marketing bestie explains: the rise and fall of Emma Chamberlain
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- čas přidán 6. 06. 2024
- Did Emma Chamberlain outgrow her fans- OR did her fans outgrow her?
➢Why are people tired of Emma Chamberlain and are we witnessing the beginning to the end of the "Emma Chamberlain effect"?
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What are your thoughts on Emma's podcast & videos?
I love her podcasts. I haven't been listening to them as much but I do like her content!
She's over caffeinated 😅
Her content never appealled to me but i can recognize that she does have a huge influence particularly with white women
I totally agree with your stand, I also do not tune in to all of her podcast episodes and I am selective with every other podcast, youtube video - it's not like the creator has to please everybody. I do not think that it's the downfall of Emma, perhaps a part of her audience is changing, but what is the need to push someone down just because you (the listener) don't agree with her opinions or just random rant, the internet is odd sometimes.
I think just like you do
as a 21 year old girl, she had a huge influence on me from 2017-2021. i hope she’s doing ok. you can’t really expect her to be some great philosopher when she reached such massive success at a young age and didn’t need to continue school. if she wants to make aesthetic videos about her traveling or talk about nothing, i think she has the right. get over it
I know right, it always amazes me how many people seem to enjoy moaning about what others are doing. Everyone's tastes and personalities change over time but if you don't like Emma Chamberlain anymore just stop listening, unsubscribe etc. and get on with your own life.
Yeah, the hive mind and redundant repetitive criticism of “she needs school, she’s lost her relatability, she’s not profound. Yadi Yada” is driving it way past home. I do think think it’s just people having sour grapes and simply outgrowing something and getting sassy about it.
The whole contrived and parasocial schtick of ‘monetized relatability and authenticity’ is already a corporate dystopian concept.
Why are people so ready to follow into this cult of personality and help popularize someone because of this perceived relatability until they reach a point where they simply can’t be relatable anymore? because once they get a stack of money and deals for acting like ‘your cute little gremlin friend struggling through life with you’ the whole illusion breaks down.
LMFAOOO we're talking about her critical thinking skills 😭
AGREED
What did she do though? From what was described, it seems like she just existed and yall got excited over that for some reason?
Is the bar that low?
Some of yall act like you were born in quarantine, I'm having a hard time finding the appeal
The people insinuating they’re more qualified to, I’m sorry.. do what? Host a podcast? Or the people implying they are in some way better than her because they went to college, it’s actually so backwards. A degree doesn’t make you a better person, and tons of people succeed without degrees. They still deserve respect.
Ok, so i watched another video talking about it, and no, the critics were about how her podcast show a lack of critical thinking or that she doesn't really know how to research her topic so in the end she talks about topics like a high schooler.
Americas obsession with college or university degrees is only toped by south korea I think (highest suicide rate from all first world nations btw.). Spending a fortune on sometimes useless degrees for jobs you def. dont need to go to college for and then having an amount of debt that would make me cry. And dont even get me started about free education nowadays. The internet is amazing and offers more equality in accessibility of education. When everyone has a degree, it loses its value too. Those degrees used to be for the most academicly gifted and now you need one to work a normal office job? Pointless. I have a full time job as designer in an agency and never went to university. It was all about skills and my works when I applied. I am also rooting hard for people learning crafts again. This is dying out and everything gets made in China.
@@MinieAnne She's just voicing her opinions and if people don't like them...then don't listen to them. She never claimed to be some kind of "intellectual" she rambles alot... She could do research...but she doesn't, because she is expressing herself, she's not "informing" people on the topic she's talking about. Again she's expressing *her opinions*
It’s 2023. I thought we’ve all gotten over the “people who go to college are better” mentality.
@@Nikki-lh1tuokay but if that’s the case, her opinion won’t give any influence, no one is going to listen to someone, who didn’t research about a topic. I understand everyone is free to express themselves but her opinion will be meaningless and no one would listen to her, which it doesn’t benefit her. Why do they mention people in college? because most of them do their research about their topics they spent time doing it. Of course anyone can do it without going to college but SHE isn’t doing it that’s why. If she wanted to stay relevant (she’s an influencer) she has to do the work
She is humble and I think that triggers ordinary people, ironically.
I have to agree.
The one thing that pisses me off the most is people making "going to uni" as a measure to your intelligence. I hate this a lot. You're not better because you find it easy to remember things. University is not for everyone.
And college debt is not for everyone
i agree with this but dumbing uni down to "finding it easy to remember things" is a bit much. it's much more work than that
Thank you for saying this.
Yes, but College is critical thinking and that is exactly what Emma needs. You have to write essays that argue a point in college. Emma’s podcasts meander and lack perspective
I interpret the go to college comment differently. I think every 18year old should go to a college, trade school or program, or the military. These avenues after high school help you learn about yourself while easing you into adulting.
For non native English speakers, many language teachers recommended her podcast when learning English as a 2nd/3rd language. Her podcast is easy to digest, her vocab is inclusive and simple to follow. I appreciate how she explains the definition of the topic first. I like the conversational style. Just because her critics find it “unintellectual “ doesn’t mean it isn’t a chill alternative learning resource for others. No one has fact checked her podcast analytics. She’s one of the top podcasts in her category. Its mostly privileged classist middle class girls that look like her pushing the “goto college” comparisons. It’s giving envious, crab in barrel.
She also speaks slowly and isn’t a huge mumbled. I’m a native English speaker but I wish all the languages I was interested in weren’t from fast talking cultures 😭🫶
I’m thinking it could also be resentment. She was a “peer” for her generation, and managed to be the 1% to get famous/rich via influencing. When everyone else got older, I’d wonder if resentment and detachment grew because they truly are not “peers” anymore nor have similar (thus relatable) experiences. 🤷🏻♀️
this
I feel like she’s the one who wants to still be viewed as a peer but her content isn’t hitting the mark. She is free to do what she wants, but her content doesn’t hit the brand she’s built. If she wants to continue to be viewed that way, she needs to do a market reassessment of shift gears. If not, it’s just sub-par lifestyle vlogging.
@@barely5feet818 true
70% of lottery winners go bankrupt within a few years. Looks like all these fast influencer's similar to that. They made randomly famous by their followers and when those followers want they dethrone them. Only few can survive this thos who existed and work on themselves without social media enabling or for approval
Some people say Emma is a pretty girl with pretty privilege - but seeing her in unflattering ways, her with acne and a messy bun and burping on screen makes her look like a very average,regular girl despite her family being better off than most viewers. Seeing a regular girl like yourself make it to fame and success and get invited to all these fashion shows and suddenly get elevated with fancy makeup and clothes - I agree, I think there's an element of jealousy and resentment. Many are probably questioning how is she worth being invited to all these events and hosting the met bc they saw her in her flaws
my question is ... like when did emma ever say her podcast was an advice or self help podcast? if you're looking to a 22 year old for advice who made money making youtube videos, that's your own fault lol
Exactly. She's just continuing to make videos the way she always has - only now she's very very rich
people out here attacking anyone and everything while people are just doing what they feel like doing… and this anorexic girl who gives bs advice on losing weight is also shitting on emma lol it’s all ironic
Lmao this
When I listen to Emma’s podcast, it’s like listening to a friend talk about a topic that has been on her mind. She talks in a slow pace and sometimes her words doesn’t match her thoughts (I’ve been there too). People need to realise that she is a real person and not just someone on our screens to watch when are bored of real life. She might not have a degree but she is a living creature on earth and has her own thoughts on life and what happens around us. And she wants to share them with us, we can at least be grateful for that. We need to see life without cuts and edits, without filters.
+ People change, and if you can’t accept that then you need to learn how to because change is a part of life.
THISSS!!! ❤
Yeah, I'd also sound like an idiot sometimes if I had these types of conversations with myself instead of my friends encouraging me to clarify my thoughts and/or asking questions in response. None of us have fully formed, articulate thoughts out of our mouth every time, no matter your level of education. (and for anyone who thinks it's relevant, I have 2 masters degrees that I got because I felt it was helpful to me, definitely not necessary for my career path)
exactly what i wanted to say
yes! i love that her podcast isn't super structured and formal
soooo agreee! was never attracted to any emma content until her podcasts, it allows me to just be
Why bash her for living her best life? I sense jealousy in some of their tone. And they tellin’ her to go to college for “experience” whereas she travelling the world and meeting with new people everyday is the kinda experience that they or some of us would never be able to get in life. And good for her. Those girls were being really close minded and short sighted and IT SHOWS…
Exactly 😎
i soo agree she is living her best life
It's definitely jealousy. People who watched her before liked her cause she was like them, now she is more successfull, which makes them mad.
I only started listening to her podcast recently and even though I'm not as established as her, I still find her relatable in a lot of ways.
They want her to go to college so that she’s more informed on topics like mental health which she preaches poorly about to a child audience
@@annanicole5494you don’t need college to be well informed
How petty do you have to be to bring up college to someone who already has a successful career on their own, like not everyone is gonna live the same life get over it, we're not robots
I think even though Emma didn’t go to college, she learned a lot of other skills, for example networking etc. I am from Europe (Germany) where a lot of people are still learning trades instead of going to uni. In fact in some industries it is better to get practical experience. Honestly for me it is more inspirational how she grew her business essentially and a lesson in confidence and do what you want to.
Isn't she from a rich family ?
@@MinieAnneno
@sophie.travel Unter uns, kommt es mir generell so vor als würden die Leute das mit dem College nur sagen, weil - wie mein Alter aus den US stammender Lehrer sagen würde - erst ab da wirklich Bildung losgeht und das auf einem Niveau, was bei uns mit der 5. - 10. Klasse vergleichbar wäre. Kommt zwar auch aufs Fach an, aber vom Prinzip her 😂 und ich glaube ihm das, aber dementsprechend beginnt für viele wohl erst dort dieses gewisse tiefere Denken und dann fühlen die sich somewhat schlauer als alle nicht-Studis usw. usf….. ist zwar irgendwie ein Klischee, dass das Bildungssystem dort schwächelt und ich bin kein Fan davon Klischees blind zu glauben, aber das wäre meine Erklärung dafür … dennoch sind viele Amerikaner ja nicht blöd in der Birne.. NA JA egal 😂 Ende meines Romans.
Sehe ich sehr ähnlich. Hab auch die zehnte in USA gemacht und Chemie auf einem 11/12 Level war das was wir in der 7/8 Klasse gemacht haben @@mariechenls.
@@MinieAnne yes lol. they literally have several properties in san fransisco. she did well being 'normal' and mocking the extreme lifestyle vloggers and their ott brand trips and designer gear she just now is at the same stage as those she mocked
These are some of the dumbest allegations I’ve ever heard. People would really make a problem out of anything
The judgement is gross.. all of these people need to look in a mirror and get over themselves.. not everything everyone does is an attack on them, or about them. The “I’m offended” trend has gotten old
This
Speaking as a Milennial who is only vaguely familiar with Emma, this was a very fair analysis. Emma isn't a regular teenager anymore. She's gone from being recorded in her kitchen to be recorded on red carpets. Her life experience is unique. So if she's no longer relatable to you, that's fine. It's disappointing, but it's not the end of the world. Find someone else to listen to. On the other hand, it's clear Emma needs a sounding board or collaborators so she can gain more perspective. That will greatly enhance her podcast alone.
Let her make the content she wants to make, like it might not be personally what people want, but she’s rich enough to not need to adhere to what the people want.
“Rich enough to not need to adhere to what the people want” rich people never /need/ to adhere to what the people want. But a podcast needs listeners, and those listeners can suggest improvement. It’s simply criticism on a product
@@dotcom3015 I agree it is valid criticism, yet she doesn’t need to listen. She makes podcasts but it’s her piece of art it’s her creation. What she does with it is her choice.
@@Amandalamaa which she is paid millions of dollars to do by a platform that is trying not to pay actual musicians if they don’t reach a certain amount of streams. It’s not to crazy to ask her to structure her podcast or put in some more effort for her /job/
@@dotcom3015it’s not criticism, it’s hate. And those are different things
@@persykelli in this video? The examples weren’t really hateful. It seemed like they thought they were giving suggestions that would improve her content, at least the ones that I have seen in full, the other ones were cut off. Most of these people, seemed to have listened to her podcast. That’s means that they are consumers of her product. Even if they have a negative opinion on her product, it’s still feedback
I think she is more down to earth than most influencers. Sure, she is not gonna be able to talk about normal experiences bc guess what? She didnt have a normal life. She got famous at 16 and quit school and is a millionaire and the age of 22, OF COURSE she is not gonna be relatable to most people. That doesn’t mean what she has to say is completely stupid and void. If you are lookinh for relatability, big influencers who live in LA and have their own companies in their 20’s and never had to get close to a university are not gonna give you that relatability, honey. Simple as that. Also I dont think she is trying to become a “voice of a generation” with her podcast. She just wants to be able to make a living out of content without having to leave her bed sometimes. Anyone here woudl do the same if they had the opportunity, lets be honest. So yeah, if she feels like evolving her content, great, if not, thats not your problem boo, go find something else to listen to.
The people saying Emma needs to go to college just seem presumptuous. I feel like this also connects to the whole "what about me" discussion, with people not realizing that not every single piece of media has to cater to them and thats okay, they can just watch something else. Those people are like "i used to like her but now i changed and i dont like her anymore so she also has to change", thats so self-centered. I feel like the whole "she needs to go to college" was just said by someone and everyone else took it and run with it, feeling so smart and sophisticated but they went to college so theyre better than her.
I agree with you. If something just don't like it anymore, you just get away from it. You don't need to put on a show.
@@MusicLover-cr9hztik tok loves to do this lmao. they love someone until they gain too many opportunities and success, then they start to hate and call them a sell out.
@@user-hp5cf5kf8k Literal. It's nonsense. They need a life.
But most people aren’t saying it to be pretentious lol they want her to be educated so that she’s not preaching awful advice related to mental health to children
I feel bad for Gen Z for being so obsessed with being aesthetic and not being cringe. "Cheugy" was the worst thing that happened to this generation. I wish people could just explore and be themselves without constant online criticism and group-think mentality. Social media has made this so bad.
And by the end of the 2020s the gen Alpha kids will be calling gen z old and embarrassing. Everything is a little old and embarrassing with time. It's ok y'all
This is the first time I hear of Emma Chamberlain
Lol, I thought I was living under a stone or something as I also never heard of her😅
😂😂😂😂😂
Same here 😂
Me too. Maybe we are too old? 😅
Lol, same, just the doja cat interview at the met gala
people taking her podcast so seriously are so funny to me..
I really like that you acknowledged the fact that everyone is in an echo chamber of their own to some extent. I think it’s a great point seeing as the term echo chamber is thrown around so much, without people realising that they are also in one
People(…especially other women) love to watch women getting burned at a stake, ie, getting “cancelled”. To society, many female influencers are being waited out until they are cancelled.
Society is highly critical towards women, in a way that it is not so critical towards men. I genuinely, strongly believe that a guy in Emma’s place would not be so strongly observed.
In fact, in this sense, Emma is perfectly self deprecating. In other words, she’s humble, which is a quality lost in Gen Z. And yet, simultaneously, she is being bullied by those who simply see her as competition, in a society where becoming an influencer is so obviously easy.
Gen Z’s morals are where narcissism meets herd mentality. I say this as a Gen Z myself. Most of us are hyper focused on watching women get ‘burned at the stake’.
As much as we like to believe we are morally better than everyone, we’re not. We’re just awful human beings who get gratification from seeing people get cast out from society
underrated comment and i agree
I am a woman and you must live under a stone. Men are torched for the smallest things since many years. Stupid, screeching feminists and woketards are coming for them for the most benine things in the most vile ways. Men have so much expectations put on them that women refuse to notice too. Women are more easily overwhelmed and affected by social pressure and thats why you hear more about their struggle. Men either swallow it or dont care at all. Do you want a list of male youtubers getting criticised for absolute nonsense over the last years? It would be a long read. Mr. Beast gets attacked for helping people and saving lifes....let that sink in.
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Did chatgpt write this😂
@@Maryamrockify no, an autistic 20 year old woman wrote it
What annoys me is that they say that she doesn’t have anything profound to say and perceive to repeat the exact same thing as if they came up with it themselves, I don’t think they even realise it
She's an eccentric person and is therefore interesting even in mundane settings/ topics. She's challenging this expectation that she show off her wealth, looks, glow up with fame and is instead filming herself with a microphone in bed with glasses and frumpy clothes. Gives normcore vibes to me. Seems clear she's challenging conspicuous consumption and expectations of how women should look or wealth looks. I like her and I like her direction.
That's the video the internet needed! Went to college but still enjoy listening to her podcast every now and then. It's easy to follow and nice to hear someones basic opinions on such topics. Those TikTok girlies need to chill and look for new inspiration without hating on someone they had outgrown.
I study in university rn and still relate to her in a lot of ways. Ppl need to chill with the jealousy
Philosophy is pretty much just individual opinion that one subjects themselves to follow and live by. I dont think anyone has any right to reduce the validity of HER own philosophy.
You’re absolutely correct I wish more people had the brain cells to understand this
I just see haters personally…she doesn’t claim to have a philosophy degree or anything. She’s just talking and sharing her thoughts on things. Like a friend. And that’s absolutely fine.
i love how kind and understanding you are to other people❤ always seeing good in people but at the same time being realistic
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I didn't know who Emma Chamberlain was before watching this video, but it does strike me that she is someone whose success was based on her personality and intelligence level as a teenaged school drop-out. She was richly rewarded for her traits at that age, and thus never had to do the things the audience had to- she never finished school or got her GED, never went to college and/or got a job. Ultimately, it seems she is being rejected for getting stuck in the rut she was being rewarded for being in, which seems a bit unfair to her on one level. On the other hand, the fact that she has not diversified to achieve growth in other ways lays at least part of the blame at her feet.
Her success coming firstly from her being from a wealthy family . The rest goes well when u have 🤑
@@slavvalb3933she’s not from a wealthy family at all. she’s talked about her upbringing on her youtube and podcast many times
@@slavvalb3933her family’s “wealth” had nothing to do with emma’s success. her family could be literal billionaires yet if she didn’t pick up her camera and post videos everyday she wouldn’t be where she is today period. some people just have amazing personalities and worked for what they have, u don’t have to convince yourself the opposite to make it seem like money got her to where she is. especially when her first videos show no signs of wealth, just a regular white girl
@@CORMEAYE oh 😂 even to buy a a good camera u need to have money. Let me tell you something if not for her parents , she would be a regular person working 9 to 5 and struggle financially. It takes money to make money. If not for her family she would be working her behind , like a regular people do. I know yet another really talented and incredible person, Dieter Meier , leading singer of YELLO , Swiss music band. He came from a very wealthy family . But, he worked hard to be where he is now. His talent , as he said, also with his family wealth , made him reach the stars. At least he was decent enough to say that without his family wealth ,in conjunction with his talent he would not be where he is now.
@@slavvalb3933 what camera? she literally filmed her inital vlogs on her iphone as do most people just starting out (myself included). like what’s the next excuse? it cost $0 to start a youtube channel. that’s literally the beauty of it. anyone can make it on here with consistency & good content & Emma just happened to have both plus a very charming personality. she never flexed her money or anything designer. literally came on here looking bummy, pimples, hair not done, doing dollar tree hauls lol. that’s literally why people fell in love with her, where exactly does money come in here?
"College makes you a relatable, real person!!" I know a lot of smart, amazing people who couldn't afford or manage college. Equating university enrollment to some sort of superiority is classist (and ableist).
Thank you for pointing out that we are ALL in an echo chamber. And that college itself is an echo chamber. Sounds like a lot of criticism from her audience because they are holding themselves to the standards that is being pushed on them so they want to blame her for not holding herself to the same standard.
As someone who has spent too much time in uni, its definitely not for everyone. I don't think you are necessarily 'smart' if you go to uni/college and it's super rude to insinuate that someone 'should' go. But it is also annoying when people believe that uni just provides you with intellectual knowledge - uni is place to meet different people, make connections, and understand other's opinions. I'm certain you can have these experiences outside of uni, but for some of us, uni is the place where we learned about who we are and met some of our closest friends - so its understandable why people believe uni is for everyone (when its not). In the end, its Emma's choice and saying she needs to college/uni is extremely arrogant.
Hi Zoe I like your take on this, really good thought processing. It’s just life, once people put you on a pedestal they unrealistically expect you to stay frozen in time forgetting that you’re human too. It’s just a basic human bias. We have to understand that she’s fully human and so are we, we are only able to criticize her because she’s doing something with her life and it’s being shown to a massive audience. It’s okay to outgrow people, it’s just what it is fr.
Her fans don’t understand they’re adults like hun this is met gala going Emma not beginner tuber Emma….
Watch someone else……
People are so annoying if you don’t like her don’t watch her lmao
I love her podcast because she talks about things that pretty much everyone goes through, normal day to day life situations. Even small relatable things she talks abt makes me feel somewhat more understood and it feels like ft with a friend
and I also feel like it's important to mention that she had an influence on AMERICAN teenagers. She's barely known here in France
i watched emma around 5 years ago till maybe last year, and i've only listened to maybe 2 or 3 episodes of her podcast
it was never that serious, imo, everything that she has put out was always personal in a way that it's like she's thinking out loud and on the internet, processing her thoughts as she's filming, personally i've never taken what she said seriously like a source of information ykwim, it's more like an entertainment since it is her own thoughts on camera, like it's kind of hard to explain so i hope it makes sense
also, i've felt this since she stopped putting much "effort" in her videos, i.e. forcing the algorithm using thumbnails and loud titles, she's changed professionally to another tier of popularity, yes the met gala, vogue, fashion week, the new house, honestly i think popularity isn't the right word but the brain is not braining atm, example that i think is similar is with nailea devora but i think nai is a bit grounded but still closely in that category of popularity
i think the change is for the better, i'm glad that she's grown so much, like it's crazy how much relatability can do, and whatever she's gonna do with people putting out bullshit on her, i hope she's not taking it seriously as i didn't to her shit lol, do what you wanna do girl ong
I think we need to recognise that she is a human too. And not just some creature or machine behind a screen,,, she will grow and change,, and it is not in our place to judge that someone has grown to be different than what we had known before and what we were comfortable with. What we can do is find some creator that suits us , that is relateable to us. We can grow out of situations and people and that is totally okay and it is not their duty to change as we do.(I haven't watch her videos or listen to her podcasts but that's just what i thought )
I wish i could just enjoy things in peace. I love emmas stuff because its such mundane things. its honestly a breath of fresh air for me.
she feels like my high school friend that i went out of touch with once we graduated
College doesn’t make someone smart or a critical thinker. Some people genuinely don’t want to go to college. I’m a full time student/mom/worker and it’s easy to get burnt out. People are just hateful towards Emma for no reason. Her podcast is just what ever she wants to talk about. Who cares ?
Betting 10 bucks TikToks algorithm is gonna show me endless videos of Emma Chamberlin after this
Hahahahhaa fr
Put on the tin foil hat
I sit at a coffee shop in my university listening to her podcasts at least once a week. I don't expect the podcast to be intellectually stimulating or lifechanging, its just something to enjoy while I go about my day. I do agree that sometimes her topics can be on the simple side but I appreciate that when I am mentally exhausted from my course work. It feels like I am listening to a friend ramble about life and thats why I enjoy it.
One of my best friends LOVES her and i didnt even know who she was until my bestie introduced me to her. I dont feel like she’s so different than others, but i dont know her so who am i to judge.
Ah influencers. The relatable celebrities that are becoming less and less relatable. I'll exclude you from that Zoe! Love you!
Why the hell should everyone be relatable or represent people? Why? We all watched movies and shows that had NOTHING to do with our lifes and loved it. We all watched interviews with people who have lifes totally different from ours and thats what made it fun. We want to see things that are a different reality sometimes. If I want relatable stuff only, I would record myself and the mundane things around me all day. Not everythign has to be about me.
SOOO true, there’s power in being not being relatable and having new perspectives
I had a nice LOL when Emma asked herself if she was really about to cry right now. Thats the whole problem with putting your entire life online, your never alone with yourself and the thing gets stuck down inside you.
Hell i am a millennial and still love Emma!
Even though she is six years younger than me, i still found a lot of her content relatable and refreshing to that of other creators
there was just something about her all over the place chaos that was calming to me
she wasn’t who i would go to for anything profound or super deep, she was just a vibe and a comfort for me
Same! I’m an “Elder Millennial” (1984)…so I’m 17 years older than her. I started following Emma during the pandemic and love her!
She seems more authentic and genuine now and that’s sad because you can clearly see how much pain she’s in. You can literally see the depression appear in her eyes in the past few years. I never liked her or her content but I’m realizing now that she actually is trying to be real and I respect that I feel bad for her getting all this hate and videos being made about her at such a young age when she’s trying to do her best. I wanna give her a hug.
Edit: also shout out a youtuber who encourages discussions even if people have differing opinions I love that.
If nobody hates you then you weren't real enough. That's the price you gotta pay for it and yes now she's finally being true to herself, and she has to learn to accept it
(as in no it's not a good thing that people hate on each other but if they do, you have to learn to not let it bother you)
It happens to me with every youtuber once they make ther New Home Tour Video or Fancy Nursery Tour, they just keep doing the same thing but at bigger scale and focused around their lives instead of the original toppic. By that point some people become die hard fans, some are new to their channels, and some just drop them and find something new. It's the cycle, maybe it is the first time many of her fans face this dilema.
And after so many year the parasocial relationship reaches a high point and people feel like their personal friend is drifting away, it hurts and so you voice your concern.
but no one is forcing them to listen to her podcast tho..?
what i dont get is why everyone thinks she needs to be relatable. like why don't you enjoy listening to unique people with their own experiences, thoughts and feelings? so weird to me how they seem like they want everyone to be like themselves.
I didn’t have the opportunity to go to college. My parents instructed me to get a job in fast food and work through jr college but we lived about an hour and 1/2 away from the nearest one. I didn’t have a car yet and every time I was meant to use my parents car I still had to ask that morning to make sure I could still go to where I was scheduled to go, so It was hard to try to figure out how to buy a car but also go to college. Loans were not an option. I was already involved in arts and music and the nearest college wasn’t a place to further that. It all became too overwhelming so I started working with kids and got into teaching. A lot of people are kind and supportive about it but there are a lot of people who are just down right cruel about my intelligence.
I still think her podcast is relatable I love her content to this day whether its something I could do someday or not its good entertainment I enjoy. She seems like a really caring genuine person. I had no idea people dislike her now... and it's okay to have changes in taste of what they enjoy. But is downfall taking it too far???
reactions to the video: zoe always such a great job explaining things and every point she made was so true. but in the end its important that we use our time/money etc to invest in what we want to do, and what makes us most happy or content.
Please talk about Kpop k-dramas C-dramas industries and theirs effect on the young generation today, love you Zoe
I agree with everything you said!!!!! YESSSSSSSS thank you for sticking up for her and being KIND!
I love emma's podcast. It's so raw and engaging. As for the college argument, I know so many people in their masters degree that refuse to even touch any topic on emotional intelligence.
She's talked about this on a new CZcams vid, "An Unfiltered Conversation with Emma Chamberlain," but she said that she's really transforming and evolving her creative approach/outlet right now, and she's in no rush and she's enjoying letting things unfold. She's in a good place, and I'm personally really excited for the ride as well. I think we're too quick to use words like "downfall," because we all go through ebbs and flows, especially on a creative platform.
Awesome video. I love how you went about this
im so glad u made a video about this
I really appreciate the kindness and compassion you approach this topic with. She’s still young. And we learn continuously throughout our lives, changing. I agree that the “needs to go to college” argument sounds elitist and honestly quite old fashioned. No one has it all figured out, and Emma is trying to say that she does. There’s some really kind comments on here! I loved the point about just because she’s got a bit of hate on tiktok recently, it doesn’t mean she’s gonna change herself for that- we connect with different people at different times, and so I think there’s an audience for everyone/everything.
15:22 I love that you’re talking about making sure that we seek influence outside of our circles. I am an essential worker at a hospital and we deal with compassion fatigue. It sounds like the same thing. We are very prone to depression and anxiety. Get outside and touch grass, or read a book!❤
Considering the amount of idiots who have a degree I'm cringing a lot hearing these girls acting like they're so much better than Emma because they went to college. Them having this discourse is even an actual proof that they actually kinda suck as people. They suddenly realised that yes Emma isn't a philosopher and that made them feel like they're above her.
I used to watch her vlogs, I never caught on her podcasts because indeed it wasn't anything groundbreaking but never once did I thought the reason her podcast lacked depth was because of the lack of a fckng degree. I don't even have a degree myself yet I still know how to think critically like...seriously, they sound incredibly elitist and while doing so they not only shit on Emma but also on the majority of people who didn't go to college. Literally just calling people dumb. It's a sad thing to see.
love the video but little zoom in n outs r so annoying
Do you agree or disagree with the criticisms toward Emma's pod?
I like her ❤
Disagree. She has great conversation topics and discussions, plus I find her comforting to listen cause it feels like a convo with a friend
Personally, I find her style of conversation to be something fresh and that can accompany you in your free time. It's like talking with a friend.
known about her for a few years. never saw the "it thing" and never cared about her. she might be big, but in this world, you can have a large following , and yet A LOT of people still don't know who she is. a lot of people in LA know her, but she's not that big in europe etc. so i really couldn't care less. all of this "i am so relatable" is always a phase that doesn't last long AND it usually a little put on - to seem like the cool chill girl.
People need to understand not everything is made for them. They may not find it deep or interesting but others will. I know that I’m not really a podcast listener myself (apart from sometimes listening to trash taste and frenemies) so I know that I’m not going to go out of my way to listen to hers. Also if people genuinely think that university makes you a critical thinker, then I’m concerned. You don’t need to be in education to be able to think and learn, we’re humans that’s what we’re supposed to do in our lives regardless of whatever institutions that exist. Also I’ve met so many people at university who don’t even think in general so thinking critically is too far out of their skill set.
Emma addressed in one of her video's that she did finished highschool.
Why are people so obsessed with college in my country so many people have degrees but are jobless and they forget skills sre importsnt at the end of the day its just a piece of paper but you csn be successful either way .
i love emma. i started watching her at 11 and now I'm 17. I feel like I have grown with her content. its lighthearted, genuine and entertaining. shes an artist and makes art (podcasts) based off of what inspires her. shes humble and acknowledges her lack of credentials in discussing some topics but does it nonetheless because its interesting to her. listening to her is like having a convo w a friend. ya, you might not have a degree in relation to the topic your discussing, but that doesn't mean you cant get something out of the convo...
Why do people just WANT her to have a downfall so bad?💀 the girls who tell her to go to college to educate herself or whatever are the same ones who say “ don’t tear down other women🥺”. This generation is full of hypocrites I’m sorry.
And why are they suddenly talking about her education, intelligence?? She hasn’t done one thing that would make me even question her intelligence. The people who say that know that Emma has everything they ever wanted and the only the she doesn’t have is a college degree so they want to hold at least SOMETHING against her to make themselves feel better. Jealousy
For real, weren't those the same people preaching about mental health and shit, if someone dropped out they must have had a reason to do it. But for some reason with Emma college is where they draw the line?
@@suiiuu exactly💀 they’re talking about college as if they have 30 different PhDs
Hello from Texas ❤
Just discovered your channel and I really love it ! Thank you !
Long time I don’t see your videos, just appeared on my main page. I found Emma a few weeks ago and I love her podcast, she’s very mature for someone her age. All your points are very relevant. ❤❤❤❤
Vibe check is an amazing podcast for getting tea, news, and great book recommendations ❤
never expected emma to be a philosopher, just a girl in her 20s going through thoughts most of us are having and it blows my mind ppl hold her to such a high standard. it’s not like she’s spreading misinformation she brings guests on with more qualifications than she has to talk about certain topics which i actually really appreciate especially her cultish ones
Not the EC Levi's ad on this video 😂
I have been loving her since 2017 and I still love listening to her. It is like hearing a friend talk, so no, I don’t think this is her downfall 🫶 people are just jealous bc they are salty :/
Are soon as you said going to school is not the same as learning, I clicked the like button. You're so right for that.
Thank you for not shaming any females in your video. You bring up great points (as a 22 year old) who loves Emma, grew up watching her. I graduated college. We all as of a collective need to stop being so judgmental. Emma lived the same life as us, but got lucky because she is talented and doesn’t know how to relate to her audience as much anymore because she is older, and lived in the fame.
The classism and comparisons aren't cute. It's ok to not feel connected to her, but to drag someone for choices that only affect personal growth doesn't seem to be the real problem people have with her.
It’s definitely not her “downfall” she had an incredibly successful career and that isn’t stopping anytime soon.
I'm 41 and I think her podcast is great! She's emotionally intelligent and successful, people should listen. ❤
I am just happy people are allowing themselves to learn and think about whatever thoughts they have and deep philosophical question they may be interested in. Because way to few humans are interested in learning or discussing subjects bigger than themselves.
she has always been relatable to middle class white girls mostly. that’s why i never found her relatable or entertaining at all.
I'm a middle class white girl and I've never found her content entertaining or understood the hype
But I don't think she deserves the hate
This was said so well.
I actually like her podcast. Most of the time I can relate to what she is saying but occasionally it gets a little out of touch. But I cant expect someone who has a completely different life style than me to be relatable.
I have never heard of her until today. I don't understand what the fascination is with her. it just goes to show there are a lot of people with low self-esteem and self-worth.
Off topic but i love your outfit in this vid
i didn't even know who was Emma Chamberlain before this video 🥲
it will never be a true zoey video without sirens.
All the charges of her to be uneducated are pure classism, there is no other way to call it. Basically all over the western world the cultural field is a prerogative of high class people, it's a locked environment; you can access to it only if you belong to specific social groups. Can she improve? Of course she can but, really, this is not the point: people are not criticize her for her content, they are just hating her with classist insults.
The thing about influence is that it's fleeting. It never, ever lasts. Stay in school, kids.
I only saw her at events interview stars and she seemed so sweet...😅
Luckily I didn't look into her further...
i love emma, everyone’s different. if u don’t relate u don’t, i’m still only 17 but i’m also somewhat in her shoes. not everyone is interested in the same basic life goals everyone pushes u. we all hav different things to figure out, underrated or not
I adore Emma. Her videos really help me through depressing times. She's nostalgic, and fresh, and new,all at one time!❤❤❤
No because she’s literally still around and hasn’t stopped She still posts and is making bank from fashion lines and other products.
honestly my problem with the high school drop outs to influencers is that they are boring and all the same. they are most likely to get bored of doing only content and just complain about how hard is to be an influencer. i think college or some sort of other school or course (or even part time job in idk café) would stimulate them enogh to give them ideas for more valuable content instead of talking about the same things over and over again. living in the la bubble also does more harm than good because they are getting out of touch with the rest of the world. in my country (poland) there is the same thing with every youtuber/influencer moving to warsaw to do their career so it's just a norm among this group of people.