The Beauty in Zetsubou no Shima's Complexity
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Zetsubou no Shima is another very controversial map in the Zombies canon: the atmosphere is as masterful as every other Black Ops 3 map, and the story beats it hits are both disturbing and emotionally touching. But ask most players about it today, and all they remember is the 20 minutes it takes to turn power on, or how half your time is spent "gardening." Let's take a look at why the developers designed the map the way they did, and what it does right.
"A Zombies Retrospective" is a series in which I play through each Call of Duty Treyarch Zombies map chronologically, and analyze its place in the series.
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Call of Duty: World at War
Call of Duty: Black Ops
Call of Duty: Black Ops II
Call of Duty: Black Ops III
Call of Duty: Black Ops 4
Shi no Numa Trailer
Origins "Archangel" Trailer
Shadows of Evil Reveal Trailer
Der Eisendrache Reveal Trailer
Der Eisendrache "Awakening" Trailer
Zetsubou no Shima Reveal Trailer
Zetsubou no Shima "Dead Flowers" Trailer
The Island of Dr. Moreau (1977) dir. Don Taylor
CZcams Video Footage - "I Want to See the Giant Monster" from theGODZILLA150 ( • I Want to See the Gian... )
"Our Story Begins" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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00:00 - Intro & Complexity
03:54 - Synergy
09:13 - Plants
17:21 - Easter Egg & Side Quests
20:15 - Enemies
25:10 - Atmosphere - Hry
Return of the king
Amen 🙏
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I vividly remember my first experience with the spider boss. I built the KT-4, destroyed the webs because I learned the KT-4 could do that, and stumbled into a boss fight completely unprepared. I won, but not without screaming my head off and scaring my confused teammates. Zetsubou was bold in adding new things to shake up the gameplay and I still love the map despite it’s faults.
Incredible video as always. You are likely one of the few creators in the history of zombies that can give an unbiased take on each map, weighing it for its strengths and shortcomings in a fair and balanced manner. I can't wait for more.
Fair and balanced? Just like random cri-
Yea, these videos are absolutely amazing.
As someone who didn't like where zombies was going at the time, especially by this game, I didn't play many of these later maps. Watching the last 2 videos makes me regret that a bit. I can see some of these maps' strengths now. I was so much younger at the time.
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It definitely feels a lot more refreshing than Tim Hansen's videos, that make me feel bad for not absolutely despising bad maps like die rise. It's just a lot more fun and comfortable to listen to in that sense. I'm interested in the BO4 retrospective's a lot of the other CZcamsrs didn't even bother wasting their time for these, even if they have some interesting aspects to it for example.
ZNS is my favorite map at the moment. been replaying the map over and over getting all the buildables and skulls... this map is so freaking fun
Zetsubou is one of my favorites maps ever
i absolutely love these video essay’s you make, you take deep dives into the map but unlike other youtubers who do the same thing you also shine a new spotlight about certain design elements of the map it’s always a treat to watch these over and over again
i’m happy to wait another 6 months for the next video 😂
Every time he pronounces der eisendrache, I die a little.
Tell me about it.
I'm not even German and yet it causes me pain
17:43 wtf that artillery shot is so lenient, it wasn't even aiming at it. I stressed so much when doing that step and now I see that bs lmao
I intially didn't like ZNS, but I did come to like it over time. One thing I loved from day one however was the story. That ending cutscene still hits hard emotionally. Also I used Anywhere But Here fairly often as a way to get out of trouble, and I remember being very surprised to find myself in that plane. Also also Tank & Nikolai are very funny in this map
it was too complex to begin with but as time went on I thought this map was so cool
This map is literally Plants vs Zombies
Always worth the wait! You truly capture the magic of each map in such a seamless way, weaving each segment to the next. I appreciate that you examine the full scope: highs, lows, context of the maps release, solo vs co-op, etc. Makes for such an engaging watch every time we tune in
I absolutely love zns. to me, the large amount of things you can do in the map is what I like, since it gives me stuff to do other than just "turn on power" and "unlock pack a punch", it keeps me from getting bored too quickly which I find happening to myself with older/more barren zombies maps. the laundry list of item is actually good for me since it's a lot of simpler things as opposed to weird complex things like how some of the bows are.
The more you play it the more you like it which is true of very few zombies maps I hated it at first but over years I've grown to like it.
I don't love it yet but I still play BO3 so I think I will given enough time.
@@FreeSpeechXtremist That's very true ! Tho this was less ZNS for me, and more Verruckt. I hated the difficulty, now I adore the horror.
I swear just yesterday I thought that it would be nice if you uploaded a video and BOOM Zetsubou drops. Exact same thing happened with the Der Eisendrache video too lol
It's wild to me that this game was so full of details that even watching someone talk about it now, I still happen to lean something new.
This sure is a zombies video about the Island of despair. I hope there arent any complex steps to learn
Your pronunciation of "Der Eisendrache" is so cute
I commend the effort
ZnS is my fav map of all time and its hard to put into words why I luv this map so much... so many memories on this map
Man I totally forgot the Spider Bait and friendly Thrasher existed. I don't think I've ever seen anyone use those in an actual game before.
Man there are so many side easter eggs I didn't know about in this map before this video. Great work as always
To me, as a solo player, the lead up from black ops 2 easter eggs into 3 were so interesting. You could tell that they had the inklikg of allowing solo players to complete waster eggs, but theh didnt really fully comit until DE, but i think that on ZNS they took that a step further, because to me it always fel like solo was almost the Intended way to experience ZNS which really thematiclaly ties in to the whole "fighting yourself" thing this map made me feel so strongly. Having not 1 but 2 bosses also just really made it feel like an actual adventure to get through the egg. For that ZNS will always be my favorite map, it just felt like no other egg ever really catered or lent itself to a solo run so well
I liked the map very much at the time, I just wish the easter egg took a little longer to discover.
i love ur videos. they remind me of the things i think about at 4AM when trying to sleep
I think Zetsubou had something that it's counterparts didn't really have. The feeling of scarcity, if you liked to rush all objectives and do everything as soon as possible, you'd find yourself not having enough points to get a gun or open the doors you needed to.
I remember being able to open the bunker by wave three but having to kill the Thresher by knifing him (once you learn his attack patterns it's not too hard, though one slip up and it's over)
I also liked how it almost felt like a WaW map at times, in terms of visuals. The fake M1 garand and MP40 helped in some way.
This map is one of my all time favourites because just when you think you've worked it out, you dig deeper and find something more. It has secrets on top of secrets.
For example this is the first map outside origins that lets you organically (non EE/GG) raise your perk limit to 9, which you can get from fertilised blue plants. You can make the skull last longer by revealing walls in its chamber that tell its story. There is a device in the purple water room that lets you play a hidden song if you activate it in the right order, and so on.
To a new player the map feels so much larger because roughly 1/4 of the rooms are only accessible through non-points related actions (and even more if we include alcoves), and the organic weaving together of the map makes it feel like there's a lot more going on out there than meets the eye, if you can only find it.
The atmosphere in ZNS is impeccable and it occupies more space in my mind than it probably should. It feels isolated and hidden even in the community, where it's often glossed over, but once you dig deep, it really sticks with you
Always happy to see this in my feed. Should be proud of this one man, fantastic as always’ ❤
Got recommended this video from reddit. Really glad i checked out the video. Great vid 👍
No way, where on Reddit? Glad you came over and enjoyed!
This map was a very interesting experience. We did use a guide but I made sure to do my own research and actually understand the plant system. The level of coordination was fun as it went beyond telling each other to input a code. I found the skull specialist more annoying than the plant system as we would have the turn rounds to recharge it when a wall refused to get mesmerized.
It was refreshing to do tasks simultaneously without someone having to babysit a zombie and running and gunning with my brother with the Masamune and Marshalls felt so dynamic as they were powerful but not as braindead to use as the thundergun or origins staffs.
I wouldn't play it often but the map is definitely over hated.
i literally just found this series like 2 days ago and wondered "damn did he stop after der eisendrache" and then bruh
This snap was my first map for wanting to do Easter Easter eggs for zombies, and I remember distinctly how opening up power itself was very straightforward. At least opening of the Then later on and the further steps where the complexity came in, enjoy even more and I’ll say it’s probably my favorite map
I think it’s pretty cool that the map not only references Shi No Numa, but even the classic horror movies from yesteryear that likely influenced those original maps. The most obvious reference to me is Invasion of the Body-Snatchers with the clones pods.
I’ve loved this series for getting to relive the memories of those original WoW and BO1 & 2 zombies maps and getting to learn all about the maps after those games that I never played!
Ah yes, World of Warcraft Zombies
This is what I’d been saying since it came out. Big zombies CZcamsrs wrote this map off because the quest is integrated into the setup for the map, which is why I enjoy it so much. I’m glad other people are also expressing appreciation for this map.
I have been waiting for your next video. I am also excited for you to get to BO4
I may have never really played this map, and it may not be the most loved map, but I always thought there was something strangely beautiful about it
Zombies content creators try not to say der eisendrache in the most cringeworthy way possible challenge
Great video dude!
After playing this map with my friends I can say this is the silliest Easter egg goal.
With Shadows you have to undo the things you did, DE you have to open Dempsey’s pod by doing tons of different steps, in Korod Krovi you have to destroy the dragon to get to Nikolai.
In Zetsubou you do everything to……..turn on an elevator 😂
Beautiful video
I like this video but I’ve gotta correct you here.
The KT4 is not a chain reaction weapon, it’s an area of effect. Any zombie that steps in the green pool will die, no matter the round. It will always take about one second and while they are in the pool for them to die and while they can still block your path, they cannot hurt you. It’s a slightly slower ice staff effect that lasts a little shorter. The KT4 absolutely can be a get out of jail free card, if you charge it up when you think you’re in trouble and shoot the ground.
To end the vid with the ZnS ee tune was chefs kiss🔥
*they had audacity beyond measure insulting us with a map like zetsubou and charging 10 dollars for it; it's not even worth the RAM it takes up.*
Zetsubou in general is underrated. Unless you have Shopping Free, you can open almost half of the entire map easily, but the setup process is what killed me the most.
Honey wake up, white cliffs dropped a video
Not being told you need anywhere but here for the egg is pretty rough
This is my all time favorite zombies map because of its complexity. When I was younger I really didn't know what zombies was going to become, I was just a little kid that played either tranzit or Nuketown until the next DLC released (i actually played bo1 during its lifespan but i had it for the wii so i only had kino, and at that point i didn't know what a DLC map was). Origins was the first map for me to sit there and learn what zombies could potentially become, something more than a "Hit The box grab a few perks and survive" experience
When bo3 released it definitely pushed the quests to an entirely new level, and it gave me an entirely new appreciation for the idea of doing these different things to set up properly, rather than spend 20K Points on perks/pap and a little RNG with the box. The setup felt rewarding, and the complexity makes it worthwhile
This map is no different. Now I'm an Xbox player so I didn't play this on the day it officially launched, so I didn't get to experience all the game breaking bugs that the map was filled with, so I never had to feel all that negativity towards it when I first played. The new plant system felt fresh, something we've never seen before, the new swimming mechanic, the KT4, the swampy eerie asthetic, the spore system. It all felt integrated with one another, and wouldn't work as well without everything else which I love. Taking out a feature from this map won't make it better, but take away from the integration of other features. Easter egg is fun, seting up is complexual but also fun. I know some people don't like dark maps, but it works well in this
MY BOI IS BACK
YES FINALLY
My second favorite map of all time after ORIGINS .
I used to run the solo EE back to back to back some nights bruh I've always said that Zetsubou is my favorite zombies map ever and I laugh at people who hate on it
Never say Der Eisendrache again
After trying for ages to do the Easter egg solo, I grew to love this map. It rewards patience, planning and time with the set up process. Maybe not as much of a reward as others but the cutscene is the most impactful
Ah lit another upload
If only y'all made this video back when BO3 was in rotation😭
Honey be happy white cliff uploaded
Appropriate title would be the uninteresting tasks in Zetsubos complexities.
This is the first map my buddy and I figured out the EE without looking anything up. It was all fairly straight forward once cards fell into place with my buddy getting the electric shield and understanding the plant that grew the shell
There is absolutely no chance you figured out how to do this EE without looking anything up 🤣 how would you know the rainbow water even exists let alone how to use it??
Most of it was luck like training in the purple water room getting trapped and using the skull inside the purple water to get the poster
I think what may be a problem for Zetsubou is that while it is super complex and has a lot to do... there wasn't a lot to tell you what you could actually do. Like yeah, you could upgrade the KT-4! But first, you need to know that the Skull can actually reveal fake walls and there is one specific wall to open at the end of a long underwater tunnel. Then you need to know that you have to plant the seed there to get the part, but it uses one specific water type. And to get that water type, you have to use that tunnel fast travel and hit X just right at the moment to get the rainbow water.
And with a step in the ee, I think while the gimmick of needing a specific gobblegum is neat... it also makes a problem. If no one loads into the map with it, then you are absolutely unable to do the easter egg because you need that part. Plus I don't recall if there is anything in game to tell you that you would need it.
Sometimes, it did feel like a chore.
It is absolutely more of a thing about that era of Blundell zombies. Sometimes, he would make some nice easter eggs and they weren't toooooo complex in nature. Then other times, it would be ridiculous to assume any normal player would know that they have to shoot gravestones to start an easter egg.
To be fair, Zetsubou's lead designer was not Blundell, it was Kevin Drew.
31:15 I never knew about this. It looks like Godzilla
This was the map i found to be the most fun egg. I and a buddy did it like 40 times
Zetsubou is one of my favorite maps to do solo ❤
I thought unwatered plants only had a chance to grow at the end of a round & have a chance to receive a random water(or no water) if previously watered. Similarly you don’t need to water seeds for the imprint plant & can just shoot them from afar with the kt4.
big fan of the channel!! anything cod zombies is usually my go to for background noise and I’ve probably watched all of your video breakdowns at least 2 or 3 times
by any means I hope this doesn’t come off the wrong way but IF you don’t mind me asking,
isn’t this video breakdown of ZNS a bit of revisionist history?
It’s possible I missed the parts where you mentioned any negative aspects of ZNS but imo most of the features you spoke positively about were also the exact features people weren’t a fan of the map and why it was perceived so negatively
from friends/what I saw on reddit, a lot of people didn’t like the thrashers or the flower pods or having to water them or the challenges and having to complete all of them to get the lightning or having to use the anywhere but here gobblegum or the spores on the wall or going underwater AND a few of the other aspects you spoke highly of.
again, great video on the positive highlights of ZNS. personally think ZNS is a badass/fun map while simultaneously being one of the worst maps of all times hahaha
Definitely, some very valid points! I try to hit a balance in these videos between talking about the general fan sentiment, and talking about how I personally feel, so there's two viewpoints mixed in there that don't always agree. I didn't mean to try to gaslight the community LMAO so super fair to point out when I don't do a great job differentiating which viewpoint I'm talking about!
Yeah, a lot/most of the community totally hated things like the thrashers or the challenge requirement, and still do to this day. And I do try to call out things that I agree aren't great, like the plants being tedious or the power process being too much. But overall, just in my personal opinion, a lot of the other stuff really makes the map work and people tend to look at it the wrong way.
Just my opinion again, and yeah you're right I think I'm in the minority on this map especially! Thanks for the callout, and thanks for watching!!
@@whitecliffgames I agree!! I honestly have no major opinions about ZNS because I only played ZNS twice with friends to complete the EE and then never touched the map again bc the EE was already done. I didn’t play ZNS enough to form any negative opinions bc I only cared about the EE and barely remember playing the map at all hahaha
I just remember watching all the EE streams and reading comments etc about everything people didn’t like about ZNS and I was surprised when I heard you talking about all of the negative aspects of ZNS completely different than most players opinions hahaha
was like “damn maybe I’m dumb and people didn’t hate these things about ZNS”
Keep grinding
I'm sorry, this is a phenomenal video, but all I can think after watching it is "HOW DID I FORGET 'DEAD FLOWERS' IS SUCH A GOOD SONG?"
I think this is my favorite map and ove never tried just surviving cuz i was always frinding easter eggs.
Zns is honestly my favorite map. The tone, setting, and how the complexity becomes simplicity when you get used to it.
this exactly explains why i love this map
32 minutes? Oh we wearing good with this one 🙏🏻
It's the only easter egg that you can do without killing any zombies.
This was a classic
He’s back bois
I loved all the maps on Bo3 when they came out, yes even this one and Rev and still play them from time to time even more than SoE which is another amazing map
Zetsubou was really the only BO3 map to get hate from the masses/majority of players (still a minority of players) when it came out. I never understood the hate. There is SO much content in this map. Very cool and unique wonder weapon, multiple boss fights, side easter eggs. Der eisen drach is one of my favorite maps of all time, but its incredibly simple and easy. Zetsubou content wise is better because it has so much to do.
When maps get so hard you need to watch a CZcams video to figure out how to play
Finally someone who gets Zetsubou... good actually
Solutions.. Play solo and save all shopping frees for zet. Trasher is a big push over, don't know why people struggle with him. Zet is one of my favorite maps.
Everybody tryna be Tim Hansen 😂😂
The only reasons why this map was hated on launch were because the doors in the bunker used to be really expensive everyone thought the map was farming simulator and the map was bug ridden but I still prefer this map over GK, Rev and the giant
nice thumbnail title (Tim Hansen)
This is an unpopular opinion, but ive done every easter and this 1 is my favorite; the only bad thing is that the boss fight is easy, but the skull, masamune, getting widowswine for free and turning into a spider are some features that I absolutely love and make this map my fav🔥
You remembered your password it seems anyway dead ops not being included breaks my hearth.
We're 10 seconds in and already I'm impressed by someone actually pronouncing map names correctly!
Imo the plant system is fun and a challenging at the same time
My third favorite map of all time, just behind Blood of the Dead and Voyage of Despair, and *just* in front of Dead of the Night and Tag der Toten. I'm a BO4 homer at heart (and I really hope you'll be covering those maps with the level of care you've given the rest of the series), and ZNS is the closest thing in BO3 that scratches that itch. It feels like Jason Blundell really got let off the leash for a map like this, to be unashamed of its complexity and intricate systems, its dense and stunning map design, a wonder weapon with high power and high ceiling for player skill expression, and a flurry of Easter egg steps that make those of us with a mind for these things happy to go back, replay, and micromanage our games down to a fine point.
I really hope you aren’t joking with blood and voyage … because those maps go hard but barely anyone else seems to like them
Hes home
I was wondering where the videos have been. But I realized for some reason your videos haven’t been showing up in my sub box for some reason. I had to search up the channel. Weird
Dead Flowers great ee song
Change my mind
Man I really wish I could have experienced BO3 in it's prime
This comment hit me…I remember I skipped school just so I can get the physical copy of the game on launch day and play zombies with my friends, we had so much fun playing all the zombies maps…when I reminisce “the good old days” it’s DE and ZNS with the boys and the unique moments we had, truly the best era for zombies and I’m glad I had the chance to experience it at its peak…nowadays I try playing zombies out of nostalgia but my friends have moved on from zombies and it just doesn’t hit the same playing with random people
gotta love hearing non germans say something in german lmao
This is a incredibly made map
Two main issues with this map and why I don't play it:
1. Too many doors
2. Upgrade process for the wonder weapon isn't fun and is a massive pain in the ass
I loved this maps no matter what people says because it’s cool and beautiful
fav bo3 ee
I stopped playing Zombies past Shadows of Evil because I was a kid with no money. I sooooo wanted to keep playing the other maps, and this video on Zetsubo makes me believe that one will be my favorite when I get to playing all of the DLC with my girlfriend. I absolutely love things that are complicated in an engaging way, things like escape from Tarkov or MMO's in general. You talking about all the intricate complexities of the map makes me so excited to finally play it one day
All 4 Blops 3 DLC maps are worth playing
@@tylerwardle2475 They all look awesome, I wanna play them so badly. Just gotta dave up some money 😅
I've been playing Zetsubou lately, doing the Easter eggs on pc with my buddies. Never understood the hate for zets but it is a pain in the ass to play. Still a great map though.
Wish i played bo3 in its prime
i think zns is my favourite bo3 zombies map next to gorod krovi
Why would you not just throw a grenade in the web? I’ve never died to the web walls I’m pretty sure.
Zetsubou isn't that complex, if you get lucky with the right set up, you can literally complete the whole easter egg in maybe under an hour give or take a few extra minutes if you're not doing it solo and to account for actually finishing rounds up to 13 or 15. It's that easy, it's not complex when it's story is that short. To put it in perspective, the giant's easter egg (the one to get the annihilator pistol) requires you to do way more and even revelations with shopping free takes longer.
Finally someone says it!