Why Ukraine Special Ops Use This Bullpup. The Malyuk.
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- čas přidán 12. 10. 2022
- Imagine if you could make your weapon half the size while doubling its max effective range. This is the promise of a bullpup rifle design. The Malyuk’s development story perfectly tracks the history of Ukraines small arms industry and how it turned itself around from a state of disrepair after the fall of the soviet union. The creators even say that its recoil is reduced by 50% compared to the AK. This rifle is used by Ukraines most elite special forces as well as its most controversial Azov Battalion. In fact it’s so synonymous with being idenginous to Ukraine that early in the war we saw Russian double agents were captured carrying the Malyuk rifles. They were trying to be disguised to look like Ukrainian Special operators.
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So are the claims about this mysterious weapon accurate? What’s the best way to use the Malyuk bullpup in combat? And why did the Ukrainian military industrial complex originally create it?
The origin of the system comes from a Ukrainian program in the mid 1990s. Mega Projects . net George Colclough wrote a great article outlining the lackluster condition that Ukraines small arms manufacturing was in following the collapse of the soviet union. You see Ukraine was responsible for 30% of all defense production and 40% of all research and development for the Soviet Union but it was mostly focused on building intercontinental ballistic missiles , tanks and aircraft carriers not small arms. Russia had the large Tula arms plant famous for creating millions of rifles and ammo each year.
The newly independent Ukraine in the early 1990’s had inherited bits and pieces of a small arms industry. They only had small fragments of a complete manufacturing apparatus. Ukraine would now have to successfully coordinate between the 15 different federalized republics where the now privatized small arms plants were located. George Colcough outlines how in 1996 many of these privatized weapons companies were brought under state control when they formed the Ukrspetsexport which was a major part of Ukraines military industrial complex. In the early 2000’s Ukraine turned to this conglomerate for an answer to modernizing their old soviet AK stockpile. The Malyuk is one of those attempts.
The first major Ukranian small arms program was called “vepr. A few prototypes were built from existing soviet era rifles like the RPK, the AKM, AK-74, and even the SKS. The Ukrainian government wanted to refresh their line of left-over soviet AK rifles that were in their inventory using old parts combined with new popular looks like polymer cased rifles.
This obscure 2015 article of Ukrainian defense review has an interview with the vice CEO Serhiy Luhovskoy, who is responsible for creating the rifle. In it he claims the Malyuk has its recoil reduced by 50% compared to the AK, a claim we will further investigate in just a minute.
Serhiy goes on to explain that the Malyuk was originally created as a private venture when the Ukrainian Secret Service SBU requested it.
Malyuk is a Russian & Ukrainian word which directly translates to “ baby boy” which was coincidentally also my squad's nickname for me in Iraq. It was only meant to be a temporary name for the prototype but the name ended up sticking. But You’ll often see the weapon called the Vulcan.
It’s designed and marketed by a private Ukrainian company called IPI. (InterProInvest) located in Kyiv. They’ve been around since 1998 and they’ve grown into somewhat of a big player in the Ukrainian military industrial complex. Interprovest creates not just small arms but fire control systems for tanks and radar systems detect the location of enemy drones.
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Thanks for watching spare parts army, do you think the Malyuk actually reduces recoil 50%?!
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Hey Cappy!!! You should check out the Keltec™ RDB-s; It's a bullpup 5.56 rifle with a 4.5lb trigger. 🤙
So, they produce their own weapons too ??? what are they begging for weapons for ??? they should just produce alot more !!! They are the second biggest country in Europe, before Russia took its cut last month ofcourse
Its a simply AK with bull pup furniture, if you need a bolt, barrel, receiber, piston....... You will need AK parts.
there is nothing controversial in Azov battalions.
do NOT recall russian propaganda!
Malyuk is exclusively a Ukrainian word, there is no such word in Russian. A baby boy in Russia is Malush, which is different!
Is there a english word that means something similar to Malyuk?
@@Allenfreedom1776 yup... DEEEZZZ NUUUTTZZZZ!!!!!!!
@@Allenfreedom1776 little guy
I came to comments just to mention the same. 👍
@@rezdog187 nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Malyuk is Ukrainian word only, there is no such word in russian language.
Malyuk was also presented on civil market (before war) in semi-automatic version and was quite expensive.
So thats why they named it this way. Makes much more sense than anything else lol. No sarcasm
@@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU that's true. Ukranian army prefer to use different names that can't be met in russian.
The point is that anybody won't mix from what country tech is came from
@@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU actually, in russian lang. it's "Malysh" and in both languages it means baby.
@@blaxzy6184 in English we have "baby boy" it's the same as "Malysh" in russian.)))
@@blaxzy6184 what OP meant is that while the meaning exists in different languages, the word itself is not the same in russian and Ukrainian. OP probably made this distinction because there are words that are the same in both languages. Malyuk is not the same word as Malysh.
I used Vulkan-M in battles. There are two versions - under 5.45 and 7.62. Version 7.62 was released more actively. The machine is equipped with a Swedish Aimpoint, a good silencer and a vertical handle. Uses normal magazines from AK, so there are always a lot of magazines. Version 5.56 does not exist, as some people think.
Як він в цілому? Працює добре?
@@user-nk8kb9pm4k так. В порівнянні з АК велика перевага в тому, що є відразу штатний топовий коліматор і заводський глушник.
@@user-nk8kb9pm4k Він хуяче як бластер
I'm from Ukraine and shot few mags from Malyuk. And here's what I can say:
1. Yes. it's definatly way better balanced. Due to this (or maybe other reasons too) it's more accurate
2. It's so much lighter than AK. Well some might think this is not important but belive mw it does whe we talking about couple days operating)
3. Don't realy like mag changing system and operation, buuuut maybe it's becose it was new to me and need practice...
and final
4. Don't belive serbians. NEVER! Thay like russians. Always lying) So no surprise for me why serbians talk about that we sold weapons)) It's because russin propaganda say so))
The most probably reason how maluyk can be in russian DRG is that we have 8 years war at donbas and have some lost during this time in combats.
It's like saying that talibans only now have M4. No, they have them before
Думаю, що вони їх захопили на півдні України. Дуже просто вони туди зайшли. Десь на складах покинутих вч цілком могли бути і Малюки.
A serbian, fighting for russia would must to comply with a line of desinformatiuon. Its a part of propaganda that goes along with destroing more HIMARS than ever existed in Ukraine.
Most likely weapons would be trofied.
@@user-lx6me1gf9r Власне, або навіть тамтешнє зрадницьке СБУ самі їх віддали.
Serbians and Russians leave a lot in common lol and should be handled equally.
What about the hearing protection did you have silencer or earplugs ?
The reason the Malyuk is probably better in the end is because the quality control was much higher than the AK-12 project which saw several delays, corruption investigations, and eventually toned down many of the promised features in favor of just getting something new out the door. If the AK-12 base can be improved upon I think it might match the Malyuk but as it stands the AK-12 is just more general purpose than oddly the rifle it was meant to replace, the Alpha AK, which is more of a competitor to the Malyuk.
The AK-12 program needs to be abandoned and then Russia should make a whole new rifle design.
@@Allenfreedom1776 or go back series 100
@@Allenfreedom1776 but the AK platform is so reliable
@@AdoroBiscoff They could do that unless they want to keep up with America/Nato & China
@@Allenfreedom1776 ask stuff from zenitco
I like the fact that Cappy says in a battle rifle "trigger feel" isnt the big deal so many people make it out to be. They are not doing the olympics....
Maneuverability, weight and hitting power are what count on a battle rifle (and of course durability / reliability)
Most people who I see crying about trigger feel are gun enthusiasts/collectors. Look at gaming. Most gamers don't need a high speed computer or a $200 elite controller. A standard controller and console will be just fine for the majority of people.
Although you are correct maneuverability, weight, and durability/reliability are important a good trigger can make all the difference if you're trying to make a shot on an enemy several hundred meters away. You would want a trigger pull that breaks smoothly and lightly. This allows for quick follow-up shots in semi-auto, which is important for longer engagements.
Also there is no such thing as "hitting power." There is energy on target & bullet penetration but that has less to do with the whole rifle and more to do with barrel length and caliber.
@@TheDisgruntledImperial They're completely different. A good trigger can make a big difference unlike a $50 mouse vs a $200 mouse.
@@Allenfreedom1776 most people being issued rifles aren't marksmen anyway. It's about volume of fire and violence of action. OP is right, most infantry aren't Olympic shooters.
@@TheDisgruntledImperial Volume of fire does work in a war like the one in Ukraine, (at the moment) but this weapons isn't meant for the average soldier, it is meant for Ukrainian Special Forces, who most certainly need to take accurate shots and several hundred yards.
Always great to hear your take on why things are the way they are. Even if it is only based upon visual observations vs hands on trials testing. I would love to try one of these out for myself to see what exactly it actually feels like to fire and handle in the field. Again, thank you for you everyday man’s point of view and analysis on this subject. I appreciate your efforts and commitment to the subject.
"Convection" doesn't imply liquid at all, it just means that a hot substance is allowed to move upwards. In this case, the handguard is vented, which will help keep the barrel and gas system cooler, but I agree that it seems unlikely to have any effect on keeping hot gasses out of the shooter's face.
I saw Vulkan-M's, which is the real name for Malyuk, during the first days of the war. Talked to the person who used it. The thing is some of them were dropped to the regular infantry in a slightly random manner. And there also were troubles with lack of mags for 5.56 variant in the first days. Despite this, soldiers adore Malyuk for its great balance and other features making it a great choice for urban combat.
When I started doing research on the thing early in the conflict, I was very impressed with some of the design choices. That magazine retention is brilliant, allowing straight insertion or even a reverse rocking motion. They had lots of room for optics and attachments, something uncommon in this conflict, they were simpler than they look, and they just seem to work well. I would love to own one here in the states if that ever becomes an option. The location of the mag release is sketchy, but I would still take that over the paddle.
Are you safe right now? You were evidently near the conflict.
@@ruthlessrubberducky5729 I'm in active service since spring, currently transferring from the rear Ukrainian National Guard brigade to the frontline UAF assault unit. I'm fine tho, keepin' my head cool and low.
@@Zlyden-fg9bj I hope this war ends soon and in the best possible way. Stay safe and live a long life.
@@ruthlessrubberducky5729 Thank you sir, wishin' good luck to you.
@@Zlyden-fg9bj I wish you and your comrades luck in defeating the neo Bolsheviks. May the Black Sun shine over all of Ukraine
Speaking of convection cooling, you can also have convection cooling with airflow. Convection ovens work by moving the air inside a closed system to more evenly distribute heat. If there is airflow around the barrel, technically you can have a convection heat transfer occurring (natural convection vs forced convection which would use a fan, pump, etc.), which helps cool the barrel. Simply put, "air cooled" is "convection cooling".
Yep. Convection Heat Transfer describes how most fluids and gases (which are also a type of fluid) move heat setting a system.
There will be hot air blasting out those holes while pulling cold air in probably through somewhere underneath.
And I bet building a good trigger isn't that difficult. Just needs something better than "an rod".
A proper linkage to transfer forces, or maybe all the trigger *feel* bits are up front and just a link to a hammer at the back.
Doesn't sound difficult.
Like the Lewis gun?
@@JamesNeave1978 I don't know, the triggers on the AK-103s and the civilian versions, are pretty reasonable.
@@Seth9809 It's not a bullpup so the trigger system can be a lot simpler thus resulting in better trigger feel. Bullpups need extra doodads because of the way they are.
@@dspserpico Just like a Lewis gun, yes. Moreover, those slots on the upper assembly body may very well allow for air to flow more strongly around the barrek, as heat from near the chamber will expand the surrounding air making it flow outwards. This will, in turn, reduce pressure in the slot vicinity and, theoretically pull coller air from the outside. This might explain the claim of less hot gases getting blown on the shooters face, as plenty of heat will be expeled from the front of the upper frame.
Can't be sure it actually works when the slots are so big.
By convection system, they mean that weapon has port for air entry at the bottom of handle. Air is being sucked from this port by convection, because hot air leaves weapon housing through vents at the barrel guard and must be replaced by cold air sucked from handle.
Long time listener, first time caller. Your Channel is one I always look forward to watching especially new episodes, your breakdowns and reviews, I find, are balanced and on point. That being said I would love to see a comparison with the AK 12.
Another way the Russian soldiers could’ve possibly obtained that rifle is. Before Russia invade the Ukraine the Russian intelligence Agency was in Ukraine gathering intelligence and also bribing Ukrainian officials . Supposedly when the Russians first invaded into the Ukraine several areas where they crossed was supposed to be minefields, but several of these minefields had mysteriously disappeared. They could’ve obtain some weapons and equipment through some back room deals.
Russian soldiers don’t need a rifle from a losing country.
Your logic is st00pid.
Russia can just pick up these garbage rifles from the dead.
Nobody cares about this rifle except clowns.
AK 47 and variants are more reliable
The Russians could also have gotten some mayluks, from captured Azov soldiers in Mariupol.
@@verozety4040 The event spoken of happened before Mariupol.
@@verozety4040 in video he says Russians had Malyuks when they got captured in Odessa (first days of war), which was weeks or months before they got to Mariupol.
That's how Kherson fell, by treason.
Did you notice the cats inspecting the tank turret at about 4:45 in your video? That is so characteristically Ukrainian. Every day is bring your pet to work day. The videos of soldiers with their pet dogs and cats really gives me a chuckle. Now I know that cats are involved in the weapons manufacture as well!
Anti-rodent precautions taken.
That’s the feline labor force that allows them to keep costs down by paying their wages in Catnip ;-)
Many domestic animals are abandoned in the frontline areas. And they cling to the soldiers in search of food... ;(
@@uostap1 Yes, I have seen that in a number of the videos. These cats seem a good bit happier, and in such humorous, typical cat behavior of exploring some unexplored place. It does sadden me to see the abandoned animals. I do prefer cats to dogs, but dogs look so much more starved of affection. Both the rescued dogs and the rescued cats clearly appreciate the human companionship they had lost and now regained.
@@uostap1 They have plenty of food in the form or Ex Russian conscripts. They cling to the Ukrainian soldiers because they don't try to turn them into rations.
Convection requires a fluid and not a liquid, air is a fluid. Think of your radiators in your house, traditional water fed ones transfer the majority of heat to the air via convection. The heated air the circulates around the room due to convection currents forming.
The SA80 has multiple hole in the body of the rifle and the fore grip to allow air circulation and convection cooling of the barrel and working parts. There are plenty of rifles that use this, they're also pretty common on SMG's due to the majority of the barrel being enclosed within the weapon body.
If the Malyuk is more effective at cooling the barrel then it will extend barrel life, as the hotter a barrel gets the softer the steel gets and so it wears quicker. This is the reason why we do barrel changes on machine guns, the amount of rounds being out down range are to great for the barrel to stay cool. If you don't change the GPMG barrel and out enough rounds through it, it will literally start glowing and get hot enough to light a cigarette on it. It's also advisable to rob another units barrels if you plan to do this as they will be useless afterwards.
I always thought magazine changes in bullpup would be awkward. Also, I like Keltec's solutions to bullpup ejecting either downward, or out the front of the weapon.
13:36 just throwing this out there. Air is considered a fluid. Not a liquid, but a fluid. And, convection works with air. You may be familiar with a convection oven. No, you don’t fill the oven with a liquid. The air in the oven acts as a fluid.
I’m assuming this just means that air carries heat away from the internals. That air warms. The warm air rises. Colder air replaces the hotter, rising air. The colder air is now close to hot metal parts and the process repeats.
also, in poorly insulated walls, air near the inside will be heated and rise, will air near outside will be cooled and fall down, and together they form a turning wheel of sorts that move heat out of the house pretty fast. But good isolation will break up the this big loop into many smaller loops and thus insulate the house. Kinda makes me think of eddy currents ...
I'm from Ukraine and Maluyk means either a small kid or a small guy or something like that along the lines, It can be used in many variations
Malyuk is defintion of russians breakfast
I like the bullpup design, I used a bullpup in the army SA80. Despite all the gripes from soldiers it's quite accurate and low recoil made it fun to use, I do wish the trigger was lighter but that's just personal preference. I like a rifle that has a big punch high accurate and a light trigger to allow me to fire rapidly without having to select full auto.
Incredibly informative video, good job T&P!
I love the underdog military stuff. Trainer aircraft turned into fighters, remade WW2 era ships, and Eastern European post Cold War firearms.
Tbf this is how we get Americans worshipping Cuba
Don't forget some of what Ukraine has been doing, things like using consumer drones for recon and even as mini bombers for dropping grenades into enemy positions
@@Otterdisappointment I think it has more to do with the whole communism thing
@@TomorrowWeLive Commieboos tend to be drawn to “retro” facades of socialist states shown to them
Also, 15 year old British Fascist wannabe detected. Opinion discarded.
@@mrvwbug4423 any military force can do that when they’re forced to improvise in a time of total war. Most do. You only hear about it from poor countries that have a niche specialization in training to use sticks and make shit up as you go. The modern industrial military isn’t SOL in that situation it’s actually better.
Malyuk is produced in 3 calibers: 5.45х39, 7.62х39, 5.56.х45. And yes, you can buy it for 3000+$ in Ukraine. A havent seen 5.45х39 and 5.56.х45 in stock but 7.62х39 is available for sale even now.
I`m not an expert in guns, but as far as i have read the articles about Malyuk - all say that 7.62 is very different from 5.45 and 5.56. But all say they all are different from their AK versions in a very good way. It seems somebody finally cured lots of AK problems while converting it in a bullpup configuration. If you always hated AK, maybe this one you will finally like) And come on guys... Does not it look futuristic and cool?) And it`s Ukrainian)))
Come on bro)) nobody knows story of making this bshit. Ukraine probably had no experience on building bullpups, so they bought west technologies bruh. It is obvious, that this thing is american
Convection works for air too. I'm sure this air way in the grip helps with cooling. Good idea.
Should be mentioned, the mag is inserted in reverse, normally its nose in, rock back, and here its the back goes in first and you rock the mag forward. That way they can have this super curved 7,62 mag almost touching the grip and not have any problems.
Good Video, I have been waiting for info on this weapon from T&P.
It's not only UA SF that get issued the Malyuk, although it is intended for there SF it has found its way into many units/individuals hands.
I think it's the SOF and National Guard that use them.
@@yanzavhorodniy1231 Nope, although they both use em, I've seen coverage of units from the volunteer battalions get given malyuks and loads of RPG's when they are classified as 'light' units. So it shows they have alot more then what is stated.
@@yanzavhorodniy1231 apparently the marines do too, I've seen a cpl video with a few of them carrying it.
@@fivesormeem3219 Well what are light units supposed to have if not small arms and RPGs? Also a lot of volunteer battalions have been absorbed into other structures like the National Guard so they'd get access to that equipment.
*Their
4:12 "Malyuk" - Just Ukrainian word. Russian translation "Malysh".
Hi Cappy, many years ago, I saw an AK demonstration, where the weapon was set to automatic and the magazines were changed as quickly as possible. (the AK was mounted in a jig) and after about 200 rounds the wooden furniture was smoking, and quickly burst into flames thereafter. Not a meaningful test, but it demonstrated a principle.
Great analysis! You earned my subscription a long time ago! 😎💜
The term convection, although usually used in context of liquids is not limited to context of liquids, and can be applied to gasses or even solids as well.
@T.J. Kong , yes, I think you think of granular convection. Although I think the engineers of this rifle tried to describe convective heat transfer in a layman's way of explaining.
Not looking at what the profile at those spots looks like you can say convectively cooled and just be talking about ribs/fluting or in a really cop out way, just metal exposed to air that has a space for the air to vent
All gasses are liquids after all.
And air is still called a fluid
Air is a gas, gasses and liquids are fluid. Gasses are not liquid.
Another reason there could be reduced recoil is that the traditional AK has a stock that is lower than the bore axis, while the Malyuk appears to be much more in-line.
yeah, I think they're really talking mostly about muzzle climb, which does look quite reduced on the malyuk.
@@Ass_of_Amalek I agree, a strong SF dude doesn't care about recoil from the tiny bullets these rifles spit out, it's muzzle climb that ultimately matters. MP5s don't knock over anyone due to recoil but the muzzle climb is atrocious so there are many competitors!
Doesn't the AK-74M have a straight enough stuck and a good muzzlebreak?
@@Seth9809 Take this for granted, because I haven't shot one ever, but the top of the stock is barely inline with the barrel. However, it is below the part of the gas system that is sending mass backwards.
That is reducing muzzle rise and increasing felt recoil. Weight and brakes are the only way to reduce recoil.
4:13 - correction. There is no "malyuk" word in the Russian language. It's only presented in Ukrainian. In Russian it's "malysh".
Cappy I've enjoyed watching your editing get progressively shoddy keep it up mate :]
My god, they issue it to SSO and some other special forces units because they need ak-like platform that holds zero and has ability to be modded with attachments.That's only option they have that could be issued on relatively big scale.
Special forces of secrete servise(Alpha SBU) prefer SIG MPX, btw.
Oh, and those russian soldiers with malyuks got them from national guard bases during initial gains, in addition they captured quite few FORT-221(Ukrainian localised TAVOR) rifles.
Considering the multiple problems with the AK-12, my bet would probably be on the Malyuk being the better of the two options. Also if you do plan on making a comparison video you guys should really hit up Brandon Herrera, given that he is likely one of the few people with a AK-12 on hand in the US, not to mention his wealth of knowledge of the AK platform in general and would likely be able to give greater or at least more accurate insights into the functionality of the Malyuk.
Isn’t his a clone ?
Why do you compare a rifle used by ordinary soldiers to a rifles used by special forces ? Why dont we compare it to the aek-971 or the most modern russian rifles their special forces use
@@MrTangolizard Depends how you define clone I suppose, I do recall him saying it was a kit build midway into his video covering it. Regardless if it is or isn't tho it would still be one of closest comparisons readily accessible in the States.
@@HypnoticChronic1 clone would be a copy of a weapon people always argue that a Russian built (whatever) is better than the copy of (whatever) I mean I’m not sure about that but it definitely counts when we are talking about cars the Chinese copy’s of western cars are definitely not as good as the originals lol but a AK12 I can’t really see how it could be very different to the Russian one
@@Silver_Prussian Well for starters Chris asked if we would like to see a comparison between the two and I was responding to that inquiry. Furthermore just because a rifle is currently being employed by SOF elements doesn't preclude it from standard issue, the HK416 is a good modern example of this when it was previous only used by SOF personnel up until force wide adoption by Norway (2008), France (2017), USMC (2017) respectively so your objection to that is a moot point. And to my knowledge the AEK-971 had a very small production batch and didn't see wide implementation even among Russian SOF elements, moreover I've heard that the KORD 6P67 a successor variant is meant to replace it however, it also suffers from very low production and distribution quantity so accurate data and moreover accurate combat data is sketchy or nonexistent at best.
Alright! Thanks for doing my request (although, I’m sure it wasn’t my request that spawned this).
I’d love to see the Italian MBR: The Beretta ARX-160 which looks like some crazy Space Marines firearm. Thanks for all of the great content and keeping it light!
Well, you've answered my question Cappy! As a left-handed shooter I was interested in finding out if there was a conversion kit.. Because none of the soldiers shown were carrying a left-handed version of the Malyuk.. Thanks Cappy!
Версія "Вулкан 7.62" не можливо, але в комплекті з ним видають гільзе відштовхувач, плюс можна пепреставити ручку заряджання
4:47, the hardest workers in the shop.
I very much look forward to Gun Jesus’s video on the rifle once the conflict is over tbh.
And would certainly be great to see a side by side comparison of it compared to the AK12
I had to look to see if he'd done one already, but I was thinking about the VHS-2. I suppose if France had done an evaluation of it he'd have had his hands on one years ago.
@@theritchie2173 if look at this rifle and the famas feline very similar
"Hickok45 here......look what I have! This is the Ukrainian....Malyuk.....that's right"
Yeah, _and_ it's a bullpup - I'd bet Ian is _dying_ to get a hold of one!
I like these kinds of videos. Nice job. Thanks for the video.
A similar thing was attempted in South Africa, a bullpup conversion kit to revitalize our old Galils. But it wasn't particularly refined, and the army rejected it.
Idea for future post: Pros and cons for bulpup versus standard configuration of rifle... First bulpups were introduced decades ago and did not push older configuration from new designs.
I second this idea
Thirded. But only if you talk about how the L85a3 is finally good.
@@cubeflinger how about also the history of the bullpup design as well?
Guys you could just go watch forgotten weapons for that 😂
@@murphy7801 Well yeah, but we could also just read Janes too, but ya know - we like watching cappy.
Instead of comparing the Malyuk to the AK-47, I think it would be much more interesting to compare the Malyuk to another quality bullpup design based on the AK-47 long-stoke piston system, the Tavor X95 (5.56mm) or Tavor 7 (7.62x51mm). The Tavor X95 was adopted in November 2009 by the IDF as their standard infantry weapon with the addition of an integrated grenade launcher. Two bullpup rifles have been frequently seen during the war in Ukraine. The Malyuk and the Fort-22 Tavors. The Fort-22 series Tavors originate from Israel’s IWI. RPC Fort was established in 1991 and in 1998 it became a state enterprise located in Vinnytsia, western Ukraine.
your important point that Malyuk is not one of the Fort / Tavors
The Malyuk is not based on the AK, it is a repurposed AK receiver in a chassis.
@@DickCheneyXX It certainly is based on the AK. At the heart of the Malyuk is an AKM or AK-74 receiver, with their original barrel, bolt group, and trigger group. The trigger is linked to the trigger group by a link. Since the Malyuk uses the AK receiver along with the original barrel, bolt group, and trigger group, it is much more than "a repurposed AK receiver", It is a rifle based on the AK. The Malyuk is essentially a bullpup AK with a polymer encasing.
@@red94mr28 It is a AK in a chassis, I know exactly what it looks in the inside. You can find disassembly videos on youtube.
@@DickCheneyXX it uses a AK receiver, barrel, fire control, and gas system. It is 70 percent Ak74 in a new polymer body.
Azov arguably made the most impact of any unit in current conflict. They are praised as living legends
I am a major fan of the bullpup. Especially Desert Tech because of the trigger system and light weight crisp release.
4:12 no, russian language doesn't have malyk word, it has malish.
The malyuk looks like a hybrid AK/British sa80 to me. All business up front and the party magazine in the back. The magazine release catch seems alien to folks on an sa80 as it back next to the magazine. You get well used to it. It does seem a wild idea having it up next time the trigger but again I'm sure you get used ti that as you get plenty of practise. I also thought SF guys generally like to grab hold of the furniture of the rifle as far forward as they can with 1 hand to provide more stability when shooting for grouping. Turns out im told this is a more effective grip than the tommy gun style forward pistol grip. 40 thousand bucks a pair for night vision. We all know who owns the night people!!
_"All business up front and the party magazine in the back."_
Best firearm description I've ever heard!
Me too I love the magazine release I've shot it alot let's say.. It just goes to show that differences do make a difference and it really helps to have confidence in your drills. So your accuracy improve your accuracy. It's one of those where if your not used to it your thinking what the heck is going on here.
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Great Video!👍
As I see they builded the gun backwards, all mechanics assembly replace the old wood gunstock.
Traditionaly eastern fight style is close range engagement,so it make sense.
Nice ,creative aproach.Respect!
Tuning the gas system in 5.45 aks is actually pretty substantial. There is a very noticeable difference in a "combat gassed" gun and a professionally gassed gun. The ak will always have a nice chunk feeling to the recoil from the bolt carrier group, but it feels much nicer when the gun isnt over gassed.
Mega projects did a pretty in-depth video however they’re never like your deep dives. I asked for it and got it! Thanks! I’m making a badass lady Ukrainian fighter sculpture and think this rifle would really be a great Easter egg.
@@The_ZeroLine their video was great but just felt a little thin from what I’m used to with Chris Cappy’s docs.
The guy firing the 74U at 13:13 while standing in the road clearly demonstrates the hottest tactical firing position. Ever.
As always thank you
Excellent video!...thank you!
You nearly always (grudgingly) earn my like and subscribing. Good story. Excellent points. I like bull pups. Longer barrel shorter over all package is a win.
I believe convection occurs in both liquids and gases so it wouldn't require liquid to have convection-related cooling
Yeah I feel like that's marketing lingo for "cooled by air just like any other freaking hot piece of metal exposed to air"
@@BaritoneMonkey hahaha
Just getting a rail for an optic is a huge improvement over the AK pattern rifles. It the upper is mounted rigidly enough it might even stay zeroed. The convection thing may be what Stoner and company did with the original AR15/M16 handguards using the heat from the barrel to pull air in thru the bottom holes and out the top to create a chimney effect. Lots of opinions on that to this day. Recoil looks pretty straight line over an AK which should reduce muzzle rise which may partially explain the reduced recoil claims.
Kind of funny, how both Poland and Ukraine are currently in the process of replacing their older AK based platforms with bullpup capable rifles (Polish Grot can be both classical rifle and bullpup)
The felt recoil might be lower because barrel and stock are in one line compared to the ak so there is less tendency to rise
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I can think of other ways the felt recoil might be less. First the stock is more in line with the barrel than classic AK designs, thereby making the recoil more linear and producing less muzzle rise. Second, in bullpup rifles, the grip is closer to the front of the rifle which provides more leverage in controlling muzzle rise.
Reminds me of my old STG 77.
Funnily enough, two days ago, someone working for a big ammo and weapons store in Austria told me, no orders of AUG Z were fulfilled by Steyr since Februrary and his guess was a law enforcement or national contract that needed to be served first.
As I'm bullpup biased, I'd really like to see how the Malyuk compares to the Steyr models.
The first time I saw this rifle was after 24th of February. Did some learning about it and I can safely say that the Malyuk must be the sexiest bullpup I've ever seen.
I would really like to see the Malyuk being shown in FPS games like the new MW2 someday
Edit (09/28/23): Holy s**t they did lol
Does everything in life have to somehow tie into a video game? You do realize he is talking about a firearm being actively used in the most major conflict in Europe since WWII and you are talking about video games? What's worse is other people agree with you shame!
@@corey8420 Look I get it. What you said is true about the Malyuk being currently used and on-demand rifle in the Ukrainian military that they can't export a single one right now to their allies due to the ongoing war and their need to keep their soldiers armed and well-equipped. They can only send photos of the Malyuk that we can only dream of shooting one.
All I'm saying is that a virtual rendition of the Malyuk in mediums like FPS games could help satisfy our curiosity about the gun and appreciate the ingenuity of Ukrainian engineering amidst the conflict.
Perhaps. It'll be interesting to see how an AK bullpup is represented in-game
Play CoD Ghosts they have the prototype called Vepr
@@corey8420 somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed...
That mag release is probably there to avoid unintentional activation by entanglement with very much of straps and stuff in the proximity of a mag. Does make sense for me.
The Royal Thai Army has used TARVOR as a standard service rifle. It has very good results in valuation experiments. but shortly after in service The soldiers in the real field complained that a bullpub gun had a lot of problems. The main problem was that the case ejecting port were right next to their faces. This made the smoke irritate their eyes a lot. Many units asking to go back to using the AR 15 because they feel more confident.
Eye irritation in the heat of battle that's not a small thing. It could mean life and death.
Azov was split in two. The unit has since been reorganized in some Mechanized form. Can't remember if it is a Battalion still or was expanded into a Regiment. Most of the unit's heavy vehicles, as it had a detachment of Tanks in its formation, were outside of Mariupol when the city was encircled.
While half the unit surrendered when the city finally fell, the other half was pushed back all the way into the Central Front. From there, the Ukrainian leadership withdrew it for rest and refitting. Since then, its old Nazi emblems have been scrubbed from the unit in favor of Ukrainian emblems.
Part of that wasn't just to make the unit less controversial either. The Azov Battalion had ended up fighting the Russian Wagner Group, a well known Neo-Nazi PMC under the control of the GRU. So, in Ukraine, Neo-Nazis were essentially killing one another in battle and the Ukrainian ones became disillusioned with Nazi Ideology and began to switch out or dispose of their connections to the Neo-Nazi movement.
Ironically, the invasion HAS resulted in Denazification. But to the Russian detriment! The Ukrainians are more proud of their nation than ever before. More united and firm in their resolve. They've actually begun falling into line of a Western Liberal Democracy from a more Conservative Republic.
As I said, for a Conservative nation like Russia, that's the LAST thing they needed. Though it is something to start having a laugh about.
By I digress. Besides you're probably hearing from me anyways.
I think there’s only Two Companys left of the Azov
@@joeybobbie1 - Actually they expanded on the unit, forming several other units from Azov volunteers.
One of the best SOF units is Azov. Though they swapped emblems. Their emblem reflects they are Ukrainian SOF.
Other units were formed out of Azov detachments and raised to larger formations. Though few are anything like the original Azov Battalion. But they are actually some of the best of Ukraine has to offer.
And likewise, many have swapped emblems for something more distinctly Ukrainian.
The original Azov Battalion, which was an actual Regiment, was pretty badly chewed up.
They were the defenders of Mariupol since ensuring it remained in Ukrainian hands all the way back in 2014.
The surviving forces have been reorganized into a Regular Line Regiment. Previously, they fell under the Ukrainian National Guard's control. They cleaned up the unit successfully since about 2016 I believe it was. They just never got around to changing the unit emblem for a number of reasons.
Since the near complete destruction of the Regiment, it has been rebuilt. Though for very obvious reasons, the Ukrainian Army is being quiet about the unit. Understandable as they would be an immediate magnet for hostile attacks, both on and off the battlefield.
Do you have a source about them getting disillusioned fighting Wagner? Would like to read more
@@cwjian90 - Just bits and pieces. Getting any real hard sources, you guys need to learn to do your sleuthing BTW, is nigh impossible right now. Mostly because people can't talk about it, for some very reasonable reasons I might add.
But more than that, Wagner was heavily involved in fighting them. Wagner probably was the one group that really pressed them. Even Russia's Cat-A Units have almost been a joke in this war. Only the guys who took Kherson were actually competent and they were eventually broken, leaving only Wagner who has been doing the most damage as a general rule.
But now Wagner is worn out and breaking.
Though the damage is done.
An increasing number of Azov units are stripping away their Neo-Nazi origins. Instead, they're increasingly embracing their Ukrainian heritage. Many of those who haven't done so, are foreign volunteers that the Nationalist Right, that originally helped create the Azov Battalion 8 years ago, are the ones bringing them in as well as new members who haven't fought the Wagner Group yet, let alone when it was at its strongest.
Plus, there are an increasingly number of LGBQT+ members of the Ukrainian forces.
And contrary to Radical Right claims, they have been truly tough nuts to crack on the battlefield. Professional and determined. They aren't confused on their gender, only which targets to pick first until the Ork Warbosses come out of their hiding places.
I imagine some units cross paths with these members they should be predisposed to have fights with or aggravate.
But they have the same enemy and no report about issues has cropped up yet.
Do You know the difference between the definitions of "nationalist" and "nazi"? Azov is a regiment of nationalist beliefs, NOT nazi. The emblem of the regiment is "Idea of the Nation" (the letter "I" is integrated into the letter "N").
Convection involves a fluid which liquids and gases both fall under.
Some years ago, I thought of an AK to bullpup conversion and it seemed that the main problem would be connecting the trigger group to the striker release. More mechanical linkage and greater length of connector rods inevitably mean more play, more slack and more variation in trigger break pressure. Glad to see that the problem has in some sense been solved
P.S. Convection also refers to gas only.
I'd love to see the comparison between the Malyuk and the new SIG XM5, both on paper as well as what experienced soldiers would have to say after putting both through the ringer 🤓
Yes yes!
The "heavy trigger" gripe on bullpup rifles has largely been solved, these days. Additionally, since the weight of the receiver is shifted aft of the pistol grip, felt recoil might very well has less _perceived_ recoil.
Yes the Malyuk looks better than the AK12, please do the comparison video.
Thanks for breaking that down for us. I like it better than the AK just for the Ergonomics. But to be really sold on it, I would have to Shoot both. Thanks for all the Work you did on this. I always enjoy your Podcast.👍❤️🇺🇦
The trigger rod is the killer on the bp. I like a good takeup and crisp bang. I think I would grab the Ak-12 if I had a choice. I own several AKM's and would hate to fight a war with them but the 12 has the amenities that make the difference IMO.
Seems like it’s performing well-plus I think it looks sick. The bull pup trigger issue (if it really exists on this rifle) is the only real qualm and adequate training can over come this.
Having shot a rifle with the bullpup Trigger is has an unnatural feel, to me. I don't own one, Dessert Tech has a bullpup that is designed, somehow, with a conventional trigger? I haven't shot a bullpup, but some who have, tell me the ejection next to your face is annoying. Just some input.
@@ws1435 Didnt annoy me, used it for close on 12 years, and used conventical trigger groups as well (M16a2/M4/AK/HK's). Always made marksman on the bullpup (primary arm), so must be just training on it for me. Fired the famas/aug as well, not alot, but it was similar.
I love a bull pup rifle. Length and balance feels so much better. Every one I've gotten to shoot I've really liked.
I know a guy that volunteered to fight in Ukraine. He sent me some close up pictures of the rifle.
This was really well done, even more detailed than a “Forgotten Weapons” vid where all you’re doing is looking at the weapon and then maybe he takes it apart. Rather boring. Please make more of these for other weapons.
11:34 why you can't? I think that it depends from you and your perseverance. I believe that in modern situation Ukraine will be thankful for your help with military ammunition, and depending on its size you or some of your friends can get the opportunity to have some experience with this rifle. Of course here in Ukraine, we can't legally export guns before war ended.
Traditional AKs have a very short stock with a small butt plate. Increasing the length-of-pull and/or the surface area of the butt could reduce felt recoil. Also, the Malyuk appears to have a rubber butt pad instead of a steel butt plate.
1: Convection can happen in mediums other than liquids-- hot air "escaping" from around a hot barrel is still convection. Openings around the barrel allow hot gas to rise away from the hot parts, while cool air is pulled in from below to replace it. No liquids are required.
2: The gas port on the barrel is not under the wood furniture of an AK: it's literally the vertical bit of metal that links the barrel to the upper tube (the gas tube) out in front of the handguards-- the vents on the gas tube are also forward of the wooden furniture (you can see the gases venting there in your firing clips). It's just that the whole barrel gas tube gets hot, and the handguards run over them both. It seems like you don't use the handguard at all on the Malyuk as everyone is using vertical grips-- that and the polymer frame are probably why people aren't burning themselves on this one. The gas port on the Malyuk is right inside the handguard (see 06:51), it's just people aren't actually gripping the handguard to hold the rifle (and plastic might be a better insulator than wood).
The front hand-hold makes it look like a very sturdy, well-balanced grip.
I'd love a video on morale in the Ukraine war, how Ukrainian soldiers' morale seems to be rising and Russian soldiers' falling and the effects that is going to have on the strategies employed by both sides if at any.
I've got nothing against bullpup designs as having a full length barrel in a short, compact package is quite nice - I've got one of the Turkish 12 gauge bullpups and having that much shotgun in such a small package, along with the ten round magazine - awesome for hogging, whether I'm on the boat or walking through the woods.
Meanwhile in Norway we have to put a stopper in the tube or mag so we cant load more than 2 shots. Just because the douchebags making the laws are 150 years old and thinks no-one should carry anything but a side-by-side/over-under with wooden stocks and hideous engravings. I hunt, I don't go out in the woods to cosplay a british lord shooting tied up birds and rabbits. Thats my off-topic rant, but you guys are lucky. Happy hunting.
The VRBP-100A? I have one too! Took me a bit to break in though.
@@tasteslikewall SDS BLP M12 - yeah - they weren't kidding about needing to break it in, leaving me feeling like I had a broken shoulder after cycling a hundred one ounce loads through it. >_
Man the more I see about this rifle the more I love it.
Engineer here: convection cooling can also mean „cooled by moving gases“ for example hot gas can move away.
I hate bullpups. They either fit you as a troop on the ground or don’t. I was in the later. Austeyr for me was a struggle to get a good shouldering, cheek weld and then the vertical front grip was too close to the pistol grip meaning the two hands were so close together it meant the weapon system moved more when requiring accuracy especially at longer ranges. The only advantage with having the hands close together was reaction time to get that first round down range, but for me the longer the engagement the less accurate you became. M4 was only slightly slower on target but accuracy over the length of the firefight and when under stress was better. The points of contact between me and the rifle being spread further apart resulted in a better shooting position that was less prone to fatigue.
I used to keep the front grip folded up. I hated its trigger and the integrated scope but liked everything else about it
There are many AK bullpup conversions on the global market. This looks the most effective by far. A lot of people hate on bullpup conversions, especially of the AK; but fail to realize that just because it is not elegant does not mean it isn't efficient.
Why do folks hate bullpup?
I've handled the tavor once and the center of masss and the handling was amazing. Loved it.
@@johnshepard7630 I own a Bullpup. Biggest complaints are noise and trigger.
When you need to use the bayonet, how do you hold on to the rifle.
@@davidfreeman2522 most modern rifles don't even have a bayonet.
@@Stephen85 wouldn't leave America without one.
Great vid. I THINK the image used at 2:26 is an airsoft conversion. The magazines have no feed lips but a flat top.
Great video. Now do one on the Stugna-P anti tank missile system.
Malyuk is a child in Ukrainian. Nice rifle. And this is just the beginning. After our Victory, Ukraine will become one of the best countries in the world. We will be good friends of the Free World and will be grateful for all the support you provide for us. Glory to Ukraine!!! Glory to the AZOV regiment!!!!
First few times I shouldered an AUG I hit myself in the face because of the unusual weight distribution. But you get used to stuff, not everything has to be an AR/AK variant.
Tons of great history in here. I didn't know how developed the MIC was in Ukraine. It explains a lot about their ability to adopt and learn new weapons system quickly.
Great video
Really enjoy your presentation style
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I vote for an AK-12 / Malyuk comparison. Could be interesting to see both how the AK has evolved and how competitors are taking, and departing from, the venerable AK platform.
Malyuk is exceptionally a ukrainian word. Nothing to do with russian malish. 4:11
They are similar because of language similarity but definitely not the same.
Check out the Australian military experience with the Styer bull pup, It has been the standard issue with the Aust military for many years now and is manufactured locally. it has the standard NATO round and the same barrel length as the M16. it replaced the M 16 and the SLR, local model of the FN. The Styer has been through regular upgrades and as it is the standard weapon and has been for decades now, it would be difficult for our troops to comfortably revert to “old fashioned” style rifles.
This reminds me a lot of the development of the VHS rifle (or the civilian Hellion in the U.S.).
The difference being the VHS predecessors started out as an attempt to get into firearms design by a metallurgy company with no previous experience in the field.
Technically even if they didn't change the gas system the felt recoil would have been lower. Feld recoil an actual recoil are not the same. If you take a barrel the same length and move it away from your shoulder the recoil will feel higher even though it's the exact same system
Also, they could've simply refined the bolt travel so that it doesn't bottom out at the back of the receiver, via different springs, a buffer, or cams. That alone would eliminate half of the AK bounce.
Malyuk is actually a pure Ukrainian word, it does not exist in Russian. I always wanted to try this baby out.
Thanks Cappy.