rokem +5

    I miss pre-Dell Alienware. I had one of their laptops, it was incredible.

  • @billymcbilly489
    @billymcbilly489 Před 2 lety +655

    The only thing impressive about Alienware is how long they have stayed in business.

    • @imwithyou38
      @imwithyou38 Před 2 lety +59

      only reaosn they can stay alive is because dell

    • @prizrak-br3332
      @prizrak-br3332 Před 2 lety +21

      No shit most people don't know any better and think Dell is a great brand...

    • @joshxwho
      @joshxwho Před 2 lety +7

      @@prizrak-br3332 XPS13s are pretty good for work purposes

    • @imwithyou38
      @imwithyou38 Před 2 lety +31

      @@prizrak-br3332 dell makes some good products just not when it comes to gaming. they make good lap tops, good monitors

    • @Seatux
      @Seatux Před 2 lety +12

      @@imwithyou38 Laptop is debatable even. Even Acer can beat Dell many times.

  • @alldreamsfalldown
    @alldreamsfalldown Před 2 lety +209

    Alienware's approach to problem solving: Making three lefts to turn right.

    • @Lodinn
      @Lodinn Před 2 lety +2

      Well at least it fits the name...

    • @BuzzKiller23
      @BuzzKiller23 Před 2 lety +1

      More like 31 left turns to make a right

    • @Gaetano.94
      @Gaetano.94 Před 2 lety

      I have the X17 R2 laptop and it's really really good, but this is scary

    • @falkez1514
      @falkez1514 Před 2 lety +2

      More like 63 lefts to make a right

  • @reybalesgamingmusic7749
    @reybalesgamingmusic7749 Před rokem +11

    Watching this dude physically struggle to find the words to describe this experience was both enjoyable and hilarious 😆

    • @cgnizant311
      @cgnizant311 Před měsícem

      its not the pc its him lmao hes smirking at that beauty the whole time. trust me he didnt mean 85% of what he said. everyone got the same biased opinion but never had the equipment to talk.

  • @donwanna3906
    @donwanna3906 Před rokem

    You had me rollin’ with this tear down.

  • @ObesetoBeast
    @ObesetoBeast Před 2 lety +350

    This video should be titled “Steve slowly losing his sanity for 27 minutes”

    • @kurtthealien585
      @kurtthealien585 Před 2 lety +2

      what you mean ? 20:45 🤣🤣

    • @arnox4554
      @arnox4554 Před 2 lety +1

      You haven't seen anyone fall into insanity yet until you've seen UberDanger's review of Diddy Kong Racing.

    • @steelfalconx2000
      @steelfalconx2000 Před 2 lety +2

      Hey!! It's you John!! Love your stuff dude! I miss the livestreams!

    • @Yan.H
      @Yan.H Před 2 lety +1

      "nope that's not a handle"

  • @cuttlefish8184
    @cuttlefish8184 Před 2 lety +90

    Companies that build computers like this are definitely the reason why a majority of people believe building computers is so complicated.

    • @pandemicneetbux2110
      @pandemicneetbux2110 Před 2 lety

      People think that because a) they're fucking morons, objectively speaking, and b) companies are ran by complete fucking morons who pay actually competent people to try to engineer around the unbelievable stupidity, cheapness, greediness, and overall sleaze demanded of them by the uppers, complete with said uppers locking everything down.
      Tech is literally why I stopped believing in Capitalism. Tech and vidya especially the 2019-2022 period showed me it's flat out as terrible, incompetent, and inefficient as the fucking Soviet Union, where a handful of companies like Dell-Packard, Apple-vidia, etc. are going to own literally everything and Jensen will charge people a "low bargain price" of $200 a month to stream games through some nVidiaTM ServerfarmTM.
      When I was a kid it wasn't fucking hard to learn about computers. If you could sneak or find an old one you could open it up, take a look around, actually do neat things in Windows 95.
      Today it's not programs, executables, applications, no it's all "apps" by these ugly skintight jean wearing hipster retards renting out broom closets in SIlicon Valley chasing the drago--I mean the dream, ran by moronic boomers who know nothing, saying all engineers need to turn everything including operating systems into locked down mobile horseshit including even desktop OS's (remember win8? yeah that was greaaaat).
      Like it's made by design to be something you can't tinker or poke around with, and hacker culture of the 90s died completely with pocket snitch aka touch computer/internet ready phone culture, also arising during the Twitter/FB era being pushed by basically the spooks who themselves were pushed by the same utterly moronic executive tiers in politics who wanted something to replace CARNIVORE/ECHELON with a full on blanket surveillance system that's opt-in. This was in turn demanded of the few intelligent people like engineers (or intelligence assets) by the same moronic boomers who wanted to engineer around a problem that's the direct result of their policy failures, like say terrorist attacks by the very same people said exec board/boomers just told us all to train and fund, so now we need to overengineer blanket surveillance like an Information Awareness Office.
      This is because the executive board is every single bit as corrupt, senile, and geriatric as the late 1980s Politburo and this is true throughout all sectors of our society. Dell is merely one small symptomatic outrcropping of this by MBA major apparatchik partymen, in one small industry like tech. It's not complicated; it's easy af to learn and understand. It's deliberately made to be as locked down as possible to where you feel liek you need to fucking change microcode because they're locking shit down at the firmware level, and deliberately engineering things to be e-waste, fueled by the tears of Chinese slave children and the discarded souls of once noble engineers.

  • @ggamer7830
    @ggamer7830 Před rokem +3

    When I was a kid I was desperate for an Alienware rig. Desperate. 😂

  • @Ladco77
    @Ladco77 Před rokem +14

    This reminds me of the proprietary designs of everything when I worked on an IBM PC assembly line. One odd-ball one was the PC 300PL that was their attempt at a toolless mount for the motherboard. It slid into a slot in the case and seated into a riser card mounted to the case and secured with a locking lever. Only it never stayed securely seated.

    • @alext3811
      @alext3811 Před rokem +2

      Look how well it turned out for IBM.... The Think brand was sold to Lenovo, who seems to be teaming up with Dell to make the most disposable e-waste machines ever.

  • @ryanmalinowski7529
    @ryanmalinowski7529 Před 2 lety +331

    I give props to whomever designed that 30 year old chassis and the person who marketed it to Dell and HP. That was money in the bank for them

    • @liquid32ra
      @liquid32ra Před 2 lety +5

      Probably just got shafted like the dude that made DOS.

  • @Xwartu
    @Xwartu Před 2 lety +212

    Do you think Dell watches these and goes: “Man what a fool, he doesn’t realize we could be doing even worse if we actually tried!”

    • @darioinfini
      @darioinfini Před 2 lety +13

      I'm thinking they're going more like: "He just doesn't understand the incredible forethought and overall genius we put into this design"

    • @nickllama5296
      @nickllama5296 Před 2 lety +5

      I think Dell's builders are so freaking clueless they sit there going "Steve? He's got videos on... wha... CZcams? What is that?

    • @Safetytrousers
      @Safetytrousers Před 2 lety +4

      @@nickllama5296 As the video explains the builders are employing great skill to tackle the issues of an ancient chassis, but to no good effect. Someone in charge is takethemoneyandrun.

    • @sunny-sq6ci
      @sunny-sq6ci Před 2 lety

      that'd be way too much work for Dell.

    • @yalolol
      @yalolol Před 2 lety +1

      @@Safetytrousers 100% this. the usage of basically a 90s mid tower chassis being built out to a full size tower is a clear indicator of this.

  • @ClappOnUpp
    @ClappOnUpp Před 11 měsíci +1

    Props to gamers nexus for forking out the cash for an honest review and by the look of that view count it paid in dividends!🙏🙏

  • @quotentroll1919
    @quotentroll1919 Před rokem

    Since i build my own Pc and watched a lot of Gamers Nexus Videos they come in Autoplay, i dont regret!! Nice channel, nice content, nice Dude

    • @cgnizant311
      @cgnizant311 Před měsícem

      except he was wrong and misinformed about pretty much everything

    • @cgnizant311
      @cgnizant311 Před měsícem

      the r15 is maxed out at $4,704, the r16 maxed at $6,036 the r14 doesnt even peak 3k no more but just pricing alone he was off. dont even make me go into everything else. i could wright a book on this guy

  • @robwhitmore3040
    @robwhitmore3040 Před 2 lety +312

    Oh that gap at the front isn't for airflow. That's likely just a build tolerance issue

    • @bepsibeverage4231
      @bepsibeverage4231 Před 2 lety

      😂 their manufacturing is dogsh*t

    • @Kingsman4101
      @Kingsman4101 Před 2 lety +6

      I thought it was a crush zone so when you drop that awful case it absorbs the shock

    • @LRM12o8
      @LRM12o8 Před 2 lety +3

      Tesla gap! XD

  •  Před 2 lety +666

    The CEOs kid designed the case and picked the components, and then a team of 50 engineers were put work trying to make it not burst into flames by installing ducting and high speed fans.

    • @AphexSchwinn
      @AphexSchwinn Před rokem +29

      It looks like it was designed to be nothing but a huge thermal path, but then someone covered up the intake...

    • @deadwaste1
      @deadwaste1 Před rokem +11

      It's homers car

    • @guitaripod
      @guitaripod Před rokem +1

      Are you serious?

    • @elusivelectron
      @elusivelectron Před rokem +2

      Glad the talented employees left Alienware to start Origin PC.

  • @tomwatson5884
    @tomwatson5884 Před rokem +4

    I bought an Alienware m17x in 2012 when I was in school for visual effects. The computer never ran consecutive for 30 days. It was constantly needing repaired. 3k for what amounts to a paperweight. They can’t cool themselves properly and they mark up everything insanely high

  • @HemantShori
    @HemantShori Před rokem

    Wow. That is the best review i have ever seen 🔥🔥

  • @markharrisllb
    @markharrisllb Před 2 lety +347

    I’m not a gamer so I’ve avoided this channel thinking it wasn’t for me. However, I really enjoy watching people who stick up for the little guy. I have to applaud the degree and detail in which this channel does that. Well done.

    • @wescon3745
      @wescon3745 Před 2 lety +32

      They should almost be called hardware nexus haha.

    • @MafiaboysWorld
      @MafiaboysWorld Před 2 lety +12

      You'll end up finding this place to become your go-to channel for all things hardware related, followed closely by Hardware Unboxed. 👍 If Steve (GN) and Steve (HUB) haven't already given approval, I don't wanna know, and DON'T listen to that shill Linus. 😎

    • @starskiiguy1489
      @starskiiguy1489 Před 2 lety +7

      @@MafiaboysWorld I watch GamersNexus for facts and performance. I watch LTT for entertainment. I also watch Jay. They are all good.

    • @poitiers2853
      @poitiers2853 Před 2 lety +2

      @@MafiaboysWorld Exactly. And worse yet, Linus injects politics into his videos when he finds it convenient. Good way to alienate (no pun) viewers.

    • @cwmorley
      @cwmorley Před 2 lety +5

      @@poitiers2853 yeah I don't think Linus cares, considering his channel's size.

  • @zecrid446
    @zecrid446 Před 2 lety +256

    Dell feels like the General Motors of the PC world. They have some genuinely fantastic engineers that can build around a problem, but are choked back by weird or just inane bean counter cost cutting decisions.

    • @yeeeooo7955
      @yeeeooo7955 Před 2 lety

      the cost cutting is probably a result of the over engineering stupid little shit...personally id rather have top tier ram and an actual cooling solution worthy of a 3090 and 12th gen cpu rather than a fancy little clip for a $5000 computer

    • @KingZeus96
      @KingZeus96 Před 2 lety +30

      Can confirm. I work for Dell. Love my position there. But sometimes these decisions are asinine. I've told my boss that for enterprise they are great but I wouldn't recommend them for home use with a 10 ft pole

    • @MrLince-hr4of
      @MrLince-hr4of Před 2 lety +8

      but the cheap version of General Motors 🤣

    • @pkt1213
      @pkt1213 Před 2 lety +7

      It's like it was trying to be a toolless workstation or server chassis...but didn't quite make it.

    • @arthurmoore9488
      @arthurmoore9488 Před 2 lety +4

      ​@@KingZeus96 As someone who uses some of Dells low end enterprise products, I do like them. Unfortunately, even there things like weird Amphenol SAS connectors mean Dell is going their own way. Plus having to mod a SAS card's PCI ID or the server won't even boot with it in the internal slot is just asinine.
      The products are good, but Enterprise users are aware of these caveats and purchase appropriately.

  • @maximaniac7231
    @maximaniac7231 Před rokem +4

    What amazes me the most is just how similar some of those parts inside resembled the ones from my 1998 era Dell PC. I swear that back fan grille is the exact same design. It makes me wonder if it actually IS the same basic case just with a fancy plastic shell.

    • @Fruggggg
      @Fruggggg Před rokem +2

      thats the neat part, youre correct. Its just a "barely office grade" chassis with "gamery" plastic housing around it

  • @frankfurt9679
    @frankfurt9679 Před rokem

    love the mod-mat, might get one of those :)

  • @BMXaster
    @BMXaster Před 2 lety +266

    Literally the only thing you can reasonably reuse of this whole computer is the CPU, GPU and maybe the fans and HDD/SSD, tho the two latter are probably really bad. The AiO has way too short tubes, the PSU way too short cables, the case is proprietaty BS, the MB is proprietary BS.
    This is insane. I am a mechanical engineer myself and completly agree with Steve, the engineering is good. Just applied completly wrong. It's way to expensiv and solves no problems, for this application. This is outstandingly bad, omg

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před 2 lety +91

      Completely agreed here. Not even the RAM is any good!

    • @ZE0XE0
      @ZE0XE0 Před 2 lety +3

      @@GamersNexus they managed to make the RAM proprietary? Or is it just so bad that it belongs in the e waste shredder?

    • @cyberdusttv
      @cyberdusttv Před 2 lety +38

      @@ZE0XE0 the RAM is just shit for 5 grand

    • @nimoy007
      @nimoy007 Před 2 lety +5

      That's the thing though. You can't halfway engineer something well. You have to look at the whole picture, and if it's bad, so is the engineering.

    • @keonxd8918
      @keonxd8918 Před 2 lety +4

      Imagine getting an engineering degree and getting a job at Dell, only to spend your time over engineering something unnecessary.
      Plus it's not easy getting an engineering degree

  • @ramiharami8203
    @ramiharami8203 Před 2 lety +139

    When you think Steve has reached his peak and there is no way he can roast big tech more then he already have done so... then he brings out the falienware code

  • @weegee05
    @weegee05 Před rokem +3

    I actually bought an Alienware R10, 3080 edition, I’ve had zero issues with it, and I love it

  • @madProgenitorDeity
    @madProgenitorDeity Před rokem

    The $5,000 video! XD
    Man that thing is huge! But I cannot believe how under-featured the back panel is in comparison to its predecessor.

  • @bobboukie
    @bobboukie Před 2 lety +258

    This case is bordering on the Rube Goldberg-level of design. Can't wait for the R-rating of thermals to show how badly the heat is kept trapped within!

    • @HarryBallsOnYa345
      @HarryBallsOnYa345 Před 2 lety +5

      Just waiting for them to add some sort of 'Ball Bearing Slide' where i have to rotate my case in different directions in order to take out my Hard Drive.

    • @tseikkisnelkytkaks9013
      @tseikkisnelkytkaks9013 Před 2 lety +1

      Badly. Built a lot of relatively powerful computers into small cases and I would bet a lot of money on the GPU basically frying itself pretty soon, you simply can't cram 3090 wattage with two fans into that space and expect the heat to really go anywhere. It's mind-blowing that this is actually designed at all, you get similar thermal results just not giving af and cramming the components into a small case. Pay half the price for components, have the neighbor's kid do it, and you get the same thing. Except if the neighbor's kid knows anything about computers, then you're going to get way better results :D

    • @goopah
      @goopah Před 2 lety

      Rube Goldberg is a perfect analogy. He would have been envious. And probably would have purchased one of these simply for the joy of taking it apart to see how it all fit together. I'm currently running a 6-year--old Alienware Aurora R5 that, while also over-engineered a bit, is nothing like this new one, and it's been absolutely solid and stable all these years with zero issues. And so now that I'm looking to replace my R5 with a new one, I naturally was thinking of just getting another Aurora. Glad I watched this video before I did so. I guess I'll have to keep watching this channel until Steve finds something he likes.

    • @Prophes0r
      @Prophes0r Před 2 lety

      You figure that some marketing douche would have come up with some garbage about a "thermal stealth system" by now.
      You know. Like how some Sci-Fi ships use a system that keeps all the heat inside for a while to reduce their thermal signature.
      This must be kind-of like that.
      The Sci-Fi systems have to turn off after [TIME] to let the heat out, or they will kill the crew.
      This system needs to turn off before the built-up heat melts the solder joints.

    • @mr.puddintater1805
      @mr.puddintater1805 Před 2 lety

      You don't understand the design at all. Your suppose to use the gpu card to cook your Hot Pockets.

  • @ForestSpirit22
    @ForestSpirit22 Před 2 lety +63

    "Can you hear the Ronald McDonald in the motherboard?"
    Steve slowly losing his mind at Dell's bullshit, lol.

    • @aaz1992
      @aaz1992 Před 2 lety +2

      Flexing the motherboard gave me unsettling anxiety

    • @kingofgar101
      @kingofgar101 Před 2 lety

      @@aaz1992 why breaking it would be a service to humanity

    • @First-Name_Last-Name
      @First-Name_Last-Name Před 2 lety

      "I buy Alienware PC to flex on others.
      The motherboard itself is literally the ultimate flex"
      ~Weird flex from a coping Alienware customer, 2022 AD~

  • @LSC2001
    @LSC2001 Před rokem +11

    I think you can get a similarly built PC to this for under $5000. I have a pretty much loaded up liquid cooled R12 with a RTX 3080, intel i9, etc for just over $3k Canadian on sale. That was 18 months ago. I did some cooling mods but still nobody was building a PC with those specs for that price with the Covid availability issues. This PC has been issue free so far and is only used for flight sim gaming.

    • @GuilhermeGuidugli
      @GuilhermeGuidugli Před rokem +1

      Any suggestion for flight sim equipment? I haven't flied in over a year so I turned to flight simulation and I've been looking for yokes and throttles for the best combination

    • @LSC2001
      @LSC2001 Před rokem

      @@GuilhermeGuidugli I’m really happy with my Honeycomb gear. Yolk, throttle quadrant and right now i have Logitech pedals. Not the most high end setup but definitely gives a decent feel.

    • @sixpath
      @sixpath Před rokem

      i have 13th gen i9, 3080 10gb, 32gb ddr5 6000mhz, z690, 5000d, etc cost me 2500. got it two weeks ago. i thought i did well.

    • @crylune
      @crylune Před 3 měsíci

      @@sixpathnice rig man

  • @johnbeck9573
    @johnbeck9573 Před rokem

    this video made me change my mind about getting one cheers man

  • @larrythehedgehog
    @larrythehedgehog Před 2 lety +338

    i remember always wanting an alienware as a kid so bad. it's so disappointing to see what dell has done to the alienware brand :(

    • @RJT80
      @RJT80 Před 2 lety +42

      By the time Alienware hit the scene I was already building my own. Before that I wanted a Falcon Northwest so bad. They were pretty much the only company that had cool-ish looking cases. They were still the off white cases of old but they were custom and looked cool.
      I cant believe AW put green sticks of ram in that for $5000. Awful.

    • @cheeseburgerbeefcake
      @cheeseburgerbeefcake Před 2 lety +10

      The first year or two of Alienware were some really nice case paint jobs and reasonable parts inside them, it is a real shame what Dell did to that.

    • @offchance789
      @offchance789 Před 2 lety +7

      The Alienware laptops from pre-2015 were overpriced, but they looked and felt premium, laptops were the only good part of Alienware. But Dell then and now has the worst quality control right up there with Newegg, and its annoying hard to figure out shit like not enough thermal paste.

    • @MrPruske
      @MrPruske Před 2 lety +1

      @@RJT80 I still think custom painting is pretty cool

    • @Duncan23
      @Duncan23 Před 2 lety +18

      they were overpricedd proprietry junk even before dell got into the picture, nostalgia is clouding your memory

  • @floored3078
    @floored3078 Před 2 lety +759

    I remember being a Kid and wanting Alienware all the time. I imagine their branding is mainly focused on spoiled rich kids and apparently Surfer dudes that enjoy tech. BUILD Forever.

    • @enriquecabrera2137
      @enriquecabrera2137 Před rokem +39

      They used to be good back in the day.
      I don't remember when but at some point it was worth the cost.

    • @eligreg99
      @eligreg99 Před rokem +7

      @@enriquecabrera2137 Yeah I’d say if you got them in the prime gaming days they were pretty worth it and weren’t a ton of money.

    • @ryanmccabe1036
      @ryanmccabe1036 Před rokem +56

      @@enriquecabrera2137 when DELL bought them, everything went down the shitter.

    • @CB-rv2lj
      @CB-rv2lj Před rokem +5

      @@enriquecabrera2137 I would guess 2011-2013 ish

    • @roofy3075
      @roofy3075 Před rokem +21

      When we were kids, they were a small shop in Florida that hand built bad ass computers. They sold to Dell sometime om 2006. Which was the downfall.

  • @DanielSmedegaardBuus
    @DanielSmedegaardBuus Před rokem

    Somehow, CZcams thought I had only begun to watch this video. But I enjoyed watching it again 😂

  • @SaradominOSRS
    @SaradominOSRS Před měsícem

    ur vids are the best dude. especially when I watch from a better built DIY build haha

  • @therandom1627
    @therandom1627 Před 2 lety +136

    I was so close to buying a 4k version of this computer because i was scared to build my own, i ended up building my own and im so glad. I truly did dodge a bullet, this is sad that motherboard is so sad to look at considering 5k went into it, im glad gamers nexus has the balls to call them out on their shit. Great video!

    • @wrath1902
      @wrath1902 Před 2 lety +9

      Even if you don't wanna build yourself, there at least few good companies that will build it for you with your selected parts!

    • @fluffyRabbit01
      @fluffyRabbit01 Před 2 lety +2

      @@wrath1902 and not to mention the entire cost would still come out to be less than Alienware's!

  • @Asdayasman
    @Asdayasman Před 2 lety +399

    Why would a company that (presumably) has very smart engineers working for it spend so much effort on making something good (ATX computers) into crap? Like, you have to actually try pretty hard to get it offensively wrong nowadays, and yet Dell still...

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před 2 lety +265

      That's the craziest part! Excellent question that Dell needs to ask itself. This is a LOT of engineering work to unnecessarily reinvent the wheel into a square.

    • @hardcorehardware361
      @hardcorehardware361 Před 2 lety +40

      @@GamersNexus Time for GN to rock up to Dell's headquarters and ask some questions:)

    • @nbtmx1
      @nbtmx1 Před 2 lety +4

      Well you have mechanical and electrical engineers might need to let the mechanical have a go at being electrical engineers surely couldn't be any worse

    • @plastifiedmetal5682
      @plastifiedmetal5682 Před 2 lety +2

      I was just wondering the same. Is it actually cheaper for them to manufacture and create from scratch these horrible components? It has to...

    • @hallerx
      @hallerx Před 2 lety +2

      Exactly. And just for a thought, you buy high end parts to perform worse than they could. They intentionally crippled down the performance by making this a toaster. Just sad and unbelievable what damage to prebuild industry this does.

  • @HikingFeral
    @HikingFeral Před 9 měsíci

    I've had a lot of issues with the PC I built and it made me realise why people buy pre builts, they don't want to spend hours, days and weeks troubleshooting issues and learning to build and maintain a machine. It took me over a week to realise my CPU's PCIE controller was dead as the top lane PCIEx16 in mobo didn't work, i bought a new mobo and it still didn't work. The last thing I expected to have died was a 1 year old Ryzen 5 5600x

  • @jakethebarber1
    @jakethebarber1 Před rokem

    breh..i luv my aurora R7..still blasting almost 5years old..8700k+liquid cooled and a 1080ti. It was $2200 in 2018. Just redid the thermal paste and deep cleaned the liquid cooler radiator last week

  • @Real_MisterSir
    @Real_MisterSir Před 2 lety +113

    Dell Alienware: "Engineering solutions to engineered problems"

    • @alphaplayzz1381
      @alphaplayzz1381 Před 2 lety +6

      "engineering problems for already engineered solutions"

    • @rednammoc
      @rednammoc Před 2 lety +1

      That's giving them a little too much credit. More like: "self-made solutions for self-made problems".

    • @ariesleo7396
      @ariesleo7396 Před 2 lety

      Worse than Apple this point

  • @darkroast9907
    @darkroast9907 Před 2 lety +259

    I don't know why Alienware is so hell-bent on taking good hardware and cramming it into a plastic and metal autoclave posing as a PC tower.

    • @cael_1303
      @cael_1303 Před 2 lety +16

      Most likely to make it impossible to go anywhere else to get it fixed. I don't think I've ever seen a motherboard with that shape before. They are counting on those that don't know a lot about computers that just need something to work to likely buy them. This seems like it was purposely made to fail.

    • @Sm-rd4wq
      @Sm-rd4wq Před 2 lety

      @@cael_1303 in their defence the warranty is rock solid. Dell usually comes in clutch and will even replace your laptop with a newer brand if something fails. Still a crap desktop tho

    • @adamtaylor4308
      @adamtaylor4308 Před 2 lety +18

      @@Sm-rd4wq for the sole fact, as Linus proved, you get conned into an extended warranty even if you wanted it or not.

    • @Nordicblunder
      @Nordicblunder Před 2 lety +1

      ItLoOkScOoL

    • @user-yg4kj2mf1p
      @user-yg4kj2mf1p Před 2 lety

      Style over function. The kind of person who buys this computer wants a computer with high-TDP desktop parts but which is as compact as possible. Hence the need for the complex air-flow design. You know the old car salesman mantra "there is a butt for every seat", right? Well, there is a user for every computer, I guess. Someone out there is willing to pay thousands more for a slightly more compact and more stylish tower. As long as it's not the only choice out there (which is the situation Apple users were subjected to with the cylindrical Mac Pro), I am OK with it. Because that's the power of the PC ecosystem: diversity.

  • @AnthonyMcqueen1987
    @AnthonyMcqueen1987 Před rokem

    Thank you for your expert analysis I was about to go make the mistake of going with flash and no substance with Alienware.

  • @BookofJob3XVII
    @BookofJob3XVII Před rokem +1

    I would love to see GN do a teardown reviews on those new 4090 laptops.

  • @redrock425
    @redrock425 Před 2 lety +166

    A companion piece with a build showing " this is what you could have bought" would be nice.

    • @Bayofthe91st
      @Bayofthe91st Před 2 lety +2

      A great content while GPU is starting to be affordable as well

    • @mjc0961
      @mjc0961 Před 2 lety

      You can "upgrade" to the 3090 Ti, get it for its MSRP of $2000, and still have $3000 left to build something way better than this POS. Probably have money left over in the end. What a friggin joke.

    • @Joghurtder
      @Joghurtder Před 2 lety +1

      Probably a high End Pc with custom watercooling if selfbuilt

    • @shane250
      @shane250 Před 2 lety +3

      Yep. A 12900K, 3090ti and a custom loop.

    • @kenos911
      @kenos911 Před 2 lety +1

      Where I live, it’s still a better option lol
      Bless the 3k cad 3090s

  • @cgrant26
    @cgrant26 Před rokem +435

    I remember waaaaay back when Alienware was being advertised in 3DMark 2003 and thinking, "hmm, I wonder how their systems stack up against DIY builds?" I worked as a bench tech back then and the first time one finally came across my bench I had my answer. They've only gotten worse since then. GN had a great line about Alienware in another video; "Dell is designing to appeal to what grandparents think their grandkids want"

    • @goldenhate6649
      @goldenhate6649 Před rokem +26

      Lets not even mention the fact that the prices are a rip off. Even mainline dell is made for dumb parents who don't know other companies are cheaper. My campus sold exclusively dell that was bumped up almost 40% over HP and Asus products down the road at best buy. Not saying best buys better, but its better than Dells garbage.

    • @1Darkhold
      @1Darkhold Před rokem +13

      yeah I remember when I first saw one of their systems advertised. I thought hmm that expensive but maybe it's worth it. A couple of minutes of looking at the specs and checking against component prices and I was shocked at just how much of a rip off it was.

    • @ABAYBAZ
      @ABAYBAZ Před rokem +2

      Because Grandparents have money to spend. They don’t care what you want from your computer, they just want money

    • @AnEagle
      @AnEagle Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@goldenhate6649depends, professionally, the dell support contracts are great, it really is just that dell can't be bothered to deal with consumers

    • @LionWithTheLamb
      @LionWithTheLamb Před 5 měsíci

      That Alienware sold to Dell who retains the names as basically glorified XPS boxes.

  • @chienforcer
    @chienforcer Před rokem

    To get my RTX 3080 I ordered an Alienware Aurora R11 on December 3rd 2020, and received it on December 24th. It was an ok machine, had decent benchmarks and I still use it (sort of) today. In November of 2021 I bought a new case and motherboard and removed the CPU and GPU from the R11 and put it in my new case with a new watercooler and it had better temps (not that I had issues with my R11 temps after I added a couple of extra case fans in the Aurora case when I was using it). This past May I bought a z590 motherboard and an i7-1100kf cpu and some pc 3600 ram and put the i7-10700 back in the Alienware system along with the pc3200 ram I had bought to put in it when I first got the R11. The R11 is now an upgrade to my in-house "server" box I have that is my movie, file, and game server box for the house (upgraded an optiplex 7010, i7-3770 system). After I applied some thermal paste between the metal to metal contact by the heat pipes and cooling fins, my t-junction temps went from 88-95c to a stable 65-78c range while undervolted and OC'd to 2080mhz and currently +10 on the memory in MSI (I am getting decent FPS and I didn't want to risk damage or reducing the lifespan of my card by pushing it too far). I was fortunate enough to get a great card out of my R11 purchase and had a decent gaming machine for a year before upgrading the main components. I know others have had some tragic issues with their Dell MSI RTX 3080s they purchased around that time period in their Alienware systems, and I do consider myself fortunate.

  • @videosuperhighway7655

    I ordered a Nuc 13 extreme i7 and the whole case is steel, attention to cooling design etc. nice machine that alienware case is gaudy and plastic cheap. That modmat is cool definitely need to order.

  • @dragonrider4253
    @dragonrider4253 Před 2 lety +174

    This is a disservice to aliens. I don't think even aliens would build a computer THIS bad.

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred Před 2 lety +2

      Think different!

    • @Chkoupinator
      @Chkoupinator Před 2 lety +7

      aliens should probably consider suing dell

    • @guestimator121
      @guestimator121 Před 2 lety +9

      @@Chkoupinator "Nah, we're just gonna blow up your planet for this." - Aliens, probably.

    • @schentler
      @schentler Před 2 lety +3

      justifiable

    • @forbiddenera
      @forbiddenera Před 2 lety

      Ever played destroy all humans? Watch invader zim? Mars attacks? Aliens don't have to be smrt! 👽

  • @kaiseralbrecht6099
    @kaiseralbrecht6099 Před 2 lety +199

    I had a pit in my stomach watching this knowing that there are actual suckers out there who ignorantly bought this POS. This feels like an absolute scam of a prebuilt and more people need to be more informed so that no one will buy this and Dell will quit this asinine charade.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před 2 lety +74

      It's such a shame that this is actually a preconfigured build on their website, recommended high up for anyone with money to get duped into.

    • @kaiseralbrecht6099
      @kaiseralbrecht6099 Před 2 lety +14

      @@GamersNexus shame is an understatement. I can tell you guys were frustrated about this and I would be absolutely livid. Though this vid gives me strong emotions, I cant wait for part 2! Thank you for exposing the horrors of buying from System Integrators, I use your vids to help people better understand and get a better value for their money.

    • @zachm7916
      @zachm7916 Před 2 lety +7

      The blame is 100% on Dell and on us as a society to let them continue as a business. We let them get away with things that should be crimes like their manufacturing of e-waste or ACTUAL crimes like their warranty scams.

    • @ZE0XE0
      @ZE0XE0 Před 2 lety +3

      doesnt surprise me that they sucker people into this garbage. My local radio station has an advert running for dell saying to call dell so dell can help them pick out the perfect pc just for them. Im absolutely sure junk like this is going to be sold to the old lady down the street who called trusting that dell would be honest and help them.

    • @CHAOSMOVEMENT
      @CHAOSMOVEMENT Před 2 lety +8

      I keep trying to talk my brother out of buying one, hes dead set on it and won't be reasoned with. Even knowing my 30 years of experience in IT

  • @blackironseamus1017
    @blackironseamus1017 Před rokem +2

    I just got a similar PC from ibuypower not sponsered and like damn the case is absolutely massive and it has 6 fans including the radiator... funny thing is it was only around 1500-1600 dollars

  • @yottabit
    @yottabit Před rokem

    I really got a sick satisfaction out of watching this thanks 😂

  • @Pogaspm
    @Pogaspm Před 2 lety +105

    It's incredible that they spend a lot more effort to make a bad case "work" than they would to create a new case. Just mind boggling.

    • @duke605
      @duke605 Před 2 lety +4

      Sunk cost fallacy. Management was probably like "we want to sell this or old stock" and got the engineers to work the problem and ended up costing a lot but "works already done, let's not spend more even though it would result in a cheap but more quality product"

    • @cybisz2883
      @cybisz2883 Před 2 lety +1

      @@duke605 It must be hell working as an engineer for Dell, having to devote so much time & effort & money to making a bad solution almost (but not quite) work, all because your bosses are stupid and insist on that over a better solution that's cheaper.

    • @tghidsgn
      @tghidsgn Před 2 lety +2

      This build is probably 0.1% of their sales, but they're able to offer it _because_ it's the same form factor as all their other machines. Having it actually perform well, which would benefit the customer, is a distant second to cutting costs which benefits the shareholders.

    • @Pogaspm
      @Pogaspm Před 2 lety

      @@cybisz2883 I'd be happy if Dell was the only company where that happened.

  • @Zosu22
    @Zosu22 Před 2 lety +121

    Damn they’re innovating prebuilt disappointment PCs.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před 2 lety +48

      hahaha, we'll be out of a job!

    • @ZE0XE0
      @ZE0XE0 Před 2 lety +15

      @@GamersNexus my local radio station keeps playing advertisements for Dell's call center that's supposed to help customers pick out a PC. I think its that same call center that rips off its customers by adding items to the bill that the customer specifically said they did not want.

    • @sherlockmaverick
      @sherlockmaverick Před 2 lety +1

      Exactly this. They wanted to bring the competition to GN's home turf.

  • @fpscanada3862
    @fpscanada3862 Před 3 měsíci

    DUDE! My pops had one of those lanboy cases! Our neighbour gave him his old PC which wasnt even old at the time and thats what we had until i built my first PC in like 2016

  • @wgvwgv579
    @wgvwgv579 Před rokem

    Love the video, will buy this pc asap

  • @KaeYoss
    @KaeYoss Před 2 lety +67

    I think most of the 5000 dollars goes to the intergalactic shipping costs they pay when importing their branded components from Homeworld.

    • @InfiniteDarkMass
      @InfiniteDarkMass Před 2 lety +4

      Doing their best to catch up with our advanced technology, but it's outdated before it even arrives. 😅

  • @sherlockmaverick
    @sherlockmaverick Před 2 lety +257

    That's too much money to waste on a Dell Alienware.

    • @schizoid9847
      @schizoid9847 Před 2 lety +3

      Holy sh!t that's no lie. Here where I am that's more than fifty grand (exchange rate)

    • @nimoy007
      @nimoy007 Před 2 lety +5

      $1 is too much, to be fair

    • @potatoes5829
      @potatoes5829 Před 2 lety +4

      Too much for most PCs in general

    • @Raffeldy
      @Raffeldy Před 2 lety +3

      Really? No one takes the opportunity to say "No shit, Sherlock!"? No one?! xD

    • @kenos911
      @kenos911 Před 2 lety

      @@potatoes5829 unless you need it for very heavy workloads, no

  • @ahd1095
    @ahd1095 Před rokem

    How quick did that go up in flames! Omg when you opened that....

  • @fairycat
    @fairycat Před rokem

    Thanks for review.

  • @scruffiestofnerfherders7397

    Steve just did all the marketing for them. Dell: Amazing Engineering for unnecessary problems. Dell: Innovative, but for not any good reason.

  • @rosco3
    @rosco3 Před 2 lety +55

    My main issue with this case is it's not even compact. It has every drawback of a custom compact case with no upside.

  • @mr.topbottom1448
    @mr.topbottom1448 Před rokem

    Loving how I got a Dell ad in the middle of this

  • @vileele
    @vileele Před 11 měsíci

    My first computer was a dell xps 400 and it had that same kind of design inside with all the fancy engineered ways of avoiding screws.

  • @meusana3681
    @meusana3681 Před 2 lety +404

    This pc looks like it was styled in 2001 for 2022, and ironically in 2022 it looks like it came from 2001...A space odessy.

  • @orcwordlaugh1360
    @orcwordlaugh1360 Před 2 lety +44

    17:15 I love that cut. "There's so many ways to do that, that don't involve all this! I'd be impressed if." Cut to him mumbling about how terrible it must be to build in.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před 2 lety +16

      hahaha, some of the editing team's brilliance!

  • @stamenmarinkov3325
    @stamenmarinkov3325 Před rokem +9

    Hey Nexus, the R15 is up, please make a review on this one too...From a first look their supposed improvements are crappy Dell's style modifications. They just wont admit that the only way to fix this is to come up with a new chasis...and new motherboard....and new cooling....aaand if you ask me a new design line as these rounded forms seem really retro now. Rergards

    • @jamesbernard3255
      @jamesbernard3255 Před rokem +1

      They need to stop using proprietary items in their PCs or stop "building" gaming PCs all together. It's the same chassis as the one in this video with the 80mm fan layout but an overengineered 120mm AIO slapped on top of it. I feel bad for people that go to Dell and buy this crap and not knowing any better.

    • @isg_jsy
      @isg_jsy Před rokem

      What pc pre builds would you recommend out if interest? Thanks

    • @discipleofdagon8195
      @discipleofdagon8195 Před rokem

      @enrique amaya take your meds, Enrique

    • @discipleofdagon8195
      @discipleofdagon8195 Před rokem +1

      @@isg_jsy I'd recommend not going pre-built at all, buying the parts individually is not only better value and encourages smart consumerism when purchasing components but is extremely rewarding considering how easy it is to actually build a pc these days with the amount of tutorials out there. I'd recommend PC part picker since they also offer pre-built options as well iirc.

    • @isg_jsy
      @isg_jsy Před rokem

      @@discipleofdagon8195 thanks for your recommendations it's much appreciated I'm a pc noob just getting into it and it's so interesting really enjoying learning. Found a company (I'm UK based) called PC specialists and built one on their website with the help from someone much smarter than I am, twice the spec and still cheaper than a pre build. Again thanks 👍

  • @jonathantweedy2645
    @jonathantweedy2645 Před rokem

    thanks gamers for the gamer info

  • @junko4166
    @junko4166 Před 2 lety +109

    By "redesign" they mean a slightly different hunk of plastic on top of the same 2008 chassis.
    How many trees had to die for this disaster to happen?

    • @Anugrah_Amriza
      @Anugrah_Amriza Před 2 lety +1

      How many Indians that Dell Hire to make this? Probably 15 of them

    • @potatoes5829
      @potatoes5829 Před 2 lety +19

      It probably single-handedly doubled gas prices with that amount of plastic

    • @WayStedYou
      @WayStedYou Před 2 lety +9

      It's more like a 2000 chassis now

    • @timserious7678
      @timserious7678 Před 2 lety +11

      It's not even just plastics , it's unnecessary mechanical parts used and proprietary parts used that cannot be reused and very hard to repair
      And these companies will be first one to complain about pollution on twitter

  • @iggienator
    @iggienator Před 2 lety +453

    In Germany, we call this „Arbeitsbeschaffungsmaßnahme“ which means doing something that generates a lot of work, no matter the usefulness

    • @aberinox
      @aberinox Před 2 lety +68

      you have a word for anything, don't you?

    • @jurijavsenak
      @jurijavsenak Před 2 lety +23

      @@aberinox And the veryawesomelongonestoo. 😉

    • @jurijavsenak
      @jurijavsenak Před 2 lety +12

      @Susanna Yes, that is why I put the english ones together...

    • @marvin8291
      @marvin8291 Před 2 lety +4

      Haha der war gut

    • @higgsbonbon
      @higgsbonbon Před 2 lety

      modern bureaucracy.

  • @Geneticspore
    @Geneticspore Před rokem

    I had an Alienware several years ago. Back when they still did the M18x laptop series with SLI. I wanted it simply b/c of the case. Lemme tell ya what, I was quite surprised that not only did I order a gaming PC, but a portable oven as well. I ended up ditching the entire system about a year n a half later, then did my own creation. Nice to see Dell is right back to where they once were.

  • @naderz4064
    @naderz4064 Před rokem

    Ty for these reviews, they make me laugh and give me piece of mind lol on why I like to build my own lol I might not be the best at picking parts but I at least pick stuff I like the looks and reviews of lulz

  • @ChristopherBushman
    @ChristopherBushman Před 2 lety +59

    This feels like "Spend a dollar to save a penny" in terms of trying to avoid designing and implementing a new chassis. At least this makes the system seem oddly nostalgic

    • @arthurmoore9488
      @arthurmoore9488 Před 2 lety

      So many large companies do this. I've sat in on hour+ long meetings on how to get reimbursed for a $20 part. No one on that call makes less than $20/hr!

    • @nemtudom5074
      @nemtudom5074 Před 2 lety

      Honestly, its more like spend 99 cents to save a dollar.
      To them, its literally a cost comparison, and this seems to have won, by seemingly a small margin.

  • @seeibe
    @seeibe Před 2 lety +39

    You don't get it, Steve. Working at the Alienware assembly line is actually part of a special training programme for astronauts. It's an excellent arrangement. NASA gets highly qualified engineers who can work with one of a kind, decades old hardware, and Dell doesn't have to retool their chassis. Everybody wins.

  • @Jhelm
    @Jhelm Před rokem +3

    I bought an R10 with a 3080 about a year ago. It was $1800, when a 3080 was reaching $3k by itself. Anyways, It plays all the games i play on the best settings and runs all my 3d modeling software and renders like a charm. Only upgrade i did was add name brand ram. I don’t have sneaky subscription fees or many bloatware.

    • @matthewwalker9266
      @matthewwalker9266 Před rokem +1

      A 3080 was never 3k. I can't believe you have 3 likes.

    • @Jhelm
      @Jhelm Před rokem

      @@matthewwalker9266 there was no 3080 in stock. Ebay was the only way to get one, and yes people where asking 3k.

  • @davidrenton
    @davidrenton Před 5 měsíci

    just been going through old dead PC's i have, still have a Dell XPS 700 from around 2007. Have'nt moved it in years, just did and it weighs a ton,the CPU Heatsink probaly weighs as much as my current PC.
    been using it to support other PC's, it so hefty.
    Dell overengineering with plastic , springs and dodads seems to have been a thing 15 years ago as well

  • @JohnSmith-yx8kf
    @JohnSmith-yx8kf Před 2 lety +64

    The level of over-engineering is almost impressive. Just imagine if they'd put that money elsewhere.

    • @johnkillingsworth5135
      @johnkillingsworth5135 Před 2 lety +5

      Engineers: "we need a bigger case to put liquid cooling in and have better airflow"
      Bean counters: "you need to use the same case for all computers of this size so engineer around what we give you"
      Engineers: "we cant make it run cooler so lets make some cool brackets that make us seem like cool engineers"

    • @reinhardtwilhelm5415
      @reinhardtwilhelm5415 Před 2 lety +4

      There’s nothing more entertaining than putting together builds in PCPartPicker for the same price Dell sells their crippled trash for. Even with a 12900KF and 3090, I have to pimp my configuration out to a ridiculous extent to get it to $5600 CAD (the price the top Alienware sells for here). Maximus boards, PCIe 4.0 drives, the whole deal.

    • @2ftg
      @2ftg Před 2 lety

      At 5000usd it also needs to survive shipping. the weird GPU bracket and all the other GPU support start making much more sense in that light.
      As modern GPU's are so heavy that they can split the PCI-e socket in shipping and in general flex, get dislodged and then play pinball with the insides of the case. And break the tempered glass window while doing it.
      So it legit needs to survive shipping people throwing the box around and dropping it multiple times.

  • @MayaPosch
    @MayaPosch Před 2 lety +58

    Feels like 'competently overengineered into irrelevance' is a good summary of this system.
    At least it's clear where at least half of the price tag comes from. All that engineering time and custom brackets and widgets can't be cheap.

    • @randybobandy9828
      @randybobandy9828 Před 2 lety +8

      Not to mention all the tooling to make all those plastic parts.

    • @snoboreddotcom
      @snoboreddotcom Před 2 lety +5

      I feel like the look of the case even shows that. So overdone trying to look "cool", to the point of angling the damn thing. Meanwhile all it ends up looking like is the bastard child of a Dyson fan and a hand dryer

    • @MayaPosch
      @MayaPosch Před 2 lety +1

      @@snoboreddotcom Indeed, instead of taking away a few parts and trying a different solution, it feels like they just kept adding parts and bits and widgets and frilly bits until it was time to ship it.
      Even early 2000s 'gamer' cases had more self-respect than this.

    • @gagagaming4859
      @gagagaming4859 Před 2 lety

      @@snoboreddotcom LMAOOO😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @user-np3sb2lm9j
    @user-np3sb2lm9j Před rokem +3

    I wonder, why did they opt for an electrolytic capacitors for those two near the back IO. Is saving 1 usd really worth placing a component that can overheat and would surely leak in 10 years?

  • @T0NEchaser
    @T0NEchaser Před 5 měsíci

    I remember opening one of these and the plastic protector things you peel off, that are normally very satisfying to peel on anything else, was nothing but pain from constant static shock.

  • @zackmatey1793
    @zackmatey1793 Před 2 lety +139

    It's crazy just how expensive this is for Dell. If they just built a normal ATX computer it would be easier and cheaper for them, and perform much better. Instead they cling to an ancient design and build a bad product in the most expensive way possible

    • @Macto5
      @Macto5 Před 2 lety +24

      The only explanation i can think of is that Dell has warehouses full of old cases from the mid-2000s and for some reason they can't just throw them away. Maybe they went over their 5 year e-waste quota or pledged to use old inventory before stockpiling anything new? Or some out of touch executive thought they could save money by re-purposing obsolete crap and their customers wouldn't notice or care.

    • @minecraftzocker272
      @minecraftzocker272 Před 2 lety +18

      ​@@Macto5 The first explanation seems unlikely. Steel isnt scarce so a huge stockpile of cases would be stupid, especially because storage costs money. It's probably the latter, saving 5$ by using some ancient tooling while spending 100$ for all the extra engineering.

    • @dakoderii4221
      @dakoderii4221 Před 2 lety

      @@Macto5 Probably saying it's to stop global cooling, err global warming, err climate change. No need to stop polluting the rivers and oceans though, as those problems can be blamed on the average person instead of the corrupt corporations and the average idiot will say give the corporations more money and power to stop those "evil" average people from breathing and hurting the trees with their carbon dioxide. It's "sCiEnCe" after all! 🙃

    • @Silverhks
      @Silverhks Před 2 lety

      My initial thought was NOS as well but that doesn't make sense.
      The only thing I've come up with is them having signed a contract for x number of units with that tooling and no way to get out of it... But that doesn't really make sense either

    • @nobody-bt7mu
      @nobody-bt7mu Před 2 lety

      Maybe they're trying too hard to stand out. They achieved that though, in the worst possible way.

  • @cuzr702
    @cuzr702 Před 2 lety +93

    Imagine owning a computer repair store and someone brings this thing in.

    • @GinsuChikara
      @GinsuChikara Před 2 lety +3

      "You want me to fix....what? This can't be fixed"

    • @InvntdXNEWROMAN
      @InvntdXNEWROMAN Před 2 lety +17

      I wouldn't be surprised if a computer repair store had a sign that said no Alienware PCs 🤣

    • @prtech7706
      @prtech7706 Před 2 lety +2

      @@InvntdXNEWROMAN, better yet - No Dell or any other OEM "computers" containing proprietary components. I just "upgraded" an older Lenovo pre-built for a friend and e-wasted everything, but the cpu, ram and hdd.

    • @singlsrvngfrnd
      @singlsrvngfrnd Před 2 lety +14

      I own 3 locations in the midwest and every Alienware since the R3 looks identical to this one as far as the chassis go. They've been shit for decades at this point. When people try to sell or trade an Alienware They get pissed when I offer the going rate for the cpu, gpu, and ram for it. They are virtually unusable for parts and I refuse to sell trash in my stores.

    • @hooptiej
      @hooptiej Před 2 lety +2

      @@InvntdXNEWROMAN dont mind them at all, get to charge "apple tax" on the labor rate.
      anyone who spends $5k on that POS has no problem paying $600 for a power supply and install.

  • @amargasaurus5337
    @amargasaurus5337 Před rokem +2

    Fun fact, my Dell Inspiron laptop cooked too!
    I have no idea how it's managed to survive for 3 whole years, but it doesn't run as it used to anymore.