5 Things That Worked and Failed in the WFC Trilogy
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War For Cybertron brought a lot of new things to the Transformer shelves, some good, some bad, so let's see how things balance out.
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One thing really disappointed me was the abandonment of the cool transforming weapons we saw in siege, great play value, fantastic for posing on shelves, and makes a lot of sense that giant transforming robots would have transforming weapons
I loved this trilogy as a whole, but my least favorite part was easily the exclusives issue.
You think you had it bad? Try being a Transformers fan who doesn't live in the USA, worse yet, on a third world country; I have zero hope of getting exclusives and somehow it's cheaper for me to buy my toys from bloody Japan.
Wfc trilogy was honestly cool,with such an unique figures especially for siege and a great reboots for bw figures in kingdom and a great titan class figures (the ark) and my favourite figures will be probably : siege barricade-siege sideswipe- siege megatron-siege Galaxy upgrade optimus-siege hot shot-earthrise skylynx-earthrise scorpnok-kingdom scorpnok-kingdom the ark-kingdom tracks but no trilogy can beat the legend,the unicron trilogy
@@angjunyigalenmsh9942 not gonna lie the show has a great humor like cyberverse and superlink(energon)
Elita-One figure was crap
She was so shellformer she made the 2006 figure which was a retool of Cybertron Thunder last look fantastic
@@demonking86420 most of earthrise figures are a trash,that's why i mentioned only skylynx and scorpnok (snap dragon was good to me but i forgot to mention him and the same for siege ape face)
@@angjunyigalenmsh9942 siege was the best part of the trilogy especially the toys i have a lot of favourite toys but the most favourite to me is like what i said sideswipe-barricade-megatron-galaxy upgrade optimus-hot shot
@@bilal_MH-907 ah yeah plus Elita was an Arcee retool
Even energon has a better Arcee toy
the weaponiser/modulator/fossilizer stuff was what got me back into transformers; they could do so much, especially with duplicates
I feel that Siege could have gone even more cybertronian and fantastical with the alt modes. As it is they look like near future earth cars with the serial numbers filed off. So most of them feel a bit redundant when you have earthrise versions with their iconic alt modes.
Someone once said "If we'd known the Earthrise versions were coming, would we have even bought the Siege ones?" and there's several characters that is true.
In my fantasy world, the WFC heads of Bumblebee, Wheeljack, Arcee and Ironhide will all fit into their SS Bumblebee Cybertron bodies if I ever get them
@@davidm4566 Agreed. Though I ended up finding and getting the Buzzworthy Origins Bumblebee yesterday. Really drives home what it's like when they try to make an alien vehicle, and works so well.
@@davidm4566 It really depends. I love how the Sidswipe mold worked out, but one look at the Datsun Bros in Siege I passed. Smokescreen on the other hand works perfectly for me with his Earthrise.
@@davidm4566 He's got the 5mm ports and fireblast pegs, so yeah clearly a Siege. Wierd how the two BB figures we've been wanting get shoved into store exclusives. Hope they do the Earthmode BB again in Buzzworthy, so I can finally nab that
The COMBAT system with standardized 5mm points. This allowed for so much play value and made Weaponizers/fossilizers a viable subline. Sure it meant that every toy had a bunch of holes in them, but it also meant a lot of backwards compatibility with anything that connected via 5mm pegs including anything that ever plugged into minicons. Armada toys can carry around WFC figures as if that was their function. Armada Unicron can carry the entire first years worth of G1 autobots on his rings
my favorite figure of the trilogy would have to be kingdom cyclonus. he looks good from EVERY angle and adore the fun transformation. its almost third party witchcraft! the thing i hate tho is missing the earthrise & seige ironhide / ratchet figures.. when i was in store i never saw any (likely due to DAMN SCALPERS) and the prices for those exceed the value of those figures.. last i checked, i saw a siege ironhide on ebay go for 150 dollars... its absurd... hopefully i can get the studio series ratchet and ironhide from the bumblebee movie. gotta move fast!
One thing I thought worked well was scale. Unlike previous lines, they were willing to break from established price-point sizes and replicate the varied heights we saw on screen. Ironhide and Trailbreaker, etc as large deluxes evened out Cliffjumper and Huffer, etc as small deluxes. Even in vehicle mode they scale well, with Huffer able to haul Prime's trailer and Cliffjumper still being a reasonably sized compact car. This, combined with the renewed focus on G1 accuracy, made it seem to me like they were giving us the definitive G1 update collection, faster and more affordable than Masterpiece. Now I just need another chance at some of those impossible-to-find exclusives....
Im going to quibble with you on one thing, any exclusive that Target gets means you HAVE to get their in-store credit card to gain access to purchase those and is really a racket for target exclusives to gain money from credit card sign ups, and they do gain a decent amount per person on sign ups. That and it made getting the tetra jet seeker and Road Rage much more annoying than it should be.
Yeah, it's REAL messed up that if a kid wants one of those figures, they have no way to get it themselves from Target. It just feels dirty to lock a stupid toy behind a credit or debit card sign up. Even as an adult, I have no interest in damaging my credit by signing up for a card I know I won't use just to buy a toy.
@@fakename5307 That and third-party markup after the fact on them is buggin nuts.
I work at target and just wince every time an exclusive is announced.
I actually saw 2 T-Wrecks on the normal shelf, but didn't have the money. I went back later & he was gone. :(
Great video, would love to see more like this in future with both positives and negatives together.
I agree with all apart from the Micromasters because honestly I feel like one of the biggest reasons they flopped is actually the retailers
Not sure about other locales but here all of the stores literally only stock deluxe and up, it is so rare to see anything smaller for some reason
I don't understand because they are great pocketmoney toys. Yes true for us adult collectors they maybe arent as engaging (although to be fair I love them), but I can imagine they would be an important sector of the market for kids if they had been actually distributed!
The perfect sort of 'passing trade' toy like 'okay Jimmy pick something that's like a tenner and lets go' rather than being sought out, and the fact they are two packs makes them all the more fun because you only need one pack to have fun! Yknow?
I felt they didn't go far enough with the cybertronian modes in Siege. That was what sort of bothered me about the remolds for Earthrise, it made the Siege figures feel like they were just placeholders until the "real" version came out, even if stuff like Ironhide/Ratchet were clearly just cobbled together from their Siege versions. I get they still have to be recognizable as those characters, but I just wanted to see other cybertronian modes that weren't just a car or truck with a few "alien" flourishes here and there. I almost bet they didn't do a cybertronian Wheeljack because they wouldn't have been able to reuse much for an earth mode version.
My major disappointment was that they used the standard Optimus Prime mold for the Nemesis Prime of the series. Galaxy Upgrade Optimus is an amazing figure and we’ve never had a Nemesis repaint of Cybertron Prime and it would have been great to get that repaint finally.
To me, what worked the better was finally doing non-G1 stuff (Beast Wars) and what didn't work was the thousands bajillion repaints and re-releases!
Seriously, how many variants of Earthrise Megs and Optimus did we get?
Also, the QC was atrocious.
I learned the hard way not to leave the blast effects attached. I lost some paint off Omega Supreme and a few of the others with painted weapons. Fortunately, it was fairly minor.
I feel like Micromasters would’ve impacted more if they decided to do a slight nod towards Armada, and made the components for the Star Saber… (I mean personally, I liked the Micromasters/mini-cons)
I wish they did a hydra cannon thing with them making star saber minicons and all
Siege micromaster air strike patrol whisper and stormcloud formed a sword that looked like the starsaber sword from armada.
@@jasonparis5635 oh, yeah. I got that pack, and I quite enjoy it.
am i the only person that like micro masters and battle masters!? more stuff like this tho this was fun
i just got terrosaur and i feel bad that other people won't be able to get him so i don't like exclusives
I absolutely love all the micromasters! So underrated
I felt it was like a return to minicins, which were a neat idea
Yep, I bought 10 of them and I'm not going to share ;)
for some I liked it, for some I hated it.
take blastmaster and phazer. phazer works as a gun, it even have effect ports. blastmaster on his own really doesn't, and their combined form it's litterally "weapon mode upside down".
on the other hand, take flak and topshot, they are a thing of beuty and works both as combine weapon, as robot and as veicles (even if flak became a tankette).
there are 2 version of the targetmasters and 2 version of the weapon, the effect parts are most of the package worth, but the other, more unique ones like the meelee and rungare more than worthy. still 50/50 on the plankformers ones...
I liked the lower price point & the simple gun transformations. My issue was finding them in stores, besides the same MM across 3-4 Ollie's.
I like this type of video, it's a great way to do a mini retrospectivie! Here's hoping for a Prime Wars Trilogy version as well
My favorite part was the first proper return to Beast Wars, yeah we’ve had scattered releases in previous lines but to have such a focus on characters that I was never able to get as toys before this was so exciting, I bought all the retail beasts and I’m working on the exclusive ones like Grimlock
Least favorite part was weaponizers and modulators, I just didn’t care about them at all I got sixgun and I really didn’t like it, I wish they just made the weaponizer characters just proper transformers instead of what we got (I love fossilizers tho for the reason you said)
Same here. Seeing Beast Wars in WFC is what got me back into collecting TFs.
@@slugmaligma9248 I've heard of sugma, but what's slugma?
@@mirumask it’s a Pokémon
@@mirumask Slugma balls
As always very enjoyable. Keep it up
KID: Dad, who invented rubber tires in Cybertron?
DAD: I don't know, I have no access to the patent records of Orion Pax' office.
This was a fantastic look back at the War For Cybertron line now that it is coming to an end. Great work.
The thought of completing my collection with buying "optional" accessories such as Targetmasters was amazing. Adding figures to characters at retail would increase their price point and when many may not have wanted that it would've sucked. So I'm in the group that loved the Battlemaster concept. Disappointing to only have a few differing molds for the guns but at least their coloring was adjusted.
Bringing back Titan scaled figures mini components as Weaponizers was another choice that I am very fond of. Sixgun, Cog, FastTrack etc. were given more play value with the entire roster of Siege figures, and since Hasbro removed weapons from the titans, it was nice that the Weaponizers could compliment them.
Finally, the micromasters were something I wish Hasbro could've completed. We were given only half the teams in most cases and they neglected several other teams as well as only just starting to give us combiner teams. We'll never see a complete set of these characters and that's a shame. I personally loved owning a new release of this old gimmick. They should've done less with that combining weapon gimmick and more with making the figures fun and adding what another person posted in the comments about it having had "minicon" functionalities as well.
Great video! 👍
Least favorite has to be the treatment of skywarp as a whole
Even BW skywarp wasn't safe. But hey, at least the core class one will most likely be at a retail release.
Siege: Online exclusive that had muted colors and some targetmasters
Earthrise: Looked better but still was an exclusive and had a higher price due to Thundercracker
Kingdom: Got turned into a bird and packed with a red car that was already release way too many times but everyone wanted this one cuz it looked better.
The 'Voyager plus' model of leader class was more a mixed bag than an absolute failure, I think. You've got bad ones like Astrotrain and Shockwave sure, but you've also got winners like Earthrise Optimus Prime and Siege/Kingdom Ultra Magnus.
2 good points: beast wars figures, and ankle articulation or overall articulation. Siege ports are a plus too, I love combining guns and weapons.
I agree on the shop exclusive. both on how good or bad they were, but also on the fact they just fuck up the shipping on an international level.
take italy, where gamestop DOES NOT sell action figures above what we consider core class, and doesn't sell transformers at all (they tried with the film powerchargers, it obviously flottped, then they added gigwatt that never went on sale, refunded the preorders, and placed it as terminally sold out), these figure are inaccessible, if not by international sellers and scalpers. and in this specific example, italy has been fucked over by hasbro release schedule since armada....
Same as in Spain then... Is obviously Hasbro only cares about it's homeland... and the UK somehow...
We europeans get the short end of the stick in general with Transformers
For me what worked was the cartoon accurate toys in Earthrise and Kingdom, and new Beast Wars toys in Kingdom.
What didn’t work was exclusives (especially during Earthrise), and Earthrise’s QC issues.
"For me what worked was the new Beast Wars toys in Kingdom."
**cough cough** Optimal Optimus. **cough cough**
Funnily enough I think Siege Shockwave was the most complete Voyager+. The extra bits implemented perfectly with both modes and all the parts became a cool drone/mad science platform when not attached to Shockers, unlike Magnus and GUPrime where when not attached the armour bits just sit there, as a trailer in best case.
I don't really count Astrotrain as the same class, especially as he was an ER fig brought forward, but also because he didn't armour up or anything, he just had an ammo crate which only integrated in train mode, and guns. Some fine guns though. Still a fave figure of mine.
Thoroughly enjoyed this. What I loved about it, well, several things. 1st, it brought my son and I back to what we shared and love. Just when I thought my 22 year old out grew his old man, this brought us right back to when he was 4 and I was introducing him to my G1 TRANSFORMERS. 2nd, Skyfire. Nothing else need to be said there. 3rd so many characters, warmed my heart to see them. As far as what I didn’t like about. It left me a little confused, with all the tie-ins from other fractions. My son didn’t totally get all of it either.
I love story & it echoes my own in some ways. I stepped away from collecting & this line (Sky Lynx w/ box used @ a comic shop $50) and my son is interested as well. Though he likes Soundwave because of his 'buddies'- just like me. Now I have a shared reason to pick up new Tfs.
I personally think they should've done exclusive cell shaded versions of the other characters in Transformers: Devastation. It would be really cool, and they also could have a pack of all of the autobots. Same with all of the seekers. But still sell them separately as well.
The Mini Masterpiece style of WFC got me back into collecting Transformers for the first time since childhood in the 80s. Despite all the hollowness of some figures and over-reliance on clear plastic in others, the "toys you wish you had as a child" aesthetic sold me.
Absolutely agree on the exclusives. I am so tired of A tier characters in evergreen colors getting exclusive release while the diaclone easter egg deco repaints get the wide release. What in blazes was Hasbro thinking? And while they churn out repaints and reissues of peg warmers over and over again they never repaint or reissue a mold like Netflix Soundwave ever. He's like the only chug SW released in years with an alt mode that doesn't suck ass and he's a one off exclusive.
I wouldn't mind a Black Ironhide, but yeah not being able to get show accurate for him is a shame.
Then again I wasn't able to get Trailbreaker period. And he wasn't exclusive.
I didn't get many WFC figures, just Siege Megatron, Kingdom Blackarachnia, Airazor and Galvatron. I saw tonnes of reviews, watched the show, and looked into the figures available. Out of all that, despite the overblown hype of that Optimus (I think it's boring), to me the greatest thing of the entire line was that AMAZEBALLS Galvatron. I never thought we'd get one that good, but it's utterly spectacular and blew me away!
I loved the blast effects on guns and thrusters, but man, I hated those irregular pegs plaguing the figures. That's the reason I sold my Doubledealer away, and I'm currently training my sanding powers for the day I find a WFC Cyclonus for under $15
Good god, did I LOVE Fossilizers! It's one of my biggest bummers in seeing Kingdom end is not getting to get more of these. A voyager class something would be fantastic.
Good news! Leaks suggest we'll be getting a Spinosaurus Fossilizer as part of the upcoming Wreckers line, presumably a Maximal!
@@warhammertrash1626 No way! That sounds amazing! I hope it's true, I love the idea of getting more of these. :-D
What worked were the BW toys (I needed that variety).
What didn't work were Siege's quasi-Cybertronian alt modes (they either look like stacks of bricks or Earth vehicles with an NFS filter) and the exclusives.
I... actually really loved the coal car full of guns, honestly, it's always cool to get extra guns to go around since not every toy has guns nowadays.
I wish that with Exclusives Hasbro wouldn't ignore other countries where there are also plenty of collectors. Amazon exclusives can be obtained in Europe, at least the Kingdom ones quite easly but most of the Walgreens, Walmart, Target or Pulse esclusives are hard to get. What worked for me with WFC, well Kingdom, it pretty much brought be back to collecting cause I love Beast Wars but what didn't work, distribution, this realy need to be better, especially with later waves, to this day I haven't seen Earthrise wave 3 in my country, except for scalpers.
Remember back in the day, when there were overseas exclusives for TFs, GI Joe & such that people in the US couldn't get?
I wanted to get that Amazon Paradon set (mainly for Greenlight or whatever her name is 'cause I liked the color) but I missed the pre-order and didn't know it was limited to pre-orders.
Honestly surprised he didn’t lay into the Shield-type Battlemasters.
Great sharing!
1. A few more characters in their Cybertronian forms would've been sweet (we honestly have ample bots with Earthian alt modes).
2. Also grouping things in 'mixed multipacks' that would have made more sense being packaged with their own kind/genre (like the Powerdashers or Spinister's duo of Targetmasters for instance) would've been ideal.
3. Great toys like Spinister & Turbomaster Rotorstorm were completely destroyed by the microcracking on their legs (dual cockpits) due to the high stress required to secure and maintain/lock their transformation in vehicle mode (best NEVER to transform them as this type of transparent plastic is of the cheap, fast-cracking variety and will eventually break under the stress of this bad design choice)! [The haunting memories of Springer, Tracks (Kingdom 'Cracks') & Mirage will forevermore bear the stigma of 'shoddy see-thru plastic quality' for this trilogy, in spite of its manifold successes in other regards.]
4. Those tiny 'plank' robots are the most unimaginative alt modes of the lot; ironically leaving a lot to our imagination, yet obviously uninspired to begin with.
5. The QC has been a nightmare spread throughout the trilogy, affecting multifarious products worldwide, with so many toys arriving broken right out of the packaging even. The very line-wide concept of 5-mm compatibility is also non-uniform, with some pegs/ports being too tight or loose, sometimes even on the very same figure itself! BIG FAIL!
6. Why is Buzzsaw missing? Where is Sunstorm? Why are only/mostly 2 characters from an original team of 4 (or more) members released in the new Micromaster assortments? Where are the switchable Mutant/Battle/BioCombat heads for selected Beast Wars characters (particularly T-Wrecks per the comics & ori toy)? Incomplete things like this drag the entire trilogy down (by being a near miss instead of a home run).
I wanted Siege Optimus Prime's Cybertronian alt mode to resemble the tank mode that he had in G1 (Marvel issue 1). Or even the Cybertronian tanker truck mode that he had in his youth (Underbase Saga). It could then finally be repainted as Fusion, who's never had a toy before (but sacrificed himself to ensure that Bluestreak's mission would succeed).
I think that that battle damage paint didn't work.
Ultra Magnus worked well as a Voyager plus, but yeah, not the others.
The cel shaded (Devastation) style figs are beautiful.
I was actually a little surprised Hot Rod and/or Rodimus and Galvatron didn't get the same decoes for the anniversary of the movie.
I can only imagine how good studio Hot Rod would be.
The battle damage look on the siege figures looked awful. I’m so glad that Snapdragon showed up in Earthrise so he should skip out on that junk.
Fossilizers are the Bone Age reboot I've been waiting for.
Worked:
Siege figures had slick transformations
They had great weapons
They were damn poseable(I don't think posing is the most important part of a transformers figure though, just look at g1)
Micromasters were really cool and their system was great
Awesome space-ey aesthetic of Siege figures
Failed
Horrendous plastic
Use of pinned hinges
Overreliance on g1 and beast wars and the "Hey remember the 80s" atmosphere
Less detailed vehicle modes that rolled like donkey crap
Fans blindly obssessing over anything this line threw at them(This is more on the fans though)
The voyager+ concept almost worked. You could see the logic in an across the room view. Unlike Takara, which had no qualms pricing more when needed, plussing a voyager and adding to warrant value is legit solution!
In practice it was dicey. Optimus was okay, but he had a trailer that's equal parts extra and necessary. If he came with his axe and Roller, I would've called him feature complete. Rodimus was obviously the best, folding more play into the trailer, but still relying on a recognizable add-on like Optimus.
Without a trailer to fall back on, Astrotrain was an absolute fail that should've just been bigger. No one was fooled by the literally tacked on box of weapons.
That said, I will die on the hill that Shockwave got it right. Thoroughly integrating the extras to plus both modes into a dreadnaught and ye olde brute mode was a great idea that *worked*
The micro master & weapon masters I thought of more so as purchased accessories. They definitely add something, and give you option, which of course is good
The thing I liked the most were the weaponizers, because I really like combinations, specially if they encourage you to make ones of your own. I wish they added a way to make chest plates and some form of compatibility with titan masters, to add more variety in the combinations.
I also really liked the new Beast Wars characters and fossilizers, and the fact that they went with more real life-accurate beast modes with the formers rather than go show accurate (I don't get the people saying that a scorpion with eyebrows is better than the one we got that actually looks like an actual scorpion, specially since the masterpiece line is already doing the show-accurate-as-they-can-be figures).
Other things I liked but I had some problems with were: the idea of the cybertronian versions, I would've liked more interesting alt modes, but I guess that there was not much they could work with, since most of them were just pretools of future earth rise figures; the attempt at maintaining the scale between characters, although I don't like the way it was handled (Earthrise Prime, for example, just has a shitty looking trailer to justify the price point, and is not even big enough to look good when it's in trailer mode); and the core class figures, specially the ones like Prime, Megatron, Soundwave and Starscream, because it's an easier way to get the main characters, they don't take that much space, it's easier to make cool dioramas with them, and are good figures, albeit with a few hiccups (like Soundwave's tape recorder mode), not as articulated as their larger counterparts, and don't have much compatibility with other figures to really exploit their play value (just the titan class ark and not much else).
Ok I know I can’t fully defend astrotrain for everything but there is one thing I will defend that’s not a coal truck/car he’s pulling that’s his tender for his steam engine mode yes ok it’s not a fully convincing launchpad and yes it’s more armouring for his robot mode and both are a bit meh but I love this is an astrotrain with a tender
Fat Controller target master sold seperately.
As an Armada kid seeing the Micromasters flop hurt because I was hoping they'd continue them and make them like classic minicons from Armada as it seemed like for once Hasbro was going to acknowledge something other then G1 when they showed off a prototype mold for Armada Convoy which they then did nothing with for four years...
Worse part of the line was getting a hold of some of the exclusives, best part, getting a Optimus prime figure that doesn't look like a mash of ideas and looks like how he appeared in G1
I agree what you won hundred percent about the exclusives I hate how they did this and the hiked up prices that these places put on these toys this is ridiculous pretty much after the war for Cybertron Toyline is done I’m hanging up my collectors badge and just going to enjoy what I have which I have the entire late 90s beastwars collection and now the new transformers kingdoms beastwars as well, I may pick up a few here and there but as far as collecting the new legacy line ……no
5 things worked/failed with Beast machines toyline?
I seriously loved the whole trilogy. It not only provided a much needed update to a ton of characters on my shelf but filled out a bunch I was missing. My biggest gripe was the difficulty getting some exclusives and the subsequently insane price hikes on them. I blew sooooo much money to fill out my Earthrise exclusives.... While I love it, I am looking at my wallet thinking "shoulda jumped on that sooner."
Out of five Walgreens where I live only one currently carries deluxe class Transformers. Managed to get Ratchet, Wreck-Gar and Bluestreak, have yet to see a Red Alert.
"I don't need Deep Cover in both black and blue"
Me in the corner...
The cone heads were a major pain due to scalpers
plus Amazon like to put shipping stickers on collector boxes..
My top 10 WFC Trilogy figures (plus Netflix figures):
1. Siege Optimus Prime (The gold standard for mainline Optimus Prime figures)
2. Earthrise/Netflix Soundwave (Taking a great figure and making it better)
3. Kingdom Cyclonus (A figure that should have been in Studio Series 86, that's how good it was)
4. Siege Mirage (My favorite 84 Autobot, besides Optimus)
5. Kingdom Megatron (Beast Wars)/Kingdom Galvatron (G1) (Couldn't decide. Both great figures)
6. Siege/Earthrise Astrotrain (No matter what line he was in, he was great)
7. Earthrise Wheeljack (Underrated)
8. Siege Ironhide (Finally, Ironhide got a good mainline toy)
9. Siege Impactor (Finally, a mass market Impactor figure. Won by a fan vote, no less.)
10. Earthrise Starscream (Upscaling the Classics Seeker mold was a brilliant move)
Ones I wished I had gotten:
Siege: Rung (The only Battlemaster I really wanted), Ratchet, and Jetfire
Earthrise: Smokescreen, Runabout/Runamuck, Sunstreaker, Trailbreaker, Thrust, Thundercracker/Skywarp 2-Pack, Ramjet/Dirge 2-Pack, Sky Lynx, and the Quintesson Judge
Kingdom: Inferno (G1) and Dinobot (The only Beast Wars character I missed out on)
The WFC Trilogy was one of the best Transformers lines ever. Not perfect, but no Transformers line is (even Masterpiece figures have their flaws). Some of the out there decisions they made (A Voyager Class Quintesson Judge, A Commander Class Sky Lynx, updated Beast Wars characters) showed the ambition they had with this line. Looking forward to Legacy. Good video, by the way.
Think a part that worked well about the series was the separation of gimmicks into their own area of the line. Removing the restrictions from the majority of them basically let them become mini-masterpieces.
I personally like how they do leaders now because the scale is mostly good and space is a factor in my life so if I have to pay a little more for a voyager of my favorite with some extra accessories I put in a plastic bag a place in a drawer I’ll take it
Cybertronian modes, especially tetrajets. For all the flaws that mold has, there's just something I love about it, and I have all the versions except the Sparkless Seeker.
got to relive my childhood born in 2000 but I got exposed to the classic transformers show from 1984 through my dad and still is now a super fan I work a regular 9-5 and on my hour breaks i go to target and see what I can score recently I got a blaster for retail, and I actually got a Galvatron in box for 29.95 at a local bookstore nearby so its really cool and rewarding when you find figures that you never had or had but like an older version maybe the g1 or universe figure of it
I am biased because this brought me back to transformers collecting. Love the line
I think Voyager+/Leader Class vairies for the character, for Astrotrain or Shockwave it was just trying to justify the pricepoint, true, but then with Optimus, we're finally getting Optimus figures that come with their trailers (I'm counting Legacy as well), and we got an Ultra Magnus that actually had the white prime mode of the original figure, *and* the armored form that we know him for. As I said, it varies from figure to figure.
I’m still really bitter about skywarp and ratchet’s prices going so fucking apeshit. Characters that popular should never have been that hard to find.
My least favorite was the faux cybertronian modes like the first Optimus. But my favorite part is my new army of seekers that actually are in the same style , official and updates from the classics mold.
Yeah, i agree with everything you said, and being from nz, sucks when it came to exclusives, but i have most of this line, just waiting for a few figures now, as well as well.. money to buy said figures
We have so many opposite views while some matching up. First the bads smaller sizes higher prices and horrendous qc issues and I hated the battle damage paint with some having digital printed on battle damage apeface springer and the tt new starscream announced oppose to adding real paint apps to figures. Then we have issues with the clear plastic on joints thay love to break jazz prowl er ironhide being key molds. The blast effects also suffer from softening agent aka a acid leaches over time and causes the 2 plastic types to bond so the blast effect or mini figs like ghosts get stuck and to remove them actually causes the 3mm peg to break they attach too so never leave them on your figure unless you wnat to always stay there. I love the micromasters and would of loved actual bases for them and entire reissues of them like the star saber mold we got a reissue instead of getting the other 2 figures from that team. The mm combine modes are oddly suggestive in a adult kinda way.... ya aquard. The combine modes onky hurt the figures and some have massive stability issues. I do like they maintained the same scale and attempted to add some posability but they could of used some liberties and made better figures as the top priority. For me the fozzilizers I have no interest in them the off colors different sides and a combine head just feels lazy like they intended to have have a combined mode and could not figure it out and just shipped out what they had done so far. The leader class is over priced voyagers with often random junk heck the main body of shockwave is as big as a classics cyclonus a deluxe at how many times the price ya I do feel ripped off. Then all the hard to get exclusives that often come with scalper tax ugh. The er seekers are more or less upscaled 06 deluxe with a few changes I have alot of the older stuff and honestly I am okay with the deluxe ones so avoiding that all saved me headaches and alot of money. Hasbro during this will keep doing this because on the whole producing less cutting back on costs like quality paint apps and size while charging more hasbro saw a profit but it has alienated fans that can not afford to buy a few toys, you know thungs ment for little kids and it's not like anyone here has their paycheck doubled in the past year working the same job but the prices of the toys has more then double yes some is to do to inflation others amazon oddly enough (due to their seller fees and market denial if you offer better prices thru other means) but in the end the fans are being well well over charged while hasbro toes it's all about the fans and trust me they have nothing good to say about the fans at the company in fact it's more a insult when refenced, ya they have alot of distance regarding the fans that buy their products and keep the company afloat. Please feel free to disprove me on any of what I said above because it's it's a sad reality of the Fandom right now and I do hope things change. As for the new shows and movies coming out.... they are not going to help the brand from what I see not at all its going to be motu remake/reboot take 2 robot version.
i say the "Voyager+" can work *if* done right, like, having all the budget of a higher class can really help add details to a toy that wouldnt be in the budget at the lower class, the best example is ER optimus, who thanks to that High-ass budget, has a brilliant transformation, functioning wrists and fingers, as well as a matrix and trailer accessories
Now, siege Astrotrain, I say some of that extra budget helped in making a good triple changer but like, I'd rather they'd cut the guns in favour of adding more to the mold, like *WRIST SWIVELS*, or even just making the toy a lil bit bigger as a whole, weren't people saying its too small?
I'd honestly argue that Optimus was worse than Astrotrain in that regard, especially since Optimus was released as a voyager in the Netflix line, giving us a clear distinction of what we were paying $20 for a pretty lackluster trailer.
To be fair, they also were able to put the cab/robot for Optimus out as a voyager exclusive to Wal mart. Well with a couple of battlemasters.
@@fakename5307 my best guess as to why is, perhaps due to already designing the mold for the regular release, reusing it doesnt cost as much on the production side? maybe?
I'm no toy designer, so all of this is a guess
I think the toys were the best we have got in the mainline in probably a decade. I agree there were some misses in the line, like the figures that turned into bases and the terrible space mud paint jobs. But the figures that could add weapons and armor to other figures was very cool and the nod to G1 worked very well.
I say everything worked in WFC series, it made me collect every toy out there plus haslab UNICRON. Everything they did here was simply amazing!! Without this series I would just love looking at pictures of people having the MP toys. But this was a great Job. Exclusives though is a pain in a third world country.
WFC trilogy was good, im still enjoying kingdom, haven't seen Legacy yet, but one thing I did not enjoy the stupid extra things they put on the box just to get you to keep it, like with siege and earthrise the boxes came and formed a map, but all the boxes made the same piece (or at least every single one I threw out eventually to make room on my shelf I don't know if anyone had any other ones) and one thing I defenetly enjoyed was the return to beast wars with kingdom it was nice to see figures that don't usually get the spotlight finally come back onto more prominance.
I bought a lot of the target masters for blast effects... I'll show myself out. Earthrise prime was great
Hey, show up cheap enough at Ollies or Five Below... Admitidly, I loved Slitherfang way too much and bought extras of the other ramps just to make a longer snake.
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*beast wars music* BONE WARS!
Siege has been the best line ever to feature Cybertronian alt modes and it sucks that they didn't do more characters. The figures based on the FOC and WFC games were not very good. Some of the designs were but most just hit the mark, especially Megatron and the Bruticus figures. The only issue I have with Siege is the same things Hasbro has with most of their figures and those are hollow plastic parts and lack of accessories. I'm willing to pay more for better quality figures. I think they do this to give them a reason to do better versions later so they aren't running out of characters to do, especially with main characters.
They should've just went with the earthrise figures and left beast wars out of it. Make that a separate line. Then they could've added more G-1 characters instead of the backwards way they did it. The Netflix series was stupid too.
Favorite part....Weaponizers figures that have that modular element, but also turn to weaponry for your larger bots that is cool the bad part is well the Weaponizers because well some of the weapons don't look at that impressive some look like a 3 year old came up with it. But yeah I think the trilogy has it high and low points and soon we have other round of figure from Legacy that TJ might do this good and bad discussion again.
Having this kinda thing for every concurrent series would be nice. But you don’t have to go to the even older lines if you don’t want to.
They need to make a cybertronian Jazz. WFC had so many random G1 characters like Road Rage of all people, but no Jazz?
The only micromastets that had a cool weapon mode was the air strike patrol that formed a sword that almost looked like the star saber sword.
I wish they'd sold a big 'ole pack of blast effects right from the early days of Siege.
The new beast wars molds were my favorite part of the trilogy, hands down. It’s what got me back into collecting after taking a six year break.
Astro train is a good example of a Voyager at a leader price. Little to no gaps unlike other figures. Now earthrise optimus prime is terrible and not worth leader price.
God I’m glad I found Netflix Soundwave at Walmart when I did.
As a Canadian collector the store exclusives were bs. We don't have Target or Walgreens and the amazon exclusives don't show up on the Canadian website
I hate exclusives, still don't have Ratchet and Runabout. I had to get Thrust from a scalper on Amazon paid 125 and Ironhide/Prowl from a collector shop for 160...ugh. I do like the majority of the molds from Earthrise, finally some great new versions of G1 figures that weren't overly complicated and still looked good.
I wish we had a retool of AstroTrain as the Back to the Future train. Seriously, Hasbro could do that.
Also we were a green and pink sideswipe away from a complete power rangers team.
I do agree the micro masters weren’t that great but I did the micro masters Decepticon planes. Their transformation was good and I did use them for swords for my Decepticon Jets.
Least favorite- Cybertronian modes. Favorite- G1 accuracy. Freshest- the Fossilizers
My favourite part of it is getting new Beast wars.
My least favourite is the QC issues.
Love this trilogy absolutely amazing only issue for me was the QC that plagued the line unfortunately,
Not to be that person but that is not a coal car at the engine of astrotrain but a tender, steam engines like the one he is based on are used to hold the coal and water the train needed to run. Yes i know it's pointless on a decepticon as they don't hide among humans but I like the little touch added to make the steam engine try to look a little more realistic.
My favorite part of WFC was that different molds were used for the different main characters & they weren't all repaints...I'm not talking about the characters that are supposed to be repaints like Ratchet & Ironhide, the Datsun cars, the Seekers, Grapple & Inferno etc...I'm talking about the repaints like Swindle & Hound, Drag Strip & Mirage etc...WFC really gave us different molds for all the characters that were supposed to be different...yes we got repaints but the were characters that were supposed to be repaints...what I hated was getting major characters as exclusives...exclusives shouldn't be main charaters...I understand that to a degree an exclusive has to be something that will sell but maybe make the exclusive 1 of a character that got an Earth mode as well as a Cybertronian mode...both Skywarps shouldn't be exclusive nor Ratchets nor ALL the Coneheads...if a characters were only going to be in 1 sub line they shouldn't be exclusive unless they're an obscure character...the Coneheads are not the Rain Makers...they are main characters as Seekers & they only got 1 release!!! That's horrible because I missed out on Dirge & Ramjet & the only way I could ever get them is to pay crazy scalper prices...
Still amazed Hauler and Detirus aren't out already though.
@@brettwood1351 I thought we would've gotten Hauler as a Gen Selects by now...
@@ryantheregularravensfan8151 I think he's been leaked. I guess they wanted to do Artfire first.
Found a whole case of ironworks at an Ollie’s in Hobart IN for $10 a pop
Love: Beast Wars!
Hate: Battle damage
Funny: How much they've retooled Seige Prime. (I love ER and I can't wait to get Laser)
Un-cruzimatic bore: The Netflix series.
Still looking for the cone heads
Till this day, im still struggling to get the Siege skywarp and earthrise runamuck
Ok my list of 5 things that worked and 5 things that didn't work...
Didn't work...
1. Cybertronian modes: There are a few exceptions the Seekers were really good but then you have toys like Sideswipe who already just looks like his Earth mode anyway. I loved the WfC/FoC designs, those looked very alien while still looking like the characters. War Within also did this really well. But this series had the most lazy "Cybertronian" modes I have ever seen. Most of them were just Earth modes with some tech detail added to the molding.
2. The price hike... even when they had good figures I liked I passed on most of them cause the Prices have gotten so high they aren't worth the retail prices anymore.
3. The Weaponizers/Modulators, the idea of Transformers is to actually be able to TRANSFORM the figure. I don't mind taking them apart to armor up other figures but to just go from vehicle to robot should not require partsforming.
4. Leader class Astrotrain... I don't mind the others but I do agree Astrotrain didn't work.
5. Kingdom: For a line that was suppose to be about Beast Wars we ended up with figures that were clearly intended for Seige and Earthrise mixed in as well. And then they never ever finished the Beast Wars cast in the main line. Terrorsaur ended up an exclusive, Tarantulas and Inferno won't even be out till legacy gets here and who knows if they'll even be in the same styal to fit in with the othe Kingdom Predacons. And then we have designs that showed up in promotional art that never even got toys. And worst of all the Fossilizers have no official way to interact with the beast figures since only Autobots and Decepticons actually have ports to use them.
5 things that worked...
1. The few Cybertronian modes that actually look good. Seekers, Ironhide/Ratchet, Soundwave, Shockwave, Bumblebee (who came out in the wrong toy line) the rest were terrible.
2. I actually liked the Battlemasters mostly because it let me get Hot Rod's Targetmaster without having to buy an entirely new Hot Rod mold.
3. The Fossilizers... while the whole partsforming thing didn't work for Weaponizers and Modulators it does work for Fossilizers. I think because they have that fossile asthetic it makes more sense that they would come apart like that. And they don't look like like traditional Transformers so I don't have an issue with them not transforming properly.
4. Astrotrain... while he doesn't work as a leader he does work as Astrotrain. It's the first time he's been given his proper train mode since G1. The previous attempts made him a bullet train or a space train but this is the first really good updated figure that actually looks like he's suppose to.
5. Kingdom: While it wasn't perfect it was really good to get some modern takes on the season 1 Beast Wars cast. I don't think there was really a bad mold in the bunch. I would have gotten more of them but unfortunantly this was right around the same time that the Price hike kept me away from most of the toy line which happens to be my favorite toy line in the trilogy. You know how many times I was standing in Wal Mart arguing with myself about buying Kingdom figures... pretty much every damn time I was in there. Only cracked when I found Primal and Paleotrex together. If I was rich and had money to throw around I'd buy every beast mold that came out of that line. I wasn't really happy with the colors on Cheetor in his first release but the repaint fixed that. Same with Rattrap. Those were the only two I was really iffy on and it's just the original paint jobs I didn't like. Also Waspinator cause they barely changed anything from the thrilling 30 release and I don't think a new mold was needed but again I actually wouldn't mind picking up the Buzzsaw version. So I'd still end up with every beast mold at some point. But that's if I could actually afford all that... which I can't... so it ain't happening. I'm not even sure if I'll finish the Fossilizers so I can build more with them... I found a great deal for the full set on E Bay but someone outbid me and I wasn't willing to go any higher.
I actually like Voyager+ I liked the extra guns and thought that Shockwave turning into a Musai/ Yamato ship was dope as shit.
The problem with the micro masters was not the size or the engineering it was the solidity of them and the feel mine all fell apart when they were handled and we're so thin and didn't feel good they definitely needed thicker stronger plastic