Why Do Some Xbox Games Look/Run Better On PlayStation 5?
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Remember back when it was all about the Tflops.... fun times
Remember when it was all about bits
@@DrJones20 8bit:)
@@binarycode9893 16 bits ftw
@@binarycode9893 bits not 8bit
I think MS was warning us that their new Xbox would be another tera flop. There was a space between the words nobody noticed.
Is the mark cerny sauce
Isn't it because Playstation uses a dedicated low level API? And their tools are not tied to direct x. on top of making a console with custom I/O that helps it hit above its on paper specs when compared to a PC/Series X.
Thissss
Dude just stop with that I/O bullshyt. What does that have to do with what they are saying?
@@sleasy01 In what way is it bullshit?
Maybe, but DirectX is well known and pretty good, also low level API in version 12. I would rather choose something that even the PC uses not just a single console.
The hardware is more or less equivalent but PS5 has better software/API if developers have the expertise to utilise them. But it’s a bit of a non-conversation. Any highly skilled developers should be able to get equally good results on both.
no, not exactly
The PS5 Pro will be more close Of the Xbox Series X because it is going to have the same CPU frequency (3.8Ghz), almost the same RAM bandwith (560 vs 576Gb/s), and almost the same number of Compute Units on the GPU (52 vs 60) than Xbox Series X...
@@OriginalEdition-fo4nuMore close? Lol, they won't even be in the same league. The PS5 & Series X are really close.
@@OriginalEdition-fo4nu Except... you've really tweaked those numbers and misinterpreted their meaning.
The PS5 and Series X are already pretty much matched for CPU speeds (3.5 Ghz vs 3.6 Ghz). RAM speeds are deceiving since Series X has two RAM pools (one at 560 GB/s and one at 336 GB/s) versus the PS5 using a singular 448 GB/s RAM pool (with the PS5 Pro rumored to have a singular 576 GB/s pool).
And since the PS5 Pro GPU will be a 7000-series AMD GPU (presumably a slightly downclocked/tweaked 7800 XT) which is massively faster than the 6700 XT-ish GPU in the Series X. GPU core count is hardly a good comparison when those cores are completely different from different generations of GPUs.
@@eruannster I just talk about design. With the PS5 Pro, they have made the choice to have the same CPU frequency, the same video RAM bandwith, and a high amount of Compute Units that probably will be slower than the regular PS5, for heat reasons.
Xbox Series X already adopted that design 4 years ago with higher memory bandwith, higher CPU frequency, and higher number of CUs, instead of the PS5 design that lower the 4K version of the games on consoles with lower CPU frequency, lower memory bandwith, and much lower number of CUs.
Oh and by the way, Xbox Series X can already run at 3.8 GHz (yes without SMT, but is SMT really a thing in most video games ? I am not sure.
Xbox Series already have 10 GB of video RAM at 560Gb/s (and 2.5 more GB at 336 GB/s). How many games require over than 10 GB of memory, particularly with features like Sampler Feedback Streaming that reduce the video game RAM required by 3... ?
@@OriginalEdition-fo4nu You are talking about design without understanding it.
I would say most modern game engines use SMT (hyperthreading, assigning multiple CPU threads to single physical cores) as most PC use it and the PS5 always runs with SMT on.
Series X didn't "adopt a higher memory bandwidth", they use split memory (10 GB faster, 6 GB slower) which occasionally helps performance but also sometimes causes performance issues (when games run out of fast RAM). PS5 Pro will be faster overall. Then again, RAM speeds aren't really a huge bottleneck right now.
And again you misunderstand core counts and different generations of GPUs - the PS5 Pro is set to use a 7800 XT-like GPU which should be able to run the same operations at lower clock speeds. So a 2.5 Ghz PS5 CU might perform the same work as a 2 Ghz PS5 Pro CU becaus the architectures have improved, meaning they can lower clock speeds, add more CUs *and* gain faster performance.
I can't speak to the specifics of how much performance is gained with Sampler Feedback Streaming, but I doubt it just magically makes all games use 3 GB less VRAM in all scenarios (and I can't find any information corroborating that number - the best source I can find just says it saves "up to 2.5x multiplier" which is unspecific and vague. 2.5x multiplier of... what?).
Xbox still doesn't have an ML-powered/DLSS-like upscaler, which the PS5 Pro is rumored to include (PSSR).
Seems DF has been mysteriously confused this entire generation.
we all have lmao
For the fun of it LISTEN to the pre release talks of Sony and Xbox. I truly don't see how these consoles are what they were talking about. Just a big joke.
what does metal gear solid and screen-on time have to do with it running better on ps5
It's the power of the cell
I wouldn’t even be surprised if Minecraft gets an official RT implementation on mobile before Xbox (and PC)
Don’t attribute to malice what could be incompetence. 🤣 😂
Is that why they are always confused about why their predictions didn't pan out?
Maybe the devs are doing it to kinda nudge Microsoft, lets for a second say it was intentional? Maybe right… creepy theory.
The incompetence point is an important point to consider. Anyone that's played the game since launch has noticed that strange oversight from Rare. Rare historically made single player games, this new 'live service' model is new for them as a whole.
Did you ever do a comparison of MLB the show on both consoles?? Be interested to see if/how Sony handled optimising the game for each machine.
yep they did. i think 2 years ago
Looking at the shadows, more softer edges looks better than hard edges that are aliasing.
Yeah, it's interesting because it seems like alot of people's viewpoint flips on this- high res shadows with sharper lines are what they strive for with baked lighting where as if there is ray tracing the biggest difference is softer diffused shadows... kinda flip flops. I agree that softer looks better, more in line with natural lighting and what more expensive tech provides
@@SKLLZTHATKILLZ I would like the shadows to be sharp with soft edges, that gives the best image. I remember Farcry 3 was that the one in Africa? Had cool shadows under the trees.
Without getting too much into it, the PS5 was brilliantly engineered. It’s an i/o throughput monster. Sony focused on the speed of the communication in between the hardware more than the power of the hardware itself. And they made individual purpose built chips, one of which is the tempest engine that processes all the sound. This takes the load off of the cpu, gpu etc. They also opted for higher clocks instead of simply beefing up the hardware. Not to mention Sonys API being miles ahead of Xbox’s api, which is crazy considering “software” is Microsoft’s bread and butter)
The result is a console that makes the MOST with what it has, it’s a console with literally no bottlenecks, and it’s able to punch above its weight because of all of these things.
The Xbox series X’s architecture and configuration is more standard, like a pc, there’s really not much special console secret sauce in it, that ended with the Xbox 360. Microsoft is capable of building unique architectures, but I suspect they’re trying to turn Xbox into a pc platform, so the hardware will unfortunately have to become more and more standardized(pc like).
The secret sauce is why I’m more fascinated by console hardware than pc.
Sony definitely found themselves a hidden gem in hiring Mark Cerny, dude is a genius when it comes to building computer architectures. I know there’s other engineers involved, but the overall direction that started with the ps4, is all coming from his mind. Sony better hope that Microsoft doesn’t try to recruit him or some other company that wants to build a quantum computer 😂
But PC is better than PS5 all PS5 games look and run loads better on my Pc so why is xbox being more PC like a bad thing? it obviously isn't like a PC. Which is why I sold my series X and built a PC which is loads better.
@@Steelninja77 PC is miles better and leagues ahead…that’ll be $10,000 sir, have a nice day 😂😂😂
“Am I a joke to you?” - CPU bottleneck
@@easyDoes1T85 there’s not really a cpu bottleneck in either console. They have pretty good CPU’s actually. I’m not saying it’s the most powerful cpu but the cpu on ps5 doesn’t really hold it back imo, it matches the hardware it’s paired with quite well, the gpu can still be fully taken advantage of with that cpu. All of the hardware is well matched unlike last gen, where there was very clearly a cpu bottleneck and those gpu’s could’ve done much better if they were paired with a better cpu.
@@Steelninja77What is your PC? Especially if it was built recently, your GPU costs more than the PS5 alone
Is it too difficult to just state the obvious? That ps5 is the better engineered console?
That would be a 5 second video. Some of it’s hardware and some of it’s software. DF is trying to say exactly WHY.
The PS5 really should have got a better CPU. Bottleneck is real.
The PS5 would be better if they just gave it the updated processor. Which is why PS5 pro should exist.
@DFClipsChannel can you guys please do a video on Orcs Must Die 3? There is an umbelievably MASSIVE difference in both visual quality and perfomance Xbox vs PC. On series X it looks like a PS3 game and this game isnt pushing any recent tech
Rich’s last statement was so on point he went in for a sip.
Sipping and serving the tea
Xbox may have blurrier shadows but thats more realistic.
Satya Nadella has final say. He wants to be a games publisher first and foremost. I don’t think he cares about being a platform.
Honestly, he doesn't care. And why should he? Azure will keep growing and will eventually dwarf gaming by many orders of magnitude than it already is.
He did once say that XBox is its cool consumer product. It fills a market mindset that its software is unable to.
But, I guess if you want to keep regurgitating stuff you hear from gaming nerds... That's cool.
Same idiot that created Azure didn't have the foresight to look at mobile and see the need to compete.
I took that from an interview with Satya. Thanks though.
I said this elsewhere but I actually tried Sea of Thieves recently on PC and I wanted to like this game but it's just too tedious solo. I have to try and keep an eye on the map in the cabin while steering the ship to make sure i'm going the right way for a quest and it's too much to manage on my own, it's a shame because i went in wanting to like this one, oh well, can't win them all (i can definitely see a great game here if i had some friends to play with but unfortunately i don't :(
Just get good 🤷♂️
Yeah, it's super boring. Rare hasn't made a good game for a long time.
Yeah game would be so much more popular if it was more solo friendly. They try to cater to the typical streamer crowd where everything has to be played with others
Xbox hasn't released a banger in 10 years that's why it's shite...
@@SeriusPBthe gameplay, you mean 😂
Maybe the xbox Serie x security (hypervisor + windows security mitigations + windows itself +dx12 ) are heavier than a sony bsd operating system + gnmx api. Ps5 has already been hacked... xbox ones and xbox series not.
Its all that hard to process. Can we go back to bit wars?
But how do you explain the multiplats(not all of them) being better on PS5 since the begining? An engine thing too? Well... I dont believe it.
Bigger player base on PS5 = more dev time for PS5 = better rendering on PS5 (at least at launch)
Much higher clock frequemcy on the individual CU's
Being better ?
Not the case on Grounded, on Alan Wake 2, and more...
The main issue is that devs' optimize more their games for PS5 because it has the weekest hardware for 4K versions Of games and a bigger number of sold units.
@OriginalEdition-fo4nu OK, so a few games. The Series X has split bandwidth, far lower GPU clocks and more CUs that are harder to fully utilise.
Also, your reasoning is dumb. The Series S is the weakest console by a long shot, not the PS5.
@@RandomGamingMoments925 Yes the Xbox Series S IS thé weekest but it does not have to support the 4K version of games. The PS5, yes. The PS5 is the weakest for the 4K highend version of games. And it probably lower games optimization by preventing dev' to use the extra power of the Xbox Series X.
The split bandwith is for only 2.5 GB of memory bandwith. The games Can first use the 10GB of memory at 560GB/s
It’s a strategic move imo
Because they had the time and money to make adjusts in hindsight post launch
Explain Fallout4, COD, Madden etc.
Ms befits PS5 for marketing reasons.
@@reelroyalevizion800 Madden is made by EA and has nothing to do with Xbox. Fallout 4 was made years before Bethesda was acquired by Xbox, same with COD.
@@acurisur copium won’t win here brother, it was more powerful on paper and that’s it just on paper it didn’t translate to the real world. So are you saying they purposely made it worst on Xbox? Or did Xbox hold back all multiplats due to having to make it run well on the S? I actually thin the latter is true when you see a PS exclusive irl you can’t deny that it looks almost twice as good as Xbox exclusives. I have both and between worst running and the controller feeling like a child’s dollar store toy my X is called Ching major dust🤷🏾♂️
@@reelroyalevizion800 Ok troll, I have both consoles as well. Never heard such utter drivel in my entire life.
Please explain then why Mortal Kombat One runs at a higher resolution and maintains 60fps on Series X?
I'll tell you a secret: The teams are asked to do their best so fundamental pitfalls & characteristics emerge to observe.. to do otherwise would hide the competitions True Strengths from our consideration.
I do also want to posit that it may just be an architectural design quirk about PS5 vs Series X that makes the former better in some instances.
We sometimes see cases where PS5 overtakes Series X, which near launch this was excused as "Oh late Dev tools for Series X" but seeing it crop up consistently more and more and then with MS's own titles having similar behavior makes me think it may be a side-effect of the 2 big differences between Series X and PS5 beyond the raw size of the GPU.
Series X is wider and slower with clocks, while ontop of that segmenting memory. You are limited to 10GB of full-speed memory that's focused for the CPU and high-priority CPU tasks, meanwhile the other 6 are for the OS and intended for the CPU. So not only is the OS bigger and taking more residency in memory, but you have far less flexibility for good GPU-memory feeding.
Meanwhile PS5 is Narrower and faster with clocks, while having a truly unified memory setup. Meaning the ~14GB of memory addressable for the Devs can be distributed however the devs want. Which in my mind could explain the better LODs in Sea of Thieves and Grounded. The games are built for the OG Xbox One running Jaguar. So, the CPU Memory Footprint is probably very small all-things considered. Potentially allowing the ability to allocate more memory to the GPU without causing a problem.
And then there's UE4 being generally favorable to higher clock devices rather than wider-form devices (We see this manifest a lot with RDNA2 vs Ampere comparisons unless DLSS and RT are brought in). The PS5 has less warps and Scheulers, but UE4 doesn't demand those warps unlike UE5. So, speed of calculation matters a bit more, allowing the PS5 a bit more headroom theoretically.
Now that explains Hi-FI and Sea of Thieves being overall improved. And goes partially to explain Grounded's Higher LODs but makes the res and performance situation there more confusing considering it's the odd-one out of the 3 UE4 titles so far on PS.
To be honest, aside maybe Ray Tracing (if memory constraints are hit in the case of Series X), I do think UE5 titles should consistently favor Series X however. UE5, especially with Nanite/VSMs/and Lumen. Seem to ram a ton of operation requests at all times, which could give Series X enough breathing room versus PS5 in some scenarios (afforded by the higher warp/scheduler count), to give room for performance or graphical improvements on Series X.
The thing with Unreal 5 is how much data its constantly streaming from disk. I'd imagine that the dedicated I/O chip on the PS5 combined with higher SSD throughput evens out the performance the PS5 may lose to the Xbox's wider architecture.
I enjoy both consoles. So, are they supposed to make the games run worse on the Playstation just because it is a competing platform? There could be many reasons why. Are gamers really sitting at home worrying about this?
I doubt the vast majority of them don't worry about it just like the vast majority don't care about the odd frame drop in a game that happens here and there that they can't actually see.
Could be that the PS uses a more efficient API.
The thing is if you bought sea of thieves on PS5 you’d not know any difference on the Xbox X unless you watch a comparison video
Yeah that's how knowledge works. If you don't know something you don't know something.
You can say that about aloot of games that run slightly better on any of the two consoles
@@Szanth hes saying youd need a literal side by side to KNOW the difference kinda like "coorprate wants you to find 5 differences between these two pictures"
@@xandypunk7350 exactly
1:12-1:15 is the answer. It's not better. The end
Grounded isn't, the questions are probably about Sea of Thieves and Hi-Fi Rush
Cry harder, Xbot.
It is better. Cry harder fanboy
My honest opinion on any of the issues revolving around the Xbox series consoles is that the games that come out, they must be optimized for the lower series S console and seem to lack the major impact that the series s has on the series x. Runny games on the series s with 4k 60fps and series x with 4k 60fps doesn't have a substantial drop in performance across either console. So being said, forcing optimization on series s hurts series x. Ps5 is one console so no issue there.
This is absolutely a factor
I don't agree with what Richard is saying that every XGS games the Xbox version needs to be better no matter what just to match their message. It should be optimized for all hardware and which ever version comes out better is what it is.
It's the same as saying a AMD or Nvidia sponsored game should always be better on the sponsored hardware or omitting the other upscaling method just to follow your messaging which no one likes and shouldn't be the norm.
So if the PS5 version of these XGS games end up looking better or playing better, so be it. They shouldn't be held back on purpose like what Richard said just to make their own hardware look like "the most powerful console"
That would make sense if the console were equally powerful, but their not, xbox is quite a bit more powerful, which makes these comparisons even more embarrassing
@@markedone494 why do you think Xbox is more powerful ? Because one spec number is higher ?
Faster io, faster SSD, no split ram nonsense and real world results show PS5 is the stronger performer
And let's not forget the series x isn't the baseline console that's the series s , becomes a farce as soon as you start comparing that garbage to the PS5
Seriously if anyone is considering an Xbox just get a PC
Go do one
Can’t up it on X and still have it comparable to the S whenever they discontinue the S they can start winning but that’s right it’s way more S’s sold than X seems quite the conundrum… the S is why MS is now a publisher I wonder how good Gears /Halo will look and perform🤔guess we’ll find out around Xmas
PCs scale also, the consoles basically just relatively dated PCs
The differences are certainly interesting given how similar the hardware is. As much as I like the PS5 and think Sony did a very impressive job with it, I really admire the internal design of the SX. It’s so compact and a great piece of engineering.
Totally missing the point. 🤡
@@Henriette187 not really, I addressed the point in the opening sentence. I then went on to make a different point. Sorry if you find it difficult to keep up.
PS5 is better engineered
What are you even saying internally the series is is the worst designed machine I've ever seen, theres not even propper airflow it looks like tetris blocks stacked , sorry Microsoft did a way better job with older consoles in terms of internal design than this
It's the opposite though, the Xbox APU is much bigger than the one on the PS5 and delivers the same performance, that's bad design for the Xbox. It's so badly design that if they don't move to 6nm, the PS5 Pro APU should be slightly smaller and cheaper to manufacture than the one on the Xbox Series X while being significantly more powerful.
1:27
LODS? LOL!!!!
6:20
So youve proved MS's reasoning. Well done.
About time, this is something that has to be addressed.
I think everyone owes Mark Cerny an apology. He was right.
PS5 does it again 😎
I think it's more likely oversights or a rushed port, but another explanation for the settings changes is they are deliberately sacrificing performance for visuals. Activision blizzard was a massive merger, and one concern sony brought up was "what if the playstation versions look worse?" Microsofts recent strategy in general business is acquisitions like open ai and github, so there could be pressure to make the playstation version look better to show regulators that they are following their demands, performance be damned. A rushed port is the more likely culprit though.
Sea of thieves a first party tittle built for the Xbox. What is the excuse with that. Fallout 4 which looks significantly better and run perfectly on the PS5 not the Xbox version for the next-gen update! 😂
@@jasonprendergast7493 Bethesda is an entirely different conversation they don't know how to optimize shit. I would bet some bug broke the next gen version on xbox since the xbox version is closer to the pc version.
I'm sure Ryan Miller can weigh in on this topic.
My some they mean most.
I still can't believe DF is STILL pretending to be aloof about this..
Well, when games run better on PS5…it’s because of lazy development. They don’t want to point their finger at that issue too harshly.😂
There were plenty of games that ran better on Xbox than PS5 before, especially in the first few years.
@@deathtrooper2048 Not really, from the start PS5 already had the best multiplatform versions. They’re just a few games on Xbox that run slightly better and higher res. But most of the MP games are the same or better on PS5. You just have to consider how hard the power narrative was pushed, while almost no game shows any “WOW” compared to the PS5 version. From launch out of my head, Asscreed, Dirt 5, CoD etc were all better on PS5.
@SnakeNL24 Running slightly better with a higher res is more of a win than better shadows. Some games like Hitman 3 ran at 4k on Xbox vs 1800p on PS5. COD Cold war ran at native 4k with raytracing while the PS5 version would drop the resolution more often (though the 120hz mode was better on PS5) and that's despite the deal with Sony (which activision has a history of making the console without the deal run worse).
@@deathtrooper2048 slightly better was no win for Xbox with how they handled the power narrative. If Hitman is the only game which shows a bigger difference after 4 years, then it’s still a bad look for Xbox. Xbox had a higher res in that game but the performance was wat better on PS5. Cold war was not native on Xbox. In fact it had better graphical settings on PS5 and higher fps. Both were dynamic 4K. So yes if after 4 years the xbox can’t show anything worthwhile over the PS5, that’s just embarrassing.
Shouldnt logically since the og Xbox should’ve always had way better graphics since they have more cash to put into their system compared to Sony?
There’s no way anybody can tell me we couldn’t have had pc like power in a console from the last gen
Only if Microsoft was willing to lose more money per console but they have other services to worry about.
Haven't bought a Xbox Series yet and the more I see I'm inclined to skip it and opt for PC only until Xbox makes some better hardware decisions next gen or the next next gen.
Now THAT dude is a total CATAFERAL/.
I don't know what's more troubling: that ostensibly, your entire channel is dedicated toward being able to determine technical issues like this (but, to this day, still can't), or the fact that it's taken you 3+ years into this console generation to even begin *actually asking this question*.
Every damn time there's a game that looks better or runs better on PS5, it's just every talking head y'all have glossing over the situation. 'It's a mystery!!'.
jfc
ywnbaw
Can't wait for the bigger Xbox titles coming to ps5 and the comparisons between them, especially starfield which should have faster load times on ps5.
They never coming 🤣🤣🤣
Maybe, just maybe, .....Microsoft is ensuring that their games on PS5 run AS GOOD or BETTER than on the Xbox.
The governing agencies are probably still paying attention to the ABK deal and have their dogs sniffing around to make sure Xbox did what they said they'd do. That is to make certain that parity is a thing. There are of course exceptions.
I find it weird in graphic comparisons where sharper shadows are applauded over soft shadows, as soft shadows are more realistic. If you look at a table leg for instance, the shadow will be sharp near where the leg makes contact to the floor, and get blurrier the further it is from that point. However, soft shadows because of low pixels or stepped shadows should be a point of critique.
Why waste resources to patch a game that didn't sell. The PS5 Versions are just getting some much needed extra TLC.
40 million lifetime players not good enough for you?
Yes@@FaustXD9
@@FaustXD9 players not buyers, 90 percent of those people are playing threw gamepass. i dont care what anyone says that is the reason these xbox game have been trash mostly, because they are not being brought like they used to. and as a xbox/ps/nintendo player. since 2017 the only xbox games i paid for was gears 5 forza 7/horizon 4/5 halo infinite. because forza gears halo are staples and some of my all time fav franchises, hi fi rush i also brought because it deserved the attention.
gamepass is cool, but it cannot sustain the cost of triple aaa titles, its the same reason netflix cancels so many of its original shows because they operate at a loss. if they cant get a big enough return threw subs and viewership. they cant afford to keep going, this is why xbox has brought al these studios, and ips, most of them havent been used because they dont want to spend the cash needed to make them great.
i hate my xbox players dont get this, because xbox used to be amazing. xbox used to have me like damn this came out on ps, and i gotta play that but xbox got this and im gotta play that. omg i dont know what to play first. max payne, jsrf, halo 1 had me neglecting my ps2 and gamecube, while my gba was with me all the time. ps3/x360 what a time to be alive, the options there wasw great. esp when xbox had a bunch of stuff that we new and different form ps3. until ps3 came with the really good games later.
but now its, well this is 3rd party on pc/ps5/xsx so ill probably get it on pc instead of the consoles, this is ps5 only so its a must, and well ill play that on gamepass so i dont have to buy it. and damn switch got some new heat im buying those, physical so i can resale them when i beat them and get tired of it. and since i used to buy a lot of xbox titles, and i have such a large ps/xbox digital lib. anything old on gp i already own threw live/and ps plus. or brought anyway.
beside that i only buy ps5/nintendo/pc games. as everything is better on pc 90 percent of the time, and ps has 1st parties only on ps. until much later, and nintendo we all know nintendo aint going lol.
why they just port a game and dats it ,r they that lazy to optimize it or what
better tools
Makes 0 sense other than the PS is easier to optimize for? There will be some serious red flags if/when Gears gets ported over to PS5 and it runs better than on Xbox.
As much as you guys like to complain about fanboys, you're the main arms dealer in the console wars.
Exactly. The PS5 versions are just newer up to date builds of the game, that's all. The Xbox builds haven't been updated since they're legacy releases. That's all.
Finally someone with actual common sense. Despite being a playstation only gamer, I'm sick of the bias in favor of Ps5 over series x.
You have to be a literal Bethesda to come up with a worse version of a game you made 10 years ago on a much better hardware today.
Lol. That's bullsh..t.
I kinda thought this was commonsense, but some people just don't seem to have that.
it could also be because of the different APIs the consoles are using. xbox uses directx 12 and ps5 uses opengl, vulkan or some sony intern API.
These APIs can have a massive difference on some things like filtering and so on.
@@user-sp8fi2zv2v who hurt you? lol
Why didn’t you compare Sifu on Xbox? You’ll skip Kena on Xbox too. You just want the narrative views
What’s the story with those two?
This....
@@CGorman68sony funded ,exclusives that jumped ship and run better on series x
You know how people say youtube comments suck
Do you have self-awareness regarding this
“The worlds most powerful console” 🤣🤣🤣
No direct X sucks here is why
eh....
All "Xbox" games will eventually only just be PS5, Switch 2 and PC games as Microsoft inevitably goes third party games subscription publisher.
Simple explanation made for the S upscaled to X. Port to PS5 is always going to be better because the base is PS5.
You can really tell this bothers the DF bois.
I love it! 🤣🤣🤣
They game on 4090's I doubt they give a shit
I doubt they care, but i wish they were professional enough to understand the architecture differences and be able to explain it to us.
They are shitless scared about ps5 pro
Here’s one for you DF:
Why do you have nothing better to do than stoke fanboy nonsense like this in a desperate bid for clicks? *sigh*
The real reason is because the PlayStation versions are PS5 ONLY....unlike the Series X sharing theirs with S. Series S is the handicap since Xbox games have to be compatible with both Xbox consoles. People keep forgetting. Look at Horizon 5. H5 is nowhere near what it could have been because of S.
That’s not true. Then why do some games not have RT on Series S but do on Series X? According to your logic, RT shouldn’t be possible on Series X in those games. It’s just the same as PC; Series X runs with higher graphic settings, but on Series S, it’s lower.
For crying out loud. The XSX and PS5 are pretty much the same performance-wise. I’m not sure why people see 10.3TF and 12.2TF and think and think “wow, the Xbox is twice as powerful.” It’s only about an extra 18% going to the Xbox 🙄
And yet Ps5 outperforms xbox in most games.. Infact all of xboxs perform better on Ps5, wait untill the pro is out
@@abcdefg3214 exactly! People aren’t doing the math at all. When you punch in the numbers, the XSX has a GPU that’s only about 18% more powerful… on paper. And devs will only be able to utilize about half of that, and they have to work hard to do it. And don’t get me started on the segmented memory setup of the Xbox Series consoles.
@@abcdefg3214lies.
Because df told everyone, and now they are calling developers incompetent for failing to live up to their tflops story
@@abcdefg3214 then youll be vindicated for your suport of that one multi billion dollar coorpo
just watch cernys video and admit ps5 is just built better
Xbox will give them early access and pay for them to go to America etc , Sony don't do that , they have a bias
And yet they they say the Xbox runs at a higher frame rate in some cases. Swings and roundabouts.
It's a shame that they're just afraid to state the obvious, that the PS5 architecture is superior and TFlops isn't the way to measure true performance. I find it somewhat undermining and offensive to the work Cerny and his team did that they can't acknowledge or even reference that. It's fear of being seen to choose a side. Just have an opinion gents without fear.
Yes. A friend has xbox series x i have ps5. I have seen multiple times games crashing in xbox x. Even UI.. never had it on ps5 i bought it like at launch.
Also DF is shitless scared about ps5 pro
@@Hi-levels scared how? I don't think they're afraid of anyone except being seen as one sided by crazy Xbox fans. We come here for their opinions, not their democracy. This is two private companies and DF isn't the government but I guess they want to keep Xbox fans watching and happy...sigh. They'll lose Sony fans from their channel if they're not careful.
@@Sunny-ip7um yeap i forgot the fragile ego in xbox owners. They used to say stuff like STRONGEST CONSOLE EVER 20 PCT FASTER THAN PS5 WWOOOHHHH
the Xbox brand became embarassment, why would Xbox higher ups allow their own exclusives to look better on the competition console. This would not have happened in past, its obviously bad marketing. But I guess priorites have changed, selling the consoles is not the point to them anymore just the software.
Its because the ps5 was made for gaming. On paper sure it looks weaker, but it’s easier to optimize for and has better features for performance. Usually
dont care bout games got the seriesx cause it has 12 cores of prosesing power and a very silent fan well done x box
There are cheaper ways to buy a bookend.
The ps5 is just better engineered in my opinion .. I own xbx nd ps5 it is what it is mark cerny is the real deal
Lol, you have both and ps5 is better in your opinion? And in which way should it be? 😏
@@nicolapellegrino1072Well why would he be wrong?
lol, no its not. If you lower resolution you can crank up details thats why some games might have higher fidelity on PS5 than on Series X.
@@KotchcusDomesticus by your logic that means series x should be running at a lower res also.
it ramps up and down. PS5 is a joke
When are they bringing Ori to PS5? Now please!
The Ori games are as close to masterpieces as you can possibly get IMO
@@mcrook1313 I keep hearing this… I could play now on my PC, but I also hear how great they are with HDR so want TV experience for proper experience. One day!
Bro as an Xbox gamer, I gotta say bro, Grounded was nuked on purpose on PS5.
"as an Xbox gamer"
Translation: A fake gamer
@@MichaelM28 Nuh uh
@@MichaelM28 "as an Xbox gamer"
Translation: A fake gamer
Translation: I haven't a clue if the person is an Xbox gamer but I like to pretend that I do.
@@MichaelM28 clown
Xbox is shit, just say it already. Yall was hella wrong from day one comparing PS5 vs XSX, saying XSX would be superior.
There’s some multiplatform games that run better on series x
@@trapez77 Thats’s not the point.
@@SnakeNL24 it’s _my_ point
@@trapez77 And thats the issue “some”.
@@SnakeNL24most
BECAUSE THE PS5 IS THE SUPERIOR CONSOLE!!!!
Why is water wet
cos sony make the best consoles and microsoft make expensive pc's and cheap consoles
There are a lot of games that run better on SX like dragons Dogma 2, Grounded, and Tales of Arise, doom eternal on Ray traced mode and many more.
The fundamental argument is, NO game on PS5 should run better than Series X if the marketing and promises were to be believed. instead, we get excuses for Xbox and downplaying of PS5 .
@@ktrotter It's because few Xbox games actually use the Velocity architecture of the Series consoles because Xbox was stuck in cross gen for so long. We're only now really seeing games that fully use the Velocity architecture, like Forza Motorsport, Hellblade II, Indiana Jones, Starfield (which has a 60fps patch incoming for Series X) etc
@@acurisur And velocity architekture is the reason we will get PS5 Pro to catch up with Series X technologicaly. Games are gimpet becuase of PS5.
Xbox wasn't stuck in cross gen.. they chose that life. and cross gen Sony games didn't suffer any of the same compromises to performance or tech. All 1st party games for PS5 have released with 60 and 30 options. Insomniac is doing 60 with Ray traced reflections. Since year 1.... Series X should be measurably superior....
@@KotchcusDomesticus "Games are gimpet because of PS5" Did you forget the existance of the Series S?
The same reason why some look and play better on the Series S instead of the PS5.
Name one occasion that’s ever happened for a start! 😂😂😂😂😂
So basically you do not know the answer. You are just speculating why there are differences.
That’s all they do is speculate about everything!! That’s all they do!
@@Ashly187on these particular clips yes they do but that’s a human trait.. you’re acting like when they say “it’s typically within the 1200p-1880p range” like they’re “speculating” about it.. far from it! They do in depth analysis that help us keep informed and up to date with everything gaming performance and visual related! I agree wholeheartedly but they don’t *only* speculate 👍🏼.
Only the actual devs can know why exactly.
Obviously this section is speculation, everyone except the completely stupid already knows this.
What we also know, is that DF speculation is backed up by deep understanding of the subject matter.
Funny thing is sometimes even the developers don't even know. But the PS5 and Xbox may be similar in many ways but the way each console processes the software and how they allow games different ways to load data will always lead different results. Especially devs are just porting the same game without puting in extra dev time to adjust the games to match the Xbox performance but then that could also yeld different visual results. Moral of the story game development is harder than most people think especially optimization
@@Ashly187 I bet you don’t have GPU that handles Raytracing well. Everyone saying nonsense about the most professional channel when it comes to analyzing graphics on youtube , are always brokies that are angry that they defend the importance of Raytracing
Cuz mark cerney is a genius and Ronald McDonald is a useless hill billy
Lol 😂😂😂👍👍
@@steveafanador6441 😎😎
L🤣L
Please stop. Series x Is not the most powerful console on the market.
PS5 has a faster GPU clock. Higher cache throughput, better I/O structure, much faster SSD and custom hardware for it, still unmatched even in PC, and lastly higher Gpixel 142 on PS5 Vs 116 on Xbox sx
Tflops means little.
PS5 and soon to be pro are the best hardware on the market.
Series x/s are on life support
Its Because Sony cares about Quality over Everything and Microsoft doesn't care about Great Games anymore.
That makes no sense here, because in this case XBox Game Studios delivered the games on PS5.
The answer is bugs!
Anytime the ps5 does anything better than the xsx, it’s because of a bug.
The answer is always bugs. Or tools not yet being delivered. Whichever one sounds better for the occasion.
Wait untill the pro is out lol
From someone who often plays the same game on both machines, Xbox tends to run most 3rd party games at higher native resolutions and with better sound output
but with bigger frame drops even though it has +2 teraflops
You're absolutely completely wrong... Stop with you're nonsense
Better sound output? I don’t know about that, but good luck using high end headphones with the Xbox, as there is no support for USB audio output. So you have to use TV or HDMI audio extractor to connect Dac/amp. At least PS5 supports UAC1, and there are handful of dac/amps which are supporting it.
All those games run at higher frame rates except pentiment on Xbox.... Who gives a s*** about shadowgate Xbox has the games and Sony ponies can't accept it
Some?!?! I believe the word is ALL😂😂😂
What about Devil may cry, assassins creed mirage?
Xbox isnt the best place to play XGS titles because..... shadow quality!?!? On a 6 year old game???? What are we doing here people lol
aaaand the duel sense. ps5 just a bit better but better. hope you understand xbot
Alex' face impressions says it all: 1:20.
Point is spoken at 4:17 This shouldn't have happened! Period. XBox already got some backlash about bringing games to Playstation in the first place when nearly all Playstation ammo is "exclusive games"! But after knowing that people look very closely ... those games should run equal or better on XSX. Period.
Sony doesn't optimize for a mainstream PC either ... remembering Horizon Zero Dawn launch!? So why do XBox Studios effectively do a better job on their competitor?
This is bad for nerds, for XBox fans and for the marketing as well.
To be fair: XBox plays with open cards ... optimize even for PlayStation with good efforts.
But XBox: your not winning anything here by always being the good and honest guy! You surely can set up your games a way that they run a tiny bit worse than on your lead console.
“Why does XBS do a better job on their competitor?
You are comparing developing for pc platform with thousands of configurations with a fixed platform, the PS5. Sony also developed MLB for Xbox so what are you trying to say?
Because the series s gimp box is holding back games. Lol the fake fraud next gen console. You been lied to Xbox fans
Its funny that everyone in the comments are dismissing how worse grounded is on ps5 than xbox. Stop posting before watching the whole video🤡
Xbox series x is a better build console tho
I have both (2 PS5 slim digital and disc version and one Xbox series x). The PS5 is much better, look better, but most importantly games seem to run better, I ended re-buying Baldur’s gate 3 when I got the PS5 slim because it looked and run so much better on the PS5).
“Malice” = when a monopoly produces higher quality versions of their product for a competitor? Shouldn’t you celebrate this behavior?
PS5 WINS AGAIN.
Shame profits are tanking though eh
Mark Cerny
Why is it so hard for these guys to admit PS5 is better engineered that Xbox with io and data scrubbers
If that's the case then why doesnt PS5 run UE5 games better than the SX?
API could be better and for Xbox developers have to code in a way so that they can make a build for Series S aswell :)
@kahnsealable Worst example.
UE5 is a good looking engine but it's a NIGHTMARE for developers.
Bc they are biased.
@@iceagex Lol. WRONG. UE5 is not a Nightmare for devs. Stop the BS. That is a GREAT example. Because I believe Sony and Cerny went on a tangent how they helped develop UE5 and that the PS5 was ONLY able to push the limits. Remember the PS5 UE5 demo they had? Yeah, I bet you do. Now
Its been out longer and theyve had more time to develop it.
Rember when DF was unbiased? Yeah, me neither
They dont look and run better. This id complete cap. I own a sx and ps5...if anything the sc definitely runs and looks better. Sony is on some crazy funny damage control. When u own all the consoles.. u know the sx is the best next gen console. Facts
stop lying
Maybe because Playstation had all xbox's updates since launch as a base to start improving on when it went to PS5?
Ps5 will beat ps5 pro in running ps4 and ps4 pro games. The higher clocked ps5 gpu will beat the more cu and lower clocked ps5 pro just like it's destroying the series x
Because Sony has higher qa standards and no parity with a shit series s console
Do they really have higher QA standards? You have a source, it sounds interesting.
So how does that QA angle work for games that look/run better on Xbox? The QA department are on vacation in those instances? Lol, kids are so funny.
Then why was spider cube a thing?
Exactly, just like steam deck is causing so many horrible PC ports....
I wonder what happened with Spiderbug then? 🤔