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0:00 Intro
1:00 iMessage evades "core platform" designation
7:25 Apple's breaking progressive web apps
18:15 Apple's malicious compliance
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Thats why EU citizens use WhatsApp. We are not annoyed between iOS and Android users.
😂😂😂😂
Yes, no one I know used iMessage.
I find it annoying when someone sends me photos on WhatsApp, especially when they *also* use an iPhone... 😅 Why? Because I lose all the photo metadata (time/date/location/camera), and they often don't have high quality mode enabled. As a result, I can't easily search for those photos later. (I'm not even dinging it for not being a Live Photo.)
As a EU citizens, I’m annoyed that everyone uses WhatsApp because of privacy reasons. I use iMessages and I’m fine with it
Unfortunately in N.A. the only people that use WhatsApp are foreigners and scammers
I love how "installing any software you want on your device" became "sideloading"
That is the law of Apple.
The real question why would you want that in the first place? EU law. My god. Nobody from Apple users asks for this. Only peasants what's that? If you buy an apple use it in its full glory, not the other way around it.
@@TheXextreem It would allow for a greater variety of apps that don't require the inconsistent approval by Apple. I probably wouldn't use it on my phone (I had my jailbreak days), but maybe on my iPad.
@@TheXextreem that's because everybody "from apple users" are used to being dictated by their Ec0ShyshTEm instead of the other way around. they don't know what could've been. so people who do, a.k.a brand agnostic people looking for versatile devices that DOES WHAT THEY NEED, instead of WHAT THEY'RE TOLD proposes that law.
Android devices are available for folks who want/need that. Otherwise, Apple offers a different product. Why force their product to as everyone else when they have no clear advantage over Android?
As a programmer, progressive web apps are so much easier to create than actual apps. Plus it's both iOS and Android compatible without any extra effort needed. A significant number of apps like discord are basically just a progressive web app that's been bundled into an actual app because it's easier than making multiple actual apps per platform.
Yeah I like to try both the progressive web app and the normal app and if I like the progressive web app better or similarly, I delet the app and use the progressive web app because it uses less storage space on my phone but can still be used like an app in any way an app is.
Discord is actually built on React-Native.
The example you would want to use are apps using Ionic framework that offers that hybrid alongside PWAs
Also no App Store approval, no Apple transaction fees, no Apple payment system required at all.
@@thisBrian AFAIK the mobile client is built on React, but the desktop client isn’t (it’s basically a PWA). Correct me if I’m wrong though.
Yeah the point of PWAs was that they thought almost every popular app that was a service/social network could just be the web version. Let the browser handle cross-platform stuff, as it already does for websites.
It had a bit of a bad rap back in the day because small devices were so starved for processing power and memory vs how heavy some of these websites are.
Maybe they're fighting against it now because PWAs aren't as noticeably slower than an installed app for the user anymore. So it gives people less incentive to favor installing an app that gives Apple metrics and control.
Bonkers how Apple did the exact same thing that Unity did, the same thing that made Unity's CEO resign. They somehow made the install fee even worse too
I don't understand why Apple users don't do any backlash to Apple like Unity user did
Because some of them just can't think on their own it feels like or are brainwashed.
I told a friend of mine about the "sideloading" things and he thought that his phone would suddenly become insecure and all these kinds of things.
Another one actually supported apples fees and said that if the devs don't want those they can just use apples store, so completely missing the point of why this is done in the first place
@@venilc I’ve learned from my nephews & niece that they can’t tell the difference between safe things to click on and install and unsafe things.
I’m wonder how long it would take people to learn how to be careful if the training wheels are off. 😝
difference is they are doing it from the start, not like a worse deal mid way through
@@nav579 they don’t want the training wheels off. They’re happy in a walled garden. They’re even willing to pay more for that.
Why does that bother you so much? We have options: you want a OS that leaves things up to you? Don’t buy Apples
Most people do, though, want less options and more simplicity. That’s why Apple is one of the worlds most valuable companies…
You all think you’re super smart, but Apple is in better touch of what the average customer wants than you are.
How can Apple charge developers for installing via an infrastructure that is nothing to do with Apple? The EU need to say "No, you don't get to apply limits or charges to third party stores".
I wouldn't be worried about this. The DMA is written specific to prevent this kind of behavior. Honestly, I don't understand how Apple thinks this will fly. But they still have time until March.
This is the EU, look at our cookie legislation: did it make anything better ? No. Can any single normie explain what they are ? No. Did the legislation only made things worse for the consumer ? Yes !
This DMA will play out the exact same way and it will be worse for the consumers and it's already becoming true with apple disabling progressive apps
IIRC someone on related to the EU commission has said that they will definitely look into it
Rileys impression of Tim Cook is golden
100%
I sincerely believe that is one of the top-3 funniest things on LTT, if not the top funniest thing as a whole. Can listen to it forever
It is good.
*Tim Apple
Just over 1 week ago i delivered a PWA project to a client. Simple website, with push notifications when they publish news. A PWA was the quickest and cheapest solution for the client.
Now I have to redo the project with a native app for IOS... Who should pay for the extra work? Me? The customer? Apple (As if)?
certainly not you. they asked for a web app and got one. sucks that apple screwed them over but i hope you get paid for the work you already did and then get compensated for whatever extra labor is needed to make a proper app for them (if they ask you to do so)
@@matthewuzhere Client didnt specifically ask for a web-app. I recommended it, going by their requirements... I am pretty confident that the client will see that i couldnt have known. But its a conversation/negotiation i would rather be without. And the only reason i am having it, is Apples malicious compliance
EU has declared iMessage irrelevant.
I couldn't agree more.
I hope the EU continues to put pressure on Apple and teaches them a fucking lesson and that includes every other company.
100% They could walk into their headquarters, drag them into the street and beat them cattle prods and I still wouldn't think they'd punished them enough for just one of their devices. Pick one. Single button mouse. Magic Mouse. Magic Keyboard. Claiming the iPod was somehow their invention. The floppy drive with no eject button. Finder. Finder again. Just really Finder is enough. Not supporting gaming. Not having a flipping back button. The notch. The iMac in all its versions all of which are crimes against design, although some of the colours are a bit cute but we don't buy products for that reason while having self respect unless that's their entire function - like artwork.
@jonevansauthor Don't forget killing off the headphone jack, external storage, removable batteries and bundled chargers. Not to mention serialized components, making third-party repairs more difficult to downright impossible.
apple should be allowed to create/design the physical devices or lockdown their devices for programs however they wish as long as it isn't doing anything dangerous. let consumers decide based on the features of the physical device and its capabilities or programs what they want to buy or use @@Okusar
Brother, the EU has never improved the life of the citizens, ever. the EU economy has stayed stagnant, ZERO PERCENT GROWTH, in almost 3 decades
still dont understand exactly why the EU is even a thing. you would think all countries would run far away from that, extra rules, extra oversight, that you dont even get to vote for. You only vote for your country's rep @@JaceKeller
25:39 "My favorite game back in the day which was Plants VS Zombies, the first one before they ruined it"
I didn't think Jessica could get any more based than she is already but she outdoes herself every time.
Spelunking is when you just go into a cave and say "hey what a cool cave, it echoes in here" and see how far you dare to go. Caving is the serious business scientist exploration of a cave, with equipment.
About progressive web apps: I'm using one daily due to: the website/service used in an event/service context was developed and is maintained by one single person. Developing and maintaining both apps for android and iOS wouldn't be realistic. Since this website will be used regularly it is the best way to keep the interaction with the site. Our data shows that about 40-50% of the active users have the web app on their home screen. The rest uses it as a website.
So I think it is a very important tool for smaller projects that can't afford a fleet of software engineers. Also it is more storage space friendly, countering the common issue of "oh I can't install this app because I have no space left on my phone"
Riley & Jessica to Linus & Luke: We'll have our own WAN show! With black jack! And... Well, just the black jack.
We have WAN show at home!
WAN show at home:
Linus is female now!??
Riley is the 🐐 but I gotta say, the Jessica + Jakob TalkLinked was _God-tier._
Those two play off each other so well, to the extent that towards the end I was watching to see if one of them would say something that got them *_fired._* 😂
@@GSBarlev I must've missed this one, and now I feel like I need to see it.
From a developer view, Progressive Web Apps were a theoretically great idea to make websites more reliable and responsive and more powerful, more like apps. The goal was to prevent having to build a separate app instead of just maintaining a better website. It gave web-apps things like storage and offline-mode capabilities and extended the standard Web APIs instead of custom browser implementations. But, obviously, businesses are going to business and companies like Apple will do anything to prevent open ecosystems.
Progressive Web Apps enable a company to just make a single web app, instead of making a separate Android app and a separate iOS app.
Granted, there are plenty of tools to remove a lot of the friction from porting a web app to phone OSes, or even go the super simple route of making a native phone app that's just a web browser wrapper for the site.
But PWAs were a convenient option for developers to make a single web app that works everywhere. No App Store approval needed. No Apple transaction fees. No Apple payment system required.
I wanted to make one myself, so this annoys me.
No reliable access to iOS APIs either. Say goodbye to being able to trigger notifications with iOS pwas
@@KingOfCorinth but you don't always need to send notifications at all
Long live the web!
And don't forget that most apps on a phone is just a fancy browser with PWA running inside the "APP". What they want is control, you can't do that for PWA
"works" for rather limited definition of "works"
PWAs have many more advantages. For example you don't need to develop and publish native apps for multiple platforms. This makes many apps easily available on all platforms with a browser. 😊
PWAs also don't require App Store approval, nor Apple's transaction fees or Apple's payment system.
Yeah from the EU perspective regulate WhatsApp not iMessages. Nobody sends SMS in the EU, if you guys use ancient technology get your own regulation.
You are basically using AIM, and calling SMS (though RCS would be more appropriate) ancient 😂👌
@@destructodisk9074 you are wrong in so many levels I’m impressed. I was going to take some time of my day to educate you but I’ll let you do it on your own, start by reading RFC5724, and by understanding the difference between that and your imaginary AIM WhatsApp uses.
Said dude using 40 years old technology stack
@@yaroslavpanych2067 TCP/IP is 54 years old, what matters is how it's been updated over the years, not when the initial technology was developed. SMS hasn't, the last major changes occurred 20 years ago.
This is like saying everyone driving a petrol car is using 1800s techology.
Lol i use good old SMS. Although not imessage version since I have android
The biggest advantage of PWA's is on making my old phone usable, with it taking very little space, compared to the huge apps these days that want a GB of space to do window shopping.
It's exactly because they are web apps, they store whole browser inside
@@vipvip-tf9rw They don't store the browser inside, they are basically like pc desktop website shortcuts, only hold the link and whatever necessary data is needed for auth and other context. No cache, no media
"Mustaches rustling in bushes...... " Um phrasing?!
No, no. He used exactly the right words.
(Just imagining Barret's mustache making rustling sounds.)
For PWA: User doesn't need to know what kind of apps it is, but as someone who owns a business for internal tooling, it will be very beneficial for your employee to have a choose on the device they are familiar with.
PWA is great for that without incuring any additional cost.
Until it's time to implement it
@@KingOfCorinth well, I already did. I made a PWA for security officer administrative related task. They can choose to use their own device or use the provided device by the company. All it needs is a browser after all. I can imagine it will be useful in many other similar ways. PWA means I can make it work without being connected to the network and then sync it later. For example, suppose an officer must go outside for the task for whatever reason, and they can't connect to the internal network. The apps still work, and when they come back the data can be synced
Is the real argument not this: I don't need to use Apples X-Code ro program my PWA.
THIS OMG, apple things are so unapproachable, they don't only brainwash users but also developers
"Mustaches rustling in bushes"
Wait.. what?! ;O)-
A lot of self hosted software have clients that are PWAs. Much more convenient than downloading an app (that might not exist on every device/os). One of my favorites is code-server which is a PWA of VSCode with some optimizations for running in a browser instead of electron. Makes it so I can skip the laptop and just use DeX to do like 80% of my coding
Wish there was a separate podcast listing for these episodes. I like the long talk episodes with my screen off and ear pods in. But when I follow the podcast I get my feed filled up with the short more visual episodes that I only watch on CZcams.
If Riley did a Tim Cook impression during quick bits, would they be Tim Bits?
😂😂
Riley your point at the end is kind of whack: The app store exists since 2008 (so 16 years without real regulation) and what innovation did Apple's monopoly on app distribution on the iPhone foster?
What the EU did is like the bare minimum for some - not even fair - competition in a market where a few corporations control 80+ % of the pie. They are far far away from overregulation (which is mostly corporate propaganda btw).
Why should anyone have to pay Apple anything to develop or use an app. Can you imagine if everytime someone wrote an app that runs on Windows you couldn't install it without sending Microsoft money?
Not a Mac developer, but I think it's the same way with Mac OS - a developer can release a program to Mac without having to pay to Apple. Why iOS should be different than Mac OS. Apple is a bullsh*t company.
Shhh! Don't speak the quiet part out loud. Microsoft would love that. :D
Yeah.. it's pretty f** up. Apple should pay the devs, not the other way around
Wow is European Riley's first language? I didn't even detect his Canadian accent when he was speaking European!
Steve Jobs initially thought Progressive Web Apps were the future. Then they realized their mistake and launched an app store.
If by "realized their mistake" you mean "saw how successful Cydia was."
Well they realized that charging $0.99 for an app was a good idea, can't really do that in an environment with no store and only PWAs.
One of their mistakes was web apps at the time were horrendously slow so they backtracked and went native.. I wish android didn't go with java either :s
@@theunbearablesHonestly back then java was really the only option for android, even now it's pretty hard to justify a non VM language. You can use swift simply because there is one architecture and one hardware to care about
@@specy_ Java didn't even solve the problem of "write once run everywhere:" czcams.com/video/tK50z_gUpZI/video.htmlsi=IbgGpXdVNpKAhHrm&t=2107 , you still have separate, binaries for every architecture. armv7, etc
Users, iPhone users especially won't complain about PWAs, because they, for the most part, have no idea they exist and can't tell the difference. I don't want to blanket call all iPhone users non-technical, but I'd wager there are iPhone users enjoying many a PWA without even realising it.
I completely agree, I only found out about the feature a year ago (though I can’t find when they added it) and even then I only used the feature twice.
1. Was for that try Galaxy website where the gimmick was it looks like a Samsung skin of android on iOS
2. The second one was flekstore a few weeks ago.
I think the issue with most people not knowing about the feature (me included) is because Apple often refuses to try to explain how features work in iOS.
Look at what happened to 3D Touch.
Please make this a weekly pod
Tech longedddd?
As a somewhat fanboy Riley I never thought you hated Apple. The best things about and historically for Apple have been forced upon them!
"Just mustaches rustling in bushes" Phrasing...
PWAs don't pay Apple's transaction fees, nor require Apple approval. They can use whatever payment sytem they want.
I thought that was Andy Milonakis at first glance.
Say, when y'all gettin that Andy Milonakis on the show?
I think long format of this is nice, if it’s something extra besides the regular scheduled news.
It's good when the people talking have the chemistry, and genuinely good sense of explanation, synthesis and ideas, which Riley and Jessica definitely do, and Luke and Linus.
Some others use this format but only have the most surface-level things to talk about and it's just not worth wasting anyone's time on.
I always forget tech longer exists till they make another one 😭
10:40 A really good use case for Progressive Web Apps is in a business setting. A company might want to use mobile devices in a manufacturing or logistics environment, running their self developed enterprise software. Not having to produce a native app massively reduces the burden on a team that probably has little experience with iOS or Android app development.
I'm not sure to what extent PWA is broken on iPhone, but PWA gives webpages a lot more persistance even without the user "installing". Personally I made all my webpages PWA so even if the internet goes down I can still open the webpage with some functionality. Personally I think the notification aspect should be disabled by default because most of the sites that use this functionality are scummy.
It's Apple not liking anything not made by them, but obviously everything is good if used correctly
I came hoping for a Tim Cook impression, and I was not disappointed. Thank you for sharing your gift with us, Riley.
It depends on the browser but soon you will be able to give access to a folder soon enough, and also for a virtual filesystem (it's faster than local storage strings, but more secure than direct access to the filesystem) . But you don't need actual file access to store files offline. You can even just use the browser cache to manage it
Thank you to whoever made those compilations of Riley's Tim Cook impressions, and thank you to Riley for blessing us with your Tim Cook!
Thanks for the long video. It keeps me sane at my boring job when I finish wan show.
PWA allows full screen (no address bar) so we can use more of the screen. Also enable sound directly without user interaction. We use them for dedicated apps in Bingo halls but not for pages in the wild. On PC we can just launch chrome with --kiosk option; but that's not available on android
Decided to trade in my 13 mini at an Applestore. Hated the whole experience. It’s just this culmination of brand loyal and ultra consumerism with people packed in there trying to get the new fix. Anyways, as long as RCS in iPhone later this year has group chat and non-potato quality pics and vids, I’m switching to android.
In Hungary we mostly use facebook messenger, we hardly use any other platform.
Happy to see Andy Milonakis on the show again 🙏♥️
you beat me too it.
what you talking about? Jessica is damn fine, makes me wanna move to Canada that woman!
@@t94xr Stay in line, my friend. We are all here for Jessica.
What?! you just called her Andy? ...
that’s a girl ? 0-0
is this the new way to listen to this podcast with video? or do i have to use my podcast app?
11:00 depends on the app, also because it is light and removes all the browser controllers.
If you code correctly a PWA it will be lighter (also because it relies in HTML/AJAX/etc) and act like an app... It is something in between.
I think the Amazon app is just a big PWA app and Noone complains about that...
Luna is a PWA, but the difference is that you don't install Luna from the store, you just click on "install as a PWA" and you have to do that because that is a fullscreen app.
Also, some banks have some very low quality apps because they don't want to spend on maintaining an app for every OS, so, in this era of passkey and fingerprint and face unlock, why not a PWA that is also more secure than a site because the link will be 100% correct?
Also it will give more chances to new OSSes like the one from Huawei to come to live... PWA started when Lumia died... Imagine if everyone switched to PWA suddently: no duo-poly.
Why should depend on a platform? We have MMS, we got 4G, 5G. What about a new MMS standard to annoy both sides but make it unified across the mobile platform?
Could someone explain to me the green vs blue bubbles? All I really know is that on iphones, messages from other iphones show as one color, other devices the other and it somehow is a big deal.
I ofc am an android user so all of my bubbles are the same shade of grey regardless of the other user's device.
In short, green means SMS, and blue means iMessage.
For ease of use, Apple built iMessages into the existing Messages app on iPhones. So if you were composing a message to someone, and they had an iMessage-compatible device, you'd see a blue indicator and your messages would be blue. If not, they'd be green, indicating that you're sending a regular SMS message. It's just helpful to know which protocol you're using since iMessage has several advantages.
@@alanharper23 Ah, that actually makes a lot of sense now! I thought it was just a plain old SMS app that could somehow detect the sender's device, not a hybrid that actually has features depending on the connection.
28:25 agreed, as lifelong apple user and not total noob in electronics - i'm always puzzled how the apple lightning cables fairly quickly end up working only one way and become unreliable. While kept well and not bent or anything like that.
I'm kind of shocked that not that much percentage of all people use almost all major existing messaging apps and have 3 separate conversation with 1 person on 3 different messaging apps - about something totally different, at the same time.
He acknowledged the tim cook impressions compilations! 🤣
My day is made. I’ve been waiting so long to put a face with a voice to the hilarious female that’s always in the background on these videos cracking jokes. Thanks for being so awesome!
I never knew there was a long form podcast glad I found it surprised it never ended up in my feed.
I had blind date one time ask me if I wanted to “pot holing”🤔with him and his brother and boy was I let down after I agreed to his proposal.😳
As a business owner… no my devices are managed and my apps can be deployed via MDM, which is the common business approach, especially in enterprise. We wouldn’t ever rely on PWA’s for mission critical applications.
What confuses us Americans is that the EU went to all this trouble to make a definition that clearly included Apple and then let them off the hook.
And this coming on the heels of the app store and type C laws.
Apple really messed up my business with the PWA block.
And yes Riley, it is about business for people here.
I'm not talking about news websites and engagement here. I'm talking about how most enterprise business apps don't actually need any native functionality besides push notifications.
Most enterprise business apps aren't much more than a few forms. Maybe they get complex, but it's still just some forms. There's no 3D rendering, no pretty animations (Though those are fine on PWA as well these days), no big use of local storage, etc.
Taking away the URL bar just increases the user experience and allows for more information to be displayed at once.
My business is EU wide and we're talking around 300.000 active users for my PWA.
About 5% of these users would be using Apple, though with us moving into a certain target now, we're expecting it to rise to about 15-20%.
Is it killing? No, not exactly. Does it give us a lot of extra work, maintenance and annoyance because of how the app store works? Yes. The app store has never been fantastic for b2b apps.
I didn't know Elton John was into tech..
I don't think it should be that difficult to define apps as executables that work inside a controlled environment, and have that trap/ask for hardware permissions, in a way the user both has knowledge and gives permissions.
Android does that (I haven't sideloaded an app since forever ago, but I'd say it also works that way with those other apps).
MacOS, a secure operating system, doesn't prevent installing applications outside the AppStore. It almost never needs to be opened.
It's not even more secure for the user than Windows. It was just less targeted than Windows because there were significantly fewer users. Malware is on the rise and the image of a secure os will hurt the end-user because they won't protect themselves.
Thanks god! Coz... It would be even more expensive. And f... I'm not a baby apple, I know what I am doing it. I paid for that crap didn't I?
I love how even though Riley's so-called "Tim Cook impression" is so terrible with both the voice and phrasing that is nothing like the actual Tim Cook but is so ubiquitous on TechLinked that we all recognize it as "Tim Cook" at this point.
its great and you know it. and we all love it
@@northlyte I'm just saying that there are impressions that are nearly indistinguishable from the subject and then there are caricatures like what Riley does which still get the job done given the context.
PWAs had a lot of promise. I wanted them to succeed. But between every other website abusing them as a form of advertising, and the overwhelming expectation that apps should be searched for in the app store, they never achieved that promise.
As a user, I would prefer a PWA over an installed app for most things that depend on a network connection to function anyway, because it uses less space on my phone and is much faster to install.
As an indie developer, I would prefer to ship PWAs over native apps because they work across platforms (or at least they did before Apple removed them) and don't require paying for a developer account or fighting with app store deployment.
The green bubble only annoys the Apple userbase because the Android user can't see it. The lack of Rich Communication Service integration in iMessage (which Apple refuses to do) will annoy Android users.
Isn't iMessage just using SMS from an iPhone?
I think like Edge or Bing it just meets the technical requirements for the DMA because it's the default on devices... I 'used' edge and bing recently because I reinstalled windows and it decided to be the standard browser and search engine the first time I used windows search ^^'
It's compatible with SMS but it's also its own platform. You can use iMessage on a mac without an iPhone. It uses your Apple ID as the account.
PWAs are much more sandboxes so more secure, and can always download the latest version. What you use is exactly the same as the website. The point of "installing" is to make sure it's saved offline and has a link on your desktop. Websites can still store data offline but the cache might not load the website properly while you are offline.
PWAs are pretty cool for little projects where you just build a web app for some small projects, as you don't need to publish an app to any app store, just for some internal software for example.
As IOS doesn't have sideloading there are lots of open source PWAs that you can self-host or use a community instance for... if they push this through, and it effects the U.S. as well, then my small forums PWA will stop working right, and a number of other small PWAs I like will as well. This is just one more step in the direction of limiting developers options if they don't want to pay for an apple dev account or buy a mac just for developing the application, which will affect a lot of open source applications.
I would totally listen to a podcast with you guys. This is awesome.
From a user perspective, I use Edge only because it has the best pwa experience (I left firefox when they dropped pwa support). I turn everything I use regularly into an app on my computer. It's a cleaner UI, more screen realestate, and I can list them as seperate apps in my start menu and on my taskbar. If you aren't using PWAs on Windows with edge, it's just because you don't understand yet how much better an experience it is than a bajillion browser tabs.
You might find some websites more usable that way, but it doesn't really sound transformative to me.
The benefit of PWAs on mobile is integration in the OS so better notifications and stuff.
I love progressive web apps. They are faster and lighter than clunky native apps. But iphone users arent really savvy enough to use them, so not a big loss
I honestly like the idea of a PWA, but my problem is its basically impossible to make my own. The reason is because their is no way to make an installable PWA unless the website connects via HTTPS not HTTP, which I can't do on my home network. I guess it makes sense from a security standpoint, but it sucks theirs not a single way to enable a testing mode or something.
We'll stop whenever there's no company abusing it's position
(Which will be never)
Rileys tim cook impression is gold! 🤣🤣
As an OSS AI frontend we only publish our UI as a webapp. Partially since we were designed to be used in a browser on desktop but also since our platform is providing unfiltered AI. If we published as an app we'd have to bend the knee to the stores regulations and would have to somehow start censoring the AI. PWA's let us provide a somewhat native feel to the users since performance wise our entire UI is driven entirely clientside so all UI interactions are instant. It sucks to loose the fullscreen native feel, but at least iPhones can still pin it to the homescreen. iOS in general has been the worst platform to develop for since we refuse to buy apple products just to support their users. So we cant officially develop for safari especially not older versions some users are stuck on. And they can't have access to any sort of developer console to report errors to us unless they also own a mac and can hook it up to a devkit. Luckily thanks to an old version of playwright we do have the ability to do some basic level of testing and support but if they want proper support they would need to get an Android phone since safari is broken or limiting in different ways.
I think we need MORE regulations. Why? Look at your ad revenue.
11:40 isn't that a bit of selection bias? I'm more likely to say yes to "install" sites I care about.
So Jessica offended us by saying that Canada is the Europe of NA (which as a European, I would agree on), but Riley saying goodbye "in our own language" isn't? That's hilarious.
Gamelinked Talklinked when?
GameTalked
I use PWAs on my iPad but this is mostly thankts to that I still run iOS 15 as the iPad is End of Life. The OS is to old for some Apps to be installed and I refuse to buy a new tablet. But on hopfully the bright side, as I run an old iOS, I might not get the PWA braking update.
Riley is so salty about Apple that he comes into work and punches Jonathan Horst everyday.
I can hear his "ow"
I immediately paused this and watched a Tim Cook impression compilation 😂😂
FWIW: I liked the talk show format of this episode.
I love this podcast. Its nearly as good as the one with the French guy and Linus's son.
Rileys Tim Cook impression needs to be a CZcams channel on its own lol
Perfect level of awkward. Big fan of this duo format
This was cringe, Riley seemed so uncomfortable around her, and she seems like someone that would scream "Patriarchy" if she doesn't get her way. Not a good episode or duo
Came for Riley's Tim Apple impression, stayed for the other stuff 😊
The fact that an iOS version of F-droid is impossible under these rules means that Apple did not comply.
I love the Tim Cooked Apple impression
I use PWA to get Google Messages to work on my iPad. The downside is notifications DON’T work. But I think it’s more a problem with Google than my iPad.
These TalkLinked podcasts seem very few and far between, for me atleast anyway. Are they more frequent on Floatplane or something?
This podcast is such gold. More entertaining than waveform recently
Where ma tech news at?
if the mobile website sucks, it's not getting better by stuffing it into a web app. also personally i avoid installing apps as much as possible unless it actually needs functionality from the phone. what's the point of installing a data-leech for something that works fine as a website?
If the company knows how to moderate themselves we will already know it. A company is only here to make money, the user or contractor aren't important. Do you think the company lobby in Bruxelles to help the user 🤣. Yes the EU will continue to regulate the company of any kind, and this will not break the innovation, because if one company doesn't want to innovate another one will take it space. Obviously the EU will not accept the apple offer you have to remember the EU can ban apple at anytime if they don't want to follow the rules, so apple will comply but they don't know what to do for now so they pay their layers to invent stupid rules 😅
Sideloading is the installation of an application on a mobile device without using the device's official application distribution method.