Banning Social Media
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Jakob and Riley have a very very serious discussion about Florida's recent social media ban for teens and the federal bill that could ban TikTok (if ByteDance doesn't sell it).
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0:00 Florida Social Media Ban
12:25 Good luck with that
18:34 The TikTok ban bill
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they must've recorded this before they got evicted
They did. They usually mention on Friday when Monday will be a TalkLinked, that it's been recorded, and that it's because no one will be in the office on Monday.
Usually it's because of a holiday.
We're expanding the LMG/LTT lore here haha
I hate how I can never tell if people are telling the truth on April 1st.
Really shows the delay in the recording and release schedule. I expect it will be like the beard where it takes a few weeks to come into play.
Banning social media for people under the age of 16 would be a net positive for society
YES. Not even sorry. Just yes.
I’m in the “no one under 18” camp
Because it worked so well with cigarettes..... 😮
@@saturnblue age gating reduced the use of tobacco and alcohol, yes. “Someone will break this law” isn’t a valid argument against the existence of laws, my dude.
Good for culture bad for legal precedent and civil freedoms
I think social media companies need to be blocked from storing information of people under 18 to remove the financial incentive to get children addicted to social media in the first place.
This will also remove the motivation for children to lie about their age to join social media, which could result in other adults exposing them to material they would not otherwise send to a child.
That's already mostly illegal, its actually why most kids platforms (youtube kids) don't receive any support. The current bill is to make require social media to collect an actual government id for every account. Coincidentally this would make it illegal to allow anonymous users to post anywhere and let the government get any user's actual ID without a warrant.
Why not prevent the companies from tracking anyone, regardless of their age? Remove the financial incentive of targeted advertising and addictive algorithms as a whole? It's not just kids that are affected, and it would hurt the tech companies, but it would really benefit the end users, which is the whole point.
Hmm... So, according to the OP, there'd be no incentive to already have a minor addicted to social media by the time they turn into an adult?
@@calvinficenec7538but its the tech companies that have more money than the end user, and the end user is too stupid to stop using these things so it aint gonna stop
@@calvinficenec7538Do you want to watch 5 youtube ads instead of 2?
"Do you have parental permission", Clicks: "yes".
Reject modern social media; return to forums and chat rooms.
That would be preferable. Basically all you need to do is remove algorithms from the equation.
Forums and chatrooms are still considered social media. Most idiots praising this bill have no idea what it encompases
Thatas all ban under this as well. full goverment control.
I love when Riley and Jesus talk it out
SHUSH he is under cover
Actually he needs a little FASTING
Man, you just made my day with this lmao
So is the real April fool's joke that everyone at LMG had to spend the entire day moving everything back from the Langley house to the studio?
thats why their video came a day early
Maybe Samsung will let me uninstall TikTok from my television now. Since it was forcefully installed without my knowledge or consent. Can't be uninstalled
I doubt its written into permanent permanent memory. Try rooting it
@@YTDeletes90PercentOfMyCommentswhy should I have to hack my TV to remove spyware? I should have the right to choose who spies on me.
Remember when Samsung's lobbyists said Louis Rossman was going to install TikTok on your phone? Pepperridge Farm remembers.
@@SuperSmashDollsthe folks behind Goldfish? How're they involved if I may ask?
@@rishi-m over your head buddy.
So, the outcome of this is, teens will still use social media, except as an adult, i will now have to provide my ID for every platform where i may have a dissenting opinion. Cool and totally normal.
Easy fix, just make sure your opinion aligns perfectly with whatever the right side of is.
Why will you have to provide ID but the child won't? Genuinely curious how you managed to come up with this magical scenario.
@@Ian.Murray improve your reading skills from 4th grade to highschool level dear and then read the comment again
@@dhruvakhera5011 So you refuse to answer the question and resort to ad hominem. Glad to know you have no idea what you're talking about. I accept your concession.
@@Ian.Murray They never said that children wouldn't, they said that they would. Everyone would have to provide an id to prevent them from violating the age requirements.
Even Canadian insult jokes are polite.
He's red, physically and metaphorically. He is a very passionate man; you can see it in his face.
I lol'd
Is the “I’m just a bill” song even relevant in Canada?
yep. We watch a lot of US TV channels over here. A lot of cities in Canada are so close to the border that we can sometimes pick up American channels over the air broadcasts.
Conversely, in the US, I lived close enough to watch George Stroumboulopoulos on TV growing up.
If you grew up anywhere near the US boarder (90% BTW) then it does, but yes it means nothing, lol. Good old Saturday morning cartoons.
it still plays internationally
the processes are broadly similar
@@ClintTheriaultNot only that, but a lot of American shows are made or filmed in Canada. Like so many shows on PBS were voiced by Americans, and animated by Canadians, and written by both!
One thing I want to add to the conversation about the sensitivity and privacy conversation around China is this: China has a law that forces VTubers/streamers above a certain subscriber count to provide their official documentation to streaming sites if they want to continue operating for the Chinese audience. This year, for Chinese New Year, the government (whether purposefully or not) published a list of all the most popular VTubers/streamers *including their names and faces* as a CNY "celebration". Yes, you read that right. In other words, China forcibly doxxed their content creators, many of whom never wanted their faces to ever be seen. There's definitely some very major privacy concerns over working with the Chinese government in any capacity, directly or indirectly.
this is only just one of the few surface-level issues of allowing another world super power having all that data on citizens of another superpower, we havent even remotely begun considering the geopolitical implications this might have, especially since it's been demonstrated by with one messagebox you can definitely affect the outcome of a certain law being passed, how much more if it was done in a much much much more sinister and subtle way.
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And the American government which is no better than China they just think they are.
In Arkansas, the bill was challenged by NetChoice and was placed on hold hours before it was to become law. The Arkansas bill placed restrictions on anyone under the age of 18 without parental consent and age had to be verified by driver's license, government ID, or other commercially reasonable methods. To date, the law is still on hold.
thanks for asking, JAKOB!
my favorite animal is a BEAR!
Honestly, I agree social media shouldn’t be allowed for kids under 18. That said, governments are terrible at legislating tech in general, and bans on much of anything historically don’t work. Reforms to stuff like S230 would be the most effective, as it would force companies to better enforce their own rules. Personally, if a law’s enforcement requires you to throw copies of your ID all over the internet, it’s a bad idea
Yeah, this is what I’m worried about. A lot of people don’t think of it this way, but if some of these laws pass, the only way that people would be able to be verified as being able to access the services would be through procedures like what the CCP does where you literally have to provide your citizen ID number And verifiable information that connects you as a person to each account you create. There is no way with all the data breaches that happen that any company in this day and age would be able to protect that level of detail. People Social Security numbers and birthdates are already being stolen from government agencies. Do we really want corporations and those same agencies to hold onto all of that information… At that point just assume literally everything about you is public record and has already been stolen.
A very important fact about Chinese companies: Once they are a certain size, they are required to have employees that represent the CCP. So the question is not if they give data to the CCP, as the CCP is already in the company.
Rare voice of consciousness. Bravo
In China if the CCP asks for information you are required to give it and if you don't you are in deep......I watch a CZcams channel were the presenters lived in China for a combined period of 25 years and their stories about the CCP now they live in the USA are scary. The amount of control they have over an average citizen is truly scary.
哥们，你说的是对的
well, US companies don't need to do that because there's no law about it but that's what the FBI and NSA are for 🤣aka PRYSM software and all
Pretty sure you can substitute"Chinese" here for any Western country as well. Anyone with the power to do this is doing this, there's no "good guys" on this one. Even the EU for all their wins have major issues here. Assume you can't have privacy online at all and you'll be practically if not absolutely correct.
Why not just force these companies to remove some of their PURPOSELY developed addicting factors/features?
Oh because the politicians don't care about adults being addicted to social media, or kids for that matter. They just want you to vote for them.
bingo...
That still won't fix it affecting kids, especially wm in a negative way, please read at least one of the studies
Florida is straightforward. Rob our stores, 30 years hard labor. Break into a house? Death. Try and hurt children? Banned. See the connection? Florida punishments work.
That would be a much bigger breach on the companies freedoms than simply limiting kids access to it. And much harder to do. What is the perfect balance of dopamine responses the companies are allowed to make? That would really not work at all.
This.
Any kind of "solution" that requires/results in individuals giving up social media makes it a bad compromise: either deal with the data collection, advertising, and addictive algorithms, or give it up when others around you are all using it. Why put the blame on individuals for being addicted and not the company for making it addictive in the first place? Regulation in the tech industry is what I believe we need, because as many have mentioned, its not just kids being harmed by this. It hurts everyone, and we are not responsible, but we're expected to fix it.
I think as they exist right now, Social media is one of the worst things for most people to sink their time into. Now, if they were to give us more granular control over what is on our feeds, then some of that goes away. But, as it is, I get 9 ads or pages that I'm not subscribed to for every friend or page I am following that they show me.
Yes! Social media has the power to be one of the best inventions of our time if not for companies taking advantage of users for money.
aww, i love red panda so much it hurts, saw them irl at birmingham uk, asleep, in a tree. they escaped once, thought to have been blown from a tree they were asleep in, but they were found a few hours later, asleep, in a nearby tree. i love Riley as much as i love RP and Riley is the red panda of humans
This legislation is akin to the Steam age-verification checks where everyone just picks a random year to bypass the ESRB 17+ barrier.
That is until they start doing what the CCP does and demand that you provide your state issued identification number and personal information to access that information. They literally have a database that you must be connected to in order to access specific things. It’s not just click a button. It’s please provide your identification details and a valid Phone number which is attached to your citizen identification number. If you do not do this, you cannot access this system.
22:50 you're also missing another important point is that its not just about giving away user private locations, but also being able to see what they watch/like/interested in and being fully in control of what kind of content is FED to you. so if they detect that someone might be possibly on the fringe of being misinformed and potentially subversive to American (or Canadian, or European, Or Australian etc.) society interest they could start feeding them, more propaganda seeding further discord.
privacy is merely one of multiple ways that a social media company that is owned and ran by a potentially hostile government can manipulate your own nation's citizens.
Keep in mind to that this only affects Counties that the United States view as adversaries. This are North Korea, Iran, Russia and China. As a Chinese company they must by law give up ANY data if requested. Also Tick - Tock already demonstrated it's willingness to alter its algorithm to affect others. For example When Hamas attacked Israel the discourse of pro Hamas and pro Israel was similar to other sites. After a few hours it suddenly became mostly pro Hamas.
You seem to be implying that propaganda is something that originates from “outside”.
What if it’s your own government trying to misinform you? Oh. I forgot. America can do no wrong. China bad America good. Russia bad Ukraine good. Palestinians are all terrorists, Israel good... America free, the rest of the world is totalitarian… hmm, am I forgetting anything?
No government should be allowed to have private access to data within any company. Let alone a government being able to trickle feed manipulation. Sadly I don't know any first world country that hasn't been doing some form of trickle fed manipulation for a long time. Sadly now it's way way easier to do for more of the population. The Red Scare from the 50's is a great example of the U.S. "disappearing" people that were accused of being communist. That's ironically similar behavior as their Soviet enemy sending dissenters to the gulag. Proving that Americans too are worthy of sacrifice so long as it's for "protecting the nation".
Don't forget the illegal secret police stations that could act on that kind of information.
i maybe could understand that if the algorithm is owned by a government but we really haven't seen any of these claims that you make, if anything it has lowered discord
Wish I was born into a world where social media is banned.
This episode was super good, you had me hooked the whole time. Very interesting times…
*I like the idea but the method could have been implemented differently. Tech is out pacing Parents and Parents don't seem to want to learn how to learn new ways. Parents forget that this can be done at home by simply using your Parental Mode thru your router, the one's ya buy from Stores. Very simple to implement but I'm surprised that parents are unaware of these features*
*Why is your entire comment bold?*
They don’t want to fix the issue. Rather than forcing Tiktok to sell, citing privacy concerns, they should pass legislation to make EVERY social media implement proper privacy and safety measures. Forcing Tiktok to sell doesn’t actually fix anything.
Once TikTok has been sold to a U.S. company, there will most certainly be less privacy, not the same amount. More information will be stored and likely misused by this platform. This is the same reason why I am highlighting Free-and-Open-Source solutions like Lemmy.
It fixes a huge thing: Hitting Chinese revenue and data access to US citizens. But other than that, it does nothing about the safety of minors. And it's already dumb to treat teenagers like toddlers in the first place so banning teens in social media does nothing. They'll be going to underground sites instead.
They don't want to fix anything...they don't want the Chinese government having access to our data but private American companies are acceptable.
Forcing tik tok to sell isnt about making it less addictive or helping privacy or helping kids or anything, its about national security, the ccp uses it to track politicians and reporters as well as to inject propaganda in and delete any info thats negative about china, its quickly becoming dominant in the social media space and its where younger people get a lot if not most of their news from, its about fixing the issue of the most popular social media and news app being ran by a hostile foreign power, thats not to say i support it, if you look into how its enforced its got a nice undertone of surveillance state
Exactly. Interesting how congress is suddenly interested in this one company right after high-up people in the country that the ICC said is committing g*noc*de (hopefully this posts this time) started complaining about young people not believing their propaganda. The major facets of this issue is those with the most power not being able to control people's perceptions and essentially stealing a profitable company for tech billionaires to reap the benefits. All the talk about privacy is absurd considering every week some US tech company is in the news for privacy negligence. Privacy is just the excuse they're using right now. If this doesn't go through we're going to see a different strategy from them in a few months to a year
CZcams is different because anyone can go and watch videos without making an account. So there is limited capacity to monitor and enforce any sort of consumption, though they would likely enforce rules for account holders.
I think the roots of the problems with social media stem from the space being anti-competitive. If we are to legislate this space, it should be with the goal of fostering choice among consumers. In my mind, this means forcing these companies to adopt open standards around content delivery that allow for third-party interfaces, and to ensure the user's full control over what parties have access to their data.
The main thing propping up the monopolistic nature of the space is the companies' ownership of the network itself.
Then question becomes, if we all agree it's wrong if China has our data, then why isn't equally wrong when the U.S. has it? Why isn't it called out as wrong when the U.S. is doing the manipulation China is doing? Hiding one's skeletons behind a hero complex isn't justification of a wannabe hero. Personally, I'd rather avoid trusting any governing body whatsoever. I'd really prefer if our data could just be ours, but we've yet to see any movement that direction. Social media is also only part of the larger person data issue too. 84% of all auto brands are also selling people's data. Ironically the ones that aren't are mostly luxury brands like Porsche and Ferrari. Some people are struggling to get insurance now because their car's data was collected, sold, then purchased by insurers and blacklisted from getting service from those insurers. Governments are the kings, and the corporations that lobby those "kings" are the nobility that lord over us peasants. We're barely kept around to serve as the foundation for their society to live and build on.
You’re right, but from a governmental perspective it’s less about right and wrong and more about national security.
Maybe I’m a conspiracy theorist but TikTok gives China lots of data *and lots of control* over the minds of the West’s next generation. Subtle manipulation of the algorithm can sway the opinion of the younger population towards or away from a cause. TikTok is not just propaganda on steroids, it’s manipulating brains, culture, attention spans and work ethic. I’ve heard it said that TikTok in China promotes different causes like family and national loyalty, I’m not sure I believe that but it’s definitely possible.
If China is gearing up for some sort of confrontation then this is an excellent play and I’m fully convinced this is the reason behind the government action more than anything else.
23:48 I find myself agreeing with Riley. I have less issue with China having my data than the US, even though both are equally wrong. I’m in the UK and initiatives like Five Eyes are worth bearing in mind. It’s the aforementioned control that is far more scary.
Previous comment got removed but basically tin foil hat theory that China has control over the TikTok algorithm and can use that to manipulate the younger generations of the West. That’s far more scary than data and likely why the government is interested at all.
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Yeah the issue with spyware and shit isn't which government is doing the spying... USA doesn't exactly love whistleblowers though
Banning entirely might be a bit extreme. Social media can have positive uses too. Maybe stronger parental controls and digital literacy education are better solutions.
Depends on the parents. There's a couple of generations that are as bad as the kids for lacking woosa and privacy skills. Laundry aint for the public.
@@zigzagtoes You're right, poor digital literacy isn't limited to younger generations. Maybe the solution isn't a total ban, but rather promoting digital responsibility for all ages!
People forget that everyone has to provide ID, not just kids. If you use social media in florida, you now need to provide ID because how else would they be able to tell if a person is 13 or 31 or 91??? Do you think Americans will provide ID to all the social media sites???
the question is if they cant stop bots creating fakes accounts, how are they going to truly stop minors create account and accessing the content.
The algorithms in social media and the intention of monitization is what’s makes social media platforms bad.
That makes many #fediverse platforms much better. They don’t try to push things down your throat so to extract profit from you.
I think both parties want this to happen. The outliners are just shouting.
They should make it mandatory to be able to turn off the feed algorithms (or even better, off by default, with the option to enable it)
Its concerning to see peoples responses to the social media bill...
Not everybody will have safe family situations and this could directly harm them
if you don't have a safe family situation, are mean posts on SM really of immediate concern? I mean cyberbullying sucks but not as much as abuse in the home..?
@@pieterrossouw8596 I'm concerned about people in unsafe situations having less contact with people outside of their family
My girlfriend is still 15 for another month and her only contact outside of her extremely abusive family is with people she knows through social media (the age gap between us is less than 9 months dw)
Also as always all these internet users and experts complaining how kids are harmed online and it must be stopped have no concern over the destruction of privacy to "protect the kids"...
It's a very interesting point in American politics where objectively harmful crap to the whole populace gets accepted by swarms if you just say "think of the kids!"
The another episode got me
If you don't have a young child you probably don't realize how good of a thing this really is. Social media has ruined this generation.
Its an excuse to get adults to register themselves online, honestly, think about it, even for a second before you post.
Definitely and studies shows that too
Parents should parent…not legislate their parental responsibilities. If you are counting on that, your kids are probably going to do what they want.
If you don't pay literally any amount of attention to non-mainstream media you probably don't realize this isn't about kids in the slightest. The right is doing their usual "won't someone think of the children" shit to do this so they can ID people online, and so they can ban tiktok because they can't stop the actual, live footage from gaza showing Israel committing gen o cide. Compare an hour of the media spin to an hour of the actual footage from tiktok and other places, and you'll see the exact reason that "banning tiktok" is making the rounds again.
No, lack of parents responsability and accountability has ruined this generation. I grew up playing videogames but my mom raised me well enough to not be addicted to them and understand they're just videogames, not real life. Same goes with social media. When parents think their kids will automatically "know" or "understand" that social media isn't real life but a facade for attention seeking people, that's when the problem starts. And yes, social media has been built to be addictive like casinos for that small dose of serotonine every few posts, but it's up to the parents to teach their kids how to handle it.
I need to catch this show more often. It was dope to have playing in the background.
Appreciate the commentary, very good discussion. And Horseshoe Crab
I remember 7-10 years ago, social media sites like Instagram, CZcams, and even Facebook said you have to be older than 13 to get an account and children are NOT to even use the sites. But these days, they're geared almost exclusively for these kids because so many of them are on these sites already. So, there's a MOTHER-LOAD of money to be made. Money, money, money! Follow money trails to get answers.
That was not government intervention. This is very different. This is the government telling you what you are allowed to access and install on your own devices. On threat of arrest and life in prison. This is china level stuff
I dont even like being accessible to 10s of ppl at all times. Theres no way millions is healthy.
I didn't realize I'm actually here for the ad reads; thank you gents!
Love the longer form stuff!
Beware, the standard method for enforcing these laws is to require every affected platform to require the government ID of every single one of their users. With KOSA for example requiring any platform/website with user generated content to both enact specific moderation and collect the ID of every single user.
At least it'd be more useful than that terrible cookie thing the EU wanted.
@@tonyburzio4107Please explain
Yep, forced mass identification of everyone online. excuse is kids. mindless sheeps who cant string a coherent thought in the comments here praising this as a good thing because social media bad. Its not kid's ID's theyre collecting or verifying.
Purely only speaking from my own experience of being a creator there, TikTok absolutely does not have the best recommendation algorithm. It consistently serves your content to the incorrect demographic and never seems to learn, this is 700+ videos and 12 months later.
People watch 700 TikTok’s in half a week dude
@@dahstroyer OK? What's that got to do with what I said tho?
@@Reginaldborington the TikTok algorithm is really good. Your either an edge case or your sample size wasn’t large enough
@@dahstroyer Yea I dunno about good. You can call it the best one, but it can still be absolutely shit and still be the best of a shit bunch. 700 videos over 12 months is more than enough of a smaple size, and I see this on tons of other creators.
I'm not pleased with government intervention, but I don't think people under 16 (maybe even 18) should be allowed on social media.
Also, a note for how laws get made in the US, if a governor (or president) vetos a bill that bill (law) gets sent back to the voting body to adjust, cancel, or vote again. If the vetoed bill or any bill in general receives a certain percentage of votes, it gets signed into law even if the governor initially vetoed it.
I remember being in middle school and having to make a second "parent" account to authorize me to be able to even make my Yahoo! account back in the day. They took COPPA seriously, so to get their tracking data, you had to get parental permission to make an account.
Social media has an obligation to the public to stand in and put these policies in place, to prevent these types of bills from even being a thought.
thank god, now I don't need to put "minor dni" anymore.
but how does the government verify the minor?
They don't. Also minors dni is a waste of bio chars cause they ALWAYS interact.
Just ban minors from existing. Or fine the parents if they caught letting minors using it.
@@linkfreeman1998 I'm fine with banning minors from existing :3
People living longer than me always irked me on a philosophical level. Plus it'd be great for nature.
@@notbfg9000 to me, I hate modern generations, and I also dont want them to suffer as well.
California's digital ID app (which is still very new and doesn't have wide adoption) works with a service called TruAge. Apparently it's a service that using either a RealID or a digital ID, in supported jurisdictions, an identity request can be made only for the information that is absolutely necessary to complete the transaction. The talking points when I was signing up for a digital ID made it sound like it was mostly for in-person transactions, like buying alcohol, adult content, or gaining access to a bar or club. But theoretically a system like that could be used, if actually tied close enough to the government, to do the same thing online, only divulge the information necessary to protect the seller from liability.
And by only what's needed, things like not passing along address information, or actual date of birth (just age in years), or potentially even a name if it's ultimately not necessary for the transaction. It might pick up traction, but knowing the US, it's not gonna... Or at least not fast enough to prevent a black market from forming underneath it.
PS if you use a VPN none of this matters
ah, 30 minute Riley and Weird Al show, I'll watch it at least once a week
The problem is how do you verify you are an adult without collecting sensitive data over the Internet like Drive license picture, with take out the anonymous status and protection as well as subject to masive potential leaks
No laws with any teeth will ever be enforced so this law means nothing.
Require a valid phone number to register on social media and have companies randomly ask for this at random times like every 2-3 weeks so kids don't use temp numbers.
Children have phone numbers. In the US, 37% of parents of nine- to 11-year-olds say their child has their own smartphone.
ooor parents could, you know, raise their kids themselves.
I really like this. The cadence of having these only once-and-awhile feels good. I see this and think _"Oh cool, perfect, I'm doing XYZ mindless activity, I'll have this on and periodically glance over while listening"._
Americans: ban violent video games,ban social media,ban assault rifles? How dare you 😂😂
Whether your kids get internet access or not, it's a parent problem, not a regulation. It's the same BS story they told when video games were introduced, when TV was introduced.
It's a control thing: What you have is a short man trying to stomp his big boots onto everyone's life, especially young people.
this is forced mass identification of everyone online. Its not kid's ID's theyre collecting or verifying its yours
Hard to argue against the wisdom of banning social media for kids, but I'm going to bet it's a plan to stop kids becoming educated about their representatives.
I want Riley and Jakob to host this weeks WAN Show.
There is never a situation I want to be in where I have to hear or see the the unfiltered opinion of a 14 year old. This bill is a massive W.
Yes, because an innocent unjaded, opinion based on fairness is so often confronting to adults who's priorities have become corrupt.
Yes, I'm talking about the children demanding a gun band so they don't get murdered at school, and any other time a young person holds a mirror up to the adults to shame them for their callus corruption.
@@saturnblueyou talk like this as if urself isnt corrupted.
@@saturnblueGTFO. You're all over this comment section trying to defend the fact that you think kids are smarter than adults. There's a reason kids don't rule the world buddy.
Minors cope & seethe. Your opinion ---> straight into the bin.
@@pwd1134it’s because the rich don’t want young people running
I wish they would just ban it out right. I’ve lost so many friends to social media. The addiction is real.
This is funny and yet still true
Ban CZcams too. And don’t stop there. Ban communication.
@@kode54do you really want to pretend that social media isn't absurdly toxic and harmful to young people who often don't have the coping mechanisms and self esteem to deal with just how shitty people can be behind a keyboard? kids are legit taking their own lives (or the lives of others) over shit like cyber bullying
@@ubernewb3005 Social media just makes it way too easy for people to communicate with a broad audience, or be exposed to a broad audience, often anonymized, for better or worse. It makes it much easier for people to reveal how awful they are. Sure, let's go back to when people didn't know these things. People were bullied to death before social media was a thing, but I guess nobody had to know about it as easily.
Social media also manages to connect "othered" people with each other, but sure, we can take that away too.
It's an addiction like a drug and being feed too much brain rot info one of it is coming from Tik tok.
I see a boom in the VPN industry when this law takes effect.
Even though I don't use TikTok nor do I like the platform, the request for BiteDance/TikTok to sell to an American company is just the prime example of their hypocritical double standards. On the one hand one would be laying to themselves if they think that the US government does not collect information on their companies users, and them using the CCP as an argument is similar to criticizing other countries for using some weapon thay they themselves use.
Secondly, putting another major Social Media company under US supervision would complete a Media monopoly controlled singlehandedly by the US (as if they need to take more from other countries to control everything) that would only be worst if they are right over the TikTok algorithm. If they are that worried about the CCP, why not request BiteDance to be sold to anyone, or even a share ownership between EU (just as an example) countries (not that I think something like that any of those would be a good idea anyway, but it's in the sake of argument regarding their point). It's just a pretext for them to get a hold of media control.
The simple summary is that they have made a hypocritical excuse to have media companies under no one else supervision but theirs.
Facebook does not (at least used to) have infinite scrolling. I have reached the end. It told me to add more friends to see more posts.
Really? When Im on it it just shows me random posts forever
It is probable that they changed it since I last doom scrolled on it but I do have the screenshot laying around somewhere@@RainbowGin
Alright I hit 31 seconds
I'll be back later for the tech news later
I follow you Linus Guys since ever. How I missed that podcast? Greetz from Germany
More of this please! 😊😊
I think it's a good thing. I guess we'll just have to wait, and see.
I love when canadians educate me about my own state
I live in Australia and I think it is sad that Americans refuse to take suggestions or ideas that work in other countries. Before you reply to argue, I should warn you I will use guns as an example because Australia hasn't had a child shot at school this year....
@@saturnblue Australia isn't a govt. that could do almost anything they want on the planet, and has a history of doing so. To other populations and its own. It also has a massive world-made barrier from outside interference. It even has a name. It's also mostly monocultured.
Australia is an awful example. Only a few countries have similarities to America, and its definitely not any with obscene wealth, except China. Brazil, China, and Russia come close in terms of geographic/cultural tension. This leaves China as the best comparator, and its obviously a very different govt system (for now) akin to an authoritarian commu-capital-monarchy hybrid.
Then, you have American media, the most influential media in the world, that spotlights and puts killers into infamy, which entices those that want the world to know how they feel.
So find a comparative country first, before comparing them. That's how this works. Comparing a single cog in a system to another cog in an entirely different system is not helpful at all to either system.
I wonder what Norway would be like without oil. A country with the population lower than many low population USA states. Anyway...
@saturnblue so glad that you enlightened Australians are here to help guide us 🙄
pov: americans when they discover stuff that happen in the US impact every other country in the world.
@@saturnblueyou realize more gun control laws wont help. If someone is already breaking the law, why would they suddenly obey the law and hand in their guns? There sadly are already tons of illegal gun owners out there. More laws wont suddenly give them a change of heart.
Hey, how about we ban selling people's online data (and while we are at it, ban governments from also selling their citizen's online data)? No money, no incentive.
It's come down to this. Riley trying to keep the show on topic. Also great show guys.
HEY, he's the one who started talking about MSN Messenger chatbot...
this is less about TikTok etc and more about a continued and ongoing effort to enforce US industry superiority by having 2 sets of rules.
its basically the same thing they always accuse the CCP of doing with its uncaring approach to North American IP Law
I never thought I'd hear something passing by Republicans where I'd be like "Yeah, I get it." I left all social media (besides YT clearly) years ago and it was easily one of the best things I've ever done. The QOL improvement was like...just unbelievably huge.
And you didn’t even need the government to take it away from you 🤷♂️
@@ryanhamstra49 Tell that to the 1000s of children that constantly hurt themselves, sometimes doing worse, every single day.
"Math-turbation" just killed me!
this is so good - its great seeing jakob's real, relaxed personality too :-)
Not being addicted to social media is easy. Don't get social media.
Doesn't sound too bad of an idea. Seeing the pure mind rot and all the personal stuff people put on social media that are my age, I can't imagine how it will ruin the next generation.
You know, I really enjoyed this format
I recently not uninstalled, but removed my social media apps from my home screen on my phone. Just doing that has completely removed my envy for doom scrolling. Because now there are extra steps involved in order to do it.
I could see an Android or iOS update that blocks social media apps from being allowed to display on the home screen. Maybe some would be less inclined to do it.
Throw an option in developper mode to allow it for those who NEED it and voila. Not perfect but I'm sure this would reduce the urge for some young folks.
Can we just ban all apps with infinite scrolling? Asking for a friend.
Ima be honest, the ban wont do anything unless you go full china on it. Parents need to just teach their kids the downsides of certain things and pay attention to their kids.
Yeh but multiple generations of parents have proven that they cant do that. That's why it's such a huge issue. And since kids are the future letting their brains rot while their shitty parents do nothing is not an option, it needs to be regulated. Though this "ban" is more about the China aspect rather than the harm aspect.
omg i forgot about the MSN chatbot aha and I agree with riley, social media has become a toxic sludge fueled by money these days. Its not the same anymore compared to when we were growing up
21:27 yes, Mr. Riley. it's literally Article 7 of the Chinese National Intelligence law
To everyone agreeing with the ban, please hear me out:
The problem is not that kids are using social media. The problem is that social media is addictive and harmful for everyone. It doesn't just magically stop being harmful at the age of 16, or 18, or 30, or 65. So if something is going to be done, it needs to make it better for everyone. Also, anything that makes individuals give up social media just places the blame on us, rather than the companies that caused this. We didn't choose addictive design that prioritizes profit over our well being! We don't need to fix the problem the tech industry created. The industry needs to fix it. And if they won't, the government needs to regulate targeted advertising, which is the reason for addictive design in the first place.
You know you guys can make it more political without presenting personal political opinions. Like going into more detail on what different political sides of the spectrum are saying about the one issue. Just a thought.
Riley gets his big sweaters from the same place David Byrne gets his big suits.
When you start take into consideration all of the good that comes with social media like mental health, lgbtqia+, disabilities, and more support groups it’s not great. There’s going ing to be a lot of kids who will feel extremely alone in their experiences without social media. It’s not that simple to just ban the whole thing 😒.
If you are going to talk about a bill maybe you should read the entire bill.
I think you guys have a misunderstanding about Republicans wanting small government. They want small FEDERAL government. They believe states should be allowed to do whatever they want within the confines of the constitution. Maybe the confusion comes from being canadian? Staye government vs federal government are massively different.
Lots of Canadian provinces wish they could throw off the yoke of the crazy central government too.
@@tonyburzio4107 Often our provincial premiers are not much better. e.g. Danielle Smith in AB. facepalm.
Can we ban advertising from social media platforms and then it could be “social media” and not another advertising and sales platform.
I would just like to add something. The bill was initially vetoed because it would require companies to collect ID cards to verify the persons age, that’s why it was vetoed the first time.
Most social media made you accept that you're not a minor anyway. So the Florida ban is doubly stupid
TikTok/Bytedance being pressured by the USG isn't the first. I remember chatting with Marty Roesch (creator of Snort and co-founder of Sourcefire) around the time he began to sell Sourcefire to Israeli-owned Checkpoint. The USG filed an injunction.
For those who don't know: Snort is (N)IDS software, often a NIDS is required to be deployed due to legislative compliance mandates. So imagine like, DOD networks, needing a NIDS, and having previously liked having deployed Snort due to its libre/free open source software nature.
Long story short: Marty was in escrow on a house. He did not get the house. Marty, did not get to complete the sale of Sourcefire, to Checkpoint.
Instead, the USG helped to take Sourcefire public.
Eventually, Sourcefire was acquired by Cisco; but again, Cisco is a US owned company.
The problem with parental permission, is the parents don't actually give the permission in most cases.
Only a single generation ago the parents wouldn't even know what the internet was, much less what the more tech savvy kids were doing.
These days most parents know at least some of the internet, within their bubbles, still don't have any idea what their kids are doing online,
but are AFK in their parenting, letting the internet raise their kids.
Online there are tons of content farms, specifically aimed at exploiting the child demographic, that is what really needs more regulation.
_Based on the age of majority, since everyone is online, most of the internet users are now 16-20years old, so teens and exploiters raising the younger generations._
The US government still has to go through the court system to get access us social media companies..!!
Going to have to go with the peacock, we have them here (in kentucky) and its just nice to see one just doing its birb things.
we already have this in australia, guess how much this stops them? if your guess want not at all, your correct.
We do?
I am a UK citizen(full disclosure)...as a principle I do find myself agreeing that something, perhaps drastic needs to be done to keep everyone, especially our children safe from what's on line...however, as has been touched on, there are a wide amount of things and issues that are interconnected with an issue such as this...I do however find it positive that the issue surrounding online safety and what effect it is having on both education and in some cases security is being addressed...it is not a simple topic by any means
Nothing changes, except that adults will now have to provide ID's when they make accounts for themselves online. Its like going to a protest and the sign you're holding has your full name, date of birth and address.
I actually really like the Pangolin. Its an awesome little animal that looks like a cross between an anteater and an artichoke
WOW, a measure with no effect, costly, that can also increase the number of people voting on the opposition? Do he remember that these teens will grown up and vote?
This governor is on another level of genius.