Still Can't Throw 200ft? | It’s probably THIS
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- Here’s a video on the most common reasons I see people fail to throw over 200’. I cannot actually think of a student that understood proper interaction with the disc and could not break 200’. After that, all bets are off. But up to 200’ I feel like just about anyone can do.
Hope this helps.
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0:00 - Intro
0:40 - What i DONT think is the problem
1:13 - Can you move this quickly?
2:11 - Demonstration
2:58 - What you’re missing
4:28 - Grip and its purpose
6:00 - Finding grip pressure
8:44 - Notes moving forward
11:52 - Let me know if it works
13:12 - Peace friends - Sport
I mentioned it in the video but I would recommend doing this with an understable fairway driver like the Soda I was using here! Reason is that the grip gets caught too easily with the slower discs and are thrown a bit differently imo.
I guess for countries where clash doesn't have much of a presence, a Mana, a Stig, a Wombat3, should be good options.
The stig is money @@Timberius
Can we get a vid on throwing the slower discs?
I like it! We need more videos adressing the very beginners. And no one is good enough to not repeat some of the basics they already knew.
I've been playing for years and little reminders on the little things sometimes ground me and I finally see improvements because I was focusing on my feet or hips so much I forget something like how to hold the dang thing.
Great video! As a senior disc golfer, I am looking forward to consistently reaching that 200 ft. mark.
I am a senior disc golfer and limited lower body mobility due to knees and hips. this video was very encouraging for me as well. More videos for us struggling at the bottom would be appreciated.
Wow! I've watched many DG techniques videos, and haven't seen grip strength to speed ratio explained as you have. Theres a lot of detail involved in DG. This truly adds a missing piece of the puzzle for me. Being a rookie, ive focused on keeping a consistent grip strength regardless of speed. Lol. Thanks for your videos!
Tried your grip advice today on my usual pitch and putt course. Parked two holes just over 200 feet where I normally come up short 20 to 30 feet after just one field practice. Age 70, been playing one year Hope you will keep posting advice that grows the sport from the bottom up. It definitely helps me bring the grandkids along in the sport, too, as I start chasing birdies.
Congratulations!
EGO almost kept me from watching this one. As I throw 275 on average and working on 300 avg. I have always believed I have equal or better athleticism than those that bomb past me daily. This really turned a light on for me. Will be doing some field work on this for sure.
Yep I had the same ah-ha moment lol getting out in the field tomorrow
I’m in the same boat. This and a cue to grip as much or more with the outside of my hand than with the index finger and thumb got me reaching close to 400. Not consistently, but like one in ten…which is more than before.
This video is great! Exactly what I need. There needs to be more videos that are aimed towards players who are between intermediate and beginner.
Thank you as always; 200 feet has been a challenge for this retired guy.
Practiced today with your recommendations. I never understood what "ripping" the disc ever meant. I had/have been holding discs like a sledgehammer, then opening my hand to release. Lighter gripping the discs, and naturally letting the release seems to be working (and further distance), on a first time experimentation today, though wildly thrown all over the course. 😂
I look forward to all your future videos. You have kept disc golf fun for me.
Highest Respect!
Always happy to help keep the fun around
This is something I've never heard anyone explain in detail. I hear a lot of people talk about snapping the disc, elbow back/arm out, whipping motions, etc. but that all has never made a lot of consistent sense to me... maybe because I never thought about variable grip strength and how that relates to driving and arm speeds. It's weird to think that you have to STOP yourself from letting go to make the disc go farther. Thinking about it this way, all those videos focusing on the importance of footwork/lineups also make more sense to bring control back when you're no longer "letting go" to control the release point. Looking forward to trying this.
Really appreciate this as a new player chasing 300 now. I haven't thought about my grip since the first week I played, can't wait to test this in the field. Thanks Overthrow!
Josh. Thanks for this. I have been playing for about 10 months and I know I open my hand. Never knew this. Let the retraining begin. I am love it. I have my college sons to thank. Take care. Love the channel.
I can't even put into words how much this video helped me and my son 👍👍
Glad to hear it
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I feel like this was made with me in mind. After watching this I definitely got the speed so it has to be the grip. I recorded myself and wasn't rounding and I hit the power pocket. Was so close to quitting so I really hope it's grip.
I did see a comment from yours somewhere that contributed to the making of this. I’ve seen not a few people struggling with this even though I know they have seen a bunch of tutorials. Hope it helps you
Before even watching this video I seemed to be stuck at 330-350 range and one day changed my grip and increased my grip pressure and am now just short of 400, so going through that process before even watching the video just made it make that much more sense!
Great video. If the wind is just right I max out at 225. I will give this a try as soon as this f*&%ing snow melts. : )
Superior quantent delivery as always. I've been on a bit of a roller coaster recently, I'm going to work on this the next decent weather day. You're all spectacularly fantastic.
Very timely, thx...new to the game, oversaturated myself w/ instructional videos, inconsistently throw the same midrange rhbh from 180-300', the grip has clearly been a major part of the issue but I've been messing mainly w/ grip type, not pressure. I think this will help a lot, bottle analogy was fantastic!
i believe this same advice applies to putting. if you watch dave dunipace's video on the snake strike putt, it's a very similar concept. if your grip is too soft or firm at the release point, you'll miss left or right, but if you 'pop' it right at the target with a little bit of pressure, it's harder to miss.
Nice info
I'm very encouraged. Gonna go do some field work tomorrow to work in this. And so cool to see you tossin' the Clash discs.
I know this 75% of me not throwing as far as I could. Appropriate amount of grip pressure is the perfect phrase. Great content.
The only time I can remember the feeling of the disc ripping out was like your example that flew way off to the right. I hadn't ever really thought about changing the grip strength based on the speed. I will have to practice this next time. I would love more videos like this in the future!
Excellent instruction for a newbie like me. Thank you.
That was great, no, um’s or ah’s or like’s, spoken so clearly and just the information I’ve been looking for. Thank you.
The power of editing lol
Love that bag and thank you for the refresher!
Best instruction ever! Thank you so much!
This is real good info. Thank you. I’ll have to try this.
I used to not be able to throw 200 feet about 3 years ago. Now I’m 930 rated and can throw 380. Keep going!
And what do you attribute to this rapid ascention up the distance ranks (besides grip)?
@@user-pj3ir4vt6x nose angle was the first issue. It’s hard to get the disc to go anywhere if the nose is up because it will always hyzer out early. That was the key to getting past 200 and then 300 feet. Past that it was more about how to get the body into the throw. Getting the shoulders fully turned away and arm extended and such. Still have a long way to go tho. I think my lower body isn’t involved enough in my throws. Also just gotta get the repetitions in on a regular basis. I was hitting a field for an hour or two like 4 times a week.
I'm just starting & throwing it 100' is ripping it for me lol, but I still found this to be very informative. Every little bit helps at this point. I think I should probably watch it again. Yeah, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna watch it again.
I am a second-year rookie at 70 years old. For distance in fieldwork, I am that guy who cannot hit 200 feet. I suspect the root cause is my grip--constantly keeping the nose angle down and the launch angle up and the hyser flat--when I have no idea whether I am doing so and which erratic results of the flight were caused by which flaw.
So now I am waiting for my Tech Disc. I hope that by focusing on the grip first, with known results, I will develop good muscle memory. Then I can add speed and rotation. Finally, I will add weight shift and run-up for maximum distance.
Does that sound like a plan?
Decent plan! I’d work on grip/arm speed first, then upward launch, then nose angle, then walk up mechanics probably. Hard to say for sure without overseeing the process
I hurt my elbow after years of being a forehand only player. My elbow is still messed up, doing PT, and my backhand has been awful. The mechanics feel foreign to me. This video is giving me some great tips that I can practice. It makes sense that my grip would heavily influence the flight of the disc. Thank you!
Hey Josh and Mikey! Would be cool to see you throw Techdisc in open field and compare numbers with actual distances. That way we would know in practise if our throwing speed is enough for x distance when technique is improved :)
The tech disc is pretty understable from what I’ve read. We’ll have to get a speed gun
@@OverthrowDiscGolf that would be great quality detail with these kinds of videos and an eye opener for many of us
Dude
This helps, thank you
Now I'll have to pick up some more discs from you guys as payment for this valuable lesson
I really like this video for anyone of any skill level. I have been playing for close to 25 years now and have never thought about the hand remaining closed through the "release." I guess even referring to it as a release after knowing this seems wrong almost.
I can throw 400+ft and may be hitting 450 at times and i am pretty sure after watching this video that i open my hand to do it. I am also generally pretty accurate. I generally just grip my drivers as hard as i can.
I should have known this because i can't count the number of times i have told players who ask for tips that the disc is supposed to rip itself out of your hand, but never really thought about what that means i guess.
I remember back in the day i used to get that popping/snapping sound on release and i have not heard it in many years now that i think of it.
This just goes to show that you are never too good to learn something new about form and technique. I am eager to experiment with this and see if that noise comes back and guage what effect it has on my distance and accuracy.
I may have some serious work to do, but i would really like to be able to throw 500. Thats has always been something i wanted to achieve since the very beginning.
If this is really true and i do open my hand to release the disc I would imagine that means the rest of my form is generally pretty good considering the results i usually achieve.
People have always been impressed by my distance, but i have always felt i could throw farther. If i could just make myself spend the effort to get my putting where it needs to be I'd probably be a lot better, but that's not as fun as crushing it right guys.
Thank you for this video as someone who has loved disc golf for a long time. Don't forget to go out there and have fun guys because after all it is a game.
If anyone is in Austin and wants to get in a round hit me up. I don't have as many people to throw with as i used to and i love meeting other disc golfers.
THANK YOU for addressing a topic that helps the people who need it most. (from that geezer who has arthritis in every joint except my artificial hip ;^) I concentrated so much on advice guaranteed to “get anyone over 400 feet,” that I had to discover grip pressure on my own. To get over those long but wild griplocks, I opened my hand and hit 150-170 ft. Now, I try to get that “pop” and hit 180-220 feet when it works, but half of the time, I still open my hand, and even griplock when I try to rip it once in a while. When the snow melts, I plan to work on controlling grip strength for a consistent “pop.” Is it just a matter of months of practice? Any help you can provide in future videos will be really appreciated! I know there are LOTS of people in the “can’t throw 200 feet” category, and many of them will drop out if they don’t get this kind of beginner-friendly help. KEEP IT UP!
It took me about a month to get it consistently I’d say. I don’t really think about grip pressure anymore until it becomes a problem
I literally was able to throw 230 ft. from a standstill after watching this video whereas prior I was only hitting 230 on my best throws (LHBH). It literally never occurred to me that my hand should be finishing "closed" like you describe. Instant results, amazing video man. Thank you!
Congrats 🎊
Where was this video years ago! Lol. I'm stuck at 200ft and you're exactly right, I've been letting the disc go due to a severe griplock tha hit someone once. I'm going to practice doing what you said. Thank you a million times.
Especially understandable in cases like that where the mistake was semi-traumatic
Explains why my grip locks go 50% farther though.
@@jamesfarabaugh6669 That was a revelation to me a while back. I was thinking, “Wait a minute. What if i did this… but over that way?!”
This has been my issue for a long time. I've been throwing opening my hand for like a year plus and I'm trying to relearn to close my hand this season.
Thank you for this video. I can consistently get to 250 - 275, but couldn't get to 300. I've video recorded myself and the form looks decent (like anyone, there needs to be improvement), but just couldn't figure out why I couldn't get any further. As soon as I saw this video, I went to the garage and threw into the net and, of course, I was doing exactly what you've described (releasing the disc instead of snapping). I plan to go into the field tomorrow and try to hang on to the disc and see how much it helps (scared to do it in the garage - not sure where the heck it'll go at first). I think it's going to be really difficult to tell my mind to hang on to the disc instead of releasing.
Thinking about the difference from releasing and snapping and going through it in slow motion, I can see where a ton of built up power is just wasted when I release instead of hang on to the disc. It's initially counter intuitive because it seems like hanging on to the disc would slow it down, but releasing just gives up that last (and probably most) amount of power and spin. Your video really helped me see the logic in the snap and a light bulb went on.
As an aside, I've noticed that when I do grip lock the disc, it really goes - probably gone past 350-400 feet on those, but always too embarrassed to measure :)
Great point at the end of your comment. I didn't think about that until you said it. I've noticed the same.
I lose about 5mph if I let it slip out from my cursory studies.
Absolutely crushing the content!
I max at 250 and have been stuck there for months - a lot of what you're describing seems to be me. Saw a previous video where you talked about the closed-hand exercise and i tried it a fair bit but could never get the hang of it - i think the explanation here may have clicked a bit more. Gonna try it again.
Ok so this is not just for beginners…I had the hardest time throwing distance drivers speed 12 and up and thought it was because my hands just weren’t big enough. Turns out I had to change my grip to a power grip/fan combo to get maximum grip strength on it to compensate for the increase in arm speed needed for the driver. You just finally labeled that problem that I had to figure out on my own.
I cannot wait to try this! I have been playing 8 yrs and can't throw over 200 feet. As I think about it I'm pretty sure I let the disc go. If I could even just add 50 feet it would completely change my game. You may have just found my missing piece to throwing farther!
I’ve had this question since I started playing last year. I asked a friend who’s been playing for years…how much do I grip the disc? His response was “just grip it and rip it!” Lol okay that answered nothing for me obviously. So I never really understood what the relationship was between grip pressure and arm speed. I say all that to say, this video was very helpful. Even though I think I was throwing over 200ft, 350ft seemed impossible. Maybe not so much now. I’ll get out in the field and practice!! I think a lot of beginners get focused on how to throw like Paul or Simon but there’s so many little nuances that are missed that are the fundamental building blocks of the throw. Thanks!
great video, I didn't think the "snap"-release had that much impact, I've filmed my friends and myself a few times and while my mates can throw easy 330-350's I'm stuck at max 275(ish) while my arm on camera moves A LOT faster then theirs. I used to climb for a living and as a hobby so my grip strength is probably way to much when I'm focusing on throwing far, so I'll have to go to a field and get used to being more deliberately soft on my touch. Atm I'm throwing 275(max is 300 with no obstacles) while opening my grip so this is gonna be fun when I get my "AHA!"-experience! :D
Good to know you’re basically throwing 275-300’ approach shots
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I'm a forehand-main and have been struggling with those backhand tee-shots for a couple years now! Despite the range we throw at I'm the most accurate out of my playgroup so I've always tried to build on that, but to learn it's probably the same thing holding me back is kinda wild :D I can't wait for some nice weather so I can do field-work!
Definitely needed this
You truly are a guru in laying it out for simpletons like me. Great video that even a dummy like me can understand.
I too am a simpleton. I have to learn it this way lol
As others have said, this is something that is missing from a lot of instructional vids, we really need these "obvious tips". The nugget on "hand, disc, chest" was also useful, the obvious position for me would be to cock the wrist to create the mythical snap. Maybe a series coaching a complete newbie from scratch?
@7:54 WTF RICHARD?!
IYKYK 🤣
Richard was on to something
Great video, = new subscriber. Thank you, God bless
I have trouble getting to 300 but I presume the same principle of grip pressure applies. I’ll try it out. Thanks as always Josh and Milkey.
Same principle applies
I can touch 300 rarely. 250-280 is my normal range. Wish I could add another 50-75 feet and I'd be happy
You can do it
I have always opened my hand. I’ve never heard the disc should fly out. I really hope I see some change this Saturday. Thank you.
I already throw 250 ft opening hand so I’m hoping I can crush 300 ft.
I've only been playing 3 years now and I'm finally getting over 300' consistently and I never thought about this. I've watched hundreds of videos (and all of yours) and this may be the first time I've seen it explicitly addressed and now things make much more sense.
I also believe there is no "grip lock" either, just the incorrect alignment of your body/hips to the relation of the target line and your grip. Can you do a segment on that too?
We do have an aim video on the docket
This info is huge for me I’ve been playing for two months and was confused on this
Welcome to disc golf
Amazing info, never hear this.
Faster hand/body movement = harder grip?
My record is 105m, and I never had the rip out of hand sensation. Hoping to add another 20-30m with this.
You should pick up a hand strength dynamometer to get an approximate value on how much pressure you’re putting on the 4 fingers, elbow bent.
Great info....we preach firm not tight
I was waiting to see the foundation guys play through in the background.
This video is very helpful. It is very frustrating trying to match the grip pressure with the arm speed. Usually it is a grip lock that flies remarkably well in the wrong direction, but the early release is just as disappointing.
Yup. lol. I feel the same way about my putting sometimes
Awesome video. There’s hope for me !
Even the last tidbit was helpful: “once you get to 250 you can be accurate at 200.” I’ve always felt that but people look at me crazy when I’m comfortable with my scores suffering at close to 300, because I’m pushing myself to keep growing, instead of being in the middle of every fairway at 240. The side benefit is that I’ve gotten SO much practice at weird approach shots, too.
I need a video on how to get pass 300ft
Hell yeah, real world disc golf here. Most of the people on a normal course can’t even get it 300 ft regularly. I try to get a beginner up around 200 to 250 with accuracy so you can have fun and have a chance of par on casual holes. Thanks for not forgetting that many people casually play this sport (me being one of them)
Playing with grip is definitely how I jumped past 200ft. But it seems like this also means that the proper grip pressure is critical to properly hitting a consistent release point so you're hitting your intended line (which is what I'm currently struggling with), which I don't see many instructional videos talk about at all.
Yeah, eventually when your hand has the grip part figured out you can work on the aiming mechanisms
I can throw over 200 ft but this video was very helpful! I have been early releasing my thrasher but grip locking my reactor. It all makes sense now!
I'm definitely going to find a big field and try this. I have like zero spin on my discs when i throw backhand and I'm wondering if I'm letting go of the disc instead of letting it rip out.
Immediately ran to check footage from last rounds. Frame after release my pointer and thumb were together but other three fingers open 🤔
Get em closed!
Can't throw further than 260 - 290 feet (~80 to 90 meters), even with a run up, and I don't need to watch my form to know that I'm not keeping my hand closed 😅 Gonna practice that this afternoon! Thanks 😊
Small comment on the Logo change before i watch the vid - why? :( The new one looks good too, dont get me wrong, but the old OT logo looked CLEAN, and the way you edited the little intros were so pro, imo.
Have you already covered the slip out of the hand and a regular just letting go release in depth, if so for some reason I can't find that content homie...cause I do want to figure that out ...
So the slip out of the hand is addressed here obviously. The intentional opening you know best from a putt but we also use it during approach shots. For more on that I would check out the video we did called “The Ultimate Guide to Approach Shots”
Just watched a slo-mo of my wifes backhand. I think that's her problem! Will report back, if it ever stops raining, so we can go outside and give it a try.
Excellent example with scale water bottle. It makes Josh look like a little kid, don't it? When he was finishing his point, I was like come on Josh, drop it, drop it drop it
I need to start experimenting with more grip strength. I'm 6'6" and can't throw past 400ft...maybe it's the grip strength holding me back 🤔🧐 Denver elevation doesn't help
Experimenting at that level is not a bad thing for sure. Just be ready to discover grip might not be the problem
I fall into the category of "hand open after throw" so it's worth a try (i had to look at video of myself throwing)
Me: I can not believe how much of an idiot Brodie was about thinking everyone could throw 300.
Also me: people can't throw 200?
😂
Lol
I am 62 and it has taken me three months to get to consistently throwing around 200. Play with lots of older people who throw about the same.
@tomt2240, you got me by a decade, but I play with some retired guys. We all started just this past fall, and I started throwing around 160 feet. I didn't think I could throw much farther. LOL
Right now, the retired guys throw around 180 to 200 feet, and I'm around 300. I can throw it 360 to 400, but with absolutely no control.
The retired guys can kick my butt, one is a fitness trainer, and the other does training as well. I really think it all comes down to form, cause this guy with a bad shoulder (working on it), has no power.
I saw Robbie C talk about this. If you ever grip lock, you can just really feel what you are capable of and how much the disc can really explode out of your hand.
How can I increase arm speed. Do you have a video on it. I’m 60 and maxed out at 275. I found out at the northeast expo that I only thow 43 mph. It’s dismal and I was so depressed about it. I’ve committed the past few months to stretching and weight training with a coach. I hope it helps but I wonder what your thought are.
It depends on why the arm is slow. Sometimes there are body parts in the way (form), sometimes it’s rhythm, and sometimes it’s just learning how to move your arm faster by throwing as fast as you can
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I believe committing to physical training will help. I was amazed at how tight and weak my shoulders were. Thanks again for all your doing.
This was cool. I think I often over grip, I'm waiting for the still can't throw 300, that's my next milestone.
300’ is a bit more tricky to nail down as far as potential issues go
This was great, not alot out there, gonna give this a shot... Im in the not past 250 club.
Hold up.. didn't you just point out this thing about my grip last month session? 😂😂😂
I did know that I have lost some mph through last season but distance drop from >500ft to
Nukes baby
what could I do to improve my pdga rating? my rating went down 9 points to 867. even though I practice every day. I'm a long time subscriber. pratice every day and stuck at AM3 level.
Scoring and form are very different skills. I’d go to RobbieC’s channel for scoring advice. He’s got a bunch of videos
Hey Josh, I like the new snap sound I have now, but can you or somebody out there explain why griping the disc tighter like that makes it go farther?
I’m sure someone can. I just receive the benefits.
Does the same grip info apply to forehand? My husband and I are seniors, he's good and I suck. I've gone to a forehand so I can see where I'm throwing and don't kill anyone. Trees hate me. I prefer to walk the course and watch my husband because it is exhausting to pick up and throw the disc 10 times to get to the basket.
It doesn’t. Just on the backhand. Trees also don’t like me
Thanks Josh
Is this relative to forehands? When I first started playing a few years ago I was able to be accurate and throw 400 feet from my baseball background. After working on my backhand and coming back to the forehand I now have problems with accuracy and turning them over.
For the forehand it seems more important to have as loose of a grip as possible from our experience
Nice to meet you, I play disc dog.
So here is my question. With the fastback frisbee used in disc dog, how far can it fly?
I can throw the Max Q over 300 feet
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Thank you for answering my question.
I hope one day you will talk about the first back.
@@mijinkotaitei which one is that?
Did you guys add in the disc flying sound from DG Valley every time Josh threw? Or am I just hearing things?
They took the sound of my throw and sampled the audio for DGV.
Seriously though, we didn’t.
Is this universal for every shot or for touchy upshots or creative get out of jail shots Is it different? Should I always be scaling down my grip in accordance to my shot?
This is only for distance. I’d recommend our approach shot guide video for touch shots
loved the Big Hero 6 reference
Josh, does this same concept apply to forehands or is this strictly for backhands?
Just backhands
@@OverthrowDiscGolf thank you!
Thank you.
Some cheat to See if this Tip would help you, get an Elevation Disc. I would recommend the putter. Because of the Rubber, it will easily Rip out etc.
will try
Should you only have this mentality with drivers? Or can you still get the pop with midranges or putters?
For drives whether it be with mids or high speed stuff. If you’re going for distance. Anything where you’re going for touch is different.
I needed every word.
Not one video will tell a beginner that your problem is your throwing it like a frisbee and letting it go with a disc you grip it and swing your arm so fast it rips out of your king fu grip that was the one thing that changed every thing for me ..
the disc will not stay in your hand forever no matter how hard you squeeze your grip. i tested this and i physically could not hold onto the disc. max distance for me is 380ish, i touched 440 once couldnt do it again so i dont have a ton of power and i still couldnt hold on.
What disc should I be able to consistently throw 200 feet? Putter, mid or fairway?
For this I would go with an understable fairway driver like the Clash Soda I’m using here. Eventually you’d like to throw slower discs that distance of course at some point but this concept is easier with a more shallow disc.
@@OverthrowDiscGolfis an Innova leopard understable enough?
@@TwilightZone13 that should work!
If that's the reason why I struggle to get 300' then hallelujah what a simple (yet difficult to learn) answer.
I hope it’s this