Track Saw Square Comparison //TSO Products//Bench Dogs UK//Woodpeckers Tools//Insta Rail Square

Sdílet
Vložit
  • čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
  • This video is a side by side comparison of the TSO Products, Bench Dogs UK, Woodpeckers Tools, and Insta Rail Square track saw squares. In it, I discuss compatibility, weight, features, cost, and share my own thoughts and experience using them. I hope the information is helpful in you making a decision on which one is right for you.
    #tracksquare #tracksawsquare #woodworkingtools
    You can find out more information or purchase these tools for yourself with the links below.
    **TSO Products Squares
    tsoproducts.com/tso-guide-rai...
    **Bench Dogs UK
    benchdogs.co.uk/collections/r...
    **Woodpeckers Tools Adjustable Track Square
    www.woodpeck.com/woodpeckers-...
    **Insta Rail Square
    www.toolnut.com/insta-railsqu...
    Website: www.bentswoodworking.com
    Patreon: / bentswoodworking
    Instagram: / bentswoodworking
    Facebook: / bentswoodworking
    Bent’s Woodworking is Sponsored By:
    Harvey Woodworking - Go check out the Gyro Air G700
    bit.ly/bwharveywoodworking
    Bent's Woodworking is Proudly Partnered With:
    Festool USA - See everything that Festool USA has to offer
    bit.ly/bwfestoolusa
    Bessey Tool North America - The only clamps I use in my shop
    bit.ly/BesseyNA
    Bits and Bits Company - Save 15% on your order with the code BENTS15
    bit.ly/bitsbitsbw
    Hartzell Hardwoods - Global suppliers of terrific hardwoods like walnut, oak, hickory, and ash. bit.ly/hartzellbw
    Bent’s Woodworking Affiliates:
    TSO Products - Some of the best woodworking accessories on the market tsoproducts.com?aff=5
    Jay's Custom Creations - Shop Jays vast collection of plans and templates jayscustomcreations.com/produ...
    Axiom Precision CNC Machines - See what Axiom has to offer www.axiomprecision.com/?acc=1...
    Rubio Monocoat - See all the finish options Rubio Monocoat has to offer www.rubiomonocoatusa.com/#ben...
    Affiliate links to items used in this video below:
    DISCLAIMER - As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.
    Camera and Audio Equipment I Use:
    Canon 90D - amzn.to/2Rl9vKM
    Canon 10-18mm Lens - amzn.to/2Tk21dP
    Rode Wireless Go - amzn.to/32yBzz4
    Sigma 18-35 f1.8 Lens - amzn.to/2NEi2Ye
    Neewer Monitor - amzn.to/2RuXket
    Pergear Tripod Head - amzn.to/2sIkAgS
    Neewer Monito Batteries - amzn.to/30GGnSz
  • Jak na to + styl

Komentáře • 397

  • @georgenewlands9760
    @georgenewlands9760 Před 3 lety +20

    The benchdogs square also has tapped holes into which you can screw long dogs, for when you need to cut a post-formed kitchen worktop and can’t reference off the top edge. These are also spaced so that you can drop the dogs through the holes in a MFT table to make a cutting station...there are specific dogs with a tapered end to make set up easy. I have the mk I square, which uses Allen head screws to secure it to the rail, a little less convenient but dead on accurate. I highly recommend it.

  • @brewsnoop
    @brewsnoop Před 3 lety +3

    My Triton system has an adjustable angle square as well. They make a static 90 degree model and an adjustable model. It works great for my needs. Thanks for the great review!

  • @Outoftrouble
    @Outoftrouble Před 2 lety +2

    I just want to thank you for this in depth video and comparison with different companies, this is my first track saw and looking for accessories for this Makita. Thank you

  • @WeGoWalk
    @WeGoWalk Před 3 lety +1

    Excellent delivery, excellent comparison. I appreciate your professionalism. Thank you!

  • @guybowers9094
    @guybowers9094 Před 3 lety +1

    Always good to see some side by side comparison videos they are most helpful

  • @Foxholeatheist
    @Foxholeatheist Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks for the video! I bought my TSO before watching, now I'm glad I did! Looking forward to the parallel guide video!

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 2 lety +1

      The parallel guide video will actually be coming out next week 👍

  • @BenchdogsUK
    @BenchdogsUK Před 3 lety +10

    Yet another great video Jason to help other make a decision on their next purchase. Thanks for waiting for me to get this out to you. 👍🏻

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety +1

      Thank you Ralph! Really wanted to have this in the video!

    • @devo1210
      @devo1210 Před 2 lety

      I'll be getting the benchdog one

  • @evans_workshop
    @evans_workshop Před 3 lety +4

    Great summary Jason. Thank you. I ordered the TSO one based on this video and your recommendation.

  • @AngieWilliamsDesigns
    @AngieWilliamsDesigns Před 3 lety +2

    Glad you put this out there. I just got my TSC-55 at the end of December. I love it. And it seems like I haven't done tons of stuff I've needed it for... but it's done things I wouldn't have done very well before. Anyhow... I want a rail square. I've leaned toward the BenchDogs one. I love the accessories of it and more. But maybe thats because I watched a lot of the 10 Minute Work Shop. LOL. I haven't seen a whole lot about TSO. But this video was super helpful. Although I want the Benchdogs one... waiting for it and the extra shipping has kept me from pulling the trigger. Knowing the TSO is super comparable will help me decide when I do get one. Thanks again for sharing!

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety

      You are very welcome! Either option would be great choices 👍

  • @sasukekun1416325
    @sasukekun1416325 Před 19 dny

    You’re a great communicator. Such a rarity. Thank you!

  • @degmoss
    @degmoss Před 3 lety +1

    I’ve had the TSO GSR-16 for a couple of years. Before the GSR-PE was available. I can’t complain about anything regarding TSO and their products. No regrets. Great video as always.

  • @mauricepettiford1864
    @mauricepettiford1864 Před 3 lety +1

    Great video. My wife is buying me the Festool MFT 3 Table and Track Saw for my 60th birthday. The video motivated me to get the Woodpecker Track Saw Square. Thanks for the detailed comparison. Job well done Sir.

  • @twizzlerboy
    @twizzlerboy Před 3 lety +4

    There's a 75 dollar difference here in Canada so I just went with the insta rail square, works great!

  • @paulmaryon9088
    @paulmaryon9088 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Great video thank you, I'm in the UK, and have some Benchdogs products, have found them very precise and well made can't recommend them enough. Thanks again for a very informative video.

  • @gavinclayton9552
    @gavinclayton9552 Před 3 lety +1

    A good informative video Jason. I have the Festool one which is the TSO rebranded.
    I also have the Festool protractor attachment for angle cuts. It doesn’t have the positive stops that click on like the woodpecker but it works perfectly fine and is no where near as big and heavy as the woodpecker.

  • @GarrySanchez
    @GarrySanchez Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks for this great info. Helped me make up my mind on which one to get.

  • @TeamProsperity
    @TeamProsperity Před 3 lety +1

    Great demo and explanation Jason, yeah Woodpeckers stuff is always quite a bit more expensive as you know lol

  • @keving8682
    @keving8682 Před 3 lety +28

    For those that care, only Benchdogs UK makes one that is compatible with the Bosch/Mafell track saws, or at least the only one I have found.

    • @ericdillenberger7873
      @ericdillenberger7873 Před 3 lety +6

      FC tools of UK (Scotland) does too. Their original square was an absolute work of art, and nicer than the Benchdogs, but both companies made 'improvements' to their squares now I think the new Benchdog is nicer, but I have not tested it's accuracy yet. The FC uses cams with a Allen key to tighten, the throw lever cam on Benchdog is more elegant.

    • @Fchybridrailsquare
      @Fchybridrailsquare Před 3 lety +1

      no just to let u know fctools do it to

    • @whomadethatsaltysoup
      @whomadethatsaltysoup Před 3 lety

      I've got the Benchdogs UK square and it is really excellent! It does come in models that are compatible with Bosch/Mafell, but you do need to buy two versions to maintain compatibility with Festool/Makita/Triton as well.
      As I write, the TSO GR16 is currently available in the UK at £99 sterling. A real bargain IMHO, given that I previously owned the Triton - aka, the kinda square railsquare - which came in at around £35 about 4 years ago.
      I was in the market for the 'Clyde built' FC square, made right here in Bonnie Scotland, but it was always out of stock, and I just gave up on it, opting instead for the Benchdogs version.
      I'm not experiencing any retail regret.

  • @dieselrugg
    @dieselrugg Před 3 lety +3

    I went with the instaRail square...works great.

  • @leftistelf
    @leftistelf Před 3 lety +10

    This NEEDED to be done. Thank you

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety

      You’re very welcome!

    • @losspedal6151
      @losspedal6151 Před 3 lety

      Unfortunately, no check about the reality of the squaring of them has been made: and it's the key of the quality of the cut!
      In fact, as I have the TSO, I can mention it's usable only for small lengths pieces: over 0,8 meter length you'll see the squaring fail
      Maybe except the Woodpecker model, all the other have no way to calibrate the squaring: so you can't adjust anything. When you buy one, the squaring should be good, but if it's not, there is nothing you can do to fix that.

  • @csimet
    @csimet Před 9 měsíci

    I picked up the TSO with my parallel guides and really like it. It has been working very well for me and zero complaints about the system. The Woodpeckers is nice, but I just don't see a need for anything but 90 degree cuts for my use.
    I did, however, buy an Amazon Chinese knock-off that is smaller (~10x3",

  • @stvcolwill
    @stvcolwill Před 3 lety +1

    I really wanted the Benchdog one because they're so innovative and also the benchdog compatibility which extends the reference of the square (also great on round-over edges. BUT!!!!! they were about two months behind on delivery so I didn't want to wait and therefore I went with the TSO16GS. (glad I did), nice video.

  • @vidpromjm
    @vidpromjm Před 3 lety +1

    +I believe that benchdogsuk has an option for Bosch/ Mafell rails, another option for Bosch owners is the Bosch rail with integrated angle guide FSN WAN, though I'm not sure of the precision of this vs dedicated track square.

  • @billymacmakes
    @billymacmakes Před 3 lety +1

    Thorough video Jason! I just finished making my own quick rail square following Peter Millard's design and it works great for an absolutely tiny fraction of what these all cost! And you have four! #jealous

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety

      Whatever works! Also, the insta square was a loaned from a friend and I will likely be selling the woodpeckers one now.

  • @chrisbrossette
    @chrisbrossette Před 3 lety +1

    I have the Woodpecker product and it does a good job, and yes, it is heavy. I liked to see the other products for making just 90 degree cuts, would work in most of my cuts and an option for a friend who builds tables. Thanks for the video.

  • @marcusturner8153
    @marcusturner8153 Před rokem +5

    Recently purchased the Festool TS55 track saw. Looking for a square guide to make my crosscuts that much faster. Thank you for this very informative review! It was well thought out and put together. My only additional question would be accuracy...perhaps a 5 cut method test for each to show their degree of accuracy. Did you find they were all dead on or was there a little slop (say 1/32" at 24") on any of them?

  • @michael.schuler
    @michael.schuler Před 3 lety +2

    Great compendious review. I love my TSO GRS; you can absolutely take the accuracy to the bank. But despite the light weight, I wish it included an anti-tipping tab. I added a handle that incorporates such a tab to mine and find it especially useful for shorter crosscuts.

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety

      Yeah, I can see how it would be helpful. Maybe they will update it and add one at some point

    • @carlbrothers
      @carlbrothers Před 3 lety +3

      I cut a piece of plexiglass that is held in place by some knobs that fit into the threaded holes.

  • @EcoMouseChannel
    @EcoMouseChannel Před 3 lety +3

    Having one that makes angled cuts is important to me, even if it's "not all the time". I like options. I also have two TSO GSR-PE squares. I like to do one at each end of my track. Plus, now they have the parallel guides! I love TSO Products.

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety

      They make great stuff

    • @kenjames2214
      @kenjames2214 Před 2 lety

      Hi do you find having two squares @ one at each end is beneficial?

    • @EcoMouseChannel
      @EcoMouseChannel Před rokem

      @@kenjames2214 very much so. I don't have to measure 5 times and make micro nudges after clamping one end of the track down.

  • @reinhardburkholder590
    @reinhardburkholder590 Před 3 lety +2

    You explained it well, thanks, I believe I’ll be going with the tso, thanks!

  • @DKWalser
    @DKWalser Před 2 lety +1

    Update: The Bench Dogs UK square also comes in a version that is compatible with Kreg's track saw.

  • @reinventg7308
    @reinventg7308 Před 3 lety +9

    A detail you didn't mention is the TSO (and perhaps others) was sized to fit in the TS 55 systainer case. A detail I appreciate every time I go to use it.

    • @pmoepmoe
      @pmoepmoe Před 3 lety

      I've got the Benchdogs one and it fits into the systainer next to the saw.

  • @karlkjj
    @karlkjj Před 3 lety +4

    I'm over in the UK of course I use the Benchdogs UK Ralph who owns Benchdogs can't do enough to help you 👍

  • @dfrechettej3v
    @dfrechettej3v Před 3 lety +3

    I received the new MK2 Rail Square - Mafell / Bosch (version 2) from Benchdog UK a month ago, and have used it a dozen times up to now. It's awesome. No complaints. Yes, it is not lite, but it's tight and extremely accurate. I love it. Note: The locks on version 2 are made of nylon or hard plastic.

    • @BenchdogsUK
      @BenchdogsUK Před 3 lety +1

      The MK2s are now being supplied with Aluminium locks instead of plastic ones. We will be offering an exchange for anyone who has the MK2 Rail Square with the plastic locks.

    • @dfrechettej3v
      @dfrechettej3v Před 3 lety +1

      @@BenchdogsUK I will get in touch with you then.

    • @dfrechettej3v
      @dfrechettej3v Před 3 lety +1

      @@BenchdogsUK I received the aluminum locks. Thanks!

  • @georgedenninghoff3196
    @georgedenninghoff3196 Před 3 měsíci

    Your viewers should be aware of purchasing TSO products in the right order. After viewing numerous reviews on the square and following you I purchased it. Enjoyed it and upgraded with the 20” kit. Found that I would use the 30” and tried to purchase it. YOU CANT DO THAT! You must purchase the entire kit again to get 30”. So nice tools but!

  • @cybersewingschool874
    @cybersewingschool874 Před rokem

    That was a great vid and so helpful! Thank you!!

  • @jasonmako343
    @jasonmako343 Před 3 lety +2

    It looks like the InstaRail also doesn't have the notches for using a rail clamp like the GRS or Bench Dog. I recently purchased the TSO and I love it. Plus you have all the accessories to make a whole system like the angle accessory for rounded edges, and of course the fantastic parallel guides w/ flip stops.

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety

      The TSO one is great and I love how it can be used with their parallel guide system as well.

  • @randymatthews5263
    @randymatthews5263 Před 2 lety +2

    I have the Benchdogs UK track square and love the ease of taking on/off. I have the w/p adjustable but use it less often. UK track saw square helps me use with MFT and not need an festool MF3 setup or kreg

  • @Mario_Turcotte
    @Mario_Turcotte Před 3 lety +2

    Great review Jason. I have the InstaRail one and regret not getting the TSO one. Over time the InstaRail made dents on my rails and the clip will lock on it's self all the time.

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety

      It definitely does it’s job but for the money I think the TSO makes the most sense for sure. I’m glad you you found the video helpful 👍👍

    • @acerjuglans383
      @acerjuglans383 Před 3 lety

      I was just about to order the insta rail xl, but now I'll think about it some more.

    • @Marcus_Caius
      @Marcus_Caius Před 3 lety

      @@acerjuglans383 Apparently they have a new version. They might have fixed the denting problem. Other then that the tool works fine. The TSO one in my opinion is more accurate and more flexible with many options.

  • @mrnobelnigel
    @mrnobelnigel Před 3 lety +1

    Great explanations and reviews. Thanks for sharing.

  • @jamzach4
    @jamzach4 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you so much for a detailed review !!

  • @olivepressdesign
    @olivepressdesign Před 3 lety +1

    Hi Jason. Awesome video. Thanks for sharing

  • @maxkaiser9316
    @maxkaiser9316 Před 3 lety +4

    Maybe you could have a giveaway for the woodpecker one on your next big milestone 😉 just a thought great video

  • @sfckjt
    @sfckjt Před rokem +2

    I realize that this video was aired a year ago but I just watched it. TSO now makes the GRS-16 PE K Guide Rail Square for the Kreg Track Saw. This Square is compatible with all the accessories as the other Guide Rail Squares TSO makes… Just thought you should know (which you probably already do)

  • @arth.4196
    @arth.4196 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Appreciate this video help. Really helpful I getting one of those 👍👍

  • @cdgregOG
    @cdgregOG Před 3 lety +1

    Great video, very informative, I agree, if the insta-rail was $99, it'd be a great "budget" option. That's the price my mind first went to as well.

  • @georgecoffman377
    @georgecoffman377 Před 2 lety +2

    Well I’ve got the Mikita track saw system and will be adding the TSO system (30-50) with the squares . I also have the Kreg pocket hole gigs along with the foreman and cabinet gigs they make. Adding the TSO system will complete my perfect set up for cabinets.

  • @kenfirestick1842
    @kenfirestick1842 Před 3 lety +3

    Great video - I have the woodpecker and use it for angled cuts and agree it is well made but it’s not my go to ... I prefer the Festool with T-Loc Guide rail .. would like to see you add this one to the comparison.

  • @robsandstrom9854
    @robsandstrom9854 Před 3 lety +2

    Good video and thanks for comparing. I’ve had TSO for a couple years. Never get a true 90 degree cut paired with my Makita track saw. I haven’t been able to determine if it is the TSO or the Makita track. I just cut about 1/2” bigger and use table saw for final cut. Would really like being able to just rely on tracksaw and square.

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety +1

      I still rough cut on the larger side and the final at the table saw. It isn’t because I don’t have confidence, it just the method I am use to doing. It’s like a habit I don’t care to break. 🤣

    • @multibikermike4681
      @multibikermike4681 Před 3 lety +9

      The purpose of those squares is to cut square. You should be able to trust it with your track to cut square.

  • @sawdustadikt979
    @sawdustadikt979 Před 3 lety +2

    I got the gen 2 of the insta with the dogs. I got my whole makita track saw set up from tool nut. I wanted to get tso but tool nut didn’t sell it and the insta looked comparable. It’s worked great, it fits in the systainer. I do wish there was a comparison video like this when I had got it but oh well, if I really want something else I’ll just get it and sell the one I have.

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety

      Hey if it’s working for you then that’s awesome. Doesn’t matter which one you have if it does what you need. 👍

  • @dumpthetrump9291
    @dumpthetrump9291 Před 2 lety +1

    Great breakdown. Thanks for the info!

  • @ssmith6999
    @ssmith6999 Před 2 lety +1

    Totally agree about the weight. Too heavy and you start to counter balance the track maybe lifting it up on one end. Thanks for the comparison!

  • @bestyoutubernonegraternumber1
    @bestyoutubernonegraternumber1 Před 10 měsíci

    Hey Jason, how thick is the TSO on the part that rests under the track? I got some fastcap track hangers (the green and black ones you have covered for walls and garage doors?), I am wondering whether I can keep the TSO GRS 16 PE V2 attached to my 55 inch track while mounted to the wall (I mounted the hangers green latch down, so the tracks do not rest on the splinter guard). I am hoping there will be enough clearance in the gap behind the track to keep it assembled while on the wall!
    Edit: Also, the woodpeckers is surprisingly inexpensive for their usual pricing scheme + its extra features in that big mitre plate. I went with the TSO though, I like their system - got the MTR-X for my MFT3 (only have one for now), the replacement hinge brackets they sell with the metal slop stop, the guide rail square is on the way & I got the Bigfoot on the way with that as well. I also ordered their ultimate dogs kit to get started with chamfer dogs + the chamfer bit/reamer you suggested to have at hand. I will be getting their parallel guides next.

  • @supergimp2000
    @supergimp2000 Před 3 lety +1

    I have had the Woodpeckers one for quite some time, but, to be honest, I really wish I was aware of the TSO when I purchased it. My biggest gripe with the Woodpeckers square is that on more than one occasion, I have found the "pointer" that indexes the angle isn't completely seated in the notch (not out of the notch, but not completely tight, even with the locking knob tightened) and the result is slightly out of square. I also think the weight makes it awkward and moving it around lends itself to bumping the index pointer slightly out of square. And the reality is that, besides when I first got it and was trying it out on scrap, I've never made anything but a 90 degree cut with it.

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety

      That a good point on the tooth being fully seated. I never thought about that

  • @PaganWizard
    @PaganWizard Před 4 měsíci

    I have the TSO square, and guides, and wouldn't want to use my track saw without them. With the Woodpeckers variety, there is a way for you to be able to use it on both ends of your work piece, but it does require some minor modification. Unscrew the tab that balances the square on your work piece, and move it to the opposite side of the square. Next, mark, drill and tap new mounting holes, and you have just added new possibilities. Will this void your warranty??? I don't know, I've never owned Woodpeckers square, so I cannot answer that.

  • @markhesketh9467
    @markhesketh9467 Před 3 lety +7

    A few points, the TSO is now rebadged and called Festool Rail Square in Europe. I had both the TSO and the Benchdogs squares. I found I was always reaching for the Benchdogs mark 1 version, it felt better and produced more accurate cuts for me. Also over here in the UK the Benchdogs is way cheaper then the TSO. The additional pieces for the Benchdogs make it really useful and it will soon have a parallel guide to go with it which again will be way cheaper than the TSO over here. The developer Ralph is just such an enthusiast that he is constantly improving his products.

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety

      Ralph is great!

    • @vjurco
      @vjurco Před 3 lety

      Yep - I bought Festo Square today and it is excellent. Will use it with Bosch track saw. The price vary across EU - I´ve got it for 130 USD from local dealer + 40 USD extra for 1000mm Makita rail. Very happy so far.

  • @seancrowley7520
    @seancrowley7520 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks. Just what I wanted to know.

  • @julianreverse
    @julianreverse Před 3 lety +1

    The TSO is also available in Festool colors ;-) Also cheaper than the blue one.

  • @andresfelipemoscosohernand2371

    No way! I was just thinking about your video where you mentioned that you were going to be selling the woodpecker square!! Lol 😆

  • @dilrosun
    @dilrosun Před 3 lety +1

    thanks Jason !

  • @mattbowers5342
    @mattbowers5342 Před 3 lety +1

    Great info, thanks for the insight!

  • @TaeGarfman
    @TaeGarfman Před 3 lety +1

    I started with the InstaRail and for whatever reason would not give me a square cut. Checked the machined features and they are square to the reference edge... but when attached to the rail would not clamp square. Replaced with the TSO w/ parallel guides and have never been happier. Can't keep a tool around if I can't trust it!

  • @JoeC92
    @JoeC92 Před 3 lety +1

    Benchdogs also make one for Bosch. Which I think is the only one on the market in North America from their other options. I'm happy with mine for the Bosch rails.

    • @boogiedahomey
      @boogiedahomey Před 2 lety +1

      I bought the FC rail square from FC Tools in Scotland. I got the combo Mafell/Bosch one side and Festool/Makita the other side (I use both tracks). Yes, it was expensive, but I prefer it to the Benchdog Mk II Mafell/Bosch square I have. It locks onto the rail more securely and I think is ever so slightly more accurate. And lighter too!

  • @panchobrown7562
    @panchobrown7562 Před 3 lety +1

    Excellent review!! Any new upcoming projects? Would love to see a build video. Please continue to inspire...

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety

      I have a few project videos that will be released over the next couple months

  • @TheTranq
    @TheTranq Před 3 lety

    Nice comparison. They look well made but wow they are expensive for what they are

  • @eideticgoone7035
    @eideticgoone7035 Před rokem

    I noticed that the Benchdogs UK pushes with two cams instead pulling with a clamp. This turns the much shorter than full width T-slot rail into the reference surface.
    Will this compromise its accuracy?
    As several have stated, the Benchdogs UK still seems to have excellent 90 deg. accuracy so maybe this is not an issue.

  • @jimrosson6702
    @jimrosson6702 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Great video thanks for sharing

  • @DVDFHardTarget
    @DVDFHardTarget Před 3 lety +3

    That Bench Dogs UK track square looks very good.

  • @glenntrav
    @glenntrav Před rokem

    Good video. You said that the Woodpeckers version cannot be used at the far end of the rail but it is not clear why. Can you elaborate?

  • @seanbrotherton542
    @seanbrotherton542 Před 3 lety +1

    Very cool! Makes my decision easier.

  • @pasiwoodworks1735
    @pasiwoodworks1735 Před 3 lety +4

    I've got the TSO but festool branded and being festool in europe makes it cost less than an "original" TSO

  • @theScamBKLYN
    @theScamBKLYN Před 3 lety +1

    I've set aside some funds to buy myself a Makita tracksaw setup for my birthday this year. I know a TSO track square would be super efficient, but I'm curious on your thoughts of how much more efficient than just using a Woodpeckers 1812 or 2616. Being a hobbiest, my time/cost/benefit calculation is slightly different and having something that is multifunctional, like a large accurate try square, is appealing. Of course, I completely understand the value of tools that increase accuracy and decrease frustration.

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety +2

      There are many ways to do things. Don’t feel pressured to buy something if something else is working well for you. To me, this is easier because it connects to the track so I don’t have to use two different tools separately. Do you “need” it, no. Is it nice to have, yes.

  • @garybecker4490
    @garybecker4490 Před 3 lety +2

    Good job. I just bought the TSO. Festool sells what looks like a clone of the TSO in Australia. Until recently, the TSO was cheaper from Axminster in UK even with shipping. I thought i saw a Festool adjustable square, maybe in the accessory kit.

    • @fotopdo
      @fotopdo Před 3 lety +1

      The Festool unit is a rebrand of the TSO, it is not for sale in the US, but appears to be sold everywhere else. Axminster sells both side by side in the UK.

    • @gavinclayton9552
      @gavinclayton9552 Před 3 lety +1

      You are right. Festool do make a protractor or angle attachment however it doesn’t have the positive stops at each angle. I have it and it works perfectly fine you just have to line the lines up accurately before tightening down.

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety +1

      Glad you found it helpful. I hope that someday I am able to get the Festool branded one here in the states.

    • @fotopdo
      @fotopdo Před 3 lety

      @@bentswoodworking You already have one, it's just blue. The Festool version even has TSO stamped on the clamp :-).
      I just checked current pricing on the TSO, Still $179 in the US but backordered till March. Axminster used to sell the Festool [backorded] for $130us and the TSO [in stock] for $140us, both are now $145. And they will sell either to a US customer. It's interesting that a US product can be imported to the UK and sold substantially cheaper, I assume that is due to strength of the GBP vs USD. Now we now how the Canadians feel.

  • @pjmcc1uk
    @pjmcc1uk Před 3 lety +1

    Great vid. MK2 isn't a track saw make. It means Mark 2. Which is like you in America saying version 2.0. Benchdogs UK do make a second rail square which is compatible with Bosch and Mafell track saws. Which I think may be because of differences in the tracks.

    • @pjmcc1uk
      @pjmcc1uk Před 3 lety +1

      Which I now realise you've pointed out

  • @areabum
    @areabum Před 3 lety +2

    I have the insta rail and it works great. I wish I had gotten the tso though for the parallel guides.

    • @Levisgil47
      @Levisgil47 Před 2 lety

      It seems that the insta has two bench dogs that you çan fit into table bench holes which makes it handy to cut square

  • @SteelBladeWoodworks
    @SteelBladeWoodworks Před 3 lety +1

    Very helpful information!!!

  • @kevinstenger4334
    @kevinstenger4334 Před rokem +1

    I was actually surprised the woodpeckers didn’t cost as much as the track saw. I love their stuff but they are a little over the top on the pricing of most of their tools. I’m willing to pay twice as much for a tool that’s twice as good, but I won’t pay four times.

  • @fredio54
    @fredio54 Před 3 měsíci

    Great old vid. Still relevant IMO. Any since then to consider? TSO updated theirs for the M18 tracks, too.

  • @houtslager
    @houtslager Před 3 lety +2

    Fyi Jason, Festool have a angle guide for their tracks.
    All the best from the other side 😎 Karl

    • @jibba0202
      @jibba0202 Před 2 lety

      Which i believe is a TSO product and cheaper than all rail squares mentioned here.

  • @fatpat01
    @fatpat01 Před 2 lety +1

    The new Insta XL is much better since reference edge is very long and gives you more precision! But I know it wasn’t out when you made that video

  • @bram1167
    @bram1167 Před 3 lety +1

    Festool sells the tso under their own brand as the ts-wa for around 125€. Not sure if it is available in the us though.
    Thanks for another nice video 👍🏻

  • @JustTony72
    @JustTony72 Před 3 lety +2

    Hi Jason. Not sure if it's the same in the states. In Australia festool have released the TSO under the festool name at half the price as the TSO and made it the most economical to buy.

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety +1

      It isn’t available here. Wish it was!

    • @carlb401
      @carlb401 Před 3 lety

      That is available in the EU too. I doubt the USA will get it as TSO licenced it to Festool for non Domestic sales, so if they sold it in the USA they would probably be breaking the licence agreement.

  • @pf5658
    @pf5658 Před 3 lety +2

    I own the GRS16 and I can honestly say it’s probably the best piece of tool I ever bought . Works pretty great with my Makita track saw and Festool rail. Btw. I own a few Festool tools but I’m jealous of that stack behind you. 😂

  • @moderntouchfurniture
    @moderntouchfurniture Před 3 lety +1

    Another great video, thanks Jason! Hey I noticed that sleek black tool wall, did you build it, or purchase, it looks like a Festool toy store, can't tell what's it made of, but man I love it, I want it. By the way I own the TSO, it's solid, accurated, love it, and like you mentioned I can use it on both sides, biggy for me.

  • @hobbes3
    @hobbes3 Před 10 měsíci

    I'm new to rail squares, so what's the point of the "triangle" side of the TSO? Is it just a reference 45° and 90° corner?

  • @deanaldinger5018
    @deanaldinger5018 Před 3 lety +1

    Great tool comparison, Jason! I have the TSO and use it regularly.

  • @manybikesrbest
    @manybikesrbest Před rokem +1

    Good job!

  • @damianmarquith3741
    @damianmarquith3741 Před 3 lety +1

    Brent, love the video and thanks for the comparisons. So, non-serious comment, how many pieces of tool “flare” is required to show in the background of your videos. Just jealous.

  • @sharplinespecialties-timot1156

    I have a Woodpeckers track square and have used it exclusively for breaking down plywood. Mine does NOT make any angle cuts, it is a 90 degree model only. It is presumably lighter than the angle version but I do not make angle cuts from a break down perspective. I would make those after breaking everything down and do so on my Accurate Angle sled. I do really like the TSO guide rails and for that wish I had bought the TSO angle guide. I have not purchased guide rails yet but hard to justify the cost of the Woodpeckers when TSO is such a great option. Anyone want to trade a TSO square for my Woodpeckers square?

  • @ronh9384
    @ronh9384 Před rokem +1

    Great video Jason. Have you done an update for the new Festool square that recently came out?
    Also do you have a parallel guide video out yet? Thanks.
    Ron

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před rokem

      I have not done a comparison of the new festool to these. I only use the TSO and I got rid of the others.

  • @fotopdo
    @fotopdo Před 3 lety +1

    UPDATE: Both are now $145, but neither can be sold to a US customer.
    The TSO is actually quite a bit cheaper at Axminster, $140 US, and Festool sells a rebranded version for $130. Festool does not sell their version in the US , but does appear to sell it everywhere else.
    There is a build series on CZcams done by trainer Brent where he is breaking down plywood and when needs to do some 90degree cuts he uses a woodpeckers 1281 square instead of a rail square. Woodpeckers seems to be the only 3rd party brand allowed in Festool US marketing. I’m surprised he didn’t at least use a TSO since they are essentially a sub-contractor.

  • @DirkfromDayton
    @DirkfromDayton Před rokem +1

    Great review. Any thoughts of updating this video to include the new Festool Angle Stop?

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před rokem +1

      In likely because I don’t have all them anymore. I sold them off after this video. I do use the TSO for pretty much everything. I do still have the Benchdogs one.

  • @rlvtrader
    @rlvtrader Před 4 měsíci

    Are these track squares compatible with the Milescraft Track saw guide?

  • @mothers22
    @mothers22 Před 3 lety +1

    Very helpful

  • @brianp1993
    @brianp1993 Před 3 lety +1

    I've had the TSO GRS-16PE for about 3 yrs and couldn't agree with you more. The one thing you forgot to add is there is an accessory that extends the reference edge even longer and you can use the GRS 16 and the 16 PE in conjunction with each other. Keep up the awesome Vids!

  • @ericdillenberger7873
    @ericdillenberger7873 Před 3 lety +1

    I have the instasquare and it sucked. It makes dents in the rail everytime you lock it down. I fit a cut off finger from a nitrile glove to cover it and fixed the problem. However it wasn't accurate 90. Bought the FC hybrid square from UK. It was pricy, but it is the ONLY square which works with BOTH the mafell and festool rail. It is very accurate. If I needed another one I would buy the new Benchdogs square because works 2 direction and the no tip tab is nicer. Don't know it's accuracy.

  • @jibba0202
    @jibba0202 Před 2 lety +2

    You didnt mention the use of track clamps with the squares.

  • @MnktoDave
    @MnktoDave Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks so much for this awesome comparison, I've been waiting a long time to see something like this!
    I'm new to track saws and I recently purchased the Makita track saw with the 55" guide rail, and also their 118" guide rail. I'm now looking to purchase the TSO GRS-16 PE that you show here, but am wondering, will the one square alone be enough to accurately square the long rail? Or do you recommend using a square on both ends of the long rail, when ripping full 8' lengths? That's what they recommend on their web site for best accuracy, but is it really necessary? I would like the most accuracy/convenience with my long rail, but it definitely comes at a cost. Was hoping to hear your thoughts on this...

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety +1

      It makes sense why 2 would be more beneficial but I couldn’t say for sure. The issue with the longer rails is them staying straight in the first place. For me, it wouldn’t be beneficial because I’m not trying to get a perfectly square edge on an 8 ft run. I typically rip everything slightly oversized, then cross cut everything, then finalize on the table saw. Just the technique I am use too.

    • @MnktoDave
      @MnktoDave Před 3 lety +1

      Your method is how I've always done it too, so far, and it works well. Probably no need for a second square then, unless I want to set up two different size rails at the same time, for faster production. Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.

    • @randymatthews5263
      @randymatthews5263 Před 2 lety

      A parallel guide would be more beneficial for accuracy

  • @JN2023
    @JN2023 Před rokem

    Do you have a video presenting how you attach the Festool machines on the wall behind you? (Domino and jigsaw etc.)

  • @michaelkaye4998
    @michaelkaye4998 Před 3 lety +2

    Another great video 👍.
    I am so disappointed in Kreg in that they don’t have an option for one of these.
    You didn’t mention Festool square. Have you seen/used it? Any thoughts?

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety

      I have seen it but I have never used it myself.

    • @BenchdogsUK
      @BenchdogsUK Před 3 lety +3

      We are working on a version for the kreg.

  • @rayespinoza429
    @rayespinoza429 Před 3 lety +1

    @Jason bent's woodworking & more are there any track squares that are compatible with dewalt track saw? I can't seem to find one.

    • @bentswoodworking
      @bentswoodworking  Před 3 lety

      I believe there are some overseas and may be available here. Otherwise, I couldn’t really say. I don’t have any experience with the dewalt.