Jonathan MS Pearce - Autocrats are on the March but not all Countries have Woken up to the Threat.
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- Jonathan MS Pearce is a philosopher, author, columnist, and public speaker with an interest in writing about almost anything, from scepticism to science, politics, and morality, to the environment. Essentially because everything is philosophy. He is a former teacher and is now battling primary progressive multiple sclerosis. He can no longer play football with his twin boys, but he can still write a good column and book. And remarkably, and very bravely, he has just come back from an arduous journey to Ukraine’s frontlines. His experiences are the subject of today’s conversation.
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Totally share the frustration which Mr Pearce is speaking. It makes me angry , and I think that there has to be a lot of hypocrisy in such mindset. Slava Ucraini!
I think most of us here would echo your comment.
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Awesome! Thank you Jonathan and Jonathan ❤ 🫂 ❤
Slava Ukraini ✊️ Heroyam Slava ✊️ 🇺🇦 ♥️ 🇬🇧
I just found this Nikki. ❤ Nice to see you
Hi there Nikki and Lynn.. Nice to see you both here💙💛
My two favourite Jonathans
It's been a great journey to see the various pro-Ukrainian channels "find" each other and they have created a brilliant community
I agree with this 100% xxx
What is his channel called, I can’t find it.
@@Kodakcompactdisc ATP Geopolitics
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What we need is a combined release schedule For their live streams so we can plan things better.
Chomsky, too, with Jeffrey Sachs and Mearsheimer.
Time to get very loud with these voices and all who share their thoughts! ❤
What an insightful point Jonathan! That the Russian people ''do not have the freedom to create their own point of view''. That freedom we enjoy in a liberal democracy and take for granted! It is HUGE!
Russia just held elections, zelensky cancelled elections because he knows the Ukrainian people don't want what he wants and martial law makes him unquestionable
Two of my absolute favorites!
Same!
Whenever I hear Jeffrey Sachs or John Mearscheimer speak, a strong feeling of contempt starts to rise up in me. I don't know why I torture myself by listening to people whose narratives are devoid of morality and soul.
Don’t listen to him, he’s creating narratives and he’s a refined story teller. He’s just as bad for Ukraine as Trump is, or even worse. And he’s getting stronger by the day in his stance.
well hopefully u r doing so to know their inverted-reality perceptions, which are sort of like a shallow analysis of taking today and interposing it with something 70 years ago and having some drugs on the brain or somesuch. I cannot fathom it really. Sachs is the only one i've heard & he has that classic personality of being entirely cracked, and imho, his thing is classic passivity/appeasement and/or a form of contrarianism that only rigid minds with obsesive tendencies tend to do, namely with age.
Bookmarked for tomorrow. Two of the best
Thank you, Jonathan. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
Thank you guys, thank you JP.
This is why I follow your channel and don't start one myself.
More of this, please!
JP out in the wild, Heck yeah!
Two of the best!❤
I've lived in France a few years.
Never take them for their word; look at their actions.
And in this context: I think a LOT went "below the curtain".
France has been fighting ruZZIa for years.
What it woke up to, is that this battle can be won in Ukraine.
CAN be ,but so far in over two years, the willingness of the west to give Ukr appropriate abilities, has not happened!!!! And even the US's pre-war statements were bizarrely wrong-headed, in stating what it would not do in such and such circumstances, where Biden said US involvement would depend on how extensive Ru's invasion would be.! That is insane to state before an invasion, and anyone knows this, not just military strategists. Fact is that too many ppl in the west have been cowed by Ru aggression. Wake the fk up, before it's too late! Probably within three years, there will be a western military intervention necessary to wrap this up
A fantastic interview, thank you very much!❤
Standing applause for this episode. It is a joy listening when you two are having a discussion. One plus one is greater than two in your case.
Don't forget Lithuania 1990
Lithuania was the first of the Soviet republics to declare independence
Gorbachev declared it illegal and sent in the Soviet troops
Same happened to Latvia, where the most victims paid for it on barricaded streets of Riga. Tanks rolled in, but couldn't pass. No-one took to weapons, but people, especially the press were shot at by Omon. Our best operator and random people including an enfant were shot dead. TV, radio and other institutions were sieged and complete blackout took place.
My dad were working that day in national TV and we were really worried at home. Turns out he managed to finish work and leave very shortly before the TV building were stormed. I don't know how this ended, but people held out until orders from Moscow were overturned and Omon had to leave for Moscow. It took another 3-4 years to exile all Russian forces stationed here during USSR back where they came from. We would do anything to not let their equivalent today back in.
Cheers for a wonderful discussion by the the two Jonathans
Thank you for bringing Pearce back to your show. Always appreciate the deeper than bog water discourse and the actual weight and character inside the issue surrounding Ukrainian destruction by the Russian thug Putin.
I agree with you JSP 100%. Keep on the good fight!
Fantastic conversation. Thank you JonathanXJonathan! Lots of love.
Lots of love to JP 🧡 He is my go-to.
That was a very informative and interesting conversation.
Go Jonathans!!! Big fan of both channels.
Excellent
I despise the hypocracy of Jake Sullivan & the faux-theocracy of Mike Johnson
It's difficult to blame moscow mike without removing trump's hand, then removing putins hand from trump.
The fact that moscow mike is in that position in the first place shows massive flaws in the American process.
One hour well spent listening to Team Normal. Much appreciated!
Two of my favorite Jonathans
You two need to be mainstream. Superb stuff. Keep up the good work!
Fantastic discussion from two of favourite channels who have consistently focused on Ukraine. Thank you. 🇺🇦
Great work as always Jonathan and JP
Fantastic interview
Thanks Johnathan ( Silicon Curtain ) and Johnathan ( ATP Geopolitical ) for the Great Stream and the updates …….…💙💛💙
Both Johnathans in one place! What will I listen too this afternoon 😮
Thank you both for your coverage and insights.
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JP is here! ❤ Always good to listen to both. Lynn in Arizona 🌵
My two all time favorite Jonathan's (and youtube channels) at the same time, absolutely brilliant.
Great conversation, thanks you both !!
🍁🌻 LOVED IT..and looking forward to the next one...ty gentlemen
Thanks, great episode! I'm really starting to miss the cold war, at least US politicians knew who the enemy was. 💙💛
Wonderful conversation 🎉just wonderful both of you Jonathans👍👏🇺🇦🙏🏼🇺🇸
Thanks
Very nice
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Thank you Jonathan(s) 😁
They got me too today, switched account and comments are rolling for now..something needs to be done about this, this is insane! Innocent people accused by criminals as criminals and our own protection systems used to attack us..there must be something we can do!! x
@@migproductions4045 thx to mutha-ruzzia, the meanest and most diabiolical mutha-fugga ever. What do u expect from the bagmen of Genghis friggin Khan? (that's what the muscovites were, literally, ie criminals!)
SLAVA UKRAINI, HEROYAM SLAVA 🫶🙏🫡🇺🇦🐈⬛
Three Jonos!
Legendary, love your interviews, and John Pearce is always a brilliant guest
We are often told that we should ignore the moral case and concentrate on the political. That might be correct when persuading others, but thank you Jonathon Pearce for reminding us of the moral argument, which surely is what brought us here in the beginning. When Putin asked Tucker Carlson why is the West interested in Ukraine, I believe he was genuinely mystified. Concepts like justice, and freedom are beyond his understanding.
Excellent conversation.
My two favourite Jonathans ✅✔️
I so get where he is coming from. This is one of the clearest cut moral situations of our time. It's literally good vs evil levels of complexity.
yep, very basic. And i studied international politics at the high level. This is a plainly evil system that is trying to flex by showing how much barbarism it can inflict on a nation that had never and could never pose not only any risk to it, but wasn't discriminating against Russian speakers in any way in Ukr!! In the first months of the war, Ru was already torture-raping/murdering ppl including children & the evidence was documented by U.N. personnel. This was should have been intervened in by a coalition of the willing, likely the J10 part of Nato, but admittedly, perhaps the nations are not ready including mine, the U.S. We will be ready pretty soon, i am guessing. Ru is going to be contained, period. Otherwise, u can kiss europe's past 30 years of ultra prosperity, goodbye.
Fantastic interview, awesome 👏
The problem is that large parts of the western democracy populations are- deeply disenfranchised- as in they have no stake anymore in the democracy. They do not participate economically and more often then not - socially. For someone with zero-perspective beyond consuming colorful electrons in the parents basement, waiting for there life to decline further or to sit in a job, that is slowly ruined by a anonymous internet cooperation, they feel the alure of the totalitarian and authoritarian, because here is somebody who is not sentenced by the circumstances to a slow death, who seemingly just breaks the rules that form the rope. And for those citizens- we have nothing more to offer since quite a while. Blood, sweat and tears, so instead of some ruski-mir dictator, some shareholder vampire caste can turn your life into a glorified juicebox for a few years more? There is no perspective in it all.
And the likes of Elon Musk and his social network pals created this world of smoke and mirrors, were there is no-perspective for a decent life, but to follow some totalitarian conqueror on a plundering raid & take-over. The deal seems to be "you help to crown us king, freeing us from all democratic threats to our riches" and for that we promise you the mirage of a piece of the cake at the end of the tunnel.
Putin said a few months ago, "Russia has no borders."
I had noticed these things. This amplifies my beliefs that I'm not paranoid 😜
Great to see the Legend coming out swinging and spitting facts from the very first seconds .
I’ll say!
I can say having been affected by a hacked supply chain in the pharmaceutical market there is a definite attack on civilian population in the west. It is interesting if you look how and what was done makes this a the more deliberate.
Well, that CERTAINLY didn't disappoint!!😂❤
Interesting to see where this one goes :)
You both are spot on with the legitimacy of your Ukraine support. Why anyone can’t see this same legitimacy is beyond me. The US needs to get with the program. The costs to us is so much less than the other wars we have started. It is so frustrating.
What's so wrong with the US? Starting wars and planning new ones all the time. This project is going to be a worse debacle than the withdrawal from Afghanistan. And the cost will be huge.
Sad but , as to Mearshimer, it,s about reputation and standing! He can,t walk back his assessments without admitting he is full of Doo Doo.
He will be punished more if he don't. People have mrmory of goldfish - he confidently predicted Russia would never invade Ukraine while they were already there. People like him just ignore whatever was wrong in their assesments and carry on with whayever sticks with their fans. He's not an "academic", he - like most useful-fools - is just a immoral grifter.
Which assessments?
@@MJGMJGMJG duh, the Kremin line hook,line and sinker!
@@russellesimonetta9071 What are you talking about? Has he been wrong about something?
Thank you; I concur and share your anger towards people who don't see the obvious.
I listen to hours of ATP Geopolitics daily
Hate speech should be forbidden!
Agree.
Fantastic convo; thanks.
I really enjoyed this 2 part episode. Keep up your good work!
One of the beat silicon podcasts
You go Jonathan...
Thank you, Jonathan and Jonathan, for having this conversation. I just can't get my head around the fact that Europe is still not waking up. I am afraid that it is already too late for this year's elections and I do hope, lots of people will listen to your wonderful guests and vote accordingly. I will only vote for representatives willing to cooperate and support Ukraine. No vote should go to those who want to divide and isolate us.
🇺🇦 Перемоги і миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦
Thank you Jonathan for the consistent high standard of guests and subjects covered. You are very informed and well prepared. For my generation born in 60-ies in country of formerly handed ( sold) to a russian influence zone, the treat of russia has always been very real. We new that the "bear" may be asleep but given another ruler (tsar) it may wake up any moment. The imperialistic tendencies are deeply rooted in the feudal mindset of the people of russia. Life sucks so we live in the imaginary grandeur of our humongous country. How did we allow this crazy country to get nukes while everyone around was de-militarizing ?The reason is nobody was listening to our warnings. Please continue what you are doing.
I share the frustration described at the start of this interview. I can't even tell you. Vlad Vexler has his work cut out keeping me from popping.
I don't share it because I think he is profoundly wrong with his moral argument of good vs evil. A few hundred years ago people were making a similar ideological/moral good vs evil argument, just replace Democracy with Christianity and non-democratic countries with non-Christian ones, and you get the modern crusades and their fanatics.
@@MJGMJGMJG In post 9/11 period - and also during parts of the Cold War, though I wasn't around for a lot of that - I would have agreed with you. But the left is stuck in that period, still pinning every bad thing on the US. But now we have Russia doing all the things the Kremlin has complained about the US doing. And worse. And with a truly criminal mafioso regime at the top which has pillaged the country and is now after the neighbours.
I'll have to listen again in order to process everything in this dynamic conversation. What stays with me as well is 12:28 " Where people do not have the will to express their own points of view". It's a chilling reminder of Hannah Arendts concept of The Banality of Evil. Individuals normalizing the unthinkable.
"freedom of responsable speach"
Beautiful.
Thank you!
It’s like Starmer going more and more to the right. This is worrying for the uk!
Great insights, real concerns about the inaction of the west.
Thanks! But you and your brilliant guests are starting to drain my bank.account 😛
Thank you for your support!
💛💙💜💙💛 going through some very dark times, but we must keep going!! 🇺🇦 🌏 🇺🇸
50:00 _"we are not fighting back in the information space"_ - "We" are enabling it. Without the big tech firms sponsoring and promoting and feeding disinformation to people, it wouldn't be the issue it is.
Fascinating discussion. There's something you seem to have missed in the debate after Macron's 'can't rule out boots on the ground' speech, was when a few days later he referred to the necessity for strategic ambiguity to worry the Russians. It seems the Americans went "you what?", the Germans went "what page & which line in military handbook is that?", and the British, culturally suited for that ambiguity with all their satire, sarcasm and irony, just continued hanging onto US shirt-tails. But I agree with that tactic when dealing with Russia.
World is in big turmoil, hope we get out of it soon. Thanks 2x Jonathan
The madness of not rushing weapons to Ukraine is impossible to understand. I share his frustration.
Just when I thought the US political landscape couldn’t get any worse, cue RFK Jr.
I lasted about 90 seconds into his tinfoil hat rant about how the war is a US money laundering op, Zelenskyy sold parts of Ukraine to Monsanto, etc., etc.,
More discouraging was the comments section of nodders and clappers praising his brilliance, fawning over the possibility of another Kennedy in the Whitehouse.
Strangely, many seemed concerned and said he needed to be protected from the same fate as JFK and RFK-as if there were some sort of genetic predisposition to assassination in the family.
I just don’t know where these people are getting their information from. Strange days indeed.
they're getting exposed to b.s. online, not 'information', and they're vulnerable to it bcuz of the way they think, the way their minds work. I had a friend since the early '80's long ago, who in recent years in his sixties, started revealing that he really was far more ignorant than i'd realized, and that when he had a nervous breakdown in his fifties, he'd fallen for expensive obviously phony nonmedical treatments for his ailment, right out of a bad comedy. He is a latin american and was always a bit latin fascist-sympathetic, and fell straight into the online b.s. back in '16 during the US election re it. I was stunned, at how the combo of a not well rounded education, and a superficial way of thinking, combines to make some personalities vulnerable to the conspiracy oriented b.s. But bottom line is a lack of empathy in these ppl, from what i've seen, including in him. Some make it seem like they have great empathy, but it's either shallow or false, and is simply grievance for self or obsession, aka injustice colelctors
7:10 they are forgetting the most basic thing of all - the law.
Let's hear from Michal Rachon about democracy in Poland and the media. In stead of from JMSP repeating Tusk's lies.
BTW the only allegations I saw against TVP were 2 isolated instances. the one about jews wasn't anti jewish. It was the president stating that 1 victim should not be seeking compensation from another, they should both be seeking compensation from Germany. The 2nd, the LGBT, was unacceptable to me but nothing compared to what is broadcast on American TV. Notably only 1 presenter has gone from TVP World since the Tusk Govt took over, and that is Michal Rachon who made a factual documentary about Tusk. How "independent" is that?
A comment in JF's interview was that a former security guy has been appointed head of TVP. How "independent" is that?
Rock Rachon is a kingly piece on this global board..I support all efforts that benefit him!! Mike Rachon quite simply ROCKS
@@migproductions4045He's a bit of a political git but his journalism and the problems he is reporting from poland outshine that by far.
@@W_BinI just love his style and his outlook was the right angle on the situation..He was the first broadcaster I saw that recognised the threat and held the enemy to account with the level of contempt they deserve. He is a real inspiration to me 😇
I thought he was a terrible reporter. Full of half sentences and pauses. Reminded me of Don Lemon. Glad TVP is back but I for one will not miss Rock.
@@migproductions4045 What I liked the most was that he confronted the west for not providing arms and lobbied hard for tanks, patriots etc, pointing the finger at who had them. I think he was the first to openly do so.
I don't understand the argument against bombing Russian oil refineries. Refineries are consumers of crude, not producers. Reducing consumption has the effect of reducing demand; reducing demand tends toward lowering prices at the pump, which would should be a net positive for Biden. Is there something I'm overlooking?
I don’t believe in Satan but if there’s a devil it’s Putin
Great comment, yes, why can't others see the situation clearly ? - I don't understand it either ! Many of us lived Russia/ Soviet agression - had to practice "duck and cover" as children - I remember my father being so very upset that I got a QSL card, (reply to a reception report), from Shortwave Radio Prague, he was genuinely concerned that, "oh my God ! - now they, (the communists), know where we live". It seems that a new generation doesn't know about RSG's and the reasons for them.
In my view, I believe only allowing Russia to disintegrate into its cultural components
It's not an information bubble, it's a trust bubble that's @ work.
Tell JMSP that "to table" a bill in the US has the opposite meaning from the British.
Strategic ambiguity on the part of US regarding refineries
US oil and gas record profits…
Record food profits so sad during war.
Exceptional conversation, gentlemen! Thank you.
I often listen to Jonathan on his channel even though I totally disagree with him.
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I think American concerns about the oil price are a red herring. America has its own oil stocks and it own ability to control the 'price at the pump'. There has to be something else going on here.
Probably Russian disinformation. They would like the American electorate to connect Ukraine support with high gas prices.
As an American, I find it strange to listen to 2 citizens of the UK talk about “American Imperialism”. We merely dabbled in it. The UK was the master of it for 4 centuries. The US made them quit in the 1950’s (Suez). Russia has been an imperial power since Ivan IV.
basic democracy (lose 1 and the wheels fall off)
1/ No Authority without consent of Parliament
2/ Free & Fair elections
3/ Freedom of speech
4/ Right of petition
5/ No private armies
6/ Independent Judiciary
7/ No Torture
8/ No Religous Laws
9/ No state confiscations
10/ No jail without a fair trial
source: Bill of rights 1689 , French Rights of Man 1789, US Bill of Rights (ratified) 1791
John Mearsheimer and Anatole Lieven on the Neutrality Studies and Friends of Russia channel make some extraordinary claims on neutrality in this context. They may as well be speaking for Putin and the FSB.
You two guys are great together!! I could listen to you for hours!! Great conversation!! Thanks so much!! Love it!!
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41:25 yeah, but we (ukrainians) still have to live to that ‘long run’