Die Rise: How (and How Not) to Make a Difficult Map
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The goal of Die Rise was to increase the complexity of the Zombies mode by adding an entirely new dimension of gameplay, platforming, to expand the understanding of what a Zombies map could be beyond just survival against basic enemies. It's a noble goal, but was it successful? What went right and wrong on this map specifically, and what lessons did they learn?
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I loved this map when it came out. Despite its difficulty, it wasn't nearly as complicated and confusing as Tranzit, and the theme of the map was much cooler. I was surprised when I saw the zombie community generally didn't like Die Rise. It's far from the best, but I would consider it a fun map to play.
Same bro. Do you remember the craze around the community when it was cool to hate Die Rise?
@@killwillv2610 Honestly I wasn't aware of the hate until the last couple years or so when I found the zombies community, which is probably why I enjoy the map more than most people. Being blissfully unaware of public opionion on COD Zombies made most of my opinions way different that the masses.
I agree 1000%. I honestly liked the setting too. Even that there wasn't that much to do, the layout was complicated enough to make it more replayable.
I agree, Die rise was one of my favorite BO2 map along with burried. I particularly enjoyed finding different slopes to camp with the sliquofier. I also enjoyed carrying random teams to high rounds. After burried, zombies moved in the direction of complex quest lines to unlock the wonder weapons, and I lost interest. I understand this is a minority opinion but Origins was unplayable to me. I guess I enjoyed the simplicity of the older maps up to and including burried. I was surprised to see so much hate for die rise when I started watching zombies vids again this year.
I hated Die Rise because you can be deep into a run and lose because you didn't time a jump correctly (or even more infuriating when your controller misses your jump input) and now you're plummeting to your death with no chance for revive. Because, you know, COD is a fucking platforming game known for its precise jumping mechanics. You better be playing multiplayer and have enough points to do a perk run and get new weapons and upgrade those weapons because if not your run just ended.
Worst map in the franchise. I don't know what people see in the map.
One thing I will always praise die rise for, is the storytelling and background. The radios (especially the radios) and ambiance are absolute gold. And no other map has come close to it.
i need to replay die rise then bc what storytelling? lmao
@@akusen9 you don't have to, just listen to the radios, it does a lot of world building
@@akusen9 die rise ee song literally details how the apocalypse started
Kino Der Un Toten from Black Ops 1 is the best zombies map of all time. Change my mind! 😤
@@DontDefuse lmao ok chaos
Maybe someday, the less popular maps will be remade, this time no longer held back by the inferior consoles.
I would LOVE to see a Die Rise remake with modern consoles and movement systems, even more than a Tranzit one
Hopefully NOT tho
Inferior consoles?
Inferior consoles? Are you against old gens?
@@DB-bq6zc He isn't saying the consoles themselves were bad he is saying the tech was bad. Tranzit was actually completely reworked due to the limitations of the old gen consoles. So he is saying he would like to see the concepts brought back with tech that can actually handle it.
I think the least the devs could've done is introduce some really hard way of obtaining PhD Flopper on this map. Like, maybe a special elevator key that allows you to stop the elevator halfway up and go grab the PhD, but you need to be quick because the zombies will block your only exit if you're too slow.
Like, make it a reward for all your hard work the way Easter Eggs would give you all perks.
Exactly. Some later in the game way, so you already traversed most of the fall damage trap areas and proved you can do them. PhD was my favorite perk due to dolphin diving and I was so upset during the BO2 release cycle. Perma perks were lame. I was glad with MOTD and Origins... but grief MOTD being the only way you could walk up to the machine (not the wunderfizz) and buy it, hear the jingle, etc... was very lame.
There actually is a way to obtain Flopper in this map. The dude mentioned it in the Tranzit video. They're called Permaperks. You don't somehow glitch into the room where the machine was located. You had to fall to near death damage repeatedly like a dozen times without going down once. The map sees you 'struggling' with the mechanics and environment and throws you a bone in giving you flopper to survive unimpeded. Don't know if this is restricted to solo or not.
@@LDPofclan935
If it doesn't have a drink and a catchy commercial tune, then it's not a perk. Them's my rules.
@@1krani The cry harder loser
In my personal opinion, this is one of the most unique and fun maps and I actually enjoyed it. It isn't without flaws, but the gimmicks and features are interesting and unique. My rating would be 8.5/10.
Also, I sometimes see people make the argument that the map lacks a theme and that it's utter randomness, but that isn't true. It's an extension of Tranzit, It displays the aftermath of the rockets crashing into earth.
As to name one of the flaws, the Easter egg certainly wasn't very grand.
Go back to the teleporter Maxis
@@dr.ludvigmaxis2636 or the setup or elevator or the lack of enemies or the unnecessary parts of the map like the maze. Putting Die rise with a 8.5/10 is honestly an insult to really good maps.
Just a question are maps like mob, cofd, moon, der Eisendrache and any other map above die rise 20/10 or something.
@@ketamineheadyoda2248 you know other people have different opinions right? Die rise was my favorite map in bo2, but that doesn’t mean the other maps werent godlike too
@@conflictional5957 I knew such an answer would come. I like zetsubou, but I know its flaws and strength, but I wouldnt contract it as a 8.5/10 map. Its not. It had too many flaws therefor like die rise. I cant gaslight myself into thinking, that something I like is good. There are people, who like tortured path. Few, but still are. Have your opinion, but be real.
I made the mistake of binge watching all of your videos and now I just can't wait for the next one. I've really enjoyed listening to you cover the gamemode and maps that made my childhood. I never played any map newer than Shadows of Evil, but it'll be nice to hear your thoughts even on the newer maps as you go.
I love finding these small channels that do zombies map analyses. Ive found many like yours and theyre truly hidden gems. Keep it up man!
This has been my favorite map since I was a kid and still is. And it’s exactly for the immersion. No other zombies map tried so hard to be so real. No other zombies map was set in the middle of Hong Kong or a big city let alone on a high rise. That immersion and realism of the map, paired with the fact that The Walking Dead was growing so much at that time. Man. It was all just, so perfect, down to the last…. Minute detail.
I binged this whole series and gasped when I saw your subscribers. These analysis videos are so well made and deserve all the praise in the world. I'm very excited for the next one!
One of my top 5 zombies maps I can’t lie, I loved it.
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@Kashi you fall hard mob goes hard
Man, Die Rise was the only Bo2 map I played for months. Then Buried came out and I didn't try it right away. Die Rise had a great vibe when it comes to post apocalyptic type of vibes
I’m glad I was recommended this video. Currently doing some research on what a good level design is for something I’m making. Keep up the good work!
The siliqiufer is actually my fave wonder weapon in that regard when use a wonder weapon like thunder gun the map and aspect of surviving ends up not being fun anymore always bein on ur toes n adding more fall deaths is actually a really fun gimmick I really wish tranzits jet gun gave u that feel I’m glad u brought that into light I’ve said that for years it usually just gets a lotta slack die rise is actually my fave map
I used the sliquifier to kill my teammates by having them slide off the edges of the map 😈
@@KobianoRoll I did this to randos too many times to count!
I would love to see the Sliquifier return in some way in the future, because MAN I can see it being stupidly fun especially on maps with traps. Imagine a map with a fire trap like in Kino AND the sliquifier ? Just slip the zombies to the fire lmao
Die Rise is my favourite map. Always has been. It was the one me and my friends played the most, and the challenging verticality was so fun to overcome!
good video man, it would have been cool to have a grappling system like in BO4
Woah didn’t expect you to be here
@@Fhajadusisneb like you even know
@@rockharddock1711 lmao what I’ve been apart of the zombies community for 8 years now how could I not know?
Actually, the grapple gun added to Cold War would be pretty neat to use in a Die Rise remake. Even if they wait until CoD 2024 to remake the Victis maps, the grapple would be a good way to add more comfortability to moving around something like Die Rise
i said this from the moment the map dropped, i have always loved die rise and all of the bo2 dlc maps. literally none of them were bad, in fact they were all really good. every person i know or have seen talk about die rise has hated it and i just have gotten so tired of it, i just roll my eyes to myself every time now. finally, someone else who loves the map or at least agrees on the fact that it is good and sees the value in it
I actually think the 3D platforming worked best in this because of how “boots on the ground” bo2 was. Feel like it gave the obstacles more of a challenge
One hundred percent agree! Second favorite map on BO2 following Buried!
@@gamermanzeake no way 💀
@@rebjr6615 Definite way. Hard maps are better maps in my opinion most of the time. Die Rise is the hardest map on BO2. I love how open-ended Die Rise and TranZit are.
@@gamermanzeake frrrr there's not really a tutorial on the movement, or even die rise itself. that's why it felt so rewarding to hit round 100 on that map
@@gamermanzeake i mean, we can both agree tranzit and die rise are among the top 10 worst maps OBJECTIVELY
This skybox, along with the mars one on Tag, are fucking beautiful. I really wish we got more inventive atmosphere changes like that. Seeing chunks of the earth just floating in space was super cool.
please keep doing every map ! I love how you manage to justify map philosophy in an objective way that i never heard/thought of.
it goes way beyond the usual ''i love this- i hate that''
Really took me back with TheRelaxingEnd and NGTZombies clips. Fun fact, NGT came back to youtube recently after a few years and started right back with zombies.
I haven't played zombies in years but you lowkey make me miss all the amazing moments I had with the bros. Thanks for the nostalgia and keep it up
Tbh I wanted to make this video, but got discouraged by other retrospectives. This was actually perfect. Thank you for defending this map in the perfect way
Just finished binging your retrospectives! This series came at the perfect time as I've recently fallen back in love with Zombies. Loving your work man, looking forward to seeing more!
Loved this map, I remember always trying to get high rounds on this map. We were never really good at zombies, but it was always an amazing experience on dierise
I feel the going up adds tension. Going down has options and and a bit of careful to not try to go down too much at a time. Going up involves going to the bottom in a dangerous place to be, you'll have to hold off zombies close quarters and not in good training spots while waiting for the elevator to be ready, even trying to hold one zombie solo you gotta get in before the zombie climbs in or you may have to kill it or run a very small loop risking hits and a down.
Both going up and down aren't done on a whim, you need to be careful and you don't want to be stuck in bad spot while doing so as you risk death. Even the wonder weapon has a risk of poor timing or luck and having you slide off to your death or slide into the zombies thanks to reduced traction.
I do love this video and agree, I just think going up feels intentionally like it's there to cause a tension moment, especially if it's mid-round
This was one of my favorite solo maps in black ops 2. The free perk drop made it so fun
I have a lot of nostalgia for this map, first and only DLC I bought lol
Edit: 4:35 what a sick transition
I was looking for someone else who noticed 😂 it was clean asf
Holy shit, this is the best review and break down of Die Rise I have ever seen. Far too long people on CZcams and Reddit talk so much shit towards this map and ignoring the whole idea behind it.
Very well done, good job! Thanks for taking a fair go at this map
Really hoping your channel takes off king. Really liking these retrospective lookbacks/reviews. Keep it up
Honestly I am glad to be subbed to you this early on man, you're putting out well educated Zombies content that takes a lot of time research and effort. Best of luck to you!
So glad you popped up in my recommended, watched all your videos and they're honestly such great content, looking forward to the rest of the series and whatever else you do! Subbed!
What a channel this is! You've got me hooked listening to your thoughts and opinions on the different maps. Keep up the great work :)
Instant sub. Hard to find new zombies content, especially with this much love and thoughtful insight
Your video was recommended and I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to the next one 😁
I'm so hyped for the mob video. I love your content and I've been binging your entire map retrospective series. Keep making these great videos.
I am glad this video is performing so well, I have seen so many of these videos from you and the LACK of views they get is honestly insulting
I just binged this entire series in a day. Thank you so much sir for putting into words what makes zombies so special!!
Great video can't wait to see more of these
i found your channel and binge watched all the videos. im so excited for the rest of the maps. it’s good to see you getting more views and subs. i miss the golden age of zombies when i was a young teen and your videos brought back that nostalgia. keep up the amazing content man.
I just played Die Rise for the first time in YEARS. Probably since 2013/2014. I downloaded a bunch of last gen CoDs on my Series S for nostalgia, replaying all the older CoD games that I used to play on my PS3 back from elementary all the way to my freshman year of High School. Recently I’ve been wanting to play every Zombies map (Both Treyarch and non-Treyarch) since I’m older and can now afford all the games/DLCs. And it has been so much fun, replaying maps I used to play when I was younger and a noob, and also experiencing new Zombies, like IW and AW. I haven’t touch BO2 zombies since at least 2015/2016 (because I absolutely love BO3) and when replaying Die Rise, Buried, and Mob, I surprisingly remember so much about the maps. I remember all the buildables, where the Teddy Bears are for the songs, and even some of the quotes the characters say. I would say the quotes along with the game and be like “Holy shit, I can’t believe I remember that.” Zombies has been a huge part of my childhood and these map analysis videos are part of the reason I wanted to go back and play all those maps. I’ve beaten every BO3 Easter Egg, and half of the BO4 Easter Eggs (I do NOT look forward to Blood or Voyage.) I’m really glad I decided to go back and sort of relive a part of my childhood. Thank you man, keep up the great videos.
Haven't even watched the video yet but love that you made a CZcams channel just going in on zombies
This guys understanding of the zombies dev mindset is unmatched!
I found this video and immediately started watching all of your other content, I love the video essay format, and I think you do an amazing job explaining ever aspect of maps. Would love to see your take on origins
11:55 also something interesting I noticed, I think they either coded it incorrectly, or too specifically as if you get more than 100% accuracy, you actually miss out on the free perk as well. But not if u don’t shoot at all.
(When I tested it, I was using mustang and sally, and it would give me the perk bottle ONLY if I shot each one individually. If I got any double kills or hit markers with one shot I’d lose the 100% accuracy
Hmm...
Maybe the devs coded it so that each time a bullet hits, it counts towards the accuracy goal, and if something killed the crawlers, it also counts as a confirmed hit...but they didn't include explosive hit markers? That's my guess, anyways. Seems to fit reasonably well.
Not sure why double kills wouldn't count, however.
@@DrMonty-ng5fo yeah idk tbh but ur dr Monty you should know these things smh.
I assume the accuracy essentially was coded to make 0 bullets = 100% accuracy, but if you get over 100% accuracy, it isn’t 100%. Therefore no perk drop
It seems that the algorithm has blessed your channel, and it's well deserved! Can't wait for more videos
i like how unbiased your retrospective videos are compared to the larger yts, and how they're actually good here. good luck!
Watched the entire video essays and i gotta say they're all so good you should be proud of yourself and the content you produce is amazing
I know I am late to the video, but I recently just got this in my recommendation! And I subscribed to your channel. I like your quality of somewhat “retrospecting” these maps. It’s great and I think your channel is refreshing for me; giving me motivation to play zombies again after being burnt out of the mode for awhile.
Honestly the best compliment I could hear; I love this mode and it’s sad how so many people are in the same place of feeling burnt out on it! Try some of your favourite maps again and see how you feel going back, every single map has something to love in my opinion
@@whitecliffgames yeah, I agree! Some of my favourite all time maps are Mob of the Dead, Moon, Origins, etc. I played them on launch date back in the day and they hold so much nostalgia.
Awesome video. Not many zombies CZcamsrs know how to put these game mechanics into words but you’ve done something cool here.
this vid is MAD underrated. one of the best i've seen focusing on a single zombies map, and it honestly made me reconsider how i feel about die rise. good shit.
this series is dope, hope all the other vids can get the same recognition and you can continue this series!
Damn this video is great!! Good job dude. Keep it up
Loving this series
Can't wait for the rest
Very well made video man, still not a fan of the map but this was definitely a great way to look at it
I only needed to watch a few videos before I knew this channel was gonna go far. Wonderful analysis, Cliff. Take my sub.
great video, really nice to see a more positive perspective on this map. it absolutely had its flaws but once you really learn how to play it i actually enjoy it. after you can get past the learning curve i think it’s a good time
I'm marathoning these videos and this is the best zombies retrospective I've ever seen thank you for your work
This video popped up in my recommended and I enjoyed it so I've been watching the others amd have been enjoying them. Would love to see you do a video on Buried, my favorite map!
Here before you blow up in subscribers. Quality content that pulls on the nostalgia strings many of us had playing these iconic maps. Good stuff👍👍.
I really like these kinds of videos. Die rise is fun and unfun at the same time. People hated it cause they didn't understand how to play it or not fall off the map. Honestly a good video, keep it up.
Besides the original Origins, die rise is my favorite map. It did lack alot of rewarding side objectives but the map layout combined with the tramplesteam was so fun, so many different applications and shortcuts to keep in mind when needing to rescue a teammate and the bonus sniper points perma perk just shined with this map. Also you can sliquify the edge of a drop just as a teammate is about to jump across instant death. Good times good times.
That Who's Who clip around 10:00 had my heart in my mouth
great video! im starting to binge on your vids, and holy, you've got some amazing content! Keep up the good work.
CZcams recommending a good small channel for once is a blessing. Origins is my favourite map in Zombies so I'm incredibly keen to see your video on it, subbed just in anticipation for that honestly! Hopefully you enjoy making it since it'll certainly be longer than the rest :D
This map was great to me as a kid because I just really liked how different and open it seemed compared to town or something like that
As someone who got way too good at zombies back in the day and a good amount of the maps became way too easy it was nice to have a map like this to go back to when you wanted an actual challenge, cause even the best zombie players struggled with this map on its release!!!
This map was literally the funniest on public lobbies
One of my favorite maps to play, especially solo
Doh! I've just binge-watched the whole series up until now, don't see another yet, and I feel like I'm going through withdrawal. I guess I'll go play some of these maps while I wait for more. Can't wait to see the next few specifically. :)
Dude you are blowing up thanks to the algorithm, just watched all the previous retrospectives after Die Rise. Last night you were like 1000 subs and now your nearly 2k.
Another great video, Looking forward to more
I hope you keep growing these videos are a must for any zombies fan ❤ Instant sub
Congrats on 1k subs! I think you had like 700 when i subbed a few days ago so it's dope to see you're getting the recognition you deserve for your great content.
This is a great high-quality video, and I suspect your channel will grow with this type of content.
This map will also be a guilty pleasure of mine, I will be the first to acknowledge the flawed design of Die Rise but man do I love revisiting it from time to time.
It’s criminal that you have so few subs. Love the videos they’re pretty entertaining. But just remember to do whatever you want to do and make whatever you want to make. Your happiness is what’s most important
Thanks for making this video, Die Rise was my favourite map.
To me, the problem about Die Rise is the way to move around the map.
Ya gotta be patient with those elevators, otherwise you miss your ride, you gotta wait again for it to go up, then come down.
(Unless you have a key, but who even holds onto those.)
Just binged aw your videos lad 👏🏼good shiii
You make crazy good videos man! I was shocked to scroll down and see only 250 subs. These are super high quality and very in depth. Keep it up dude! Also maybe a buried video coming soon? It's one of my favorite maps.
Editing Mob of the Dead now and then Buried is next, soon hopefully! 👀 Hope I do it justice!
Amazing video mate!
73k views but only 3k subscribers. I know you probably hear it enough but you deserve more dude. The quality of your videos is amazing to the point where this Playlist is starting to feel like an analysis of the entire zombies experience/evolution, keep doing what you do best and have patience, you'll blow up eventually
Very grateful for the algorithm recommending me your channel. Great video, keen to see what’s next up.
When we get to Buried, I hope you mention that bullshit Juggernog hallway that you could camp in for basically infinite rounds 😁
Awesome video and details
Wow, someone actually put a well articulated video of die rise going through its strengths and weaknesses. Praising what it did well on and criticizing what it did bad in, that's rare. Ive always wanted to try this map cause I've always liked city buildings/towers in gaming when implemented well (ie sorry to use this game as an example cause its been done to death but dark souls 2 had a dlc called the iron crown dlc where you went to an area back in time where you traversed 3 seperate towers. One big one for the main story of the dlc and two smaller ones to get specific things done/items that you can get if you wanted them) that dlc's verticality was really well done, starting from the top, and working your way down. I quit playing blops2 cause of transit and some of the design choices of that map and zombies as a whole (like how transit is in general and basically cut, copy, and paste the base survival maps were) that and I wasn't too much of a fan of the victus crew. I just might have to give die rise a try then if blops 2 comes out on gamepass.
great video man!
die rise is like the black ops 1 shang when it came out it was shit but has aged amazing and die rise is one of my top tier maps as it wasn't room to room it was up and down a new take on zombies all together
Man me and my mates played this map hundreds of times and loved it. One of my favorites.
Your stuff popped up in my recommended today and I’ve jus watched every video, keep it up dawg and maybe you can do a full long ass lore video sometime 🤘🏻 good shit
Loved the commentary keep it up man👍
I luv how the communities least favorite (my favorite) map is your most watched video. Get this guys other videos more views!
had so much fun paying this map when it came out when I was in middle school! wow how time flies!
definitely my favourite map and gives me the most nostalgia
These videos are awesome! Sub earned!
I found someone willing to talk the good and the bad of my favorite map?! I'm shook to my core. Also in the first destroyed upside down area you could use the steam to hop to the other side under the rooftops. Really if you were patient there was only two mandatory doors for traversal of the whole map (well three if you wanted the corner perk that wasn't in the downstairs area) and I think giving a key gives a lot more for the feeling of agency than it otherwise would have had.
Very good quality video, you deserve way more views.
Glad i found this channel its a hidden gem for aure
I was always aware of the secret PhD flopper but never realized it's the developers teasing us for how OP it would be. Looking back I can't believe I never noticed that direct connection haha
Great content bro keep up the grind !!!!!
Both this map and Shangri la had the same background sounds/music if you listen careful with out zombies gives me vibes I love it!