Can LGBTQ+ and Christians See Eye To Eye? | Middle Ground
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Title: Christians
Narrator: Conservatives
Heading: Traditional Marriage
Hotel: TriVaGo
I don't like that they said "conservative". Christian does not equal Conservative lmao
YourPrettyKeenwah T This. It's lowkey annoying that people assume because I'm Christian I'm conservative.
Courtney C well are you
No I'm not.
I feel so sorry for the guy who was molested/raped as a child. Nobody deserves that regardless of their sexuality.
This happens a lot actually,my own brother threatened to rape me just to turn me straight,many lgbt kids suffer from this
@@lill.2795 i hope u are okay wtf omg
@@lill.2795 Omg, that's messed up.
@@nathanvarghese. hey me too, God bless âșïžđđœ
@@nathanvarghese. and as long as everyone is kind and respectful thatâs 100 percent okay!
Dude this is freaking amazing, I'm a Christain and feel like the Christians on this episode really showed how we as Christians should love people, stay blessed
@Ben The truth that a lot of people don't understand is that we're all human. We are all not going to agree on everything.
@@mrt8bit692 Not agreeing with someone's sexuality is pure bigotry.
@Jonathan Altieri But the thing is id that your going to find Bigotry wherever you go, religious or not... I don't seem why your judging a small majority of my religion. Doesn't seem fair
@Jin-Soo Kwon I am intolerant of intolerance, yes. Also, there's nothing immoral about being lgbtq.
@Jonathan Altieri Yes.
This was honestly heartwarming and the most respectful episode of this I have seen so far
@insert_username The fact that it was the most respectful episode they have seen đ
@Crystal Phoenix bro you donât have to talk about only the topic they talked about đ itâs a COMMENT section
I wouldnât use the word heartwarming to describe this species-dividing conversation.
probably beacuse most christians are actually christians that love and respect everyone instead of being bigoted
@@binghamguevara6814 species dividing? Do you think gay people are a separate species?
My 60 year old Christian uncle, while eating Taco Bell:
âIf you are homophobic, racist, or whatever, youâre not a real Christian. Cause God loves everybodyâ
period
@@Lexidragon typically... no context just nitty picking. Tell me one this Jesus did that was wrong for a Christian is a follower of christ. Thanks.
@@GreekMilitaryAnalysis The thing is that Jesus is not the entire bible. Most of the book consists of the OT with Jesus being a small portion. He is a better part of the bible but still not perfect as he is just a fallible human. Being a cherry picker is only following the teachings of Christ and ignoring the genocide and suffering god inflicted to get to that point. God having the audacity to say "I'm sending myself as my son to suffer persecution by humanity for events I caused and made and could easily take away but I don't" is disgusting. And if Jesus really did take away sin then he fucked up because the world is still a horrific natural and human-made place. I don't care about Jesus' followers because they are not true Christians.
@@zvonimir1294 im muslim and lgbt and even tho i cant speak for all muslims im sorry that u think that , i agree that muslims and jews are the most conservative tho
@@reynabdelazim6423 IDK man Homosexuality is pretty legal in Israel compared to most Muslim countries.
non consensual sex isnât sex. itâs abuse.
I respect you
Its rape.
@@natebmcfc9279 yes, but without consent it is rape.
@@jadynsims3849 goes without saying rape is forced sex and that's completely disgusting
Nate Da Saiyan wait what are you saying????
even though I'm straight, when Beck says that she thought she was a mistake at some point, I teared up, I cannot imagine feeling this way
You too are a homosexual. Everyone that supports homosexuality are homosexuals
I'm straight as well. And an LGBTQ ally. I cannot imagine feeling that way either. Everyone should feel free to love and express who they are. No one is ever a mistake. You always have a purpose even if you don't think you do. You just have to believe in yourself and remember there are people who love you
I'm straight. Don't consider myself an ally, per se. I can't imagine feeling like that and my heart goes out to Beck.
honestly thats one of the hardest things for people in the lgbtq community, and that is, to love yourself. when you're surrounded by so much hate you can fight but i gaurantee you at some point you're gonna cave in and need help. i struggled for years to tell my mom I was a lesbian, because shes always wanted me to have kids and get a boyfriend, i felt like because i liked girls that i could never appease my mother and that i was a mistake. im glad she accepts me and honestly it warms my heart that many straight christains arent hateful and it doesnt have to be that way. my best example is my therapist who let me talk about women (not sensually, just saying my type and joking about it) on the entire carride back to my house after we got starbucks, it was great.
You are not straight, there is no such thing as a straight woman, if you are attracted to men, you can call yourself bisexual.
I'm honestly proud that we've come far enough as a society for this group to sit down and have a genuinely respectful and calm conversation.
This stuff happens all the time, the hate is really imbedded in the internet.
@@Neotheaterr never always listen to the internet cause I think even today, there are always these "cops are racist" or that "white people are racist" or people always against religion. the media doesn't always have a correct point of view cause most of it is opinion But I wouldn't worry because just like these people, there are others who have common sense of respect.
@@Neotheaterr yes because people show their true colors online, behind a screen, anonymously. they would never spew that kind of hate to someone's face. but they're emboldened to be toxic online. i don't understand it personally and they probably mostly need therapy cos they're taking out their issues on others, usually strangers.
Fast forward to 2023
I love this channel so much. Helps people see that the other side aren't necessarily evil villains, but are humans like us with their own views that deserve to be heard
Title: Christians
Text on screen: traditional marriage
Guy speaking: conservatives
Me: what
Hotel: Trivago
jimmies: rustled
salad: tossed
Hotel? Trivago.
@@josephpaul0484 joke? overused.
@@GoLD-ec1bw I am aware that it is overused, but what is your point?
This is the chillest group on middle ground ever, I feel like they all listen to the same Spotify playlist
righttt
Same Spotify playlist đ. I truly understand that
Lol
iklr the flat/round earth got heateddd
Girl in read?
They should do a version of this but with teenagers, I want to see how that would go
I THZECOND TITH
Yes! That's a great idea!!!
yes! would love to hear this conversation
It'd probably be a mess, based on my generalizations. The Christian teens probably are not practicing much of the word and both sides probably are just uneducated of the topic/s. Just my guess, though
@@markmustachio4774i'd tell them to read the entirety of romans chapter 1 and 2nd corthians 6:14 and leave the room
I am a Christian and this just warms my heart â€ïž seeing two groups that society says donât normally get along being able to talk and hear each other out is awesome. Both sides werenât pushy and they just listened to each other. I have a lot of LGBTQ friends and these are some conversations we actually have with each other
@Methyl I know that because like I said Iâm a Christian. I was saying itâs nice hearing the two sides get along and be respectful :) hopefully it clears that up
@Methyl Possible to be both, vicious sociopathic imbecile.
@Methylwhich is why catholic exists.
Instead of following the Big sky father we hippies follow his cooler son.
W đŻ
im a christian and a non binary lesbian thank you for being respectful and not a homophobic shitface.
It's ok to say 'I can't do this because of my religion.'
It's not ok to say 'You can't do this because of my religion.'
*TRUUUUUTH*
Exactly. I feel like this is a point that a lot of religious people (not only christians although we do see the most christian protestors) miss.
God is the only one who will judge in the end, but it is ok to teach and say "you shouldn't do this". And maybe that is where it should end. No hatred, but just teaching that it is wrong. That's ok.
kevinkellyswellies
what really is there to teach? Teaching your opinion? Smh
â@@kevinkellyswellies personally i disagree. no one really asked for you to come and teach us your religion. as an atheist, i really dislike the fact that some christians like to impose their religious beliefs on others. (based on personal experiences, i feel that christians do it more than other religious people). your mindset is the reason why lgbt people cant live the life that they want to. you're trying to influence their lives just because it does not agree with your own beliefs. why can't you just leave them alone and let them decide on what they want to do with their own lives?
Theyâre just having a conversation. No yelling. No disrespect. Which is exactly what the world should be doing right now.
Edit: so ur telling me everyone who liked this comment is sane and knows how to have a normal conversation? Wow maybe the world isnât so f#%@ed after all
So true đŻ
Blue
Taterhead2002 ?
Exactly
Yeah, instead of cornering someone who has different mindset than you and wants to bash your skull in with a baseball bat.
This series is so fantastic. Watching folks sincerely attempt to understand each other, even if they donât agree, is inspirational.
Beautiful conversation between real, genuine humans who have all gone through life in different ways that led them to become who they are now. This openness is what the world needs now more than ever.
"If it's not consensual" that's not called sex it's sexual assault.
Like, maybe, in Romans 31:17...?
No itâs called a Victory Royale đđđ
Sexual assault is called sex actually.
Ya but sexual assault like rape is still sex, no?
@@mcqn0400 ikr
remember just because someone is Christian that doesn't mean they are homophobic.
hatred isn't a Christian thing
@@reizayin many choose hatred anyway
@@reizayin
What about the crusaders?
@@Meow-dr3pr The Crusades were entirely political and happened a thousand damn years ago
@@reizayin You know Churchian hatred, not true righteous indignation.
wait this was so touching. they got along so well and it made my heart so happy
Wow, this one was so nice to watch. What a great conversation. I was just hugely uplifted by this, thank you to the people who bravely and respectfully held this conversation, what an example they've set by conducting themselves this way. And thank you Jubilee
This is the most chill LGBTQ+ and Christian debate Iâve ever seen. We need more conversations like this.
That is what is so great about these Jubilee conversations. Human beings being decent human beings to one another.
Debates have been ruined by a single party that claims hate speech because you may disagree with them........Today we see nothing but labeling and division that has been fueled by Mainstream Media......Example....IF you like Trump, rather than a professional and respectful debate as we see here......We are left with: You're a racist, homophobic, anti-American, white supremacist, woman hating, womanizing individual!! I hate you, Die!.......This is what we see today from the very individuals who completely contradict themselves by stating they want unity and peace....We are left with division and hate.
It's sad....Look what happened to Ellen Degeneres by sitting next to Bush.....Can't even enjoy anything without being attacked today. America is bleeding....
I find Jubliee is relatively good at finding people who actually want to generate discussions and not just stand on a soapbox. The only one I feel that completely fell apart and became toxic was the flat earth one.
@@Bamboozled007 On the public scale [stuff we see, AKA the Media], whom I believe you are trying to indirectly portray, yes we have seen that type of dialogue. But I have many Conservative friends who repeat the exact behaviors, which you mention, toward non Trump supporters. 1. If you do not agree with me, you are a overly sensitive Trump hater, 2. You can't take my gun but I will do everything in my power to rid abortion because it kills innocent people, which a gun can do as well but we will not mention that because it does not fit the dialogue in which they are trying to prove, 3. Socialism is bad and we will rally against it and who ever supports it is a communist, because not to mention the VA HealthCare, the Road System, Public Education, and many other public goods are also funded via the uses of tax payer dollars, redistributed to the betterment of the welfare of all Americans [this does not mean I support a full scale socialist operated country, just a heads up if you plan to contradict me via the "who's gonna pay for it, so unfair" etc etc]. These are just many upon many examples that I have had encounters with in terms of my Conservative network.
Now, I personally am not a Trump supporter for various reasons, but I do not disagree with all or any of his policies just becayse of the Trump name brand. An attitude I saw a lot among pro and anti trump supporters when he came out with TrumpCare. Even though it was shown it would have been worse than ObamaCare, many supporters got behind it because trump did it and now makes it better and vice versa. Just one such dialogue.
So while I agree with your statement on how debate has been clouded in the last few years, it is in no way being clouded by partisan Democrats/media/trump haters, whatever name you come up for them today and in the future.
Itâs staged
"Can LGBTQ+ and Christians See Eye To Eye?"
LGBTQ+ Christians: *(profusely sweating)*
(Profusely sweating)
Is that supposed to be a thing?
@@chungusultimate yeah
@@chungusultimate I mean... it is. There are LGBTQ+ Christians out there.
@@eieiojklf712 No Christian is gay, any Christian that deals with same sex attrractions is a new person justified by Jesus's blood.
itâs a pity itâs only 15-minute long, Iâd watch them talk a whole night away đ I like that theyâre being friendly and respectful not changing their minds at the same time
this is definitely one of the better ones. Everyone was very open minded to actually hear eachother out
Genuinely surprised that this comment section isnât chaotic
Betty M.
Same, i wish things are always like this.
Welcome to Middle Ground.
Betty M. It's too soon. This video is too new. But don't worry the assholes are on their way. đ
Wait for it
That's a good thing for once
The Christian man with the dark button-up said the most important statement of this entire video: "I don't think the job of a Christian is to get people to behave in a certain way..."
YESSSS!! Our job is to love each other love God and serve each other
Agreed because of the fact that in todayâs society, a Christian (non-denominational) typically is more loving and accepting of others and liberal in this sense. However, in the Bible it clearly states we are out here to teach others and inspire others and spread the word of the gospel. Not to make everyone get along. But to stand up for what is right and to fight against what is wrong. Thereâs not a lot of grey area in the Bible, however our society tends to translate Gods word with a more passive tone in my opinion. But I was genuinely humbled by that man as well, I think we all know he has a great heart, no matter how closely he follows scripture.
So tell me where LGBTQ has that right yet they get pissed if we dont agree with the lifestyle
Jon Hanson Because many people say it through hate when they are coming from a place of expressing who they love. Itâs a fact that the LGBTQ community is criticized and told they will go to hell for their love. That is an act of judgement and hate that no one wants from another person.
Trueeeee @Ariel M
I love this, everyone is so open and they donât put anyone else down
A video from this channel popped in my timeline. I love this channel (communicating differences).
"Is America heading in the right direction?"
Europeans: *sips tea silently*
Edit: this aged like wine.
As long as it's not bleach
True
*i'm sipping french tea here*
daniel risk mate, you need to read the post properly. Thatâs not what any of us were getting at. At all.
@@danielrisk5731 ???
Imagine a world where we can sit down and have a conversation instead of yelling at eachother...goes for any problem
Lil_Roach117 itâs called Canada budđšđŠđ
Gus McLean bro Canada committed like...war crimes....
Well almost any problem. Sometimes there are people who cannot hear wisdom unless itâs beaten into them with a stick
@@schnoz2372 they also have a lot of racist groups
Me: no world leader has ever done blackface.
Other person: what ab Canada?
Me: *true doe*
Rimshot
i wasn't expecting this chill convo wow best one so far
This was honestly so fun and calming to watch and listen to. All of them made really awesome points and they were respectful about it. This is great I love this, keep doing these videos.
@insert_username lmao
they should've invited homophobics rather than Christians, I would like to see what happens
well a lot of christians are homophobic
@@askmymomplease5363 wrong
@@askmymomplease5363 where did you get that from? following the Christian stereotype?
@@askmymomplease5363 u got data or stats to prove that
@@askmymomplease5363 I hate that stereotype. Although I'm not religious anymore I grew up religious and everyone in my church were nice people. My mom and brothers aren't homophobic and neither was anyone else in my church.
The woman with short hair seems like a extremely nice and respectful person, no toxicity whatsoever.
To be honest I appreciate her because most the time libreals or gays are like AHHHHHHHHH REEEEEEEEE
@@femboyfairy no u or
@@femboyfairy yes, life is sooo toxic. None of us can live with it!!
@@femboyfairy it is rather disgusting that you are so entitled to a life that you would otherwise take from others. What makes you better?
Toxicity is not defined by how nice you say something. Itâs defined by what you are saying
I loved this, im so grateful they all stayed so calm, just goes to show what we could achieve as us, humans. đđ
I completely respect how this was so calm and appreciated how they were respectful of each other. However, the word âlifestyleâ that kept getting thrown around put me off. Itâs not a lifestyle itâs my life. So many people believe it is a choice we have made, when in all reality why would I choose to be put through the trauma of being called slurs daily and risking losing my family because they have such a conservative belief system.
@Jin-Soo Kwon No, it does not fit the definition, sociopath. Ricky Martin was always gay but pretended he was not because of disgusting homophobes like you. Homosexual desires are NOT depraved so SHUT YOUR MOUTH !
@Jin-Soo Kwon
âLetâs see what the *dictionary* has to say about the word Lifestyleâ that made me laugh
Do you not know how to read between the lines?
@KJV I didnât at all say the word lifestyle doesnât mean what it means. I said that I didnât like how it was being thrown around because it makes it sound as if it is a choice. As for the rest of YOUR post, I canât speak for anyone else but myself however you canât experience what itâs like unless you have had those âdesiresâ yourself. I didnât choose this, the years of ridicule living in a conservative/Christian, and the years of trying to deny it. I would rather be happy and have people like you judge me than never be happy at all. I respect your opinion but do not agree whatsoever. Your views are outdated.
@@user-rs3lm1ci6n I believe it is a choice and nothing will change that. Of course, I have nothing against any lgbt, but I consider it a choice.
@@cosneanumatei5117 yes because youâve never experienced it so you believe what you wanna believe. Which is fine, I donât understand why everyone has to try to instill their beliefs on other people.
Honestly, this was one of the calmest discussions yet about such a controversial topic.They listened, they respected each other even if they did not agree.
Yeah cause they're human beings, the internet has given everyone a skewed idea of how we should behave in conversation.
@@dustinakadustin very true which is actually quite sad. but i mean, those other people where still real human beings but literally had no respect at all or just really distorted views.
It's probably because the people there are actual Christians, acceptance
It shouldve been lgbtq vs muslims (:
@@arijanitrexhepi2215 maybe that will come in the future
I love how the Christians were so respectful to the LGBTQ+. They listened to their thoughts and beliefs, and respected them for who they are. those guys are real Christians and I respect them.
"i think you living your life is bad"
:|
We arenât monstersđ
Yeah, respect is very important. I donât support lgbtq, but that doesnât mean I donât respect them, or thing theyâre lesser. Theyâre human just like I am.
@@brooklynd7046 fr.
@@no.8952 EXACTLY!!!
Thanks for making this video. I hope more of us can come together to find common ground. â€
@Methyl Common ground, vicious sociopathic imbecile.
The understanding and empathy in thus discussion is incredible. Bith are eager to hear and to understand others POV so calm
âConservativesâ but the label says âTraditional Marriageâ and the title says âChristiansâ?
Ikr I noticed that to and it doesn't add up
+Gerardo Yeah like what the hell?
Yea I didn't like how they did that, A christian isn't always a conservative, and vice versa, It's misleading.
@lolol whatt Not everyone realizes that
Marco Diaz Middle Ground clearly has some bias and itâs always clear which side the show itself seems to favor.
Me: pausing every statement to make my own argument
For me I imaging I'm sitting there with them and making arguments đ
memo , yeah its like
âHell noâ
And
âDamm right but-â
And they cant HEAR YOU
@@vigga5375 sorry if I offended you
memo ,
What? Im not offended i agreeđđ lol sorry if i came of as that Way. Why should i be offended?
@@vigga5375 omgđđ I'm sorry too many people in the comments don't get jokes these days I thought you were mad or something
I really enjoyed this conversation. Well done! â€
They did really well. Need more of these for sure
Jesus: "Love your neighbor" , people: "Love your neighbor unless....", Jesus looking down form heaven:*Facepalm
Hey, he took eye off the ball. Left Paul to make definitions, and muck up a simple word like 'natural'.
Plus, further thoughts on Revelations 3:1, Matthew 16:28, and Isaiah 45:7?
chris sonofpear1 heâs making a joke about the fact that a lot of Christians love to use the Bible as this book said so so thatâs fact it say something like yes but this like whatâs heâs saying where your supposed to love your na or and then other people would go yes but heâs so and so nooo. Thatâs why I have a issue with the Bible because everything contradicts its self and it gives every person who is Christian a Calais argument some one gay say being gay is bad because in that 1 place itâs said man shall not lie with a man. When some one who is ok with gay people can say yes it dose that but it also said god loves all and expects all so they doset work. Thatâs kinda of the point he is trying to make
I know. I was kinda being glib about it...
chris sonofpear1 also btw sorry for all the spelling mistakes I type fast and donât really look at what Iâm writing so I just end up writing nonsense sometimes
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i hate when i feel like i would add something to the conversation but i literally can't lol
Why do you feel that way?
@@truthbebold4009 it's a video lmao
Same tho
Same
Noah B yh
I love this. I don't exactly agree with some of the people here, but I won't berate them or push my feelings/opinions onto them. This is the mindset everybody needs to have. (Unless, of course, it's physically hurting you or somebody else.)
It was cool that these folks were respectful of each other. It's a better civility than the past. I'm not in the pronoun police and have never been called on to be specific about gender identity. I honestly don't have any issue calling someone what they like. But if I make a mistake in that arena, it would be an honest mistake and I'll not allow myself to be shamed over it. Evry person deserves the same rights regardless of any type of orientation so long as they are not hurting people. Great conversation and hats off to both sides.
I'm straight and not even Christian, idk what I'm doing here
LMAO same
same lol
Same đđ
Sameđ€Ł
I know what I'm here for đżđżđż
If being gay is a lifestyle then so is being straight.
This is such an apparent statement
@Anaesthetics y e s
ok boomer
Hugh Mungus you clearly do have an issue with it that you need to personally figure out. Itâs normal and observed in other species as well. Animals such as penguins, dogs, elephants, giraffes, goats, foxes, pandas, etc. have all been observed to display homosexual behavior. There are plenty more which I could gladly show you with proof if youâd like. All species from mammals to birds and even to fish can be homosexual which proves that it is in fact normal. Also Iâd like to add that earth is overpopulated, itâs to a point where some people in certain countries are going without food because they have no access to it on a regular basis. There isnât enough room for all of us. Not everyone can reproduce and not everyone wants to reproduce which is natureâs way of attempting to balance us out.
@Hugh Mungus so the reason only reason were with the opposite sex is to reproduce not for love basically and last time I checked love COMES IN ALL FORMS NO MATTERS WHAT
Answer: I am bisexual and Christian.
If you're partaking in bisexual acts, you are not a Christian
@@thegoodfruit719 I am bisexual in the sense that I will love everyone, but I would never take part in homosexual acts. I will ultimately only marry a woman.
@@aayushpatel8304 ok so you are straight, not bisexual
@@menash000
They are attracted to men and women. Therefore, they are bisexual.
Itâs so nice to hear these controversial topics discussed in a safe and controlled environment. These are important things that need to be talked about more often and Iâm happy to see people being respectful of each otherâs beliefs.
can we just say CHRISTIANS ARENT THE OPPOSITE TO LGBT
As a Christian and LGBTQ+ person I totally agree
Christians don't behead homosexuals or push them of buildings.... so yeah, I agree too!
same here! đđđ
@@Alice-su3un indeed
Spartan 506 could I know what mean and why you say that?
It's all about respect, not agreement. Respect others because they are human, not because of their beliefs.
I mean iâm not gonna respect a homophobic racist jerk :/
@@peachypineapples502 ok yeah good point. I meant mutual respect
@@renm7377 Also nice profile pic Iâm also a she-ra fan
@@peachypineapples502 aww thanks yeah it's a great show
@@sk___4206 Of course i know what homophobia is. Im gay myself. And not agreeing with somebodyâs existence is homophobia in my book.
That was so calming
I love this. Kind of thought it was a little short. It was very civil.
this comment is edited so you donât get why i have so many likes and the discourse in the comments makes no sense
Katia well I mean straight chicks constantly assume that I have a crush on them because Iâm a lesbian and Iâm not allowed to see my cousin after I came out so I think you can deal with a little joke
Ligity Digity lol
That dude would be wrong though.. Jesus said that if you even look at a woman lustfully, you already committed adultery in your heart. Therefore, you've sinned. That applies to any gender/sex.
He was basically expressing how high God's standard is, when it comes to what He considers to be sin. It makes you realize that it's impossible for any of us to be sinless. Therefore, we can't be saved through our own works or by being sinless, because it's impossible for any human to be sinless. Therefore we need an atonement that will take our sins from us, so that we may be accepted into a place as perfect as heaven, a place where no sin is allowed to exist.
Changing your mind from sin, and accepting Jesus as your Messiah is what atones and washes you from your sins, allowing you to be accepted into heaven as a perfect being without sin. Jesus was sinless, which proves that He's not just an ordinary man. The Bible says the punishment of sin is death. So since He didn't commit any sin, He didn't deserve death. He had to be sinless, not only to prove that He's no ordinary man, but also so that He could be a worthy enough sacrifice to pay for the sins of all who believe in Him.
It isn't religion.. It's a relationship with the Father through His Son, Jesus Christ.
Lmao she deleted her comment
@@panikslange4571 Are you joking?
That guy broke my heart who was molested when he was 9 years old, you could see how painful it was just to tell about that out loud
I got molested from 9 to 13 from different men and I was a shy kid and weak so I didn't tell anyone about it not a single person and i kept it inside untill I hated all men in the world I wouldn't let anyone touch me no matter what I felt so dirty that I wanted to die and I didn't want to leave home anymore i would cry if they drag me out to buy something untill one time I was talking with my mom in a deep conversation and I started crying and told her she was shocked but harsh she said u are not the only person who had a hard time and no one is like u I broke down deep inside after that but I got better with time and it wasn't easy and I get really sad when I hear that someone experienced this kind of horrible feelings
Ptsd sucks and abused males rarely get validation for it unless you served in the military and can blame it on that
I to was molested age 8 It's made me hetero ace touch I can't do I still like romance but physical love is difficult no child should ever be but that's our job to prevent
@@tytoalba605 yeah, I was molested by a woman at the age of 4 to 5 (she was our house maid at the time), I never talk about this IRL because im scared that that part of my life will just be invalidated because "im a man, i must've loved it", or just straight up calling me a liar.
Nothing TM i am so sorry that your mother did not show you compassion when you opened up. Your pain, your feelings are valid. Always. You should never compare yourself to another being, ever.
They Said I'm Asian you are still a man and you are not weak. Find somebody to confided in even if itâs a therapist.
This was a beautiful topic I really enjoyed the video
This was such a respectful conversation. I love that. :)
All Iâm going to say is in regards to the on the pronoun topic. Iâm a Christian. I am conservative. I have my beliefs. But if Iâm going to expect people to respect my beliefs, then I need to respect theirs. So if someone prefers a certain pronoun, I will respect that. I firmly believe that part of being a Christian and spreading Christâs love is in meeting people where they are and how they need to be met.
Thanks! You're awesome!
I wish all christians were like you but instead some choose to spread hate instead of love. You're so sweet đ
@Janey The Bible acknowledges different kinds of love. The Bible was originally written in several different languages, which have different words that all translate to "love" in English. God loves everyone in the sense that He desires the good for all His creation and He will sacrifice for them and that he cares for them. It's a pure, platonic, and gentle love and it's called agape. The Bible isn't talking about sexual love in that context. The Bible teaches that sexual love is intended for marriage and just like cars are a good thing until we use them in ways they weren't intended for (i.e. hitting a pedestrian), sexual love is also good until we use it in a way it wasn't intended. As Christians believe that God was the one to create sexual love, He also decides what the intended purpose is. That's how we can be for love and also disagree with homosexuality. That doesn't mean that God calls us to be hateful. We are called to love the sinner and hate the sin. It does, however, call us not to pretend that it's good.
@Janey That's rather defensive to be honest. She never even mentioned hell in her comment to you (unless there's a deleted comment im not seeing, if there is, i truly stand corrected). There can honestly never be any agreement between a member of the LGBT+ community and a true bible believing Christian, because you''ll always be on coming from different ideological stand points. That being said, hate (and not in the way we tend to use it today, as in someone disagreeing with an opinion) is absolutely not of God. No one has the right to insult you, most especially if they say they're Christian, because that is not God's way, all speaking and interaction should be done in love. However, love, we forget is not just roses and all as the world puts it. If you're Christian you know that love is patient, kind, not jealous, boastful, or proud. Does not delight in or think of evil, is not easily provoked, does not seek its own, rejoices in the truth, bears, believes, hopes and endures all things and never fails. That being said, someone who is truly acting out of love will never tell you that that lifestyle is appropriate, not to demean you but to bring to your attention the reality of sin. Especially sexual sin, which ins't just confined to the LGBTQ+ lifestyle but traverses all others that you can think of, including fornication.That is definitely not an easy message to receive (most especially if you have no regard for Christianity) and that is very understandable. But someone who truly loves you and is acting out of Godly love, you may find their disagreement hateful, but they truly care about your eternal well being (even if you may think its not important).
Janey I mean, I know my parents believe differently than me. But again, we meet each other with respect and compassion. So if thatâs one thing I took from my own upbringing, Iâm happy enough with that :)
Being mad at someone for being LGBTQ because of your religion is like being mad at someone for eating a donut because you're on a diet.
Edit: I'm not saying that every christian person is mad at the LGBTQ community.
It's more like being mad at someone with asthma for breathing with their inhaler when you're healthy.
Or being vegan while everyone else eats meat
I think often Christian people aren't mad, they are genuinely worried. Like they think we are gonna go to hell, if I absolutely thought someone was gonna go to hell for something I'd try and save them. Obviously they should keep that belief to themselves and mind their own but I think rational, non hateful Christians do often have this worry.
As a Christian who believes the LGBTQ+ is wrong. Itâs not that weâre mad at them. We just donât agree with the behavior.
only if the diet is from god. which itâs not
So refreshing to see friendly, respectful conversation across such divisive issues. Our political leaders do not (maybe cannot) model such interaction. Any of the issues raised could be developed into a full debate....and i wish those who manage this site would consider that.
I really like that in the end, everyone respect each other and even hug between factions, it demonstrates we are all human with different life experiences and perspectives!
Don't confuse patronization with respect. Not the same thing.
Anyone else have a little jerk of anxiety before clicking on middle ground videos?
This is my first, just about to watch it. Been too anxious to click on these before although I've been subscribed for a long time. I always thought the comment section (and rating) was going to be all hate towards one side, "winning" or getting the last word - even if people came to understand each other in the video. Like "uh-uh, never forget this terrible thing, everything is wrong and this side is right and insert depressing views fearmongering here"".
Hedvig I think a few episodes were like that but mostly the participants don't discuss too much to get to the point of anger and frustration, but I always have to mentally prepare myself before clicking the videos anyway.
Lots of anxiety....
Same
Me
Presenter: "Is sex wro-"
Erin: "THAT'S NOT VEGAN!"
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i giggled
Floor gang OUH!
ah yes, vegan sex
thats not VĂGĂĂ
for me i respect the LGBTQ+ community very much
Exactly! I'm an LGBTQ ally, and even though I may not always religious I still do my best to understand people's beliefs and respect them. What I do have a problem with is people using their religious views and opinions as lectures to other people who have a different lifestyle. But what matters is to be civil, and even if we may not agree, to still respect others
this is truly what a conversation like this is like outside of the internet.
People grow balls behind the screen, but in reality, they would put up the argument they would over the internet.
Saying âyou canât do this because itâs against my religionsâ is like saying âyou canât eat this donut because I am on a dietâ
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yes! That's exactly why I hate when people use religious arguments when it comes wether or not being LGBT is good. We get it is your belief, but don't go around being rude to people just because they don't agree with your opinion/belief
Somewhat accurate but a bit off. Assuming not everyone believes that a healthy diet is good for them, the dieter would instead say, "You shouldn't eat that donut because it's bad for you". Note that donuts that give valuable nutrients too, but those with nutritional knowledge would also know that donuts usually cause more problems than they solve when dieting.
Nathan Wan regardless everyone is entitled to their donuts so long as their dietary habits donât directly infringe upon the rights and autonomy of others.
@@somehoe1787 and the same goes to you when people say that it is a sin and that they do not agree with your life style.
I'm still shocked that most of the topics in these videos(Middle Ground) aren't getting as heated as the vegan and meat eater one.
Edit: Yes, I know the Conservative and Liberal video, also the Israelis and Palestinians one were pretty heated too but it was pretty predictable/expected and they listened to what the other side would say more than those mfs in the vegan video
It is a delicate issue so
even still tho that video was pretty chill besides that 3ft tall chick who came to fight
Most people in these videos are very mature. Unfortunate in that video, but most of them in there were mature as well.
that's because crazy vegans are incapable of logic
Lil Smegma thatâs probably the reason. That you canât say you disagree with someone without saying their opinion is bad and they are crazy
Becky made an excellent point with the he/she thing. Itâs not disrespectful and I like how realistic she was
This was a great conversation.
Honestly, I think both Christians and LGTTQ+ are the most loving and caring people but are stereotyped really bad. This video proves my point.
I completely agree thatâs an awesome point.
No every person is loving and caring some don't show it but everyone has a good side
i wished part of me can fully think like that but im living in a christian society tht rlly say no to lgbtq+ :(
Westboro Baptist church anybody?
Christians live up to their stereotype of being hypocritical and ignorant though and im one so I know they do
This was one of the best conversations, no one had extreme opinions that would make the other side feel shut down, and everyone was open to listening.
Zico Tops thatâs how this works outside the internet, there you truly donât want to make another person cry or get rage, because you canât deal with that power
I agree, I'm a Christian (I attend a Baptist church) and I really wish that all of us would respect each other and love each other no matter what we believe. Just because I don't agree with someone on a certain subject doesn'tâ make me any better than them
Also, why blame the Christians? There a ton of religions which has strong views on sexuality. Not all religious people care either.
Zico Tops yeh I loved that
Supernaturally American well it was tolerant until u spoke up. Even they said some sins are less than others meaning some are forgivable. That part just went right over ur head didn't it?
Literally just one of the best channels on CZcams â€ïž
I personally am a devoted Christian, and I believe that this made me feel better towards the lgbtq community, and to love them more!
I love how the blue haired persons name is rad. That's pretty rad.
Luna Barreto I wanna change my name
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i live for mcr
I clicked on this video being prepared for lots of arguing. But they kept it surprisingly respectful.
What about Jonathan?
dont assume
love is love and yes im a christian!
@@melsmothermother208 me too
right
This is probably the only episode Iâve seen of middle ground that wasnât heated!
im hoping ill be able to sign up to have a conversation like this. it was so respectful and calm. and i myself would love to hear everyones opinions on the topic and hopefully find a middle ground
Tell me why there should be a middle ground regarding human rights?
@@goldenretrieverpuppy1859 what? i think everyone deserves rights. i just meant on eachothers opinions.
@@RubitheRacoon But the Christians literally said that gay people are sinning. I'm not sure that is respect.
@@goldenretrieverpuppy1859 at least they didnt start screaming at eachother. everyone involved in the conversation probably had their own opinions and objectifications but out of *respect* all of them stayed quiet. its just basic decency for anyone to respect another person in a conversation. its simple , and these people showed that even if you greatly disagree with eachothers views, you can still talk to eachother with a sliver of respect and calmness.
i will not continue with this any further.
@@RubitheRacoon In my opinion, it is not respectful for someone to tell someone else they are sinning. Its just not.
see how people can discuss a topic, have different opinions, and still be civil?
beatriz No
beatriz *told to be civil because they will be on the internet for all to see
@@katnisseverdeen3641
Seems like you haven't seen the other videos on this channel to where they're not civil at all.
Animation DramaNation im just talking about this one dkdjskjd ive seen the other ones
@@bumblethebea09
I know I'm just joking with you.
This was a really respectful conversation surprisingly
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@@businesscat8158 shhhhh đł
us christians love the lgbtqia+ community! đłïžâđâ€ïž
@@cocoajames5 yes but make sure you donât support it
@@cheyennesheila7709 huh?
these people are so well spoken and respectful and i really appreciated that
This was so nice to seeđ
Being religious doesnât give you a pass for being a prick
Edit: read the comments and my responses before commenting please, what you are saying is nothing someone else hasnât said already.
I agree, but what is the context within the video?
@I'm AnesonOD Wow dang what have you got against an anime dress-up game.
@I'm AnesonOD why does it matter
@I'm AnesonOD bruhhhh
There are terrible people in every group.
If more people could put their differences aside and have these open conversations.... the world would be a better place.
Depression Talks With Immanuel your channel is awesomeness.
could you have an open conversation with a Trump supporter?
Chrishaun orlando You just made me smile:]
jack jonhson Already have. I like having here conversations in a friendly manner. I helps people be more open minded and see different perspectives.
Depression Talks With Immanuel no
Really love that they hug at the end.đ
I really like this channel! And growing up with a southern Christian background and believe in it. I was taught that we are supposed to love the sinner and hate the sun. I just love how yâall conducted the show and how they had a very open mind, much respect, kindness and understanding from other people perspectives.
What if someone taught 'love the person, hate their Christianity'?
Jean Luc is racist
Jean Luc made inappropriate comments to a minor on YT and mentioned his "junk"
homosexuality and/or homosexual acts are not sins
@@kwabee6869They are not immoral. There is nothing wrong with them. They donât harm anyone. You do.
As a Christian I've learned that no matter what just keep on loving people no matter what.
Exactly!!
God loves everybody but hates sin.
Yes! Thats the Point, cus our God identify themself as God of Love!
Exactly, God always said to love and respect each other so why we cannot do it right now?
And spread the gospel
No matter their beliefs, I'm glad they can sit down, have a conversation, and hug it out.
Exactly.
@Jim20 lol okay
Jim20 okay ur the kind of person I really hate... but being the mature person I am. We can just hug it out like lock heart had said...
@Jim20 the brainwashed one here is *you.* I feel bad that you were never taught to love the Lord.
Ariella Kherrington exactly
This is great conversation
7:31 I HAVE NEVER AGREED WITH A STARMENT MORE. I use any pronous and don't feel a need to transition bit like wearing a binder. and nobody can stop me â€
âBecky with the good hair.â
*Amazing words there*
Right. Stan beck
Rymes too
I am a bibble believing christian and here's my take....
God loves every person on earth cause they are his children..he created them....So he love every lgbtq person (as should christians)
BUT God has warned in the bible , that such an action is wrong and a sin...So although christians such as myself do not agree with the LGBTQ communities practices and ideas,,,we love them as god loved us (even though we were sinners and hope that they find GOD.
@@nathanvarghese. homophobe
@@nathanvarghese. nobody asked for your discriminating / close-minded opinion.
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I am christian. But I am not homophobic, I respect everyone, everybody, and everything. You can be lesbian, bisexual, pansexual, etc. I still respect you, and will always.
Me believing and supporting the LGBTQ+ community doesn't make me less of a christian.
Thanks im christian to and bi, I LOVE JESUS!! AMEN GOD BLESS
then you aren't christian because you don't follow the way of christ...
@@gungeternal4119 Just because I am not homophobic doesn't mean i'm not christian. Yes, in the bible it says to not kiss/date the same gender as you, which is bull. Jesus told us to LOVE one another, and that's what I'm doing. I'm loving EVERYONE.
@@kmaeyeah lol
Arthur Morgan also that just means that if have premarital sex or watch porn or anything thatâs considered a sin like anger that we cant be christian because we dont follow gods ways
This is excellent. People are products of their backgrounds. At the end, love, civility and respect is what matters!
Beck is amazing I loved her answers đ„ș
Disagreeing and hating are 2 separate things. Just saying.
Simple and Awesome Anime thousands of dollars in research and I canât find who the fuck asked
Caydenthecuber damn calm down dude.
Pissy Iâm messin bro
Caydenthecuber oh sry lol I thought you got heated for a sec
Pissy itâs aight
THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING. HAVING A CONVERSATION.
QUEENDOM at least they did even that. They could be screaming at each other, but theyâre having a civilised conversation and hearing each other out
PREACH
HAVE THE CONVERSATION THEN
That was so sweet, I'm crying
As a member of the lgbtq+ community and also a Christian I hope more people regardless of religion or sexuality start to see eye to eye and realise we are all human and all deserve love
@Methyl ok? And you think Iâm going to let some stranger in the internet tell me if Iâm a Christian or not. Itâs not very Godly of yourself is it?
@Methyl if you are truly Christian then you know that none of those passages refer to homosexuality. Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 refer to adultery with someone of the same gender, Romans 1:18-32 refers to idolatry and acts engaged in as part of idolatry worship, the sin is idolatry, not homosexuality and 1 Corinthians 6:9 refers to pederasty but that was changed to 'homosexuality' by those that translated The Bible into english. can you guess why they did that?
@Methyl Stop talking, vicious sociopath. If he/she says he/she is a Christian and gay, then he/she is. You need to shut your mouth and open science books.
With all due Christians cannot engage in homosexual acts, you canât be a Christian and openly do such a thing.
@@christopherfox3891 Yes they can, there is no contradiction.