Cross-Gen PS4 Games Still Coming... Is This Bad News For PS5?
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It's almost like these games keep getting more expensive, so they need a larger install base lol
I mean hey, as long as Games release on PS4 they usually run on Steam Deck and Rog Ally, Idc lol
Plus when consoles are more expensive and the economy is in the shitter it helps us
100% facts 🙂
This is part of the reason, the other reason is that it's much simpler than it was previously. Why wouldn't you have your game available to more people? Let's not pretend, we will see a game launched in the next 5 years where the same release version runs on PS4, PS5 and PS6.
I just installed The Division 2 on my 8TB External hard drive. At 120 GB it is one of the larger, ithink only Red Dead Redemption 2 mightv been larger? Then decided to copy it over to internal SSD on PS4 Pro. Have around 70 games or so, in total they take under 2 TB. Investing in an 8TB drive to max out then sending games to SSD isnt that bad, when ssd is so expensive. And id prefer put the rest the money on the next console.
At this point, the PS4 is going to have a longer life than the PS2. COVID really did a toll on the PS5, but a favor for the PS4.
PS2 still has the longer life than PS4
As those users builds their PS4 library, they are more likely to buy a PS5 or PS6 when the time comes. It will still be a win for Sony.
@@gamemannoobthat went over your head didn’t it buddy.. he’s saying that games will STILL BE being made for PS4 longer than the PS2! Not that the PS4 has been around for longer than the PS2 😅
@@KronoriumWell, PS4 still has 2 and a half to 3 years to go.
It's the Remasterstation5. This gen has been underwhelming. Sony released 1 new IP this entire gen and it wasn't even owned by them when it released. Everything else has been remakes and remasters.. And what happened with Jim Ryan's famous quote "We believe in generations" what a crock of b.s.
Returnal is right there, so your comment about them only releasing 1 new IP that isn’t owned by them is bs. “Remasterstation5” lmao
@@Owen01 Returnal is the 1 new IP I'm talking about. They didn't own Housemarque when Returnal released. If I'm being completely honest Sony has released 0 new 1st party IP's this entire gen. There, fixed it for you.
@@fred420 Then your comment is even more b.s than i thought, because Returnal is owned by Sony. Now i’m going to list some new IP’s on PS5. Returnal, Stellar Blade, Rise of The Ronin, Foamstars, Bugsnax, Godfall, Destruction Allstars, just to name some that come to mind. All those are new IP’s, so now what?
We got Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronen... Returnal was great, Final fantasy 16 was great. Even Astro Bot is a reason, which is true next gen with great dual sense support. And only because games are coming to PC later or also on PS4, it doesn´t make the game experience bad. Or do you feel better, only because other people can´t play it ? Horizon Forbidden West and God of War Ragnarök was great too. And then you get all the other games on top.
@@yuragi1454 Again, those are all either not first party games or available on the PS4. PS5 has been lame this generation.
I tend to agree with the idea that smaller devs (or larger ones like Activision) should make their games available wherever they can run. For example like Alex pointed out, on PC, if your system meets minimum specs... you can run it... or rather devs can sell it to you. This is part of the beauty of PC (you can spend thousands to get the cutting edge or you can build a system in line with your budget and needs).
The PS4 also, has the advantage of being the far more optimized than you can realistically achieve off any PC GPU so it can run things that you wouldn't expect equivalently spec low end PCs to run.
Find me this argument for the ps360 error when PS4 and Xbox one came out. I still felt like there was some games that should have been cross-platform
Except system requirements are not necessarily a standard performance-wise. Meaning that " minimum" or "recommended" specs can mean different things for different games. In a lot of cases developers categorize any games that can run at 720p 30 fps as "playable" thus being the minimum
I upgrade my iPhone every 5-6 generations, and my console every 2 generations. There are enough games out there that you can skip a gen and catch up on its exclusives the next go around for dirt cheap.
Smart
Good choice, don't waste money on tech. Right on!
I've had similar thoughts about Switch and Switch 2 in that I have list of Switch games I would like to play (many JRPG's) that wouldn't run out in a long time. Many years of gaming potential on Switch that I wouldn't need a Switch 2 to partake in.
This is exactly what I do. Saves you plenty of money in the long-term as well.
I understand the sentiment, but personally I would rather support the games I believe in. Besides, having spent the 90's to 2016ish either missing out on games I wanted to play or play catchup to older titles, it's nice to stay current. Plus some games do kinda need you to jump in early like Fighting games.
This Console era should become known as the 'Lost Generation'... It seems the PS5/XBX were REALLY only capable of running SLIGHTLY enhanced PS4 quality games at a solid 4k/60fps. However to make them actually look 'Next Gen' developers tried to include advanced Ray Tracing features, which the hardware is just NOT able to handle. Like could the 'Next Gen' games games that actually run well on PS5 (Stellar Blade) at 4k/60fps have worked on PS4 at 1080p/30fpfs?
Yeah, I don't see how Stellar Blade couldn't have run on a PS4 when you got games like DMC 5 running at 1080p 60 on it.
That's false, the graphics are noticeably better. Plus the library of games not on PS4 is growing. In fact, PS4 is d3ad, what's come out in 2024? Also the full graphical potential for PS5 Games hasn't been reached.
@@Alien_isolationist PS4 isn’t “dead”. Persona 3 Reload and Yakuza like a dragon infinite wealth both released for ps4. Both are big budget games with a sizeable fanbase
@@jaredcrane7547 a cartoon from January 2023 and yakuza from January 2024, AA games at best i wouldnt even buy......bro ain't no more games coming its over with.
@@jaredcrane7547 Final Fantasy 16, Spiderman 2, Rebirth, Rise of the Ronin, Helldivers, Stellar Blade, D3ad Space, Jedi Survivor, Metal Gear Solid Trilogy, Robocop, Alone In the Dark, hold on lemme catch my breath.....Silent Hill 2, Lost Soul Aside, Phantom Blade 0, Star Wars Outlaws, Terminator Survivors, Pragmata, Resident Evil 9, none of these are coming to PS4. Imagine thinking they would keep releasing PS3 games through the entire lifespan of PS4.....
Graphics fidelity has started to hit diminishing returns now, what the newer consoles have now are higher framerates and higher resolution, but consoles cannot game at native 4k with 60fps with price constraints. And if you're going past those constraints then you might as well buy a PC. I'd say resolution will also start to get diminishing returns once we go past 4k.
But games still don’t use the geometry engine and ps5s I/O storage architecture
Them garbage consoles can’t even hit 4k native at most games at 30 they are already underpowered and weak.
@@youtubeaccount7544only the 4090 can really do 4k 60 natively, it's not easy or common.
@@bogstandardash3751 Well I'm not too sure if I agree with that. I understand where you are coming from. But I think most games are playable today at a native 4k at like a 3070/80 tier or higher. The issue is when we start adding things in like ray tracing and ultra high texture and memory presets. Developers have always been able to produce graphical features which exceed the current available consumer level of technology. They just wouldn't do it, I assume for multiple reasons. Cost, consumer frustration and confusion at why their game isn't working, time constraints or whatever.
I guess it just depends on how someone views it. Are max settings, RT path tracing and such in the game the intended way to play? Or is it just a bonus? Because again, since devs can always make a game more demanding, hardware will never be powerful enough to run the absolute most demanding games out there. But looking at games released within the past cycle of GPU releases, I think things are just fine.
@@noodles9345 you’re forgetting about virtualized geometry and textures. With this new technology that replaces the traditional LOD process means any gpu that meats the hardware requirements can render infinite details with no extra processing power at all.
This is because instead of rendering an entire asset, the gpu only has to render details the size of pixels. So resolution is quite literally the only limiting factor in graphical processing.
Rather than being happy to enjoy a game on their preferred platform, people worry too much about who else can play the game.
On the bright side, doing previous gen releases might mean fewer devs being laid off if it means keeping a larger team around to work on the last gen versions. Plus, if the engine needs to work on the previous gen it’s much more likely the current gen version will be able to run at 60fps. Seems like a win-win.
PS4 is the new PS2.
People forget that the PS2 kept getting games long after the PS3 was released, it had games until 2013 which is incredibly insane for a console from 2000.
The PS4 is already approaching its 11th birthday and I honestly think it's incredible how it still receives games and I'm really excited to see how long this will last.
It's always like this. In 3.5 years when PS6 drops, PS5 will still get the lesser, PS6 games til end of decade. It does seem like it's taking longer to develop these graphical behemoths, with the 1st half of lifespan over already, but a lot of devs been cookin for 4 years & games will come.
PS: PS4 isn't receiving games in 2024. Name them.
@@Alien_isolationist Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth, Persona 3: Reload, Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown, Granblue Fantasy Relink, The Outlast Trials, Metaphor ReFantazio, Grounded, Sea of Thieves, Sand Land, Broken Roads, Spy x Anya: Operation Memories, Neptunia VS Titan Dogoo, Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance, Monster Hunter Stories 1/2, Darkest Dungeon 2, Asphalt Legends Unite, SteamWorld Heist 2, Little Nightmare 3, Yars Rising and some others.
@@MoonSarito Also the first Red Dead Redemption lol
@@Alien_isolationist...I think top spin 2k25 also launched on ps4..
it is actually a good news for me, that means 60fps on PS5 for a cross gen game is guaranteed, don’t need to push for graphics if the gameplay is nothing next gen
If I had the money, Id get the PS5 to play PS4 and PS5 games. Instead of getting a PS4 Pro or a Slim model. But I dont have the money so I'll probably get a used PS4 slim.
Just wait for the ps5 pro to come out and then the base model will srop
@@Killerboyh this is literally what I'm gonna do. I would have to buy it before GTA 6 tho becouse I could imagine that we will have another Scalper-Era once the literally most anticipated Game of all time and Console Exclusive would rank up those 9th Gen Sales.
I’m perfectly happy with my PS4 Pro because there’s not anything really pushing me to upgrade to PS5.
@@a0meExactly same here! I just installed The Division 2 on my 8TB External hard drive. At 120 GB it is one of the larger, ithink only Red Dead Redemption 2 mightv been larger? Then decided to copy it over to internal SSD on PS4 Pro. Have around 70 games or so, in total they take under 2 TB. Investing in an 8TB drive to max out then sending games to SSD isnt that bad, when ssd is so expensive. And id prefer put the rest the money on the next console.
Same for most people around here on Brazil.
The current generation will start with the release of GTA6, get back to me then.
Alot of people are not interested in GTA6, I'm one of those. Not everyone or not even most are interested in GTA6.
I bought a PC a few months ago and I’ve played through the half life games , Quake 1, 2, Warcraft 3 and Command and conquer remasters all my favourite games in my late teens early 20s. I have played Balders gate 3 as well so 8 20 year old games and 1 current game.
Whats your fave PS4?
the first one?
The slim?
The pro?
Or the PS5?
😂
The Pro and PS5
Tom looks like a villain that has a change of heart.
Me on my PS4 pro still:
This is how I WIN 😎😎 😂😂😂
It's important to remember that many parents play games now. So while the kid has a PS5, dad and/or mom still play on their PS4. Not to mention the premium consoles never really came down to an affordable price for many people.
only got a PS5 early this year because releases started to skip PS4, but I still haven't bought a single PS5 title, still playing free to play games and PS+ Extra games, most of them are also on PS4. The only title I'm looking foward is Monster Hunter Wilds, hopefully we get some exciting announcements in the summer.
I'm still using PS4 Pro
That's still an amazing system I got mine put away never sold it!
Same here !
I got 2 of those but it is a good System because it’s a Pro
I think it’s a great thing, because the graphics on ps4 were perfectly acceptable. Cross gen means that PS5 could get titles that could still have graphics that are fine but will run at higher frame rates.
I agree. Horizon Zero Dawn, Horizon Forbidden West, GoW, GoW 2, Days Gone, RDR2, Ghosts of Tsushima look absolutely beautiful on ps4 for me. I'm personally holding off on the ps5 because of the heat issues and because of the lack of games that I am interested on the platform. Good games matter more to me than high res and fps.
@@CrusaderZealotI agree. If you want better fps and performance, get a pc fr. Console at 30 fps ain’t a big deal. Whether ps4 or ps5
@@johnudie5022PC not getting GTA 6 or Wolverine, or naughty dogs new IP ( hopefully announcing at the showcase) yall always talking about get a PC when PC doesn’t get those First party heavy hitters until years later stop the foolishness
Games are more scalable than ever before. Why not release it?
Bc not having to scale between generations is even better
Well, you can't have true next-gen games like GTA 6 if they stick to cross-gen
Plus this generation is the smallest leap we've ever had sooooo
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How do you know gta6 will truly be a next gen game? There was nothing next gen about gta 5@@RandomGamingMoments925
My most played on PS5 was DVDs, Netflix, and CZcams. Which those things loads faster on PS5.
Of course it's a huge problem. Engagement is not increasing along with console sales.
Afaik the only NEW games coming out on PS4 are either DLC content for existing PS4 games (Elden Ring) or games that don't require the power of the PS5 (small indie games or less graphically intensive stuff). If you're a small indie developer making a side-scroller why limit yourself to only PS5? Completely unnecessary. If your brand new game runs well on the PS4 why not release it on that platform as well?
The PS4 pro is still a pretty good piece of equipment, far more powerful than a Nintendo Switch and also far more affordable right now with an existing massive library.
I think the whole PS4-PS5 is basically Sony's version of how Microsoft is handling the Series S - Series X.
True. I found it odd when Return to Monkey Island came out on PS5/XSX instead of PS4/X1 with backwards compatibility on next-gen consoles.
On the studio side there's still the massive issue of AAA games being insanely expensive and time consuming to produce. We could maybe somehow have a push towards more AA games with average budgets but good dveelopment time, or what's more likely is we'll see more layoffs and a lot more use of AI for stories and assets, so we'll get a lot of basic but generically pretty looking games. Absolutely sucks for consumers and the artistry behind it but money is money to them.
Diversified portfolio this is what big publishers need.
Let’s say one have 500M to spend what is lower risk creating 2 big games that will take years to produce or create one big game and 8 smaller ones 2x10M, 2x20M, 2x30M and 2x40M even if some fail, some will break even but do not earn much some will be a hit with 9 games total there is a better chance of earning that with two large scope projects.
We saw this multiple times big budget games failing, smaller games sure many failed but there were also hits A way out, it takes two, Hellblade and most probably many more.
I do not get what cost so much that spider-man 2 was 3x more expensive than the 1st one, sure this one most probably earned a lot just due to IP but if the budget was kept lower would it earn less or the same amount if it would be the same the profit would be greater.
I don't know, maybe I'm older and whatnot, but I have yet to find a reason to get a PS5. GoW Ragnarok looked like my reason to jump in... until they released it for PS4, and I'm still not even close to beating that game.
None of the exclusives for PS5 have made me go crazy like Arkham Knight did back when I got my limited-edition PS4.
I think 60fps and 4k are the upgrades but they have delayed games looking better. Remember most games on ps4 were 900p and 30fps
@@naumankhan4221080p*
@@naumankhan4221080p*
I guess you're older
@@naumankhan422 900p was on Xbox One, PS4 targeted 1080p
Its not really much of a problem because outside of lower resolutions/FPS caps, theres still quite a few PS4 games that look just as good as current gen titles. Uncharted 4, Drive Club, Bloodborne, and that's not even getting into multiplats like the Like a Dragon/Yakuza series, Red Dead Redemption 2, Batman Arkham Knight, Need For Speed 2015, Doom 2016, ect. Visual returns are just stagnating despite better CPUs and SSDs becoming common place on newer consoles.
Nothing wrong with old consoles. They can still play E Sports style games, GTA Online, Bandai Namco anime games like Sand Land, some fighting games, GT7 and indies. A PS4 could run RDR2 just fine, don't tell me it won't run indie games like Hades 2. Also, the Switch 2 should have specs similar to a PS4, if thats the case, why can't the PS4 continue being relevant?
I also have an old PC, I am currently playing Axiom Verge, Sonic mania and Counterstrike 2. Don't need the latest and greatest HW to play those games.
This one isn't really on Sony or Microsoft but their third Party partners. The ones that doesn't actually need the PS5 specs will keep developing for PS4 until they're no longer allowed to.
At a stretch, you can thank the compatibility with Previous gen games for this.
i think there’s an issue in that so many of the games we’re getting even *can* run on ps4 and xbox one. i know this is an unpopular opinion around here, but this desire to make 4K (or at least resolutions approaching 4K) and / or 60fps standard on these current consoles is holding games back. they’re a definite upgrade from last gen, but not so much that we can be faced with a pick 2 situation and take all 3. if we want 4K and 60fps, what we’re gonna get is essentially ps4 grade games running with a cleaner presentation. nothing new, no boundaries pushed, no new ground broken, just same ol same ol with a cleaner presentation. i’d gladly take my games at a nice 1440p30 (or maybe 40fps where resources allow, that’s a reasonable improvement without getting too optimistic about system capabilities) if it means what i experience is actually new and fresh and couldn’t have been done before
It's about what type of game it is. Teardown is a great optimised game with many features and benchmarks that certainly impress, even fortnite has 60fps lumen with 1400-1800 at most.
@@UltraGreenNo.57 oh for sure. i also hope i don’t come off like i’m suggesting if a game could be done at all on last gen that it’s not doing enough. plenty of the best games of last gen would have been doable on hardware of the previous gen, just with era appropriate graphics. i just feel like the games that actually do much to be new and exciting are way too sparse. at a glance, so many ps5 games just look like ps4 games with settings turned up, cause that’s essentially what a lot of them are. and of course a fair amount of that is also a matter of companies being risk averse and just wanting to retread ground already walked during the ps360 gen. idk i think for me there’s just several factors making this whole generation feel like a nothing burger
@@creativealias85 What I'm getting at is teardown is a inventive simulator which the ps4 is incapable with its hardware as the lighting, physics and geometry are permitted to ps5 tech. We need more of that.
@@creativealias85 And certainly that is true as most games are perfectly fine. The denominator is games are not that cutting edge to suggest that this is something we want. Ps5 versions are still coming out with decade old games just to say "Hey, we are aware these systems exist" with fallout4 and xenoverse 2.
@@UltraGreenNo.57 absolutely! and hell i think even if a game still has overall design that’s still like older games, letting the power go towards more complexity would do a lot more for the visuals than just bumping up the resolution. like, if something like teardown, without a AAA budget, can do what it does with voxels (at least i presume it’s voxels, it very well may be programmed differently, im not certain), then maybe a AAA game could actually simulate smaller particles of dust, debris, damage to enemies, real terrain displacement with footsteps, etc. If nothing else, i feel like that would at least do way more to sell me on a new system with a side by side comparison. as it is, any comparison footage has me either taking DF’s word for it or relying on zoom ins.
Digital Foundry has lead the charge on the idea that cross-gen games == bad. But I don’t see why having a game be scalable across console generations means the game will be worse than a native current gen version. Pc games are highly scalable, and still provide great experiences on the high end. I’ve never heard anyone complain that developers aren’t making pc games that only target the RTX 4000 series….
The problem is that there are limits to scalability, Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart was the first game that couldn't realistically release on PS4. Alan Wake 2 is another example of a game that requires tech that last gen consoles don't have.
We can also look at Avatar that runs between 720p and 1080p 30fps on Series S, scalling back that game further in a satisfactory way to the X1 just isn't feasible.
@@goncaloduarte4683 But it works... it depends on the game. I mean you find a lot more PC gamer with HDD instead of SSD. That is also a huge limitation.
@@yuragi1454 we saw on PC on digital foundry that with the same HDD, one that runs at 5200rpm, the game literally freezes and remember that a PS4 has way less RAM to help the HDD and the CPU power for decompression is way lower than the vast, vast majority of PCs.
@@goncaloduarte4683Alan wake 2 barely looked better than tlou2 on ps4 and actually was worse a many scenarios
@@goncaloduarte4683 PS5 is the new standard, while PC gamer are on HDD (in statistics like steam most PC gamer are on HDDs and weaker GPUs / CPUs), so it is a big bottleneck on PCs side. PS5 and Xbox Series set the new standard. And it was needed. Hope we will see more SDD specs as minimum to play games.
Cross generation games are extremely consumer friendly and I've always been all for them. Old consoles that run well are great to use.
Cross game gens are NOT ruining this generation. Some of the best looking and playing games are cross gen games or last gen games
Sony backed exclusives have a history of looking better and yet again some devs mastered the PS4 before the PS5 came out so yeah, those games get a pass. But other games from EA, Ubisoft or Activision are not that good. So in the grand scheme of things they are not good for current gen imo. Bottlenecks still exist in cross-gen games, and in some cases reusing old assets over a multitude of titles in a series.
yeah rise of the ronin looks less good than AC unity that came out 10 years ago on PS4 FAT lol
Ps5 games are a bloody scam.
This is how you know consoles have really become gaming pcs. Lots of money, incremental improvements
I recon if they lowered resolution to 720p-900p at 30fps we probably could of gotten alot more next gen games that are scaled down. Maybe not right away but like Hogwards legacy for example.
Or maybe use the ps5s geometry engine than can literally work by itself with no dev interference 😮
Most ps5 games are 900p upscaled to 4k using FSR.
You'd have to upscale 480p using FSR but it's not a bad point.
@@bogstandardash3751 thats because the performance modes are just slapped on there with no optimizations
DF's focus on graphical leaps and not having cross-gen is HURTING the industry. It's good that we still have cross-gen games in a time when high-end graphics are expensive both for the consumers and the developers. That games should always target the newest and highest specs is causing a lot of problems. Look at how long it took, and how expensive it was, to develop Hellblade 2 because they switched to Unreal 5.
I am happy the last 3 games I played in my Ps4 Pro (spiderman edition red color) which I owned since 2018 and has a 1tb ssd from day 1, as I removed the built in 1tb HDD and placed 1tb ssd as soon I opened my new console back then. I beat resident evil 4 remake in 1080p 60fps mode, f1 2023 1440p 60fps mode, and currently playing alan wake remastered 1080p 60fps mode. Alan wake and Resident evil 4 remake has option to switch to dynamic resolution 4k mode with locked 30. Same as resident evil 8 village 1080p 60 or dynamic 4k 30. I can't believe the pro with 2.1ghz jaguar cpu is still capable of 60fps games at 1440p few games (mgs5 for example) and tones of games in 1080p 60fps mode even the games made in 2023.
I occasionally see PS4s for sale at Walmart.
Most PS4 to PS5 ports look great...its when the games are PS5 exclusive when they actually look worse
For example?
@@itsmatt517 compare FF7 remake with FF7 Rebirth at 60fps also compare Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth with Jedi Suevivor.... the use of Ray tracing, temporal anti-aliasing and many newer post procesing effectbrequire too much computatiinal power and end up making games look blurry for marginally better lighting and effects. Same for most PC graphics cards anything bellow a 4080 ends up looking like a blurry mess specially at higher framerates.
@@007GoldenLion Oh right, well FF7Rebirth does render big open spaces whilst Remake is largely much smaller confined areas, Rebirth is a much more demanding game to run. I couldn't comment on Like a Dragon as I've never played it, but Jedi Survivor is known to be poorly optimised on all platforms but even so once again renders much larger open spaces than Fallen Order does. Generally speaking games which are more demanding to run may need to turn down the graphics a bit to maintain frame rate.
@@itsmatt517 Like A dragon is open world while Jesi survivor is more closed but end up looking worse and its all due to port pricesing effects like TAA and RT. Performance modes suffer much more than Graphic modes because TAA looks worse the lower the resolution is.
I would say that exclusives are not the only reason that we upgrade console. For me I moved to Series X... To get Hogwarts without issues. Now it is Dragons Dogma 2. For Ps4Pro... I moved to... RTX laptop as... Forbidden West is on PC.
Imagine how much more longevity there could be for the PS4 if it shipped with an SSD instead? Automatically it would play better than Switch games and cheaper to make than aiming for PS5 specs.
Not a lot. SATA SSDs aren't anywhere close to NVMe SSDs and SSDs were too expensive 11 years ago to be built into consoles.
I'm not buying anymore AA-AAA games releasing also on PS4, unless they're absolute masterpieces.
I feel like the reason why I don’t buy as many games as I used to is because I am just not that interested in most of them. The last game I was exited for was Elden ring, which was very good. But I find most big games seems to be part 2 of a prior game, that kind of seems forced just because the last one was successful. So I kind of feel like some of the creativity has been lost.
Hint: it's called the _Global Economic Crisis._
I personally think it’s that there’s so many people that still have a ps4. There’s such a huge market still with ps4 because it’s in so many homes
It has more to do to the fact that Covid delayed games and games taking longer to make, a game that started being made in 2019 is only now releasing and publishers wouldn't risk making a game only for a next gen console that they didn't know if they were going to succeed.
And they say xbox series s is the one holding back the gen.....
@@wilsonfilho531 That hasn't helped either. That's another factor compounding the issue
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To be honest the only true ps5 exclusive so far I’d like to play is Ratchet and Clank (nostalgia reasons) and Death Stranding 2 when it comes out. Lol I bought GoW Ragnarok and Horizon 2 for ps4 that look great by the way but have zero interest in replaying them on a ps5 with some extra pixels and frames.
PS4 is a thing of the past. All AAA big budget games are released only for PS5 in 2024, possibly some sports simulations will be cross gen
I don't think this will happen 100%.
In 2024?
Persona 3 Reload and Yakuza Like a Dragon Infinite wealth both released for last gen. Both are banger rpgs. So yeah, ps4 people are eating good and I’m all for it
@@jaredcrane7547 OK. Do you want me to list which games were not released for ps4 this year and last year? I think you know it yourself. I have nothing against PS4. I think the PS4 era is probably one of the best, after the Ps2 era. But bro, the console is almost 11 years old. it ran out of time. it's just that developers are slowing down in exploiting the full power of the PS5.
@@majstorringoYou don’t have to list off games. You said all AAA games were PS5 & they gave you a few AAA games that also came out in the PS4. Pretty much told you what you originally said isn’t entirely true. You’re chillin
@@joshuatealeaves Yes, I said. You see, they are masterpieces, that I forgot them. My mistake. I should be ashamed. And those two games have greatly comforted ps4 players.👍
If the s is holding gaming back, then what does this mean????
Thats even worse
It’s just semantics, that’s it. No console actually holds gaming back. Gaming exists because consoles exist.
Man, i feel like the whole appeal of "console gaming" is falling apart. Historically consoles were better and cheaper at specific game applications like smooth scrolling 2D in the 80s / early 90s or powerful 3D in the late 90s / 00s, that isn't true anymore. The X360 / PS3 era was the last time a new console was better than anything a PC could do at console launch, and that era is long gone. Consoles used to offer a more simple experience than a PC, goto store, buy game, play game, very easy. Now, there are all sorts of patches and updates on day 1 to fix fundamentally broken games, single player games require you to be online, and you end up having to upgrade storage space like you would a PC. Nintendo still has console exclusive games, but Sony / MS are increasing their cross platform efforts to the point where exclusives are few and far between. The games take multiple years to develop and Every Game Wants You to sink your entire life and wallet into DLC for that single game, and there are hundreds of these games. I don't know. I'm tired man. I think Nintendo will be just fine doing Nintendo things next generation but i think Sony and Microsoft are in for some real trouble. Publishers have spent the last 20+ years chasing hyper realistic graphics like a dog chasing cars, and now that they just about have it, like a dog chasing cars, what do you do with it now? I'm rambling, but man, what a wild ride it's been for almost 40 years of my life growing up watching this entire saga unfold.
TL;DR: Sony and MS are in some real trouble, Nintendo will be fine probably.
Consoles also benefited from Pc massively. The decreasing appeal of consoles is a testament of how accessible Pc has become recently thnx to innovation by Nvidia, valve and MS. Also MS owns the pc they just need to figure a way to monetise it.
I wouldn’t count Nintendo as safe either, cuz increasingly mobile gaming is taking over and it’s not clear what their mobile platform offers that an iPhone doesn’t!
@@sumomaster5585Nintendo is carried by their exclusively (at the moment)
Seems like most big games are next gen only.
But you could still use a old console if you don't care about any new games. You could still get hogwarts legacy if you haven't yet.
There may be a couple small games that will come out in old consoles. But dont expect all new games to come out on xbox one and ps4.
Last year most games were next gen only. (Avatar, robocop and jedi survivor) I can't actually think of any huge game besides hogwarts legacy that was cross gen. I guess dead island 2 was also.
This is Sony's decision, it's not like they have no idea PS4 new games are coming out.
It's not. They've stopped their own PS4 releases apart from annual sports games. If third parties won't follow suit, that's their decision.
A lot of people will be waiting for GTA 6 to upgrade to next gen too
Honestly, they should just have a PS4 update that only works with an SSD. They can just tell people that it's the only way to get a couple more years out of the system. Because there should be no reason people who want to just play a game on a small 720p or 1080p screen to get a game. Maybe even 1440p should be an option on the PS4 pro. Ultimately, let game sales dictate hardware. Sonic mania could easily be on PS2 or 3.
It's not like this that things work. And you can already install an SSD on PS4 and PS3 maybe even on 2.
@@amazingamazigh1538 yes but PS4 games can't take full advantage of the SSD because the system is designed for HDD and that's why it still takes a fairly long time to load. I don't expect PS5 levels of load times, but if the OS on the PS4 could be updated to run differently on an SSD, then it could be noticeably faster. Like 3-5x faster
Sony should embrace the PS4 continued success. Xbox has the X & the cheaper S. Sony could use the PS4 as their S equivalent. Maybe even make a cheap PS4 Pro Slim to be released when the PS5 Pro comes out.
If only the PS Portal was actually a portable PS4 like the Steam Deck… I would buy it at least.
PS4 and Series S is not comparable. You have to consider the old GPU and its API limitations as well as inferior IPC in both the GPU and CPU. Old architectures will always hold back innovation.
Most cross gen games at this point are mainly budget Japanese rpgs.
Keep up with info. Square did not dool well with FF Reberth. Prob cause of exclusivity. AND at nearly $80 per game current gen consoles. There is mountain of retro games good retro games that are just now getting the attention they deserve.
How can you even TRUST Jim Ryan when IT cones to Playstation Sales!?
One reason is that Nintendo Switch is a huge market. Developing a game compatible with Switch, automatically can run on PS4 and PS5.
If the priority is 60fps over more advanced games. Then it's essentially a non issue.
Ps4 games that were enhanced on ps5 will be 60fps
Soooo... Why a PS5 Pro!? I mean, besides "buy new product"?
I’ll take a cross-gen game like Lies of P over some next-gen abomination the likes of Lords of the Fallen any day!
looks like ps5 still has less games than ps4 did in 4 years (native only)
For sure less titles from Sony.
Dev make games for PS4, at the same time can't make a game for XSS despite being more powerful.
Any specific examples of games coming out on PS4/XboxOne and the developers struggled with getting it running on SeriesS?
@@itsmatt517The PS4 is still capable thanks to the GDDR5. I have an Xbox one with an SSD but it struggle to play Fortnite. Meanwhile on PS4 it still runs like a charm.
@@raychii7361 I was asking about if they struggle to run on SeriesS not XboxOne
@@itsmatt517 Any example? Please
@@raychii7361 I was asking for examples because I have none.
most indie games should be targetting PS4/Xbox One hardware because they get that player base plus the people playing newer consoles with backwards compatibility. only games towards the higher end of the scale need the extra power of the new systems.
PS4 infamous first son and the order 1866 graphics are still awesome. These games are more than ten years old,
I have had a PS5 since year 1 and I still buy more PS4 games than PS5. The library is just massive and I haven't been super impressed with PS5 exclusives
No point in buying a ps when the games coming to PC
@@Unicornpirateyeah but u gotta wait years before they come to PC
@@jermainejey That's fine. Most PC gamers are patient and already have a great enough library of games to play as it is. Also it depends on the game. Death Stranding came out only 6 months after the console release. And when the game does drop on PC, its the best version of the game ala GTAV.
@@Unicornpirate are you sure it’s the best version of GTA V I’m pretty sure the PS5 and Xbox Series versions have ray tracing which the PC hasn’t unless it’s been updated and I missed the news.
@@Rich0029Ray tracing dosen’t beat mods lol.
All I'm gonna say is the og RE4 was a marvel of graphical power. I believe re4 remake did not give me the same feel, and I think the reason why is because the game was still made for ps4
As someone who owns a PS5, it sure doesn’t feel like it. You could tell me it was the PS4 Extra Plus and I’d believe you. This "next gen" is current gen by several years and it still feels like it hasn’t started. It just feels like the PS4 generation with a slight upgrade. Quite frankly both Sony and Microsoft have shit the bed this generation. Pretty much the only console truly doing great for the past few several years is the damn Switch, and that’s running on tech so old it belongs in a museum.
I own a Switch and it's fantastic. All the exclusives have been bangers. Im waiting to see if GTA 6 is cross gen or not before getting a PS5.
Not really a jump is it.
8th gen still holds up from a visual perspective, until Hellblade 2 come out The Order 1886 is still the best looking game.
Makes you question why they making ps5 pro when they have no decent library. Remake or remaster the ps2 lineup. Twisted metal please or even a manhunt.
Because there’s a slew of games coming out later this year and 2025 that garners a pro metal gear solid delta, Resident Evil 9, GTA 6, Wolverine, Max Payne probably coming late next year or early 2026 plus whatever is revealed at these upcoming showcases.
Sony messed up with their plan for online games ... luckily for them 3rd party studios have saved the year so far .. the only games that someone can consider for to upgrade are helldivers 2 , final fantasy and few third parties like cyberpunk 2077 . I do not think 3-4 games are enough for to spent 600 pounds .
PS4 is a 1080p 30fps Monster.
155 Ps4 games have the free 4k/60 fps upgrade for Ps5 and the fast ssd is worth it alone .
As a PC gamer I see this as a win
I'll jump from ps4 to ps6 just as I did from ps2 to ps4. But that depends on how sony does in the future because they currently do not impres me with the ps5 and its games.
I got the PS4 pro for 90$. So I can wait for the PS6.
Sony realized their games are too expensive to make just to release it on one platform especially that the ps5 sales are still not impressive so they will try to maximize the profits even if it means not creating a new standard for graphics fidelity
I don't need a PS5, I have a 2TB SSD PS4 Pro
If next gen is the logical progression of this one, it will largely be DOA.
Jim ryan said ps2 sold 160 mil
They successfully sold PS5's faster than they could make then while still profiting off sales from games to PS4 owners. Now that things have slowed down, they will see a boost in PS5 sales with the Pro from customers who were waiting or are trying to pick up the Base model at a discount. I've started to notice games that won't see a PS4 release for the North American region. The choice will be to import the PS4 versions for more or get a PS5. I'm happy to pick up a PS5 Pro. My son will then be able to bring my PS4 and his games to his mother's house and will also be able to remote play PS5 games from it when he is there.
I believe PS5 is gonna have support going into 2033 if PS4 can hang on this long.
Yeah, also because it will be hard to justify a jump to PS6 for most normal user, if PS5 is running and looking good with most games. Tbh... it doesn´t matter if a game runs at 1080p, 1440p or 4k. 8k failed on the TV market as well. Sure, the time will come, but it really needs so much more time. Bigger player base is more important in future. And even when 8k is there, games will probably be better at 4k and upscaled. So games and gameplay should be the focus. Which is great.
good , that means i ll keep my PS5 till 2032 ...
This generations feels like a New 3DS situation, and that’s kinda of sad
Most current gen games look like PS4 games with the addition of 60fps. Only a few games really look like new gen.
Ps4 was a beast and played the majority at 1080p. The gaybox series s still delivers 900p 😂😂😂
Attention seeking kids award
I think what DF keep forgetting is we are in a cost of living crisis, people are being very selective with the games they purchase, and as good as the ps5 is, is it really that much of a leap over the ps4??? Not really, but for alot of people gaming is a luxury that can wait there are price cuts.
It’s not a bad thing because if they didn’t have to optimize them to get them to run on the ps4 then everything would be 30fps again.
I bought myself a PS4 slim for my birthday this year. I want a PS5 but I can wait.
They should be making PS4 games within PS4 spec...hell exclusives even...THEN port it over to PS5 with enhanced whatever
theres a lot of ps4 users till this day who cant afford ps5 yet and games for ps5 is so expensive...
At this point im done buying PlayStation/ xbox consoles. The exclusive lists are sooooo small its just not worth it to me. At the rate of development for the big games coming out ill be on to the next console waiting and waiting. Or in a next phase of life. I've jumped to pc for a higher end experience in the visuals department. Consoles are still a great bang for you buck compared to a pc and even more so if you havent played a majority of their catalogs. A series s or x on sale is a crazy deal.
The only unique benefit of current gen to past (obviously besides more power) is the speed. More games (like ratchet and clank rift apart), utilise the speed of the consoles to deliver something that either required a ton of magic or at a smaller scale.
Sort of like how Spider-Man 2 could have a larger map and around x2 travel speed due to the map being able to load quickly.
But most games being released are still ‘conventional’ and don’t exactly require the extra speed besides quality of life.
Like people said, graphically, there is the diminishing return. There’s still enough advancements that the ones pushing graphics on the 5 look better than 4. However, as the gap continues to decrease, the art direction becomes ever the more important (not that it never was). But due to this, what current gen needs to do to make it worth to an upgrade is producing games that can only be played on it (or a pc with good SSD).
And a possible idea for Sony (Xbox seems to be aiming for services), is making a PS4 portable. An issue with handhelds before is a completely different version had to be made or ported. But what if a portable which is literally just a sized down ps4 is made? There’s already a huge library of good games and still many cross platforms being made. And we can see performance close to (maybe to the same level?) the ps4 by the ROG Ally and GO. And with it, maybe add some unique features, like people playing on it can connect to PS5 and play split screen games without needing to actually split the screen on the main display.
There are already way more powerful than ps4 handhelds like Rog Ally and Go.
The only thing that would make a playstation handheld relevant thus appealing is if it has unique features mostly related to the ps5.
Obviously the games don't need the speed because they're being made for last gen.
I got a PS5, also a PS4 Pro.
In one way, happy my PS4 friends still get games. Even if 30fps 1440 etc...
In another way, that is indeed money and time spend not on a PS5/Xbox Series path.
If it's an Indie or AA game that doesn't need the extra muscle of the PS5 then why not ship it on PS4 and save the space on my PS5's SSD.
high graphical fidelity for every major release isnt sustainable anymore. sony needs companies making smaller games on lower budgets that maybe dont push graphical fidelity to the edge. i feel Gamers™ are partially to blame, because i feel if sony did put out like a 3d platformer, or a 2d platformer or some sort of game that isnt full of ray tracing and high poly counts, people would attack them over it like "oh the ps5 is terrible and has bad looking games".
it's kinda sad because if you look at the ps1 and ps2, it has so many unique experiences, nowadays every sony game is the same formula of "games that want to be art but feel like they're too ashamed of the fact they're video games" since the last of us.
i dont want another 7 years in development cinematic third person game full of ray tracing and graphical effects, i want an ape escape game. i want a game that has an interesting idea in terms of game play, or an established genre that playstation doesnt really go for anymore like metroidvanias or platformers. instead it's just the same slop, especially with "live service" games that nobody is going to ever play being put out every 2 seconds. "AAA" games have been getting incredibly stale, very few of them stand out anymore
Current gen has just begun. No need for a PS6 yet, if Sony releases a new console in 4 years, as they're planning, the improvement will be minimal. I think they should focus instead on building a handheld that can run PS4 games, that would be awesome.
I'm still playing PS4. I've recently bought two new games for PS4, and I've got older games to play as well. There is not much on PS5 available for me that stops me playing the games on the PS4. And of course Iv'e got plenty of GameCube games that I want to play as well. No time for PS5.
I just picked up a PS5. I got 4 games and that’s all I could find. Maybe a couple others but my ps4 library stands at about 400 titles
I mean .... I didn't upgrade to a PS5 because I went with Xbox this gen. So I'm glad I've gotten to play a lot of games on my PS4.