Let’s Talk - The Future of Pokémon Card Collecting…
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Do you like modern more or vintage more and why?
Modern, just what I'm familiar with
Modern is better. Vintage bros are mostly in it for money. Art in modern is way better. I get the nostalgia factor but thats all vintage has going for it. BTW i been into pokemon since yellow version
Modern more and a little vintage for collection. Still trying to get psa 10 crystal nidoking 😂
Modern. I was raised on vintage but modern is just too cool..
Raised with vintage and i do love vintage and have most grails and master sets done.. but 100% focused on modern, love these arts and love how cheap they are vintage always has a place in my heart but i do love modern
I’m a huge vintage head. Noticed a lot of friends are actually into modern, alt arts, SAR’s and full arts etc. I love that I get easy access to vintage because of this. I’d like to continue to get 1st edition cards and take them home to my binders and the super pristine ones “may” get graded… or not. Either way, I’m just happy that I’ll be able to focus on neo sets without interruption.
I think it’s an amazing time to focus on vintage sets for that reason with all the noise no one’s worried about 1999-2007 (my favorite time frame) great comment and thanks for watching! 😎
Yup!
I think you've let the hype cloud your vision. Nobody will genuinely care about a card which has thousands of gem mint copies. Irrational markets can last a decade, just because people have "cared" about this stuff for a couple of years, be careful, historically these things have found a way to bite "investors" on the arse.
That’s a great point I mean obviously I’m still buying vintage regardless but I do feel modern is just more relatable and affordable so many new collectors are *probably* pouring their money into the newest latest and greatest. It’s going to be cool to stick around and find out. Danny you know I’ve been skeptical of modern for some time now so there’s always a chance things fall apart but the franchise seems very strong right now. I think people overall feel less risky buying into modern is all I’m saying. I call it how I see it man! Hopefully vintage prevails 😂😎🙏🏼
Vintage will boom again once the 90's babies get into their years with more disposable income, I expect a big leap around retirement their retirement years. It appears to become a common life cycle type of thing to collect nostalgic stuff from the era you grew up in.
A lot of 90's babies are transitioning into the baby & wedding phases of life, a little less money, but earning more than they previously had in their 20's.
I hope so but either way I’m collecting what I enjoy I just notice that all the rage lately (past several months) has been modern only. NO one is talking about vintage and maybe it’s time to change that. Maybe I can start a series talking about each set and my favorite cards. I was going to do this before but forgot 😂
We need a better economy first us 90s babies can't afford a house or groceries rn 😫
Thanks for the vid. I'm collecting modern instead of vintage. However, my main rule is that I only collect cards that go into decks. My favorite part of the hobby is deck building and creating a pool of expanded decks that are fun and balanced against each other.
So I'll be collecting mostly less common things like standard staples, foiling out the decks with reverse holofoils, and very specific special illustration and full art cards (ex. SI Tinkaton ex, SI Chien-Pao, FA Meowscarada)
Totally get that and respect it! I don’t have the time but I also built a deck and totally understand just how wanting to buy cards to enjoy the actual function of them. Also tink is one of my favorite modern pokemon ! I think it reminds me of my little girl 😂
@@orionsires That's awesome, best wishes for you and your family.
Vintage... wotc era cards for exaple a common card feels good having. new era just feels like bulk
Absolutely agree 😎
I collect 95% Vintage. I would totally spend much money on vintage grail cards. Currently chasing Charizard and Mew Gold Star PSA8/9. Cool video ✌🏼
Yeah I’m basically the same way 😎🙏🏼
just get what you like
That’s always the best advice
The modern cards look awesome, no doubt, but for me personally, it's vintage > modern for me. Although in saying this, the only vintage sets I care about are base, jungle, fossil & team rocket, as they were the only 4 sets I grew up with. Each to their own. Good video man. 👍
It’s awesome to see so many vintage fans and with the shift in modern popularity it will open some opportunities in sets people aren’t looking at currently 😎🙏🏼
I can’t collect any more bc I’m broke but I still watch this Chanel
Hey you can feel free to live vicariously through me thank you for watching still 🙏🏼
Vintage is just too expensive for me. That's already a settled market. Like the real value is in vintage, those are definitely the assets that will protect your money. Modern is more speculative and volatile because it's new in my opinion.
Yes I agree with this statement and I feel the vast majority of collectors especially new ones feel this way. Although I don’t think modern is too volatile. It’s all hinged on massive reprints and whether they occur or not. 🤷🏻♀️
I feel like everything switched with Gen 4. Gen 1 through 3 seemed to have the same formula with true legendary and sub legendary pokemon. Once Gen 4 introduced "God" pokemon things changed. Like you, Gen 1-3 will always be my favorite and this is what I consider true vintage.
Yeah agreed and I will always feel that way. I’ve learned about all the other sets and still keep coming back to Gen 1-3 games and Pokemon. I am trying to be open minded about modern Pokemon and card designs 🤷🏻♀️
Totally! I pick and choose what to collect when it comes to modern Pokemon/sets @@orionsires
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Holy moly look at all those bags
😂 endless bags
PSA is Subjective grading, that is a huge issue with grading cards
I’ve learned this the hard way 😂🤷🏻♀️
Looks wise modern blows vintage out of the water.
Interesting take I’m a fan of the v alt arts and the new sir style but I actually thought the Vmax cards were kinda lame when I first saw them and I absolutely hated the Tera forms and crowns but thanks for sharing!! We all gave different preferences but I can appreciate everything 😎
Your positive attitude is so addicting, keep up the great work my dude!
Thanks homie! Appreciate you fam 😎🙏🏼
I have a bit of a more bullish view on vintage. I am into sports cards, especially vintage (mostly baseball). Vintage baseball has held value and continued to grow steadilly for years and years. Sure nostaligia plays a part, but another factor in their worth is that these cards have historic significance. I think early cards of iconic pokemon will do well because of this. People will want them for the significance of the card, not nessiaarilly the nostaligic factor. For examples, I was born in the 90s but love 50s and 60s baseball cards. I have no nostalgic connection to them, but tresasure them the same just because of how historically significant & unique they are. Youd be suprised, but many of these cards have higher pop reports than pokemon cards, but hold a premium still. Vintage baseball may not be flashy like new cards, but knowing they are going on 75 years old is pretty cool. I believe has pokemon continues to entrench itself as a pop culture icon (like disney and star wars) early cards will become more and more valued just solely for the fact of their historic significance
Hey I hope the same thing occurring in sports cards happens with pokemon. I just purchased my most expensive card recently a 1st edition charizard psa 9 but there’s a part of me that worries that vintage will be dead because the new money and new collectors are going after modern more than anything. It will be cool to see what happens for the hobby entirely over the next decade great comment and thanks for watching 😎🙏🏼
Now is a great time to pick up vintage. I’ve pivoted recently towards vintage too
Nice thanks for sharing your thoughts 😎🙏🏼
I am a nidoking fan! might need that crystal nido from you next time you're in raleigh
Haha not sure what I’ll do with the 8 probably re sub it at some point 😎😂
definitely see the nostalgia from older generations being pushed to more mid/modern sets with new/younger collectors
Yeah it’s the reality but I know there will always be people who love vintage just saying it seems like that’s where the hobby is headed long term I might be wrong 🤷🏻♀️
@@orionsires oh yeah for sure if I could afford anything wotc ide def wanna pick some up😂
What younger collectors? The handful who can afford it. The people buying these cards are the same people who grew up with WoTC.
@@dannybradley8391 I’m 22😂 I grew up with Diamond/ pearl onwards
@@ktcardz I get that, my point is are "you" creating this market? Is it 22 year olds who are paying thousands of pounds for modern Pokémon cards or is it the 25-30s and over? Also, are kids opening these products?
I will be purchasing mega evolutions preparing for the 2025 boom 💥 of the return of megas in legends Z-A
It’s going to be interesting seeing what Pokémon has in store… 😎🙏🏼
I mostly collect English cards in binders, though I have a few graded ones. I’m curious about your thought process behind grading. Your crystal Nidoking was graded a 9, and you cracked it open, made a video about the frustrations, and resubmitted it. It came back as an 8, even though it was a 9. Now, you're considering buying a 10. I’m just happy to have the cards I own, but I wish you had shared more about why you choose to submit to grading companies despite the risks.
I just like to add the cards I own that are graded are Japanese ones, never in English. I have cards like Red's Pikachu, the trio Kanto trainers and starters, the CoroCoro Mew, and the CD promos. I like consistency, so I aim for grade 9 for vintage and grade 10 for ultra-modern ones. This is why I collect just a few graded cards. I do chase the grade for Japanese because how good the qc are 😁
I think grading is risky but I really wanted to clean and resub my Nidoking because it had dirt on it but yeah horrible experience and wouldn’t try that again. I will probably resub it again and crack it again and send it in through bulk to try one more time for a 9 but I always wanted a 10 for the crystal Nidoking it’s honestly one of my favorite vintage cards. It also goes to show that we all make mistakes even long time collectors make mistakes. 🤷🏻♀️😂
Im a big fan of the CD promos too 😎🙏🏼
I was thinking about this topic the other day. I think you can kind of relate vintage pokemon market to older vintage cars. Rare and really popular vintage cars continue to rise while run of the mill cars that are not as popular are taking a hit. Similar to cards. Rare high dollar cards will always have a premium. Not as popular or cool to most cards will be harder to sell in the future. People like the latest and greatest, older men and women who love their old cars usually has something new and modern in their garage as well.
Great points Gruves.. I think deep down I fully expect modern pricing to bubble burst while true vintage rises but the these days everyone is all about SIR and Modern Alts so it’s hard to tell what the mass majority of collectors are focusing on 🤷🏻♀️
“I love vintage” proceeds to talk about modern alt arts the rest of the video
😂 yeah but everyone who knows me knows I’m a vintage head regardless of my ranting and the point of the video is to admit that what I love most is probably on the way out popularity wise… modern is the the move now for most people and vintage will see a drop in popularity probably. 🤷🏻♀️
And yet you still listened 😂
@@orionsires just to clarify I wasn’t knocking it, I just found it funny. I prefer vintage over modern, but if you were to look at my collection you wouldn’t think that. Imo starting from Team Up to now, its been a different Pokemon and its hard to away
@@THECHIMPLIFE I did, i watched the entire video. I didnt say he was wrong, I just thought it was funny and shows how powerful modern is right now
Another great take on the pokemon hobby as a whole. Vintage might become worth less than modern one day as modern is now and where the "hype" is at.
I don’t think that will ever happen.
Would be wild but I think we might see some of those 1k psa 10 modern grails become 3-4k cards in the near future.. nothing shocks me now 😂
Hey I hope not but the market decides what happens ultimately and I accept that. I still collect what I want but I do think some people who invested heavy into these recent sets will do well. 🤷🏻♀️
Ur crazy every time i have went to get scarlet and violet i cant barley find it i have to go to all kinds of different stores and sometimes never got anything. Seems like in sword and shield they was everywhere and i could find any set when they was in the new phase
I see SV everywhere but never saw sword and shield other than overpriced options at target or GameStop 🤷🏻♀️
I’m up 76% on my (160) HH boxes from September in terms of pack value. Technically I was up 50% or so when I bought them, so the most optimal play was probably to just break them all down and flip the packs.
But it just goes to show you that you don’t need to buy into booster boxes to invest. This is pretty much the best possible return and I had a huge margin of safety when I bought them at retail.
I also expect them to rise even more. The loose packs are continuing to mature in the market. Evolving skies is has gone up 10% or so in the past few weeks. Not to mention LO went from like $3 -> ~$4
Yeah looking back I should have ripped those boxes and broken down for all the packs 😂😭 definitely took an L opening mine 🤷🏻♀️
What i like about pokemon they do sets in block with différent layout, BW+XY, SM, SS. I think Scarlet Violet will be a block of 6 years with gen 10 like BW-XY! So you can collect these bloc only. And collect other games, or plushies after that :)
A tad confused but that’s okay I think the sets you mentioned are hot right now though 😎
singles vintage, modern sealed, i have all the vintage zards psa8 and above cept for skyridge holo (i only get the better version so no reverse cept for LC , no unlimited if 1st ed etc...), gonna try to get 1 at next collect a con, also have every sealed product from xy base to present, my next goal is probably getting 1 blister of everything i miss from sealed so bw to 1st ed base
You are going ham my guy! Nice! I’ve been slacking on mid era modern boxes XY and up psa 8 is pretty solid honestly you can find some really strong ones. Heck my psa 9 Nidoking just came back an 8 😂
@@orionsires yea well psa9 pref always but sometimes a psa8 is almost half the price tbh i would take 2 psa 8 over 1 psa9
PSA 9-10!
For sure 😎
No hate but I think you’re right, I’m not big on vintage and I grew up with it. I prefer the modern arts. I think it looks cooler personally !
Sun and moon tag team and up is my thang!
Yeah some people didn’t even like vintage and prefer modern even while growing with vintage and I find that interesting no hate taken at all just sharing your opinion 😎🙏🏼
I like both and it's now far enough along that we probably need more terms than just vintage and modern. Ultra modern should change every few years to the newest, most hyped sets, and more mid era or transitional between the two is being seen as more "vintage." WOTC is its own designation, but I consider early Nintendo era and ex vintage as well. SO, I like both, and it's all about price points for me. While I value my low pop vintage cards the most of anything I own, at a certain price point I'd sell higher grades and happily keep a lower grade copy of the same art, whereas certain modern cards I own I also value highly as they are not worth selling below a certain price point. But for anything "modern" I have to have PSA 10 if not a binder copy since why not, they are so plentiful right now and grading or buying 10s is usually not cost prohibitive like high grade vintage is. SO MUCH to enjoy, part of what makes collecting so fun, and the more time passes the more standards change which makes staying engaged and researching very satisfying.
Nicely put Karma! Loved reading your take and agree there needs to be more specific terminology than lumping it all into two categories but it feels like most stuff in between does get somewhat forgotten. It’s hard to keep up with it all that’s for sure no matter what price points. But I appreciate both I just can’t believe the kind of hype going into “ultra modern” right now. I thought for sure scarlet violet sets will be sitting dead in the water and I was wrong they are moving along just fine.. I thought super vintage 1999-2007 was definitely superior but times change.. 🤷🏻♀️
@@orionsires Ditto. Pokemon is still pretty new, vintage Poke boomers are still young, and in every other established hobby I can think of with very few exceptions, the original early stuff is prized, less volatile and steadily rises in perception as the most desirable. I have zero nostalgia for anything pre-1970s, but there are LOTS of things I would love to own and can't afford that are much older than that. This is the long game, hardly anyone cared pre-2016 about Pokemon which was only 8 years ago, it would take literally time itself to convince me low pop early vintage and trophy cards will not continue rising and leading the hobby as the most desirable cards to own. Everything rests on its shoulders, all those great trailblazing artists will only rise in collective esteem and I think that will contribute to desirability as well. As long as collectors love and respect Pokemon as a franchise, it's hard to imagine things settling out eventually any other way. I appreciate you, your vintage quest is spectacular.
I imagine it’s a very narrow band of people that are are ocd enough to collect graded cards but not ocd enough to get them in a 10 lol.
Very narrow group 😂 you have to be some type of OCD to collect 10’s and be willing to pay the premium for that perfection and even 10’s aren’t necessarily perfect 😂🤷🏻♀️
I was looking for a psa 10 Miriam yesterday and they all look like 9s
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When this economy crashes again and the breached dam causes a flood, I will be ready to sweep up. People overleverage themselves and it's ridiculous. Cash is king at this point.
I think that’s a really strong point and somewhat agree. I am both stressed out to continue collecting because of that possibility but I don’t want to miss out either 🤷🏻♀️
@@orionsires def should have some pokemon on hand since even though bad things can happen, pokemon has a high chance of bouncing back for sure.
I think the hobby will die down in the near future. But when the hype comes back, the modern cards will become the "new vintage" and current vintage will be the "vintage vintage". I don't know if that makes sense but that's how I see it
I still think there’s hype right now the hobby is alive but I think the focus is primarily on the hottest cards and newest arts people are taking to scarlet violet really well 😎
"die down"? no, slowing yes, as usual
i think more down the line firsts will be king as first set is always king, so first ed. modern now, will just be another era of overflooded modern,the pile will keep stacking and stacking for years with sets like this, full of pokemons that nobody knows. this is really not an era to be nostalgic about.,.. 2020 is where pokemon stop being about the fun we have and more about the money we make with it... if u disagree fine, but its a fact that the hobby population grew by 100 000% in one year post 2020, and its not because suddently peoples remembered they liked pokemon, the ammount of peoples that couldnt name u 1 pokemon per era past gen 3-4 is probably insanely high
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Lmao those dogs. You look salty they dont wanna be in your room 😅😅
yea pls be nicer to the dogs and family members on vid
They are loyal to Dyanna even though they’re mine technically 😂
It’s just me joking but I suppose you might be new here 🤷🏻♀️
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