Michael Andretti Suggests Penske Should Sell IndyCar - Let's Talk About It.
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Michael Andretti becomes the first IndyCar team owner to publicly criticize Penske Entertainment's ownership of IndyCar. This is significant... let's discuss!
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Penske is almost 90 years old. Purchasing IMS was the capstone of his motorsports career. Realistically the chances of seeing any major changes under his leadership is wishful thinking.
I agree it should remain a US-based series, but it should have one overseas race, and I've suggested Buriram in Thailand. Penske's vision is too localized. Property development is squeezing out Indycar in Toronto, and its replacement should be Mont-Tremblant. A annual rotation between Buriram and Mont-Tremblant and using container ships would mitigate the cost of an overseas trip. Call it the international round of Indycar. Maybe, Liberty can buy Indycar, and rebrand it as the FIA Indycar Championship. I don't mind the evolutionary approach to spec chassis improvement like new parts from Dallara and its partners every year, but the overall package must perform within 10 seconds of an F1 car like a Super Formula car. I'm against adding more ovals to the schedule because they don't look challenging from the naked eye, and attendance outside of Indy, Iowa and WWT have been lackluster. I would like to see another engine manufacturer, and I prefer a European one like Alfa Romeo or VW to spice things up. Honda has suggested Cosworth building all Indycar engines to lower costs. I'll add engine manufacturers should continue to tune their Cosworth-built engines. Indycar should also make room in the schedule for drivers to compete in Le Mans. I think car counts should be capped at 24 to minimize traffic. I would like to see scheduling changes like Iowa before the July 4th weekend and Road America after. The Nashville street race would be awesome to end the season, and the last oval race, WWT, should precede it. I believe less is more. Less races and upgraded facilities would improve the fan experience. It is a disgrace that the temporary structures for the Monaco GP look better than the permanent facilities at Mid-Ohio.
@black_sheep2520 Ovals are what IndyCar unique from a competition and driving standpoint. They are not easy in the slightest, if you watch the amount of control manipulation in cockpit camera view its probably more than a road course. It takes special skill and guts to drive an open wheel car in either aero trim on a short oval or super Speedway. Getting rid of ovals makes IndyCar no better than F2.
I always thought RP was the best person to own IMS but he was the worst person to own & run the series.
@@ILSRWY4 He is better than Tony George.
@@kylegoodman5196 "Getting rid of ovals makes IndyCar no better than F2." They could make the cars faster and more exciting than F2 (F3000), like Champcar's Panoz-Cosworth in 2007 (with no ovals)! There's no reason in principle they need to be the same speed or slower than F2 cars on road courses. I guess some people want the series to be more like the IRL, the others want it more like CART or Champcar. This is always going to be difficult to resolve. For my liking, the international races and standing starts of Champcar in 2007 were wonderful!
The series has long needed a wealthy visionary willing to take some calculated risk and invest heavily in building the series back up. The unlocked potential in the series has been there for SO long it's maddening. Good for Andretti for saying what needed to be said.
I've always admired MA's passion for the sport.
indycar needed RPs consistency and solidity. maybe MA should shut up and put some money into the series as well, instead of strecthing himself so thin across numerous racing leagues!
@@crazysoundman how to say Im a noob fan without saying Im a noob fan.
It wouldn't be Indy without the Andretti's. I paid for them to be there from the late 50s on. They started at Eldora Speedway, with AJ Foyt, Parnelli Jones, The Unser's, Roger Ward, Stewart fought the Andretti's on the track. Let them jointly own INDY. Andretti is a Game Changer for better racing everywhere, just like Tony Stewart. Imagine the fire. Michael Is Straight Talkin truth. "GO INDY CAR"
Well let's face it, this was always going to happen to the series. Tony George and Roger Penske were the two main protagonists in the original split. And it's clear more now than ever that both were inept when it came to how to successfully operate a race series and the Indy Motor Speedway. We need new ownership, FROM WITHIN THE SPORT that understands what IndyCar needs to be successful. A new injection of fresh ideas and lofty goals will be the thing that spurns growth and interest. Roger's a smart guy. He wouldn't have the money to buy the sport if he weren't. But he's not capable of doing everything. And that includes own a racing series and operate it correctly.
david land should own the sport
TONI KANAAN OR JAMES HINCHCLIFFE FOR PRESIDENT!
I think Michael is the best candidate. I was never a fan of his back in the day, but he gets it entirely. He is a true racer and has had great success in business. He's also the perfect age IMHO to take this ball and run with it.
Exactly what I was thinking regarding the Andretti F1 rejection bit. He's been rebuffed by F1, so go all in on the series where you already have deep roots.
Personal opinion. I would rather see Penske own the Speedway. A group of investors owns the series with someone like SCCA or USAC Sanction the series. Penske should own a part of series. I think Penske stength is a ownership of the speedway. The Weakness is series ownership
You clearly don't remember the last time USAC Sanctioned IndyCar racing. What a joke that was...
@@FloridaManRacer I was just throwing it out there
pesky owning the speedway, is ok at best. the sob tosses some paint around, then charges more for less and later bye bye. Nazareth, MIS and Cali ring any bells? He should have nothing to do with ownership of the series while he has teams running in it becuase he has proven, he doesnt give a s**t about good racing, he cares about winning, no matter how he has to do it.
@@CrewGuyPJThis comment has aged well. P2P?
@@coreyh1700 pesky been doing that **** for years. there is grey area and there is outright cheating and he has blurred that line for years. go back to his acid dipped Camaro that Donohue drove...its been going on ever since. if you have a chance and want to see an old man get really mad, ask him, " why did you kill the cosworth using safety as the reason, instead of working harder on your precious ilmor?" LOL
New chassis, no hybrid systems and battery weight, make small SAFE loud cars and watch the fanbase explode with fans from around the world who are tired of F1 or new fans who are learning F1 isn't what it's made out to be on Drive to Survive.
I'm with ya.. no hybrids.. make Indycars Fast, Loud and safe. Who cares about zero emmission/ electrification. They are supposed to be race cars not some liberals grocery getter that makes them feel like they are saving the planet or green public transportation.
Well said, I’m a long time F1 fan just starting to get into Indycar for those reasons.
One thing that turns me off a little though is some of the tracks are a bit rough looking.
I think the cars look good, they’re fast enough, the drivers seem to work harder than F1.
I think it’s a great product but some of those street circuits make it look a little 2nd tier.
Love me some Road America, Laguna and Watkins though!
I’d also like a series to stop worrying about being vaguely relative to road cars, green energy and concentrate on the spectacle itself.
Maybe naturally aspirated V6s or 8’s would be even better.
If you want international fans, you can't really be a glorified national series.
@Wotwudino race track presentation is somthing f1 nails. But indycar can't make places repave for less bumps and better looks.
Michael just said the quiet part out loud 😮
Its like an awkward conversation telling your elderly parents they shouldn't drive anymore
He saved the series from Covid. Now he needs to open up the ice to imsa suppliers and get a new chassis for 2026.
No new engine partners will enter the series. It makes zero sense.
Copying the IMSA drive train rules and having a new chassis with that in mind makes too much sense to happen.
And ENGINES! LOUD ONES.
@@mmonkeyman1403it could do, if they were an identical spec to IMSA, there's no further development cost to a manufacturer.
Ok.
As a 74 yr old man who listened to the 500 on the radio and then went to close podcast the on TV I think I have enough experience to comment here! The 1st problem start when the owners start complaining about new and unusual, think the turbine car, because they wanted the 500 to become something that it had never been a cookie cutter race! Before that it was innovative teams would build their cars in little gar garages, they would figure out what worked for them under USAC rules. Then along came Colin Chapman and Lotus soon everyone started building cookie cutter cars, gone was the innovation that the sport was built on. That is until Andy and STP brought the Turbin car in 68 on 69. Boy was there a lot of complaining about that, to the point where over the next couple of years USAC gave in and restricted them so much that it was the end. The end of the Turbin car and more importantly innovation! Then the owners, like Roger Penzke and others broke away from USAC and started their own racing league. Eventually USAC gave up and the owners started running the races because as business men they only saw the money that they could make and to HELL with the SPORT ! Then Tony George thought he could do it even better and we all know how that turned out ! So, you see when Indycar racing became big business the sport of racing went down to the level it is today! The same thing has happened to NASCAR! They got too big because all they could see was the money ! Liberty Media in F1 is doing the same thing, they manipulate the races so that a certain driver can win and people think THAT Liberty Media would be good for Indycar?
I do not believe that Liberty would be good for IndyCar.
Innovation, Guts and Glory that was the driving force behind the Indy 500. We need a few Dan Gurney again
Penske is the best competitor within a series. No one can compete like him. But, it's now clear that he can't step out of the role and run and grow an entire series. Thank you Michael for taking the bold step to start the conversation that I hope will keep Indycar from dying.
I was so excited about Penske buying Indy car in early 2020 but I feel after 4 years it’s been a huge disappointment. I also questioned who runs it as Roger is 87 years old
Rogers son, Greg along with a ton of others who are in that organization.
Dude, I work at IMS. Roger is smarter, faster, and in better shape than nearly all of us. He has a hand in every single decision made across all three companies. The “he’s old” argument is a joke.
What it really comes down to is RP doesn’t really care about owning the series. He wanted IMS. Indycar just came with it. Ask anyone that works there, Indycar is the red headed step child. Sell it to nascar or someone who cares
@@Slojo-fp3bp I kind of get that vibe from him as well he looks sharp still and highly motivated not nursing home level wanting Jell-O and pudding. I think it is still hard to fill the rest of the venues besides IMS. I was at IOWA last year had an awesome time but still only 75 percent full. Texas had miles of empty bleachers when they usually had great racing. I am in Portland and go see the PIR race every year attendance has been very strong. Would love to see Vancouver BC or an Australia race. Traveling to Milwaukee this year I hope it's packed for both races.
We love INDY car and NASCAR that is kind insulting when the last than 1 million on the national net work, not cable. Kind of disappointing don’t know why there’s so much viewership difference with NASCAR drawing 4? million last week. It’s a shame some people don’t know good racing, even if it was on a road course.
I don’t know what it would take to get more people to watch IndyCar that definitely Hass to be some other downfall .
It will always be a conflict of interest when one person owns the race series, owns several cars racing in that series, and owns the track that hosts the biggest event of the year.
Agree.even NASCAR doesn't own any of the race teams.
Only Penske could piss off their teams, fans, manufacturers, sponsors, and race promoters, and still view this all as a positive because they sold more merch..
This series is going to die in the next 10 years if something isn't done and done quickly...
I have no idea how merchandise sales are up. IndyCar Merch is horrible.
Yeah okay keep telling yourself that.
@@Slojo-fp3bpHonda has literally hinted with threats multiple times of potentially bailing on IndyCar after 2026 if a new chassis and rules package isn’t put into place by then. If Honda bails, with IndyCar’s inability for years to attract a new OEM, the series will be toast.
@@davidcopeland5450I believe the Penske plan will be to become the sole engine supplier 😂 How awesome would that be guys lmao, I can see those full stands now for qualifying 😂😂
@@simrigpc27b12 why not..that sob killed off cosworth becuase his precious chevy couldnt beat it.
You can see from my past comments, I've been saying for a while that Andretti should buy Indycar instead of trying to get into F1
IMS and the series should be completely separate entities. Whether we like it or not, CART had the correct mindset, grow the sport!!! Be open, welcome innovation. Personally, I've always hated the idea of making it all about Indy, would rather have an amazing series that keeps me interested as a fan all year long.
Mario, I think you are correct, but I also think it has also happened, Today there is the Indy 500 and... With no triple crown, there is nothing to talk about in the media. I also think there are two distinct factions: one wants more ovals and the other more road courses. As long as there is only one chassis and two engine suppliers, there's not much to talk about... different paint schemes?
IMS is tired of propping up the series as it is. Time to off load.
Yes this!
@@Slojo-fp3bp That's the point. CART was the series IMS now has it all and can't seem to manage it.
Definitely needs new chassis’s and more that 1 manufacturers!
Spec series sucks
They need to bring Reynard and Panoz Back
@@knightofthenine3121 Swift too , Michael drove a Swift when was Champcars. Like to see Eagles too but Dan Gurney passed away so I don't see the happening.
@@alexrebmann1253 You never saw a F2 or a F3 race, right? Indycar needs one or two more teams, a car which make closer racing and that's it.
@@retromaniaco_br7422 I have seen F2 and F3 and I am not going to compare Indycars to F2 or F3. I see Indycars as the American F1 but hundreds times cheaper. Yes need more teams and manufacturers.
The post race feels like an scca race. Hahaha so true. Let’s be honest the whole series feels like a feeder series minus the 500. Like RP or not Michael’s point of needing big $ into the series is the honest truth. The app is a joke and their are kids in high school who do better with social media than Penske Entertainment. All the management need to go. New direction with tons of cash is the way forward. The dw12 is literally eligible for historic races now and the new hybrid tech was done by Porsche at Le Mans like 10 years ago. Andretti is blunt but he’s right.
Andretti should divest from F1 and partner with someone to buy IndyCar. The chassis is 12 years old and at least a 3rd engine manufacturer is needed.
Does Michael Andretti really move the needle anymore than Roger does?
@@kylegoodman5196, globally, yes. Nationally, no.
@@flyingphoenix113 So why change just for change?
@@kylegoodman5196, because Indycar has a potentially global audience exhausted to boredom by F1 that is hindered by incompetent American management that can't see outside of their own borders.
Roger Penske, and how he went from a sports car driver to a billionaire multi conglomerate owner, has made him one of my idols. However, I have not been impressed with the current state of IndyCar. I think Michael Andretti has a good point. Let IndyCar go to someone else. I miss CART (in it's hay day) big time and would like to see IndyCar go in that direction.
Despite its issues, IndyCar is the best series going right now. It's too bad Andretti didn't get into F1. Then he wouldn't have time to worry about stuff like this.
David I really liked your idea about adopting the IMSA engine specs... A new tub/cockpit/chassis modularized---so that different manufacturers can add their own powertrain, side pod/wing assemblies within a new parameter of rules that allow for some variety in both appearance and strategies ... The other thing they need to realize is VISUAL ! Contrast the 'golf course' appearance of Barber Motorsports Park compared to some to street races that look they're racing around the prison yard !! Make the circuits colorful and open ... Another idea specifically for IMS would be to lengthen the road course... YES, by turning LEFT at turn #10 and going north down Shaw drive to (oval turn #3) and then coming back south down the back straight to return to what is now turns #10 & 11 via a chicane ... IT WOULD BE AWESOME and provide the additional real-estate for a larger number of entries in a longer endurance race of 12 or 24 hours ... IndyCar should be racing in S America, Australia and Japan--AT LEAST ....
I wanted to provide a constructive comment as opposed to my usual smart ass sarcasm, because I do care... love Indy, love your channel, thanks for all you do .... ❤💥🏁🏁🏁
I don't think Indycar should race on the IMS road course at all, it's a bit of a rubbish circuit IMO. Cut the time spent at Indy, just do 2-3 weeks for the 500 mile and get out of there. Otherwise the series is too Indy-centric.
YES!!!!! The Visual part is spot on. I made a point to a friend last week who said that F1 was poor racing and that IndyCar was better. I agree with that but watching a race in F1 is like watching high-grade HDTV. The production pre-race is a lot better. The production post-race is better. The concrete on F1 tracks looks fresh every race. They create an atmosphere of excitement even if the race stinks and Max wins it. It's like the NFL with production value and hype.
Put sponsor banners on the walls of the track on street circuits. Watching St. Pete was painful after watching an F1 race. Make the run-offs colorful. The merchandising for Indy Car is horrible and not enough variety. I would copy the F1 Authentics stuff and bring that to IndyCar. People would pay for an autographed 1/2 scale Scott Dixon Helmet or a racing suit or boots.
I also agree with your point about racing overseas but they would have to do this strategically. Perhaps two races a year overseas in the same part of the world where each region gets 2-3 years of racing before they move to a different region. I am not a fan of the IMS Road Course and would prefer they go to Brands Hatch or Hockenheimring in Europe or Sepang International Circuit in Asia along with a race in Japan or Australia.
Roger brought the series financial stability and got it through Covid when it should have died out. Michael buying the series would be a boon.
Have you seen how Michael runs his team? It's a shitshow.
Michael lives on his dad’s fame because he never did shit.
@tilemike Okay buddy 🤣🤣🤣
Indycar's big decision for its future is, "does it want to continue being a one-design junior series?" It's great for the owners and is an interesting series to see what drivers can do in virtually identical cars, but is that what Champ Cars (aka Indycar) should be about?
No vision by Penske, ...should be doing 20 races a season and Mexico at least, big following there, someone needs to do something about it!
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And australia/new zealand
Michael Andretti needs to focus on winning Championships. Win a couple, then I might listen to him some more. As for on the track items, no one wants hybrids or EV’s on the race track. We want safe, high performance vehicles, that showcase driver talents and sound great on track. Penske deserves to have some respect after all he has done for the sport. I may not agree with everything he says, but he has invested his whole life in multiple auto racing series.
I for one didn't like the sale of the speedway or indycar to Penske from the get go. Good for Michael!
The idea of a new chassis and having an american f1 competitor with more manufacturer support would be amazing, they have an opportunity to make this everything f1 isn’t
You need to get that engine idea out to everyone involved in Indy that you can reach, start getting the word around! That idea is amazing!
Penske covets IMS and the 500, highly doubt he would be willing to sell or give up control of either. Without those two IndyCar has very little value to anyone looking to buy it.
sigh .... this sport needs an enema
So much potential and so little imagination ...
I know my friend. It’s tough to be an INDYCAR fan. I’ve been watching them stumble over themselves for 30 years. I’m sure some people here have endured longer.
I turned on qualifying today, and I was just saying to my friends how the production felt so flat. This is quali for the first race of the season, and no one sounded excited at all. If I was a first time viewer, I’d have turned it off. I want the announcers to be JACKED UP for the first meaningful session of the year.
Can we please go back to the days of CART
Yes. As an international fan, this was the most attractive. Loved it.
why? so pesky can fk it up again ?
@@simonnaughton2272 I felt the same, but later IRL whan all oval is what I liked the best. Racing at Charlotte, Dover, Atlanda, Disney.....
😂 I could see Rodger Penske straight up saying f off to somebody.
Indy has been broken since the split. The split isn’t why IndyCar has remained irrelevant, but the mindsets behind it remain as stubborn as ever, and why they can’t fix what they broke.
On the scene reporting from St Pete, on an actively breaking and developing story. This is quality journalism.
No ways there are going to be any charters at 1 million dollars a year. Maybe one time 1 million for the charter. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Penske should allow the teams to buy equity in the series. Not only would this give the teams a stake in the series similar to a charter system, it would add funding to the series and help the series expand. The teams would also have at least some say over the direction of IndyCar.
So like CART basically?
Would love to see Michael buy the series. With people who can help grow it correctly. Make Indycar bigger than F1!
In terms of success Chip and Penske have been the big fish in the pond... Sure Andretti and McLaren has been around but they have not had the success in the series as those other 2. When your race team is winning and gaining sponsors due to consistently winning it's easy to talk about the past as well as be less likely to want to see changes made... When you're Andretti and want to grow your brand as well as the sports you participate in then, yes, I absolutely see his point and agree with it. It's clear Indycar has been far too stagnant. When F1 cut spending and had to spend elsewhere what did Indycar gain from it? Maybe a bit more from McLaren but what else? It all ended up going to E-racing series and sports car racing... Why? Well that answer, imo, is pretty obvious... I was excited when Penske took the reigns but my optimism has quickly turned into skepticism...
I honestly don't know how close to failing IndyCar is, but it's definitely the closest it has been since Tony George gave the keys to Roger Penske. Michael has been burning a lot of bridges lately. I'm wondering if he knows something about his engine supplier that the public doesn't. It's hard to feel like the sport is in good shape, when one of the biggest teams in the sport is demanding wholesale changes.
Great points by Michael, but honestly wasting breath/energy on it.
A good question I heard asked elsewhere is why the BoomerGuard (RP and Ganassi) don't have drivers in their very own feeder league for Indycar? Andretti does. Do the same ancient guard, who's greed really was the backbone that built that Armageddon Split, have little care/faith in their own league (the league that practically made them), to not invest at all in it (other than deride it), and use other league's feeder system as their feeder system instead? Or is this nothing more than a form of Vulture Capitalism, where RP is really just owning IMS (with Indycar just a tag-along to owning that one property), until he made his money and could sell the corpse to any other entity willing to pay for it?
It would explain a lot of how RP would more like to screw around in WEC/IMSA land than work on building Indycar back up to be any sort of competitor on the world stage. He owns IMS and he knows that without IMS there is no Indycar, and subsequently no one could create a competitor to force him to make anything better. So yeah, there's reasons why the only way I even care about Indycar anymore is via this channel. I don't see even a sliver of care by RP to do anything of importance with Indycar, if anything I see more conflict of interest because if he was an actual league owner and actually means to return it back up the food chain, he wouldn't be in the paddock of any other racing leagues, because he would be too busy building up his own.
While I always questioned whether one team owner should own the whole series, I thought that if someone could help the series, it would be Penske. However, at this point, it is clear after 4 years that the series is still struggling, and there seems to be nothing coming out of Indycar management that would get people excited. Right now, Indycar needs innovation, and it needs to bring new excitement to the sport, but that is just not happening.
We could probably have Andretti , Dallara and Mclaren chassis right now if the series would allow it and spend a few hundred thousand more per car , money already being spent on hybrids and weight lightening for it . They have car build facilities already doing other things but they are not allowed to make an indycar . its kinda crazy .
It would be fun to have more than one chassis!
Good to have DL back on the beat at the track
I had not heard about Liberty wanting to buy the series. Thank you David !
I believe you hit the nail on the head when you spoke briefly about Michael's rejection syndrome.
I can remember a time, not so long ago, that when news broke about Penske buying it all that I was over the moon excited for the future. Well here we are in that future and I feel like Penske buying it all may have been the worse possible thing that could have taken place lmao!
I mean if Tony G had to bail and there was no immediate buyer, I think we would have seen someone come along and pick up the pieces and probably completely reinvent the thing.
For the guy who broke from USAC to form CART who then bailed on CART for the IRL, I'm am just totally lost on why the guy has done not 1 significant thing to break from the old IRL ways. How can this be?
On track INDYCAR is awesome. The IMSA chassis would be a great move though
Michael Andretti buying Indycar would be awesome. Penske is not young enough to drive it for the next 15 yrs
Tim Cindric is.
Definitely not an engineer, but I'm curious if an F2 or Super Formula Chassis would be compatible with IMSA GTP engines. We are at the point where unified specs around the world are a necessary evil to keep costs in check.
It’s not fair for a team who competes in a series to own a series. Penske should’ve never been allowed to purchase Indycar and Indianapolis Motor Speedway
Andretti will be the new owner of Indy car!! Mark my words
Just want to put in my 2 cents. Andretti - Foyt - Penske should pack together. They should look back at the past and then look towards the future. What made Indy so great before the CART split? And how can they push the series forward towards the future while protecting the past? The answer is more than just the Indy 500 and putting the entire seasons viewership on that one race. But I think the biggest issue is the schedule being so spread out. Hard to gain momentum when you take a month off between 2 races. And one of the biggest things they need to avoid is allowing a media company to purchase the series. They will not have the best intent for the series in mind. There only goal will be - how do we sell more ads? It'll essentially become NASCAR where everything is sponsored, and then and then they still need split the racing up to take guaranteed extended commercial breaks to promote more ads. It's like watching F1 or really any major motorsports even in Europe. They spend the sponsorship dollars correctly so that they can take no to limited commercial breaks. I remember back in the early days of Speed (before Fox bought it), you could watch all the IMSA races including 24 hr races with out commercials. It was the best. It's the same with IMSA/Radio LaMans coverage of 24 hour races. The radio calls don't take ad breaks because they spend the money wisely. Racing shouldn't be about money. It should be about drivers racing for glory, and the fans getting one hell of a show. Focus on the product and the money becomes an extra benefit for those involved. You shouldn't have to be rich to go see a race in person and buy a t-shirt or hat from your favorite team/driver.
What happened to the news the FIA wanted to expand their F3, F4 in North America? F2 would be plug and play.
Indycar must be a category above F2, not parallel to it.
@@_Dibbler_ the question was asked for a competing series that could be used as a replacement for indycar. With f2 it wouldn't take much.
@@_Dibbler_ More like one lower, as in GP3.
i firmly believe Penske wants locked in spots for the Indy 500. This is his main push for self preservation of his team, the series is second. I was very happy when he took over Indy and IMS, but now iam starting to believe its becoming a conflict of interest
What would Liberty Media do with Indycar? Would they try to turn it into a Formula spec series?
Yep, GP2 US with no ovals but the 500
The positive view would be if F1 and Indycar were owned by the same group we could have the series coordinate schedules. Think alternate weekends when they race at separate venues and a couple races a year where you have double headers like indycar does with imsa.
@@sillydillybar but they wouldn't do that...F1 tried to kill IndyCar in the 90's by getting Tony George all wound up, they would never help IndyCar, only burry it deeper to make F1 the only big time open wheel series.
Having the most corrupt series and multi series team owner get away from it could be nothing but a good thing.
Most people knew that having Penske buy the series wouldn't turn out well.
They are doing the charters so that the NASCAR team doesn't get booted😮 from The 500 on Speed alone!
Larson is driving for McLaren, you idiot
Billionaire, tin cup, Penske can't get a 3rd engine manufacturer.😂😂😂
Maybe we need to hear from the engine manufacturers on why they don't want to participate. 😂😂😂
The history of The 1st & 2nd Splits (1979/1996) is appearing to repeat itself in some aspects, in terms of Penske not budging...
25/8 was rogers idea...and he thought he was brilliant until he told haas about it. and with that, carl tore pesky a new a**hole.
Summation: Change IS coming. What that change will look like is TBD.
Sorry if honda leaves indycar is dead
Unless they can attract another manufacturer and it's not looking good...IndyCar needs to get rid of requiring manufacturer badges...Judd, Cosworth, Meccachrome, all could supply engines, the "Chevy" engine isn't a Chevy but an Illmor with a Chevy badge.
I love Indycar the way it currently is regarding its racing and parity, but in regards to ownership we need a change soon. This sport might not even exist in 15 years if the ownership keeps running it into the ground like they have been for the past idk 28 years
I genuinely love Indycar and want to see it not die
and the main thing we need is ownership that actually wants to promote it and not drive away manufacturers
Penske needs to sell or the series dies on the vine
The nfl is coming hard at summer with their second series,
the WNBA is going to get tv time,
Olympics this year hurts,
MLB working hard on improving fan experience...
So what is Indycar's exciting thing this year? A double header in Milwaukee? 🙄
There is a lack of understanding in how to generate hype and drive interest.
Indy Car should always be a step above F2 and as close to F1 as realistically possible.
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@@ronbelanger4113 Moron. 😆
It’s a stagnant series, yes sell it.
How is it stagnant when you have 27 cars on the grid?
@@joakimtarnstrom4498 A lot of empty seats at races (especially at oval races), TV ratings are up, but not as high as it should be, still using basically the same cars from over 10years ago (no development or innovation whatsoever) and promoting the entire series is non existence.
@@ptl2007 I see no problem using an older chassis, especially since the current chassi provides good racing. A new chassi will only incur more costs and it will have no impact on audience. Any racing series needs to keep its cost at a sustainable level. So what is a sustainable level? To me that is when a series can attract a full field of competitors when the economy is bad, as in a recession. To increase your market share generally makes you more vulnerable to low tides in the economy. I say this as being part of national racing organisations in the country I live in since more than twenty years ago, now being the chairman of the competitors association of the series I am being part of - when other series struggle due to recession and what not, we thrive. Recipe: old chassis that can be run on a reasonable budget, organic growth instead of investments up front.
@@joakimtarnstrom4498F1 is kicking indycar's butt in America
The revenue for the F1 races
Las Vegas: $1.3 billion
COTA: $600 million
Miami: $350 million
Indy 500: $85 million
There is huge untapped potential in the US for racing, and Indycar hasn't been figuring it out for decades
@joakimtarnstrom4498 this car also races good...no need to change it if it's working...something NASCAR could learn! I'd rather have another engine supplier than a new car.
Andetti Cosworth. *Drops Mic*
This sounds like 1996 all over again. Why can't they learn from the past?
They should sell it. Americans are only talking about nascar and f1 while Indycar is by far the best product of all. Somebody should invest inti indycar who knows what he's doing. Penske dont know what he is doing.
Indy gets so much less money all year than F1 gets from one race in America it is crazy
Las Vegas race alone brought in 2x the revenue of the Super Bowl to the area.
Indy needs to copy the F1 model exactly and then tune it from there
I guess what I am saying is indycar needs less ego and more business smarts
Unfortunately I now believe it must be owned - probably both IMS and the Series - by someone who can't be blackmailed by the France family with troubles in Tech for the 2, 12 and 22 every week unless they get full access to IMS and no givebacks to Indycar.
I'm not sure Liberty's the right people either. I can't say I'm sure who is, but unlike the beginning of all this I don't think Roger is it.
GTP engines: interesting but could it be done with proper chassis integration?
Please, no damn charter system. You're in on speed, not just at Indy but every track. It's antithetical to the entirety of motorsport. That's NASCAR's thing let them do it.
Andretti needs to sell. His teams don't do jack!
The Acura GTP engine is basically the defunct Indycar engine isnt it?
Huh, the only 2 teams that have won championships in the series for such a long time are standing by each other... interesting..
The idea of adopting a chassis that can house GTP engines sounds great at first, but falls apart in application.
The various GTP engines have very different form factors, owing to their variety of backgrounds (indy, LMP2, DTM, etc…). Not a big deal when you’re developing the rest of the drivetrain, the bodywork, and to a degree, the chassis to suit, but a disaster if you want a universal chassis for all.
There’s no way to make that idea work without adding significant weight and bulk to the cars beyond what they have already.
Yes, the DW12 (more accurately IR18, but I digress) is “12 years old” on paper, but that’s not the reality of it. The platform has been updated year after year that it’s been in service, and the cars today are not close to what they were 12 years ago. Yes, it’s been an evolution of one design, but there is no glaring deficiency with the chassis. The optics of this are far worse than the reality.
I'm just saying, and you touch on it around the 5:00 mark, Michael is saying all of this as a prospective buyer. I believe this is him trying to force a hand
I would love to see Michael Andretti bye Indycar...
I personally don’t think there is much wrong with the series as it has improved since Miles has been CEO. Big things to look at:
1. How has INDYCAR not gotten to new markets or back to markets they once were very profitable overseas?
2. Car count is up, but everyone seems okay at 17 races. What would it take to get to 19-21 races?
3. Manufacturers…it’s been mentioned, but what about the threat of Honda leaving for NASCAR? If that happens, then the series is forced to look at matching regulations with another series.
4. Promotion at ovals…outside of Indy, where is the promotion teams pushing to sell out oval venues? Track capacities have shrunk for the better, but having 50% capacity is not a good look.
5. If Penske doesn’t sell, who takes over? I’d like to see Liberty Media only as while they do own F1, it’s more along the lines to see a crossover of the two and push INDYCAR on many of the items mentioned.
Liberty Medias prime focus ist to earn money with F1. Indycar has always been a competitor to F1, albeit a small competitor. If they´d buy it they would make sure its never going to be a threat to F1 and either close it down or keep it small. Is it that what you want? They need an owner that has a vision for Indycar alone, ideally a non profit organisation
@@_Dibbler_ Indycar is not competition to F1. If anything, Liberty Media would be able to expand its footprint further in areas F1 is not while staying loyal to the foundation. Liberty would lose money in acquiring Indycar and then just closing it up. Someone would start another series up and it would build up again. Liberty Media would make it better and do it quicker than Penske has the capacity to.
do you think miles did himself or any favors with the sh*t he pulled at pocono? mario was spot on, "they (miles) negotiated in bad faith".
Indy car needs to be over 1000HP with boost. Doesn’t have to be faster than F1 but definitely needs to have as much power. Weather that’s larger displacements or hybrids figure it out.
Indy car needs to go where F1 isn’t. Argentina, South Korea,South Africa Germany etc minimum 6 international trips. 3 before Indy 500 and 3 before the finale.
Lastly don’t allow for super high down force watching these guys slide the tire and drift out of corners is what makes it exciting and different then F1
Whatever the issue is, Indy Car provides without a doubt the best wheel to wheel racing.
The thought of Penske`s offspring inheriting the series and Indy worries me .
Porsche: Who should we get to run our factory WEC Hypercar team 🤔?
Wow. I couldn’t find qualifying on anywhere. So first race of the season and there is no TV or internet visual coverage? Just audio on the Indycar app? Is this true?
On Peacock. NBC streaming service.
I think practice and qualifying are on Peacock but I'm not sure, all the races are.
Spend 5 bucks a month for peacock! All of it is on there..indy nxt and imsa too
if charter comes they should add more slots for race spots.
probable that as Roger departs this world series will be sold.
Andretti has the right ideas. Penske has a track record of failure since he bought the series. Listen to Michael now before this series falls any further.
And honestly, Penske’s myopic view was evident when he was a team owner. He and every other 90’s era team owner are responsible for allowing the split due to their selfishness.
Forget F1, forget nascar. They are enemies to INDYCAR and always have been. And Penske and Tony G allowed them into INDY and then fostered the split which was the worst event in the history of open wheel racing.
Andretti is so wrong. Penske is the best thing that could happen to indy car
The biggest issue is series sponsorship and lack of teams. Until we see "bubble day" with 15 cars trying to get in, you won't see 200,000 at indy for Bubble day. The entire series is lacking overall.
Lol to think Ive held the opinion that Penske has been pretty bad for the series given all the failures since Penske took over. What a shitshow.
I don't see how the IMSA engine solution works with a spec chassis. IMSA is not a spec chassis. In IMSA chassis are built in combination with the engines (within the regulations).
Yes Indycar could work with Dallara to create a spec chassis that can fit and accommodate all the engines in IMSA. BUT there is no way a spec chassis can optimally accommodate each engine equally. It's going to inevitably work better with some engines than others.
Yes OEMs should compete and not necessarily be equal. Better OEM should be rewarded. The problem with IMSA model in Indycar it will not necessarily be about who makes the best engine, it will be about who makes the best engine for the Indycar spec chassis. But they're not being designed around the Indycar spec chassis they're being designed around their IMSA chassis.
IMS and Indy Car will be handed down the same way Team Penske will.
Yep.
I hear the criticism, but not much in the way of any solutions. There is just too little detail in the criticism to see what they really want.
He was one of the founders of CART. If memory serves, CART would pay teams $10,000 per car brought to a race. Now the teams have to pay??😮
I love the GTP idea. BMW, Porsche, and Lambo... DONE
It's stunning that a company with Penskes pedigree has run this series so poorly. Doing everything on the cheap, misstep after misstep, amateur hour type stuff. It takes money to make money, put some serious capital into the series and watch it explode into the series it should be!!
I keep hearing that Indy car has such great potential, if somebody would just invest in it. What, exactly, is this "potential"? Without fans it's all negative cash flow and negative return on investment.
No bucks, no buck rogers.....
INTERNATIONAL Races , thats what we need INTERNATIONAL !
While covid was 4 years ago, it could be that Chip does not believe there is anyone else currently who could guide the series through another similar disaster should it happen now. In that way I do think it is still relevant.
I know some formula 1 fans who are not too happy with Liberty Media so maybe they are not the way to go.
Glad Roger told them to get lost...I think Mark Miles is more bad for IndyCar than Penske ownership, bring in somebody like Randy Bernard back or Justin Marks and things would get better.
Could Andretti go with Honda to NASCAR?
Doesn’t AA own part of Spire Motorsport in NASCAR.
I see it at Detroit , yes pennskey should go !
Michael and a partner would be great new owners
It should have never left Belle Isle.
For the love of god we need more chassis and engine builders. This spec car all the same crap has to stop.
Sell to Michael!
F1 fan here and starting to love Indy Car racing. So many doomsayer here. Drama is nothing new in auto racing. Just check out the drama in F1. This is just a minor skirmish. Owners not agreeing is part of the course.
I don’t care how old Roger is that man’s involvement is without a doubt been the best thing that ever happened to indycar. You could not have a better,more committed Stuart for our sport…he loves it ,I am a happy fan who does not want a corporation to take the wheel like a young kid with no drivers license.
20 years ago the team trailers didn’t even have graphics on them. Roger Penske has more experience, and money involved, then everyone on CZcams combined