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The Right Opinion: The Rise And Fall of Frenemies - Trisha and Ethan's Impossible Podcast | TRO
0:00- Introduction
14:25 - The Beginning
22:27 - Crash
30:45 - Dynamic
40:07 - Chaos & Control
49:24 - Frenemies
57:08 - Couples Counselling
1:05:04 - Trisha's Counselling
1:15:59 - Resolution
1:23:53 - The Wall
1:33:16 - Penultimatum
1:39:57 - The Final Episode
1:49:11 - Aftermath
1:57:31 - Aftershock
2:13:07 - The Next Episode
2:22:24 - Divergence
2:31:36 - Reconciliation
2:40:44 - Enemies
2:50:08 - Nemeses
3:04:45 - Truth
3:12:14 - Lies
3:22:34 - Who’s Using Who?
3:30:40 - Who’s Using Who, 2
3:41:32 - Five Percent
3:48:46 - Faith
4:04:27 - Frenemies
4:13:26 - Outro & Credits
For me, I guess I’ll always be someone who requires the rehearsed nature of scripts to maximise my full potential, and although I’m not adverse to making appearances on a podcast here and there, I think I need to focus my efforts on my content first and foremost, given how I have regularly failed to do that of recent. However, it is a thought that has taken up residence in my psyche, what if I was to drop everything I was doing now, set up a new channel with the resources I currently possess, and do something that doesn’t require me tearing my hair out. In a way, it’s a decision that Ethan and Hila Klein, also known as h3h3productions made a few years ago, when they decided to launch the h3 podcast, but let’s rewind for just a moment in case anyone here isn’t fully acquainted with the CZcams leviathan that is h3h3productions.
h3h3productions is the CZcams channel run by the aforementioned Klein couple, they established a presence on CZcams for content that often parodied their subjects, usually utilising Ethan’s offbeat sense of humour, alongside editing that put a somewhat amusingly absurdist twist on the content they were lampooning. Nonetheless, many of these videos also had an underlying moral message that resonated with many viewers, often calling out many of the creators of their time for their often shallow exploitation of CZcams culture.
They’re funny, they’re well made, and many of them are still relevant to this day. They’re videos I grew up with, and will always find a place in my heart for. However, a few years ago, as many of you probably know, they themselves became the centre of attention after one of the subjects of their videos: a gentleman by the name of Matt Hoss, decided to sue them for copyright infringement. It had been regularly debated on how much commentary constituted fair use, and with h3’s videos, there was an uneasy trepidation that maybe, if the ruling went in the favour of the plaintiff, that a new gauntlet would be set down for further lawsuits in this domain.
Fortunately the case was won by our protagonists here, and they triumphantly returned to the platform, cheered on by the platform itself, and many creators whose livelihoods seemed to depend on the verdict. However, you can’t really undo the stress that such a case would cause you, and in the aftermath it seemed difficult to return to that content with the same sort of gusto that they’d previously bore. And it’s hard to blame them, if anything a lawsuit which requires such an investment would inevitably sap the fun out of the content that in many ways served as an escape at one point. So, over time, they seemed to distance themselves further from the formula that they had once been inseparable from, venturing into new pastures, including the one we mentioned earlier: the podcast.
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I have watched the whole video in 30 seconds
It's a pleasure! Glad this video is finally out to see!
... are you really so hard up you're needing to literally peddle drugs to kids and shit? Wow
"they" when talking abt trisha
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Just started the journey thank you sir
I'm glad they had a gimmick where they dressed up every episode because it made every argument a million times funnier
the bickering while ethan is dressed up as uncle fester 😭😭😭
@user-lv1qm1cg9k Trisha explaining how she goes to therapy 4 times a week as her sunhat falls off.
That was the point
im sorry , but the idea of trisha and ethan having an argument about firing the whole crew while Ethan was dress like uncle fester is so funny to me 💀💀
I haven't watched this video yet so idk if he covers it, but the funniest part of that video was the ad break where Ethan is sitting there alone looking sad dressed as uncle fester and half heartedly doing the ad xD
@@BoneSoldier666 oh man i cant not find that hilarious
i would feel so ridiculous, but i think at that point things were pretty absurd for them
The image you’re painting is hilarious but in actuality it was (sadly) just extremely uncomfortable 😭😭😭😭
Its been so long I forgot who he was dressed as 😂😂 lmfao I died all over again when I read your comment
What is going on with Ethan’s eyes? Why can’t anyone tell me why he’s constantly trying to warn us being held hostage? I bet Ethan holds his nose when jumps into a pool. What a douche!!!!
I'm completely shocked by the Dr Drew episodes. Having BPD doesn't mean you get to escape responsibility because one of your "things" is overwhelming anger or emotional imbalance. Blaming Ethan for not being able to cope with Trisha's BPD instead of helping Trisha regulate her emotions is so enabling and damaging to everyone involved.
such a good take!!
Exactly! I have BPD, and I’ve damaged relationships because of my outbursts in the past, but I used those instances to reflect and work on myself. Splitting is awful and feels uncontrollable, but we still have the ability to come back, apologize, and work on preventing those outbursts in the future. The LAST thing we need is to be enabled, especially with some of the horrific things Trisha has said
He is a dr. He is coming from that profession. To analyze and evaluate. Not to pacify. And not to give the public what they want ,villainisation. Sry you’ll get a medical professionals point of view
@@chantell209 I have bpd. It is not the responsibility of those around me to deal with my emotional imbalances and outbursts. It is my responsibility to seek help. And if those around me can't deal and need to nope away from me, that's completely fair.
@@chantell209 It’s not villainizing Trisha if we hold them accountable for being abusive. I’ve never had a doctor tell me that OTHERS need to accommodate for my splitting episodes-they should tell you how to stop yourself from having those episodes and hurting the people around you
all this podcast needed was a safe word for when things were getting too real.
But showing us the dramas was what made the podcast popular tho. Audiences were there wanting to witness the chaos. And they were trying to use those to exchange for views and money too.
Like marriage counseling 🤣
too real
i feel as though trish never would've used the safe word regardless
@@yolenda_loves_to_sing they didn’t fight from episodes like 12-38 and that’s when the show was most popular, so I disagree
Watching Dr. Drew give terrible advice to Ethan and Trisha dressed in drag as each other was a fever dream on the internet.
Frenemies was so surreal and it makes me sad that there will never be something like it again
What
@@marielcarey4288 what’s surreal to me is that ethan didn’t leave the show the second trish called his wife a cvnt lmao. s
@@asmrtpop2676 I guess some things get a pass when you have a cash cow collaboration? 😭
@@asmrtpop2676 Poor Hila. And the sad thing is, many men would do the same thing if they were bringing in that kind of money.
"Trisha showed a strange interest toward humans of Jewish background."
What a perfect way to put that.
“Eww so jewy” -Trisha paytas
I would replace "strange" with "suspicious" tbh.
Agreed 😂
She want that money and knows where it is
@@Super_Broly LOL
I also love how Dr. Drew says “mentally ill people just do what they do and you must just take it.” Like no? What is this toxicity?
Truly staggering how fucking ignorant of a comment that was by Dr Drew
Yeah literally... Didn't like his vibe or most of the stuff he said
Yea, he just comes across as a gross enabler and takes a really patronizing view of mental illness as this uncontrollable curse or affliction.
Drew is the king of bad takes.
I feel like they intentionally grabbed a shitty therapist or told him what to say for the sake of content
The fact that "Final Episode" isn't even the halfway point is wild.
The wall totally confused me frfr
I love how Drew’s advice was “you should just deal with verbal abuse. She’s abusive, too bad.”
It's people with such irresponsible views as that who also act like an authority, that gives life to a now-growing sentiment that men are marginalized, regardless of how valid one thinks that is, it's a growing phenomenon and people like Dr. Drew are fanning the flames unknowingly, or unknowingly giving exposure to a legitimate problem within society, no matter one's view of said sentiment, Drew's advice is just bad for everyone.
Right?! He really just said deal with it lmao
@@Slimurgical I don't think it has to do with gender but infantilising people with mental illness.
I was watching that and I literally stop watching it because it pissed me off of what drew said. Like hold Trisha accountable as well
@@Slimurgical for real!! i know she lashed out and said awful things to you and you family BUUUUT you ever heard of boys will be boys? well Paytas will be Paytas so leave her be. lol
Keemstar has got to hold the record for the most common side character in CZcams. Dude is in everything
Like cockroaches
For real lol!
Tbf Ethan's beef with is way more nuanced, people who say they equally bad, concerns me
That's because he's an absolute parasite trying to latch himself onto everything to get views. Fuck him.
Yeah he’s a real snake.
Trisha always refrains from explicitly stating something. Instead she heavily implies something wich gives her an out when she gets confronted about the extremely obvious conclusion someone came to. And it gives her an opportunity to attack the person for "lying" and deflect blame because she never explicitly said those exact words.
Like "i never said you should fire them"
Yeah no you're right Trisha. You said you don't like them, you don't think they deliver good work, that you don't feel comfortable around them and that you want to hire new people. What other conclusion is anyone supposed to draw from that other than that you want to fire them?
trisha’s real superpower is the ability to find the loophole in every valid argument made against her
This shit is so common nowadays and it never ceases to piss me off. Either say with your chest or don't say it, quit being a pussy and half saying what you want and then get mad when people read into it
It's called gaslighting. Trisha is a master at gaslighting, and if you call her out on her bullshit she'll have a breakdown.
Actual child.
You don't know bpd, do you😂
jordan peterson type beat
1:22:28
trisha: "i think god is the biggest."
ethan: "ok, name one song he's made."
LOL. that's the best joke i've heard in a while.
It got a really loud; HA!! outta me.
Clowns usually find dumb jokes like that funny god is the biggest
LMAO fr
It literally made me yell outloud
I laughed out loud at that one
I love how some people are still very anti-Trisha and some are anti-Ethan but TRO comes out on the correct side of being anti-Dr. Drew
Agreed. Fake therapists using legitimate victims for financial gain is genuinely sickening. Lowest of the low. Healthy gamer GG as well.
Still Anti Trish even if I’m also Anti Dr Drew 🤷🏻♀️
@@endearmentthedoe1191 in anti-everyone involved.. so I always come out on top
@@antlerman7644 WHAT? Dr K is a Harvard-educated psychiatrist
@@luancosta199 he is Harvard-educated
I cannot describe how deeply uncomfortable the Dr. Drew segments make me as a psych grad student. Watching a person, without specified training, conduct an incredibly vulnerable session to be broadcast to millions is...scary, to put it lightly. His advice could potentially be dangerous, particularly when he chastises Ethan for not handling Trisha's splitting gracefully and the "bullying builds character" idea (that really just sounds like trauma bonding to me).
If it makes you feel any better, when the video cane out most everyone was shocked at how he conducted things so badly.
It doesn't soften how Dr. Drew is a walking violation of confidentiality.
If one of my psych professors saw him do this she'd *let* *him* *have* *it,* big time. That's grounds for a failing grade in her book.
Dr. Drew's less qualified to give therapy than Dr. Phil. Something to consider.
@@urbanarmory Good God that’s sad
bullying does build character, and tiktok is the best example of kids that haven't been bullied enough.
One of the craziest things to me about this entire thing is Ethans version of “The Bachelor/Bachelorette” has a higher success rate than the actual show
I guess it's because Ethan's team has a "somewhat" more genuine intention than the real show's does.
@@yolenda_loves_to_sing You guess... ? XD ofc it did
Just to be clear, you can go to therapy 4 days a week and still be a mess if you aren't making good changes in your life outside of therapy. Or, if your therapist isn't using the right type of therapy for you, or just isn't right in general.
You can also be a complete mess still after all that therapy, but still be a much easier to manage mess. Progress isn't linear and sometimes people have an unbelievably long way to go before they stop being messy.
Right but it's pretty evident that Trisha is not trying at all and is just basically playing victim
it's also unclear what kind of therapy she goes to. not every therapist is your fit and there's many different kinds of therapy. she could go to 7 sessions a week but never actually get anything done if she isn't working with her therapist/s and has the wrong type of therapy. the amount doesn't equal the quality
Yup. Had a psychologist treat my ADHD with cognitive behavioral therapy. Did. Not. Work. I'm now on meds and far better regulated.
Trisha has said she stopped going to therapy during COVID. She has also said she hasn't been diagnosed by a professional.
It's difficult to tell what's a lie because she so regularly contradicts herself.
Sadly it could be she was just saying she was in therapy to force others to sympathise and not push her.
She has also made comments about constantly changing therapists. Perhaps she's intentionally avoiding people who would cause her difficulty.
@@beardiemom idk where you from but in us, I've been to a lot of psychiatrists and like whatever nurses that do mental health stuff are called. They have all recommended dbt or group therapy and insurance stays not covering anything but cbt. I stg other types of therapy need to become more common. Because cbt is not that girl.
I find it hilarious that Ethan and Hila inadvertently set Trisha up with Hila's brother. Now they're married and have a child together. They'll never fully escape her.
But they do escape though, they don't make contact or ever talk about her in familiar way. Not going/not getting invited to the wedding was the greatest hint.
@@decoyheart218 That's true, but also not really escaping. They are now family, so if any family member of Hila's invites both of them to an event, one that they can't rightfully refuse, they are still stuck together in that space. Ofcourse you can just ignore them, but you never can guarantee that you won't be in any contact with them ever again. Its a very uncomfortable situation to be in.
them*
@@yulana990 they aren’t family if they don’t accept her as family. They just have a connection through hilas brother but that doesn’t mean they’re family. Also you can absolutely cut people off and never have contact with them again if you choose.
trisha uses they btw 👍👍 no shade
update: she goes by she/they now, point still stands that gross ppl r only using one of their two pronouns tho (not if it's unintentional obv)
“Don’t worry Ethan! Every time Trisha calls your wife awful names to your face and turns on you when you try to defend her, you’re strengthening your relationship. But only if you apologize after for not handling her aggression correctly.” Not a fan of either of these CZcamsrs, but OMG. That “doctor” shouldn’t be allowed around anyone with ANY issues PERIOD. God he really got to me. I don’t know how Ethan dealt with it.
I dont watch h3 i did years ago but havent for a while but even then i would rather have ethan around then trisha cause atleast ethan is brutality honest
@Claudia Dolce I didn’t say I hated anyone.
@Claudia Dolce except maybe the doctor.
@Claudia Dolce Starting to notice a trend of people saying stuff similar to you who take this tense stance out of nowhere... Are you baiting?
I've been saying Dr. Dbag is trash for years!! On teen mom he gave the WORST advice, and ALWAYS pushed the girls buttons then acted all "oh my, you're upset". He's a tv personality as far as I'm concerned, and nothing more. Even my mom years ago when she overheard me watching a early epsiode of the show was like "that man is horrible!"
This whole 5% thing can be solved by explaining that there is a difference between someone who acts as a producer versus Trisha who is the talent. There is a reason producers make more money on projects that earn profits - they paid for the production. Talent gets a fee for showing up, performing their role, and don't worry about the costs or logistics behind a production. I don't understand how this was so drawn-out and muddled in needless confusion.
Tricky when one party doesn’t listen.
Completely agree, but also a big point of the situation was that Trisha wanted to take a more active role in production- so even if they both agreed about the difference in how talent and production is paid, I think there would have been a lot of tension. Ethan didn't trust Trisha to have that more active role, and whether you agree with that or not Trisha was one half of the entire concept of this podcast- so in my opinion she is entitled to that.
All in all I think it was bound to fail at some point.
@@rebeccaquick7707 i really don’t think she was entitled to that at all. considering the fact he put in all of his own money into the show, paid the crew, the extra things they did just practically with how unreliable trisha is it would not have made any sense at all to give her a bigger role.
he was never sure when the show was going to end because of her. it was just doomed from the start, but realistically if you really have no actual stake in the podcast & can effectively walk away whenever you want & still reap the benefits, you’re entitled to what you are which is just the other half of the talent
@tlangeeful Ethan said that Trisha was really hard to get a hold of when it wasn't Monday and she specifically said don't bother me about the show on the weekends while they set up Sunday night, none of that screams she was super hyped for more responsibilities
@@kattatatatat6361 i know this
I think Trisha's biggest problem is they have zero idea what the term 'gaslighting' actually means. They use it way too liberally. Basically any time Ethan disagrees, they accuse him of gaslighting. That's not how it works. That's not what gaslighting is.
Actually now that I think about it, they use 'gaslighting' in the same way their best buddy Gabbie Hannah uses the phrase "narcicisstic abuse''. Birds of a feather and all that I suppose.
That word has lost all meaning. It's easily one of the most misused words in the last decade.
So… you‘re saying Trisha is using the word „gaslighting“ to gaslight others?
Its frustrating because when it comes to actual gaslighting and narcissistic abuse, aka from my parents, people will think Im making a big deal out of it/ lying because of people like them.
She knows exactly what the term gaslighting means, but uses it incorrectly on purpose-just like practically everyone under 35 does regularly.
Please Stop referring to Trisha as “they”
God the old clips from the dr drew episodes brought back a rage I buried. He really was pushing Ethan into such a victim blaming, isolated state all while acting like he’s a therapist. Ethan expressing something that genuinely hurts him and dr drew says “THATS NOT IMPORTANT” Ethan apologizing to Trisha for god knows why and dr drew says it sounds like he doesn’t mean it? Can’t believe Ethan didn’t have a breakdown after this. Being told trisha is doing her thing and it’s his job to work it out for her while avoiding hurting her in any way
Yeah it definitely regnitied the burning hatred I forgot I had for that man
I'll never understand how h3h3 got destroyed by this. Trisha was a monster. Ethan was cringe. Same with rice gum and gabble Hannah. Social media is a weird landscape now days.
I couldn’t watch these episodes at the time and it’s hard to watch the clips now. I have BPD and this is a terrible way to encourage friends and family to act around someone with the illness. Ffs, it’s not a pass to treat people like crap.
There’s this podcast I watch (“Where Should We Begin”) that features actual couples therapy by a real fucking therapist with identities of the patients kept anonymous. One thing that strikes me is that the therapist will NEVER demand that one person apologize or take blame / accountability for any actions. It’s more about communicating and gaining more insight into one’s partner so they know how to talk to them in the future. Dr. Drew is a straight CLOWN here.
It made me LIVID.
Thanks for talking about the Dr. Drew bs. Him giving therapy is the equivalent of a therapist giving medical advice. Ridiculous.
Yea, I should totally perform a tracheotomy, my Engineering degree says so
Why yes, I can definitely provide a burial service; I did construction for a few summers.
Psychiatrists do go to med school though
I think he just saw right through Ethans bs lol
@@tylerb5764 psychiatrists (in my experience and some others) would still be like, "I'm just here for your meds and symptoms, leave the rest of it for your therapist".
while mental illness isn’t someone’s fault, it IS their responsibility…. remember that kids.
Yes…mental illness is an explanation not an excuse
Sucks but it's true
Exactly. Going to therapy is one of the most responsible choices someone struggling can make. Instead of sitting on a kitchen floor in front of a camera lol.
I’m seeing so many people say Trisha is/was in love with Ethan and was very jealous of Hila. I agree she is jealous, but I disagree with WHY people think that. It was never about Ethan or Hila as individuals, but about what they represented. Ethan was seemingly the first man in her life who actually liked her as a person rather than using her for sex and then very publicly sneering at her. He treated her with respect and didn’t treat her as a blow up doll. Hila has a long and happy marriage, she has a career based on talent that has garnered her respect. People genuinely recoiled when men like Keemstar degraded her. Yes, people don’t LIKE it when men degrade Trisha but there is definitely an undercurrent of “Gross, but hey… It IS only Trisha.” And of course, Hila is classically beautiful. Trisha sees Hila as the woman she can never be and Ethan as the kind of man she can never attain. She viewed the crew as the general public who grew to love her but would never, ever respect her the way they do Hila. She was in love with what they symbolised, not Ethan personally.
thats deep
This is kind of armchair psychology about a person you don't know but it's entirely possible.
@kelseyj.c7828
"Hila is classically beautiful"
What? IMO Some people can see her as attractive and there's nothing wrong in that but c'mon, "classically beautiful" is too much.
@@pierdzioszek hila is fucking fine as hell dog
@@youseenednedisdead well ofc she is to some ppl, but I was talking abt puting it as a "clasically beautiful", just compare her with Gal Gadot, both are Israelis, and you'll see what I'm saying.
That doctor is basically teaching Trisha that the behavioral issues and irrational thoughts that go along with BPD are good and normal and should be catered to and validated. It’s the opposite of therapeutic and he’s doing her a huge disservice by fueling her abandonment issues and emotional outbursts.
Feelings do need to be validated w bpd. Catered to idk but to invalidate the feelings of someone w bpd you're fucking w a time bomb. That's why splitting happens.
This is why someone with BOD must be devoted to dialectical behavioural therapy. They must take personal responsibility for their emotional dis-regulation. It is not everyone else’s job to validate their emotional dis-regulation. They aren’t the only people who have emotional dis-regulation, but rather than take responsibility for it they constantly try to externalise it and make it everyone else’s problem.
ikr?? i have BPD and if my therapist ever even hinted at that I'm seeking a different specialist like?? hello??
Yeah, and as somebody who was misdiagnosed with BPD back in the day and went into therapy for it, that is not usually how it goes if your therapist knows what they’re doing.
Could be a form of malpractice, but it could also be Trisha lying and trying to justify her behavior while seeming credible.
Very well put! 👏
Watching Trisha break down while Ethan stares in complete drag get-up is just too funny.
I was thinking the same thing 😂
Honestly some of the funniest shit ive ever seen on the internet came from these two getting together and doing the frenemies show. It was an absolute train wreck all the way through but it was the funniest train wreck you will ever see.
The fact Trisha had fake facial hair added to it
It’s more sad than funny. I think it’s weird y’all think Trisha struggling with her mental health is funny.
@@quirkyblackenby Because its absurd to the point I cannot take it seriously. No one is laughing at her mental health collapsing 🙄
My brother had BPD and Trisha's behavior, going from 0 to full-on furious and insulting, is EXACTLY what he was like. The things that would set him off were hard if not impossible to pin down. One minute you'd be out to lunch having a pleasant conversation, literally the next minute he'd make a snide or sarcastic comment and accuse you of something out of the blue. It got to the point where you walked on eggshells around him, never knowing if and when he was going to turn on you, and sadly it led me to simply avoid him.
My brother is exactly the same and I've done the exact same thing. Sometimes you have to protect yourself regardless of who they're in your life.
@@Georgia-kf6pu It makes it difficult to care about someone properly. Not to be a downer, but in my case I have to use the past tense regarding my brother since his demons caught up with him, which made everything that much worse because then I felt incredibly guilty for avoiding him. Eventually I realized there was no fault to it, BPD just carries a heavy cost because it basically pushes everybody in your life away or forces them to live with the abuse, neither of which is fair. I understand that people with BPD can learn to adjust their behavior; I hope you and your brother eventually find a good balance.
While people with mental issues suffer and are misunderstood, rolling over for someone's bad behavior isn't the proper way to help. And adult with mental issues is still the one responsible for working on themselves and not causing harm to others.
Trisha has the the money and time to get treatment the rest of us can't afford, and still we accept all her manipulation, hateful words and lack of remorse, as if she's not responsible for her actions. It's very dangerous to accept someone's abuse because they can use their mental health as an excuse, instead of expecting respect. Ethan also has depression, it's not like he's untouchable.
@@kateginger I think she has too many enablers. They might even think they are doing good by her but in the long run the lack of clear boundaries is not a good environment for healing. Knowing the actual rules and being encouraged to follow them is a very helpful process in healing.
Entirely agree. I also suffer from BPD, but everything I do and say is ultimately MY fault. Dr Drew coming onto the podcast and telling Ethan that he is the cause of Trish acting out and being abusive towards him is a horrible message to put out to millions of people. She needs help, but she has also formed a career that makes money off of her behaviour, so she has little motivation to accept responsibility and change
Thank you Jesus christ as someone who deals with real health issues from a genetic disease ppl like this piss me off they could never deal with real pain or trauma trying almost dieing 3 times at 27 different times not including the 30 plus surgeries 50 plus broken bones like truly I've had drs tell me 3 times you have less of a chance of waking up than you do living ppl like this have no idea what it's like for ur family to deal with or for you to deal with it its insane my family has given up so much to help me to get back even a fucking wheel chair I've worked out everyday for 3 years while covid was going on if I get covid my ribs will collapse from coughing like ppl have no clue
She always talks about how she’s been in therapy her whole life etc whatever but like, therapy does absolutely nothing if you don’t recognize your own issues and look for ways to fix them. She probably goes to therapy and says “everyone is mean to me for no reason” she couldn’t even admit she’s a pathological liar, skirted around it “well I’m not lying about *this*” without answering the question
“But overtime I do think Ethan's intentions evolved, which I think is what made him so bitter at the end. I think he did care and I think he was embarrassed at himself for caring." Watching Ethan grow a soft spot for this unlikely friendship is what made this truly one of the most devastating breakups in CZcams history.
I think he was so bitter at the end because Trisha tried to ruin his life and his livelihood. She accused him of sexually harassing her and sexualizing her when truly it was her doing that to him
@@nunyabusinessllc and the antisemitism
@@AmethystEyes *Ethan everytime he gets mildly criticized*
"Aw look guys the racist and antisemities are out in full force"
I was on Trisha’s side at the end. He gaslighted and manipulated her so much and didn’t consider her feelings. I’m not defending Trisha’s actions but she was severely affected by the whole thing and practically the whole internet turning against her just made it worse.
H3 is garbage now. Change my mind.
As someone who's struggling to save up the money for Uni, seeing wealthy people moan about not having enough makes me want to smash my head into a wall.
It's a consolation, like some kind of karmic justice "fast money goes fast..."
Same 😭
Hey, it's comforting to know, that at least they're miserable too
@@noodlebrains2689 Exactly! Isn't that ironic, how we think rich people would be so happy, but they are actually sad? I guess money really can't buy happiness.
@@yolenda_loves_to_sing poor people are sad too. I hate when ppl say this dumb shit lmao
Honest to God I really hope Trisha can get the help she needs and make changes in her own life to manage her BPD better. It's not even funny to witness the outbursts and splits in any of the videos, it's concerning, and I never feel good after seeing them. I'm not excusing the bad behaviors but it is so obvious and so sad this is what the internet loves to egg on.
She has been that's why you've not seen any of her infamous kitchen floor breakdowns in a year.
Yep, Ethan LOVED using her for his own benefit and documenting her pain and self destruction for his own entertainment
@@beanybabyrabie I don't know that I would go that far because Trisha puts herself on display plenty on her own. He hides behind jokes, but I think it truly upset him when he fell out with Trisha and I think it upset him as well that he lost his relationship with Moses as well. Perhaps some things shouldn't have been put online, but Trisha herself has posted herself looking a lot worse than anything we saw on the Frenemies podcast (i.e. her crying on the kitchen floor video)
@@jaweiss34 it truly upset him because he was losing his greatest asset for money which is trisha.
@@jaweiss34
She's spewing her BS as never before 🤦
Spending countless hours away from home EVERY DAY and her (miracle baby) going to Starbucks for coffee and doing stupid mukbangs, stuffing her face and talking really stupid and pointless crap and then proceeds to go through the same drive thru again before heading...
She's seriously mentally immature and, BTW I haven't followed her for years like countless people and I certainly don't do Tik-Tok Instagram, and those other platforms she uploads to DAILY, however in the short period I have watched her on the CZcams channels because she was the person I chose to follow and learn about as my case study for Psychology courses.
Wow! So much to say analytically.
However this so-called 'NEW' and 'improved' Trisha she's enthusiasticly professed to be is another subject altogether.
Granted, she hasn't been seen balling hysterically on a kitchen floor in a while, however she's still playing victim and literally lying, and being called out for lying with proof even as of today.
I'm just going to end this text by saying, I can honestly say that she's deeply troubling and the thousands of people with either genuine concerns or even disdain for this woman have validity with their opinions.
PS. I could have gained a lot more material had I went on Reddit sooner as I have discovered a huge community of people who do their own homework based on facts and proof by calling TP out on her hypocrisy and lies (and the disgusting, unsavory) thing's she's posted herself on many platforms for 16 year's.
This coming out right before I had planned to clean my entire apartment was an act of god.
Same lol, I started cleaning my apartment, saw this, and grabbed my headphones
not me finally deciding to finally do the same when seeing this
Literally me except it was before a long shift at work
How did it go?
Omg another Emmaline! Also literally same
Dr Drew continuously blaming Ethan for being affected by Trisha's outbursts is horrendous. While they both have issues, Ethan's reactions are just that- reactions. Just as in the moment Trisha can't hold back her feelings, Ethan can't.
When those therapy videos were uploaded a lot of the commenters suspected that Dr. Drew might follow Trisha on onlyfans lmao
@@Assimandeli That would make sense lmaoo
Come on. We all know Dr Drew is a hack. But lets not use it to justify Ethans behavior. He knew Trisha was unstable, and that the outbursts were a huge reason a lot of people tuned in. He was absolutely profitting from it, while pleading ignorance. The fact that they even had Dr Drew on there proves he knew it was an issue and was exploiting it for memes and views. If anything, Dr Drew was giving Ethan a heads up and saying, "you know her behavior, and keep willingly having a show with her, what do you expect the outcomes to be?" No one was forcing Ethan to continue the podcast other than his pockets. He willfully allowed his private family drama to play out in the public while his wife was pregnant, because of views. It was Ethans idea, as explained at the start of this video. He reached out to her, he wanted to create the podcast eith her, fully aware of her history and how she is. They are both gross individuals who yearn for attention and views.
@@YerpDerp17 I agree. Trisha is horrible, but Ethan is no saint either. He even made fun of the DO5 child abuse victim in one video, giggling and joking that he would become a school shooter.
@@YerpDerp17 uhhh trisha and Ethan for a good while had a good relationship. You gotta admit some moments show them having good chemistry. To put it on ethan saying the only reason he's doing this is to get more money and knowingly profit off of the drama is simply untrue. The outbreak moments were never supposed to be posted, until trisha literally herself said to post them.
As someone with bpd I cannot believe the advice Dr Drew is giving Ethan… this is so cruel! Just take it? Splitting is hell and I feel for Trish but that doesn’t erase the impact of what she’s saying and doing. I feel really disappointed in this episode, it could have been so insightful and progressive had a properly qualified therapist been involved. I promise many of us borderlines are working very hard to be the best we can 🙌
Well said
True. She's not though. She's just a terrible person who coincidentally has BPD.
I relly personally doubt she even has BPD just because like she has lied about having So Much Bullshit over the years. if you added it all up you would think she is the spongebob character comically wrapped head to toe in bandages who breaks their bones every morning and screams themself to sleep every night so it just becomes so hard to take her word for stuff that even might be true. It is the classic case of lying so much people dont even trust your truth
Yup. I wrote a very long post on that. Mental illness, is not an excuse. I don't think that having a therapy session on camera, would have resulted in any kind of proper resolution. To my knowledge, BPD is massively exasperated when large amounts of audience are present. The only way to really do it, is to do it privately. With a therapist, who is not afraid to challenge, when the illness pops its head up, AND, when the person in question, is taking the piss. You know? I get that you are working hard, as am I, with CPTSD, and psychosis, right? I know when to call it. When to step away. And I'm sure, you yourself, will agree, that there were plenty of times where she could have recognised what was happening, and said: "...OK, crap. I'm having an episode, or about to have one. Guys... this.. is a mental health emergency day, I'm sorry. I can't do this today."
Sadly, with her being a celebrity, I don't think she will recover. There's too much going on, and too many people tuning in to see the 'freakouts'. The only way she'll do that, is to take a LOT of time away, and really work on herself. Really work hard, dig deep. But, she is 'rewarded' by views for her episodes, so, there's no real reason for her to stop, or change.
@@D_YellowMadnessthere’s literally no way to know if someone is doing the work or not unless you are Trisha’s therapist
This feels like a show where most of the characters are villains.
Or stuck circa 2016...
It's like an unfunny directionless episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
@@D_YellowMadness I don't know, two people having a serious fight about their relationship while fully dressed up as fictional characters sounds like a really funny episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
The thing that always irritates me is that Ethan is expected to care for Trisha because she has mental health issues, but Ethan is not afforded the same care despite also having mental health issues (including depression and anxiety for which he took medication). It was all on him to cater to her, according to Dr. Drew.
notice how u could say that about anyone. i read up recently how some narcissists get wise to this phrase and start saying "i have to walk on eggshells around u" to their victims.
@@leahmeriwether2995 did we watched the same frenemies ?? You are either insane or purposefully ignorant for suggesting Trisha is a victim.
Edit: from the looks of your previous comments you are insane
@@leahmeriwether2995 soo, because ethan brought up an, in this case valid point, but phrased it in a way that some article you read refenced as a sign of narcissism now ethans feelings are unvalid and hes narcissistic? great logic there
@@leahmeriwether2995 Damn, notice how you could use that to dismiss the victims that say the same thing. Recently I heard a narcissist call their victim a narcissist for saying that they walk on eggshells around them. Crazy shit man
@@leahmeriwether2995 your a narcissistic
These are going to keep getting longer and longer until eventually he releases a video that takes an entire day to watch.
I mean, his video covering Nikocado took me two days to watch. Not that TRO was hard to watch. But the source material used was so grating.
For the sake of all who work on these videos _including_ the main man himself, I sincerely hope they never get that long 😬
And we're still gonna be here, listening to him talking for a day and a half
Haha poor TRO. Knowing the CZcams algorithm, he’s gonna tank if he dares to post a video any shorter than 4 hours after this (kidding, probably).
*year lol
I find it so telling of how Dr. Drew really did not help them. Like, at all. He quite literally perpetuated the very thing that ultimately broke the podcast apart, which was Ethan's unease with deescalating Trisha's moments, and also simultaneously perpetuated Trisha's confusion. With BPD, at least for me, when I'm having an episode, I need people to a) give me space. I need time and space to actually get back to a place where I'm thinking rationally. But also, with that, b) I need someone to be clear and direct with me. Especially since being confused/frustrated is an immediate trigger for me that will send me straight into an episode because, well, confusion slips into frustration, and frustration snaps to blinding anger. Lol. But I've gotten to the point where I've worked on myself enough to know when someone is trying to be my anchor and grounding me back to reality. I'll still need the time and space if I'm amidst an episode, but if this is the moments before, it can help avoid it in its entirety.
Obviously we don't have every single little detail, but I think Ethan being left unsure as to how to appropriately anchor Trisha and their moments, and the lack of communication between them (even though they did try to be open with each other) really was what hindered their friendship. And Dr. Drew quite literally seemed to just want to sabotage any attempts at learning how to be an anchor, and learning how to have a clear line of communication to avoid frustration.
I can’t believe Dr Drew got it so wrong ! Like during the holiday episode, I totally understood why everything went south. Trisha clearly loves Hila. She freaked out because she thought they had a good bond only to realize that Hila doesn’t think the same way. She also was not taught self regulation, which is why it escalated so bad. Ethan also didn’t do anything wrong! They just needed a better counselor to actually get to the root of the problem.
in my opinion Moses is the real villain in this story. he was clearly playing both sides and saying one thing to trisha and another to ethan and hila. which then made trisha think she was being gaslit by ethan and made ethan look at trisha as a liar
If that’s the case (and this is a very reasonable assumption) then Trisha is definitely being gaslit. I also don’t get why people aren’t madder at him. He had to have known that his sister and brother in law don’t really like her.
Do you have literally any reason to think that?
Edit: Y'know now that I'm reading this again this feels kinda antisemitic, like all the "Jewish people secretly control everything" conspiracy theories, but on a smaller scale.
source- it came to me in a dream
@@ellaartenstein853 dude what he just said moses is being a bastard which could be true why sacrifice either relationship when you can turn them on each other and sit in the back vibing as they ignore you being involved at all
@@YEETUSDAFEETUS But why would anybody want that? He didn't benefit in any way. You people just want someone to blame instead of Trisha or Ethan.
"You shouldn't take offense when someone is just talking".
The fact that that was said towards Ethan and not Trisha is giving me whiplash
textbookkkk projection
I have BPD. I have always found Trisha relatable in many situations, aswell as identifying with a lot of their behavior aswell as triggers. BPD doesnt make you a bad person, but we are unfortunately prone to toxic approaches aswell as paranoid thinking.
Watching this was very eyeopening. It's hard watching someone discuss your reactions and behavior that ultimately most of the time stem from some form of trauma, because in trying to protect ourselves we a lot of the time end up hurting people around us, and it's horrifying coming face to face with someone doing the same and just seeing how drastically it affects their lives and realize you have been doing the same for so long.
Change is scary and this was a hard watch, but I'm glad I did.
Ergghhh I hate that BPD is ever used as an excuse for terrible behaviour. I have BPD and can testify that it’s not a reasonable excuse for unreasonable behaviour
went from "abuser disorder" to gaining some support in advocacy, to abusers using it as an excuse, whether they have it or not. mfers really ALWAYS ruin it for the rest of us.
As a therapist I hate it so much! Especially bc with therapy and treatment, individuals with BPD can thrive and break out of patterns that are damaging to themselves and/or the people around them. I always tell people that mental illness diagnoses can be an explanation but (99% of the time) should not be used as a justification for someone’s behavior, especially when it harms someone else. We can recognize why someone is acting the way they are and empathize with them without condoning their actions.
@@amyeddelman Yesss. I was stuck in a relationship where I let myself get hurt because I didn't want to abandon someone for their mental illness. I feel like there are some communities that downplay how hurtful someone with untreated BPD can be, and after being exposed to some of that "don't leave them they can't help it" I guilt tripped myself into staying. It got to the point I became toxic just to cope with being told I was ugly and how much they wanted me to die every time they got paranoid I didn't love them. It was so exhausting and excruciatingly painful to be the favorite person and hope I didn't act out of line and send them spiraling to hurt me or themselves. I now know there are a lot of people with BPD who not only do everything they can do to get help, but hold themselves responsible for their hurtful actions. I still try my best to be understanding but also very firm on boundaries with everyone in my life regardless of mental illness because I've learned I owe that to myself
A person using their disorder as an excuse for acting like an asshole *while they're doing it* is like if you told a blind person there was a puppy in front of them but they stepped on it anyway & then kicked it multiple times & when you criticized them for it, they said "I'm blind!".
The fact they are now related is just so chaotic
They are not related. Her daughter is related to Hila and their kidds.
@@b1k2q34 They are related. Ethan is now Trishs bother in law.
That's not how that works. They are legally a family, but they don't suddenly share DNA.
@@b1k2q34 they are definitely related, not blood related. But related.
@@Chikorita2Chante no one said they are suddenly sharing DNA. You still call your in laws and people who marry into your family your relatives. Related/relatives covers both by blood and by marriage
Treatment for BPD and any other personality disorder is working to recognize your responsibility in how you react to your triggers. Not clinging to learned helplessness is very important, so no, Ethan and his crew did not have a greater responsibility to Trisha than Trisha has to herself.
Not sure on her whole mental health or whatever, but maybe it's more than BPD. Narcassism or sociopathy could be an issue there too, she is just so manipulative. Not a fan of Ethan either, these are just two people who have their own faults that should've never been brought together. I guess it is fascinating in a sort of trashy way that reality tv is, but then again I guess that is what most people come here to watch anyways.
From someone who also has BPD, I 100% agree with you!
Exactly. “I have a mental illness thus I am helpless to how I treat those around me” is NOT it. Coming from someone with a psychiatric disability, I’ve had to learn a whole new way of thinking. Teaching myself to view situations that I find upsetting from a objective point of view and not to let my emotions take over
The best thing Trisha could do for their mental health is to get off the Internet.
Yup, getting officially diagnosed was a relief, because I was then able to be honest with myself that *I* have to do the work, and it will be lifelong.
Mental illnesses can be, imo, explanations for our behaviors/actions but NOT excuses. (And I say this as someone who’s been clinically diagnosed with several disorders.)
Honestly having studied contract law I can tell you the destruction of most business partnerships comes from not having clearly defined the roles before signing. So Trisha thought if they behaved correctly they would earn more right to make production decisions and Ethan thought it was understood that the podcast was under his production company’s umbrella. If they had come to an agreement in writing before the show began and they signed acknowledging their responsibilities and roles (for instance Trisha’s being explicitly defined purely as talent and not required to make production decisions) it might have prevented the whole thing from stopping. That 5% bugged them so much it really seemed to be the impetus that caused the thing to blow up and it could have been dealt with before the entire thing began.
She's talked about needing to control partners with money. She also kept agreeing to things with Ethan but then 180-on him and making out like he had wronged her. I really think she was just lashing out and expressing abusive patterns. Ethan was right to hold his ground.
She at one point was given half of memberships to h3. A ridiculous deal for something she did barely any work for. Presumably a concession to stop her kicking off. But no deal was good enough, she was always going to complain because she wanted to control the show and Ethan.
I laughed when she accused a dead teacher of SA and said Google him everyone and people did and she threw a fit when people called her out for her lies about a dead person. Shes unbelievably awful
It's funny how she wouldn't try googling him first herself, before making that comment.
Imagine thinking it's an insult to tell someone they've been with the same partner for 12 years lmao
literally how is “you’ve been able to get the same beautiful woman, a woman that could have anyone she wanted, to want to stay with you for 12 years” an insult?
That’s some bragging rights right there! 😂
Because Trisha is trash
She also told them to have fun on their vacation getting room service and trying to get pregnant. She would be doing the same thing not even one year later
@@nunyabusinessllc I remember watching that at the time and thinking that it sounded like a great weekend 😂
I was so fucking upset by the Dr Drew episodes, I'm so glad you zeroed in on how problematic it all was. My wife has quite severe BPD and I couldn't imagine treating her with such an infantilising attitude and rolling over in the face of harmful behaviour while acting like it's totally okay. Trisha and Ethan got advice that hurts everyone involved.
THIS!!! If my boyfriend was this way, no way we would work. we’ve lived together 3 years but if he treated me this way we would’ve broken up a long time ago
Do you happen to have advice for dealing with a s/o with BPD? I have BPD, and my boyfriend is so kind and I try to be honest about what I think I need, but I also don't want to accidentally hurt him in any way and it's a genuine fear I have, that I won't be able to stop myself. I would absolutely appreciate any advice you have, given you've been able to navigate a relationship with someone with bpd
@@kaitlyngallegos3792 communication is always the key. Constant communication before and after negative situations. It can be very difficult to know exactly what's going to happen and impossible while things are going badly in the moment.
I think you have to know yourself as much as possible and give as much heads up as you're able to. Debriefing afterwards is the most important thing. What happened, what you could have done better, what your partner could have done to help the situation, etc.
Another primary important thing is to always keep trying yourself. You'll fuck up, probably a lot, but never stop trying. Your partner will notice that you're trying, especially during debriefs.
I hope things work out, it can be a huge amount of work. Keep trying. Communicate.
@@fionaskittle This advice definitely works if the person who has it is not only aware but that *they* are also trying. I had to end a 3 year close friendship with a girl who has bpd. Because I naturally have boundaries and when she's triggered (even as far as triggering herself) she'll latch onto any painful events of yours or make shit up and weaponize them in an attempt to "defend" herself or her views. Or do it at any small single notion that makes her feel like she'd be abandoned. The relationship became as toxic as the atmosphere of fuckin Venus and from *her* end. Dragging in other people close to me just to insult them too (even dead relatives that I was close to holy fuck) and just..ugh. Obviously I know not everyone who has that illness is that way but it has taught me for better or for worse that I, as the individual who doesn't have it, don't need to be the only one trying. Just speaking from my own experience here.
@@hinachan70 Clearly this person is aware as they were asking for advice AS the person with BPD. Your experiences are valid, but being "beyond help" and inherently toxic etc is something a lot of BPD people are terrified of... venting your personal problems w someone w BPD in response to someone who has BPD asking for advice is rude and hurtful and perpetuates that.
Trisha adding the pink to her fettuccine Alfredo and us not getting to see her mix it upset me 😂😂😭
Underrated comment
Not to mention she used the whole damn bottle of food dye
i just want to let you know, this 4 hour video has prevented a major panic attack over the past 3 days… i’ll watch it when i feel triggered and then pause it when i start to feel better. i’m reaching the end and the background music is so calming. i’m not sure if “thank you” is the right thing to say, but i do really appreciate this video. it’s helped me take my mind off of things, calm down a bit and refocus my mind. so thanks?i don’t think that this was your intention but it truly has helped me recently ❤
poop.
I think my main issue with Ethan's Instagram vs reality is that he was mocking the wrong aspect of it. I think showing the difference between the pics was great and could have been used to send a really helpful message, but he then mocked the reality pictures when I think it would have been better for him to mock the Instagram pics.
Exactly! Erupting into cackles at Tana for having a tiny little belly, what's funny about that? She's a perfectly normal looking woman. The laughable aspect is the ridiculous facetuned/photoshopped posts, edited to the point of her now having a completely different face and body to the point of "who's that?"
But Ethan's focus wasn't really on mocking Instagram during that segment. He was mocking the people in the photos and taking enjoyment from putting them down. Instagram vs Reality has been around for a while, and in certain ways the concept can be spun in a really good direction. Ethan, however, made something nasty.
heavy agree
Yeah, he ends up proving the point on why women photoshop their pictures to begin with.... which is the fear that people will call them whales, open casket monsters etc. It'd be way funnier if he had talked about the insta pics in my opinion, everybody on instagram looks like an oversized bratz doll nowadays, they're all supposed to have a dump truck of an ass and huge boobs but also be "slim thick". It ended up coming out as a personal assault against those women in my opinion, like they're the ones who invented this culture, instead of being unfortunate byproducts of it, and most likely deeply insecure of their bodies in the first place.
@@claraprado5401 He sucks
Always remember: Watching videos like this may take hours, but _making_ them takes several purgatory sentences.
Seriously good point there.
Point noted.
Listening to it while doing college assignments makes everything fly by. I love the long uploads and appreciate the work he puts into it!
@@dummythiccsushi1907 literally am finishing an essay while watching rn LOL
Geez I didn't look at the time stamp before this comment.
You know for someone who's constantly calling people out for gaslighting Trisha is a master at gaslighting
I've noticed she uses projection a LOT
She is used to conforming to abusers . Same. No one believes them and they want things to be normal because the reality makes them uncomfortable
"Ethan takes 5% from the show and 100% from the highlights so 105%" trish invented math
She's been doing mathamphetamine
I cause that too 😂 actually unintentionally hilarious, especially because no one questioned her on it
I don't care what the CZcams algorithm wants shorter videos, I am here for the 4+ hours of content and Susan can fight me
Right its so hard to find long good videos atleast tro is here with perfect length videos
And ME
i'm p sure that long form content is what youtube is pushing. that's pretty much the issue animation channels were trying to fight. 4 hours is a lot but most of the videos I get recommended are between 15-45 minutes. Susan is anti-shorter videos. not to be confused with Shorts TM. she is very pro those
@@Cumdown I avoided giving a specific length since it heavily depends on the topic, general audience, and whatnot but yeah. Those are indeed the commonly accepted most important metrics and the point is that shortening content isn't really the target to shoot for and hasn't been for a good while now.
I AM 100% FOR AND WILL NOT STAND FOR DIMINISHING THE LONGFORM VIDEO-- CZcams is the last safe haven of longform content; it must be protected.
Dr Drew is legitimately a horrible and unethical “therapist” like no couples therapist would ever 1. Encourage toxic behaviors and 2. Be so biased in session!
Trisha couldn’t have been reasoned with in a public space like the podcast. It would’ve been the end way earlier had a real therapist provided input. Ethan probably could’ve had that insight, but Dr. Drew L for sure
Dude doesn't believe in female orgasms. Case closed.
Unfortunately most relationship counselors do blindly side with the woman no matter how toxic
That was not a therapy session. It’s a podcast session…
@@spicewiener7767 It was cool of all the therapists to share their methods and experiences with you. Must've done some major networking to make that connection
Everyone be fighting for their sides meanwhile I’m sitting here like: 😐 omg I can’t believe I just watched a 4 hour documentary on Trisha and Ethan. I have way to much time on my hands.
Bro. It’s crushing to watch Trisha get super defensive when she feels rejected. Or triggered into a shame spiral.
Trisha “ I shouldn’t work with family
Also Trisha “ why can’t I hire my sister”
She just speaks in the moment and doesn’t think
so what? hila is evil and ethan is a vile pig
A Girlboss
@@fanrosefabrose9457 hope this is satire
@@ArizonaAkinTv not in the slightest, Trisha invented the new grindset
@@fanrosefabrose9457 Trisha didn’t invent anything.
If you think I’m going to sit here for four hours and watch this video…you are absolutely correct.
Yeah. How dare he provide me with this content? The bastard knows I'm going to watch it.
Lmao there’s quite a few unnecessary clips left in for long periods of time… I’m guessing he really needs our watch time so good thing you’re here
It saddens me a little bit, because I feel like the video of her crying shortly after Ethan's post-wedding rant reminds me a little of myself. You know that she's spent every waking moment since it happened scrolling through social media and stewing in herself, and her video of her crying is her moment. She relishes in her unhappiness, anxiety, and the perception that she's been wronged. There's a part of me that relates to that. The lack of self awareness however is what is so concerning.
I never liked Drew to begin with, but him telling Ethan he just needed to suck it up while coddling and excusing the behavior of a clearly unmedicated person with bpd is absolutely horrifying. my oldest child is bpd and refused to take meds and I remember being clearly gaslit by therapist after therapist in much the same way. she continued to refuse to see the chaos she created and after years and years of trying to salvage it, our relationship eventually fractured beyond repair. it's heartbreaking. regardless of people's feelings about Ethan, seeing him try to deal with Trisha gave me so much ptsd, I was barely able to finish the vid.
Was there a reason they refused meds? I know someone who has BPD who also refuses meds... I don't know if it's common for bpd or situational. 😕
@withlove2963 the only thing I can think of is because they truly don't see any issues with their behaviors. if you don't see a problem, then why would you take anuthing.. when my daughter was medicated with something that worked for her, it was amazing and wonderful to have my kiddo back, but since she thought she was fine and everyone and everything was the problem, she didn't stay on it, and everything fell apart.
@queenneen13 That sucks, I'm sorry 😕 I know it's common for people who have schizophrenia to stop taking their meds after awhile because they think they're better, but I'd never heard anything about BPD patients not taking meds until recently. Is your daughter doing any better?
Based on my nurse experience, I think one of the reasons people quit psych meds is the side effects--brain fog, weight gain, involuntary movements (like moving your tongue around repeatedly), no sex drive/impotence, fatigue, etc. Not all psych meds do all of this, of course, but one or two of these can be a deterrent.
@petrosinella Aren't you supposed to just find different meds then? That's what I did, if I didn't like the side effects I talked to my doctor about a different option.
As someone with pretty severe mental illness I've always made it very clear that I believe mental health can be a part of the reason for something but NEVER an excuse
VERY well said.
Same. Your apology can be sincere but your acceptance of fault must be equally sincere. You can't offer an apology without accepting guilt.
I completely agree! No matter the cause of motive behind your actions, there will always be consequences that we should consider. Everyone makes mistakes and forgiveness is important but you can't expect people to automatically forgive you or walk on eggshells around you because of your illness or disability. Sorry I'm rambling lol I have a lot of strong opinions on the matter
Explanation, not excuse.
@@BartimaeusTrilogyFan YES! very well said
However how fucking ridiculous is it that Trisha begs Ethan and Hila to leave her alone when when Charlie DiMilio asked her to do the same Trisha said that she was on the internet and should be prepared to take it.
Because Trisha is all about "All the rules for thee but not for me"
@@Shadywolf09 Because Trisha is not a good person. They show that time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again
And then how she freaks out when Ethan says Hila asked not to be talked about
I don't find it ridiculous at all. Ethan and Hila taught Trisha this lesson. When Trisha cried saying they were hurt and that it was mean, they were told exactly what they then told Charlie. Why is it surprising that Trisha would "teach" the exact lesson to another creator as they were once taught?
she did the same w gabbie hanna too lol
Watching Ethan struggle with his false eyelashes is highly relatable
😂😂😂
Why isn't Ethan offered the same patience and understanding as Trisha?
It feels like she can say and do anything, and use her get out of jail free card. Can Ethan ever misstep or have an off day?
It's a 'She', that's how.
@@sannyassi73 can we not be misogynistic and acknowledge that trisha's personality, disorder, and habits give people a preconceived notion of how they'll act? ethan does not have bpd, and while he's certainly not a black or white character, people expect him to be the calm one when placed next to trisha. absolutely not defending trisha's actions, but there's more nuance to why people feel sympathetic towards them than "man bad"
@@sal-my1id no, it is in fact misandry or even anti semetic. So many vile things have been said to ethan including stereotyping him as a jew. Trisha has been educated time and time again, and continues to still do all of her bullshit. As stated by others here who also have BPD, its not an excuse to act trashy, they dont do it , but trisha uses it as a shield. Shes just a trashy person. Its not her bpd
@@terraguttierez2996 ur trolling too hard im laughing
@@zoenut trisha apologist right here^
A 4 hour documentary on drama I’ve already seen hours worth of content on? Hell yeah
fr
the fact that trisha is ethan's children's aunt and that ethan is trisha's child's uncle must be very weird for them
Trisha’s best troll
@@alfobootidir2474 one troll to rule them all
Gatherings finna be interesting
Thats why Hila is so adamant on not talking about them. must be stressful 😭
What?
As someone who was somewhat familiar with H3, Trisha, and Frenemies without watching any of their content regularly, this presentation really cemented what I thought was the case as a passive consumer. This is a great video, and I appreciate its content allowing me the opportunity to be more dialed in. Thank you for providing this.
These people didnt need a podcast, they needed strong boundaries with each other.
Dr Drew’s take on the relationship dynamic between Ethan and Trisha is infuriating. Though he makes a fair point that Ethan needs to be more aware of how he confronts Trisha on certain topics that may be triggering to them, it is not his responsibility to manage Trisha’s behaviors, emotions and reactions. Though we cannot always manage our reactions and emotions in the moment, it is the responsibility of the person with the mental health disorder to learn and develop the right coping mechanisms to help themselves manage their own behaviors and know how to minimize triggers. As psychologists, we are taught how to help clients develop proper coping mechanisms that they can use long term to help themselves grow and manage their behaviors. It infuriates me that Dr Drew is completely ignoring Trisha’s lack of accountability in their own actions as not only is this harmful to their growth but it also enables any future maladaptive behaviors Trisha may have.
on top of it, as someone with bpd, i find him to handle it well whenever he sends her to leave or quiet down. He acknowledges that she's triggered and in the midst of an episode and being sent away and to sulk alone in a corner usually tends to help alot of us, cause it gives us the time to reflect. Pushback only makes it worse. Dr Drew saying he handles it bad and should just "let her do it" is absolutely the worst thing to do and I'm always glad when the people in my personal life leave or send me away and then explain their actions later. Ofc BPD is not a hivemind, but this guy is absolutely angering me with how much he enables it and would inevitably make her disorder worse and help her justify that everyone elswe but her is wrong!
@@DeepSlumber is that our beloved prince on your profile picture?
@@DeepSlumber
Someone else with BPD here!
I completely agree, and while being pushed away is intensely terrible for me personally, there is a middle ground between shoving a splitting person away and completely bending over to let them have their tantrum. That in itself is insanely destructive because it reinforces the bad behaviors. So yeah, you are 100% with the part that Dr. Drew fucked up big time. He clearly only had a basic understanding of how to handle this particular disorder and I would argue he probably made things worse in the long run by putting the weight of their relationship squarely on Ethan. Such a shame, too. If they sought proper counseling with a professional trained to handle a case like this specifically maybe things would not have ended the way they did...
@@paramitadutta20 hehe yes
@@DeepSlumber i knew!!
When you see/listen to Trisha’s mother and sister you kindof realise why/how she ended up like this tbh.
Yeah, her whole family is a mess. I believe what she says about her childhood being unstable, that much is obvious from her issues in adulthood and... well, from looking at her family.
Yeah but as an adult you’re able to change yourself, to self actualise, to reflect and better yourself from what you were born into. She doesn’t so that’s actually a very low IQ statement you made.
@@farqueue001 i began to read your comment and thought “yes, they are so right, but when I reply I’ll elaborate further on what I meant by my comment and we’ll have a productive conversation!” until I got to the part where you insulted my observation by calling it a “low IQ statement”, which is sad, because I thought you had good intentions at the beginning of your comment, up until that point
@@LittleHwangO It's becoming a trend in these comments I noticed that people are hostile without reason. You'd think more of the TRO audience would be more up for productive conversation. I'm starting to believe a lot of these people aren't here for the video and got lost. I apologize you were denied an engaging discussion.
For your trouble, I'd like to provide some of my own insight. People are very much able to change themselves as adults for sure. I will say however on the contrary that behaviors and lifestyles you grow up around and are exposed to are hard to kick for some people. I for instance was raised in a household where I was punished for my failers, even if it was unfair. This led to me constantly holding myself to a standard that I wasn't allowed to fail or screw up at anything, even burning a piece of toast was unacceptable.
Now, I've personally done some self reflections over the course of a decade to get out of this mindset that I am allowed to be a human being and make a mistake. I'm a lot happier for it. There will be days however where I slip and make a big deal out of nothing again.
It's good if one can better themselves and rise above an issue in their life, but it's also unfair to expect that someone won't also slip back into old habits. For me personally, this is where it's good to have people in your life. They're there to support you and to also hold you accountable for your behavior. Not only can I be better for myself, but I can be better for them too. Because I care about being the best me for them.
I hope that helped, maybe even renewed your belief that there are some sensible people in these threads. Your IQ is very adequate as far as I'm concerned, and I hope your day/evening is a wonderful one friend.
@@SotheX thank you so much for the thoughtful and detailed reply!
This is the sort of discussion I was hoping to have!
I truly feel for your situation. It is hard to grow up in an environment that “sets you up” a certain way (and in Trisha’s case, enables her behaviour and reactions) but to truly reflect and make positive changes in the future, and I’m so glad you were able to reflect in such a way.
Never feel bad for “slipping up” on old behavioural patterns, when you’ve been surrounded by people who intentionally try to cause you to have those reactions it’s a hard cycle to break.
The key was surrounding yourself with people who won’t enable, or intentionally try to push you to that point, and you did that by getting yourself a good support system that will hold you to account when you feel too lost to hold yourself accountable!
Everyone slips up from time to time, but you have a grip on it and you can see yourself in real time beginning to slip into those old behaviours and that’s amazing, self awareness is the only way to break old habits and behaviours!
Just to give context to what I meant in my original comment, Of course as adults we can choose to make changes to our behaviour BUT you have to become self aware of that behaviour first (and then take steps like you did - distance yourself from those who cause/enable such behaviour, take time to realise the impact those behaviours have, surround yourself with people who hold you accountable etc) but Trisha has gone through friend group (and boyfriend) after another, and the only constant seems to be those (her mother and sister) who display and enable the same bad behaviour she’s displayed in the past.
As far as I can see Trisha isn’t ready to self actualise or reflect, and she will never become a better person while surrounding herself ONLY with those who display the same behavioural patterns, but that’s what seems safer to her, because the idea of having to reflect, take accountability and change is way too scary for some people - so they end up sticking to people, and a life, that’s “comfortable” and “familiar”.
That was all I meant by my original comment and had that commenter just asked me to give context to, or elaborate, on what I meant (instead of basically just saying I’m dumb lol) I would have been able to provide that context.
I’m happy you’re doing much better in life now friend, and remember that you’re a human being, and as simple and cliche as it sounds, most of us are out here just trying our best and mistakes/drawbacks are inevitable but (excuse the profanity lol) you sound like you’ve got your shit together (even if you doubt yourself and think otherwise) and I wish you all the best in life ♥️
Therapists like Dr. Drew allowed my BPD mother to ruin three marriages and then walk away believing she was the only victim. She needed tools and constructive criticism in order to repair her relationship with her kids and spouse- not validation. Therapists that are not qualified to help BPD personalities should not take BPD patients, as their uninformed validation only makes things worse.
Even if dr drew were specialized and licensed as a therapist, why do you think a therapist would be on the job 24/7 even on a CZcams podcast?
ask Kati Morton 💀 why does anyone do anything? usually money unfortunately
Dr Drew can eat a bag of turds. You are not OBLIGATED to manage and endure someone's disordered behavior. That's on the person to manage. You can try to be understanding but it's 100% valid to have your limits and boundaries. Suggesting otherwise just gives Trish no incentive to actually stay up on her meds and therapy and self discipline.
He is such a scam!!! He is an internist(!!!) who is NOT trained in anything psychological. It's like going to your dentist for psychotherapy. Noone in their right mind would do that
He is such a charlatan. He literally wrongly defined splitting in BPD. It’s like he didn’t even read the Wikipedia article
Exactly whats the point of therapy and meds if your being given the advice that its on other people to validate youre mood swings and outbursts. The whole point of therapy is to help you manage issues yourself and not count on other people to handle you with very careful gloves, its on you to try and stop from doing outbursts and keep your emotions in check not the rest of the world
Exactly!
My favorite quote about mental health, that's helped me a lot, is:
"It's not your fault, but it _is_ your responsibility."
- Marcus Park
As someone starting the road for training to become a therapist, the things that "Dr" Drew is saying are what the first things we learn you should never say. He made the problems 10x worse.
congrats :) i am too! and yeah like i finished the first parts of my training recently and it just gets worse and worse the more you know lol
Mental health is full of corrupt people like Drew... it's not a few bad apples. The entire system needs reform. Glad I don't interact with it anymore.
Taken me over a month to finish this but I can now say well done mate, great work by all involved
Note to self: Never order pizza on a podcast
Or dress as Fester
@@BreMue and take that 5%
@@KIKIKO84 he does take that 5%.
Ethan and Brittany Broski broke the pizza curse!
It really was funny how that pizza would always cause some issue
I'll never get over Dr. Drew not bothering to even read an outline of the previous episodes before deciding he knew everything about Trisha, Ethan, and the show. I used to like Dr. Drew before he showed he's "one of **those** people on the internet". The ones who act like they know everything about something they actually know nothing about based on how they **feel** .
Yeah. He was decent back in the day but during covid he seemed to get really insane. Throw him in the trash with Phil and Oz
@@cwn41 But most of the stuff he said about covid came true?
@@cwn41 dr oz is just built diff tho, raging about normally priced produce
@@mrdumbfellow927 I’ll have to look that up. I swear he was on the horse medicine bandwagon. I could be misremembering but I remember he was an ass.
@@mrdumbfellow927 IIRC, he’s one of the minority of physicians who had the integrity to admit he’d initially gotten it wrong wrt covid.
It takes courage to publicly admit we’d been mistaken and to change course with new evidence. Most people are too insecure, fearful +/or prideful to just admit “Oops, I’d been incorrect.” So they keep doubling down on the original mistake (eg, flawed premise) until it becomes virtually impossible to stop the cycle-bc denial of objective truth amounts to painting yourself into a corner. A lot of people really start to believe their own lies along the way, to assauge the cognitive dissonance.
(eg, convincing themselves the covid Vx *hadn’t* been widely promised as an effective transmission inhibitor & pretending it’s not sus the CDC literally changed the definition of ‘vaccine’ in 2021 to cover for the fact these “vaccines” don’t prevent catching or spreading the virus...bc they’re afraid of being perceived as one of those stupid crazy anti vaxxers, not realizing the illogical denials are what make them look dumb.)
It’s tragic so many people can recognize how Ethan & Trisha are guilty of this self defeating tendency...but can’t see how they do it too.
It took me like 20 tries to watch this video. Not because of the length but because listening to the frenemies clips and dr. Drew really killed me and i had to stop and walk it off for a few days lol. Great work as always good sir and I’m sorry if I destroyed your rentention
I was listening to it while working (I work with lab mice) and I had to stop because I was getting so angry that I was afraid I’d make a mistake and hurt one of the mice. Like, oof, “Dr” Drew us a real piece of work
@@JaneDoeValentineSTOP ABUSING ANIMALS YOU DISGUSTING INDIVIDUAL
It's just like inabber said. Whenever trisha does something horrible everyone says, well that's trisha for you. Even the doctor did it
dr. drew is a therapist in the same way a car driven off a cliff is an airplane. when he had a rehab show it was a huge controversy bc of the number of overdose deaths and relapses after
Lmao this is such an underrated comment
You do know that ppl who go into rehab will often relapse and OD coz when they leave rehab they go back to the drugs and coz there tolerance is down for being "Clean" for so long. Like I'm sorry Dr. Drew didn't have a 100% success rate but that's how druggies are fam, the treatment only helps if they wanna get better.
@@MetaphysicalMetalhead stolen joke from hbomberguy im p sure but its a good one
I lost respect for Dr. Drew when he had Courtney Stodden (if anyone remembers back in 2010/11 the 16 year old who was GROOMED by and married off by their parents to a 50 year old actor) on his show to prove whether or not Courtney had breast implants. He had a literal CHILD on his show to prove to the audience of ADULTS whether or not the CHILD had breast implants. I've never forgiven him for that
@@catherinedean3796 don’t forget that’s the girl that Chrissy Teagan harassed, bullied and tried to convince to commit suicide
I have BPD and I seriously believed these were meltdowns to begin with.... Then I also realized that she gaslights Ethan and herself and most of the time CAUSES her own meltdowns. Either through an over reaction, lack of clear communication or really any seeming coping mechanisms or empathy at all. Ethan for the most part was very forgiving understanding and infinitely patient.
Dude facts. I almost don’t think she goes to therapy for anything by the way she deals with her “BPD” which I also doubt she has
@@sylvz7135 yes, i also think she doesn't have BPD, just self diagnosed then started using it as a shield to be an asshole
@@sylvz7135 Yeah, I don't really know why people believe her about the BPD/therapy when she has pretty much lied about everything else about herself. I honestly just don't believe a word she says anymore.
Im BPD aswell and couldn't agree more. The self sabotage was so obvious. I really felt for her in those moments but it didnt justify her actions in the end. Ethan did handle her better than most would have in those situations. So kudos there.
How anyone believes her is crazy to me lol.
I'm not even halfway through this and I feel like I've lived an entire life. This is some amazing coverage
I'm fascinated by this whole ecosystem of CZcamsrs. They all need to talk about each other to keep their place in the game. If any of them rose above it they'd lose out, so they have to stay in the endless grind of reacting to each other.
Because of that, one Trisha situation that stands out is when Anthony Padilla called her out for faking DID. Trisha and Ethan complained about it on Frenemies, and she made a few videos and Twitter posts calling him out. Anthony kept silent about it, and the situation died out pretty quickly.
it's such a weird thing for Dr Drew to say it was Ethan's JOB to be calm and just let Trisha rail against him when they split. Why is it somehow wrong for Ethan to feel hurt about it, especially considering from what I've seen during these fights that he's been pretty tame, and his use of Drew's tactics of being like "yeah alright" helped to make their last fight even worse. Trisha would constantly go for low blows and insult his family and them trying to provide the best for their kids, it'd be weird if he wasn't upset.
On top of it Trisha isn’t the only one with mental health problems. Ethan has been open for years about his depression and generalized anxiety disorder. What about his well being? His mental heath?
Remember the old saying don't feed the troll. In this case Trisha is the troll heck Ethan shouldn't have worked with her in the first place
Dr Drew was an enabler
Never accept abuse no matter what the reason is. It doesn't matter if the other person has mental health issues, that doesn't make it ok for you to accept someone talking down on you. Trisha never even apologized, her and the "dr" really believe that if you have a good enough excuse, you can always abuse your family and never feel sorry for it, while their feelings don't matter. It's a very toxic dynamic and manipulative. Real therapists would never enable toxic behaviour like that.
@@kateginger I had an ex with mental health issues and I forgave him so many times because he had an illness. But he was just a horrible abusive person.
Ah yes the iconic clash between Ethan, who's incredibly impulsive and offensively blunt, vs Trisha, who's a compulsive liar and a serial gaslighter. An absolute train wreck from beginning to end.
I do think Ethan's impulsiveness is kinda self protecting mechanism for him, even before podcast he was in hostile environment on internet, with podcast everything become worse
@@damn_fiddle trisha’s shitty behaviour is also a self protecting mechanism, doesn’t excuse either of them imo. interesting that you only tried to explain/justify ethan’s behaviour though
@@roxanneclarkson6036 I'm speaking about Ethan because i watched h3h3 since 2015. At this point i know how everything since that time was affecting him especially.
With Trisha I'm not so familiar, before podcast i saw her being with Shane, and that's all basically. I agree that she is also dealing with a lotta stuff as well. But if remember correctly, Trisha once said that they wanted to be famous for sake of being famous, Ethan and Hila become famous do to making comedic videos, and they stared in early 10's. Also the thing with Ethan, he was/is friends with people who also making controversial content, Filthy Frank Idubbz etc. And he got used to theirs dynamics, which clearly not for everyone tastes
I hate to sound like I’m making excuses, but wouldn’t Ethan’s Tourette’s come into play when it comes to his impulsivity and bluntness? I’m asking for the sake of conversation, but also because I’m ignorant on the topic. I don’t see it talked about much.
@@hallonegative To my understanding, not really. Tics are compulsions (whether it be through sounds or actions) and typically don't reflect a persons thoughts or feelings (though certain stimuli may trigger certain tics). They shouldn't make a person act impulsively on their own desires or say things that they actually do mean without first thinking it through.
I once had a friend and roommate with a similar diagnosis to Trisha and hadn't received any treatment so I can definitely empathize with Ethan - it can be INCREDIBLY difficult to maintain a relationship with someone struggling with these kinds of mental health conditions. It truly can be a losing battle in some cases, damned if you try to meet their at times impossible requests, damned if you don't. But this story really is the epitome of "there are two sides to every story" so I wouldn't even say I'm fully on Ethan's side, either. Great video!
At $180,000 an episode…no wonder Trisha loved the Podcast!!!
If you have a really toxic friend that treats you however they want and says terrible things to you, please remember that you don't have to stay friends with them!
LETTUCE
That part! And don't let them guilt trip you with their "trauma". You should come first in your life always.
@Benadryl_addict69 I would definitely leave as soon as you can. Your feelings are just as important and need to be respected. And you'll feel like a million bucks after....I know I did lol
I love how often in this video TRO says "Trisha made a video and it's hard to understand what she's trying to say"
It got to the point where he said it and I went "and it's hard to understand?"
TRO does an amazing job approaching topics unbiased as possible, offering a factual breakdown while outlining when something is his personal opinion or assumption and ultimately doing a far better job at humanizing everyone involved than a lot of other "Drama"-chronical channels.
A part of me wonders what Ethan or Trisha would think of this vid, other than the expected "wtf" on the 4-hour runtime about their breakup
I have never watched a 4-hour youtube video... but I enjoyed it :)
WHAT?! TRO just released a 4 hours masterpiece?! Day changer! 🎉
Ditto...schedule cleared!!
That's what I said out loud lol. Bonus!
You haven't even seen the whole thing yet how can you know its a madterpiece?
@@pyroAdapt because It’s tro we are talking about, every one of his videos are masterpieces
god bless this man
After finishing the final thesis is obvious: Dr Drew is 100% to blame.
Just wanted to say that I love how thorough your videos are. I'm not a consistent viewer but I can tell you put a crap ton of work into your videos. Keep up the great work!
The best CZcams commercial at the start. I normally skip them but yours had me hooked immediately.
Ive been a volunteer at a crisis hotline for five years and the first thing we are taught is how we shouldn’t react to anything anyone says, like say ‘oh my gosh really ?!??’ Or ‘what ?? You did that??’ because obviously that makes you want to share less. When I was watching frenemies and each time Dr drew targeted ethan or made his feelings less than I cringed so hard. Thank you for bringing that up.
thank you for your service
@@esotericpince lmao I love doing it, Ive been working there since February so it’s even better :)
Im pursuing my post grad in psych with a major in therapeutics. My specialisation is humanistic but i have some experience with couples/family councilling and I am pretty upset with drews conduct. He was extremely perscriptive, he didnt guide or follow the lead of clients, instead telling them what he thought was right. This is just not correct, you can not perscribe a solution to someone elses problem because the only person who knows the true essence of the issue are the ones afflicted. All we can do is be there, listen and try to understand. For example, when ethan spoke about how he didnt want to tell trisha things behind closed doors, I would have instantly honed in on 1. hurt in the voice and 2. a sense of betrayal of trust. I would say something like "i am hearing some pain in your voice, it feels to me like you are feeling betrayed." in a couples session, if affirmed by the client id say to them "do you think you could try explaining to trisha what made you feel hurt." instead, drew came in with the steel chair and completely destroyed a critical moment my minimisng ethan and contradicting him, which is a big no no in my opinion.
TL:DR, dr. drew listens to respond and he injects his personal bias into the words of his clients, rendering him unable to help anyone, with his only real ability is to affirm is own faux expertise. A therapist listents to understand, to comfort and be with their client, responding only to clarify or to focus the client on something that seems important.
@@zoniannitrate2905 exactly !!! another big part of our hotline is we don’t give advice, we help problem solve with the caller but we talk with them about what they think would be best in this situation, because nobody knows their situation like they do.
also what degree are you getting if you don’t mind me asking ? I just got my psych undergrad and I’m still on the fence about what kind of post grad route I’d like to take.
@@Tealcats So I graduated with a bachelors of psychology majoring in counselling and therapeutics, then I did one year post grad psychology honours and now I am doing my final year to get my masters. I took the clinical psychology route in my post grad, but it depends heavily on where you live. For me the most popular majors are criminal psych, addiction studies, clinical and then there are some more obscure routes like sports-psych.
It also depends on the routes available to become registered/qualified as a psychologist. For where I lived you have two major routes 4+2, which is undergrad, 1 year postgrad honours and 2 years supervised practice or 5+1, which is masters + 1 year supervised practice, which i opted for just to get it out the way (i hate research).