The Frankenstein of Track Saws? Milwaukee M18
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The Milwaukee track saw is finally here, they have taken a lot from some of the other track saws that are available. It's not perfect but I think they have made a great plunge saw if you have Milwaukee tools.
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After spending alot of time breaking down plywood with a circ saw for shelving in my van, I didn’t know what I was missing out on until I got my hands on a track saw. The amount of time saved by just plopping the track down along the two measurements at either end compared to meticulously following a line with the circ saw was eye opening.
Welcome to the world of efficiency.👍🇨🇦
Table saws are faster
@evilsimeon Only the expensive shop table saws. Try breaking down sheets with a jobsite saw. Not fun, quite sketchy and will never give you the accuracy and cut quality of a tracksaw. A tracksaw is a game changer for working on-site. You do not know what you're missing until you get one.
This is an important thing that so many builders who tell me I don't need a tracksaw are missing. It's not just about perfect cuts, the things are just faster and easier to use for a myriad of tasks.
I need a tracksaw. But you don't need a tracksaw to get perfect cuts. You can buy a 50" inch or longer "True Grip" clamp on straight edge guide. They make several different brands, which are all good. Then you just follow the clamp with your saw. It's very easy and gives you no blade marks, and a perfectly straight cut. Now, there is a key, and that is, you need to use a high quality circular saw.
I had to buy a Flex 7 1/4" cordless saw, because I tested 2 brand new Milwaukee flagship model M18 circular saws, and the footplate was 0.030" misaligned on both of them.
If you're getting blade marks or burning, or gouging of the cut with a straight edge, then try getting a different brand saw. The heavy "cast aluminum" foot plate is what you want, not stamped aluminum.
What’s this? Scott Brown on a Friday night?! I’ll take it.
Friday 8 am in England 🥱🧱👍🏽
I'll take it to!!
I live my makita 40v aws track saw. You convinced me to buy it. I now also have the standard 40v skill saw that works with tha track and a specialty V-grove track saw mikita makes for ACM panel.
Jess popped out with the girls. He’s bored.
Way too early here in East Coast. I woke to an SBC notification like wtf! Happily I might add.
Note that Festool also offers a remote that pairs nicely with their Bluetooth enabled extractors like the CT-MIDI. Works great with my cordless tracksaw from Bosch. No vibration sensor, though. But the price is only 50€ or 90€ for the full upgrade kit (Festool extractor, only).
You did an excellent job of pointing out the pros and cons without knocking either saw/brand. For most I think it will boil down to battery brand. Thanks and see you on the next one.
Irish power tool repairer and CZcamsr Dean Doherty was repairing well-used and worn cordless tools. He commented that pros who thrash their tools daily are better served by corded tools. His logic was that brushless tools accumulated heat over the course of the day and that heat melts controllers and other sensitive electronic parts. Brushless cordless tools are better suited for less intensive use. Track saws probably better fit that latter category because of time between cuts fixing tracks, etc. Anyway, it's just an interesting line of thought.
He is always complaining that Milwaukee is really poor with spare part availability.
Professionals working on sites will weigh up speed and efficiency against long life. Organised pros will think about how they bash a tool on site and in van and will do clean up, blade care etc. The tool is a machine in the company accounts with an associated depreciation account, based on life expectancy, that provides for replacement. It's simplistic and bad business management to base corded vs cordless decision on such an overheating issue.
Hold on, what about corded brushless? That's starting to increase.
Dang that Metabo universal starter thing is lowkey the star of the show for me - looked at the Makita universal adapter thing a few weeks back and it was like a few hundred more again! Looks pretty handy for someone like me with a motley crew of different systems and corded things, specially with the PTO on my vac not having much juice. Trying to resist the urge to immediately buy one!
I got a cheap remote plug off Amazon for around £20. been using it for nearly two years in my workshop, it is only an on off switch no vibration sensor but its perfectly good at starting the vac for peanuts.
I went straight down and bought one. Works awesome and cost $175 Australian dollars. Thanks Scott. 😉
I agree! I was just thining "Gee, I wonder if I could use a microphone to trigger a wireless vacuum switch" and he pulls out that gem. Wish I could find something equivalent with US style plugs.
Scott, I’ve been using my Milwaukee tracksaw primarily for cutting Hardie fibro products. Hence needing extraction. My solution has been to purchase the metabo “stop start” product. It plugs in between the outlet and your vacuums electrical lead. Then it has a “motion activated” Bluetooth remote which you can seat on your tracksaw. This has been working very well for me. 98% of dust is excluded.
You mean like the one he showed in the video? LOL.
@@littlejackalo5326 yes exactly. My point was I have been using it for some time. Approx 50 houses as yet and all is well
A Scott brown video on a Friday night is the perfect start to a weekend!
Always enjoyable thanks Scott. I use a yard light remote on my dust collector - with remote button on a lanyard. $20 and works super well for any tool without auto dust capability.
And the name and model number is?
Scott, you make a track saw look interesting to a non builder like myself. Well done.😎
9 beers deep at 1 am and you see a SB vid pop up its a celebratory moment. Cheers scott jess and the rest.
That blue wall is amazing, great choice!
totaly agree about the vacuum Bluetooth connection of the track saw to shopvac!
Really excellent review, Scott. Thanks. I don't do enough carpentry these days to justify a track saw, but I can lust after one. I am, however, interested in dust extraction. I've rigged up a flexible hose between my 1979 AEG circular saw's dust port and my "shop vac". It works quite well, but I go though a lot of duct tape. 😀😅😉
Way back when, amateur boat builders like me could do really accurate work, but it took a lot of time. I had to cut a lot of curved lines in skinny (2.7mm) ply. to prevent chip-out, I hand scored the lines using a Stanley knife. Slow work.
Have been on theMilwaukee platform for several years and have been bringing a M18 (and now m12) vacuum with me all of the time for: compound miter saw dust extraction (I set the vacuum near enough, with the on/off switch facing me, set up the cut, turn on the vacuum, make the cut, shut off the vacuum); concrete anchoring (same thing, I set up my penetration, then turn on the vacuum with whatever dust accessory I am using, including just holding the hose by the hole) and for circular saw work.
If I used the track saw, I would do the same thing, it's not so challenging to turn the vacuum on and off, and also to have it near enough to my work station (or on the workpiece) to have it do it's job. And it's because I have the battery platform that I would use this workaround.
Thanks Scott, you make great videos.
You’re over using brackets. It doesn’t make a lick of sense why you are using them so much. It’s very hard to read friend.
I can't believe you guys got red tracks and the US got regular old bare aluminum
😂😂😂😂
This surprised me too. But I do like it. :-) same thick profile extrusion though. I was a bit worried that we'd get a thinner red light duty rail, but no, just prettier.
Because we're special 🤣
Geez the garden is looking good
My vote goes to the Milwaukee due to the M18 battery platform and imperial depth adjustment.
If you're a hobbyist like me, the bluetooth vacuum feature isn't a huge deal. I'd bet most of us use a shopvac (no bluetooth) anyway. A MUCH cheaper solution than the Metabo socket that Scott showed is a simple adapter with remote. I think they are typically used for outdoor holiday lights, but for about $10 USD, it's hard to beat. No, it doesnt detect voltage/vibration, but clicking a button on the remote to turn on/off is a huge convenience upgrade compared to manually turning your vacuum on and off.
I found your channel because of your first track saw video. That video is still a favorite of mine, it's a great review and very funny
Thanks for always giving honest tool reviews. It helps us guys who have a hard time determining which brand or tool is the best for the job, or which one we can sacrifice price for quality and vice versa
Someone at Milwaukee is getting in trouble for forgetting the auto dust chip! Nice saw! Great vid as always!
That red track looks sweet! I have by far Mostly Milwaukee tools, but bought a Festool track saw before they released their track saw. But I’m pretty happy with that Festool.
I just bought the Milwaukee because I had to cut a couple of dozen 20 step risers,and they turned out great,the best part being no hose or cord catching on the track. I have a couple of festools that work awesome,but this will be my go-to moving forward. So much easier to set up for even a couple of cuts! I found Diablo track saw blades that worked awesome. (Framing ,laminate,and fine finish.)
Hooking on the track was super for maneuvering track and saw from cut to cut on the stair jacks.
Fun fact. Frankenstein was the mad scientist. Frankenstein's Monster is who we all mistakenly call Frankenstein.
Great information Scotty. Thank you
I just made a remote switch with an old extension cord that goes tied with velcro to the vacum hose. Spend 15 minutes making it with few components that I already had at my shop. Works well.
Sounds like it's time to make your first youtube video
Milwakee to my knowledge doesn't have a Bluetooth vacuum to connect to but they do have a button to use with their dust extractor.
I bought the Bosch because it has the closest distance between the blade and the edge of the saw. Handy for cutting hanging doors and any flooring trouble hitting walls etc..your video on it convinced of the cutting quality. Milwaukee felt similar to it but it is definitely a good frankinstein design.
My workaround for simultaneous dust extraction w/ the Milwaukee track saw is using the bluetooth button that I bought w/ my Festool dust extractor. The button that straps onto the dust extractor hose was surprisingly inexpensive ($50 U.S.), considering it was from Festool (whose tools are notoriously expensive). Using this feature on my dust extractor allows me to use it with a variety of tools.
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Bloody ripper video mate. Your insights are very useful.
The fancy red track is almost enough to buy it! Looks cool😎 i have the corded Bosch my self, works like a charm.
Getting James Hoffman vibes from the comparison in the garden. Like the format and the B roll, very well done 👍
Love my cordless Milwaukee for smaller onsite jobs. Works well w my festool tracks. Dust collection into bag is remarkably good and half the time im cutting outside so whatever. Bag fills up fast tho!
Milwaukee is introducing a whole new vac system later this year. The end of the hose has the controller. So it works with many tools. The remote can also be worn. So no need to every tool a lil bit more expensive with individual control.
That metabo vac adapter is awesome, if the price was reasonable then I reckon most people would choose it over a bluetooth option like what festool or makita offer
Thank you and have a good week.
Hi Scott,
Thanks for another great tool review...!
What I am always missing out is the weight....
If you are a builder over time you are happy with every tool that weighs less then more... so I really have to say most of my tools are corded and I will continue to by corded tools because of weight and dust extraction.. If you are required to use dust extraction as we are in Europe (I remember you talked about that in one of your videos when you spoke about your work experience in the UK) Its a no brainer to buy a corded tool... even though we live in Canada as a German trained Journeymen finish carpenter and furniture maker we never work in log cabins in the middle of the woods without electricity. After 25 years of building I rather not get more atritis and batteries are unnecessary added weight if you have electricity and use a vacuum... Btw please check out the new king of all track saws in your videos... the brand new Festool TSV 60 with a pre cut.... amazing!
Great job Scott , I have watched many milwaukee track saw reviews and thats the first time i've heard that mentioned.
Heard what?
no blue tooth . his only real complaint. @@rowankeltizar5961
Dust extraction: Smart plug and "Alexa turn on vacuum". You can also use your phone or various Smart Buttons (wireless switch).
Thanks for the review Scott. Speaking of corded tracksaws I’d be super interested in your thoughts on some of the budget saws for the weekend warrior. The ToolShed branded one comes to mind.
If you have a festool extractor with Bluetooth, use their Bluetooth remote on the hose....works brilliantly. Need adapter's for different extraction outlets on each tool, but you probably need them anyhow.
Plus only £50 ish...in UK
I brought an early Bosch track saw which doesn’t have the knife, also the saw only sits on one shallow central guide rail without any other way to ensure the saw doesn’t separate from the track.
Had kick back and cut into the track. So these developments certainly help on these saws.
Hi Scott watch your videos all the time Great to watch.I have had the festool corded for years and no problems at all.Got the metabo cordless and think this is as good if not better than the Milwaukee also cheaper and better depth cut.
Great review Scott
Stunningly helpful video
If I want dust collection my Milwaukee track saw nicely accepts a Festool 1 3/8" hose end. With practice you can manually turn a dust extractor on or off in under 10 seconds. Note also that the Milwaukee saw only uses blades with a 20mm arbor hole, unlike the standard 30mm. Big box stores to date generally don't stock the Milwaukee blades.
Thanks for the review! When you lay the saw to an angle does the saw still run along the rubber of the track like a festool?
I love mine! Got it brand new on eBay for $300 and bought 110 in WEN track for $70.
1:05 cheeky flash of chef paerau haha the myth the legend
Hey Scott, love to see you get your hands on the new festool track saw with the scoring blade and do a review? Maybe Gaston can give you a look at one
I've had the festool TS75, lacked a lot of power but the accuracy was spot on, replaced it with the 2 x 18 makita, loved that saw, the two battery thing drove me crazy and it lacked a tiny bit of accuracy, I now have the Mafell 18v and it's an absolute dream to use. Great video Scott ❤
Does the mafell 18v struggle with the same issue as the older corded saws with the blade stepping out when you use the score feature?
As luck would have it I have a busy morning planned for tomorrow, so a Friday night video is just what I needed! Shot bro
Need to review the dewalt one too!!! Very useful info, keen to see more reviews between brands
I use the festool dust extractor and it has a Bluetooth button that comes with it on a rubber strap, I then strap that to the hose end which attaches to the track saw or sander, chop saw or Router, problem solved. This Bluetooth button is around £45 uk 🇬🇧 and is brilliant! Plus the extractor is the best in the biz! The Milwaukee track saw combined with the festool extractor is the best site combo other than a full festool setup. 😊
Great review!
15:15. You mention how batteries are so good that they last all day, and you don't even need to think about the battery. This is why having only "one platform" is no longer necessary in 2024. There is no longer any need to have 2 or 3 batteries charged up and waiting. Most of the tools last for several days now, and some last for months, on one battery.
As a Milwaukee tool owner, I ended up buying 3 different Dewalt tools, because they had the features I wanted. I found the Dewalt DCF891 impact wrench (see Torque Test Channel) review on it, and Dewalt also has the best cordless screwdrivers, for precision woodworking and small projects, the DCF601F2 with a manual clutch. I prefer the Dewalt 12 volt platform, because the handle is much smaller in diameter, making it easier to hold.
The point is, people should not feel anxious about "switching brands" anymore. Because batteries are so ridiculously good now, that you really only need 1 good dedicated battery per tool, in most cases.
I love the way these "shoot out" reviews very rarely favour one product over another. It's always: they both have their advantages but it depends what kind of work you do etc etc. Scott sitting on one of his beautifully constructed fences with great diplomacy skills.
I bought my Festool TS 55 about 12years ago and cut a whole lot of stuff with it over the years … and yet she still purrs as if I get her from the shops yesterday. I will never swap to a different brand.
Usually I'm not interested in purchasing tools I see people reviewing. But in this case it might be worth taking a look.
Salute from California mate!
I agree with one of the points you touched on Scott, that being that if using an extraction hose, the saw is already attached to something and losing the big benefit of being cordless. In which case why not have corded and take advantage of the associated benefits as mobility matters less. To the same argument, Milwaukee have made a cordless tracksaw without extraction, ergo truly mobile, ergo makes sense not to be attached via hose. It's extraction hose and cable for me though as tracksaws do make a lot of dust from some horrible materials like mdf.
Thanks for another exciting episode. Really good. I bet Milwaukee has a plan for the bluetooth thing just around the corner. They are smart and maybe there was a delay in a bluetooth battery production. Keeping fingers crossed for that.
Keep up the great work on the channel. I do patronize your advertisers and will continue to.
Milwaukee makes a hepa vac with a wrist button to turn the vac on or off. Works with a shop vac too
I use the Makita system. I like the ability between Festool and Makita. I do have one advantage. I have a vertical and horizontal panel saw.
Love your work (and Jess's of course)
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Many thanks
Keep the videos coming please!
Very nice toys, all of them...
Keep up the good work 👍 👏 🙌 👌
I have started collecting the Milwaukee tools/battery so I will probably end up with their track saw sooner or later. Just wanted to say I very much appreciate your honest evaluation. (it does matter however being a cordless saw the BT dust collection is not quite as vital IMHO)
I was waiting for this episode before I made the decision as to what brand trackie I should buy, and despite being a Milwaukeenee fiend, I'm actually considering the Festool corded saw as its a fairly similar price point with the tracks and Systainer. I really need to get my mitts on both and have a play. But Festool have dropped their new track saw with the scribing saw in the front of it, and it is a pricey piece of kit, but it is specially suited for exactly what you're doing, cutting laminate sheets and all that. Should somehow convince Carbatec to send you one of those
Never again for Milwaukee saws with the fickle triggers dying and being out of action for extended periods waiting on parts.
Hi Iv'e used the Dewalt, the festool and Makita track saws on different jobs and in different situations (all not my own) , the differenced are so insignificant, if you're going corded it does not matter what you get. I would have a look at price of tracks etc, as these can be quite different. I ended ups having to buy a very cheap version oil a job. (draper) as it was the only one in available in Cardiff that was 2020 and I still use it now. When I buy another one it will be the Festool 55 as it comes with the cut of track which can be permentatly attached to the saw. As Scott mentions it is all down to what you want to use it for and personal choice
Milwaukee could fix the bluetooth issue by including a module in a battery in future, turn on when sense draw would be simple. But the issue I think this highlights is the proprietary nature of tools, there is no ability to pair brands with each other so you will always need the matching vacuum with matching bluetooth dongle. The current battery situation is bad enough but the bluetooth situation is really unforgivable when it would cost nothing to allow pairing between manufacturers.
100%, needs a universal bluetooth standard
If you have a Festool vacuum they offer a Bluetooth remote. It has to be turned on. It doesn’t turn on automatically but it’s only $88.
I seen you and Ray using the Milwaukee track saw in a couple of your videos Scott and wondered if you had changed or just trying it out. Thanks for the video and your thoughts. I don't have a track saw yet but it is something I am going to invest in as I begin to build my tools. Thanks.
Festool vacuum’s also have the Bluetooth remote you can purchase in the states its like $80 I believe.
As you would normally have dust extraction connected is it worthwhile having cordless or would mains be the same?
Now go to to end of video - you have answered this, thanks
I use my milwaukee track saw with the dewalt 54volt m class dust extractor which has a cordless activation button. I bought a 3d printed adaptor for £10 to make them compatible with each other.
When you used the Milwaukee track saw on the window frame go back and see how much dust was shooting out of the back end and out the vaccum port...nearly all of it. Just an estimate but looks like at least 90 percent of the dust and all without a vaccum sucking it back
If you're doing a deepish 45deg cut with these does the blade still stick out a bit when not plunged? Mine (Triton clone) does and i cut my cord when i set it down. Better the cord than my fingers though. If it's a common thing in plunge saws might be worth warning people about, i think the shroud makes users think it's all super safe.
Hilti, FYI is providing a « manual blue tooth » switch you install at the end of your hose near the tool that you are using. This Bluetooth switch gives you the possibility to start and put off your vacuum at the moment needed if you are using a battery powered tool. Whatever brand you are using. This is the outmost interesting feature that I had the possibility to use even if I’m a great fan of Festool tools.
Festool has a bluetooth remote that you can put on the hose. $80 US. So long as you have one of their Bluetooth compatible dust extractors.
Hi Scott, from what I noticed when you showed the tracksaw is that your blade is very dirty, with large deposits of sap. It could do with cleaning as this will improve the cut.
Sit blade in, eg, large plastic bucket top with blade cleaning fluid. Watch the gunk wash off. Been doing that for 40 years. Only recently ran out of cleaner I'd had for decades!
@@cuebjWhat cleaner do you use?
His mate Gaston from piranha tools showed him in a previous episode
I just bought this, but I'll be running it off a DeWalt 4Ah compact 21700 based pack with adaptor since these tiny packs hit hard and a saw isn't a very hard load anyway. The DeWalt track saw, like the DeWalt nail guns, was a "teah, yeah, nah" deal. M18+adaptor+1.7Ah powerstack DeWalt battery for the nail guns :-)
Does the Milwaukee have multiple length tracks? I have all three for the Makita and really like the convenience.
Like you said at 15:38, if you are plugging a hose at it, it does not matter if it cordless or not. That why i'm still with my 10y/o makita
300 bucks for the remote is in insane. I bought a remote controled power point off of amazon for about £10. It plugs into a normal socket, then you plug your vacuum into it . The power is controlled with a button on a keyfob. Will work even if you're in a diferent room..
Great review
Love my Milwaukee tracksaw.
The close shot of the name "plate" @6:35 triggered a thought that saddens me. You know, they used to punch this important information like arbor size, rpm, power specs,etc onto a sheet of metal riveted to the tool because someone down the road might need such info. The name-sticker is like an acknowledgement that the tool just isn't going to last long enough to require more than a sticker. I dunno. Maybe the cold weather has turned my mood
YES , milwaukee does do some similar to the metabo, cost less but it’s like the festool, its a band with a butom
I use my mitre saw to rip aluminium sheet, using a bar clamped for the straight edge.
Can tracksaws be used to rip metal sheet too?
Would be far easier if so
What about getting your hands on the Hikoki track saw? Heard great things, would love to see a review!
Great review.
Crazy, that Metabo Bluetooth adapter is only like 80€ here in Germany. Could you also try out the Metabo track saw? Would be great to see a comparison.
300 is outrageous for that Metabo socket. It costs €100 here in Europe, and even that is a high price in my opinion.
Maybe look up there starmix one, it is the exact same version.
Also, Festool has Bluetooth switches you can attach to the hose to switch on the vacuum. Your vacuum needs to have Bluetooth though, also it is not vibration activated.
Have been on basically the Dewalt only platform for years, but based on the reviews I have seen here on CZcams, I grabbed this one in the kit format. It was delivered today, funny enough.
How come you didn't go for the Dewalt track saw?
@@hughbugger The blade change process was very cumbersome and slow, riving knife was bent from the factory and was causing a bind and the dropping motion into the material was awkward for some. Those are the three I remember.... I am sure it is a great saw, just lots of little gripes added up to a larger one.
I bought the 40v Max track saw then I bought a festool cordless one love them both
I was considering both. If you could only have one, which u think ud chose?
@mikewaters6980 i would get festool. the only reason i got the makita was i had the drop saw so that mean i could use the same battery. but once i use the festool tool its amazing price was only $100 aud different
You don’t need the Makita vacuum, that’s because you vab add the AWS adapter from Makita that plugs directly into your vacuum and you have the same features as the cordless models with built in AWS ✌️
Two batteries to run?!?!----Terrible idea Makita! Metabo has one battery platform for 18/36v tools. One battery-2 voltages. They don't make a track saw yet, and I wouldn't buy it if they did. Rough cut with the 36v skil saw, then final dimension with the 36v table saw and sliding miter saw. Far more accurate, repeatable and fast. Best battery platform for carpenters by heaps!! (I think kiwis say heaps)
makita has one battery saw, XGT Makita SP001GZ02
Hi Scott, hope you’ll see this comment, I recently bought a makita 40v plunge saw and after checking it I noticed it had bowed outwards base, I had it replaced and new one came even worse, Makita rep said they never had any issues reported but it bugged me that it was rocking on the track, for comparison I checked my 8yr old 110v maffel and it was perfectly flat. Finally I took the base off and bent it back myself. It’s not as bad now but I think it has a week point when you lock it at 90 degrees and the adjusting screws are pushing it outward, and it has that U shape notch on the blade side which makes it even more vulnerable. If you see this comment please could you check if your base is flat on the blade side or I’m just unlucky. Thanks!
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Yo scott you the man!
I was pretty surprised Milwaukee didn't have a automatic vacuum turn on. It's not a big deal for me because I have a Festool vacuum and it has a little Bluetooth button on the end of the hose so you just have to hit the button and turn on the vacuum and off you go.
Festool vacuums are awesome