When Autobots Become Decepticons
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I’m calling it now…one of the future episodes In Underutilized Characters is going to be The Technobots.
Yup I agree!!
Agreed
I would love that
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This happened to Rhinox not once, but twice.
The first time, Megatron inverted his morality, turning him into a Predacon. This worked a little too well, as he started taking down the Predacons from within.
Beast Machines saw his spark get removed from his body and his personality overwritten, turning him into Tankor. However, even after Primal managed to undo Megatron's influence, Rhinox remained an enemy this time.
Was just about to comment this.
Although the second time Rhinox also was mentally damaged by his experiences and lost all faith in anyone and just wanted the whole world to hurt as much as he did.
@@tylerloesch1660 no he just turned evil out of the blue and wanted to rule everything to himself
@@ashuraomega7113 have you watched beast machines. It wasn’t out of the blue. Megatron tortured him before removing his spark while he was still alive and put it into a body with mental blocks making his a prisoner in his body. Anyone would have broken after that.
@@tylerloesch1660 even so it's still not confirmed why he turned evil it's just that he did. And your explanation still doesn't explain him turning against the maximals they did nothing to him.
"Waspinator hazz planzzz...."
Animated giga-chad wasp.
Sentinel Prime in DotM. Rhinox and Silverbolt becoming Tankor and Jetstorm. The many examples of good guy protoforms being reprogrammed. One of the many backstories for the G1 Constructicons with the whole Crystal City thing. Glitch becoming Tarn and Dominus Ambus becoming the pet in IDW 1.0. Wasp and Black Arachnia from Animated. So many ways good guys have turned to the dark side. It’s nuts!
I wouldn't count Silverbolt, Dominus or the reprogrammed protoforms, because they didn't turn bad, they were forced, in Silverbolt's case he turned back to the good side when Blackarachnia freed him.
Blackarachnia/Elita-One and Wasp/Waspinator from Animated are great for this list.
Mudflap from Cybertron.
Rhinox had one episode in Beast Wars and an entire arc in Beast Machines. Odd it happened twice to the same character in the same continuity.
Inferno in Energon had an arc.
Heck, all in-show Decepticons in RiD01 could count for this list. Plenty of protoforms in Beast Wars too.
I’m shocked you didn’t include both Animated Blackarachnia and Wasp/waspinator due to how they’re also the more famous Autobot defectors to evil
I was about to say the same thing. Those two fit this idea perfectly.
Weird how you went really obscure with RID at the end there when literally all 6 of the Commandos are former autobots
Just kinda funny that almost anytime a Transformer is switching to the good or evil alignment, they HAVE to be associated with Autobots and Decepticons respectively, like the factions are the objective extremes on the morality scale.
I get it though it helps for marketing, but groups like the Mercenaries striking out on their own or the former Bots/Cons who became Non-Aligned Indigenous Lifeforms in IDW add another layer of depth to the conflict I think, among other things like Sentinel Prime usually being a nasty Autobot
Honestly I prefer the alignments because the NAILs all sucked and came off as whiney narrow minded hypocrites especially Metalhawk
@@2bdaqueen268 I...can see were your coming from with that. The NAILs were being EXTREMELY judgmental along with Metalhawk towards the bots & cons. But I'm also looking at it from their perspective a bit. I think a main reason why a lot of the NAILS are like this towards the 2 factions is because of the impact the war had on the universe. I said this in another comment sec, but even though the war ended, the cybertronians became an extremely hated race due to the war. Autobot and Decepticon alignment be dammed. I think a majority of the NAILS faced immense prejudice and discrimination from other races due to the war. So this is probably them taking out their frustrations on the 2 factions, the bots especially.
While they didn't technically become decepticons, there is also the idw version of Star Saber, along with his cohorts Pharma, Tyrest, Sunder, and Froid who went villain.
Also, Shattered Glass Sideswipe is technically an autobot turned decepticon.
Something that sticks out to me about the Prime Orion Pax thing is that when you stop to think about it, it in no way works: whether you look at it as the Prime cartoon, the WFC game or the Exodus novel the Alligned continuity establishes that Orion Pax doesn't get the matrix until long into the war, in the case of the cartoon this is literally established in the same episode. Optimus losing the Matrix should have robbed him of his memories of earth, and maybe some of his allies, but he should be well aware of Megatron and the Decepticons, for that matter he should recognize Bumblebee, since at least the game and book show them meeting before this (in the book Bumblebee actually accompanied Optimus to the core)
Just FYI, the way the whole Hot Shot/Wheeljack dynamic went down is quite different in Micron Legend (The original Japanese sub of Armada) compared to Armada.
As opposed to what Armada did, something that was particularly grim and morbid about this arc in Micron Legend that was completely dumbed down was that Hot Rod/Hot Shot did actually abandon Rampage/Wheeljack to die out of cowardice and fear for his own life, and Hot Rod telling Rampage that he was going to get help was nothing but an excuse (Instead of how Armada shows Hot Shot leaving Wheeljack in the fire, promising to get help at face value, so Wheeljack's hatred of Hot Shot looks like wrongful resentment)
In fact, Hot Shot doesn't even try to help Rampage until his superiors tell him they're not sending any rescue. Hot Rod eventually realizes that abandoning Rampage was a terrible idea but at that point, it's too late. (This sets up Rampage's grudge against Hot Rod when it's revealed that he has been saved by Megatron, and swore loyalty towards the Decepticons as a gift to Megatron for saving his life)
It's an easily missed difference (Especially if you never watched Micron Legend), but I like how this difference in Micron Legend does give Hot Rod a greater failure to overcome, and the outcome for this where Hot Rod swore to never repeat it again when his current trainee, Stepper (aka Side Swipe in Armada) suffers and almost dies due to his own past mistakes. Rather than running away again, Hot Rod actually stays and is willing to save Stepper; Refusing to let down his current trainee in the same way he failed his former trainee I find to be more satisfying in Micron Legend. I had no idea if such changes came from accidental mistranslation or a conscious simplification of the narrative and dialogue's nuance, but in my opinion, the omission of such a vital detail in this arc in Armada is a huge mistake.
What about Cybertron Mudflap/Galaxy Demolisher
I'm thinking the latter, to have Hot Rod more likable cause... to be brutally honest if I was a kid and I saw that I would've hated his fucking guts lmao
TIL
They definitely made thar change to make hot shot more likeable
I respectfully disagree with the idea that it removes nuance in Armada because in both Micron Legends and Armada they are both pretty realistic reactions to have, even if they are in different ways.
Obviously, you went into why it works in Micron Legends, so I'll just stick with Armada.
Wheeljack's resentment is very much misguided but you can understand it, he didn't know that Hotshot was coming back for him, he didn't know that Hotshot was telling the truth, all he knew was that Hotshot didn't come back. How would you feel in that situation? To him it looks like he was left to die, why wouldn't he feel angry and hurt at the fact that to him it looked like he was left to die? Emotions aren't rational at times especially relating to moments/accidents like that as the mind has a weird way of processing things and sometimes it just needs something or someone to blame in situations like this, even if it's misguided.
Now, Hotshot, survivor's guilt is a real thing. It has a name for a reason, the idea that it was "dumbed" down because it was done differently is kind of insensitive. Feeling guilt over a loved one's death when it was out of your control is very much a real thing. Again, it may not be rational at the same time, again, it's just something the mind does in situations like this to blame the closest thing even if it's misguided.
Now, I can get being annoyed at the fact stuff was changed and having a personal preference(I personally prefer Armada's version in this case as it just personally resonates with me more and hits a bit too close to home for me). At the same time, that doesn't make one worse or better then the other because they were done differently. There are cases where Armada did make changes or took out things from Micron Legends that did make it worse, this is not one of those cases though.
The fact you didn't include cybertron mudflap is surprising considering its your favourite toyline
Mudflap from the Cybertron line was a civilian Autobot who became a Decepticon because he didn't want to deal with all the humans and their rules.
I know it's not part of the subject, but I remember Jetfire being a Deception originally, but becoming an Autobot later after he found out about their true motives.
Also, since Jetfire is a recolor of a Macross toy, I wished there was a recolor Gundam transformer. Imagine if the Turn A was a Transformer!
That, would be awesome.
Same thing happened to Silverbolt in Beast Wars
He did mention jetfire at the beginning but referred to him as skyfire because sky/jetfire had 2 names in g1
@@nathanmacrae9199 Oh, he did? I guess I didn't notice.
star saber looks like a gundam
Hot Take: Armada Wheeljack is better written than Wildwheel.
I'm not sure if you already thought about her bro, probably you did, but technically Animated Elita-1 could enter this cathegory, she not only became a Decepticon but changed her whole character and persona. Great video my bro!
Roller was a bad guy in Unite Warriors. One of the coolest good-turned-bad ideas in Transformers history in my opinion.
It's a shame they did Scoop so dirty. His toy was actually pretty well done and came with TWO target masters, they cut so many corners on Pointblank that I wish he had been made back then instead.
Yeah I hate that he was vilified
JG1 Smokescreen becoming JG2 Smokescreen is my favorite example.
I was expecting to see Energon Inferno. One of the most striking scenes from the entire show in the 2D art
Oh yeah,i think energon was better in 2d animation
What, no mention of Mudflap from Cybertron?
Oh yeah I almost forgot him
I was waiting for him the whole video lol
Now to do decepticons that became autobots!!!
Also you forgot the whole animated thing with Elita-1 into Blackarachnia Also you could technically drag in Animated Wasp/Waspinator if you'd like.
Still waiting for that Armada wheeljack repaint from the earthrise mold
😆 lol
I still think Siege Sideswipe suits him more.
We're deffo getting him now
Weren't all the Decepticons from RiD 2001 (Scourge and the Combaticon repaints) originally Autobots who were corrupted by Megatron's spark? Although, I guess if we're talking corrupting a protoform, the same would apply to both Blackarachnia and Inferno.
While they become Decepticons the Dinobots have deserted the Autobots in the G1 cartoon. And I seem to recall Grimlock becoming a sort of dictator in the G1 comics.
Honestly, I prefer Autobots turned Decepticons to Autobots who are still Autobots but doing truly evil things.
The only other one that I think could've at least got a mention is Energon Inferno. While he never fully joined the Decepticons, he was on his way to joining via forced reprogramming.
He is a unique scenario since he ended up killing himself and got rebuilt afterwards.
In the Legends pack-in comics, it’s suggested that Metrotitan was infected with a Destron virus, but he refused to acknowledge that, insisting that it was his choice to become a Destron.
Another interesting one from the Japanese continuity is that the legends comics decided to make g1 car smokescreen and g2 jet decepticon smokescreen the same character, basically saying that some binaltech incident gave smokescreen multiple personality disorder and one of those was evil, took control, and decided to join up with the decepticons, they met up with dreadwing, who rebuilt them into the jet form after they took some major injuries
16:35 The Korean title phonetically reads "Armored Cops", apparently the closest romanization they could come up with at the time.
Also funny that Sonokong's new original robot IPs, like many Asian franchises, just don't bother with villain toys at all.
The biggest example of this I can remember is Cybertron Mudflap.
You skimmed over Mudflap from Transformers Cybertron. He needed, like, no convincing to switch sides. Starscream pretty much went: "Hey, wanna join up?"
FINALLY!!! A list of AUTOBOTS who aren't FOOLS!!!
ALL HAIL GALVATRON!!!!
Animated Wreck-Gar: All hail Galvatron! Uh...w-what's a 'Galvatron'?
Nightra should've been on this list.
This is probably the most Relatable video iv ever seen on CZcams. And honestly no matter how close I was to any of my best friends, if they left me or had to leave me and I managed to survive u better believe I would go to the other side. You just don't leave your friends. EVER. (Off topic but Armada Wheeljack and Armada Tidelwave have always been my favorite Transformers. I wish Haslab would do a haslab project with Tidelwave:) But you don't ever leave a friend so I totally understand why Wheeljack joined the Decepticons.
TJ thank you for all these years of entertainment. I found you all the way back in 2010 when I was only 9 years old in the height of my Transformers obsession. Now im 22. Crazy how time flies like that.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
I hope you’ll do a video of when Decepticons became Autobots, despite mentioning the likes of Skyfire/Jetfire, Dinobot from Beast Wars, and recently Megatron from TF EarthSpark!!
Rhinox, I mean even after regaining his old memories he was still evil.
Transformers Cybertron had Mudflap and Menasor who go though character arcs where they started good but end up with the Decepticons, only to realized the error of their ways at the end.
Tow-line wasn't the only character that Japanese G1 timeline retroactively changed, they changed Smokescreen as well. For awhile I thought Japan did it to Prime Knockout where Japan's toyline of RID15 had him all evil but if you think about it, season 3 never did air in Japan, so him changing sides never happened.
Transformers Animated had a fair share of characters that had a tragic backstories that led them to the Cons like Blackarachnia or Wasp.
There is also Drift in Cyberverse.
Drift was a double double spy
I'd include when Rhinox became a predacon for a episode in Beast Wars and later him being Tankor
I made a character who was an nuetrobot with his brother who were mentored by a primus spiritual mentor sage named alpha Contessa when she passed the nurtrobot left the autobots to the decepticons his name was stormstrike and I retconed he was the yellow and blue starscream repaint in 86 movie close to blaster's tower after the unicron battle he was smacked down damaged medix found him, helped him and his brother convinced him to return to the autobots after he and his conjux comet racer finally convinced him and renamed himself back to his name.
No Rinox to Tankor and back? That's the most fascinating one to me
As a number of people have noted, BM Tankorr and Animated Blackarachnia and Waspinator are some prominent examples that weren’t mentioned. Also worth noting that in IDW 1.0 Shockwave was (despite his connection to Jhiaxus) a force for good until the Shadowplay and empurata warped his personality. Similarly, in the G1 cartoon the Constructicons became Decepticons because they were corrupted and turned by the Robosmasher
I’m sure someone else has said it already, but Quickstrike is probably worth an honorary mention. Unlike Inferno or Blackarachnia, he never had a shell program applied. He just heard Megatron’s sales pitch and said “boy howdy, do I like the sound of that!”
The funpub combaticons story is exactly the intention of that. It was my first collectors club subscription round. I read to the end. You later discover there's 2 factions of decepticons. 1 being lead by deathsaurus, the other one being Megatron. Megatron wins the fight and in turn has the combaticons bodies destroyed and their personalities removed and put in confinement.
There's a toy of Prime Ratchet called Hunter Ratchet that's meant to be Ratchet mutated by Dark Energon into a Deception.
In Regeneration One, Scorpinok used a virus that turned Autobots into Decepticons.
There was a prime using the beast wars neo big convoy mold that was defeated by the a more powerful version of the decepticons left for dead until unicron literally scooped him up and kept him in prison and tortured until he walked his mind and became basically another version of nemesis prime
In the Dreamwave series, Grimlock bbriefky became a Decepticon in the first limited series
IDW Mirage had that whole dream thing where he was a decepticon, IDW Sideswipe sided with the Decepticons (I think) and Bayverse Sentinel Prime.
The Marvel Uk Autobot scienest Flame is regarded as the first evil Autobot, however he doesn't count for this list as he never joined the Decepticons. Just continue his research on Megatron's old idea of putting engines on Cybertron to make the planet moblie. Flame probably had Autobots and Decepticons among his zombie army.
To be 100% transparent, the name Stealth Bomber was part of the Ask Vector Prime post, and was actually something of a joke. Considering that their names are Stealth Saber and Victory Bomber, the obvious connection would be Victory Saber. But the writers decided to be cheeky and go the other way with Stealth Bomber.
I believe Dreamwave comic's Grimlock switched to being a Decepticon.
What about Pharma...? He even joined with Scorponok latter on.
he was never explicitly a decepticon, he just hung around them if i recall
Pharma hates Decepticons, but ironically he's one of the more willing autobots to work with them if the need arises.
- Counterpunch
- Victory Leo (kind of)
- Tow Line (brainwashed with a disk)
another group of bots I've never heard of. I love transformers for this
What you said about every series being in continuity with each other in Japan during the 2000s is not entirely true. The three Unicron Trilogy shows were always billed as a new separate universe from what all had come before them, even in Japan. At the time, there were only two major Transformers universes in Japan, the Japanese G1/G2/Beast Era universe and the Japanese Unicron Trilogy universe.
As for RobotMasters Wrecker Hook, another lesser known reason for his joining the Decepticons is not just because of his amnesia, but because he was found on Earth by the Decepticons in a deactivated state (according to his profile in the RobotMasters encyclopedia). This suggests that, for reasons still unknown to this day, he was somehow deactivated and left for dead on Earth after the events of Car Robots, despite being last seen still alive and well by the end of that show.
In the case of the Wings universe Combaticons, they were considered "renegade Decepticons" not because of their past as Autobots, but because of their having served Deathsaurus instead of Megatron. Megatron had them imprisoned because of their having served a dissenter.
The name "Victory Bomber" was made up by Ask Vector Prime. The original toys of that two-part only named Stealth Saber, with the BB reissue unnamed.
You forgot one of the EARLIEST cases of an Autobot going evil, and one who was an Evil Autobot instead of a Decepticon: FLAME! Flame from Marvel UK! "Flame (Marvel)" as he is currently known on TFWiki! That Autobot was an evil madman!
Cybertron Mudflap used to be an autobot but he became a decepticon
This is an awesome list, never thought about the topic, awesome vid!!! My only one who comes to mind is sentinel prime making the deal with deceptions in bay movie, lol
Shattered Glass Sideswipe. Still Autobot to Decepticon.
Are you going to do a decepticon to autobot list next?
Wheeljack in Armada was the best.
Instead of armored core, I’m calling the Korean version of G2 megs armored corpse, just without the E.
10:04 Isn't that "technically" part of the G1 Cartoon (or at least my headcannon version that connects every single story made for it (Hasbro & Takara, official & unofficial) together)?
rhinox was turned evil by Megatron and later when Rhinox was tankor he got his memory back he tried to steal the key to vector sigma and take over Cybertron. In the Omega Supreme episode G1 the constructicons were comrades of omega supreme before their motives were rewritten by a machine that was built by the Decepticons.
I think Flame is probably the biggest one missed
Hm... didn't Ironfist's rival turn out to be something of a turncoat? Skyfall? And IDW Brainstorm was TECHNICALLY a Decepticon spy...
DoTM Sentinel Prime is one who literally just went bad.
You forgot about Transformers Animated Blackarachnia. She used to be Elita 1 until an accident during a little trip to a spider planet with Optimus and Sentinel went horriblly wrong, both thought she was dead and Sentinel blamed Optimus for it (despite that it was HIS idea to be on the planet to begin with 😒)
Funny. Stealth Saber and Victory Bomber swapped make both Stealth Bomber and *Victory Saber!* Lmao
Inferno from armada when it was megs that changed him but technically he didnt change
#TransformersForever
the Autobot Scienctist Flame from the UK Marvel Comics/ the firs IDW version of him, and Sentenil Prime, Autobot Glitch aka Damus aka Tarn, the Maximal Onyx Convoy I belive that's his name
What about when Rynox went bad? Either when he was reprogramed in beast wars, or when his spark (inside Tankor) turned on the Maximals.
The most like easiest conversion was mud flap from cybertron I forgot who was talking to him might have been thundercracker but he was already (in the show) like impatient and a loose cannon really someone just told him like the decepticons don’t do any of the things the auto bots do and he like bet and changed his allegiance like that. Landmine didn’t like that too much and was shocked n stuff lol
Starscream was the one mudflap talked to.
Yo! You didnt mention that one time Pime Ratchet got turn into a decepticon in the japanesse season 3 i think? Anyways Great video!
So... I'm going to avoid using characters who we never actually saw as Autobots or Maximals since we have no idea what their personalities would have originally been like if they weren't reprogrammed as Protoforms. I'm also going to avoid mentioning characters who temporarily wend villain just for an episode or two only to convert back to the heroic side by the end.
So the Constructicons in the G1 Cartoon it was revealed that they were once friends with Omega Supreme before being reprogrammed to destroy rather than construct. Not sure how I really feel about counting this one since they were wearing Decepticon insignias even before they were supposedly reprogrammed and it contradicts another episode that claims they were built on Earth but worth at least mentioning.
The first real instance of a heroic character being reprogrammed into villains and isn't a protoform or a one episode encounter is Silverbolt and Rhinox being turned into Jetstorm and Tankor respectivly.
In Jetstorm's case it was temporary but I'm counting it because he was the primary antagonist for nearly the entire first season before he became Silverbolt again.
Tankor even after recovering his memories as Rhinox CHOSE to remain a villain which is totally out of character for Rhinox and I hate that he just chose to stay a villain.
Of course there's the Armada character who was mentioned at the beginning of the video who might be the first Autobot to CHOOSE to switch sides without being reprogrammed against his will.
We got 2 in Animated with Blackarachnia and Waspinator.
Blackarachnia was originally Elita-One until being attacked by a bunch of alien organic Spiders and being turned into what possibly was the first Technorganic Transformer in this universe. She only fell in with the Decepticons cause they rescued her after she was abandoned by Optimus and Sentinel who just assumed she was already dead. Optimus did make an attempt to go back for but the coward Sentinel was too chicken to deal with organics.
Wasp was orginally an Autobot and was falsely accused of being a Decepticon spy. Shockwave was of course the actual spy being disgused as Longarm the whole time and planted the exidence for Bumblebee to find that got Wasp wrongly arrested for a crime he never comitted. Wasp then went insane in prison, escapted and tried to swap places with Bumblebee as revenge. Animated Waspinator's backstory is way more interesting and tragic than his BW name sake who just always was a Predacon.
Anyway, technically since Wasp never sided with Megatron he never really was a Decepticon he was only ever falsy accused of being one.
Oh and the Constructicons were originally friends with Bulkhead. They weren't really Autobots exactly although Scrapper was recruited by Sari when the main cast went missing durring a Soundwave 2 parter. But they weren't really Decepticons either till they offically joined Megatron and got branded with those insignias.
Wild Wheel who was mentioned in the video.
In the War for Cybertron video game it actually seemed like Starscream and the Seekers were good guys working with Jetfire and the Airealbots to protect the station that produced Dark Energon. Megatron was only able to access the dark Energon by convincing Starscream to join his side. Of course Starscream would quickly seek to overtrow Megatron as leader soon after joining the Decepticons.
Huh, that Wrecker Hook thing is a lot like BW Silverbolt but in reverse, where Silverbolt's basic heroic nature meant he was a poor fit for the Predacons who found him.
You forgot two there was Black Arachnia in animated that was originally eIlta 1 abandoned by Sentinel and Optimus wasp who they thought to be a Deceptacon spy wrongly imprisoned him and he became Waspinstor
Again - Reverse Convoy is possessed by Rebirth Megatron’s spark. I’m surprised you missed him again
Criminey, another Smoksceen/Dreadwing version. Lucky, i have the mold in those colors already.
Stealth Saber and Victory Bomber alternatively combine into Victory Saber
Stealth Saber and Victory Bomber being some kind of implied evil-wannabe version of Star Saber and Victory Leo is another fun plot hook.
Two stocky dweebs that, despite defecting to the side of evil, still idolize a pair of heroes from the Autobots and want to become the Decepticon version of that.
Cybertron Mudflap made the switch IIRC
Corrupted Rhinox / Tankor but Tankor betrayed everyone.
Is it just me or did you forgot Rhinox and Silver bolt in Beast Machines ? Rattrap even took a turn in BM when he made a deal with Megatron.
What about prowl becoming the head of devastator
Very enjoyable video
Does IDW Breakaway count?
Kinda stretching this but, Armada Sideways??
Yeah he was agent of Unicron but he still went from Autobot to Deception
Rhinos becoming tankor
I was thinking Prowl that became the head of Devastator . Did he turn Decepticon?
Wasnt Mudflap from Cybertron an Autobot in the begining of the series and he switched sides?
honestly, i dont think its fair that there arent any selfish autobot turncoats in any transformers series.
i volunteer hotrod as a traitor.
Edit: Turns out this event happened before the series started, and was reveled in the first episode. This was in no way a Spoiler. The original post is being left for posterity, but otherwise is best ignored.
Wait... Megatron does *WHAT* in Earthspark?!? I am not overly sensitive to spoilers, even major ones, but I know folks that are. It would have been safer to reference the events of IDW instead.
It's right in the first episode (well, it happens before the series starts), this version taking place after their Autobot/Decepticon war so I guess he didn't see it as much of a spoiler.
@@ShadowWingTronix Thank you for replying. Once I realized my mistake, I also quickly realized that I didn't remember on which video I had even made the comment. However, thanks to you, I was able to find it again and correct the mistake.
@@Starcat5 Happy to be of service.
Mudflap from Cybertron is one I know
Who are decepticons like Starscream and Terrorsaur who betrayed Megatron for leadership of the Decepticons and Destrons?
Does Scourge from RID 2001 count? Cause he was like Wildwheel, but slightly different
Does Armada Sideways count in this list?