My Take on The Penske Cheating Scandal!
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- Kenny Wallace discusses the Indycar cheating scandal involving Roger Penske's teams.
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Remember that old saying, 'If you get caught it's cheating. If you don't get caught then it's engineering.'
Yeah that doesn't apply though when you own the very series your racing in.
That also doesn't apply when it's basically a nitro boost. This isn't a piece of engineering genius.
A local legend in our dirt scene said you’re being progressive not cheating lol
Home team is simply innovating. Plain and simple. 😉
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'Push To Pass' has been around for years
The bumper is what I call push to pass
Kenny acting like they were testing fast and the furious button talking about tv ratings. Its only on peacock. Who still watches tv?
They've used push to pass button during the races for several years but not at the start or for restarts. I think they got in trouble because they didn't disconnect the push to pass that was being tested to be used at the green flag. if that makes sense.
@@sharoncrady9444 No it doesn't make sense because you are missing the point. You don't understand Indycar rules. Drivers ARE NOT supposed to use P2P on restarts. In the pass that was totally up to the driver in the car. With Technology, Indycar can now control it. They turn it on and turn it off electronically to all the cars by telemetry. So on restarts Indycar shuts it off to all the cars. for one lap. However at Long Beach when Indycar shut it off there were only Three cars that still had it. the Penske cars. And of the Three drivers, 2 used it on restarts.. when drivers know they are not supposed to. So whether the software was there or not, why did 2 of the 3 drives use an option that is not supposed to be used. They know this, its in the rule books and talked about in drivers' meetings and P2P has been around for years.
Haven't you ever noticed how the tv producers hide the empty sections of seats
It's been happening for years, several years ago you couldn't hardly see the cars on the track because of the silver grandstands shining blinding at Dover
@@chrispix61 back in the 90's when C.A.R.T was still in existence Portland would get 80,000 people for the weekend and trans Am and the Indy lights would come with them.and then the IRL didn't want to have road course racing so Portland was abandoned now they've been coming back for the last couple years but they're not getting $80,000 people now one more thing when championship auto racing teams came to town it was the first race of the year that ESPN televised live flag to flag and it was televised in Portland and still got $80,000 people for the weekend
Wait until the Nascar Brickyard race at Indy this year, there will be more empty seats than a Joe Biden campaign rally
It’s worse in NASCRAP
@sgtmcc6 Well all have concerns with what is going on but the childish 'Nascrap' and 'Napcar' are truly worn out and stupid at this point.
No Nascar should not have push to pass.
That would probably require a turbocharger or a hybrid to get the extra oomph necessary.
Nascar does have push to pass, it's on the front bumper!
Yup they should Cleatus has a "push to pass" in his Crown Vic's
yeah, nascar needs DRS
They have push to crash instead
You say Penske doesn't like cheating. I say he doesn't mind the cheating. It's the getting caught he has a problem with. They cheated here in Australia.
Props for making "Penske South" a thing again, Kenny 😄
The push to pass was not supposed to be used on the start of the race, similar to the rear wing opening in F1, it's not supposed to be active until like the 3rd lap. Somehow they figured out how to use it on the start of the race and that was the violation. Indy officials evidently noticed it in Long Beach and then looked back at the previous race. If they pushed a button at the start, I believe they knew it was illegal, just sayin'....
Yeah I read and saw a clip that they did not reset the software before the start of the race. It was available for warm ups or something and they had like 20-30 seconds to use and they just left it on. They claim there was an error with something, yeah….,,not resetting to race start.
Finally, some kind of detailed explanation of what was going on. Where can I find the Official account of what really happened because Kenny didn't get it done.
Penske should not own the series and compete in it at the same time. Hard to take IndyCar seriously when that is the current reality.
Couldn’t agree more!!
@@jennykalina3443ok you buy it and run it.
Ross Chastain had a push to pass button and used it.
Yeah it's called the accelerator pedal and a good engine builder and ballsy driver!
Penske was no stranger to “Bending the rules” His 1967 Sunoco Camaro was dipped in acid to eat away at the metal which made the car 250 pounds underweight for the Trams Am series. That car lapped the field. After the stewards weighed the car they found out it was underweight. The stewards were going to DQ the car but after Roger was going to withdraw all of the Camaros from the series the governing body decided to keep the victory and do not get me started on the PC-23 Indycar with the controversial pushrod Mercedes engine as it was developed for a single race at the 1994 Indy 500. That engine was so powerful that it developed over 1000 hp that they outlawed it.
The special 94'Penske/Mercedes engine was essentially the Buick/Menard engine. The Buick won poles and just never finished. It was given more boost to equalize frome the V8 turbo car engines, which 90%+ of the cars used. CART never let the Buicks have more boost in the races they ran. But Indy was a USAC event and they decided to give them more boost with the pop off valve. 60 inches vs 45 inches. Penske decided to build a Buick type engine for the 94' race. Getting it to finish was the tough part. And it did win that year. Although EFittipaldi dominated Al Jr for most of that race and was a lap ahead. It wasn't a cheating thing for Penske. He just used the rules USAC had and he won it and made the Buicks look stupid.
I have mixed feelings about the '94 Indy Penske. It was a beautiful race car (still my favorite among all Indy/F1 types, as far as looks go).
It was legal although not entirely in the spirit of the rules.
Anyways, karma came knocking at the following year's Indy 500 when the Penske cars could not qualify! They could not make the field, no matter what they tried.
Nevertheless, I think the '94 Indy Penske played a part in the eventual split of Indycars into IRL and CART/Champ Cars.
The split really never did either faction any good. Only NASCAR reaped the benefits.
Penske was co owner of a v8 Supercar team which Scott McClaughlin drove for and won races and championships. They were disqualified post race Bathurst when their engine was found to be illegal.
You're 100% right about IndyCar marketing. It has been a yuge blind spot for too long. IndyCar is my #1 series, and the same problems that the late great Dan Gurney petitioned USAC about in 1978 are almost identical to IndyCar's present problems. A few races like Long Beach & Road America do pretty well, but the schedule is pretty much the Indy 500 surrounded by a bunch of satellite races that no one outside of the fan base knows about. Most people watching the 500 do not know that 75% of those drivers are racing 16 other times this year! They're also pathologically terrified to race during football season. They need to step outside the I-465 bubble.
Ok Kenny I'm a former team member of a indycar team, not Penske, but if want to make a video about what happened then get your damn facts straight. Push to pass has been on these cars for years! YES YEARS! What they did was allow their cars to use it at points of the race when prohibited. So to keep yourself from looking like a fool study up before you make a video, lord knows people will respect you for the knowledge. If you take time to read this thank you.
That comment clarified nothing at all, and yet, 41 people, so far, think you answered all the questions.
I never understood the push to pass button.
@williesmith4546 The cars are so equal that they can't get past each other. That makes for boring racing. They get just so much PTP time and can use it when they think it is adventagous.
All the gadgets should be removed and let the best chea uh team win.
@@macmorgan6685 I want to go as far to say, remove all the wings.
The IndyCar push to pass has been around since 2009. It allows up to 200 seconds of boost of up to 60 hp. What Penske Racing claims is they failed to uninstall the test software and allowed unapproved software to remain for the race. Inadvertent or not it is illegal. So they cheated. They screwed up.. Kenny you are 100% correct, nobody even knows they were racing.
I knew they were racing, I just didn't care. They race every year, and usually have 2 or 3 races before Indy in May. They may not be the same weekends each year. How many people who aren't NASCAR fans, would know if their season started, without their biggest race being the first race of the year? NASCAR already has push to pass. It's done in the corners at almost every race. You push the other guy into the corner, then he gets loose, and you pass him. Indy cars don't work like that. 😂👍
What makes it more detrimental is that Roger. Has ownership stake in the entire series. This is why was against Tony competing in SRX, and Penske having teams in his own series. I hated "house cars" of a track owner or his kids car racing in our races at local tracks. House rules and house always wins.
Even if they aren't cheating it just looks bad for the series and the sport.. living in a fish bowl world, perception is everything.
BIG INDYCAR fan, thanks for doing an INDYCAR video even if it’s under these circumstances.
They absolutely knew. If they didn't they wouldn't have been using the push button on the restarts. The push to pass has been on the cars for yrs
I’ve been a long time motorsports fan, both Nascar and especially INDYCAR, used to actually work in the CART series (earlier IndyCar) and the main problem with INDYCAR is it is literally one step forward, two steps back. It’s unfortunate that both Nascar and INDYCAR have turned into spec racing the difference’s being budgets of the series . INDYCAR has some of the best racing around, it’s just run as a club series and that’s its major detriment.
Don't forget about logano and the web glove.
Owners of a series should not have their own team period. Either Penske wants to own the IndyCar series or he wants to own an IndyCar team but not both.
Thats right !
No
He doesn't really want to even own the series.
Tony George sold it to him.
Penske just wanted the speedway.
But got stuck buying the series as well.
CAsino houses rules are stacked so the house always wins in the end.
We had a car at our local track that was owned by the track owner, and was kept in the tech shed.. even if they weren't cheating, if they won it was a stink and gave a bad rep for the track and the limited late model class.
It's the same deal as Tony George's Indycar team. Should never have happened.
Their marketing really is horrible
Hell no nascar shouldn’t do it they have done to much already
I had a great Uncle that recently passed away. He used to help local NBC tv channels sell commercial slots. I asked him a few years ago if he had noticed how stupid and dumb some of the commercials are nowadays. He said never ever underestimate the average intelligence of the perspective audience. He then said and remember this Bad publicity sells just as much and sometimes better than positive publicity. Truer words have never been spoken! ❤keep up the good work Kenny.
indy's push-2-pass is almost as lame as f1's DRS zones.. just race head to head without the gimmicks, please
I actually like it. It adds another layer of complexity to race strategy. Like the "joker lap" in rallycross. You can use it all up to get out front early, or you can save most of it until the end, its up to the driver and engineer to decide what works best for them. I definitely like p2p better than drs zones, as there is a set limit to the time it can be used, and each team gets the same time.
Gimmick is racing stages, lucky dogs
Those of us who are Indy car fans (as opposed to NASCAR fans, and I once held a NASCAR competitors license) are well aware of the cheating but still don't understand it. The Push to Pass "button" can only be used to a maximum time per race, usually 2 minutes. It cannot be used for restarts.... which is what Newgarden has confessed to doing. What is weird though, is, as Kenny stated, the officials knew the instant it happened as they see the number of seconds used in real time. The only thing that gives Kenny's argument credence is that they waited until after the race at Long Beach to announce it. Without the argument that they wanted the cheating scandal to gin up the numbers for TV for the month of May, there is no reasonable explanation. And Newgarden's comments at his conference today left knowledgeable Indy fans with more questions than answers.
I agree with what you are saying, and the data logging is definitely there, but unless someone is specifically looking at that particular screen during the restart, they're not going to notice it. Im guessing race control typically has their focus on other stuff during the restart. If it was the start of the race, sure it would be noticeable as someone would have less time left than anyone else, but on a restart, the only way they'd notice immediately is if someone looked at that screen the few seconds they were actually pushing the button.
Some additional facts: the code left in the system ignored the Race Control parameters and the system didn't let Race Control know it was used. Throws lots of shade on the integrity of the whole series. How a team can make these coding changes is absurd!
Almost the same scenario as the NFL allowing teams to handle the balls before a game ! (i.e Tom Brady) The teams being able to write code to enable/disable P2P is simply ASKING for mischief.
@@gearhead444 nothing like football pressure, where an official inspects and places the ball before every snap, lol.
I stopped watching when you called it the indycar racing league.
That’s funny- also says an awful lot about Indy these days
Seems like an easy mistake to make. I'm an IndyCar fan, so i know better, but they used to be the Indy Racing League, and after reunification became IndyCar again, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to combine the 2 names.
Eh, I hear plenty of people referring to stock cars as "NASCARs/a NASCAR". We still love Herman!
The rest of the world stopped watching long ago. Hence indy needing to be on life support constantly.
Nascar needs to eliminate restrictor plates
that's really easy to say behind a keyboard when it's not your car or body that flies into cathfence. You just can't let the cars go over a certain speed at these high banked ovals or they are going airborne even more.
@@SoundWave1984-cu6xb They already do get airborne and fly into catch fences with the plates...
@watsonroadster3707 No shit. That's why you don't let them go even faster and give them more speed and velocity to make the wreck even worse.
then they would have to make smaller motors, maybe 200 cid V-8
@@SoundWave1984-cu6xb You actually believe plate races are about safety??? They are about satisfying the twisted metal fans who like wrecks and think "competition" is the entire field driving around in a pack. If "safety" is a concern, it's way down the order...
@Kenny Wallace you're so right...IndyCar is terrible at promoting their product...they desperately need guys like David Land talking about the serious on CZcams to draw more attention to it, in my opinion best racing there is, but nobody's watching!
Broadcasting INDYCAR on Peacock is terrible idea, I don’t have Peacock! NBC doesn’t promote INDYCAR hardly at all!
Kenny, great show. I thought Josef was very credible. Indy Car is really screwed up right now. No marketing or advertising, the elitist Thermal race that completely sucked and the broadcast jumping between Peacock, NBC? ESPN? Where? Should get texts and emails on every race with tickets available since they have my contact information through previous Indy race ticket purchases but no, Crickets. It’s really sad.
Indycar has produced some of the best racing the past 4 years. You are correct they have a marketing problem.
Congrats on 94,000 subs, Kenny. 🎉
Push to pass button has been in the series a long time. They're not testing it.
What they were testing was using it on starts and restarts
@raritania7581 No, it always disabled by the series on starts and restarts cuz everyone would be hammering the button.
Penske basically had software to bypass Indy race control "kill switch" on the P2P system.
They were testing it during the preseason, though. I think that's the issue. I believe it's legitimate software for testing, and it was left on the car for the race. The issue is whether that error was accidental or intentional.
You nailed it Herm!! The PDC in the little town of Fairbury Illinois has more promotion than any indy car race! Hahaha
Cale used to say "if you aint cheatin, you aint winnin!"
So you’re saying a team that goes over their equipment with a fine tooth comb in preparation for a race “forgot” to take something they were testing off the car? On another note…didn’t Penske dip their Trans Am race car bodies in acid to lighten them back in the 60s to the point the cars were so flimsy they had to beef up the chassis and roll cage to support the body? Then played a shell game with the car swapping the numbers and such so no one could tell it was the car that was illegal. It happens in every form of racing soapbox derby to F1.
The situation of Indy Car not effectively promoting their races has a familiar ring to it. The open-wheel Champ Car predecessor, CART [Championship Auto Racing Teams] decline in the late 1990s/early 2000s [aside from the Indy Racing League's sabotaging CART entries for the Indy 500] was alleged to be from a lack of competent marketing the CART series.
This isn’t the first time an Andretti had been victimized by cheating. 50 years ago when Mario Andretti first tried his luck at NASCAR, he was purposely saddled with under-performing engines by his team Holman-Moody. It was by design so that their golden boy, Fred Lorenzen, would always be top dog. It wasn’t until after Andretti discovered the scheme and complained to Ford that that things were equalized. The rest is history.
As long as the overall safety of the car and driver isn't compromised, I think teams innovating in grey areas are a good thing. INDYCAR and NASCAR should be more flexible in the rulebooks.
I didn't know they were racing either. They need better PR.
As racers we ALL “cheat”. The Difference is we only call it cheating when it’s another team that gets caught!
Kenny I really appreciate your never ending excitement about everything with wheel! As you also appreciate the truth no matter what , you clearly don’t have enough background and facts on this topic to report on it like the professional that you are.
I absolutely love IndyCar racing and youre 100% right about marketing and promotion, it is criminally under promoted because its the best racing series in the world
As bad as Hendrick has cheated for decades and nascar constantly gives his brats wins on silver platters they're picking on an owner who's teams actually work hard for wins??!! What bs
I don’t know what made Penske think he could get away with cheating without catching himself. He had to know he would know he was cheating.
Last thought… I love Herm but you will have a hard time finding a bigger cheater than Roger Penske.
Mr Kenny, IndyCar has been using the push to pass for a number of years already. What they were testing was the new hybrid system in which they also use more the push to pass. However Penske team says that after that hybrid test, they should have taken it out of the computer system. However they say they forgot it was in the system for three races. Really ? Maybe the drivers didn't know. Everybody wants an advantage in racing, even Penske in the early Trans Am years used to dip the cars in acid, and they won many races. Someone knew, and they got caught.
They cheated and got caught.
I remember the Penske Sunoco Trans Am Camaro with the huge gas tank filler neck that held an substantial amount of fuel. Blatant as hell! 1969 I believe.
I have to bring up some Penske racing history. In 1967 at the Nassau Governor’s Trophy race Penske entered two Sunoco Camaros - Cars #15 and #16. Car 16 had an acid-dipped body removing 250 lbs (below minimum weight regulation) The car won and it was only discovered afterwards at post-race ins. To stop this in 1968, at Sebring, a pre-race weigh-in was introduced. To get past this the Penske folks ran the legal “15” car through tech-inspection then they added a small #6 decal covering the number 5 on the “15” car and again ran it through tech inspection as car #16. For qualifying, they reversed the procedure enabling the acid dipped #16 car to qualify twice as 15 and 16. Well,as they said back then “If you ain’t cheatin, you ain’t trying”.
Do away with the engine leasing program, bring back the run what you brung concept with NO HP limits, and watch Indycar spectator levels soar. It has become too structured.
No type of racing needs a push to pass button.That’s not real racing in my opinion but what do I know lol . I think it a crock of shit real racers don’t need that .That’s exactly why Indy car racing has fallen to the way side there are no real racers left in the series
I never liked the push to pass. I think if your good enough and got a good enough car you don't need it. Make a pass on your own if talented enough, Works for me.
Roger doesn't cheat 🤣Remember the acid dipped Trans Am cars?
You are dead right! I had no idea there was any races so far this year Kenny! Their marketing is brutal.
So they “forgot” to remove software yet the drivers were using the push to pass on restarts? They got caught cheating and now they are telling lies in an attempt to move on.
Hey, I need to see your show every day because you are so informative. You’re so cool and uplifting. I love it. Thanks for all the stuff that you bring us. It’s the best God bless you.
The marketing is terrible. You are spot on. Thanks for your honest assessment.
I couldn't listen to this whole thing because I believe in, "Getting to the POINT!" You can't just jump into the middle of a subject and make a few points ASSUMING that the listeners already know the Rest Of The Story? I had you read the comments to figure out what you were talking about.
1. Did Indycar create a rule that stated, "Push To Pass is no longer legal? Remove it from your cars!"
2. Was there a driver's meeting where Indycar stated the following? "The drivers are no longer allowed to use Push To Pass even if it is still in the car?
If that's the case, how is it even possible that the techs at Penske Racing didn't remove it and did Newgarden miss that driver's meeting? This makes no sense that this was an, "OOOPS, we didn't know that!" I'm not saying, "They cheated," but how could they not know it was banned?
Herman, you are so right with the IndyCar marketing being awful. It's insane to me the series is still around with the lack of promotion they have. As they say I guess, any PR is good PR with this scandal.
With the Push to Pass stuff, it's been around for a couple decades now -- but it's not allowed to be used on starts and restarts. They had a line of code that bypassed the IndyCar Race Control system that enabled/disabled Push to Pass for hybrid testing, and it somehow found its way into the code for the 2024 racecars. Newgarden said he "thought the rule changed" despite everyone else in the world knowing it never did change, including his teammates. RP isn't involved with his IndyCar team at all, since he owns the series (and IMS) and I know he was pissed, just as you said. He called ALL the team owners (or the team principles if the owner wasn't available) together at Barber this weekend WITH the exception of Tim Cindric, who runs his IndyCar team. Some owners came out of that meeting saying now they know Roger never had any part in that, while others say they're still in the dark.
I think the truth is that RP didn't know, Cindric might've known, the 3 and 12 teams didn't know, but the 2 car team ABSOLUTELY knew what they were doing. While they either convinced Josef that the rule had changed or if he was in on that, I'm not sure.
I like your shows because you do share your opinion. Educated opinion. And it’s never in a mean way. Kenny, you keep being you!
The only reason that you hear anything about indy car is because of Kyle Larson racing in the 500
Great show and info 😊
Indy car needs to do a better job of televising races, I have 500 channels I could not find the long beach race last week. Like really. I look at search engines TV directories like for a hour.
It was on USA. With their NBC deal, if it's not on real NBC it's on USA. There's only Toronto and the Saturday Milwaukee race that will be Peacock only. Then again, IndyCar and marketing don't go together.
Just look at the Indycar race schedule online on ESPN, it shows the tv channel, start time, qualifying etc.
@@craigmaverick thanks
We forgot we had the Push to Pass = Just The Tip Baby.
I thought the push to pass button was already implemented several years ago. Why is it just now becoming an issue?And why did they take points from them? I'm confused.
Do we not remember the #6 Mark Donahue car scca trans am with the acid dip tops.
You hit the nail on the head, auto racing needs better promotion.
They need more ovals. That's all they need.
Hey HERM! This north county Florissant boy appreciates your opinion and comments on today’s big racing series. I was born and raised at the dirt tracks as a spectator watching y’all tearing it up on the dirt ! Love you buddy , tell em what’s up
Indy fan here, you’re 100% right. Indycar’s marketing stinks. We have some amazing drivers and racing going on right now and everyone is missing it.
Indy car was my passion in the 80s and early 90s. Don’t like it now for many reasons.
Just to clarify for those who don't know, push-to-pass isn't new to IndyCar. I think they had it in Champ Car 20 years ago. What's out of the ordinary is being able to use it on starts and restarts. You're normally not allowed to do that and the software governing this system wouldn't even let you, but IndyCar had a non-championship exhibition race with different rules, similar to NASCAR's All Star Race, in between rounds 1 and 2 of this year's IndyCar championship. In this one-off race, teams were allowed power-to-pass on starts and restarts, so the settings on the cars were changed to facilitate this. According to Newgarden, his team was under the impression that the change to push-to-pass availability was for the whole season and not just that one event, so they ran with their Thermal Club settings from the season opener in St. Pete right up until they got caught in the morning warmup at Long Beach. They're insisting that while it was a clear breach of the rules and they don't dispute their penalties, it was an honest mistake. That would be a plausible explanation **IF** his car owner were anyone other than the guy who owns the series. Of all the teams on the grid, Team Penske has the least excuse for being out of the loop when it comes to the latest developments in IndyCar, so either way you slice it it's embarrassing for that organization.
Are you sure Rusty is your brother 🤔🤣🤣✌🏻
What's even worse is that this was not caught until the Long Beach race. Indycar has had 3 races this year and only a few of us hard core geeks knew. The second race at Thermal, was a no points race which is good because there was no point in watching it. I had Formula 1 type drama with about 1/100th the viewership. A true snoozefest. Yes, they definitely need help with their marketing.
That's what I call an Unfair advantage.
Push to pass is old news. Did they take it away? It’s not something new.
There's an old saying controversy sells and this is going to help attendance and viewership for the Indy 500
I hate fuel savings! Oh he is such a great fuel saver he probably owns a Prius, boring! Racing is go fast not save fuel. Race weekly like everyone else. Can’t follow a sport whose schedule is like the weather.
Kenny, I agree with you you never know when the IndyCar race is on. They are horrible at public relations. I know the Indy 500 is coming up but no idea when when the practices are what the schedule is nothing. My main question for you is I’m pretty sure any car is had push to pass for many years now, but you never explained why they weren’t allowed to use it this year. Has it been outlawed what’s going on because I know in the past they’ve had it, so you never told us why it was illegal.
They can’t use it on starts and restarts. It’s disabled at those times. Newgarden and McLaughlin used it illegally at St.Pete.
Love ya Herman! Keep it up brother, don't ever change!
The only way I knew about the St. Petersburg race is my local TV channels are based in the St. Pete/Tampa area
That should have been caught and dealt with when the cars went through tech following the race. Day late and dollar short. The idea penalizing anyone weeks later is bad for the business.
Read "The Unfair Advantage"
I used to watch in the cars many years ago. Not so much now because they're on channels that I don't have access to
Push to pass is about the dumbest thing they've ever done in.IndyCar racing.
Just imagine if NASCAR also had that crap.
It happens in racing. When youre the driver and the adrenaline is pumping its easy to forget. Especially when the closest thing to indycar is formula one, who are allowed to immediately use the KERS system whenever they please as long as they do not overtake under yellow.
Sure, the driver should know the rules, but thats just how she goes sometimes.
Great take. I will say NBC and anyone with Peacock willsee commercials all week for the upcoming races though.
F1 has DRS zones you could have a zone in other race series for following cars to pass... It mainly to negate aero issues in following cars with high downforce that create a wake... Supercars have reduced aero to make it easier to pass with Gen3 cars... Nascar could have zones on a roadcourse to make passing easier but they don't really need it as drafting works for them...
I agree, this past 3 years something has been wrong with Indycar Racing’s marketing - NOT with the racing, just with their marketing. I don’t know if it started when Penske purchased Indycar (I like and respect Penske Racing’s top notch programs in both Indycar and NASCAR), or if it is NBC Sports’ failure. Ever since the NBC Sports Channel was closed down, NBC Sports’ motorsports coverage has been falling apart. Their top corporate management clearly does not give a hoot about racing anymore. What once had grown into a racefan’s home of motorsports, has now become a serious joke! Indycar and NBC made a mistake over the past couple of years trying to pawn Indycar coverage off on the Peacock streaming platform, and as a result, mainstream coverage and notoriety for Indycar has sunk into the toilet. The Toronto Indycar race was ONLY available on Peacock, and that is their most exciting race of the year. Mr Penske, please put some seasoned veterans in charge of your marketing in the Indycar Series. It is simply too good of a product to allow to fall into the weeds of TV viewing. Please!
I went to an Indy car race at Pocono (my first Indy car race). As we walked through the pits, it was obvious that half the garage had "field fillers". Now I love racing, and drove 5 hours to see this race. But the race was so boring that I fell asleep while watching the race in the stands. Maybe 3 cars in the field were actually "racing". Maybe Pocono is not the best place to see Indy cars race, but it was extremely boring.
To correct you, just in case anyone hasn't, push to pass is always available on road and street circuits with a limit of 200 seconds. Indycar remotely disables it for starts and restarts and only enables it when they reach the alternate start line on the first lap of the start and restart. That being said, I'm definitely of the "they cheated and got caught, let's move on" variety. It very well had to be a human error of some sort with the code being left in the chassis computer and that does happen.
Also, you are so spot on as to how bad their marketing is. It makes it frustrating as a fan of the series who wants to see them grow to new fans.
Penske Racing got caught cheating in Trans Am back in the 60s by acid dipping their Camaro chassis. Do not tell me about Roger being so opposed to cheating. He just doesn’t get caught that often.
Kenny,
Indycar isn't testing the P2P. They're testing the P2P with the hybrid engine. P2P in Indycar has been around awhile.
The issue is that P2P has restrictions on WHEN it can be activated during a race. Penske Racing cheated by finding a way around the restrictions.
It used to be called a maverick Botton was used with McCullg gokark engines in the 1950s.
Push to pass has been around for quite awhile, kind of like DRS in F1. Personally I love the open wheel racing, like Indy Car and F1, over stock cars, but I agree with you. Indy Car's marketing is horrible at best. No hype, no build up, and minimal advertising. Even their hyping of flopped F1 drivers is insulting to fans that actually follow racing. The month between the first points race and the second was ridiculous too.
Newgadens excuse cracked me up. He made it worse. Like my dad always told me excuses are like butt holes, everyone has one. I don't put anything on Roger. But to say they thought it was a permanent rule change after that first non points race Heater or whatever that race was. And left the software. Roger needs to clean the house because they know the rules and play stupid. The drivers knew nothing about it. See how it works. The software stops the push the pass from being used on starts and restarts. They changed the software to be able to use the push to pass on starts and restarts.
Ask Schrader about the extra holes in the intake manifold at Daytona many years ago. "We were testing and forgot to change the manifold to the legal restrictor plate manifold." If you aint cheating, you aint trying.
Always enjoy Kenny's comment and appreciate the outlook being "glass half full" !
However, this is in the "not your finest moment" file.
Push to pass has been included in the Indy Car package for years now, known fact.
You'll have to take the coffee money away from your "army of researchers", Kenny.
The deal has been, don't use it on starts or restarts, in the rulebook...everyone knows.
Yes, the Indy Car TV and media package is rueful, and streaming offshoots are not legit effort coverage.
Pust to pass in NASCAR is a fence best not jumped.
The cost of attending races, not tickets, but the exploitive rest of it......needs a hard look.
NEVER diss Roger Penske in front of the Wallaces.
Thanks Herman!
push to pass is nothing new for them. they talk about during the races on tv and even show how many each driver has left to use during the race.
Push to pass is legal only after crossing the start finish line on a yellow restart. Penske drivers used it before crossing the line and had software to hide the fact is what I read.