#46 Why does only India have Itihasa?
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श्रद्धा and प्रज्ञा With Nilesh Oak: Part 46
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Subjects covered: Bhagavad Gita, Ayurveda, Darshana-Shastra, Mahabharata, Ramayana, Veda, Upanishad, Vedanga, Bharatiya Jyotish shastra
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WE are blessed to hear you SIR JI 🙏HARE KRISHNA 🙏
You are best - you are certainly ocean of knowledge Nilesh ji 🙏
I love your work Nilesh sir!
Please consider collaborating with Ranveer from beer biceps, I would love to see a podcast series, so that more people can hear this on CZcams and on other platforms.
Kudos to the effort on all the research you've done until now!🙏
Absolutely.
Numerous initiatives are in the works. 24 hrs and 7 days are not enough.
Stay tuned.
@ Chinmay....yes very true
26:50 An interesting fact is that the Slavic word for cow is: "govedo" and one of the oldest scripts, the Vinča script, was found in the Balkans. Does the pagan goddess Vatika, after whom the Vatican was named, resonate with any of the Hindu goddesses?
Vatika means Garden. The wife of Lord Ram, Sita was inside Vatika of Ravan.
@@AjitKomurlekar Google says that is the Etruscan name of the goddess associated with birth and the underworld. Anyhow thank you very much, I learned something new
@@GandarDooMSita was daughter of underworld goddes
@@GandarDooMso it is abvious vatika means the abode of sita and the period where she lived after she was drowned by goddes under earth she lived her final years.she become goddess
@@GandarDooMher divine place has a energy which makes it a good place for the popes to feel the energy
Enlightening!
Marvelous.......
Great keep up the good work
Wonderful talk!!
Thank you brilliant as usual.
Very precise and easy to grasp. Looking forward to more such videos.
Thanks, will do!
Knowledgeable one sir, thank you.
So nice of you
Bravo, Nilesh .
🙏🙏
Jai shree Ram
Nileshji, please show the pictures of the sites discussed. It adds value to your interesting talk.
Swargiya PN Oak said that Australia was known as Astrasthan in his book Vedic Heritage of the world.
If he said such a thing, then it is wrong.
All the researchers including you must be brought in to establish such an university in india at multiple places for area specific research to culminate towards a broader earthily research.
What would that do ? How would that help the current society ?
Thank you sir. Recently I saw YT video claiming Mayans as the "best time keepers of all time"... When i searched further, I found that they have a divine year made of 270 days and human year made of 360 days + 5 days and culminating in an epoch of 43 lakh + years. For me it looked like a scenario where a maths student knows the answer but don't know how that answer was derived or calculated. Please do a short video if your time permits, a high level comparison of Indian and Mayan time keeping 🙏🙏🙏
Hahahahahahaha! Mayans are an offshoot of Bharat who stayed behind in times of Ramayan and neither had the necessary #Vedic literature left to study or the correct geographical location to verify their dying oral traditions regarding astronomy.
There are stray pieces of evidence in support of what you have stated and suspected by many + researched by Yours Truly>
1. Haranyakashipu - Pralhad-Virochana (VIRACOCHA - Azetc/Maya/Mexico)- Bali (Asura lineage)
2. Bali settling in Patal
3. Shukra-Charya as the Guru of Asuras
4. Astika (Azteca) as the guru of Nagas (Snake race!)
5. Maya Calendar as Shukra (Venus) Centric
6. Maya - Mayasur - Mayan - Mekshika (Mexico)
@@NileshOak 🙏
@@NileshOak Thank you sir 🙏
Sugriva's expedition to South America had to go through the Behring sea area which incidentally was a land bridge then. All cultures were then on the lower continental shelves by the sea as today before the massive sea rise. I doubt they crossed the Pacific from West to East by ship, but I have not read Ramayan. My opinion is based on my knowledge of Native American cultures of Mexico and Central America and their history.
Sugriva talks of two paths to the Americas (although the language is abstract and thus open to interpretations).
@@NileshOak Crossing to Antarctica from Patagonia is very feasible with lower sea levels and all the ice piled up on the north hemisphere. Just as easy as through the Behring sea during the meltdown. In Mexico, they teach little kids about the 7 Nahuatlaca tribes which came from the north throuth the Strait of Behring, South through North America establishing centers of culture while searching for the sign of an eagle devouring a snake in the middle of a lake, now Mexico City. I'm willing to bet some stories from South America speak of visitors and travels from south to north.
@@adolforosado there was land connection to Indonesia due to low sea level & maybe Australia. From Australia the sea distance to Peru is not vast
Before Herodutus, Vedic Sages like Valmiki, Vyasa had written history in Itihasas by composing Ramayan & Mahabharat but unfortunately many people including Hindus consider them as mythology. Infact they are history or Itihaas.
Nilesh, you are 💯% right about the biblical hangover of modern archeologists that human history started later than 5000 years from today. I think it has something to do with the carbon dating method.
I also disagree with the recent Easter Island heads theory that they got buried by natural processes. I think humans buried them for a reason.
You should searched for some information about the lost city found at bay of khambat.
It has history of 25k years
Nilesh Sir, Please come on The Ranveer Show (BeerBiceps)
Namaskar,
Next time I am in India and when we can match our mutual schedule, we very much plan on doing it.
Thank you.🙏
The first Shiva temple in Dwarka was built by Ravana with Sandalwood later Krishna renovated for Shiva🎉
agree with all your findings. Do Research on Kumar I Kandam. We have evidence in poems like Aali waves destroying Meru Mountains south of Madurai city. It had49 countries which are today mere islands
I mean huge huge references
Ravana married Mayans daughter which is today's SAmerica with the cultural background underneath
Dwarka Was Built Facing South, Mt Kailash Faces South, Mecca Kaba Facing South, Vatican, Ankorwat, Giza, Mayan Temple all was faxed south. Which is Antarctica or something Else.. Related to Shiva
Any Modernization or Civilization was Looked with India especially South. This is why Europeans Persians Chinese and. Every one else keep Coming India. For our advanced culture. I suggest using advanced scientific metjords like Radio Carbon Dating to unveil them all
How do you incorporate ice ages movement of continental plates in this theory. What about fruits animals vegetations of a specific region. How did they travel so far. Evolutionary details coming out of Africa then migration to other places with different human species Neanderthals etc. These all points should fit.
Please do Hindi session
Sir kindly please consider. What about the indus valley civilisation language? Thanks
Why so much rude comments from some people? Jealous people in comment
It's a fresh crack in the old stinking western paradigm of history. And it hurts some...
Sir Namaste 🙏🏼
I want to understand concept of Jambudvipa... was it core of the earth or Pangea or does it consider the globe or Asia or only India (connected to Africa) ??? Are the different dvipas visible or they belong to higher level of Conciousness? Can we show in today's map whee each of the dvipas are .... ? Basic Scientifc information about Geology and Cosmic Time is badly needed in school or atleast on CZcams...
Thank you.
All Qs you are asking are important. Unfortunately, there is little clarity and much confusion on all of them.
Would you say that Europe too had its dark period , Vikings going all over the place and then the knowledge got lost somewhere ?
Sir, do you think the name Herodotus means Her+doot (both words mean messenger)..?
No.
OK, but Greeks say the names cannot be explained by their own language. Also, many Greek Names can be explained by using Sanskrit, hence the thought. 🙏
@@anuradham8435 Good point.
Herodotus is Veerdutta. The english words hero and heroine come from Sanskrit words Veer and Veerangana.
@@pabhi5 thanks..sounds possible 🙏
"India is living civilization" rightly said sir...... Redevelopments happening every times everywhere 😀 (forgive me as it part of joke..)
Hello Nilesh sir, Is there any link between Mahabharata and the Kirat dynasty of Nepal ?
My understanding is, Kiratis were in Nepal 3000-4000 years ago. The first king of Kirat dynasty of Nepal “Yalambar" is believed to be Barbarik in Mahabharata.
Is there any reality to this ? Or it’s just stories?
Namaskar
Kiratas are mentioned in Mahabharata and thus I can say that they existed for more than 7500+ years.
@@NileshOak Thank you so much for answering. I appreciate your work sir.
Love from Nepal 🇳🇵
@@nikesh1786
Namaste,
Hujurko, धेरै धेरै धन्यवाद
Could u please
Read book
On
Sukhsagar shrestha
A very renowned archeologist n author from
Kathmandu nepal
On
Hindu
N buddhism in
Nepal
Sir collaboration with abjit Chawda
What was the script used to record the scriptures that long back? Or would you say that the script , if any ,was lost ? then how was the continuity maintained ? Memorizing and passing on to future generations is ok, but how does progress and study happen without a script ?
if the oral tradition was enough to hold on to the knowledge, then we are not "them".
You said "written down ..." at 28.10 .... in which script ?
Again at 32.10... the sages "wrote it down" , in which script, you don't address.
@@ramshastry350 Matamahi
Correct. Progress and study + analysis and comprehension, require script, intellect, Shraddha, Veerya, Sanyam, Prajna and Vivek.
but how do we correlate with yugas with your dating of our puranas and ice age dating. but i purely belive in our puranas and ithihasas 100% logically and scientifically. but i think many of the translated sanscripture are more interpolated in british time. that brings our people against us causes destabilization and hatred on own parents lack of cultural and samskar.
can u tell whats ur take on it?
And god in south america was SHIVALVA (shivalya) they used to call purush to male and word MAMACITA is originated from maa sita when sugriva army visited south america they were looking for sita mata.
We have vanshavali after arjun, like abhimanyu, parikshit, janamjeya, why dont we used their ages to exract the mahabharat age.
2nd way to find exact date is DNA of those tribes who claims to be descendant of arjun (i am one of them). We should take dna sample of those people and check when it was one and seaprated. That will give precise value. Ram ram
I think 2nd way is way easier
In Past, Planet Earth was Hindu Land. Its Divine Duty of every Hindu to WIN BACK his Ancestral Hindu Land (Village, Town, Mother Earth), Govern over, do Ghar Wapasi. Lets Make Planet Earth Hindu again
Not hindu say sanathana dharma
sanskrit is first or oldest lang of the world
is that right to say?
Sanskrit is NOT the first language..but it is the oldest known scientifically engineered language in the world and is the mother of many languages of the world.
@@NileshOak then what could be the first
@@pepejeet I don't know what they were and how they were named. The word 'San-krut' has in it its creation from 'something'.
Are there really many languages in the world? Or are these just names given to the regional variants of some root language?
Isn't that why language names are almost always linked to place names. e g.
Gujarat Gujarati,
Bengal Bengali,
Malay mountains Malayalam,
Tamil Nadu Tamil
Sindh Sindhi
England English
France French
Greece Greek etc.
But then consider the words Prakrut and Sanskrit. These are exceptions to the rule and are not bound to geographical names.
And hence these according to me are the original languages with Prakrut being the core substance and Sanskrit being it's refinement and the two are inherently inseparable.
Even Prakrut later bifurcated into many variants and got regionalized with names such as Maharashtri Prakrut etc, and then further bifurcated into the various languages we speak today.
According to me, Sanskrit and it's underlying Prakrut/s should be treated as one single entity under the banner of Sanskrit.
@@NileshOak Poli?
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Sorry, lastly. Indian, and India, are not geographical locations or ethnic groups. They are a derogatory term for something available to use and take. Subhumans and their available lands there for the taking. In my country, Mexico, people of native American origin are called Indians too. In USA, the natives were also labeled Indians. This is not an opinion.
I do understand your feeling but I beg to defer with your rationale. Please note that I am not a historian and I may be wrong. As far as I have read, Europeans went on expedition to discover Sea Route to India, for trade/medicines/gold/diamonds/etc. Because, when they travelled /traded with India by land route, they had to pass through Ottoman Empire who we’re charging them huge taxes/ customs. To avoid that they went on sea journey/expedition they ended up in Americas and they thought that they reached India. That’s why they started calling the local people ‘the Indians’ only to discover later that they reached americas and not India. That’s why, later one group were/are called Red Indians and others the Indians, to distinguish. I hope this helps and hope I am correct!
@@mindrani3784 I am a historian.
The original name of "India" is Bharat.
The zero meridian used to be there until the British stole it. Their culture is documented with sophisticated astronomy to at least 40,000 years. That's before Egypt, Greece or African cultures existed, at least in their present form. The "Indian" epitaph is a racial slur.
@@adolforosado 👍👏
The word India was given by Greek invaders which comes from River Indus ie River Sindhu , but yes it's invaders name
@@adolforosado It may have become so, at a later point in time. But the origin of word ‘Indian’ did not start that way. Like someone else on this chat mentioned, India was the name used by Non-Indians/ Non-Bharateeya’s to refer to land/population that was to the east of River Sindhu/Sindh ( they called it Indhu with S silent, which later transformed to India and Hindu etc) … These were the names used well before (2000 years before) Europeans went on sea expeditions and found Americas…. the oldest known civilization from the region is called Indus Valley civilization, because of the river Sindhu/Sindh…. Even before Europeans knew we existed , we Indians called our ocean to the south as ‘Indu Maha Sagar’ which literally translates to ‘Indu Big Ocean’…so there are very good reasons as to why the word India got coined and how it connects to the local rivers and oceans, etc. It may be used with a different connotation today, but that doesnot justify the origin and meaning of the word.
@@mindrani3784 Thank you! My statement was more political than scientific. I am aware of the root in Sanskrit. You are correct.
Nileshji, Rama was a Hindu right ? 🎉 Where in Ramayana did He say He was a Hindu ? 🎉
How many Ramayana have you read?
@APOORVA 20bap764 it is very simple. Word HINDU doesn’t not exist in any authentic Sanskrit scriptures. Lord Shiva never claimed he was a Hindu. Sita Devi never claimed She was a Hindu. Ganeshaji also never claimed he was a Hindu. Etc etc. All I know the word Hindu has been given to Indians by the westerners because nobody in the west can figure Indians out what they believe in. And for some reason Indians accepted this , in my opinion , a derogatory term as themselves.
@@krishnaabreakingnews Yeah! Just like how humans never breagged oxygen before Europeans "discovered" and named Oxygen so! Do you even know how stupid your comments seem to us?😂
Btw, Mahabharata happened 5000 years ago not 7000 years ago as per your new claim.
The accuracy of 5561 BCE can not be understood without Vyasa-Kripa.
oh my...
@@NileshOak BCE = BEFORE CURRENT ERA
@@krishnaabreakingnews BCE :- Before Christian Era or Before Common Era.
Btw, why don’t you wear kurta and put tilak on ? And shave up to represent properly the Indian culture !
Great question. I am Vishwa-Manush of Rigveda.
Naked we come, naked we go. Namaskaram.
Stupidity of misinterpretations should not be carried on
Nilesh Oak prabhu, please stop deceiving people that Ramayana happened 12,000 years ago.
12209 BCE is not easy to comprehend without Maharishi Valmiki Kripa.
it is you who sows deceit.
Having enemies mean they are scared
@@NileshOak as I said earlier, Nilesh Oak is using an outdated legacy miss calibrated Astronomy software. That’s the problem. His whole research is based on , as he likes to put it , “the Back of the Envelope” calculations based on that questionable software. He is not even sure regarding the shape of the 26,000 year orbital path of the earth’s axis. He claims that shape to be a corrugated ellipse. While his Astronomy software shows a perfect circular shape. My question is Why not the figure 8 shape ?
@@krishnaabreakingnews you are just a troll. Blocking you...