Star Trek: Picard S2 Episode 9 is MY 1ST EVER 0/10!!?! - Angry Rant/Review
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 27. 04. 2022
- Star Trek is Dead. My first EVER 0/10 as talentless writers destroy a once proud great and intelligent franchise with gobbledy gook! IF I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS SO DO YOU! WATCH THIS! EVEN IF YOU DONT WATCH THE SHOW!
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I've got to admit, I've been looking forward to this episode of The Angry Joe Show. Who needs Picard when you can watch Joe lose his mind in real time?
This is way more entertaining and you don't have to support terrible member berries made by people who don't have a clue what made the originals (or any show) good.
Itâs definitely more enjoyable. I know Iâm not watching Picard. I still got old TNG and DS9 to watch.
I haveât seen a single episode of this season. Iâve only seen Joe and RLM. I absolutely love this season so far
Ahh yes I member
Agreed, watching the gang react to all these bad shows recently is more entertaining than the shows themselves.
First 0/10? Would never have thought Star Trek of all things would earn that rating, but then this isnât really Star Trek is it?
This show is the Star Trek Trexels of Star Trek TV shows.
Go woke go broke
Its woke bullcrap.
@@diane6378 I haven't seen the show nor planning to, but what's woke about it?
@@brokenboy351 the message overshadows the content. The show is merely a platform. No subtlety. No interest in exploring complex issues. Even if you agree with the message it hammers you so much in a hamfisted way that the story becomes a mockery of itself, and characters start to look like caricatures . The audience can see the blatant attempts and it takes you out of the world, poorly constructed as it is.
Iâm guessing itâs some of that.
This is not to be confused with progressive writing that was often present in later seasons of TNG and DS9 and was prepared to look into issues with various sides allowed to state their case. Even when it wasnât subtle, it was generally interesting and there were very little easy conclusions.
Other Joeâs comments always get me more than anything else
âStop pretending to be the writersâ lmaoooo
You know that it's a complete dumpster fire when you look forward to and are more excited about watching Joe rip it to shreds than the actual show itself! R.I.P. Star Trek 1966-2020
Nope it's, 1966-2009.
@@Persian-Immortal Naw it died as soon as the first episode of Picard came out up until that point there was still some hope left IMO.
I do have some faith in "Strange New Worlds". It has to be better than this s**t!
Poor Patrick Steward. He was a legend with Star Trek, TNG. Now... =/
Star Trek ended in 2009 with J.J. Abrams. When he gave permission to NOT fix the timeline, and allowed "writers" to create their own "truth," and own messed up timeline, this is the dumper fire that will not be put out... I love Alex. "I'm glad that you're living YOUR truth." lol. Classic. (31:00)
The realization in Joe's eyes that if he rates this episode a 1/10, then he is insulting every film that he has ever labeled a 1/10.
I think he was hesitant because it opens a can of worms for future reviewing. I would simplify what a ZERO means by classifying it as 2 things. 1) Non functional on all levels as a story and entertainment, and 2) Actually harmful to watch as a fan. What I mean is a story so bad that it breaks existing stories AND makes it almost impossible to repair with future writing with a major overhaul or mulligan.
@@SSingh-nr8qz What can they do but say this Star Trek is based in an alternate reality in the Cannon.. That 1980's/90's Star Trek Next Gen and Star Trek: Picard are 2 separate Picard's from alternate realities.
Only way to save Star Trek is to cut this one off into the Shitverse of bad Star Treks.
Demmm i like picard just for joes reviews, cant even look the episodes
Indeed. There will be worse things in the future, but until then, this has to be the worst thing ever made.
ironically the exact reason why there are .something review systems. after you have reviewed enough things it becomes mandatory. if you try to use "a is better than b" logic which i think aj has tried to avoid.
They wrote the script in crayon? C'mon, guys, don't be silly!
If the writers had crayons they would eat them.
Didnt know the writers were marines
underrated comment
Exactly!
they wrote the script in Crayola *no mess color Wonder" markers, which was a huge expense to the production because they never put the Caps back on they would be driving the next day
They have one of those crayon maker toys. They keep just making brown though
Lol đ
0/10 was very generous. Literally everything is awful. Picard remembered his elderly mom with a French accent in TNG, and in this episode they retconned it by him addressing it as something he used to imagine. Actual knowledge of trek lore, but also major retcon for the woke narrative! Truly awful.
Love Jorborgi. Perfect name for stupid borg. Can't wait for the memes, lol.
The Borg are among the greatest enemies Picard and The Federation ever faced. Not surprised these idiot writers decided to screw it up. I watched the first season and was so disgusted I almost couldn't finish it. No plans to watch any more of this train wreck. Same with Discovery.
The thing is, season 3 and 4 of Disco have a steadily improved, so even though it still has *GLARING FLAWS* the last two Disco seasons have had a lot of redeeming qualities and a lot of LGBTQA+ inclusiveness that have actually _brought in_new fans to the franchise. I _still_ canât find anything redeemable or worthwhile in Picard, itâs *irredeemable!*
@@Popcultureguy3000 "brought in new fans" and "steadily improved" don't belong in the same sentence as star trek discovery. If anything. It got progressively worst and had more people pushing away from it, and actual numbers for the shows aren't being stated.
@@homelessend8557 Look man, the LGBTQA+ representation on Disco has been very good since season 1, they even knew how well the gay sci-fi geeks of America responded to the first openly gay couple on Star Trek and went out of their way to bring back from the dead one half of their main gay couple so they would stop being accused of killing him off to have less scenes of a married gay couple onscreen together. And then after that, they hired a non-binary actor to play a new ensign who rose to Lieutenant and trans actor to play a Trill.
Like it or hate it, Discoâs always been the Trek show that goes out of its way to include as much LGBTQA representation in a way that felt organic rather than forced (with the exception of _maybe_ the Alternate Universe Professor from an Alternate Universe Risa in season 4? I canât tell if that felt forced or not because his whole backstory episode felt like useless padding, and maybe I just think that aspect was forced was because having a whole episode dedicated to said backstory was unnecessary).
@@Popcultureguy3000 felt the most organic. Now that's a good joke. And Lgbt representation hasn't been good on this show especially since none of what they're doing matches what other successful shows have done. It still has bad writing, plotlines, etc, so focusing on a "message" rather than making most of the characters likeable pushes people away, even those it's trying to cater to, not brings them to watch the show. Representation means nothing if they do it in the poorest, least effort way possible, to the point viewership drops further.
You know it's awfully bad when Alex doesnt need to say anything because Joe, the usually optimistic one, is having a meltdown.
Alex just complains at the sake of
Complaining⊠heâs just such a miserable person đ
@@pukkicfc9061 cry
@@Just_a_Jape at? đđ€·đ»ââïž
@@pukkicfc9061 Nah, that's just a way to excuse complaints you don't agree with
Iâm convinced the writers for Picard are on almost every drug imaginable. Iâve never seen writing this bad in years!
Makes me miss Star Trek Enterprise.
Enterprise is a million times better.
0:03
Joe acts like heâs on almost every drug ever
OJ: âHey, Stop pretending to be the writers.â
God I wish there be more movies instead of this I rather watch for it.
At some point we have to accept that itâs political propaganda.
Hey Joe, I've got your new borg quote right here:
Jaborgy: ""We are the Jaborgy. Please lower your shields and allow us to board your ships. With your consent, we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to benefit all of us. Resistance is optional!"
Literally anyone: "No thanks."
Jaborgy: "Ok, bye mister."
I was thinking Alborg Borgsman or Jorg Jorg Borgarms as the name for the new Borg
Jurborgi*
The amused look on Alex's face while Joe was going out of his mind was hilarious.
11 years since "Sonic Free Riders", the first 1/10 ever given on the show. And Picard finally broke the scale. Never thought I would see something so insulting that a 0/10 would be the final result.
you forgot Resident Evil: The Final Chapter
@@Takato2527 Wrong, that was still a 1/10 it was close but still 1/10.
"the lowest one out of ten I can give and I would give it a zero out of ten if I didn't make my rating scale be where it is non functional, it is borderline zero out of ten." - Angryjoe
Even worse than Ride to Hell?
@@2DRonaldo Joe explained this in his livestream yesterday. As awful as RTH was, there were no expectations for it to be good. Star Trek is a beloved franchise, and to see it treated like this, on top of being objectively bad, warranted the extra penalty in score.
-10/10
This is a historical day for the Angry Joe Show. Joe-who has always strongly insisted that you cannot go below a 1/10 on ANYTHING on his show-decided to give something a 0/10.
Tbf this is only possible when an existing franchise is destroyed in an episode with no entertainment value to watch it mindlessly.
@@michaellane5381 Joe, OJ & Alex said it themselves. This episode had zero redeeming qualities whatsoever. Everything about this episode was downright horrific. Not a single positive found that could've given it a 1 outta 10.
Santa Inc and Everything Gona be All White deserves -10 negative rating but NuTrek and other slaughtered franchise's are close too.
@@DragonHeart613 I haven't watched any of the series so I cannot quantify the score, I'm just saying for arguments sake 1/10 being the lowest rating for rating almost any media yet rating this 0/10 is not entirely inconsistent as it might actively be reducing your enjoyment of the previous media while not entertaining you in the present.
I would argue that while that then sounds like a negative point scale might be more accurate the logic of 1/10 being lowest still finds a 0/10 rating as more accurate because to quantify the negative would require quantifying all the ruined content which would be beyond any objective standard and ruining the rating scales integrity.
Thus Zeroing out the scale is fair in this case but wouldn't really work with a new/original property.
The very first 0/10, the worst of the worst has been achieved. My god...
"I watch this show literally to see how bad it gets. It's almost disgustingly interesting. It's like watching a trainwreck in slow-motion, as bodies are being squeezed, and eyeballs are popping, and blood and guts are showering everywhere. It is such a disaster that you cannot look away."
Legit IMDB review material.
I love how they explain how Ginan meets Picard in this show for the first time COMPLETELY FORGETTING that She met him long ago back with Mark Twain when they went back in time with Data and the Next Gen crew... but I guess Ginan has a shitty memory now.
Seven: "They're not people anymore, they're Borg." Seven said that. Seven of Nine. The former Borg with the Borg name.
She also rescued Borg children and took care of them.
@@josephsleight2634 Not people children, just Borg children!
@@newchrisusa As in not assimilated babies, but test tube babies!
..on a show, whose namesake is the most famous ex-borg Starfleet Captain in the history of their own fucking lore, who she is friends with....
@@rudeboyjohn3483 great point. Guess Picard is a non-person now. Data is spinning in his server!
Remember old Star Trek?
I love the episode when Odo and Quark crash land on an Alpine-like area of a planet and there isn't enough oxygen in the atmosphere for them to survive. In a matter of hours, they will die from hypoxia. So they have to get up high to place a beacon so that someone can come and rescue them. These two characters who were diametrically opposed to one another and who have been playing cat and mouse games the whole time, now have to work together. The security chief and the black market criminal.
Remember when Star Trek was about that?
Edit: Share your favorite Star Trek Episodes.
Aah, "the ascent". Classic ep. Before the dark times. Before Kurtzman.
Great episode. They hated each other, but respected each other. When push comes to shove, they both know they have each others back.
Or the episode where Quark accidently auctions off his body parts because he believed he was about to die. And subsequently had to make a choice between his own life and breaking his code established by his people. And ends up choosing his own life and getting all his posessions taken away, only for the people he would least expect to come and help him back.
Exactly this they took a sensetive matter and made it interesting and thought provoking, they didn't shove PC nonsense down our throat with 0 respect for the subject matter
You mean, about good writing?
Even if the writing of this show were good, which it isn't, the underlying fatal flaw is that this is a show that isn't interested in Star Trek, it's interested in psychoanalyzing the characters of Star Trek by putting them into shitty, grimy, miserable situations, so Picard can be like "this bar fight is just like when my drunk dad used to beat my mom," or "this space orphan is just like when everyone I know was killed and I became an orphan."
That can be interesting, but that's not why people watch Star Trek. Star Trek is about a humanity that has gotten its shit together. We've made it. It's a collectivist, utopian society that doesn't need to worry about all the nightmare garbage that we have to deal with today. We welcome every race, every creed, everyone is more or less equal in the eyes of everyone else (I'm aware I'm oversimplifying, but you get it), because everyone agrees that the ultimate good that we as a people can do is to spread that good to others. The conflict of OG ST comes from how that "ideal" society deals with the rest of the universe, especially when it doesn't want our "good".
This modern television approach to Star Trek doesn't really work for the thesis of the series. My wife loves, fucking LOVES, Star Trek, and she's as forgiving as can be when it comes to messy TV. She bounced off of Discovery after four episodes because it was making her miserable.
This means ride to hell retribution actually got a higher score then something
Even without the text in the thumbnail, the image alone was enough to make me go, "Oh, this is going to be a whole other level of an epic fail and angry rant. I better get some popcorn."
Same đ
I opened a bag of chips.
Same, Iâm not interested in TV shows or the Star Trek universe but will watch Joe go on angry rant on anything
Same. Didn't watch any kind of Star Trek as the aesthetic isn't my cup of tea but I will watch the boys rant about anything
The new Borg from Picard season 2 will be named - *The Bored* ... "We are The Bored... Resistance is reasonable... With your permission, our biological & technological distinctiveness will be added to your own... Your culture will be respected... Live in your truth..."
Concent has a better ring to it than permission. Also change culture to individuality, because culture is patriarchal repression of women and non binary beings.
They're Swedish?
Why are so many beloved franchises being systematically and thoroughly decimated to the point its own fans feel it is irretreivable , and always under the spectre of some variation of social message being a factor?
California is the leakings of hell on Earth.
its the 21 century
Because California wants to force everyone to see their message, and stuffing it into every franchise is how you take away any place people can go to ignore their politics.
39:30 The fact that this was Angry Joe's first ever 0/10 is actually funny to think. I remember when he gave Sonic Free Riders his first 1/10 a decade prior. I was thinking Fast & Furious : Crossroads would have been Angry Joe's first ever 0/10.
This is NOT Star Trek. Some guy on CZcams (I'm sorry, I forgot who) said, "This is not Star Trek, the writers are using Star Trek as a cardboard background to play out contrived melodrama." And that's the gist of it. At this point I'm past being angry and am simply sad. I do however need you, Joe and crew, to STAY ANGRY as your review of this BASTARDIZATION of Star Trek is indeed therapeutic for frustrated long time fans such as myself. So thank you and make it so.
I am canceling my subscription in protest.
Many people have said it. That's the trend. Hijack popular IPs and twisting them to fit the Hollywood pedo or white hate agendas.
more than "not star trek" this is "not good filmmaking in any sense" its offensive. it treats the audience like we're stupid
@@antonego9581 Let's be honest here, the MAJORITY of the people sitting in front of the television IS STUPID. They enjoy this. This (and a lot of other shows/movies) isn't targeted at you, or me, or Joe.
It's progressivism wearing Star Trek as a skin suit. Very creepy. Very uncanny valley.
One of Kurtzman's oddest beliefs is that audiences can only like a character if they badass or quirky. Every movie he does (Transformers, TASM, and nuTrek) follows this pattern. He doesn't think people care for kindness, intelligence, honor, and dutiful as things people want in their protagonists.
That says a lot about the type of person he is himself...
And hell, mass effect proved you donât even need to necessarily have good traits. Jack is a murderous psychopath and samara is a religious zealot but both have enough nuance and offer a unique perspective to grow into some of the best characters.
so true
@@roberthesser6402 Let's be honest, people were always going to like a tattooed psychotic killer that barely wears cloths.
One can be quirky and honorable like a Harry Kim
The problem Iâm having with this episode, and this season is this:
I have a friend who lost her husband to this illness. We lost the greatest comedian of all time to this illness.
And, they FLAT OUT FUCKING HAM FISTED IT!
Their contrived way of making this some kind of character development macguffin so devalues the message and the problem we face with this really serious issue pisses me off to nearly physical pain.
I can forgive a great many sins- The shitty way these clown did the Klingons, how theyâre taking a steaming dump on what the Federation is, the loose, wild west attitude with the cannon. But, if theyâre gonna preach âSocial Issuesâ and the turn around and do this to a real issue. Then, hypocrisy at it basest level and these folks need to be called out on it.
Amen JJ Fuck The Fans Abrams and Kurtzman have another great fuck the fans moment.
More then called, they need to be banned from Hollywood and writing jobs!
If you really want to explore female empowerment, why not go back and explore Tasha Yar's character? o_O Remember her back story?
Well, those drones were created using "inferior metals" so that could be a bit of an escape hatch for stupid plot holes. Jurati would better off not assimilating the commandos - seems that inferior assimilation results in stormtrooper-level accuracy ;) But yeah, this series is horribly uneven... With each good/cool idea come two or three really poor ones.
Doctor Who, Star Trek and Star Wars have all gone through similar things.
It's just a good job you aren't a fan of Doctor Who is all I can say
Havnt watched since David was the doctor that was gold when I was a kid
Theres a point to be made about Dr Who being in decline after Tenant.
He was, I think, the last "true" Doctor, the subsequent regenerations are quite different in tonality and in how they and the episodes are written.
That being said, I do like Matt Smith, though I belive he was underutilized, he has the right sort-of feel to him. Smug and wise yet childish and crazy, more or less what I would expect from the Doctor.
@@generalerica4123 I enjoyed Capaldi in Series 9 and 10.
@@generalerica4123 I thought Capaldi was a decent Doctor.
@@Horrormaster13 Well, okay, sure. Capaldi you can have.
So, the precedent has been set. We now have a show that it so horrendous, so borked, so detached from the universe that it broke the rating system. That's impressive in of itself.
But wait, there is more: Season 3 is in the can and ready to go!
That's just disgusting rather than impressive duh
@@diatonicdelirium1743 With almost TNG cast... Oh my God.
Should we just call them the Bork now?
@@diatonicdelirium1743 Thanks for the warning dudeđ€ą
I'm left leaning. I love Star Trek. Everything I've seen in Discovery and Picard is not Trek. When I was a teenager in the late 90s, I assumed, from Star Trek, that an advanced people would have these decent understandings. But, everything I have seen in the past decade, has deterioated everything humanity stands for. "Fake News". "Black Lives Matter". "All Livers Matter". WTF happened to just common decency? What happened to us as a race? This, I feel, is something that will haunt our species, and no one will know (if they already don't'), for millions of years after WWIII.
Ikr. It feels is society is ripping itself apart.
As a center right aligned person. Just treat people with decency and don't force your point of view on others. This is terrible writing, even if you agree with the message it pushes, I would be more open to it even showed a secondary point of view. But no, the show message is: Its my way or the highway.
They are destroying all our franchises as well.
Just because it's sci-fi fantasy, doesn't mean there's a total suspension of disbelief. In my opinion, the burden upon the writer is even greater when it comes to getting the audience to believe what they're seeing. They could make all these weird silly scenes work if they set them up beforehand, which they don't and take the genre for granted.
So, they made the Borg, the most dangerous threat the federation has ever seen into Jawas.
Iâm baffled.
Hey don't insult the Jawas like that!
There's still the other borg
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When Alex rubs his head in silence...you know it's bad, LOL!
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Getting a 1/10 means your show is Absolutely horrendous. It should be fixed immediately.
Getting a 0/10 means your Show just shouldn't exist.
Damn these writers are intent on ruining everything. Startrek, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Wheel of Time....geez
Seven saying that it was okay to murder borg because they're not human is the single worst line they've written.
That one line retcons her entire character, it literally retcons the entire reason that she is even there.
Not only do they not understand one of the most famous enemies in the series they don't even understand the characters that they specifically chose to write for. That's levels of incompetence that makes me think maybe the whole thing is some sort of new tax evading scheme using whatever this is in place of art. This product is not worth what they're spending on it.
Alex's 6 straight minutes of silence followed by a half hearted "it's bad", is solid fucking gold.
Let me get this straight. Picard,who has been assimilated by the Borg,tortured by the Cardassians, lived a lifetime in the span of five minutes, actually died and relived his past ;is gonna lose his shit over a repressed childhood trauma. WTF?đ€Šââïž
Nevermind the fact that Picard saw a vision of his mother in TNG as an old woman.
The idiots who wrote this garbage couldn't even pay attention to _that._
I don't get it, either. Let's get to season 3 already.
Lots & lots to criticize, but IMO, this is the one thing they got right. A child finding his Mother hanging (more so than letting her out of the room) is as seriously traumatizing as it gets. Absolutely enough to completely repress the memory. (Yeah, I'm a psyche nurse.)
@@lilymack4028 Except it completely contradicts every other bit of canon. It doesn't make sense, not because it doesn't make sense on it's own, but because it doesn't make sense when put up against the entirety of Picard's character history.
@@lilymack4028 So in the 24th century, after 300 years of medical advancement, the best they could do for a suicidal woman was to lock her up every night in a room with a 19th century lock and key? It makes zero sense. Lazy writing at its finest.
It's incredible how it can still get worse and worse, episode after episode... TNG was such a fantastic show and a big part of what made me who I am today. I had no expectations at all after season 1, but could not have forseen how bad it would become. I am such a fool, that I have a tiny spark of hope for Strange New Worlds, but it's unwarranted...
I'm sending strenght to all of us for the finale... and since we will watch season 3, this time I'll be prepared that it will surpass even my lowest expectations.
PS. My suggestion for the new name: "The Beurk"
You know it's going to loop back to the queen on the bridge scene from EP01 and it will be the "better-borg" (Sarcasms) queen Jurati with a "They all live happily ever after" ending following shortly after.
"Discovery": I am the worst Star Trek-series!
"Picard": Hold my beer
hold my cup of Earl Grey...hot.
I feel so bad for Other Joe. AJ and Alex are trekkies, but poor OJ has to suffer through this shit without even any context lmao
I was thinking this lol
That actually helps I think. Especially in season one, I sort of liked it because of the nostalgia hit. To see a beloved franchise and it's characters getting utterly destroyed now is painful.
OJ is blissfully ignorant and spared that. He only sees the objectively bad writing and execution now.
Like Jay, lol
i became a trekkie a few years ago, tng is so good one of the best of all time
I think the new WORG greeting would go something like this
"We are the W.O.R.Q A.I.C++ (our pronouns are they/them)
lower your Shields and surrender your ships if you consent to this interaction.
we respect all truths, we believe all love is love, and the word borg is offensive.
Biology is futile."
It's heartbreaking how so many of our most beloved franchises and beloved nerd culture icons have just been shit on by people who don't give a shit about them.
I never thought I'd see the day where The Orville is closer to true Star Trek then a legitimate Star Trek series is.
Never thought I'd say this but I want McFarlane to head a Trek show.
The Expanse too
True. The Kaylons are basically the android uprising from Season 1, but done a hell of a lot better.
âSethâ Trek understands what makes _great_ Sci-Fi: *Exploring the social and moral implications of technology.*
Star 'Tard Picard is just _more dumb action schlock,_ the federation serves no purpose, and the writers just make up dumb shit as they go along.
its actually really good and we are getting a new season too
When a favorite franchise of mine starts to release bad content, I find it therapeutic to personally declare it as non-canon. Then I try my best to forget that it exists.
That's how I feel when I watch a man win first place at a women's swimming comp
Same. I don't watch it any more it ain't canon to me it ain't Star Trek to me. I just rewatch the old stuff now.
I'm on my fifth series, when does this trend every end?
@@diane6378 wtf does that have to do with anything
@@longliveyheking98 if you read you can see he explained that the feeling the op mentioned is similar to a feeling he gets when he sees people abuse gender identities for self gain.
You guys missed the fact that all mental illness had been eliminated in the Federation back in TOS so her suicide makes no sense at all. If Borgnes Jurati is the collective now then that means most of TNG would be different, DS9 didn't even happen because the Siskos weren't at Wolf 359, and most of Voyager was different because Janeway never used them to get home. I really hate Elnor, not because he's especially bad but because the writers have tried so desperately hard to make me like him.
You are assuming that jurati changes the collective from 2025 and rewrites history. That isn't necessarily (can't be) the case. Jurati will have to let history play out before changing anything.
@@sbirchysb not sure why she would eff off to the Delta quadrant then and run the risk of her collective getting assimilated. Chances are she would just just get assimilated by the real Borg anyways.
Please, friend. Choose to live.
I hate Elnor because he's not Romulan, he's an elf. Everything about him is elven. He even has an elven name. He might as well be Elnor, son of Elrond.
@@zephyr8072 I call him Space Legolas.
âComputer end programâ
Vulcan says to Human officer: âI will never understand your curiosity with alternate realities that have characters that could not exist in reality.â
Opening Credits.
I love how the writers clearly don't get their material, but seem to only think superficially about how to stir up some drama and be "relevant". The "twist" with the borg queen clearly panders to that, trying to "show some humanity". But guess what, the idea behind the Borg is actually, that they aren't. In a show, that was about communication, about understanding of cultures, of different species and how differences and other obstacles can be overcome by reason, not just emotion and going "AAAAAAH I HAAAAAATE YOUUUUUU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DOOOONEEE!" the Borg were meant to not fit in, to be the antithesis. They have actually been invented to show that even in a utopia that Star Trek tried to depict, there still can be room for true conflict.
They don't care, they don't have any feelings, they cannot be reasoned with. You cannot try to talk to them, to appeal to some kind of moral or pity. They will kill you, they will exploit you and your body is nothing else than a junkyard to them, from which they can choose and pick, to stitch you together like a true Frankenstein's monster, true body horror.
Nope, the Borg queen is just a misunderstood little girl. Sorry, but you writers are just idiots.
Literally taking everything about the Borg and ignoring it. Complete 180 that makes no sense, with horrible explanations, and contrived macguffins, topped off with horrible over emotional scenes. And the thing is, all the people on this show are top frigging notch actors - it is amazing that this show could do this with them.
The worst thing Star Trek ever did was give the Borg a queen. They were much more menacing as an amorphous villain with no specific target to eliminate that would defeat them.
@@ToyHunter-wc9dz it made them more dangerous too because there was literally almost no weakness. Having a queen gives the Borg a centralized major weakness, noting how the movie ended. Also the queen, having sentient and emotions goes against everything the Borg are, and makes you wonder how they even work as a whole being controlled by essentially a human.
Nooo the idea that the Borg have been looking for an equal a partner goes back to TNG with locutus of Borg being intended as herald and effective consort of Borg quee . Then data in first contact and finally seven in voyager all had a Borg queen's special attention
Reminds me of the Combine from Half Life, or the Cybermen from Doctor Who. I myself never watched Star Trek, but even I understand the appeal of a villain like the Borg. The fact that they DON'T negotiate away from their goal is what makes them terrifying.
The Borg in the 21st CenturyâŠ
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The way Agnes smiles at the Borg Queen is just so... messed up.
The Borg Queen literally used Agnes' body to murder some defenseless civilian and she's like "Let's be friends!"
Then again, she is a murderer herself, so I guess it's a match made in heaven, after all.
Watching OJ in this is great, we rarely get to see him be the main one talking about some things and being so angry about it. It was great.
âEvil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.â
the guillotine would disagree
Putin.
@@itsenox4145 bulls aren't that new of a concept though
Just like conservatives
@@InTrancedState lol so weak so completely unrelated
what a pathetic cope of a statement
Calling them âwritersâ is an exaggeration at this point. âScribblersâ is more deserved
Political zealots are what they are.
Not only were they able to run across the field of Borg. Somehow all these borg that are linked up don't know when a couple of them go down to re-aim their fire where there fallen comrades previously were. Not to mention borg optics which allow them to see he fission radiation Night vision and whatever other plot necessity vision is required.
I think "functional" definitely needs to be redefined when about non-video game mediums because, like you said, no aspect of this show is functioning as intended.
If you like the writing of Picard and think it is smart... please don't vote or have kids.
Amen to that.
They're the reason plastic bags have choking hazard warnings.
The only reason why i watch this really is Picard .... that about it. But every episodes in season 2 ... went worse to worse to worse ... i am convinced that picard is just doing it because he doesnt have time to do it anymore .... its litterally anytime for him to die and its a shame that his last work is gonna be this shit show ... S1 was fine not great but alright passable because that just what picard is. Season 2 went ... and im like Whut .... they literrally pulled this plot out of their ass ... Though I literally thought that this was a continuation of Season 1 ending where we saw some thing come out of a portal like thing ... i dont even think this was the same thing ....
I truely believe this was a WHAT ifs moment.
They're the reason Biden is president
@@zoeadkins9095 heh heh heh. they all got assimilated by the writers.
One day when we are old, we will tell our children that we were there for a 0/10 from Angry Joe
I just want to know why they felt like they had to fight their way across a huge field of Borg when they had access to a working transporter.
Joe ,
I find it helps when you just believe that ST- Picard S01 and S02 are just a Hollo-deck glitch and season 3 will be the original TNG actors,their corpses or any pickled alive cast ,such as Mr Stewart.
They will be brought back ,CGI enhanced de-aged to fit how they looked at the finale of the last season of TNG.They got to go into the sparking,malfunctioning Hollo-deck,Break or Hack into the Hollo-deck using the teleporter,eventually they get inside to find out what happened and fix it.
So Picard's mansion stayed the same for 300 years? None of the people who lived in the house for the next 300 years thought, "hey, maybe we should remove or at least rennovate our death trap basement?"
I like the fact that there's a shotgun hanging on the wall in an abandoned house that is not full of piss and shit and homeless junkies. And that weapon is loaded and ready for action. Or that Walther P38 that Picard finds in a random box, is loaded and also ready to shoot....Eh, whatever, why am i even trying? It should have been a Tommy gun that he uses to mow down all the r3+@rded Borg soldiers.
Impossible, it would long been vandalized and mostly brought to rubble.
The best ending would be them realizing their total disregard of the timelineâs integrity is actually what causes the fascist dystopian future they tried to prevent.
You know they're gonna leave a cliffhanger for the finale, like every freaking episode. At this point, I almost think that they won't even get back to the future until the next season - thats how bad it's gotten. This entire season was padding and filler to keep people subbed to their service for an extra year or so, absolutely insane.
Makes sense after world war 3 in that universe of the communist woke
the best ending would be them all getting shot in the Bell riots and Sisko runs on screen to kickstart "Past Tense"
I gave up on Star Trek when J.J. Abrams DIDN'T fix the space time continuum. He watched Back to the Future Part 2, and thought, "Hey, I like what Biff did! Let's do that and NOT fix the timeline, so I can create my own bastardized version of Star Trek."
They made Picard a mental case from something that happened in his childhood that he should have got over either before or as a Captain on ST:TNG, not in his retirement! OMG!
Have you reviewed the Lower Decks? I love it and I'm sure you would too.
Picard's story ended with him playing poker with his crew. Finally joining in with the family that he had established over 7 long years. Becoming one with them rather than being apart. IT was perfect.
Luke Skywalker's cinematic story ended with him redeeming his father, Anakin Skywalker and fulfilling the prophecy of the Force. Then returning to the circle, the family that he had developed and discovered, the brother figure and his new found twin sister. It was perfect.
There is nothing else.
Yes there is. Get over it.
@@michaelknox3715 not for me! Excised from my memory! Enjoy your inferior entertainment though by all means!
@@Diabolicalus dude its like 5 year old movie man. Just move on
@@f.n.p3710 Surely by removing it from my headcannon i have? I mean it would really suck if they produced a sequel trilogy that didnt even get the original cast back together for one scene and completly undid everthing that everyone suffered and went through to bring peace to the galaxy just to prop up a new perfect infallible yet utterly boring hero. I'm just glad they didn't do that.
I still like TLJ Luke even though there are problems
There's a great interview on youtube with Leonard Nimoy where he explains the "Vulcan nerve pinch"s origin . He was supposed to hit a guard in the head with his gun, almost mobster style. He said :" No, this is barbaric. We are in the future we evolved beyond that, i will paralyze him with a secret technique my race developed. It's more interesting and more elegant". That was Star Trek. Trying to think how the human race could be in an ideal future, trying to think of interesting and elegant ways to solve problems. And then there's Picard...
Well maybe but classic Trek had FIST FIGHTS all the time I think Leonard is having selective memory bias frankly
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 Do we see Vulcans ever punch or shoot anyone in the show? No? Then the case is rested.
@@jlev1028 Are you seriously challenging me??
Spock fights Kirk in "Amok Time" - boy you are dense LOLOLOL
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 indeed, but that doesn't mean they didn't try different solutions or imagining a better future. Now where in Picard can you see that?
Same with how Nimoy innovatively used a Jewish priest blessing as part of an alien looking gesture of peace. The dude was really creative.
At this point this series feels like an act of a very intentional sabotage by someone who has inordinate amounts of money only surpassed by his hatred of everything Star Trek
Edit: You may call them the Fauxrg
I am so happy that you are the ones viewing Picard and commenting on the episodes. I knew it was not going to be anything like my two favorites Next Generation and DS9: the writing was sublime; Those writing Picard have lost it by taking the heart and soul out of the writing. It is very sad. I would have wanted to see Picard portrayed more as an extension of the Next Generation.
"Alex say something!"
"...... it's bad'
Alex is easily my favorite person
Alex was thinking "I would do Seven of 9"
At the end of season 1, wasn't Seven crying about how she never wanted to be a mindless violent killer again? Wasn't she really upset about the deaths of all the Borg? Now fast forward to Season 2 and she's a mindless killing machine telling Raffi that they should show no mercy to the Borg. đ€Šđ»ââ The writers really don't give a shit about their own continuity. This is the madlibs school of script writing.
I fear the writers see that as ChArAcTeR DeVeLoPmEnT
But that doesn't make sense, she killed hundreds of people in the name of vengeance...she was kicking around corpses like a thug. You can't trust anything these characters say or do because their actions may be retconned in the very next episode
cant be worse than halo show.
@@Blox117 nah picard is worse but halo is definatly one step worser then picard
@@adad87821 nah Picards definitely worst. Imagine having a character since the 80s and completely destroying the character, the plot of previous episodes, and the entire legacy through a single episode. It made the Khan project lame, made the "watchers" be time lord assholes that do nothing, give the Q a mortality, and wiped out 50+ years of canon like toilet paper
I remember during season 1, I stopped watching because everyone was just shitting on pickard for no reason. They were just being really mean and everyone was acting like he was directly responsible for every terrible thing that'd gone wrong and I just didn't understand. sad to see it just devolved
Yeah an they did a tv interview but in tng its hinted tv doesnt exist.. They unfreeze some people from a ship with cryogenic capsules and after waking up one guy ask if he can watch tv.. And piccard doesnt know what that is, so rykker i think tells him thats was some 20-21century entertainment thing humans had because they didnt know how to spend time better... Also starfleet in discovery and piccard is something total diffrent as it was in any kind of star trek ever existed..
@@kind2rethink exactly. TV being a huge plot and everything being cyberpunk just feels.. wrong
And they don't seem to know what an android is with regards to whatever Picard is now. And how did 7 of 9 get the exact same borg fittings from before? Maybe the queen had a backup of her config? So many issues with this series.
Everything that Joe just ranted about is exactly what many people complain about the current "Woke era" of StarTrek, if not much of these "continuation/adaptation/reimaginings". TNG was enlightened, visionary, thought provoking, and yet approachable to a general audience, but this is a crime. A CRIME!
I will say that any complaint mentioning wokeness will be ignored by the writers and creators cause they're so far up their own asses. As someone whose all for everything inclusivity and political commentary on all that's bad about the world, including racism, the word woke has become such a meme that it's only really used by racist right wing fucks and internet people that don't realize that most people think only racist right wing fucks use it.
Think it's the thing. Old Trek constantly explored progressive ideas, but they did it in a framework where they allowed for exploration and discussion of ideas, not strictly proselytization. Even Picard's speeches, as self-righteous as they could be, were generally about rising above the kind of hard-lined ways things are now delivered.
Right now we just have people pointing at things and saying "that's bad". No depth, no nuance, no questions. It's just bad writing and completely undermines old Trek and it's push for more rational examination of progressive concepts.
@@monody i'm gonna go watch best of both worlds again just to balance this turd out
Alexs first genuine smile during this was when he heard how many episodes are left
"They're not human, they're Borg!" said the Ex-Borg with the Borg name "Seven of Nine."
With this season you could watch the first 3 episodes, then jump straight to the last and watch the recap, plus final episode and not miss anything really.
Oh well Discovery is still good IMO and Strange New Worlds looks good from the trailers.
Respect on AJ's name for clarifying that this show is legit unprogressive even if it has the skin deep appearance of left-wing commentary. It's characters parroting gutless, brainless slogans and then solving their problems with indiscriminate violence. Fucking lmao at Seven saying assimilated Borg aren't people.
I'm progressive, i have sociology/history background and i hate the in your face empowerment/girl power/you know there's bad trumpists people writing.... not because those issues aren't a thing but because it's basically 2/3 of every scenes of every reboots of every franchises, it's literally occulting the story they're trying to tell and the IP is just a setting for blatant PR reasons essentially designed to target new demographic that never watched the originals and cares more about the social context than consistent, coherent good story telling
The strange part about their social criticisms is that none of them ever seem to make a point or actually say anything.
Like the ICE plot. Yeah, ICE is messed up, for sure, got it, but what the heck was that part about the guy complaining âno paper trail, no trial, nothing!â?
Like, are the writers actually suggesting theyâd prefer it if undocumented migrants were detained for MONTHS if not YEARS while the U.S.âs legal system slowly worked its way to their case, at which point theyâd inevitably get kicked out anyway? Or are they saying that they shouldnât be detained at all and that you should just blindly trust that theyâll show up in nine months when you can finally schedule a trial for whether or not they get to stay in the country? Even if they were dumb enough to show up, how would you contact them to give them a date when they have no address or SS# or license or anything?
Itâs like they donât even care about the actual problems of the system and just heard that other people are mad so theyâre just assuming they understand how it works so they can be an âallyâ.
I totally agree: He made a great point saying that the entire audience that they were trying to sway will look at this as an example to further dig their heels into conservative beliefs, by saying this is a perfect example of how stupid the "progressive woke" movement is. And he's totally right, it does the entire thing a disservice instead of any service. This is the worst season of Star Trek I've ever seen, and I've watched this show for over 20 years.
Sorry, but this IS the progressive message. It is everywhere. It isn't just in Star Trek. It was Gillette. It was Coke. It is Disney. It is Picard. They keep echoing the same thing. If you don't think this is the progressive message, then you aren't with them and you haven't been paying attention.
I love that Joe reads our comments
Never thought he would actually do it 1 was as low as he'd go but finally after 12 years of angry joe a 0 out of 10
Imagine a 0 out if 10 game. What could possibly be worse than ride tonhell or sonic free riders.
@@xlinkkaisaintsrow2365 The game would have to give you aids by playing it.
@@xlinkkaisaintsrow2365 I honestly donât want to know..
@@xlinkkaisaintsrow2365 Probably a game that gives you seizures while also being a mtx hellhole, while having terrible performance and it directly insults gamers thru dialogue or smth
@@Walamonga1313 i think it would be game that barely functions.
I'll be honest, I saw the 0/10 score before I watched the episode and while I was watching I was like "I know this show isn't good, the time travel stuff doesn't make sense, the characters aren't likeable but the zero is just clickbait. Nothing is 0/10 bad unless it literally doesn't work".
But what they did to the Borg does deserve the zero. It actually ruins one of the best villains not just in Star Trek, but in all Sci-Fi. The Borg are fucking evil. Great shows need powerful villains. But I guess now this means that all those episodes of TNG, Voyager, and the First Contact film don't exist, because the Borg are nice now and the future has been changed? Fuck that. I have to now use my own mind canon and pretend that this show doesn't exist.
Like, if Jean-Luc Picard, Star Trek's greatest ever captain, expert diplomat, who has a massive history with the Borg, managed to find a way to make the Borg take a more peaceful path, I could maybe accept it. With better writing, Picard finally defeating the Borg could have been his greatest moment. But Jirati? Fuck no.
it took me a few minutes to notice you had the episode playing in the background
After the dreadful Discovery season 04, it is mindboggling how they manage to produce even far worse Star Trek. TNG is my all-time favourite show and it breaks my heart to see it getting wrecked in such a despicable and disrespectful manner. Shame on you CBS!
for me DSC was dreadful already from s1x1
@@Zontar82 Dude for real, I gave up after the first episode when this chick led a mutiny against her captain, that was the dumbest reason to mutiny.
I mean I TRIED giving them some benefit of the doubt since most star trek shows especially TNG had a rocky start, but damn it just doesn't get any better
@@Zontar82 Discovery is a masterpiece compared to whatever this is. Just when you think it can't get any worse they find new ways to surprise you
She gets fully reinstated and saves the universe.
ALSO, with the """Borg Queen""", I'm using quotations cause it's not the borg queen, at all, taking the ship and changing her ways, it destroys the timeline! We got the Vulcans making first contact too early, Picard no longer gets assimilated, Wolf 359 never happens, Voyager never happens, Starfleet never works on upgrading their firepower, making them a weaker target for the Dominion, and that's just SOME of what will happen!
TBH they completely forgot about the Dominion War. I mean yeah they paid lip service to Sisko but they haven't given a fig about the Dominion War since Star Trek: Nemesis.
You'd think people would've been more willing to help the Romulans with their sun going nova since they helped stop the Dominion.
The writers have no love of star trek
7 of 9 pretty much grandfather paradoxed herself.
@SpiderGuy2019 Not really, because at the moment there are in, there is the REAL Borg-Queen in the Delta-Quadrant, assimilating billions. The one on earth is a mix of a Queen from an alternate universe and Gerardi, existing parallel to the real one. But....BUT....i dont think the writers thought about that.
They haven't changed the Borg....at the moment the new Queen is on earth, there is the real one in the Delta Quadrant and is already assimilating billions. Well, the problem might be, that the writers haven't thought about that at all.
In terms of the Borg, they, the writers, do know the Borg Cooperative exists already, right? From Voyager's Unity. Having an individual or "independent" gestalt mind. Individual and interconnected.
So then is this a new faction?
If 10/10s aren't perfect masterpieces with no flaws whatsoever then personally I think 0 should be allowed on the scale. Can't wait for the first 0/10 angry game review
Sonic free riders should have been because it was damaging to his body.... :)
Remember when Star Trek was about exploring space and the final frontier? A whole lot of not that happening in this...didn't know Star Trek was really just being stuck on Earth the entire time with generic drama.
To be honest, exloring space always was just the excuse to debate philosophical and ethic dilemmas of the present. They just did it smarter.
I like how the ship now serves as a hollo engineer and can make an emergency command hologram (which oddly requires a holo emitter contradicting the ship doing it), but the ship never has or can make an emergency medical hologram that every star fleet ship hasâŠ. Itâs like no one watched Star Trek voyager or really any Star Trek
Your rage...soothes my soul... Thank you, Joe. đ
Patiently waiting for 'The Orville' season 3... I am hoping the long production time benefited it and we see some great episodes.
Just over a month to go, baby! I have no doubt that Seth and company will deliver.
I can't friggan wait myself. The Orville is what star trek use to be. Season 3 should be awesome.
Whaat I didn't know that existed
I'm ashamed to say I've only just noticed the Orville from you guys mentioned it in one of Joe's Picard video's but damn it's good
this is my first hearing about Orville season 3. I'll spread the word to my friends and family
So Starfleet rejected Seven, but accepted Icheb? Between this and the Vulcans mind melding in the 1970s from last week it's clear the writers have no regard for what others have written, or even what they themselves have written.
this is what happens when feminism wright's Star Trek... they will make it so guys get a free pass but the women never succeed but in the end the men are hiding behind barrels as the women clean up the mess.
You know what pisses me off about that? Picard was a Borg. He recovered. Seven is Borg, she recovered. Picard is now an Android. Seven is more human than he is.
Hell I forgot that during Enterprise they had stopped using their ability to mind meld. I just got caught up in the fact that they referenced that episode of Enterprise in the first place.
.. I am OK w Starfleet declining Seven, she has borg tech they don't understand and will be on ships w nuclear weapons or worse so who knows if she goes borgy or nanobots esapr... Did did she have a "right" to work in Starfleet. Women tried to force military to let their small bodies go into combat, and courts said feelings don't matter they get to pick the solidest applicants.. . We forget Starfleet deals with emergences by operating billion dollar ships, we need stable staff not risky. Would you hire swimmer Michael Phelps to be lifeguard and throw the swim ring to kid, knowing he is a millionaire pothead who is great but likely to be late or just pay less attention. Examples are many of military NOT wanting movie stars in WW2 since they want boring trips to man equipment and not make morale different. Seven would b great as scientist, not trusted w nuclear weapons the govt builds. Would you let Justin Bieber volunteer to join Army and man nuclear silo, or Bill Nye the scientist guy rather than boring kid from Kansas without any ego to fight with?? Or even trust him with driving a tank in Kuwait rather than a boring Iowa kid much less likely to disobey and shoot up a city? . I am exaggerating , and I am assuming Starfleet has boring duties... I have been fired for jobs cause they were menial and I clearly lacked the patience they could see it coming and let me go, ha. Seven also literally disobeyed Janeway dozen times, in a job application the interviewers risks their job if you hire a genius risky person and instead the system rewards interviewer hiring boring safe person..... PS. I know I am being boring, but Star Trek was about crews working together to over 50 years teach other how to operate complex Starships it was example of where the entire crew of 1000 mattered not 1 genius lieutenant somehow mattering, and people were humble and ok with this not demanding hiring/promotion/ and captain listen to them on day 1..... Ok...
@@mostlyguesses8385 wow, just all sorts of wow. GTFO of the Trek fandom if your going to bring this kind of purely misogynistic BS to the table as a reason that a character would be turned down from Starfleet. We have seen plenty of women in the captains chair and beyond in almost every era of Trek, and they all are the type to work their asses off to get to where they got. And BTW 7 is probably in better shape, stronger, and more durable than most humans let alone just women, so that sexist argument doesn't even apply to her.
Really hate its come to using the "Fair use matters" filter on everything to prevent DB companies from trying to profit off of your videos. Keep up the work guys.
As a fan of StarT since it originally aired I've never watched this latest series. Yet watching AJS RANT has had me in stitches and thanks to the AJS Intrepid Trio it looks like I dodged a bullet to my nostalgia
Showing someone "Inner Light" and then this episode, is a war crime.
Yeah, maybe someone should do it to the writers and Kurtzman...
I would add a few episodes like "All Good Things", "A Measure of a Man", and "Tapestry". All Picard centric and freaking amazing!
@@SSingh-nr8qz Let's add The Drumhead to that. An episode which' morality is the exact inverse of whatever this thing is supposed to be.
Starship Mine is another really good one!
Darmok would be another good Picard centric one to add to the list
I fully endorse Joe's reaction to this level of writing. This show and Halo completely encompasses/showcases all Sci-Fi writing on Paramount+
"All I have to do is buy whatever I want, take over the industry, and then everyone will be forced to watch whatever garbage I put out for the lowest price, at the highest profit margin. What, that doesn't work? Huh... But, it worked when I sold books online..." -Jeff Bezos "You mean launching rockets powered by Methane and supporting Russia in their war of aggression isn't a long-term viable option? Huh..." -Elon Musk "Who would have thought providing NUCLEAR power would be dangerous..." -Bill Gates "I just wanted to make chicks feel insecure about their bodies since I could never get a date in high school or college." -Mark Zuckerberg
Picard 1 - 'I have the worst writing ever'
Picard 2 - 'hold my beer'
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Picard 2 - 'I have the worst writing ever'
Rings of Power - 'hold my beer'
Also remember in Voyager and the Temporal Prime Directive? And the future space cops that came to fix past? and how these writers like...apparently never seen star trek?
I think if a series is actively destroying the legacy of a franchise then you can absolutely give it a 0/10.
Same as Dr Who unfortunately
And game, movie etc.
The Promised Neverland Season 2.
The Last Airbender
The "Go Woke Go Broke" crowd isn't trying to ruin movies or representation. They are trying to spare the world of agendas poorly written to push ideals instead of just writing a good story.
Exactly! "I dont like the GWGB crowd, but... "
Joe is literally the same crowd, but whatever.
@@Leispada Joe has to say things like that no matter what side so he doesn't offend half his audience. CZcams is rough and will try and defame you for a simple quote.
I get where he is coming from but GWGB communities are literally boycotting movies not because of LGBT, Diversity or Girl Power, but rather the need to overshadow everything else in those ideas. Moon Knight for example spent 4 episodes just glorifying his wife over himself....a superhero. Writing is what kills studios and this creating the GO WOKE GO BROKE tagline.
Remember when Star Trek wanted to do social commentary episodes and they would depict both sides of the issue with equal respect? The captain and crews decisions didn't come easy and had consequences. And the opposing argument was never outright devalued or dismissed. Those were good times.
Joe keeps calling himself a progressive and that he agrees with "the message"... Well Joe, enjoy the fruits of your twisted ideology because you reap what you sow. Maybe someday he will put 2 & 2 together and realize his "progressive" ideology is cancer and is the very thing destroying all his favorite intellectual properties.
Go woke go broke is a thing because going woke is forced on us for no reason. It is shoved in our faces look how woke we are. It's like the bad Christian evangelicals movies and shows from the 80s and 90s . Message first and only Good Content last
8:32 : Didn't Rick Sanchez say something similar to Morty when he wanted him to shoot at the 'Insect People' they were escaping from (something like "they are robots", only to later say he was being metaphorical)?
Maybe Seven pulled a Rick here ^_^
Still waiting for the reveal that all this is an extended 'In a mirror, darkly' episode.