AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Ryzen 7 7700 & Ryzen 9 7900 Review & Benchmarks
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02:49 - Meet the new non-X CPUs
05:47 - Test System Specs
06:09 - Operating Behaviour
08:32 - Cinebench R23 Multi-core
09:22 - Cinebench R23 Single-core
09:49 - 7-Zip File Manager
10:14 - Adobe Photoshop 2022
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10:45 - System Power Consumption
11:47 - Hitman 3
12:18 - Horizon Zero Dawn
12:37 - Cyberpunk 2077
13:09 - 10 Game Average
14:25 - Cooling
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AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Ryzen 7 7700 & Ryzen 9 7900 Review & Benchmarks
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Small error in the test system specs, please note we've recently changed to the Gigabyte X670E Master motherboard for our AM5 test system. The gaming benchmarks were updated for this video.
You should ve tested at low quality settings. These powerful CPUs make GPU bottleneck.
CPU market is in such a good state but the GPU one is despair and sorrow
Yup, new CPUs but with older GPUs it is. The 10-Series Nvidia GPU will have to do for a while longer.
yep...If only GPUs was as good :(
This literally happens every other generation
Side effects of monopoly. Don't forget the cpu market was similar to current GPU market back when Intel had monopoly on cpu
Take a look at the used RTX 3000/Radeon 6000 series graphics cards market, all is not that grim ... :)
Imagine if GPUs were this competitive.
CPUs have bigger margins than GPUs, 300% vs 200%, so you should say the opposite
@@marsovac source: trust me
@@amazingamazigh6847 they definetly have a way bigger margain overall as the dies are usually way smaller as on GPUs and theres no board with all kinds of components, memory and a cooler
yet some of them cost 800USD
You can always wait for the next generation or buy the previous. No need to upgrade every generation like a console peasant!
@AVerySillySausage you have a really good profile picture
Enabling PBO on the 7700 and playing with the PPT limit might be an interesting experiment to see where it stops scaling nicely.
Linus did that, 7900 was able to achieve over 95% the performance of 7900x by only increasing power limit. Though, non-X CPUs generally don't overclock that well. At least they allow overclocking on these budget processors anyway ( looking at you, Intel)
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat perhaps with AMD's software one could even make a gaming profile that raises the power limit while running specific games/software?
I don't have a modern enough system to test that myself.
@@MikaelKKarlsson don't need to increase power limit for gaming, you only need to increase it for none cache constrained all core loads.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat and free beast cooler 😎
probably where the X parts come as stock because it seems that AMD has already given the X parts enough power that there really isn't much scaling left.
I grabbed R5 5600 on launch (already had AM4 platform) and seeing AM5 mobo prices - that was absolutely best bang for the buck to do.
same here, besides, in a realistic build in which rtx 4090 would be used with a 4k display, there would be practically no difference from the 7600
same
I grabbed 5800X3D. Best thing to run my 4090 for sure. No point going for the AM5 platform cost yet, not until Zen 5 X3D.
got mine 5600x for decent price, it is rock solid beast.
@@crylune but then there will be 5090
Make as many in-video ads as you like. If this is a way how I can "pay" for your awesome work, I'm totally fine with it.
Ads embedded into content are preferred because ads from YT are sometimes criminally loud.
Yeah that asshole on twitter was out of his mind
Steve shouldn't have deleted his initial response to him
Imagine being so entitled. 🙄🙄
I will always support ads in HUB's videos they put out some of the best reviews on the platform
Ltt has like 3 of them in a video, not a problem
I always skip ads.
With X3D parts on their way soon too, I don't think 7000X parts will be going back to MSRP. No one would buy a $399 7700X, when you have a $329 w/ a great box cooler and a $399-449 7800X3D. But they may get somewhere in between IDK
Also, strange having 13900K there, but not the 7950X.
I expect about 75 - 100$ more for the 3D variant, if their performance is top tier they will charge for it. They don't need to make the 3D version ones the main sellers.
Well the 7800X3D might go for 600 :P
@@AndreiCotovanu It will be way way more, look how the 5800x3d is priced compared to the non 3d variant - pricing is completely detached
very optimistic 7800x3d prices
@@nostrum6410 yeah VERY optimistic
I bought the 3600 in 2020 and I didn't regret it at all and I upgraded from a 2600k that was 10 years old. But I've just upgraded to a 5600 because they went down to £120 before Xmas and I did see more performance in my games.
But sold the 3600 got £70 so a £50 upgrade and I'm happy with it, and it's on B450 if I was upgrading to a complete new socket the 7600 would be my choice
Literally did the same thing, upgraded my 3600 to a 5600, because there was a very good deal on it. The only difference, is that I gave my old CPU to a friend who still had his R5 1600 😅
sold my 3600 while my rx580 was getting RMA and got a 5700g during peak Crypto mining prices. Could play the same games on the iGPU my old HD9750 could. Lost interest in the state of modern games and the current GPU situation is still mad. B450 was a solid choice to make at the time.
Yep, slapped a 5600X on a B350 board that had the r5 1600. Still waiting to sell the r5 1600, maybe 80$CAD is too much. But yeah, it was a great socket!
Why did you pick 7600 and not 7700?
This a load of consumerism crap, you don't need to upgrade just because new shiny thing got released, plus all the money is dumbed for not so much gain.
I really liked the "operating Behavior" new section (at least for me) solid review content as always
I think the main issue still is the pricing on the motherboards
Comparing 160 bucks for AM5 to 110 bucks AM4 it's a small price to pay when wanting to build new (!) and going the more future proof DDR5 route.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 You're missing the vastly higher DDR5 prices too though. Even worse the shitty memory controller can't handle high end DDR5 so you're stuck in the middle at a premium price.
@@kennethpereyda5707 6x PCs Each has at least 7 years of day-after-day work. A few PCs 10 years old work as well but are too slow for the current software and systems.
Facts
Very fast and efficient CPUs, with so many options. Great!
I wished we would see the GPU market in a similar shape!
Great stuff. Your cost per frame analysis is always the best thing about your hardware reviews
If the behaviour witnessed with PBO Curve Optimiser on Zen 3 happens similarly with these, that efficiency can be even better. Looking like I lucked out by waiting to dive into AM5; now just waiting to see what the X3D versions offer.
Great video! Lots of good info. If I didn't get my new build at a crazy price I would have gone last gen. I got my setup at microcenter for 7700x@$323, gskill fx5 32gb 6000 CL36@$0.01(free essentially), And MSI b650m mortar wifi@220 for a good deal- combo deal around 12/11/22
You tested stuffs fast and I watch the video fast Steve! Amazing job!
Thank you! Super pro reviews as always!!
Awesome video as per usual.
Keep up the most excellent work 😃
Replying to my own comment.. I upgraded from a 10400f/h470/ddr4 combo to a 6700/b650m/ddr5 combo based on this report by Steve. (also did the PSU/cpu cooler) The uplift is nothing short of staggering(paired with a Pulse 6700xt). Thanks Steve and all those @Hardware Unboxed
Zen 4 "Eco mode enabled out of the box"
It will be a number of years before I upgrade my company's workstations, but it is helpful to stay apprised of changes in technology. Thank you for the review and benchmarking videos that you produce. These are invaluable in making an informed and deliberated decision...when that time comes.
Great video as always! Top work 🙌
The cheapest B650 ATX board here in the Netherlands is €230 and that's down from €239 in oktober. The cheapest X670 ATX board is €280 down from €309.
AM5 motherboards are still way too overpriced.
Yeah, that's why I just bought an i5 12400F (190 euro) with a Z690 (170 euro) + some 32gb cheap DDR4 3600 (100 euro) to upgrade my i7 2600k. I really wanted to go the AMD route, but I vote with my wallet. You do get a way better upgrade path for AM5, but somewhere this or next year I'll slap in an i5 13600k, undervolt it + limit the power and call it a day.
@@Dennell_Mount_and_Blade 5600(X)+B550 would have been much cheaper!
just upgraded from a ryzen 2700 to a ryzen 5600 for 130 euros, best upgrade ever, my 1440p build with a rtx 2070 super seems really unleashed now, full 100% gpu utilization, everywhere!
Hate to break it to you but having one component bottleneck you at all times is hardly optimisation.
@@gumbahasselhoff Where did they say anything about optimization? All they stated was that the GPU utilization is at 100%, which is what you would want to see at 1440p vs not. If you are sitting on a GPU that is not 100% being utilized in gaming, then most likely your CPU is *seriously* holding you back. They solved that problem with the 5600. 🤷♂
@@gumbahasselhoff what non sense are you saying? The gpu should ALWAYS stay at 100%, it's is job, the cpu should back it up but saying that having a fully utilized gpu is bad, you don't get something very important about pc's...
I love the informative content. I'm also happy that I went team red at Zen2. My current plan is to go from my 3700X to the 5800X3D and then look at a sensible upgrade for my 5700XT that isn't going to cost me a begillion dollars. Moving to something of a flip flop upgrade path where I don't have to do a full system if I can avoid it. Doing the GPU and platform on alternate cycles and CPU every cycle. Yeah, I know... good luck!
Thank you very much for the all-in-one-video review!! Packt with useful data! It left me only with one question: *What about sound of the respective included coolers on Ryzen 7000?* I think that the Stealth of the 7600 would tend to be unbearable.
Cheers from Argentina!
Depends on what you consider unbearable. It is not that bad. On a 65W CPU at full load it makes about 30db a meter away. But there are cases where they have weird vibrations. Also you would want to change the thermal material for a real paste under it. I would also suggest undervolting if you want silence.
From the reviews I've seen, this one included, the 7900 is a beast with PBO enabled. When it comes time to change platforms, that's gonna be my choice.
Agreed, the 7900 will be my indisputed choice 🥰
I've made the change from Intel. Great platform 👍
Getting 7900 today after months of and research :D
@@melalcantara4377 had the 7900 for a couple of months. You won't be disappointed 👍
7900 with box cooler at 70 C, Impressive stuff, compared to a 13900k with 360 cooler.
I imagine a big part of the hesitation on zen 4 wasn't the higher prices, it was waiting for the x3d version. I got a 5900x and then felt pretty dumb when the 5800x3d part came out half a year better and had way way better performance. I've been telling family to wait for this gen's x3d because its so much better value.
Steve I really appreciate the work you put into your videos
Great and realistic review! I would also buy non-x varian and enable PBO (probably most viewers too), so you get a cooler and almost the same performance(depending on the workload) as the x variant.
_And of course you can manually OC it too, if you have the time for it_
But that's pretending the X skus can't also enable PBO. You can't overclock one CPU and compare it to another that's stock.
@@zodwraith5745 🙃 Then you don't understand how PBO works on the AMD cpus. The X variants CPUs already at the wall(no thermal headroom) so enabling PBO does nothing, in the best you gain 1% performance (in the very best case scenario it is 3% in some synthetic benchmarks). Because the non-x variants have thermal headroom PBO give you a significant boost, almost like a X variants, in real life use, there is no much difference.
On the X variants you use the PBO with eco mode; to reduce the temps and have almost the same(or the same) performance while running cooler.
On the non-X variants you enabling PBO to run faster while also running hotter.
There are several videos about this subject(with much more detailed explanation) on GN(the newest video), HU, OT, TQ etc.
Thanks a lot for this review Steve. I really poured over the data... I decided to go with the 7700 for my 4090 4k gaming rig. If you factor in having to buy extra cooling for the 7700X then it works out costing _more_ per frame at 1440p than the 7700 non X after all.
However, if it gets noisy then I'll sell the wraith and get a water cooler. 😁
Great review, many thanks
Great content but it would be nice to also show the non X CPUs with the standard cooler since if you buy them you may want to keep it to save money. Also there is still no B650 motherboard VRM tests. Are they all good enough so it isn’t needed?
Awesome, awesome, awesome work. I expect nothing less from this channel. It's funny - Nvidia temporarily banning Hardware Unboxed from receiving FE cards to review is what got me to start watching, and i've watched every video since then. And even now every video since the inception of Monitors Unboxed. These reviews are so detailed, well organized and focused on a product's effect on the consumer. The fact that these videos are free is a steal for us the audience.
Couldn't agree more, I love HUB.
100% agree
Depedning on price and performance of the 3dx parts the 7900 might be the best seller of this gen.
thanks as always!
Thank you for testing the stock cooler
GPU prices are so absurd that the sponsor advertises the old line of products.
I just recently bought a 7950x and it was an easier pill to swallow compared to the motherboards. These boards seriously need a price-adjustment if AMD wants more people to jump on board.
The question is, can AMD do something about them?
Yeah, I won't be changing my x570 5800x3d any time soon.
hihi jump on board
to be fair, in many places, Intel boards with DDR5 support start at about the same prices as AM5 boards.
@@mariuspuiu9555right, and no one is buying the DDR5 boards cause they’re overpriced. But unlike AMD, that’s not the only choice, and that’s their problem.
great analysis for new builders decisions
Interesting to see how the various small price changes over the past few months have added up to actually amount to a fairly meaningfully more competitive market. Great!
Holy shit I'm blown away by the stock cooler performance on these parts. These cpus are super-efficient.
In my country (Romania) AM5 motherboards are EXTREMELY expensive... So, as it stands, there's no way that I would consider this platform. Anyway, my Ryzen 5 3600X is still working very well after almost 4 years, so there's no real reason to upgrade. And even if I were to upgrade, the 5800X3D would be the sensible choice (it's still readily available at good/discounted prices + it's more performance than I actually need, anyway).
Intel boards with DDR5 support start at the same price point (around 170 euro) so you are pretty much limited to AM4 right now unless you want to break the bank for a new PC.
@@mariuspuiu9555 Indeed!
Same down here in Bulgaria. Decent B650 board is 260€ with high end models going to 400+. And B650E is idiotically expensive STARTING at 300... Lowest X670E you can get away with is 400. And of course, there are 900+ models for the people, who have completely lost their minds. 🤷🏻♂️
Nobody cares!
freedom for TOP G 🙌
Time to drop the review on B650 & X670 mobo, looking forward so much on the round up👍
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You guys are literally the best review channel on youtube. God I love your videos, you literally do everything right. I love LTT, GamersNexus and alle the other big players but you guys have like 100% information and 0% trashtalk, and not even that but all that information is worked up to perfection - on the other chanels you sometimes have to listen very careful to get the information among all the unneccesary talk
Keep on the great work!
here in UK, even considering that I will be able to upgrade cheaply in future with an AM5 platform,
The motherboards are crazily priced.
So the initial cost is too high and I will wait until my machine breaks completely before doing this upgrade.
May as well just buy a new board every few years with Intel at this point, usually get better performance and cheaper. Just got a 13700k and will likely wait for Arrow Lake next.
I really like those CPUs. 100W difference is quite impressive for only a small performance loss.
Your videos quality increased. Congrats.
Saw this coming,am getting into AM5 when we get to the ryzen9000 series,still rocking the Ryzen 7 5700 n loving it
Damn, Pc building is looking bright this year! We have value cpus coming in, many cheap cooler options, motherboards are a bit pricy but hopefully AMD delivers on its promise for entry level AM5 boards, dd5 ram is steadily decreasing and DDR4 ram has incredible value for last gen builds, and even Nvme SSds get great discounts here and there. Theres absolutely nothing that would ruin PC building with the great direction that things are going!
"Remembers about the GPU market", oh..... right I forgot about you.
AMD need to seriously consider an answer to Intel Core i3 and H610 boards sooner rather than later. If they want to get people over the line with their new AM5 socket, they really need to focus on lowering overall platform costs. AMD has historically been great for platform longevity, and considering that AMD CPUs can run really well at lower TDPs, I can see entry level boards being more than enough for gamers and a decent entry point.
Budget PC's cost so much at the moment, and the video card venders have such a bad reputation - along with mining and Covid. Prices are through the roof, and I think most people would prefer a Steam Deck at £500 and just wait for a better time to invest in AM5.
It's a shame, the technology is great - though if people don't buy it then it's just sat there...
IIRC A620 would launch alongside the 3D chips, so in a month or so. I'm slightly concerned about VRM though. AMD also has some high powered chips now that likely won't run flawlessly on those cheaper boards (like Intel).
Of course a £200 motherboard you use for 5 years it cheaper than a £180 motherboard you replace every 2-3 years.
Would an AM6 motherboard thats £120 be considered cheap if AM7 released a year later with another socket entirely..... and AM8... and AM9.....
The point is you buy a good part once and then you keep it and you can just upgrade the other parts in and around it and save money over all.
The budget market is quiet appealing these days with AM4 systems. Buying a used Ryzen 2600/ 3600 and upgrading to 5700 or even 5800 X3D in like 12 - 18 months is very appealing and although AM4 is called a "dead platform" from reviewers, it's going to be still around for several years from now on, so even an upgrade from a Ryzen 5 3600 is very much and easy possible in like 2 years from now.
That makes it much more appealing than those Intel i3. The only extreme case I could think of is buying a new board with DDR 5, go with the 12100 for some time and then switch to 13700 or something. But since Intel did Intel things with older generations of CPU where basically the same ... I'd go with AMD.
So a Ryzen 7400X or even 7200 with integrated RDNA3 architecture would be nice ... but is not necessary for a budget build these days!
TBH, nobody cares about i3 + H610 market. i5 + B660 is bare minimum for most gamers, and they are willing to pay. "gaming PC" is also a exclusive product, so if u cannot afford it, u simply are not buying it because u got more important things on your list to provide to life.
I just wanted to buy a entry level motherboard for my friend - B450 is non-existent as new from shops, they are left with 90+ temp VRMS like shit Asus or Asrock. Cheapest B550 is Gigabyte Gaming X, which is more expensive than B450 Tomahawk when premiered and has less features and worse VRM. This is not "More than enough for gamers".
U actually need at least 200$ for MB right now.
i3 + H610 is good setup for excel/word/applications in office not for gaming.
I am so happy that these videos exist. I was convinced my processor (Ryzen 7 7700) was underperforming according to benchmarks posted online. However, my r23 scores are actually slightly better than yours. This gives me confidence that the data posted online may not be entirely accurately. If I had to take a guess, the same people that post their scores online are probably the same people who like to optimize performance and overclock their cpu/gpu.
Thanks Steve and team
The 5700x really is an awesome CPU especially at its current price if you're already on AM4
true
I almost always buy the best I can afford from an outgoing generation when it's upgrade time. There are usually really good deals to be found and because it's tech that's been around for a while, any bugs that need ironing out have been dealt with (caveat or at least any that are ever going to be ironed out). Compatibility is widespread and I always end up with a good stable system that never gives me grief. I'll leave early adoption to those with the time, money and patience to deal with any issues that come to light as the tech becomes available to the masses.
I'm definitely feeling like this is the way to go.
Right on, I did the same thing, 5600 ryzen 5 was the way to go for me too 👍
Smart move. I've always skipped a generation regarding upgrading my PC parts. These look nice, but I'll wait for the X3D variants.
@@KiamKweli wow you don't buy a new system every generation? You are so cost minded, well done in your will power
@@BlueBillionPoundBottleJobs 😂
Great to see you will be tackling the 13400 and 13500...
Please, try to include Idle power consumption for your CPU test. thank you for all your efforts.
The 7900 looks pretty interesting... even running at stock. Seems like a good workhorse for producing music in my DAW, rather than needing the bleeding edge for gaming.
Seeing those AM5 prices I can feel I've made the right decision. B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC, R5 5600 and 32GBs of DDR4 3200 were only 325 US dollars. Plus 20 dollar inexpensive tower cooler. Decent B650 motherboard alone is more than a half of this budget. AMD, you'd better make better value proposition with you new platform for people to switch.
I think AMD is happy you are choosing between AM4 or AM5. At one point AM4 will stop being sold, and AM5 will need to reduce in price, but for now I think AMD is serving all budgets with AM4 and AM5.
@@maxthebean8047 This is correct. AM4 is serving the budget market very well now. And while you could make the argument that there is no real upgrade path there, it's the same situation with the raptorlake/alderlake motherboards. Down the road the only upgrade path will be used 13xxx chips, just like the upgrade path for AM4 will be used 5xxx chips. Whereas AM5 is like the original Zen launch, and there are still people running 5000 series CPUs on 300 series motherboards. So even though I agree AM5 boards are a little overpriced, AMD has said they should be supported until at least 2025.
Looking gaunt Steve, I reckon you finished your gym! Good on ya mate.
is there going to be a X670/B650 motherboard roundup soon? Or are the prices too high to make this video yet? I kind of missed that this release cycle. I feel it would be especially welcome now because of the pricing, not in spite of it. If we have to fork out 200€+ for basic boards, it would be nice to know which ones at least deliver.
BTW, I got the ASUS Z370-A Prime years ago based on your recommendations and I was super satisfied (still am). Does everything I need it and want it to and has no additional bells and whistles that I'd overpay for.
I think in terms of VRM design, current B650 boards are overkill for these lower power SKUs. Probably wise to wait a little longer for cheaper boards to hit the market.
A620 is Q2 2023 :(
The problem though is also the number of IO ports, so sometimes the cheaper board options are not a good choice depending on how many you need. Sure you can buy expansion cards, but sometimes it could also just be worth it to get the better board depending on the overall cost. It just sucks that board prices are ruining the value of the cpus for both Intel and AMD
Probably designed that way due to potential future CPUs they have to account for. Therefor this generation motherboards are overkill for this generation CPUs
@@irispettson Yeah, they realize they won't sell B750 B850 mainboard, so just invest in B650 instead.
It's better to have an overkill VRM 'cause maybe in the future you might upgrade to a top tier SKU and you won't need to worry about the VRM.
i really interested in the 7700 with 65 W. Its like 40 W less then the 7700x so its basiclly the eco mode but cheaper and less temps
Though would likely fail because of silicone lottery factors, I'd like to see X vs sans-X comparisons for equal power and frequency difference and/or equal frequency and power differences, to see if the X components are binned better. It's weird to see the more expensive parts being less efficient and assume that would be reversed with tuning mentioned above.
Given electricity prices currently (though should be dropping in the not too distant future) and those of us who're silence freaks, paying the extra upfront to downclock could make for a better option.
great reviews as always. Nothing else to say.
I just went with the regular 7700 non x for my new build. i'm not an overclocker and being 65w means less heat than the 100+TDP 7700x
Smart move. I’ll be doing the same.
Those AMD price "drops" were temporary as all stores have raised them back up to launch prices which is terrible value now.
Thank you. After reading several reviews on the motherboards primarily, where i need one for gaming only, and this video, I ended up ordering ASRock B650M PG Riptide and will complement it with 7700 (non-X) and Kingbank 2x16GB DDR5-6400 CL32 (Hynix A-Die). This will serve as an upgrade to my current 5600X with Asus B450 Gaming Plus and HyperX 2x16GB 3200. I have Gigabyte 3080Ti, which will stay, Hope this config, along with LG 27GP850-B as 1440p gaming, will serve for 1.5-2 years to come. Next upgrade I will look at will be Zen 6 and /or RTX 5xxx, depending on price.
Why you decided to go this way? Zen 3 is still decent performer and nowhere near to being obsolete. Your build is balanced well. If in need of more cores why not get Ryzen 5000 R7 or R9 cpu that are priced well? It seems like update not upgrade. What’s your use case, or how your system is lacking in your use case? To put my question into perspective. I’ve just build child PC from spare parts I’ve got at hand. 5600X paired with RX6700XT on B350 motherboard with 32gb ram running stable at 3200mhz. I’m amazed how much performance in 1440p high graphics settings this build have while gaming. It runs all modern games on 27inch 165hmz 1440p monitor.
@@Ornal64 This is my gaming only PC, as for daily/productivity I use HP EliteBook 7840U/32GB based notebook running Linux as primary OS. Upgrade is primarily so that my system is ready to use upcoming RTX 9xxx series and to have further upgrade path for next 2 years. 7700/32GB 6400 CL30/retained 3080Ti and got 32" 4K, and with optimised PBO+CO (5.2-5.3Ghz All core and 5.5Ghz Single core), and when using Nukems or LukeFZ frame generation mods in AAA games like AW2/Starfield/LOTF/Elden Ring/CyberPunk I am able to play 4K DLSS/FSR on Balanced with High/Ultra settings & RT On (60+ frames). After selling my previous components I ended up shelving only about USD350 on this upgrade, w/o monitor. Good deal for me.
hey thanks for always putting so much into your vids i currently have a b350 strix board with the ryzen 5 1600 and a rx 580 would you recommend i upgrade to am5 or just get a am4 board upgrade and a new cpu and graphics card. please help.
Once again the cpus are great for the price considering the global price drop obviously but seriously I went to see how much would a 7600x + a random B650 mobo and the mobo were actually all higher priced than the 7600x, but now in europe you can also find cheaper ddr5, like 160€ for 32go 5600mhz 36 36 36
One significant Caveat to waiting is that some retailers are still offering "free" DDR 5 -6000 RAM with the purchase of Ryzen 7 & 9 processors (still available at the time I write this comment). If you are fortunate enough to live near one of those retailers it would make the AM5 Ryzen 7 the clear value proposition even with keeping the same pricing for Motherboard detailed here. Once the new processors are available, I doubt they will continue this offer (But I do not know), and people could lose the opportunity for this value.
At my local Microcenter I just priced a 7700X with Gigabyte Aorus Elite B650M and 32 GB DDR5-6000 for $523. That's $2.18 per frame and would put it at the top of the cost per frame chart
You guys in the US are lucky to be getting those free RAM deals. Nobody in Canada is offering such a deal and never have. =(
Go look at some of the reviews on those free RAM kits. Some of them are so bad people are immediately tossing them due to stability issues they have, or the absurd post times on checks.
@@rustler08 Can't speak to other people's experiences. There is so much variation with combinations of different Motherboards with different Ram Kits that it is hard to say where the problem might be. Speaking only for myself, I have not had any problems but admittedly I also did not get a $160 motherboard either. Maybe this is something HUB can check ( "Free" kits with cheapest Motherboards). My past experience is that it is not the cost of the Motherboard but rather compatibility of some brands (or drivers) with different kits so your mileage can vary greatly. I envision upgrading Ram & Processors in the future but it is good to be on the current platform.
Great content!
Thanks for the detailed comparision! I was looking for good performance with good efficency. This video helped a lot.
Looking at 7700(x) and 7900(x) : Based on the Blender render times and power consumption, the 7900 is by far the most efficient CPU. (luckily, even my current CPU - 5800x - was reviewed here)
Simply calculated the total energy consumption for the given render time:
7900 : 27,69 Wh
7900 PBO : 35,96 Wh
7900x : 37,00 Wh
7700 : 40,15 Wh
7700 PBO : 42,06 Wh
7700x : 46,72 Wh
5800x : 52,00 Wh
For me the 7700 with a good box cooler is the best part right now.
I bought the non x 7700 and it is amazing. I highly recommend. Note i use it with a Noctua DH15s, average temps when playing destiny 2 atmax is 65 degrees Celsius
I notice that there is no 7950X in the slides. It is kinda a big deal. I'd like to compare these AMD processors to the AMD flagship, to see how meaningful upgrades would be. The 13900K there is completely useless (actually it serves a purpose ... of putting Intel in a better light than they are, since there is no AMD flagship in the slides).
Steve are you going to do the review of the 13400f and 13500?
My Zen journey has always been to pull the trigger on Tock upgrades. First with Zen+ 2700x, then Zen 3 5600x. Both are alive and well in my Linux and Windows builds. If I bite on Zen 4 it will be with the X3D variant. More than likely I'll sit out til Zen 5.
It would have been interesting to see the comparison of the X versions in eco mode with the non X versions
The 5800x3d is doing fantastic, its pushing my 3080 just fine, switched from 5900x, was worried, but now im getting better fps, lows went up as well I'm just gonna skip the Am5. 4k is working great, I get very high fps. I already had 2x16 3600 cl14 ram, so it's all very expensive, and I can't see tossing it for an Am5 for another 5 years. I can always upgrade the gpu at any time, I play at 4k anyway, and 5800x3d is crushing it!!! It's the smarter move if you already are on Am4. For sure
Excellent review.
Great for SFF, Silent and efficient builds!
Steve, for the system cost comparison - seems it would be much more fair to include the cost of a cooler. That's a major gap in my view and really completes the picture of the non-X value, even if a basic cooler is assumed for other CPUs.
As always I love the excellent quality content!
Just add $20 for a cooler that still destroys these pack in ones. Hardly a "major" gap and doesn't even come close to the fact that he didn't enable PBO on the X parts, and the platform is still far too expensive. These are a bandaid on a bullet hole.
@@tilapiadave3234 yeah but then he will need to test those with DDR4 as well to produce the cost-per-frame numbers
It gives me a pleasure that you have included the 5600X values, a real champion from the past.
From the past the thing released last year bro lol its still new to most ppl
@@jessemalonson1114 It's the 5600 which was released last year, 5600X was launched in 2020.
Nice review. Wish you had done final cost analysis by MSRP. Not very useful as-is. Please update those values for the locked intel CPU video 🙏
Man, the camera quality is spectacular! HU is killing it
It will be interesting to see how quick the x3D models are but as someone who is still on the AM4 platfrom the 5800x3D still looks like a good upgrade choice
Just get 5800X3D. AM5 platform cost not worth it.
@@crylune The price on the Ryzen 5800X3D increased today by $200 in my location
Also, don't forget it require a Great cooler around $100
@@mountanarivera4450 I think it all depends on pricing of parts when you're buying them. If you can get a 7000 cpu, mobo, and ddr5 ram for the same price as a 5800x3D then it would be worth as you're starting on a new platfrom which will have furture support but being able to get the same performance from just dropping in a cpu which you aren't going to upgrade for years anyway is a very good alternative. Prices in the UK have stayed the same £340-370
@@RPD_GG I was looking to buy the R9 5900X for one of my 8 computers Desktop System unfortunately it gone up by $200 in a 12 days on Amazon
It might be nice to include cooler price in the value chart. The box cooler will skew things but it’s supposed to in a way.
Most AM4 coolers that don't use a custom backplate work fine on AM5. My X53 Kraken works fine on a 7700x, and that AIO is 3 years old.
@@DKTronics70 yeah but a lot of people don't have a cooler at all.
Thanks!
Wow- so the box coolers for all CPUs work really well. Wonder how loud they are though.
5800x3d still doing strong on the graphs for it seems
SUPER APPRECIATE THE COST PER FRAME GRAPH! normally i just do a cost per core, and just kept in mind the rank of the performance, but this is soooooo much better.
I’ve seen many graphs showing how the 7900 w/ PBO on pretty much matches the 7900X in productivity performance. But how about the reverse?? Will a 7900X running 65w ECO mode perform as well as a stock 7900?
In between Zen4, the 70 GPUs and Nvidia’s 40 series, if your current rig isn’t dying on you, you are better off not buying at all. Let’s hope the next releases, which haven’t been specified during the height of the crypto mining craze, will be more reasonable options.
GPUs aren't getting any cheaper.
@@EarthIsFlat456 Given that both the AMD and Nvidia cards aren’t selling, they will. It’s basic economics.
The 7900 seems like the best Option here when PBO enabled and Curveoptimizer enabled it will still be relativly cool and about as good as the X Chip. The other tow CPUs seem not as good comparable.
Idk if i missed it, i even watched the operation system part twice but what cooler did they use for the cpus, i am just curious if i should buy one if i get the 7700 since it comes with a decent cpu cooler.
Waitng for those 3D vCache CPUS. Excelent video.
I'm happy with my 5800x. Going to wait at least one more cycle before considering an AM5 system. Motherboard prices are just too silly right now.
I'm in the same boat (5800x owner here). While these non-x CPUs are tempting, I don't really need the upgrade right now.
I think that currently under the am5 only a full hi end set is worth putting together. Am4 still looks very good
yes just ordered a 5700x with a b550 with a good discount.
Excellent content 👌
Hey Steve, just out of curiousity, are you having RDR2 issues with the new 7900 series? My vega 64 was fine running it all day, my 7900 xt makes it freeze after 10mins. Don't have issues with anything else, can play FC6 for hours.
5800x3d looks really good at this competition given it can go at -30 CO on all cores capping at around 70 watts and using ddr4 memory.
That's not a guarantee. Mine does, but I've heard others that could not go below -15.