What If Optimus Prime Survived The '86 Movie?
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Others have tried to imagine how the original Transformers movie would have gone had Optimus survived the Battle of Autobot City, but only I have the guts to do it for the 610th time!
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This is way more satisfying than Deviations. Your version may not have as many changes, but the differences are far more meaningful.
Yup Deviations felt mean
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“In war, battles will see the deaths of anyone in the battlegrounds, whether they go on the frontlines or tend to the wounded. Battle leaders, no matter how great, are also not spared from this highly potential fate. This was true for the case of Optimus Prime; in your universe, he was mortally wounded while engaging his archenemy Megatron when one of his comrades made a rash decision. But in another universe, the comrade who rushed to aid him made another choice…”
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I was saying this in the form of Uatu the Watcher’s tone.
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Ever heard of the Disney plus series “What If…?” It’s the narration where Uatu explains what originally happened and the story in another universe.
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The part where we begin discovering what happened if Optimus didn’t die.
I do like the idea that Megatron gets a moment of redemption and self-sacrifice. Characters are usually more interesting when they have out of character moments, and I can just imagine the voice acting chops of Frank Welker just utterly devouring the scenery.
I'm in the same boat man also with this shows the years between starscream and megs building up to that momment but if this was real him saying wait for a eternity for this will be spine chilling but epic
Exactly!
OoC? I call that 3-dimensional. Feels more down to earth that way.
I can just imagine near the end of the fight between Novascream and Megatron. Starscream claiming Megatron’s cannon saying: Once the weapon of my humiliation, shall now become the weapon of your destruction!” He stands above Megatron in a similar stance to how Megatron stood over Ironhide, pointing the cannon, “How does it feel, Mighty Megatron!” He fires…
Assuming Novascream can use the cannon, he totally would.
I LOVE IT this idea!!!!! GOLDEN!
Deviations: exists
TJ: *I’m about to end Brandon Easton’s entire career.*
His work on Transformers is mostly crap (he gave us the machinima show)
@@masterfarr8265 That was my point
I kind of love the idea of one of the next season plots being Blitzwing and other disillusioned decepticons rebuilding megatron to reclaim the glory of their cause or something and an upgraded megatron pretty much goes "What glory did we have? A bunch of wretches clawing over wrecks of each other is not glorious, it is foolish." Perhaps we get a showdown between Novascream and Megs 2.0, this time where they're on even footing. After the finale, Megatron would pretty much do what he did in Prime and just declare the Decepticon cause dead and give up the fight.
So like Prime Galvatron did?
Return of Optimus Prime could become 'Return of Rodimus Prime', what that being the turning point of hot Rod accepting his role as commander after Optimus gets infected
If not leaving Megatron alive, it'd have been cool if he went offline as he turned to gun mode, asking Prime to use him as the means Novascream would die. And I can see this is FAR better than Deviations, that comic sucked. On another note, I'm actually perfectly fine with Rodimus Prime being the leader in the main series, it's just too bad that really good episodes like Burden Hardest to Bear didn't happen sooner to establish him as a better leader. It'd be cool if someone made the changed parts in stop motion or something.
I'd love to see what changes it'd cause to the key events of Season 3 and 4.
Something that I think gets overlooked a lot is that Hot Rod gave Autobot City a headstart on activating their defenses and crippled the Deception ambush plan. If not for him, the Deceptions likely would have gotten into the city, slaughtered even more bots, and forced the remaining Autobots on the moon bases into a doomed attrition.
I rather liked this scenario, and from what I heard of Deviations, it's definitely better. Actually, I think many of us have done or thought of this "What If?.." scenario in some form or fashion with varying differences. But yours feels the most complete and realistic I think. Plus, with the fact of Optimus being leader still, it opens him to an eventual upgrade. Actually, he'd have to be upgraded since the reason a lot of characters died in the film was because the toys didn't sell anymore. Would have been an interesting experiment to see if a refreshed design of a character would still sell toys at this point in time. Given Optimus' popularity, him being the first would have been highly successful and paved the way for other characters to get refreshes and even eventual returns from beyond much sooner than it actually did. I also think it would have contributed to a full season 4 coming around, where Hot Rod, after proving himself to himself and others that he's ready for full time leadership, while being given temporary commands for preparing his eventual role over the course of season 3, would be the leader as Rodimus Prime while Optimus sticks around as an advisor. Optimus gives Rodimus advice now and again as he faces the new Decepticon who wishes to be the next Megatron in the form of Scorponok, but Optimus takes a team of Autobots to go on other adventures while tracking down Novascream and the Decepticons that have stayed loyal to him and his cause of reviving Unicron. Split stories as it were, with the traditional stories being Rodimus Prime focused against Scorponok and his Decepticons, while exploring how Optimus and his crew get on tracking down Novascream and stopping him and the Decepticons loyal to him from reviving Unicron. One side focuses on newer characters, while the other shows us older characters in a new light being the format of season 4.
This scenario by the way also has an impact on the Beast Wars episode where Starscream returns and his spark is revealed to be immortal. This potentially not being known due to him not being blasted by Galvatron also changes how Rampage would have turned out since he likely would not have had his spark made nigh-inextinguishable and majorly changes the Beast Wars from the episode Bad Spark on through season 3. Huh, y'know, I think you really should do follow-ups on this right to the end of the G1/Beast era, just to see how the survival of Optimus Prime sends those ripples through the timeline.
“You underestimate me, Novascream”
- Unicron (in an alternate 1986)
Starscream as the Herald of unicron… that would be interesting. It would also make the generation to opening make a little bit more sense with Optimus facing off against Starscream during the opening.
I really like this plot! Now I want to design this "Nova Scream"
DO IT (if you want)
:)
I would absolutely buy a toy of Nova Scream his color scheme sounds wonderful
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@@BasedVegeta ok! :)
This was a very well constructed and well thought out deviation. Even accounting for what would change for Season 3 because of it.
Hot Rodimus (Not Prime, but just Rodimus) still gets to be the main focus with Optimus retiring to a mentor role as the future leader learns from their mentor and other seniors how to be the one worthy to next bear the Prime title.
And We've seen the Energon series (Decepticons trying to revive Unicron for themselves) we know that CAN be a good story if executed properly. The pieces are there just the delivery fell flat.
Indeed and all the more unfortunate for it.
I really like this! I was picturing those final scenes with Megatron using Frank Welker's voice, that would've seen soo good. I put Optimus and Megatron next to my Studio 86 figures and I'll admit that's a really fun group shot, would've loved to see them all interact in a movie or comic like that.
Funnily enough I too thought a "What if Prime survived".
Though it's different.
Hot Rod does still shot the gun away but, Megatron let's Prime get close for another round of CQC and like the original flim gets thrown over the edge were Soundwave saves him.
When Starscream tries to overthrow Megatron, this time he has had enough and uses that to throw Starscream out along with shooting his cannon. Badly injuring Starscream, when he meets Unicron I personally have him be upgraded into Overlord (oh and SkyWarp is Cyclonus). Unicron knows that unless he does something right now, he'll be destroyed by the Matrix. He tasks Overlord to go back to earth to destroyed it and all the Autobots.
Back on earth, we cut to the Ark where Prime is learning about the string of planets being destroyed which worries him as, he knows who is behind it. He and Hot Rod have a talk like in your story but, get interrupted by Megatron wanting revenge. His body was give a bit of an upgrade (he turns into a tank now) Prime knowing that this can only end one way. He gives the Matrix to Hot Rod and tells him and tells him to go back to Autobot City immediately, and show Ultra Magnus the Matrix he'll have to be his tutor now. The battle at the Ark ends when the Ark's power core gets heavily damaged and explodes, the only survivors are those that weren't inside the base. That leaves both sides leaderless.
When Hot Rod returns to the city and informs (along with giving him the Matrix) Maguns he, immediately calls for evacuation. That's when Overlord and his Decepticons arrive, in the attack Hot Rod and Magnus get separated. And things play out like normal from here on, obvious the only real difference being Overlord taking Galvatron's place.
The aftermath: since both sides have inexperienced leaders I imagine that the Autobots being able to retake parts of Cybertron that were abandoned by thr Cons during Unicron's attack. And the war turns to trench wayfarer for season 3.
@@BasedVegeta Well Overlord's morden characterisation is that he is furious with Megatron as, Megatron is the only bot to ever defeat Overlord.
So Starscream being upgraded into Overlord would be a twist on that. Though of course he never gets to show Megatron how powerful he's now in my "What if" and, that is something that sticks with him forever.
I’m really in love with the content you’re doing and I’d really love to see more of these “What if” stories
As much as I love Ultra Magnus they should have just kept optimus as the leader and just swapped out the trailer. New toy, same character, no broken hearts.
I feel like the new Flame Toys Starscream is what your Novascream would look like! He incorporates all versions of Starscream into one figure!
This did a better job than deviations, I'd love to make this story into a stop motion video.
If you wanted to, you could fully animate this, where we could actually see hot Rod blasting the gun that killed Optimus away from Megatron, and Optimus telling hot Rod, the prophecy of the matrix and stuff.
I’m digging this, especially the use of Megatron.
You could spin a solid season 3 out of this too, structuring episodes around Prime imparting different lessons to Hot Rod.
02:46 HAHAH... Hot Rod using wrist blasters to shoot the gun... nice! 06:30. Hmmm... NovaScream... ok. I did like MegaScream, though it was over the top like he was in the Combiner Wars. Would love to see a picture of NovaScream. 09:29 Loud and proudly announcing Unicron. 22:00 Like the ending, and the use of Megatron in the story.
You’re right. This version is basically the best of both worlds. It even has both leaders surviving until nova scream/Starscream arrives and fatally wounds megs. I’m sure that if this version was the one that the writers actually came up with, Optimus prime fans would’ve preferred this one a lot more. But, history probably would’ve repeated itself this time replacing Optimus prime fans with Megatron fans. It just stinks to see one of the leaders of an entire Cybertron faction just go like that. either way, I would love to see this animated.
I can't imagine hot rod face after saw that
During the Junkion chase scene, since Ultra Magnus is alive here, he could be carrying the wounded Optimus in his trailer with Perceptor and Daniel protecting him from Junkions climbing on.
You gotta keep these "What if's" going. Next you should do "What if Dinobot 2 survived into Beast Machines?"
We need a series for that
I have the Deviations comic. I read it 3 times and found something I thought was wrong each time. I like what you have done, but here are some changes I would make to your script:
1) Consider adding an energon ax versus morning star (my one gripe about the fight)
2) Have Megatron fire his rear cannon before grabbing the gun knocking down Optimus, Hot Rod fires at him distracting him and enabling Optimus to shoot him and critically wound him
3) Optimus has to go to the Ark for major repairs, he gives the matrix to Ultra Magnus for safe keeping, but he drops it and Hot Rod catches it
4) While the movie proceeds as much as normal, Hot Rod sometimes hears Optimus's voice, helping him and guiding him along
5) Love your ending, don't change a thing.
"Sometimes it's better to be known for ones enemies," what would the decepticons loyal to Megatron do when, instead of Starscream sacrificing the weak Megatron to make room for stronger bots, Novascream straight up kills him? Would any, other than Blitzwing, leave the decepticons when they find out their leader threatened Cyertron as well? The Megatron loyalist followed Galvatron in 'five faces' but would they have followed Novascream? I'd love to hear a part 2 of what you think the Megatron/Cybertron loyal would do.
I envision this to be like an episode of Marvel What If?
Duuuude. What if videos!? Heck yeah!!!! I freaking LOVE this stuff!!! I would ADORE seeing more of these for G1or any other series. And you did a great job TJ!
Novascream is now canon, thank you very much.
I'm taking notes on the Novascream details as we speak.
@@BasedVegeta Where?
Hey TJ, you could be a great book writer, your creativity is amazing
We need a part 2 of this video. Good stuff man.
We need an animated mini series
This is not just FAR superior to deviations but for me It actually do it better than the movie
Megatron being left behind on Junk.....I could see this leading to an interesting season 3 episode. Maybe we do get a Dark Awakening and Return of______, but its "Return of Megatron" instead. Brought back by the Junkions in a new armored truck body similar to the Botcon 2015 toy. (With his dotm poncho and shotgun for good measure)
It's an interesting idea, but it ignores the fact that Megatron was so heavily damaged that a punch put him on the edge of death. That aside, I'd have Starscream become the herald, still kicking Megatron to the curb, only to have Unicron remake him into Galvatron when it became obvious Starscream was a traitor.
Long time fan TJ, thought this was fantastic and I'd love to see it animated or even in stop motion!
Really good my only problem is NovaScream attempting to betray Unicron and then realizing he'd prefer to stay Unicrons herald. Not saying it doesn't make sense for Starscream to something like that I just think it makes alot more sense for Starscrean to help Unicron destroy cybertron and the reason he'd go inside Unicron is to protect him from the autobots
It makes sense to me. Think of all the times he's tried to kill Megatron only to go back to grovelling at his feet minutes later.
The thing we have to remember is that one of the main purposes of the Transformers movie was to introduce a new line of toys and clear the slate of the discontinued characters. For that, we can't just have Optimus Prime continue on as he is. However, the new toyline did provide a convenient "out" for this situation since while the toy we know as Optimus Prime was discontinued another very similar toy was being introduced. In the movie we got, this toy would be introduced as Ultra Magnus, a new character with his similarities to Optimus downplayed (hence why we never saw his un-armoured robot mode) but that toy could just as easily have been used as an upgraded form of Optimus. Doing so would mean that we'd lose Ultra Magnus as a character, but he doesn't seem to play much of a role in your summary anyway.
The other issue is Galvatron. That was another major new toy being introduced so he would need some sort of role in the movie. He doesn't need to be a reformatted Megatron, but he needs to play a part.
Galvatron as a character was replaced by Novascream, so his toy wouldn't exist. Novascream would receive a toy instead.
The only thing I would change is instead of Optimus having the conversation with Hot Rod, it’s with Ultra Magnus, but Hot Rod overhears it from behind a doorway.
EDIT: to add… I think the reason Optimus should kept Megatron alive would be to see a fair trail. I also wouldn’t have killed him on Junk, and would have let him go with the B team inside Unicron. I think he would have made an interesting character dynamic with Daniel, and would have died then, to save the kid and his father inside Unicron.
As for Optimus, I know it goes against the core concept, but I really do believe he needed to die in order for Hot Rod’s arc to be completed. So having him sacrifice himself inside Unicron to stop Novascream from destroying would have completed that arc and made for a better story.
Oooo What if videos sounds really fun!
I always liked Deviations but honestly your version is way better. I’d love to see that drawn up as a comic. Well done TJ.
In this version of Dark Awakening, Megaton becomes the zombie.
This is an AWESOME piece of "what if" daydreaming and someone should make a fan film of it IMMEDIATELY! It sounds like a FAR better movie than the one we actually got!
The only tweak I would make in my version is Hot Rod remains as Rodimus at the end, with Optimus choosing to take a step back and mentor him that way, kinda like Ultra Magnus did in the real season 3. That could free up Ultra Magnus to be more doubtful of Rodimus' leadership (questioning whether he's ready or not, etc.) but going along with it because he trusts Optimus. So you have this little triangle between the three of them with Magnus going back and forth between his conflicted feelings - some days he trusts Optimus more than he doubts Rodimus, others the reverse.
And yeah, Deviations did feel a bit mean-spirited. Been a while since I read it, but the thing that got me was how hard I seem to remember all the characters being on Hot Rod; felt a bit out of character for many of them - particularly Optimus and Magnus.
You want a “What If”? What if the shuttle hijacking was an inside job? Think about it… how did the Decepticons manage to get on a shuttle flying at near light speed (presumably), without attacking from a ship of their own? Someone on the shuttle must’ve disabled any enemy detection system and also slowed the shuttle down at the exact right time for the Decepticons to detonate a bomb on the shuttle’s hull. You can see, the Decepticons weren’t in a ship. Must’ve been dropped off on an nearby asteroid along the shuttle’s flight path, and when the bomb goes off, they just fly right on in. Maybe it was Brawn. He’s the first to get up and then take one to the shoulder (yeah it blew out his back, Starscream double crossed him). Or Ironhide. Tired of taking Prime’s crap all the time “But Prime!” I can hear him say. Yes Megs shoots his head off, but that may have been a double cross. Ironhide was supposed to stay down, but then when he heard the real plan, Ironhide had a change of heart and wanted to appeal to Megatron’s sense of honor - “Such heroic nonsense”
This was way better than Deviations. I'm intrested to see what else will next you'll do. I hope you do a "What If" or how you would do for Transformers Animated season 4. With the standard 13 episodes choosen from the pitch ideas. Sticking on to both the shows ideas and stuff before it. Like if Prime or Cyberverse didn't exist yet. Sticking with what's been established. If you probably want! You couldn't even start it off with live show and continue it. I know this is a little long, but I'm just saying it be cool to see something do a summary what if for TFA Season 4!
Hasbro: My Destiny. This isn’t how I wanted it to end.😰
Optimus prime: On the contrary! I could not have allowed this to end otherwise!
I think Prime could’ve died toward the end of the film within Unicron. It would’ve fulfilled the passing of the torch plot they were going for without doing it too soon. But hey there is a billion outcomes that could come from this story.
When Megatron died in this universe, my heart saddened a little… I know it’s stupid, but I really was hoping that he could have a good guy redemption ark.
Enjoying the content. Had idea similar but with more deaths in both sides. I wrote some of it out, but was having trouble with the matrix and how to make it fit
Deviations was a farce! I'm glad I read it online instead of paying for it! Anyway, I like your version better! Especially the idea of Unicron torturing Nova Scream every time he fails!
This is a far better take on that concept, and Novascream is a great name for an upgraded Starscream@ thanks for doing this!
Awesome video I like your version and the return of Optimus could be replaced with the return of Megatron
This is a really interesting redemption story that you had carved out of the 1986 movie for good old Megs.
Yes a part 2 with mega tron being returned to life like prime was
That was a pretty great version of the TF movie.
This sounds awesome! If I was going to do a What If alternate reality of this scenario I would make Soundwave be the one to destroy Starscream at the coronation and be the one reformatted by Unicron due to his loyalty to Megatron and alliance with Unicron would allow him to best serve Megatron if he was the power of a planet on the side of the Decepticons and would relinquish command to Megatron when they free from Autobot imprisonment.
I think it would be cool to see Soundwave in more of the lime light :D
MORE WHAT IFS LIKE THIS PLEASE!!!
Bought this the week of BotCon 2016 and read it on the two hour drive there.
This is favorite of your new videos!
Hot rod = the chosen one.
There are some really cool ideas here. The only problem is that people tend to forget that Optimus WAS going to kill Megatron. “No matter the cost.” “One shall stand, one shall fall.” Kup - “Finish him, Prime.” And of course Prime grabbing the gun for the final blow. He was ready to end the charade. I guess the one thing that would’ve stopped him to rethink would’ve been Hot Rod’s interference, lending him realize Megatron is defenseless and should have a trial.
I also don't understand why people keep thinking that G1 Optimus Prime would never kill and wouldn't have killed Megatron in that scene. Prime seemed very serious in the movie than he normaly was. I also think that he only wouldn't have killed Megatron if he saw he was really defenseless like you said. More like the Jedi way.
Pretty Cool!
now i want to see this so much
Oh, I like this!
Wow man ,that was good 👍 !! I saw it in the Theater when it can out and….well…. That’s all I have to say about that.I love the part about Megatron , it was perfect the way you said it. Thank you for fixing it I didn’t think it could be done.
This was fantastic and I'd love to see a part two. :)
The Return of. Optimus Prime becomes the Return of Megatron.
Don't know Deviations, but I rather enjoyed your take on the idea
Excellent job. Very smart and also very heartfelt story. Congratulations and I sincerely hope this end up being produce.
I liked the story and want to hear more of Novascream and season 3. Keep doing it
Oh, MAN! This is SO much better than that DEVIATIONS garbage where everyone rags on Hot Rod.
Unicorn: I am your ultimate doom, prepare for extinction
Optimus: yeah yeah, I know how to open the matrix with ease
Unicorn: this is cheating! Ban him, ban him
I really do enjoy your interpretation of this scenario. Incredibly satisfying to listen to.
It is a little like mine, only with a few differences. I love the idea of Novascream however, and in mine he never really ejected the damaged decepticons, as in my version Unicron found them in Astrotrain. And I feel Skywarp and Thundercracker would be upgraded too, but keeping their names and colour scheme.
I really enjoy this what if it pretty good
Awesome video Tj! Please make this a running series!
I love this idea! But I would've had Optimus and Hot Rod jump Novascream. Being that He's way stronger than a both. During the fight NS would've still been whiping the floor with both of them. But during the fight the Matrix get knocked away. Optimus tells HR, "to get the Matrix" I'll hold him off, you must active its power! Just before HR picks up the Matrix NS impales OP. Then NS beats HR within a inch of his life. But wait OP isn't dead. He has just enough strength to distract NS for HR to active the Matrix and be come Rodimus Prime. RP and NS fight he throws NS out of Unicron and UC explodes. Back on Cybertron they have a memorial ceremony for Optimus Prime and every autobot that survived is in attendance. Till all are one, credits role.
This was amazing !
This would have been a better story than the original story. I would love to see Optimus prime get his own revenge on Megatron for killing all of the autobots
I agree with this video, but it will set up for the return of Megatron as an Autobot, because of the fact that Novascream and the Decepticons gathering Energon for the revival of Unicron and in my opinion would have been successful in doing so, and this will lead to the true final battle between the Autobots with Megatron included and Novascream and the Decepticons with a revived Unicron. The final battle will include the removal of the Matrix of leadership, the death of Optimus, and Hot Rod becomes Rodimus and truly accepting the role of leader into truly destroying Unicron to the point of no repair and Novascream being captured and Megatron getting the remaining Decepticons an opportunity to becoming redeemed like he was, when he self sacrificed himself to tell Optimus to save Cybertron and then his systems turned off.
I'm actually really curious what your reasoning is behind Megatron dying, because Magnus was legitimately blown into bits and pieces yet was repaired
Magnus was blown up by the Sweeps (in the original script he was drawn and quartered). In this version Novascream would strike down Megatron personally. Since he's Unicron's herald his weaponry would be far more powerful and deadly.
Love it. I’d like to see a design or some thing for Nova Scream. Sounds like a very interesting design
I would like to see a part 2.
I've actually done a part 2! Been sidetracked for a while now but a part 3 is also planned.
@@TJOmega I can’t wait for it.
This was awesome! I would like to see more what ifs like this.
I just realized something. I was this idea, possibly inspired by the transformers prime episode “one shall rise“ were Optimus and Megatron also teamed up to defeat Unicron?
15:48 Megatron : You gave up you Spark !
Novascream : That's why I have no fear
Loved this version of the movie. I just wish there was a better way they could have handled the autobot deaths.
Space has no gravity, but weight is still a thing, more mass = more energy required to move the mass. Astrotrain demanded to jettison the damaged 'cons to get to Cybertron faster and with less energon/fuel/etc. expended.
With that nitpick aside though, I quite like this alternate "what if", especially Megatron's redemption arc and desire to save Cybertron from Unicron.
If this was a 6 issue series with proper adult art, this would be my most prised transformers comic
he survived
The idea behind Deviations was sound, the product not so much. Do like the variant cover with Kup and Hot Rid tbh
Way better than Deviations, far closer to the original vision of the characters as a whole. I still love the original movie as is, but I would have been fine if it turned out the way you described instead, and would have loved to see the series continuing afterward. Would love to hear more about those potential changes afterward.
Low key this is a better version of the movie
TJ for prez!
Cool concept I like it. I'd personally have megatron survive for a team up at the end to stop Novascream.
I absolutely love this story! I would have loved this instead of what we got.
Very enjoyable what if. Can't say much more
ahhh you're doing what ifs too then, I'll have to make sure I don't retread anything you cover then
Nothing wrong with retreading, different perspectives of an idea make them more interesting, especially with What Ifs that can go so many ways.
@@TJOmega fair enough!
I liked this a lot, i look forward to a part 2, and so on.