Star Trek: Picard S3 Ep8 & Ep9 - OMG THEY DID IT! "D" is Back! - Angry Review
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Our Review for Star Trek Picard Season 3 Episodes 8 and 9 In on HUGE video, we went out of the country so didn't get a chance to edit & post in time! Here are both in one! Enjoy! Huge reveals, Big Nostalgia, but is it any good? Find out!
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Data is getting a much better more respectful treatment than Luke Skywalker
Seriously, though. I love seeing Data back.
Haha. True. Star Trek audiences are getting better treatment than Star Wars fans generally.
@@MichaelJohnson-composerwe were being pretty damm insulted until now
@@MichaelJohnson-composer not really
Ugh just reading that hurts. Disney has no respect for their fans our it's property
I actually thought the way Data defeated Lore was clever. While on the surface it looks like he beat him via the power of love & friendship, if you think about it, it makes some sense. Lore compared his "trophies" of conquests and triumphs as being more impressive than Data's collection of "Trinkets", but if you consider Lore's so called life, those trophies of his are empty of any substance since he either fails in the end or it's so brief of a victory he feels nothing about them besides some pride. Data's trinkets however are each full of memories he treasures, every moment, every joy and sadness he experienced are within each piece of his collection. Taking all this into account it's like Lore's life is just a single book of his biography while Data's life is a Library with each book covering just one part of his history. To put it simply, Data's life was fuller than Lore's so absorbing it just made Lore more like Data.
moreso data planted a trojan horse as a last attempt to coup the partitions of lore
I didn't even frame it as Data winning, all they did was merge in order for Data to have a fully formed personality, Jekyll and Hyde all in one package.
E.g - "This is your posittronic and PISSED OFF security system" I feel you can easily see Lore in this statement, it's just he's far more tempered because Data is the balance to that side of the personality.
Data even said at the beginning of their conversation "my memories ARE me." That was foreshadowing. By accepting Data's memories, he accepted Data.
Well said.
Eh this is bullshit fan head canon nonsense. But hey keep writing the scripts for them
I'm a molecular biologist and the episode made perfect sense to me. The Borg messed with Picard's DNA at the germline, meaning any and all descendants of Picard would have the same modifications. Jack was compelled subconsciously to do the things that he did (think people who are alcoholics whose parents were also alcoholics) by his DNA. They already said that Starfleet had been compromised long before career day, so I assumed the linking of the starships thing was from that. I'm probably going to be in the minority here but I like there being two different kinds of Borg. There were still some problems in this but the past two episodes were some of the best Star Trek I have seen in over a decade outside of The Orville.
The Orville disqualified itself quite rapidly especially the last season was horrible.
Otherwise I guess I agree
@@Cenot4ph I haven't seen the last season of The Orville so for all I know I may agree with you.
@Johnathan Martin it was already stagnating before that imo. I think when they changed studios that's what really did this show jn
@@Cenot4ph The last season was great. Don't know what you are smokin.
@Zach Ginnever đ , right... this is why a lot of show suck these days.
1:07:44 "I just love the D so much" -Angry Joe
Their reaction was hilarious. OJ was like "Hey, thats Joe for yah"
@@alexsilva28 i spit lil bit of beer on my monitor started laughing and realized that i just bought it like a week ago. LE SIGH
If they hadn't shit the bed with regards to using the Borg in the first and second seasons most people wouldn't have a problem with them being the bad guys this season. I'm glad it's not the path-Wraiths because honestly that wouldn't have made any sense to have them going up against the next generation crew.
did joe say he likes the d? lol that would be a great tshirt. 'I love the D' but a picture of the enterprise d lol
He loves the D so much.
License to print money!
If they make this shirt I will buy it!
His exact words were "I love the D so much".
@@kingdave31 Yeah we need to GIF that
I hope Disney is paying attention. This is how you do a sequel with the OG characters! This episode was awesome. I actually teared up when they all walked onto the bridge together.
âI just love the D so muchâ
âOk so letâs see how it wraps up, hopefully itâs satisfying as Iâm hoping.â
Just living Alexâs glances and smirks during that sequence, hahahaahhaha.
Things that are certain in life? Death, taxes, and Alex hating fucking everything.
I understand the Borg fatigue but when it comes to the Borg traits passed to Jack that makes sense to me considering Picards genetics were altered. Parents pass off genetics to their offspring. High blood pressure runs in my family. Guess what? There's a chance that will happen to me. So that aspect makes sense. You might not like the idea but genetics does/can work that way. And when it comes to the transporter pads they can manipulate genes because it literally breaks your body down and reconstructs you pattern. Sometimes transporters can go wrong and mess someone up but it's rare.....until now. And borg assimilation tech works fast and is a quick process once it enters the body.
Yes, but DNA can't create nanobots inside a person's body that would then take that body over and link it to a cyborg network light years away. There are Trek nerd geneticists out there whose hairlines moved back an inch after watching this episode.
@Allen Rubinstein those might not be typical nanobots. And.... who is to say the borg couldn't do this? This was unknown technology that had more unknown side effects than previously thought. meaning nobody had the full grasp of that aapect of the technology. This would be the equivalent of a genetic breakthrough in the understanding of biological research. It would have to be for it to make sense storywise. Thats why they said it was unknown until now. But i will say it is also convenient thing to make up for the stories plot lol. And the transporters being used would also make sense considering it is similar to a replicator. Replicators can create different foods or items. And transporters have been used in the past to remove viruses in an episode of TNG if I remember correctly. They had to turn off the biofilter safety mechanism. But it the changlings added code so the biofilters would not identify anything suspicious
@Allen Rubinstein I forgot to mention that I haven't heard anything about yhe overall plot in the Star Trek saga where former members of the Borg collective went on to produce offspring. Maybe that has happened in the Delra Quadrant. If it did happen that information wouldn't be readily available to anyone in the Alpha Quadrant. For all we know Picard and Jack's story might not be so uncommon that far in the Delta Quadrant.
The whole thing is stupid!
It's such a shame coz the series has been so much better that what's come previously... and then episode 9 happened!
@@allenrubinstein3696 there were no nanobots in Jack. It was a biological assimilation that we saw in Picard disguised as Iromodic syndrome.
The unifying of the fleet ships was designed by the Borg not Starfleet, the Borg got Starfleet to join their ships as one so when they assimilated they could take complete control in one action.
hmm, maybe, would've been really useful if it were mentioned in one line like "We've uncovered numerous reports concerning Unifying security risks, but they were all buried by infiltrated changeling officers"
@@Azhrei2000 you just repeated OP's comment, try reading what I wrote again
@@ytubeanon Well, what else is there to say? It would be redundant to have a line specifically calling it out. This whole season has been all about the fact that the new Changelings have deeply infiltrated Starfleet. Even to the point that they tried several times to reach out to people they knew and thought they could trust, only to discover that they were all replaced by Changelings. It's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that the organizing all Starfleet ships into a single location was orchestrated by the Changelings, who have obviously been working with the Borg. They've said it OVER AND OVER AGAIN every episode. If you can't figure it out after all that, I don't know what to tell you đ€·ââ.
â@@SpiderboyN2Jesus lol what a nerd... it's obvious from several comments and Angry Joe himself that they believed normal humans in Starfleet decided it was a good idea to implement Fleetwide Formation without any other influence... Alex even complained about how he missed the former version of Starfleet in prior serieses, when it was a collection of humanity's best and brightest - and that Season 3 Starfleet, now being a collection of morons (you'd fit right in congrats), is the product of poor writing and was a continuation of Seasons 1 and 2's godawful depiction of Starfleet... you insufferable jackass
Had literall tears in my eyes at the end.
NEVER did I think that I would see the best Enterprise again and even the voice of the computer was Majel Barrett or at least it sounded like her.
Amazing, just amazing and a big thank you to the showrunners.
I like the idea of Jack being activated after Troi opened the door. That would have made more sense versus him going to the Borg on his own. Troi could have realized he was activated while still in his mind and ran to Picard and Beverly. While she was talking to them, Jack could have been fight his manipulated way to the Borg. Also, wasn't shocked the reveal was the Borg because Beverly was listening to Picard's log about the Borg for a reason in episode one. Plus, Shaw said, "The real Borg are still out there."
Jack didn't really have a choice, he thought he had free will, and he probably does to some degree. but he was being called, and his urges were getting stronger and stronger. He thought he was justifying his actions but in the presence of tge queen he is powerless and submits.
but he will likely be a reason Picard and Co can win.
It was bizarre to go from Captain Shaw dying to being expected to love the Enterprise D and the light humor
Picard has a horrible legacy of killing off characters that could have had interesting developments and might have become fan favorites.
Hugh. Rios. Icheb. Ro. And now Shaw.
I like the nostalgia and itâs a huge improvement over season 1 and 2, but there are still some pretty big flaws which I think a lot of fans are glossing over. Iâm guilty of it myself as I do enjoy the memberberries.
Call me a shill but I ate it hook line and sinker. All about member berries when done well. Seeing the enterprise D and crew got me big-time.
@@cajohnson130 it was amazing getting to see the Enterprise again. It just felt really off on first viewing to go from Shaw being killed off in such a bizarre manner to laughing at jokes about the carpet.
Shaw isnât deadâŠ.he canât be killedâŠ..(I keep telling myself)
â@@darthdank1993 who cares? Just some dip shit from Chicago.
The fact it's the Borg is kind of lame considering their overuse but I did think it works with what happened in Season 1/2 of Picard. Plus the technobabble explanation for how the plan came into being was great.
The borg weren't overused in TNG, that's a voyager thing and in a different galaxy. I kust pretend that most of voyager didn't exist. The TNG finale of picard would always be Q or the Borg. Nothing else would make sense and we had Q in all good things and last season.
I have a feeling this will be a way for them to completely Write the borg away, Jack will probably free every drone restoring thier original selves and destroy entire network. They completely wiped out the borg inthe old novels by tying in NX COlumbia and "Enterprise" tv show, they killed off janeway in that one, but some people didnt like ending because 48 trillion people (4/5th entire galaxy) got assimilated or dead, and the drones were not given freedom instead Callier(the Machine/transformer race) absorbed them into thier collective to take care of them as new children, since they are peaceful race they leave and never seen again. SO ver hollow ending. Im assuming this season will retcon all that and try to get rid of borg without that insane casualty number.
I wish at least one of them had made a comment about the Enterprise D's bridge having lights...
OMG when they walked onto the Enterprise D, I immediately said out loud, "Is it about to get bright?" lol as the bridge slowly illuminated, I said, "Damn, it's bright." đ
I'm surprised they didnt go blind.
â@20xitysix *90s
No đ©
They did on several occasions around 1:28:00
If you guys donât noticed that the saucer section still has her burn marks from her crash
I'm suprised they didn't catch the fact it's been established that Changelings can exist in space (Odo meets another Changeling that was sent from the link who was literally flying through space as the form of some sort of entity). Was a good ending for Vadic but it still bugs me.
they were altered though... maybe they can mimic organs, but lost the ability to turn into mist and space dwellers? idk... also maybe youll need to prepare more? i mean she was blasted off the ship pretty quick :)
bugged me too though... but not much
@@REDN0AK Yeah I get you, just something I flagged up, I guess I'm extra sensitive after the circus that was season 2 haha.
They ressurect Bones with AI driven CGI tech so that he can save the day. We all know that space hippy never used a new transporter, and was alive at the start of the series... coulda survived another 20 years.
36:20 "Beverly had sex with the ghost thing right?"
how could anyone ever actually forget, shame on Angry Joe :(
1:09:14 ok apparently he remembered the ghost sex, redeemed lol
1:25:52 would be nice to mention there was a callback about the Enterprise-D on the episode with Geordi's return, they're talking about fighting the changelings and his daughter says something like 'but dad what about the secret thing in the hanger bay"
Raphi has the âKurtzman aura.â A plot armor more powerful and more stupid than any ever seen before! đ±
Anyone else heel like Jerborgi was quietly cut out of the show? We have an OG queen back now.
Good
Jurfarti! Iâm glad they killed everyone from previous seasons , now just gotta kill that raffi
The Pah Wraiths wouldn't have made any sense because they're not a TNG villain. It would be like if you were doing a Superman show and the Big Bad was revealed to be Reverse Flash. If we see the changelings again, I think the Borg are going to turn on them and assimilate them.
I questioned Jackâs plan in this episode as well and it did seem pretty stupid. I think that they were trying to go with him being sort of under a spell. Consciously he wants to fight it but deep down heâs being drawn to it like a moth to flame. Thinking of it that way is what helped me accept it but I totally understand if others struggle with it.
Yeah I was under the impression that he was always pulled to the Borg by the Queen so he just thought screw it and gave in to the pull
My take on it is that they are trying to make the qualities of Picard stand out more in Jack. When Picard gets angry he can become a lot like a charging bull. Picard gets angry several times throughout his career, but the difference is if it is personal to him or not. There a shift in Picard when it becomes personal anger and they showed this earlier in the season when Picard kept telling Riker to stand and fight which almost ended them there as a result (Picard on the subject of the Borg in general can be very rash. He is a victim. He was used and abused).
By having Jack do what he did it is going to allow for a conversation to happen between Father and Son where both can relate to each other and a moment can be had that will help pull Jack from the Borg queen's control. A morality teaching moment for the audience where no matter what mistakes you have made in life a Father always forgives. A Father always understands. However, you also have to take responsibility for your mistakes in life.
This will probably result in Jack taking control of the Star Fleet and turning it onto the cube.
He is impulsive so that's how this works for me.
@@KYRSZ-gd1qt Having Jack turn Starfleet onto the cube was a pretty good idea. I think maybe they just didn't want Jack to get too much of the credit in the end.
Iâm not a Trek fan but I love listening to RLM and Angry Joe talk about it. You can see how passionate they are about it.
Yes me too I love the passion
At this point Data has more lives than his cat, Spot.
I think Starfleet is making these bad decisions (i.e. gather the fleet, introduce fleet formation) at the behest of changeling influence.
What fleet. its literally like 30 ships... should be thousands.
@@FireHam I just counted one of the several cluster of ships⊠there was at least 40-50 in it. Thereâs 11 circles on screen. So that tells me itâs roughly 1/2K ships. Thatâs pretty decent.
@@FireHam fleet was never that big, even during the domination war
Wolf 359 was like 40ish ships lost and that crippled starfleet for years
@@TheRoleplayer40k Wrong. There was only 40ish ships that was close enough able to get to Wolf 359 in time, it has no correlation whatsoever to the actual number of ships in starfleet. The battle in which the federation retook DS9, the federation used over 600 ships, and that was only comprised of two fleets (third and fifth) we are talking about ship numbers in the several thousands. Dosent seem to me you know anything, yet you speak.
@@TheWWDproductions I also noticed they upped the numbers in the latest episode. I was basing it off the prior episode which where the fleet was already assembled. Theres a big inconsistency between scenes.
As stated by many, I was hoping that the Admiral turned out to be "Admiral Fuckface, aka Admiral Hubris," but it turned out to be just Shelby from "Best of Both Worlds." That callback needed more banter between she and Riker since they were never on good terms and now she surpassed him.
I did not expect them to give Data actual good treatment considering how they handled Q, Picard himself and *many others*
That's because it was a totally different showrunner this season who is actually a Star Trek fan (he was around in some capacity since Voyager).
â@@BrandonBlume and I couldn't be happier for it. We need this kind of direction and writting for the rest of Star Trek again.
Season 3 legitimately *almost* makes you forget the awful first 2 seasons and ends the story of the TNG cast with a bang.
@@filipvadas7602 Yes! đ
@The RottenđŻ That's true, but the showrunners weren't without blame either. Michael Chabon, for instance, admitted to writing stuff "just to tick off Republicans." Get that crap attitude out of my Star Trek.
Yeah about the RLM point of not tracking at Warp, I think they were referring to the when the Intrepid was firing at them. The Intrepid had just had it's nacelle 'splodid by Commander Ro.
There was a scene where the Titan left the Daystrom station and 2 starships arrived moments later and just floated in space like D'uh we just missed them!
@@Random_Tangent oh yeah I do remember that. I think I can forgive that happening only once as the other times they either had a cloak or the ships engines were disabled.
I guess I just assumed they cared more about guarding the station. I also think the speed of the Titian is much faster than most ships. Think this was implied earlier but could have just been impulse speeds.
But yes that was very clunky.
Pah-wraiths weâre a ds9 villian, what connection to Picard do they have?
getting assimilated by Borg was the singular most traumatizing event to Picard.
This season exists in a bubble outside itâs two predecessors for all functional purposes.
"I just love the 'D' so much" 1:07:41 - Angry Joe 2023
1:07:44 If AJ saying, "I just love the D so much!" doesn't become a clip somewhere I will be highly disappointed. LOL
I figured that jack was under some kind of mind control to make him leave. The same control that prevented him from firing on the queen.
Yeah, I did too. They alluded to it being Beverly's influence that had kept him trying to repress it all (causing the dreams/visions) for as long as he did. He was obviously being compelled to go to the Borg, and Deanna getting him to open the door inadvertently broke down his resistance to it.
That was how I saw it anyway.
@@arch1017 yes. Well put.
That image I clicked on looked like the crew just came back from their own funerals. It's sad to see 90s hope in the backdrop to the nearly sadistic present we find ourselves in.
The fact that "Ryker is carrying the show" in a series called Picard, is very telling about how this series should probably have been called "Star Trek: Ryker" instead.
Why didn't they use either the tractor beam or phasers to disable the shuttle once Jack was on it? All Picard had to do was call Shaw and tell him to stop Jack.
The pah wraths is one of the options I had in mind too but I don't know if I'd be happy about that with no Ben sisko, as that should be tied to his story arc which is still unresolved. Imagine a season 4 with some ds9 mixed and and Picard helping the sisko, which would also close off their arc quite nicely. ITS LIKE POETRY! Lol
1:07:45 well while I was watching this review I got to this moment and my wife walks in the room and hears this and immediately is wondering what the hell am I watching.. thanks for that chuckle Joe đ
If Terry had 22 episodes, then he would. Paramount gave him 10 episodes.
I am pretty sure that Elnor was on the Excelsior, so he was killed off screen, and probably won't even be acknowledged in the final episode.
Star Trek: Oh we have a problem! This is going to be a big issues!
Ryan: Actually it's going to be super easy. Barely an inconvenience!
Star Trek: Oh really!?
Jack is going to do a backflip, snaps the borgqueen head and save the day.
it made complete sense that he would become data when he absorbed all of his memories and experiences..these are the 2 things that shape a person
yes i really like the borg for the third time....because it is the only enemy that makes sense in a "Picard" Show and to come around and finish his Story. They are the biggest thing that happened in his life and it is the worst possible thing he could have passed on to Jack. it just fits.
@@therotten6152 I agree with you on the errors of the two seasons before and all we can do sadly is to try and ignore them as best as we can. It seems the showrunner of Season three tried to do the same ^^
remember when these guys said Picard Season 3 was shit before the show was aired.
I think Shaw is not gone for good. I think he might be dead but I saw comments about the Borg apparently being able to resurrect someone for a limited time, and I think Seven Of Nine still has the Borg nanotech inside her, so I think he'll be resurrected. Star Trek, especially modern Star Trek, has not been shy about resurrections. There have been like eight, not counting the time loops. I think he'll be back
Also I think the Borg Queen won't have a nose. I think she'll look skeletal so she matches better with the Big Giant Head
Finally, wtf guys almost a week I've been waiting for this review?
And then it's called ' S3 Ep7 & Ep8' despite them already doing episode 7th. I'm confused, like the writers of Picard.
@@RUSE321 thanks
@@RUSE321 We'll allow it.
I think originally, the changelings, and maybe the Dominion, were meant to take a larger role in this season and the borg were just thrown in there last second. Don't get me wrong, this is a good thing since it does somewhat fix what they did with the borg in the second season by bringing back the original evil borg.
Nope. Unlike JJ "Mystery Box" Abrams and Alex "failing upwards" Kurtzman, Terry Matalas had everything planned from the beginning and every thread pays off. Nothing was changed last minute. Certainly not the Borg reveal.
Alex and Angry Joe are being idiots, as they couldn't see that Jack Crusher was being controlled by the Borg Queen. That's why he went straight to her, but couldn't pull the trigger on his phaser. In fact, that's why he thought he would make a difference by going straight to the Borg in the first place... because he was no longer able to resist the Borg Queen's commands. And these Changelings were not changelings from the great link. These were a bunch of test tube changings created by Star Fleet experimentation. This show was never going to be about a rehash of the Dominion. It's a total nostalgic sendoff to The Next Generation, facing down their most iconic foes one last time. I, for one, am enjoying the heck out of this, flaws and all. The call backs and fan service in this series make it a 10/10, must watch, for all Star Trek TNG fans.
I completely agree with everything you said. I will not be watching their review for episode 10 because all it is Alex saying all the shit he hates and bringing Joe on his level. They not understanding what was going on with Jack and the Borg was really frustrating. I took LOVE this season and am taking it for what it is. An incredible sendoff for a crew that should have gotten this TWENTY YEARS AGO.
I mean come on....just ENJOY WHAT YOUR GETTING! Many fans would kill to get this kind of treatment for their old characters!
would've helped if we saw Jack trying to resist his Borg brainwash programming with eye color changes, otherwise it all looks like his free will choices
how does the borg control jack? Jack is the only biological transmitter. That is why the borg needed jack, they can't just control him or control anyone else without him.
I think the lame thing though is how the crew treated him when they realised what he was. It was unalike them, and make me not like them as much lol
@@nicolasvega-frey4543 I think there were a lot of plot conveniences needed to get people where they needed to be... the crew couldn't react normally to Jack cuz he needed to feel rejected enough to stupidly go rogue into the Borg Queen's hands
As a Star Trek fan, Iâve been feed crap for years and now they handed me a steak dinner, you know as the song says You donât always get what you wonât we sometimes get what we need. Ultimately, I think there was not enough story for ten episodes and I totally agree this season of Picard needed to be season one. But dame I wish that steak was a lobster!
Alex, you need to watch The Expanse! If your lacking science in your sci-fi that show has it in droves
i dont think Vadic's minions are also changlings, I think they are something similar to the jem'hadar, hence why the sword works. Further more if I'm wrong on this, they also have established that these changlings are different, having been altered and changed.
I'm sorry to say, I've got quite a bit of nerd salt after watching this. You guys challenge so many plot threads that are literally explained, i can't cope. What good is it as reviewers if you're saying that the show isn't providing the logic, when they did time and time again. I imagine there were distractions? Shouting? And you've missed key dialogue?
How do par wraiths make more sense than the explanation they gave? Why is it so hard to believe Data won when he explained that humans are the sum of their "experiences" ie memories? Why do you think Jack should have waited until after frontier day? when they didn't have the benefit of hindsight, they needed answers then and there before any disaster occured.
I challenge you to get on twitter and ask Terry anything you're confused over, he will likely respond to you and he's done a great job clearing up confusion people have had.
I've really enjoyed this season, I'm sorry that the cynicism is high or that you didn't get your expected par wraiths, but it is what it is.
Maybe don't try so hard to find things that are at fault and first talk about what works, then you will appreciate the care that has gone in, despite the few flaws we all know it has - its been a wonderful season.
Agreed.
I like these guys for gaming news and reviews, but I just can't sit through another one of these negative for the sake of being negative reviews.
Lol I remember his review for ep 5, which is generally praised by Trek fans, but AJS crew hate it and spent half of the review -shitting- focusing on Raffi. The backlash on the comments were so severe. People were pointing out what they missed (ignored) that forced him to apologize in the comment section. Some critics they are.
đ€Šââjack doesn't think he will kill the borg queen or something. he is compelled subconsciously by the remnants of hive mind to go inside that cube. this is kind of obvious...
Borg Queen gives Jack the designation Q and thus begins his journey through space and time that explains Qs fascination with Picard.. and spin off: Star Trek - Young Q
Riding the memberberries train to the end, the story I've just come to expect that they cannot write good Trek any more.
Guys, itâs the Borg who made this fleet unity thing, so they could control Starfleet. And since key Starfleet personnel were changelings, they were able to do it. Actual human Starfleet personnel were not responsible for this.
All I hear with their complaints with episode 9, and why the writing is bad is because their theories were wrong? Who cares. The Borg makes sense as the villain as this is the big TNG finale, and the Borg are the ultimate TNG villain.
When you send off the TNG crew you need to send off the Borg, too.
Watch TNGâs Best of Both Worlds again you dummies. Crusher literally says the Borg have rewritten his dna and in the episode says thereâs a buildup in Picardâs parietal lobe. When we first learn about irromodic syndrome in All Good Things they say itâs in his parietal lobe⊠it all fits
Would be cool if they did three seasons of "Star Trek: Kirk" next. Why else would they keep his remains on Daystrom Station? A museum piece only?
Same story as the TV show called "V"!
There was a TV show called "V" with the beautiful Morena Baccarin, where the story was the same. There was a halfling human-insect creature that listens to the insect queen and can control all the humans, so in the end the insect queen controls the humans through the halfling, and there was some genetics modification too as well. Here the half human-borg Jack can control all genetically modified humans and the borg queen controls all the human trough him. :(
Also some Battlestar Galactica, since both the Enterprise D and the Galactica only survived/could function after a giant assault because they were too low tech to be networked with the modern systems.
Yes there's that too!
Shaw's death was earned and here's why. He died making sure everyone else safely got to the escape pod from the Borg which completes his arc beautifully.
Goddamn, these guys are harsh critics lol. I wasn't into the beginning of ep 8, but damn, the way we finally had a conclusion for Lore I thought was beautifully done, and really fit not only his character, but Data's as well. Which raised that entire episode significantly. and Ep 9 was just great, period.
Yeah, the Pa Waraith plan seemed much better. Enabling Star Fleet crew to all be possessed by the Wraiths would of been amazing.
You have to remember that these altered Changelings aren't like we remember. Being given the ability to replicate humanoid bodies better cost them some of their shape-shifting abilities, and Vadic's henchmen seem even more limited. That's why they fight hand to hand instead of just turning their hands into weapons
you forgot to mention tht the changelings didnt invade en masse they had thr jemhadar⊠so if they were csptured experimented on⊠there would have been like 10 max but in the show they have enough crew to have foot soldiers n enough to run a ship⊠also vadek kills her own⊠a changeling does not harm another or did they forgetâŠ. transporter dna changers and transmitter jack make no sense,, yes the changelings couldve done the dns changes for the transporter but the borg jus need to be close by to control transmit a signal
But when Jack was holding what Vadic thought was a bomb she taunted him saying "You think that will kill me?" Which I was thinking "probably" since we've seen Changelings die from phaser fire and at least one that died on a ship when the inertial dampners failed. Personally I think it would have been far better if most of Vadic's crew would have been Jem'Hadar. Raffy fighting them hand to hand would still be far fetched but at least better than taking on half a dozen Changlings.
@@TheAtkey exactly the changelings dont do the fightin they have the jemhadar n vorta⊠borg dnt need human transmitters⊠if the dna been altered theyd have jus needed to park the cube in sol system n do it⊠but they dont even need to do that
DNA codes for proteins, proteins are the molecular machinery of the body. Inserted borg dna=borg proteins = organic borg nanobots.
1:07:40-1:07:48 Joe's Proclamation: I just love the D so much. Clipped for all time.
Thank you guys for casting a critical eye on this show as well as praise, when deserved, instead of the shill praise from other channels.
Real men don't nip pick like little b's
In regards to the comments about Worf and the Enterprise E, I believe in novels Worf was the Captain of the E after Picard. I never read any of them but I think that was the case.
1:07:44 I just love the D so much
I guess Jack isn't the only one with a closet door
Glad to see these reviews back
"Starfleet is mentally deficient." Aaaaand there we go.
if old school Star Trek was being made today, the conservatives would be whining about it's, "wokeness"
Kind of think that's why they made this Star Fleet seem so shitty in comparison to what Star Fleet is SUPPOSED to represent.
old school Star Trek is kind of around with Star Trek: Strange New Worlds
what happended to the Borg from the end of season 2?? are they just forgotten about because i thought they filmed season 2 & 3 together? i bet Picard calls them for help.. if not, then not only was season 1 bad, but now season 2 has no meaning as well..
I think you missread the way Data overrode Lore, giving the trinkets and telling the story wasn't a subversion, by sharing them with Lore he installed Data ('s memories) into Lore. That was the beauty of it, he did it in plain sight of us and Lore. It gave us all in once, memberberries and a clever, let's even say "Starfleet", way to overcome an obstacle.
I have to say that I prefer the atmosphere of the D, to anything that came after TNG. In every series the lights get dimmer and the stories get worse. I swear on the newer shows the actors are basically standing around in the dark. I understand that darker lighting sets a darker mood, but the producers, and writers have basically decided that everyone has a garbage life, and it will only get worse. Any time there is a shred of optimism, they lower the lights, and violate or kill someone.
Has anybody tried the AJ GFuel flavor yet? Can we get an honest review of it?
"I love the D so much" - Angry Joe 2023
I feel like Alex needs some joy in his life
I said the same thing and got completely blasted by his little minions.
â@@zelig1799 facts because it's true
Everything Alex said is correct. Y'all just have some low standards.
@@Xanlet nah he is just selective chossing what he thinks is "magic" flying in a warp bublle is magic alos. but he seems fine with that
@@Xanlet Whatever. I stand by my assessment.
Joe gets excited⊠then Alex whines (again) and you see the happiness leave his eyes⊠đ€Šââïž
This last episode was huge.... The Borg have always been such a terrifying enemy and now they're so much more of a menace. The Queen was playing the long game with Locutus/Picard.
Why does Joe keep asking for Sisko to return? Sisko is DEAD. Unless Joe wants him to return as a wormhole alien, there's no bringing him back.
So the borg gave Picard something that killed him, even though they wanted him to have a kid to pass it on? Hey Geordi or someone how about you man the engineering station on the bridge while no one is actually in engineering. TNG Season 2 Unnatural Selection, O'brien says the transporter keeps a record of all transmissions, a pattern if you will. Usually, itâs just stored for security purposes. So... security didn't look at these altered transmissions? Anyway the solution to this episode was to get old dna of the person who's dna was altered and resend someone through the transporter. Reconstitute them with the old DNA.
I don't think the plan was to have Picard have a kid when they altered his DNA. This was just a short term objective - have Locutus receiving the Borg. Jack was an accidental improvement. How the Borg or Changelings found out about Jack I don't know. Maybe they accessed Starfleet medical data (they did - Vadic knew about Shaw's PTSD - probably some Changelings in Starfleet Medical, too) and saw that Beverly had a child, figured out Picard is his father, realized what this could mean and went for Jack.
Did anybody else notice the parallel to Battlestar Galactica? "Oh no, a robot type villian is attacking and they can control all ships that are linked, we better get an analog ship so we are unaffected" Just seems unoriginal.
01:32:00 To be fair Star fleets hubris to go "Just because it failed before, got taken advantage of before, utterly made fools of us before is no reason for us to stop this, short of a diplomatic incident we are going to continue until it succeeds or kills us all" is perfectly fitting with them.
It was "super easy, barely an inconvenience..."
Dunno how anyone can think that the Borg came out of leftfield. I figured it would be a 'Blood Borg' type thing quite early on
You need codes to mess with life support. If this guy is going to review he should know what he's talking about.
I was disappointed that the Borg were back, cause I thought they had finally ended that problem in season 2. I was so hoping for something different especially with the Changelings being a part of it.
The thing that's annoying is AJs attitude that "if u don't agree with me ur wrong" đ
Frontal attacks would work if they send more than 1 cube đ
Couple things I took away.
I thought Data defeating Lore via integration and acceptance rather than combat was clever to me. They even state Data wouldn't destroy Lore because of his Ethical programming, but Data has always outsmarted Lore by taking advantage of Lore's arrogance. Data knew what Lore would do with his memories, and by integrating everything Data was, he merged with his brother, that to me is very Data.
Not being able to track ships at warp has been established in previous series many times. Often with the throwaway line "they masked their warp trail" so avoiding tracking via warp trail is something all the senior staff on the Titan would know how to do.
It would have been so much better if they did show the crew retaking the ship using their talents in a more creative way.
I didnt mind the borg reveal in a vacuum. As Joe said...if this was Picard Season 1 this would have been great...but its the borg again...a third time. The season is dragged down by the two that came before it.
The borg have become the zombie game meme for star trek lol
Borg: RESISTANCE IS FUTILE
Picard: wE HAvE raFI and KiTchEn kniVes
[borg collective commencing voluntary shudown]
In regards to the Data/Lore scene, why couldn't Picard plug himself in to help Data when they thought Data was losing? or was it because they didn't want Lore to spread into Picard's brain?
I don't think there are bigger or badder known villains in Star Trek than the Borg however yes, they are as much over-used as the Daleks in Doctor Who. Atleast Shaw was right in that "the real Borg are still out there, none of that Stargazer crap"
the clip of the D you used at 49:27 has no registry or name painted on the front, don't know how they didn't catch that but despite the "NCC 1701-D" reveal earlier, this one doesn't have a name.
When I learned Picards body went missing, I kinda expected the borg to reanimate Locutus. Seeing him and Picard face off would have been interesting.
The under 25 thing was a jab at at the viewing audience of discovery fans. The truth is evrything actually makes sense if you go back and watch every episode and pay attention. Terry Matalas said from the start that this was the send off he didnât feel that the cast got. So it made quite a lot of logical sense that he would use the Borg story line. Less we not forget that the Borg in this episode are actually borg like!!! Not some soft transgender bending new age Borg culture, but an actual threat to mankind and the galaxy again!!!
It's not just a send off for the TNG crew but also the Borg - for good. It started 35 years ago and it will end this night!
âI just love the âDâ so muchâ. AJ 1:07:43
And no one commented on that , I am so disappointed.
It feels like the writers just dont trust the intelligence of the Star Trek fandom.
Well done for calling out the shitty writing in the final episodes, not sure why RLM glossed over it