Mennonites are like Amish Lite, they will often run store fronts and such to interact with wider world in conjunction with Amish. (Amish furniture and food stuffs selling well but Amish not wanting to interact with the modernity needed to do transactions)
@@LizStaples Amish were Mennonites until they separated from them in the 1600s and since then they have been separate and distinct, they are not Amish just as a person who eats chicken once in a while isn't vegan , just like a person that can just dog paddle isn't a swimmer, Just as a person that played donkey Kong in the 80s isn"t a gamer, do i need to go on?
Ngl, 'Amish TikTok drama' was not on my 2024 bingo card. Fun fact, there's actually an r/amish sub on Reddit. It has almost 200k members and not a single post 😅
I mean I get people’s curiosity but why do people get so OBSESSED and invested with uncovering absolutely everything about some random stranger on the internet. It’s honestly creepy that they find their siblings and family members then just dox all their private information just cause they want to be the person to expose and get attention… absolutely baffling!
It's not about the attention, it's about the lies and decit these family or friends are exposing millions to. The fact you thought it was about the popularity is also mind blowing that is what you thought first and ran with without further exploring other reasons ones might do this to these people....
I agree with u 100%, Jaykay! This creeper gamersplayground person must be one of those obsessed weirdos who doesn’t have a life and takes the online world way too seriously. It’s sad and anyone who is ok with doxxing someone & their family just because they may or may not be Amish (or some other silly online situation) is sick in the head - it’s disgusting
@@gamersplaygroundliquidm3th526 No excuse for doxxing also you can convert so that isn't even proof of deception. And even if she's lying unless she's using that lie to get benefits, who actually cares? People role-play dumb bs all the time.
Can society use these skills to find the real bad guys in the world, instead of innocent people living their lives? Enough with exposing random people, it's sketchy and completely uncalled for.
I totally agree with you - but I think something to remember is that people make money from these multiple social media platforms. If you’re going to lie and profit from it, people are going to be upset and I think everyone has the right to know what they’re buying into and supporting. I don’t do any social media because to me it’s bad for people’s mental health and a waste of time, but some people seem obsessed 🤷♀️
Amish were Mennonites until they separated from them in the 1600s and since then they have been separate and distinct. The differences are mainly in their outward practices of those beliefs.
They sometimes work together Mennonites running stores selling Amish goods for example. They tend to be in similar areas if you see one you are likely to see the other. Mostly Midwest and North East. Not a lot of Amish in the burning hot South West for example
I grew up mennonite. We left when I was 16, so around 16 years ago. We had electricity, running water, vehicles, and eventually the internet. However, social media was strictly forbidden. If someone was caught with it, you're not in danger. They just excommunicate you. You're allowed to come back if you apologize in front of the congregation.
Look drama is one thing … doxxing someone is a *crime* and can get people harmed it’s just wrong to doxx someone in general but especially over something so stupid
if doxxing is supposed to be a crime..why doesnt anyone get arrested for it? and why is the name, address, phone number and email, for every US citizen, posted publicly online in free databases? if you google yourself youll think youre """doxxed""" too.
@@foxbunsbecause the government are made of a bunch of old fucking shites who hasn't figured out how the internet works for regular non-rich people, that's why
So I’m Pennsylvania Dutch. Next rung down from Mennonite. She calls her community “plain” community. That reference is only used by the older Amish n Wisconsin. I’ve never heard an Amish refer to themselves as that. Just as try refer to us as “English”. From what I can tell, she’s Mennonite if they have electric. Many Amish and Mennonite go down to Florida where they have a little community where it’s more relaxed. If she is Amish and someone found out she’s on social media and discussing how they live, she can very much be disowned. Being near Lancaster, we see a lot of Amish and some who choose to leave the life, will continue to dress “plainly” which is rooted in their faith. So just bc you may leave the community, you may still dress accordingly. I haven’t seen her content to truly know whether it’s real or not. She just reminds me of those who work at the museum that do recreations of Amish life.
im PA dutch as well-plains people is a VERY well-accepted catchall term for the hutterite/anabaptist 'old world' ethnic group! not all amish are OO/old order, same with mennonites. there are amish that use electrics but no mobiles/computers, so on. there is a gradient. im horrified at all of this discourse about this poor girl.
According to a website I found, the Amish are allowed to use electricity as long as it's not on the power grid? Apparently they are allowed to use generators...? I don't know too much about the Amish since in my area, we have more Mennonites. The Amish are non-existent in my part of my province. So, I know that my ignorance is showing in that regard. The Mennonites in my area are amazing at woodwork and carpentry. I bought a bookcase from one of their businesses some years back and it's in great condition. When I get out into my own apartment, I am intending to buy another bookcase from the same business.
I have family in Indiana that used to rent out their freezers to the Amish (idk if that's what they were or Mennonites or something in between). Family said they weren't allowed to *own* anything electronic, but they could still use it hence the renting
Mennonite are allowed to use vehicles. But you can convert to the lifestyle at any age as long as your truly committed they will welcome you to the community.
correct. Its more likely that the other woman simple put her past on blast to get attention. You can convert at any time in your life (or be born in this group). But some people dont know anything but like to brabble 🤣
@@angelia3567as long as there have been humans, there has been drama. It just has taken a different form with social media, and everyone can focus on the same drama instead of their local drama
@@felic86kaufmann57 the issue was that she claimed she was raised in the group, however, the way she talks says otherwise. I believe both of these groups speak Pennsylvania Dutch, while this girl clearly speaks like a basic suburban millennial. Her story doesn't make sense. Also the way she refers to them as the "plain community" would be like a "mormon" referring to themselves as a "mormon." Most Mormons refer to themselves as LDS due to the stigma around the word mormon. Someone who grew up in the church would know this. The same way that someone within one of these "plain" communities wouldn't refer to themselves as "plain." Hope that makes more sense than her suspicious ass story. 😂
Growing up in the Ozarks there was a large Amish community nearby. A couple of their men showed up to all our backwoods bonfire parties and sold us weed and Amish made moonshine out the back of their wagon.
I’m not Plain, but I have friends who were and are still in good terms with the colony. This isn’t proof of anything, but Mennonite & Hutterite folks may say they are Amish just because they are used to people not understanding their religion or culture, and Amish is the best shared reference point. There can be huge differences between the various penn Dutch anabaptists, heck the Hutterite men even drink, everyone drives cars & uses phones, etc, but they still live a very different lifestyle than “English” (non-Plain) people.
THIS. i'm PA dutch/plain [1st generation "out"; totally estranged from that side of my family]-whenever people ask what that means i just say 'think of the mennonites, but not' lol. horse and buggy summers!
This in a totally separate subject reminds me of my cousin in law who has Asperger's, but has started just saying he has Autisim because most people didn't know what he meant with Asperger's and has been merged into the Autism spectrum now. Sometimes it's just easier to use the better known term that close than to have to have to break it all down.
Whether she’s Amish or not, it’s still intriguing to think about how even in seemingly quiet and isolated communities, drama and tension can still arise.
There’s a lot of drama in cloistered communities. The unfortunate side effect of being a closed community is that sometimes unsavory people try and hide from their troubles there.
I mean...if you ever read any literature or anthropological etc articles you wouldn't be surprised. Like...how is this surprising to you...sounds very US American to me
connecting the circle of markie, her callback video on the porch was reposted by Lauren the mortician, who (in my opinion) did it to make fun of her so it's nice to know Lauren the mortician is still bullying people even though she has her own problems she should be dealing with.
I stopped following Lauren when all the drama started as I wasn't going to support her or her actions. Occasionally, FB likes to shove one of her videos in my feed. Seems like she's trying to pretend nothing happened and life is all good and normal. I also always comment on her poor behavior and choices. Nice to see that leopards don't change their spots.
@@robinoconnor553 I was going to unfollow her, but I stayed just to see if she was going to change or continue her ways. I don't interact with her stuff, I just see, say "interesting" a la iCarly and keep it moving. it's not worth calling her out, she doesn't see a problem with what she's doing.
@@pandapies6703 100% agree. there comes a time when you can't say "oh they're just trolling" and it becomes who they actually are. she might have been reposting it because she was like haha, look at her, boo her!!! and at the same time she could have reposted it to say "look, she's WAY worse than me!" either way is just disappointing. I never saw her as someone to look up to, I just didn't think she was this... catty. catty and petty.
i didn’t think she was held hostage i thought she was upset because she didn’t wanna leave her community, it’s her home, but she also didn’t wanna leave tiktok. people are crazy frl
My cousin's husbands family is Mennonites they do drive and own phones their rules are a lot different then the Amish. Even the Amish aren't totally against technology they are mainly against being dependent on the government and the power grid. They don't live the way most people assume they do. They will use electricity for medical necessity but they use generators to power them. They will take their children and themselves to Doctors and they will ride in a car they just won't drive one themselves. I have no idea if this girl lied or not even if she did her info being released is horrible.
It actually depends on the group. The ones near me don’t use electricity at all. The did start vaccinating after a terrible whooping cough outbreak. Each group has their own rules. They are wonderful neighbors though & I’ve enjoyed meeting many of them!
A lot of people get confused and claim Mennonite are 100x stricter than Amish. And then I tell them about the Mennonite family that would drive their van once a week and eat at the Wendy's I worked at 15 years ago and they're like ......oh.
You're completely wrong about the Amish. Mennonite have far more luxuries than the Amish. The Amish are highly strict. My husband's family and extended family from both sides are Mennonite and Amish from throughout the North American continent.
I've been on a greyhound bus a few times going through Ohio and Indiana with Amish people. Had the misfortune of sitting right next to an Amish man once. They do use public transportation. I've camped out with hutterites and they have their own cars. But they dress like the Amish. The hutterites in Roundup Montana, if memory serves me correctly, have a community room with one television reserved for news and emergency notices. They also gambled. They did a LOT of stuff that the Amish don't do. 😂
I do believe in the mason jar with the cream she is making butter. My mother would tell me about how my grandma used to do that periodically because my paternal grandparents were farmers and and gave them fresh cows milk sometimes.
Amish and Mennonite are a spectrum. Ive seen Amish buggies with LED lights underneath and speakers inside. My husband's mom drives a taxi for the Amish and has had girls ask her to play katy perry and lady gaga and have their own phones. Shit happens.
As someone who's been in Indiana and interacted extensively with Amish/Mennonites? This sounds like a Mennonite lifestyle. Mennonites have electricity in their houses, Amish people do not. They do, however, often have a phone in the barn! Sometimes electricity in their barn! Most of the communities in Indiana/Illinois at least do not use buttons or zippers, and their children do not speak English until their early teens. Secondary fun fact: Amish/Pennsylvania Dutch are not Dutch. It's a corruption of Deutsch, which is German for German.
That would explain why their language sounds like German, but not quite, lol. I don't know why that never clicked on my brain until I read your comment.
@@phaedrapage4217 it actually is a form of German- it's one of those cool linguistic cases of language divergence from isolationism. From my understanding, the dialect they speak is a survivor of a dialect that's long been overtaken by what's now 'standard German' in Germany. Pretty cool!
It just cracks me up how people seem to think every thing they see online is 100% truth - literally everyone is 'pretending' to some degree or trying to portray themselves in a different light. So what if this girl was lying about being [part of the Plain community? What difference did it make in your life?
This is what's funny to me. She wasn't making anything like false accusations of crimes or asking for donations or anything. If she was role playing or even lying like, who cares THAT MUCH? If she was causing harm or frauding people for money or something that's one thing but... Maybe spend time busting the people who fake illnesses for donations and things instead and let the girl play Amish
thats what gets me too. who cares if she is just roleplaying? she only took it too far when she made the crying video accusing others of r@ping her. once you start making legal claims...all bets are off sis.
I'm from Pennsylvania. The Amish and Mennonites have a hard time explaining their own differences. It's like... Baptist and Protestants are all christian, well, Amhets and Mennonites are all plain
@AmandaKayHowell I'm sure it's easy for you to understand, internally in the community. Explain the semantic differences to me, a n-th generation atheist from the city who literally can't name a single Bible verse tho? Tougher. Like I said, for those of us not at all tapped in, it's like trying to explain where Baptist ends and Methodust begins.
@@jensm4026I think they are more referencing American protestant, not Church of England protestant. It has some similarities but it's entirely different, just like Baptism does with it.
She wouldn't be the first to pretend to be amish on TikTok for views. There's a dude who posts videos of him "experiencing the world" like driving a car for the first time etc.
My family is half Mennonite, half normal Canadians. My dads side is the mennonite side. They live normal lives. They have running water, my grandma watches Fox News 24 hours a day lol
im so relieved to find another halfises running around in this comment section lol. all these people "who live out in amish country" talking about our people like we're geriatric aliens SMH 😭
@@eCodex So 400 odd years ago they became a new race/ethnicity or something? How does that work tho? lol Also she said she converted... So... She converted race? Can you do that?
At the end of the day it doesn't really matter if she is lying or not. Plenty of people on tiktok/the internet lie. The positive thing to take away from her recent video is that she seems safe. And thats the important thing, right?
Some mennonites also practice a rumspringa. That's where young adults get to go out into the world. When they come back, they have to choose to be all in the community or to leave for good and be excommunicated from the community.
Why would the community even threaten her to make a video, if true, they'd either have banished her or thrown away her phone. And there are some people who just wants to be fooled by others.
@@TheImprovised I have done it. It doesn’t take that long if the cream is high fat (mine is about 80-90%) and room temp. But I do normally use my mixer.
I live in Mennonite country and “mennonites” encompasses a large range of beliefs and practices based off them. Old Order are horse and buggy, no electricity, one room school house, plain clothes, etc but then there’s others that blend entirely into modern day and it’s just the church they belong to, like I have friends, colleagues and professors that are Mennonite and you wouldn’t know if they didn’t tell you. There’s also ones that fall kind of in the middle, where they dress plainly but they’re allowed to drive dark coloured vehicles for example. I also know lots that kind of bend the rules, ie they have a phone box on their property line to get around not being allowed phones, or people charge batteries for them so they can have “electric” lights in their store. I don’t want to draw any conclusions but I think there’s a misconception that Mennonite are a very specific set of rules and beliefs but really there’s a whole spectrum from old order to new order, and they could potentially fall somewhere in between. Also, does anyone else remember the show Breaking Amish🤔 (could potentially be a lot of parallels there)
I live near an Amish bakery. Guess what? They drive a car (they own one or two black, nondescript cars amongst the whole community). They have a cellphone (a few among the community so they can run their business). They do stay separate from other people outside of their business.
Right, some more liberal Amish will have a phone usable during business hours only and only for business purposes, and same goes for the cars. The more conservative Amish will not.
I grew up evangelical Quaker in a place where we had somewhat strong ties to more "liberal" mennonite groups. For instance, we had a Mennonite interim pastor for a time, and I attended a mennonite home church for a bit. Imo, it's complicated. She sounds like she's picked up a bit of that Pennsylvania Dutch/Mennonite accent, or I guess she could be putting it on, but I know I always pick up the idiosyncrasies of those I'm around a lot. She absolutely could have converted, although it takes varying amounts of time depending on the group you're in. Sometimes, more Conservative Mennonites will low-key refer to themselves as Amish. There isn't always a super clear distinction between the two groups, especially with more liberal Amish folk. And there ARE more liberal Amish groups, although none that I know of would necessarily allow a smart phone. 🤔 Also, sewing your own dresses is not that hard. Cape dresses come together fairly simply and are frequently actually sewn in two parts and pinned together on the body. Also, they're readily available all over Etsy and eBay, and there are even other stores that will make them to order. There's also a lot of people, in my experience, who sort of hover around the periphery of the plain community, wanting to join but not able to get on board with every tiny piece of doctrine, or they don't want to relinquish control of their families. So, her family could have been one of those, causing her to feel like she was raised plain even if she wasn't. There's just a LOT of dysfunction in these communities, especially the Amish who have kept themselves closed off from "The World" for so long. I'm talking ab*se and s*xual ab*se of women, children, and animals. Just awful, horrific stuff. Amish dental care is also absolutely torture in a lot of places. So, these communities are just rife with weird behavior. They provide a cover for a ton of abuse, because your supposed to call the church authority before you call the cops. And while I dislike the cops, church authority isn't usually that much better. Also, in groups like these there's often a hierarchy loosely based on who was born into the community and who wasn't. In my Quaker group, we had "Birthright Friend" and "Convinced Friend". So, she could very well be sort of cosplaying being the Amish/Mennonite equivalent of a birthright Friend. And I mean, the culture is hard to fully grasp if you didn't grow up in it, so she may just want to just feel like she grew up in it and pretend to the English that she did, thus motivating her to lie. Regardless, I think she either grew up adjacent to the community or wants to feel a more a part of it in any way she can. Folks like this are often just desperate for community and the Amish prey on that just like any other cult. From the outside, we often see the plain lifestyle as pastoral or bucolic, but once you're in too deep it's really hard to get out and it's not a peaceful or happy lifestyle. It's awful and exhausting. I hope she's able to get out eventually, because this whole situation just sounds dysfunctional af. 🤦
Mennonite here. I am ethnically, but not religiously Mennonite. There are lots of ways to be Mennonite and thinking every Mennonite looks and acts the same is bizarre. I have Mennonite relatives who still wear doeck and traditional clothes and some who dress modern.
@@bridgetsmith8196 It is! because of the inbreeding lol. I don't feel God's love shining down on me but I had varicose veins and arthritis at 20. like people can say I'm not a "real" Mennonite all they want but it didn't magically make my dad's parents not first cousins anymore when I stopped going to church.
A and M kids are encouraged to live "English" for a year to ensure they can commit to the plain life. Not surprised their are old pics of Sarah with makeup etc. M's have electronics, drive cars, even have running water and can upload to social media in some sects (I follow an amazing creator in Ohio with a channel and an Etsy store who is Mennonite). Don't know Satahjoy from Adam, but there ya go.
This "friend" of hers doesn't seem to think others know about rumspringa. It's hilarious. Her family could have re-entered the fold or she did herself.
I had friends who were Mennonites and let me tell you, if she were truly concerned about remaining in the community she would not have posted the message to clear things up, because the outside world would not mean anything to her. This is nonsense.
I'm Mennonite, I don't know who your friends were but most Mennontes are not like that. You're going to find that with more with the Amish. I have YT, Instagram, TikTok and so forth and most of the Mennonite friends I grew up with do too.
But seriously… WHO CARES?? If she wants to play dress up, who is it hurting??? U want to call her out in her comment section because u think she’s lying - go for it, but for people to be taking it this far and harassing her family and doxxing her personal info is just sick and creepy. I keep saying it, but some people need to get better hobbies or do something more with their life
@randiken Right, that was my biggest takeaway. Like yeah, maybe she is lying. But does it matter? I can see if someone from the Mennonite community were calling her out, but just random who want to prove someone is faking something? Why do any of them care?
Awww Markie!! Your so nice for saying "I dunno if I'm saying the right words or calling the clothes the right names" so considerate 🥰🥰 10/10 love the content
I live in Amish country, and as far as I knew, she would get kicked out if she was caught with a smartphone! But there are other groups that dress the same way and use modern technology!
I have been friends with some Amish families for going on 30 years, slumber parties and everything. Everything Sarah posts makes me side eye her. She claims to have grown up plain clothes, then goes on the say she converted a few years ago too.
The video just seemed like she was upset not being held captive. Why is there a trend of people assuming women who act slightly off have been kidnapped.
People are becoming more and more unhinged with their behaviour and I don't think about Sarah here. It seems like people don't have lives of their own so they live vicariously through some random people they're watching on their screens...and then they get carried away thinking they know those people and have the right to meddle into their lives. I cannot understand where common sense and human decency have gone?! Ffs, deal with your own lives, no matter how sh*tty and boring they are. Things like this happen when lines between social and parasocial relations get too blurred. I honestly don't think human kind has anything humane left...
I get my fresh cucumbers from the Mennonite community. My 16 year old and 14 year old did kindergarten at the Mennonite school for two years before I homeschooled. They have cars. Tractors. Electricity. The older lady I get my cucumbers from has a cell phone. I get a text from her when she is ready for me to pick them up. They aren't supposed to be on social media, and are supposed to be in a "slow" lifestyle. They also speak a version of German and learn modern German for writing in school.
Loving her spiel about how people online ruined her “plain community” lifestyle by “outing her” for not respecting the rules set forth by said community she so badly wants to part of. Maybe try actually following the standards they set or leave. Stop cosplaying Amish.
My family hung around a Mennonite group for a while growing up. They wore the outfits and lived on a mostly all natural farm, but had a computer, phones, and internet. They seem to make their rules up family by family
People have now found an account from 2022 of her living a non-plain life as well (she'd consistently said she converted in 2018,) resulting in her going scorched earth on her Sarah Joy account.
But even now she isn’t “all in” so does that really prove anything? I don’t know the ins and outs of her community but I assume you don’t go from a worldly person to a plain person overnight. There would be some transition where you’re doing both. Idk how old she is, but (esp if the parents are a diff religion) I could see her parents making her graduate highschool first “just in case” she changes her mind about living a plain lifestyle. Obv we can’t know much without digging too much into family/personal life. But very interesting
@@WaffleSalad Yeah I'm not sure on the whole process of it - just that she seemed to imply she'd been living the lifestyle as of 2018, but this account has her living like "normal" (subjective obv. Nothing wrong with being Amish/Mennonite, just blanking on phrasing) up until Dec. 2022 (and, interestingly, doing a lot of dressing up, low-cut shirts, slit skirts... stuff that absolutely would not be allowed.) It's all pretty odd. I'm curious if she'll ever come back on her old account and reveal it was, like, a roleplaying account or something. Edit: Allegedly her sister has come out and confirmed via comments that it was all a lie for attention. WHELP.
@@coffiekittie It's @antagonizethepatriarchy Only sharing the name because quite a few people have now stitched videos from it/tagged it - please don't go harassing 🙏
Her wearing makeup could have been during that time period when Amish teenagers can go off and experience the “English world.” Then they chose whether to stay in the Amish community or leave.
9:00 This is just off for so many reasons. 1. If, and that's a big if, she grew up in the community, and as per amish tradition she was allowed to see the outside world at 16, she wouldn't have had nearly enough exposure or time to adjust to it to be able to make a comprehensive choice. Since you're indoctrinated by amish traditions and only given a handful of opportunity to taste the world in comparison. 2. If she didn't grow up in it, which is more likely, you can't just join any communities. They're pretty closed off and only marry within their own community. I've seen her videos before and she's made quite a few, she did not grow up amish. This is a whole persona she created bc she likes living off the grid, but started documenting herself in tiktok
I know some people who are Amish, but it’s the kind who are allowed to have a truck and basic electric stuff. I forget what it’s called exactly but they’re very kind and always sell their products at the farmers market
My experience with the amish are that they're...nice enough. If they aren't selling to you directly or asking permission to enter your property, they treat you like you're lower than them. Like how jws separate themselves from nonjws and their religion has this "everone else is going to hell" attitude
what Amish can and can't do depends on the bishop, so it can vary from one area to another.. There is also a wide range of Mennonites, from wearing dresses and a head covering to wearing shorts and no head covering..
There’s many Amish groups out here where there’s some groups that use and not use electricity and technology. I used to live in far northeast of Ohio where there’s a few groups that have mixed lifestyles with technology and electricity, and some that still keep living traditional. Mary Yoder’s Amish restaurant was one of the best Amish cuisine restaurant I’ve ever had. I love their braised pork and date nut pudding with some kind of syrup or sauce, and whipped cream. Love their food. Never feel weird as an Asian eating in full white countryside restaurant. They are super friendly and skillful, unlike me getting brain-rotted by internet especially TikTok clips these days. 👌
One thing about growing up in a small town, like only one high school small, didn’t get a super Walmart until recent years small, like when we got a chik fila, a cookout and a jersey mikes it was a BIGGGGG DEAL type small 😂. I thought I was an expert on how bad folks can get in your business…… UNTIL TIK TOK!! I mean it’s almost like the modern version of the Salem witch trials without the actual burning of course but damn near! Ppl will dig up shit you did in KINDERGARTEN, and the second they turn on you they will burn your entire reputation to the ground. Maybe not growing up with social media I don’t have the attachment the newer generation does but I will never understand the obsession ppl have with other random ppl or the need to be loved and or accepted by random ppl. Maybe she is playing Amish idk but unless she’s taking money from ppl, lying on someone else or sincerely hurting someone it’s INSANITY to even care enough to dig through someone’s life to this degree. I find myself saying “who tf cares” so often when it comes to TIK TOK drama.
I was adopted by my aunt after my parents died. Her and her family are Amish. My parents had left the community before their death. All of my family is Amish and they live as so. They gave me so much grace knowing it wasn't how I was brought up...but they NEVER compromised their religion and lifestyle. To me this is all a joke, for clout, to get likes. Anyone who ACTUALLY believes would never go online. They would never compromise their beliefs. They would live 100% "plain". I only have knowledge to Lancaster pa german Amish. Its a small group. But they would never go online for any reason. I wish they could understand and for safety reasons I wish they had more technology. But I respect their religion and relationship with God. It's frustrating but they have never made me feel less than. They always give. They try their best. Fyi I do not live plain... Obviously. But I respect them and love them for who they are. They loved me when I was alone and gave me everything they could.
That's very sweet! That they adopted you and didn't try to force you to change your lifestyle. That must have been very difficult for both sides to navigate.
I was raised in a German Mennonite family. The religion is a spectrum and the people in it range from, what you would basically see as a relativity normal Christian person all the way to what people typically picture in their heads. My immediate family was a bit more on the English side than not. But I have plenty of uncles and cousins in the fundamentalist sect. And I spend a lot of summers wearing a bonnet and cooking for the men on my Uncle John's farm. Her saying she spent a lot of her younger years living a relatively English life before committing fully is a thing that could have happened. Like, that happens.
People really have 0 clue and her "friend" doesn't either. I knew many Mennonite families who you'd never know were because they dressed modern, even sometimes makeup, but not a lot. She may have decided to enter a more plain lifestyle on her own and may have faultered at time or had to dress a certain way before a full commitment. People believing all of Amish and Mennonite sects are the same baffle me
I’m in Pennsylvania for two weeks, visiting my sister, and in Lancaster, there’s a good portion of Amish in the city, so it is WILD to see this sort of drama going down live, while I’m actually in an area like that.
I read about some people, when they embrace a cult, they forget all the years they have lived, and they speak in a way that shows that they were born and lived their entire lives embracing this cult, so that even if they converted to it when they were thirty years old, they will treat it as if they have been in this cult all their lives.
i mean, with the brand deal thing, since she may have gotten paid already, if she took it down the company could go after her for said money, right? probably depends on how long ago the video was and what the deal really was for, im not too familiar with how brand deals work.
If she was actually committed to being Amish, and really chose the lifestyle, she wouldn't be participating in the "drama." She never would have broken the rules to post on Tiktok. Doxxing is still wrong no matter what, but I don't believe that she's actually Amish.
Right. If she was really that concerned about being kicked out she would stop worrying about petty drama on TikTok. I bet she's going to make up some story about how the pastor kicked her out so she has a way out this lie she's been living on social media.
She's not "participating in the drama" - she's trying to clear crap up so people will stop harassing her and her family OFFLINE! She said as much when explaining she and her family had been doxxed.
I live VERY close to the Amish community (central PA) and anyone on camera not being satirical claiming to be Amish either left the community or is lying. They believe cameras steal bits of your soul. It's forbidden to be on camera and it's encouraged to scold tourists who don't know. Idk what the real situation is but I definitely have had suspicions.
I'm also deeply not impressed with her "you goofballs thought I was being kidnapped, you watch too much true crime", no girl...your whole body language was different, it was off, you looked scared and you absolutely knew it. Otherwise you would not have been so cryptic. People aren't too into true crime, they know that some religious communities, sometimes especially those that are more isolated, can be very controlling. And with you not even specifying what religion and lifestyle you are in it could all well be a high control cult. She knew what she was doing when she posted that first video and then trying to blame other people? That is tacky. Tacky.
You literally just made a whole scenario by just examining her body language when even that science isn't a hundred percent accurate. You literally made an assumption and then blamed her for you making that.
@@Ashbrash1998 body language is a thing bro. Sure people jumped to conclusions but she was 100% acting strangely (ie in a way that was inconsistent with the character she actively displayed on that account). Lie to yourself all you want, but this weirdo religious cosplayer your defending is lying right through her teeth.
My neighbours are menonites. Amish are typically their own separate community and avoid modern technology where as menonites are allowed use modern technology but in a reserved way. They run our local shop so use card machines and social media to promote their businesses. I have seen them with their own phones but they would be modest- not an overpriced, most current model. Locals still keep calling them amish though 😅
If the truth is that she converted, it must have been very recently because the first video I saw of hers, maybe 2 months ago, she explained that she was not a member of the community but she worked in a store in the community. And that she dressed in that style for work and she wanted to share some of the parts about the community that she found beautiful. But she couldn’t get caught with the phone because even though she wasn’t part of the community they didn’t want employees using phones at work.
There is something about her that seems untrustworthy/dishonest. She did try to muddle how she came into the community. But that’s her business- she doesn’t deserve to be doxxed.
Now that we know she converted to the community a couple years ago, her video is comes off as highly manipulative. She obviously wanted people to assume that she was being forced to make the videos against her will and her acting was ridiculous. I saw clips from her old videos where she said she used to pray that she would get injured as a child so she wouldn’t have to help with the farm work or harvest. She definitely pretended that she was born into the community until she got called out of it.
This is all so cringe. I’ve seen her TikToks and immediately knew she was an attention seeking liar. The indignation of her response is hilarious to me given how obvious she tried to make it look like she’d been found out or was in a hostage situation. If she’d been found out and needed to lay low I doubt this drama and “clearing her name” would’ve been an acceptable reason to an Amish leader to post again. I’ve met a lot of mennonites where I work and where I go to church. This looks like that to me. Regardless, she’s just another dramatic attention starved person lying on the internet. Just extra cringe.
How is she worse than the people doxxing her family and harassing her? Like she literally isn't causing any harm or spreading any toxicity, and you have so much vitriol against her. Like calm down she didn't pee in your cereal
Their rules are very complicated, they do use technology but in different ways. Some are allowed to have a generator for electricity but no wired electricity to their house.
@@s198203 It also depends a lot on the specific group. Some of them still don't allow cars, some of them have electricity in their homes and work 9-5 jobs.
But tbh the idea that an Amish person wouldn’t have running water but would have a fridge and regular oven is odd. I can’t say definitively that no Amish person lives like this, but usually it would be the opposite.
Apparently, she had a tiktok account before the plain one, called Antagonize the Patriarchy. Very clear to see that it's the same house she'd film in for both.
Someone who converted to the Plain community wanting to antagonize the patriarchy? Well... that's a thing. How old is that account? Did she still dress plain?
Core question: why would someone belong to a community that doesn't interact with social media ... to publicise herself and her community on social media?
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There's a lot more to the Amish community than making your own clothes and not cutting your hair. The culture is pretty rigid. If she actually joined an Amish community then she did it for optics because if she did it to embrace the values then tick-tock is one of those things she absolutely would have shunned
A person can't really "join" the Amish anyway. Converting to being Amish isn't typically something that's done. Converting to being Mennonite, sure, but to being Amish? Not really. The Amish are sort of a "either you're born Amish or you're not" sort of thing.
@@Renee-wy1po yeah if she gets "kicked out of the community" 🤦🏼♀️🙄 then it's because she definitely deserves it. She has no respect for the culture or customs. I could write an essay about how disrespectful she's been if I assume anything she said is true. But I don't assume that it is because I learned more about the Amish and Mennonite culture from driving through Dutch Pennsylvania than she seems to know. THIS is an example of cultural appropriation for clout *edited for typos
@@marygray7422 yes I agree, we are having a lot of them here in wv so far we had 15 move around us they have driven by on horses,and the one up the Mt has Camel's for milk that is the first time I see that ,
She's seeing IF she can get into the comunity... Sooo she does something she's NOT suposed to do, before getting in... and it's everyone elses fault? Hu? Also, doxing? sick barstools.
The part that gets me is posting a video basically saying goodbye like she got caught and won't be coming back... but then immediately having a response ready to go. Girl, did you get into trouble for having a phone or not. Although now people have found an account from 2022 of her living a non-plain life and her main is gone. So oops, I guess.
I love seeing a new tik tok drama come across my fyp and going dang, can’t wait for markies vid to drop on this 😂 I saw my first video from this drama last night
The Amish do not have electricity or fridges in their homes or running water. However, the Mennonite community have all of those things. They are often confused I grew up around both. She is definitely Mennonite. They accept modern conveniences to an extent but not cell phones especially smart phones. Even her house is not Amish they would not have modern siding and things like that.
The Amish communities are incredibly varied and different. Some find a bare face sinful, and HEAVILY encourage a beard, while others find a beard sinful, and heavily encourage you shave, lest you be seen as a devil. Some are strictly no technology, while others allow some (Such as decorative lights), and others are very okay with technology, using tractors and and more common amenities. My point is, we don't know enough to really give a solid opinion. Personally, just leave the girl alone, she clearly is enjoying where she is.
Sarah says she's losing her place in her community because people are spreading rumors like...girl you literally said you would get in trouble for being on TikTok. you can't blame the rumors when you claimed to be breaking rules to begin with 🤨
@@crypticfangs489 cyber bullying is never the answer and of course she can be upset with them. but i don't think she can solely blame them for possibly being expelled from the community when she was doing things, publicly, that would get her expelled from the community. that part DID come first and she flaunted it.
A couple explanations: I know someone who’s parents divorced and one parent left the community. So she could have been in custody of either parent back and forth Alternatively, she could have been in the foster system and returned to the community as soon as she was of age.
Idk anything about the situation, however her accent disappeared between her new video and her sponsored video. I live in a heavily populated plain area. You can even find plain clothes at some of the thrift stores locally.
My parents had Amish friends and we would travel every summer to go see them in Pennsylvania & Imo why even do this if you know what the consequences are 🤔 I say that bc my parents friends wouldn’t even let ya take a picture of them bc they said it was evil & they portrayed it as “devil taking a piece of your soul” …. I remember certain things about my summers there so that’s why I say if Sarah Joy knew what the repercussions could be yet still chose to go online & share & do vids then if she’s excommunicated & shunned by the church which is a very real part of their life & religion then is it anyone’s fault but her own if she does get shunned by bishop? I don’t mean that rudely or mean at all just knowing “that life” it’s very upfront about modern things & society. I ❤ social media & think everyone should do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone ❤ but with that being said if you know Amish even Mennonite people then ya know they’re strict strict when it comes to way they live & it’s known what will happen if ya disregard their practices. So I don’t agree with doxxing people or bullying anyone ever & think ya should treat everyone with respect & kindness But Sarah Joy was no stranger if she’s Amish as to what would happen if the church & community learned she’s on TikTok 🤷🏼♀️ but she chose to anyway so is it truly anyone else’s fault that she may have to face repercussions & take accountability for her actions 🤔bc she seemed to attempt to shift blame if her bishop did shun her to it being others fault it’s happening 🤷🏼♀️ I know Amish also have a period where they can choose to leave at like 18, & they’re allowed to go out & ignore rules for a period of time & then decide if they want to stay or want to leave the community. My parents friends had 6 kids 4 left, 2 stayed. I say all this because if Sarah Joy joined this community then she was FULLY aware how serious they feel about modem society, modern amenities lk cell phones, social media & even the act of recording video/taking pics etc & their beliefs & reasons for their practices bc they will gladly share it😂 One memory though that was pretty neat was watching their community come together to raise a barn it was fascinating to me & I remember always thinking how incredibly disciplined the kids were to not want nor even try the things others their age due to their beliefs. The 1 girl I was close with job was the buggy driver on horse carriage rides around community & I remember 1 of our last visits I was talking about college etc with her & remember her looking at me both excited, scared & bit intrigued asking me questions about the university I toured etc & then her attitude suddenly shifting when she started speaking about how she’d never know any of that bc it’s not allowed 😢 I told her ya don’t have to stay ya know & she said “oh but I do it would crush my parents” & I’ll never forget the look on her face😢 With all that said 😂 My point is if she really is Amish & willingly joined the community & done all that was required to do so then she was certainly aware of what repercussions would be if she didn’t follow or abide by them so for her to kinda seem like she’s shifting blame to “viewers” as reason for her bishop finding out when in reality she knows that community may not have technology but that doesn’t mean the gossip & rumor mill isn’t going full speed all the time 😂 she knew when she garnered a large audience it was matter of time before Bishop knew😂
She's lying. I'm good friends with both Amish and Mennonite in my community. They may have different ideas about using electricity etc.. but one thing is constant. Vanity is a deadly sin and posting videos of yourself, especially a female alone, is extreme vanity
I love how people became so invested in whether or not this chick was Amish or not. Who give AF? 😂 Like if she’s lying who cares?? I doubt the Amish are going to post a video being like, “Guys…how dare she do this? I got receipts.”😂😂
Just because the Amish can’t post a video doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be terribly offended. They will literally disown their own children who don’t want to be Amish. They are very strict people who would probably not appreciate this at all.
Whether they want to admit it or not, Menonnites and Amish are very similar, despite all of them claiming, if you ask, that they're totally different. One former Mennonite content creator I know explained the difference as Mennonites are Amish that drive cars. He also explained other Mennonites will even claim they're different from "those other Mennonites" down the way, when the only real difference is one group mandates you only wear white button up shirts and the other is cool with flannel shirts.
The fact she says she may be losing her place in the community because people can’t leave well enough alone is crazy; You might be losing your place in the community because you broke the very strict rules of the community. Don’t get me wrong people bothering her and what not definitely didn’t help… But surely she has to be able to see that she wouldn’t be in this position at all if she didn’t start making TikTok videos… Something that not even all non-Amish people do… I don’t know… I find this very hard to believe… That you would join a community go through all that trouble… When they almost never let in new people and then you would immediately start breaking the rules in the biggest way possible… I don’t know somethings weird about this story And I think it’s her
Here for the Dramish 😂
You are so punny!
I love you for this😂
Ha! Nice 😂
@@MissusFroggy333ho this
Wow 😂😂
Whether or not she's faking, there was absolutely no need to doxx her.
The Amish are supposed to be the one group we can cyberbully without them finding out about it
Mennonites are like Amish Lite, they will often run store fronts and such to interact with wider world in conjunction with Amish. (Amish furniture and food stuffs selling well but Amish not wanting to interact with the modernity needed to do transactions)
Just babies left now!
@@obnoxiousbluebird6634even the babies know
@@LizStaples my dads side of the family is Mennonite, they live normal lives. I have 13 aunts and uncles and that’s about the only weird part
@@LizStaples Amish were Mennonites until they separated from them in the 1600s and since then they have been separate and distinct, they are not Amish just as a person who eats chicken once in a while isn't vegan , just like a person that can just dog paddle isn't a swimmer, Just as a person that played donkey Kong in the 80s isn"t a gamer, do i need to go on?
"Hello friends and others" is an absolute banger of a line
Okay.. but imagine this line if she actually spoke Pennsylvania Dutch. 🤣 the basic modern American accent just doesn't cut it
Ngl, 'Amish TikTok drama' was not on my 2024 bingo card.
Fun fact, there's actually an r/amish sub on Reddit. It has almost 200k members and not a single post 😅
I love this comment! Thanks for the fun fact. 😂
It's not often that someone says "fun fact" and it actually is a fun fact! I needed this.
lol
Wow interesting 🤔
😂😂😂
I mean I get people’s curiosity but why do people get so OBSESSED and invested with uncovering absolutely everything about some random stranger on the internet. It’s honestly creepy that they find their siblings and family members then just dox all their private information just cause they want to be the person to expose and get attention… absolutely baffling!
It's not about the attention, it's about the lies and decit these family or friends are exposing millions to. The fact you thought it was about the popularity is also mind blowing that is what you thought first and ran with without further exploring other reasons ones might do this to these people....
I agree with u 100%, Jaykay! This creeper gamersplayground person must be one of those obsessed weirdos who doesn’t have a life and takes the online world way too seriously. It’s sad and anyone who is ok with doxxing someone & their family just because they may or may not be Amish (or some other silly online situation) is sick in the head - it’s disgusting
Yeah, the only people who are worried about it are the ones that you hide behind fake account to say whatever you wanna say on the Internet
@@gamersplaygroundliquidm3th526some people 10000% dox others for attention...it's really not a far fetched concept.
@@gamersplaygroundliquidm3th526 No excuse for doxxing also you can convert so that isn't even proof of deception. And even if she's lying unless she's using that lie to get benefits, who actually cares? People role-play dumb bs all the time.
Can society use these skills to find the real bad guys in the world, instead of innocent people living their lives? Enough with exposing random people, it's sketchy and completely uncalled for.
I totally agree with you - but I think something to remember is that people make money from these multiple social media platforms. If you’re going to lie and profit from it, people are going to be upset and I think everyone has the right to know what they’re buying into and supporting. I don’t do any social media because to me it’s bad for people’s mental health and a waste of time, but some people seem obsessed 🤷♀️
@@whitway12 people make money but is SHE making money. I've seen people say this but they don't say if she profits and if so in what way.
INNOCENT?? OMG. You know NOTHING about the Amish do you??? 🤦🏽♀️
Amish were Mennonites until they separated from them in the 1600s and since then they have been separate and distinct. The differences are mainly in their outward practices of those beliefs.
They sometimes work together Mennonites running stores selling Amish goods for example. They tend to be in similar areas if you see one you are likely to see the other. Mostly Midwest and North East.
Not a lot of Amish in the burning hot South West for example
There’s an inordinate amount of mennonites in the south but no Amish.
@@LizStaples I used to see tons when I lived in Tennessee. I guess that's mid-south but still.
@@kittygoesWOOFI would assume when they say south west they’re talking about like Arizona and New Mexico lol, far from Tennessee
My grandmother's family were Mennonites. They're also okay with using technology and cars.
I grew up mennonite. We left when I was 16, so around 16 years ago. We had electricity, running water, vehicles, and eventually the internet. However, social media was strictly forbidden. If someone was caught with it, you're not in danger. They just excommunicate you. You're allowed to come back if you apologize in front of the congregation.
Look drama is one thing … doxxing someone is a *crime* and can get people harmed it’s just wrong to doxx someone in general but especially over something so stupid
if doxxing is supposed to be a crime..why doesnt anyone get arrested for it? and why is the name, address, phone number and email, for every US citizen, posted publicly online in free databases? if you google yourself youll think youre """doxxed""" too.
@@foxbuns because doxxing by definition is using this information to cause harm or threat of harm to others
@@foxbunsit's considered harassment.
@@NicoNicoNessieSub and yet nobody gets arrested for it 🤔
@@foxbunsbecause the government are made of a bunch of old fucking shites who hasn't figured out how the internet works for regular non-rich people, that's why
Dude I swear you manage to find the most niche dramas 😂 I would never find this stuff on my own
So I’m Pennsylvania Dutch. Next rung down from Mennonite. She calls her community “plain” community. That reference is only used by the older Amish n Wisconsin. I’ve never heard an Amish refer to themselves as that. Just as try refer to us as “English”.
From what I can tell, she’s Mennonite if they have electric. Many Amish and Mennonite go down to Florida where they have a little community where it’s more relaxed. If she is Amish and someone found out she’s on social media and discussing how they live, she can very much be disowned. Being near Lancaster, we see a lot of Amish and some who choose to leave the life, will continue to dress “plainly” which is rooted in their faith. So just bc you may leave the community, you may still dress accordingly. I haven’t seen her content to truly know whether it’s real or not. She just reminds me of those who work at the museum that do recreations of Amish life.
im PA dutch as well-plains people is a VERY well-accepted catchall term for the hutterite/anabaptist 'old world' ethnic group! not all amish are OO/old order, same with mennonites. there are amish that use electrics but no mobiles/computers, so on. there is a gradient. im horrified at all of this discourse about this poor girl.
Yeah my family is Mennonite on my dads side from alymer ont and my grandma watches tv, has power, running water
According to a website I found, the Amish are allowed to use electricity as long as it's not on the power grid? Apparently they are allowed to use generators...? I don't know too much about the Amish since in my area, we have more Mennonites. The Amish are non-existent in my part of my province. So, I know that my ignorance is showing in that regard.
The Mennonites in my area are amazing at woodwork and carpentry. I bought a bookcase from one of their businesses some years back and it's in great condition. When I get out into my own apartment, I am intending to buy another bookcase from the same business.
I have family in Indiana that used to rent out their freezers to the Amish (idk if that's what they were or Mennonites or something in between). Family said they weren't allowed to *own* anything electronic, but they could still use it hence the renting
Most Amish are not like it was in the old Amish. I have researched the Amish because I have always the way Amish lived.
Mennonite are allowed to use vehicles. But you can convert to the lifestyle at any age as long as your truly committed they will welcome you to the community.
correct. Its more likely that the other woman simple put her past on blast to get attention. You can convert at any time in your life (or be born in this group). But some people dont know anything but like to brabble 🤣
@@felic86kaufmann57 so true...drama everywhere ya turn now days
There are mennonite groups that don't drive vehicles.
@@angelia3567as long as there have been humans, there has been drama. It just has taken a different form with social media, and everyone can focus on the same drama instead of their local drama
@@felic86kaufmann57 the issue was that she claimed she was raised in the group, however, the way she talks says otherwise. I believe both of these groups speak Pennsylvania Dutch, while this girl clearly speaks like a basic suburban millennial. Her story doesn't make sense. Also the way she refers to them as the "plain community" would be like a "mormon" referring to themselves as a "mormon." Most Mormons refer to themselves as LDS due to the stigma around the word mormon. Someone who grew up in the church would know this. The same way that someone within one of these "plain" communities wouldn't refer to themselves as "plain." Hope that makes more sense than her suspicious ass story. 😂
Growing up in the Ozarks there was a large Amish community nearby. A couple of their men showed up to all our backwoods bonfire parties and sold us weed and Amish made moonshine out the back of their wagon.
I just need to know… was it good weed?
@@dacosmicari at the time I thought it was great. As an adult with a medical card, it probably wouldn’t phase me you know? 😂
Ok that sounds dope af.
@@CelesteMinerva we liked them 🤷♀️😂 a lot of my friends are currently Amish or ex-Amish, left during rumspringa.
Nice
I’m not Plain, but I have friends who were and are still in good terms with the colony. This isn’t proof of anything, but Mennonite & Hutterite folks may say they are Amish just because they are used to people not understanding their religion or culture, and Amish is the best shared reference point. There can be huge differences between the various penn Dutch anabaptists, heck the Hutterite men even drink, everyone drives cars & uses phones, etc, but they still live a very different lifestyle than “English” (non-Plain) people.
This!! ❤
THIS. i'm PA dutch/plain [1st generation "out"; totally estranged from that side of my family]-whenever people ask what that means i just say 'think of the mennonites, but not' lol. horse and buggy summers!
Honestly that's what I assumed
I have Hutterite family and this was my first thought too
This in a totally separate subject reminds me of my cousin in law who has Asperger's, but has started just saying he has Autisim because most people didn't know what he meant with Asperger's and has been merged into the Autism spectrum now. Sometimes it's just easier to use the better known term that close than to have to have to break it all down.
Whether she’s Amish or not, it’s still intriguing to think about how even in seemingly quiet and isolated communities, drama and tension can still arise.
well they have nothing else to do 💀
Oh the drama is SO much more intense in small and isolated communities
There’s a lot of drama in cloistered communities. The unfortunate side effect of being a closed community is that sometimes unsavory people try and hide from their troubles there.
I mean...if you ever read any literature or anthropological etc articles you wouldn't be surprised. Like...how is this surprising to you...sounds very US American to me
People are people 🤷🏽♀️
connecting the circle of markie, her callback video on the porch was reposted by Lauren the mortician, who (in my opinion) did it to make fun of her so it's nice to know Lauren the mortician is still bullying people even though she has her own problems she should be dealing with.
I stopped following Lauren when all the drama started as I wasn't going to support her or her actions. Occasionally, FB likes to shove one of her videos in my feed. Seems like she's trying to pretend nothing happened and life is all good and normal. I also always comment on her poor behavior and choices. Nice to see that leopards don't change their spots.
@@robinoconnor553 I was going to unfollow her, but I stayed just to see if she was going to change or continue her ways. I don't interact with her stuff, I just see, say "interesting" a la iCarly and keep it moving. it's not worth calling her out, she doesn't see a problem with what she's doing.
@@AliciaReeseComedy and thats the worst part. Hundreds of thousands of people told her EXACTLY why she was wrong and she still didnt change.
@@pandapies6703 100% agree. there comes a time when you can't say "oh they're just trolling" and it becomes who they actually are. she might have been reposting it because she was like haha, look at her, boo her!!! and at the same time she could have reposted it to say "look, she's WAY worse than me!" either way is just disappointing. I never saw her as someone to look up to, I just didn't think she was this... catty. catty and petty.
i didn’t think she was held hostage i thought she was upset because she didn’t wanna leave her community, it’s her home, but she also didn’t wanna leave tiktok. people are crazy frl
My cousin's husbands family is Mennonites they do drive and own phones their rules are a lot different then the Amish. Even the Amish aren't totally against technology they are mainly against being dependent on the government and the power grid. They don't live the way most people assume they do. They will use electricity for medical necessity but they use generators to power them. They will take their children and themselves to Doctors and they will ride in a car they just won't drive one themselves. I have no idea if this girl lied or not even if she did her info being released is horrible.
It actually depends on the group. The ones near me don’t use electricity at all. The did start vaccinating after a terrible whooping cough outbreak. Each group has their own rules. They are wonderful neighbors though & I’ve enjoyed meeting many of them!
A lot of people get confused and claim Mennonite are 100x stricter than Amish. And then I tell them about the Mennonite family that would drive their van once a week and eat at the Wendy's I worked at 15 years ago and they're like ......oh.
You're completely wrong about the Amish. Mennonite have far more luxuries than the Amish. The Amish are highly strict. My husband's family and extended family from both sides are Mennonite and Amish from throughout the North American continent.
@@elizabethr4107 I live by a very strict Amish sect & most of this is accurate.
I've been on a greyhound bus a few times going through Ohio and Indiana with Amish people. Had the misfortune of sitting right next to an Amish man once. They do use public transportation.
I've camped out with hutterites and they have their own cars. But they dress like the Amish. The hutterites in Roundup Montana, if memory serves me correctly, have a community room with one television reserved for news and emergency notices. They also gambled. They did a LOT of stuff that the Amish don't do. 😂
That’s a big problem with tick tok everyone gets way too involved in peoples business
I do believe in the mason jar with the cream she is making butter. My mother would tell me about how my grandma used to do that periodically because my paternal grandparents were farmers and and gave them fresh cows milk sometimes.
100% that's what it is. I did this with my kids. There are all kinds of resources on butter making with the rise of homesteading.
She'll develop a strong arm making butter like that. It doesn't happen quickly 😅
I remember doing this when I was 6 as a lesson exercise.
@@infin8eeright? You can get it done pretty quickly in a hand crank mason jar but WHOO jar shaking is something else
I make homemade butter all the time. All butter is, is cream that's beaten or whipped until it becomes butter.
Amish and Mennonite are a spectrum. Ive seen Amish buggies with LED lights underneath and speakers inside. My husband's mom drives a taxi for the Amish and has had girls ask her to play katy perry and lady gaga and have their own phones. Shit happens.
Just like gender is a spectrum?
As someone who's been in Indiana and interacted extensively with Amish/Mennonites? This sounds like a Mennonite lifestyle. Mennonites have electricity in their houses, Amish people do not. They do, however, often have a phone in the barn! Sometimes electricity in their barn! Most of the communities in Indiana/Illinois at least do not use buttons or zippers, and their children do not speak English until their early teens.
Secondary fun fact: Amish/Pennsylvania Dutch are not Dutch. It's a corruption of Deutsch, which is German for German.
That would explain why their language sounds like German, but not quite, lol. I don't know why that never clicked on my brain until I read your comment.
@@phaedrapage4217 it actually is a form of German- it's one of those cool linguistic cases of language divergence from isolationism. From my understanding, the dialect they speak is a survivor of a dialect that's long been overtaken by what's now 'standard German' in Germany. Pretty cool!
It just cracks me up how people seem to think every thing they see online is 100% truth - literally everyone is 'pretending' to some degree or trying to portray themselves in a different light. So what if this girl was lying about being [part of the Plain community? What difference did it make in your life?
This is what's funny to me. She wasn't making anything like false accusations of crimes or asking for donations or anything.
If she was role playing or even lying like, who cares THAT MUCH? If she was causing harm or frauding people for money or something that's one thing but...
Maybe spend time busting the people who fake illnesses for donations and things instead and let the girl play Amish
thats what gets me too. who cares if she is just roleplaying? she only took it too far when she made the crying video accusing others of r@ping her. once you start making legal claims...all bets are off sis.
What's so bad about it?
... I mean ... The problem is where it often _(and did)_ ends up... Lies about SA etc...
No idea why anyone defends liars.
No one likes to be lied to.
@@Idellphany do you watch movies and then feel lied to because the story is fictional?
I'm actually getting the shits of everybody on tiktok trying to just bring everybody down and going after people it's just disgusting.
I'm from Pennsylvania. The Amish and Mennonites have a hard time explaining their own differences. It's like... Baptist and Protestants are all christian, well, Amhets and Mennonites are all plain
As Mennonite I ask, what on earth are you talking about???
@@AmandaKayHowellthey're saying that it's hard to explain the differences in ways that outsiders will understand.
@AmandaKayHowell I'm sure it's easy for you to understand, internally in the community. Explain the semantic differences to me, a n-th generation atheist from the city who literally can't name a single Bible verse tho? Tougher.
Like I said, for those of us not at all tapped in, it's like trying to explain where Baptist ends and Methodust begins.
Having grown up protestant(church of England) couldn't be further away from baptist!
@@jensm4026I think they are more referencing American protestant, not Church of England protestant. It has some similarities but it's entirely different, just like Baptism does with it.
She wouldn't be the first to pretend to be amish on TikTok for views. There's a dude who posts videos of him "experiencing the world" like driving a car for the first time etc.
Even the show Breaking Amish was pretty faked, though not to the extent that people faked being Amish, they just faked the new to the world aspect.
@@omgmo1962 I recently introduced my fiance to Amish Mafia 🤣
My family is half Mennonite, half normal Canadians. My dads side is the mennonite side. They live normal lives. They have running water, my grandma watches Fox News 24 hours a day lol
im so relieved to find another halfises running around in this comment section lol. all these people "who live out in amish country" talking about our people like we're geriatric aliens SMH 😭
Half Mennonite?
Is that like being half Christian?
@@MeCooper they're half mennonite ie half PA dutch/plain, lol. it's an ethnic group composed of different religious sects.
@@MeCooperexactly! 🤣🤣 their is no such thing as being half Mennonite.🤦🏽♀️ it’s not a race or an ethnicity.
@@eCodex So 400 odd years ago they became a new race/ethnicity or something?
How does that work tho? lol Also she said she converted... So... She converted race? Can you do that?
At the end of the day it doesn't really matter if she is lying or not. Plenty of people on tiktok/the internet lie. The positive thing to take away from her recent video is that she seems safe. And thats the important thing, right?
Some mennonites also practice a rumspringa. That's where young adults get to go out into the world. When they come back, they have to choose to be all in the community or to leave for good and be excommunicated from the community.
came here to say the same thing
How sick is that? 😮
Why would the community even threaten her to make a video, if true, they'd either have banished her or thrown away her phone. And there are some people who just wants to be fooled by others.
The jar shaking is to turn cream into whipped cream or butter (depending on how long shake it).
She definitely made butter. I've done that but with my beaters. I'm not shaking a jar for an hour.
@@TheImprovised I have done it. It doesn’t take that long if the cream is high fat (mine is about 80-90%) and room temp. But I do normally use my mixer.
I live in Mennonite country and “mennonites” encompasses a large range of beliefs and practices based off them. Old Order are horse and buggy, no electricity, one room school house, plain clothes, etc but then there’s others that blend entirely into modern day and it’s just the church they belong to, like I have friends, colleagues and professors that are Mennonite and you wouldn’t know if they didn’t tell you. There’s also ones that fall kind of in the middle, where they dress plainly but they’re allowed to drive dark coloured vehicles for example. I also know lots that kind of bend the rules, ie they have a phone box on their property line to get around not being allowed phones, or people charge batteries for them so they can have “electric” lights in their store. I don’t want to draw any conclusions but I think there’s a misconception that Mennonite are a very specific set of rules and beliefs but really there’s a whole spectrum from old order to new order, and they could potentially fall somewhere in between.
Also, does anyone else remember the show Breaking Amish🤔 (could potentially be a lot of parallels there)
This is very cool and helpful. It puts into context my experiences with different mennonites
Yes!!! Exactly!
I live near an Amish bakery. Guess what? They drive a car (they own one or two black, nondescript cars amongst the whole community). They have a cellphone (a few among the community so they can run their business). They do stay separate from other people outside of their business.
Right, some more liberal Amish will have a phone usable during business hours only and only for business purposes, and same goes for the cars. The more conservative Amish will not.
I grew up evangelical Quaker in a place where we had somewhat strong ties to more "liberal" mennonite groups. For instance, we had a Mennonite interim pastor for a time, and I attended a mennonite home church for a bit.
Imo, it's complicated. She sounds like she's picked up a bit of that Pennsylvania Dutch/Mennonite accent, or I guess she could be putting it on, but I know I always pick up the idiosyncrasies of those I'm around a lot. She absolutely could have converted, although it takes varying amounts of time depending on the group you're in.
Sometimes, more Conservative Mennonites will low-key refer to themselves as Amish. There isn't always a super clear distinction between the two groups, especially with more liberal Amish folk. And there ARE more liberal Amish groups, although none that I know of would necessarily allow a smart phone. 🤔
Also, sewing your own dresses is not that hard. Cape dresses come together fairly simply and are frequently actually sewn in two parts and pinned together on the body. Also, they're readily available all over Etsy and eBay, and there are even other stores that will make them to order.
There's also a lot of people, in my experience, who sort of hover around the periphery of the plain community, wanting to join but not able to get on board with every tiny piece of doctrine, or they don't want to relinquish control of their families. So, her family could have been one of those, causing her to feel like she was raised plain even if she wasn't.
There's just a LOT of dysfunction in these communities, especially the Amish who have kept themselves closed off from "The World" for so long. I'm talking ab*se and s*xual ab*se of women, children, and animals. Just awful, horrific stuff. Amish dental care is also absolutely torture in a lot of places. So, these communities are just rife with weird behavior. They provide a cover for a ton of abuse, because your supposed to call the church authority before you call the cops. And while I dislike the cops, church authority isn't usually that much better.
Also, in groups like these there's often a hierarchy loosely based on who was born into the community and who wasn't. In my Quaker group, we had "Birthright Friend" and "Convinced Friend".
So, she could very well be sort of cosplaying being the Amish/Mennonite equivalent of a birthright Friend. And I mean, the culture is hard to fully grasp if you didn't grow up in it, so she may just want to just feel like she grew up in it and pretend to the English that she did, thus motivating her to lie.
Regardless, I think she either grew up adjacent to the community or wants to feel a more a part of it in any way she can. Folks like this are often just desperate for community and the Amish prey on that just like any other cult.
From the outside, we often see the plain lifestyle as pastoral or bucolic, but once you're in too deep it's really hard to get out and it's not a peaceful or happy lifestyle. It's awful and exhausting.
I hope she's able to get out eventually, because this whole situation just sounds dysfunctional af. 🤦
Mennonite here. I am ethnically, but not religiously Mennonite. There are lots of ways to be Mennonite and thinking every Mennonite looks and acts the same is bizarre. I have Mennonite relatives who still wear doeck and traditional clothes and some who dress modern.
So is it an ethno-religion then-(like Judaism is)? I had no idea there was an ethnic aspect-thanks for the education!!
@@bridgetsmith8196 It is! because of the inbreeding lol. I don't feel God's love shining down on me but I had varicose veins and arthritis at 20. like people can say I'm not a "real" Mennonite all they want but it didn't magically make my dad's parents not first cousins anymore when I stopped going to church.
A and M kids are encouraged to live "English" for a year to ensure they can commit to the plain life. Not surprised their are old pics of Sarah with makeup etc. M's have electronics, drive cars, even have running water and can upload to social media in some sects (I follow an amazing creator in Ohio with a channel and an Etsy store who is Mennonite). Don't know Satahjoy from Adam, but there ya go.
This "friend" of hers doesn't seem to think others know about rumspringa. It's hilarious. Her family could have re-entered the fold or she did herself.
I had friends who were Mennonites and let me tell you, if she were truly concerned about remaining in the community she would not have posted the message to clear things up, because the outside world would not mean anything to her. This is nonsense.
My thought exactly
Not to mention if leaving social media could get her kicked out why risk it further?
I'm Mennonite, I don't know who your friends were but most Mennontes are not like that. You're going to find that with more with the Amish. I have YT, Instagram, TikTok and so forth and most of the Mennonite friends I grew up with do too.
But seriously… WHO CARES?? If she wants to play dress up, who is it hurting??? U want to call her out in her comment section because u think she’s lying - go for it, but for people to be taking it this far and harassing her family and doxxing her personal info is just sick and creepy. I keep saying it, but some people need to get better hobbies or do something more with their life
@randiken Right, that was my biggest takeaway. Like yeah, maybe she is lying. But does it matter? I can see if someone from the Mennonite community were calling her out, but just random who want to prove someone is faking something? Why do any of them care?
Awww Markie!! Your so nice for saying "I dunno if I'm saying the right words or calling the clothes the right names" so considerate 🥰🥰 10/10 love the content
Lizzie who makes the soaps referenced is Ex Amish, shes a wonderful lady! Shes on youtube and makes content about when she was Amish.
Can you tell me her channel name? Thanks!
@@susanmichelle3292 Lizzie ens :) if you look up her name it should show up! She had like 15k followers
I understand her mourning her place in the community, but you can't have your cake and eat it too if you're going into very strict communities...
“Amish tiktoker” is an oxymoron
I live in Amish country, and as far as I knew, she would get kicked out if she was caught with a smartphone! But there are other groups that dress the same way and use modern technology!
The only thing I loved about Maryland was seeing the Amish in the grocery store. They use a lot of modern tech, other than phones.
Mennonite can use modern technology
I have been friends with some Amish families for going on 30 years, slumber parties and everything. Everything Sarah posts makes me side eye her. She claims to have grown up plain clothes, then goes on the say she converted a few years ago too.
The video just seemed like she was upset not being held captive. Why is there a trend of people assuming women who act slightly off have been kidnapped.
People are becoming more and more unhinged with their behaviour and I don't think about Sarah here.
It seems like people don't have lives of their own so they live vicariously through some random people they're watching on their screens...and then they get carried away thinking they know those people and have the right to meddle into their lives.
I cannot understand where common sense and human decency have gone?!
Ffs, deal with your own lives, no matter how sh*tty and boring they are.
Things like this happen when lines between social and parasocial relations get too blurred.
I honestly don't think human kind has anything humane left...
I get my fresh cucumbers from the Mennonite community. My 16 year old and 14 year old did kindergarten at the Mennonite school for two years before I homeschooled. They have cars. Tractors. Electricity. The older lady I get my cucumbers from has a cell phone. I get a text from her when she is ready for me to pick them up. They aren't supposed to be on social media, and are supposed to be in a "slow" lifestyle. They also speak a version of German and learn modern German for writing in school.
Loving her spiel about how people online ruined her “plain community” lifestyle by “outing her” for not respecting the rules set forth by said community she so badly wants to part of. Maybe try actually following the standards they set or leave. Stop cosplaying Amish.
My family hung around a Mennonite group for a while growing up. They wore the outfits and lived on a mostly all natural farm, but had a computer, phones, and internet. They seem to make their rules up family by family
Heavy cream in a jar, shaken for some time makes butter!!!
People have now found an account from 2022 of her living a non-plain life as well (she'd consistently said she converted in 2018,) resulting in her going scorched earth on her Sarah Joy account.
what's the name of the account?
But even now she isn’t “all in” so does that really prove anything? I don’t know the ins and outs of her community but I assume you don’t go from a worldly person to a plain person overnight. There would be some transition where you’re doing both. Idk how old she is, but (esp if the parents are a diff religion) I could see her parents making her graduate highschool first “just in case” she changes her mind about living a plain lifestyle. Obv we can’t know much without digging too much into family/personal life. But very interesting
@@WaffleSalad Yeah I'm not sure on the whole process of it - just that she seemed to imply she'd been living the lifestyle as of 2018, but this account has her living like "normal" (subjective obv. Nothing wrong with being Amish/Mennonite, just blanking on phrasing) up until Dec. 2022 (and, interestingly, doing a lot of dressing up, low-cut shirts, slit skirts... stuff that absolutely would not be allowed.) It's all pretty odd. I'm curious if she'll ever come back on her old account and reveal it was, like, a roleplaying account or something.
Edit: Allegedly her sister has come out and confirmed via comments that it was all a lie for attention. WHELP.
@@coffiekittie It's @antagonizethepatriarchy
Only sharing the name because quite a few people have now stitched videos from it/tagged it - please don't go harassing 🙏
@@Shippou011 Thank you! Don't worry, I won't, I just wanted to see for myself and make my own opinion ✌
Her wearing makeup could have been during that time period when Amish teenagers can go off and experience the “English world.” Then they chose whether to stay in the Amish community or leave.
My exact thought too
But if she converted like she said, would she still do that?
@@jackiehuff7736 I have no idea
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This is just off for so many reasons.
1. If, and that's a big if, she grew up in the community, and as per amish tradition she was allowed to see the outside world at 16, she wouldn't have had nearly enough exposure or time to adjust to it to be able to make a comprehensive choice. Since you're indoctrinated by amish traditions and only given a handful of opportunity to taste the world in comparison.
2. If she didn't grow up in it, which is more likely, you can't just join any communities. They're pretty closed off and only marry within their own community.
I've seen her videos before and she's made quite a few, she did not grow up amish. This is a whole persona she created bc she likes living off the grid, but started documenting herself in tiktok
I know some people who are Amish, but it’s the kind who are allowed to have a truck and basic electric stuff. I forget what it’s called exactly but they’re very kind and always sell their products at the farmers market
Mennonites tend to be more lax, so probably them
Amish people are allowed to do that but it's also common for Mennonite groups! Just a lil fun fact, my grandma only buys Amish butter
@@liz_loves_catsnot all amish, the ones in my town have a driver because them themselves can not operate a vehicle
@@jademj never said that every Amish person can't drive a car! Technology is often more accepted in Mennonite communities
My experience with the amish are that they're...nice enough. If they aren't selling to you directly or asking permission to enter your property, they treat you like you're lower than them. Like how jws separate themselves from nonjws and their religion has this "everone else is going to hell" attitude
what Amish can and can't do depends on the bishop, so it can vary from one area to another.. There is also a wide range of Mennonites, from wearing dresses and a head covering to wearing shorts and no head covering..
There’s many Amish groups out here where there’s some groups that use and not use electricity and technology. I used to live in far northeast of Ohio where there’s a few groups that have mixed lifestyles with technology and electricity, and some that still keep living traditional. Mary Yoder’s Amish restaurant was one of the best Amish cuisine restaurant I’ve ever had. I love their braised pork and date nut pudding with some kind of syrup or sauce, and whipped cream. Love their food. Never feel weird as an Asian eating in full white countryside restaurant. They are super friendly and skillful, unlike me getting brain-rotted by internet especially TikTok clips these days. 👌
She may be losing her place in the community because she has a phone and does tik tok, not this other girl.
Even if she's lying that doesn't mean it's ok to harass her and her family 😒🙄
One thing about growing up in a small town, like only one high school small, didn’t get a super Walmart until recent years small, like when we got a chik fila, a cookout and a jersey mikes it was a BIGGGGG DEAL type small 😂. I thought I was an expert on how bad folks can get in your business…… UNTIL TIK TOK!! I mean it’s almost like the modern version of the Salem witch trials without the actual burning of course but damn near! Ppl will dig up shit you did in KINDERGARTEN, and the second they turn on you they will burn your entire reputation to the ground. Maybe not growing up with social media I don’t have the attachment the newer generation does but I will never understand the obsession ppl have with other random ppl or the need to be loved and or accepted by random ppl. Maybe she is playing Amish idk but unless she’s taking money from ppl, lying on someone else or sincerely hurting someone it’s INSANITY to even care enough to dig through someone’s life to this degree. I find myself saying “who tf cares” so often when it comes to TIK TOK drama.
I was adopted by my aunt after my parents died. Her and her family are Amish. My parents had left the community before their death. All of my family is Amish and they live as so. They gave me so much grace knowing it wasn't how I was brought up...but they NEVER compromised their religion and lifestyle. To me this is all a joke, for clout, to get likes. Anyone who ACTUALLY believes would never go online. They would never compromise their beliefs. They would live 100% "plain". I only have knowledge to Lancaster pa german Amish. Its a small group. But they would never go online for any reason. I wish they could understand and for safety reasons I wish they had more technology. But I respect their religion and relationship with God. It's frustrating but they have never made me feel less than. They always give. They try their best. Fyi I do not live plain... Obviously. But I respect them and love them for who they are. They loved me when I was alone and gave me everything they could.
That's very sweet! That they adopted you and didn't try to force you to change your lifestyle. That must have been very difficult for both sides to navigate.
I was raised in a German Mennonite family. The religion is a spectrum and the people in it range from, what you would basically see as a relativity normal Christian person all the way to what people typically picture in their heads. My immediate family was a bit more on the English side than not. But I have plenty of uncles and cousins in the fundamentalist sect. And I spend a lot of summers wearing a bonnet and cooking for the men on my Uncle John's farm.
Her saying she spent a lot of her younger years living a relatively English life before committing fully is a thing that could have happened. Like, that happens.
People really have 0 clue and her "friend" doesn't either. I knew many Mennonite families who you'd never know were because they dressed modern, even sometimes makeup, but not a lot. She may have decided to enter a more plain lifestyle on her own and may have faultered at time or had to dress a certain way before a full commitment. People believing all of Amish and Mennonite sects are the same baffle me
I’m in Pennsylvania for two weeks, visiting my sister, and in Lancaster, there’s a good portion of Amish in the city, so it is WILD to see this sort of drama going down live, while I’m actually in an area like that.
Crazy, I often passed those areas when I was going to school there. I was quite fascinated lol.
I read about some people, when they embrace a cult, they forget all the years they have lived, and they speak in a way that shows that they were born and lived their entire lives embracing this cult, so that even if they converted to it when they were thirty years old, they will treat it as if they have been in this cult all their lives.
i mean, with the brand deal thing, since she may have gotten paid already, if she took it down the company could go after her for said money, right? probably depends on how long ago the video was and what the deal really was for, im not too familiar with how brand deals work.
MARKIE WE LOVE YOU BUT PLEASE PUT CAPTIONS ON YOUR VIDEOS!!!!!!!
If she was actually committed to being Amish, and really chose the lifestyle, she wouldn't be participating in the "drama." She never would have broken the rules to post on Tiktok.
Doxxing is still wrong no matter what, but I don't believe that she's actually Amish.
She is like the Mennonites that live near me, here in Florida. They are less strict than Amish.
Right. If she was really that concerned about being kicked out she would stop worrying about petty drama on TikTok. I bet she's going to make up some story about how the pastor kicked her out so she has a way out this lie she's been living on social media.
She's not "participating in the drama" - she's trying to clear crap up so people will stop harassing her and her family OFFLINE! She said as much when explaining she and her family had been doxxed.
@@heather2837It's not really petty drama when people are doxxing and harassing her and her family.
I live VERY close to the Amish community (central PA) and anyone on camera not being satirical claiming to be Amish either left the community or is lying. They believe cameras steal bits of your soul. It's forbidden to be on camera and it's encouraged to scold tourists who don't know. Idk what the real situation is but I definitely have had suspicions.
I'm also deeply not impressed with her "you goofballs thought I was being kidnapped, you watch too much true crime", no girl...your whole body language was different, it was off, you looked scared and you absolutely knew it. Otherwise you would not have been so cryptic.
People aren't too into true crime, they know that some religious communities, sometimes especially those that are more isolated, can be very controlling. And with you not even specifying what religion and lifestyle you are in it could all well be a high control cult.
She knew what she was doing when she posted that first video and then trying to blame other people? That is tacky. Tacky.
You literally just made a whole scenario by just examining her body language when even that science isn't a hundred percent accurate. You literally made an assumption and then blamed her for you making that.
@@Ashbrash1998 body language is a thing bro. Sure people jumped to conclusions but she was 100% acting strangely (ie in a way that was inconsistent with the character she actively displayed on that account). Lie to yourself all you want, but this weirdo religious cosplayer your defending is lying right through her teeth.
My neighbours are menonites. Amish are typically their own separate community and avoid modern technology where as menonites are allowed use modern technology but in a reserved way. They run our local shop so use card machines and social media to promote their businesses. I have seen them with their own phones but they would be modest- not an overpriced, most current model. Locals still keep calling them amish though 😅
Lmao there's no way she's actually Amish. The fact that she electricity alone is a dead giveaway that she isn't.
If the truth is that she converted, it must have been very recently because the first video I saw of hers, maybe 2 months ago, she explained that she was not a member of the community but she worked in a store in the community. And that she dressed in that style for work and she wanted to share some of the parts about the community that she found beautiful. But she couldn’t get caught with the phone because even though she wasn’t part of the community they didn’t want employees using phones at work.
There is something about her that seems untrustworthy/dishonest. She did try to muddle how she came into the community. But that’s her business- she doesn’t deserve to be doxxed.
Now that we know she converted to the community a couple years ago, her video is comes off as highly manipulative. She obviously wanted people to assume that she was being forced to make the videos against her will and her acting was ridiculous.
I saw clips from her old videos where she said she used to pray that she would get injured as a child so she wouldn’t have to help with the farm work or harvest. She definitely pretended that she was born into the community until she got called out of it.
IDK foolishness like this is what makes me think banning TikTok for a while might not be a bad thing.
This is all so cringe. I’ve seen her TikToks and immediately knew she was an attention seeking liar. The indignation of her response is hilarious to me given how obvious she tried to make it look like she’d been found out or was in a hostage situation. If she’d been found out and needed to lay low I doubt this drama and “clearing her name” would’ve been an acceptable reason to an Amish leader to post again. I’ve met a lot of mennonites where I work and where I go to church. This looks like that to me. Regardless, she’s just another dramatic attention starved person lying on the internet. Just extra cringe.
How is she worse than the people doxxing her family and harassing her? Like she literally isn't causing any harm or spreading any toxicity, and you have so much vitriol against her. Like calm down she didn't pee in your cereal
I thought the Amish didn't use technology.
Of all the Tiktok dramas I've seen, this is the one that most resembles an Onion article.
Their rules are very complicated, they do use technology but in different ways. Some are allowed to have a generator for electricity but no wired electricity to their house.
Some will for their businesses and a lot of younger people have “secret” phones they charge via generators.
@@s198203 It also depends a lot on the specific group. Some of them still don't allow cars, some of them have electricity in their homes and work 9-5 jobs.
But tbh the idea that an Amish person wouldn’t have running water but would have a fridge and regular oven is odd. I can’t say definitively that no Amish person lives like this, but usually it would be the opposite.
@@kidthorazine they can typically ride in cars but not drive them as opposed to Mennonites who may drive cars.
Apparently, she had a tiktok account before the plain one, called Antagonize the Patriarchy. Very clear to see that it's the same house she'd film in for both.
Someone who converted to the Plain community wanting to antagonize the patriarchy? Well... that's a thing. How old is that account? Did she still dress plain?
Core question: why would someone belong to a community that doesn't interact with social media ... to publicise herself and her community on social media?
I'm glad I found this channel. I get good, balanced summaries of the tea and I don't have to look for it. I think you're a really good presenter too, this is the only channel like this I've ever actually been able to follow without getting super annoyed, can't put my finger on what it is but keep doing what you're doing 😊
There's a lot more to the Amish community than making your own clothes and not cutting your hair.
The culture is pretty rigid. If she actually joined an Amish community then she did it for optics because if she did it to embrace the values then tick-tock is one of those things she absolutely would have shunned
A person can't really "join" the Amish anyway. Converting to being Amish isn't typically something that's done. Converting to being Mennonite, sure, but to being Amish? Not really. The Amish are sort of a "either you're born Amish or you're not" sort of thing.
Yes she left out faith 😂or the religious part , not by dressing and her dress up and hair 😔
@@Renee-wy1po yeah if she gets "kicked out of the community" 🤦🏼♀️🙄 then it's because she definitely deserves it. She has no respect for the culture or customs.
I could write an essay about how disrespectful she's been if I assume anything she said is true. But I don't assume that it is because I learned more about the Amish and Mennonite culture from driving through Dutch Pennsylvania than she seems to know.
THIS is an example of cultural appropriation for clout
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@@marygray7422 yes I agree, we are having a lot of them here in wv so far we had 15 move around us they have driven by on horses,and the one up the Mt has Camel's for milk that is the first time I see that ,
She's seeing IF she can get into the comunity... Sooo she does something she's NOT suposed to do, before getting in... and it's everyone elses fault? Hu?
Also, doxing? sick barstools.
The part that gets me is posting a video basically saying goodbye like she got caught and won't be coming back... but then immediately having a response ready to go. Girl, did you get into trouble for having a phone or not.
Although now people have found an account from 2022 of her living a non-plain life and her main is gone. So oops, I guess.
Love that you covered this! 🤍
I love seeing a new tik tok drama come across my fyp and going dang, can’t wait for markies vid to drop on this 😂 I saw my first video from this drama last night
The Amish do not have electricity or fridges in their homes or running water. However, the Mennonite community have all of those things. They are often confused I grew up around both. She is definitely Mennonite. They accept modern conveniences to an extent but not cell phones especially smart phones. Even her house is not Amish they would not have modern siding and things like that.
😂 you can see she lied for views, 😔 TikTok half the ppl make up stuff , and the other girl has pictures, 😂
A large portion of us (Mennonites) even have cell phones just like everybody else. 🤷
The Amish communities are incredibly varied and different. Some find a bare face sinful, and HEAVILY encourage a beard, while others find a beard sinful, and heavily encourage you shave, lest you be seen as a devil. Some are strictly no technology, while others allow some (Such as decorative lights), and others are very okay with technology, using tractors and and more common amenities.
My point is, we don't know enough to really give a solid opinion. Personally, just leave the girl alone, she clearly is enjoying where she is.
Thanks for making a video on this I’ve been wondering
I’d only admit this on you tube but high demand religion drama is my absolute favorite thing. I have watched every reason of breaking Amish 😂🤫🤐
You do know Breaking Amish is all scripted, right ?
@@roennev as is most reality TV. I was just making a funny confession lol
Sarah says she's losing her place in her community because people are spreading rumors like...girl you literally said you would get in trouble for being on TikTok. you can't blame the rumors when you claimed to be breaking rules to begin with 🤨
@@crypticfangs489 cyber bullying is never the answer and of course she can be upset with them. but i don't think she can solely blame them for possibly being expelled from the community when she was doing things, publicly, that would get her expelled from the community. that part DID come first and she flaunted it.
A couple explanations:
I know someone who’s parents divorced and one parent left the community.
So she could have been in custody of either parent back and forth
Alternatively, she could have been in the foster system and returned to the community as soon as she was of age.
i love not going on tiktok but being able to keep up with random niche drama thanks to you hahahaha ❤️ love the videos, always excited to watch
I’m glad you’re covering this because it so weird!!
Idk anything about the situation, however her accent disappeared between her new video and her sponsored video.
I live in a heavily populated plain area. You can even find plain clothes at some of the thrift stores locally.
My parents had Amish friends and we would travel every summer to go see them in Pennsylvania & Imo why even do this if you know what the consequences are 🤔 I say that bc my parents friends wouldn’t even let ya take a picture of them bc they said it was evil & they portrayed it as “devil taking a piece of your soul” …. I remember certain things about my summers there so that’s why I say if Sarah Joy knew what the repercussions could be yet still chose to go online & share & do vids then if she’s excommunicated & shunned by the church which is a very real part of their life & religion then is it anyone’s fault but her own if she does get shunned by bishop? I don’t mean that rudely or mean at all just knowing “that life” it’s very upfront about modern things & society. I ❤ social media & think everyone should do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone ❤ but with that being said if you know Amish even Mennonite people then ya know they’re strict strict when it comes to way they live & it’s known what will happen if ya disregard their practices. So I don’t agree with doxxing people or bullying anyone ever & think ya should treat everyone with respect & kindness But Sarah Joy was no stranger if she’s Amish as to what would happen if the church & community learned she’s on TikTok 🤷🏼♀️ but she chose to anyway so is it truly anyone else’s fault that she may have to face repercussions & take accountability for her actions 🤔bc she seemed to attempt to shift blame if her bishop did shun her to it being others fault it’s happening 🤷🏼♀️ I know Amish also have a period where they can choose to leave at like 18, & they’re allowed to go out & ignore rules for a period of time & then decide if they want to stay or want to leave the community. My parents friends had 6 kids 4 left, 2 stayed. I say all this because if Sarah Joy joined this community then she was FULLY aware how serious they feel about modem society, modern amenities lk cell phones, social media & even the act of recording video/taking pics etc & their beliefs & reasons for their practices bc they will gladly share it😂 One memory though that was pretty neat was watching their community come together to raise a barn it was fascinating to me & I remember always thinking how incredibly disciplined the kids were to not want nor even try the things others their age due to their beliefs. The 1 girl I was close with job was the buggy driver on horse carriage rides around community & I remember 1 of our last visits I was talking about college etc with her & remember her looking at me both excited, scared & bit intrigued asking me questions about the university I toured etc & then her attitude suddenly shifting when she started speaking about how she’d never know any of that bc it’s not allowed 😢 I told her ya don’t have to stay ya know & she said “oh but I do it would crush my parents” & I’ll never forget the look on her face😢 With all that said 😂 My point is if she really is Amish & willingly joined the community & done all that was required to do so then she was certainly aware of what repercussions would be if she didn’t follow or abide by them so for her to kinda seem like she’s shifting blame to “viewers” as reason for her bishop finding out when in reality she knows that community may not have technology but that doesn’t mean the gossip & rumor mill isn’t going full speed all the time 😂 she knew when she garnered a large audience it was matter of time before Bishop knew😂
This is fascinating from either standpoint, and worrying
If she has electricity she's not amish
She's lying. I'm good friends with both Amish and Mennonite in my community. They may have different ideas about using electricity etc.. but one thing is constant. Vanity is a deadly sin and posting videos of yourself, especially a female alone, is extreme vanity
I love how people became so invested in whether or not this chick was Amish or not. Who give AF? 😂 Like if she’s lying who cares?? I doubt the Amish are going to post a video being like, “Guys…how dare she do this? I got receipts.”😂😂
Nah an Amish tiktoker is inherently interesting and infinitely entertaining
Just because the Amish can’t post a video doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be terribly offended. They will literally disown their own children who don’t want to be Amish. They are very strict people who would probably not appreciate this at all.
Literally just see you post and watch it lol don't even read titles as you make it easy to watch ❤😂
Whether they want to admit it or not, Menonnites and Amish are very similar, despite all of them claiming, if you ask, that they're totally different. One former Mennonite content creator I know explained the difference as Mennonites are Amish that drive cars. He also explained other Mennonites will even claim they're different from "those other Mennonites" down the way, when the only real difference is one group mandates you only wear white button up shirts and the other is cool with flannel shirts.
The fact she says she may be losing her place in the community because people can’t leave well enough alone is crazy; You might be losing your place in the community because you broke the very strict rules of the community. Don’t get me wrong people bothering her and what not definitely didn’t help… But surely she has to be able to see that she wouldn’t be in this position at all if she didn’t start making TikTok videos… Something that not even all non-Amish people do…
I don’t know… I find this very hard to believe… That you would join a community go through all that trouble… When they almost never let in new people and then you would immediately start breaking the rules in the biggest way possible… I don’t know somethings weird about this story And I think it’s her