#27 The mystery and the meaning of Samudra-Manthan? What is it and how long is it going on?
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श्रद्धा and प्रज्ञा With Nilesh Oak: Part 27
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Subjects covered: Bhagavad Gita, Ayurveda, Darshana-Shastra, Mahabharata, Ramayana, Veda, Upanishad, Vedanga, Bharatiya Jyotish shastra
Nilesh sir , loved the way you burst the myth about hindi. Yes people should slowly learn other languages and one who is serious will. I want to learn Sanskrit so i can understand the pure untranslated scripts, understand shlokas , and meaning of mantras we chant
We have Vidyadhar Oke (b 1952) an Indian doctor, musicologist, harmonium player, and astrology consultant, who has done research in the use of shrutis (microtones) in Indian classical music and created a unique[1] 22-shruti version of the harmonium. All OKE'S Doing great work. Jai ho Shri Nilesh
Namaskar and Thank you
Our ancestral places ( Dr. Vidyadhar Oak and I) are two miles apart, in Parashurama Kshetra.
Bamanoli and Borgaon, respectively.
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Thank you Nilesh ji.
My respects and salutations for all the research you have done. I just got goosebumps.
Super excited...thank you Nilesh ji ...my deepest pranam to you.
So nice of you
Just Great
Samundramanthan is basically manthan or debate or discussion between two large civilizations, who met at a point from across the Samudra. one civilization from this side of samudra and another civilization from the other side of samudra. they met and talked and new idea and products were the result. in future same will happen when we meet another civilization from another planet and an Aakashamanthanaa will take place
Hats of to Rupa Bhati and Nilesh oak
Great explanation ❤
Salute to your in-depth researches and dedications to the Indic studies...
I think Devas and Astra’s were tired of long fights. They thought of utilising their energies in some research work. So udder chairmanship of saint Sheshnaag, they had long meetings at some place at Meru Parvata. Beginning was from oceans around.
Very interesting perspective shown by NILESH ji .....And yes innumerable humans must have spent innumerable amounts of time and efforts to reach to conclusions which we today take for granted just like how sm animals were chosen to be domesticated etc... Thankful to shri Shashikant ji for raising the question of today's topic Nileshji please take one of such questions weekly or atleast monthly and try to throw some light on the right kind of perspective to look at such topics. Happy to be in these times where such ancient cultural exploring is being done! THANK YOU Nilesh ji.🙏
Just want to listen to your elaborations on and on and on! Very very intelligent analysis and expression of events. You are an excellent teacher Sir. May God bless you with many more such revelations.
धन्यवाद नीलेशजी, तुमचे व्हिडिओ अतिशय सुंदर असतात. आपल्या संस्कृतीतील अनेक गोष्टींचा उलगडा होतो. खूप आनंद होतो आणि ज्ञानात खूप भर पडते. तुम्हाला खूप खूप शुभेच्छा!
This has always intrigued me intensely so thanks 🙏🙏🙏 a lot to you Neelesh
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Thanks for doing Great work.
Thanks for watching!
Thank u, for bringing this 🙏
Thanks for listening
Thanks ..for clearing d idea of Samudra Manthan
Thank you very much Sir, खूप छान माहिती. इजिप्त, इतर पुरातन संस्कृती व भारताचे त्यांच्याशी असलेले संबंध यावर ऐकायला आवडेल.
Fantastic. Thank you.
Glad you liked it!
Thank you Nilesh ji ...I was very curious to know about Samudra Manthan...thank you for this information...your research on Indic studies is mind boggling..thank you again..
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Let's call all of our learned Hindu scholars to do translation in different dialects Thank U to all
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Wow Nilesh ji this was a eye opener best explanation and very deep study and intelligent answers and dedicated study 🙏🙏 thank you very much ..
Thanks a ton
Wonder ful subject taken care of wonderfully. 👏👏👏
🙏🕉️ हर हर महादेव 🕉️🙏
Bestest
Very interesting . Most of our mythological stories have a deeper meaning. At different stages of our life we have to understand it in a better way.
Thank you.
It's not myth
Sattalogy
Excellent
We were waiting for you in Jaipur dialogues event
Great
👍👌😊🙏🙏🙏 शत शत नमन तुमच्या ह्या अनुसंधाना ला…. लक्ष लक्ष धन्यवाद… साधुवाद🙏🙏🙏 किती सोप्या शब्दात समुद्रमंथन विषय सांगीतला … आता आम्ही आमच्या मुलांना पण सांगु शकतो समजवू शकतो…🙏🙏🙏
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Thanks..saw samudramanthan sculpture in Bhopal...along with sculptures of people going on space journey..its interesting that cave is called samuadra manthan cave
Excellent suggestions to Hindi fanatics. उनका attitude है कि उनको सब कुछ थाली में सजाकर देना है । High time English and Samskrtam be made official languages of Indian administration.
It was indeed a way of communication and to preserve the knowledge system through narration of the legends or stories. Evidence of it is provided narrating legend and its decoding is available in
Bhagwat purana. . Refer to story of king Purunjana in part 4 . Symbolism of story of king Purunjana is revealed. on page 553 Bhagwat purana published by Gita Press. Scholars should develop methodology to decode the legends in heritage of sanskrit texts. I have decoded two legends union of Shiva with Uma and birth of Kartikeya narrated in Valmiki Ramayana . Thanks Nilesh ji for attempting to decode samundra manthan story.
Dear Satya Narain namaste Sir ,
I would like to know more about youe examples.
@@shashikantoak please share email. I will be glad to send you my papers. A new discipline may emerge for decoding the legends .
So nice. But please do come out and write about your analysis on Uma Shankar union. It would open minds and eyes of so many of us.
THANK YOU...
DR. NILESH OAK...!!!
Some things are to be interpreted literally... But, then we have to use the TIME & PERIOD... applying the B. E. S. T. & A. S.
Next, If we are interpreting SYMBOLICALLY then we have to apply every branch of science, history and evolution from micro to macro world...!!!
I have interpreted
' paalaazhi madhanam' through ASTROPHYSICS AND EVOLUTION... since our vedic ancestors used astronomy & astrology to interpret events and also in teaching, ceremonies and to start a particular project ,
Since everything is the light & energy...!!!
It is hard to summarize ... because it covers the union of the vast array of different branches of knowledge... Like we call the VEDHIC WISDOM ( VEDIC WISDOM )...!!!
I started using ' H ' in the
Spelling of VEDHIC... to give a correct pronounciation...!!!
THANKS AGAIN DR. N. OAK...!!!
Very excited about Samudra manthan 🙏
समुद्रमंथनाच हे विश्लेषण अतिशय समर्पक वाटल. खूप आवडल..
आणि मंथन समुद्राचच का? पृथ्वीवर प्रथम समुद्र निर्माण झाला आणि मग त्यातुनच सर्व जीवसृष्टी निर्माण झाली या अर्थाने हे समुद्राच मंथन आहे अस तर नाही?
पण खूप आवडल.
Come to the topic soon..
Riveting 🙏🙏🙏🙏
i learnt marathi by self
its quite easy
Unique, appealing and convincing interpretation of Samudra Manthan.
Very impressive presentation too.
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Dear Nilesh Ji, Thanks for very interesting info...what timeline do you put on this ..I did not mean in terms of years but like in treta yuga or satyayuga or even before it ?
Proud of you sir, and my father..... Shashikant oak
Lucky u r , bow down to shashikant sir ❤️🙏.
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@@NileshOak Nilesh sir we hv talked for collebration , u hv shared email, i hv not got reply yet . Kindly check that . 🙏
@@gauravgupta6969 Check your email. spam folders etc.
@@NileshOak i hv replied sir ,check it. Thanks
Very much happy to know this approach to see at samudramanthan sir. Aamod?
Great to see your youtube channel sir.
Sir please make a descriptional video on Rishi Kashyap and their children who are Nagas,cattles,daivas,danavas
A fortnight ago I presented
' Samudra Manthan ' in the classical dance form of Bharata Natyam.
@Gayathri Keshavan; A dance is excellent, but the Samudra Manthan is another Hindu myth/ mithya just like believing in Hanuman, a flying monkey. Satyemeya Jayete.
Do post the link to it, if you have the recording of it. Thanks.
That is amazing .. ..do post the link ma'am ..pranam
आत्ताच व्हीडीओमधे पाहील की तुमच्या पुस्तकांच मराठी भाषांतर 2023 मधे येतेय. खूप चांगल झाल. मी कधीपासुन वाट पहातेय. English घेतली आहेतच. पण मराठी मधे वाचायला नक्कीच आवडेल
Thank you. As of now...Marathi translation of Ramayana book scheduled for March 2023.
India/Bharat RETURING to be a Superpower is NOT a surprise at all.
Irrespective of Western/English culture accepting the FACTS.
Why would the Western/English culture give in? NEANDERTHAL culture would not.
After some deep thinking I concluded Samudra Manthan to be a semi literal event which goes as follows:
Kshira Sagar is actually a region space with high gravity. As we are surrounded by lavanoda sagar, and kshir is more dense than salt water. As we are in Space the parvat should be a huge mass which is most probably a black hole or something of that sort, which caused severe churning of spacetime around it. The churning does signify cooperation instead of literally being a tug of war. The aim of the whole event could be extraction of energy from the heavy mass. Kurma might act as a control rod. Halahala could have been the anomaly noone thought of (a break in soace time maybe). Amrit could not have been an elixir to immortality to longevity as the lifespans of devas even brahma are fixed, rather it should have granted the possesee invincibility in war (cannot be killed before they naturally die)
Nice intrepretation
There are thousands of pieces of knowledge from India/Bharat are in metaphoric and similes format. The Hindus were that advanced in knowledge. Also metaphorically encoding knowledge made it easy to remember the fundamental data.
I urge all here to study how human memory works. The memory works by retaining images/ideas which are "weird"/"fantastic". Thus highly complex ideas are represented by weird images.
The "Samudra Manthan" was thus used to make humanity remember the highly complex ideas.
it's always enlightening to listen from you Nilesh ji... thank u very much for your research work
Always welcome
Nilesh ji I want need some information on time zone concept , how we can connect
We can connect via DrNO.5561BCE@gmail.com
Please list/number your specific queries. Be patient. I have a backlog that can last at least until the end of November 2023.
I feel that Vasuki is more symbolic to DNA. he samundra is a potpourri of biochemicals. Upon churning of the DNA with the biochemicals the ancients arrived at the Amrit - the nectar of immortality!
What a beautiful thought
Wild imagination does not take us to a point.
No wrong, there are a lot of cultures and races in the west with the mentioning of NAGA as a race that had co-exist with us. Some said it was even superior to manav.
@@Survesh2Bajpai Nagas are NOT a race anymore than vanars are. They were humans, so were the vaanars.
The concept of race is unscientific and is not used in contemporary scientific lingo.
Good evening, Nilesh Sir. We would definitely like a video on ozone layer around earth. It’s a god creation or formed through evolution.
Namskar. I have very little knowledge of this subject area. Feel free to make a video if you have the relevant expertise. Thank you.
Sir, is there any relation with varaha avatara and the earth's orbit having 23.4 °?
Because the story says hiranyaksha pushed earth from its place and it got slipped in to avakasha from aakash.
Is hiranyaksha is a commet or planet rushed towards earth to push it apart?
Please speak on Thuba explosion and Abhijit or 28 nakshatra… are 28 nakshatra mentioned in astronomy software
I know this is not related to the topic but there is not much info on internet
I am interested to know more about the 75000 years of hindu civilization.
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So what about Indus Valley civilisation where it falls in timeline and do we have carbon dating to support that
That the story of Churning of Milk occasion. I pity Vasuki getting elongated from both sides!
Can समुद्र manthan be equated to breaking of pangea/gondwana land and development of current geography, with its current state flora and fauna.
Nilesh Ji, I think, it could be better understood by Einstein’s special theory of relativity. As he proved conclusively we live in a four dimensional world. Deva’s live in five directional world. There is no hierarchy in five dimensional world. Bramha, Vishnu & Mahesh are the three gods who look after the four dimensional world.
God himself comes on the planet earth on and off.
In Geeta Bhagwan has very clearly stated that he could transfer Arjun to five dimensional 53:19 world where time is just one dimension. He showed that all the Arjun’s dear ones were dead.
Good explanation.
Excellent Nileshji. Just a gentle reminder. You had agreed to provide me with horoscope of Shree Ram & Krishna. Can you please provide just one first(that of lord Krishna). I am quite good at decoding horoscopes.
Yes, I will as soon as I can.
मला वाटत प वि वर्तकांच्या वास्तव रामायणमधे या कुंडली आहेत.
@@user-gf3tj5zl1x i will check. But with all due respect to p. v. Vartak's work. Date & time of birth worked out by Nilesh ki is dead accurate. Hence I am asking from him.
@@subhashchaphekar8812 of course I do agree.
Wonder if AI can be used by you for astrological and astronomical calculations to confirm events of the past? Your work is very fascinating.😊
Would like to be connected to Shashikantji sin e i have taken a nadi rdg myself in navi mumbai ,found it to be eerily accurate and so became very interested in the science behind it.I found it to be a series of templates written thousands of years ago by at least 5 maharishis like Bhrigu, Agastya, Suka etc. And it could be like a DNA template for a whole group which by a seies of questions could be zoomed to your particular template? Does it indicate we all have generalized common template like our DNA which is yet different for each individual?
Also the churning of Samudra manthan could be like the primordial soup before the first beings came into being?
Thank you for your comment. Feel free to contact Wg. Cdr. Shashikant Ji Oak. He is active on Facebook.
Sir pls do discuss about kaal vigrah status
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अभ्यासक महोदय ओकजी भारत आपका सदैव ऋणी रहेगा क्योंकि आपने भारतीय संस्कृती के संवर्धन में अपना अद्वितीय योगदान दिया है।👏👏हमारी संस्कृती ही हमारा स्वाभिमान है।🙏
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Your thoughts in Hindi is spot on.
नीलेशजी, कुछ वीडियो हिंदीमें भी अपलोड कीजिए |
@NileshOak ji 🙏🏽.
Is it possible that the timeline of Mahabharat could be 5561 BCE * 2 or 5561 BCE * 3 etc from year 0 or 1 of common era, as these cosmic arrangements of planets, stars, constellations etc are cyclical in nature? And likewise for Ramayana & others.
Just like you mentioned that “Rig Veda is at least 24000 thousands year old, could be older!”.
Namaskar
Thank you for the great questions.
1. No, it is not possible for Mahabharata to occur in any other year but 5561 BCE.
2. Ditto for Ramayana. It is not possible for Ramayana to occur in any other year (12209 BCE) or timeframe (13th millennium BCE)
3. Astronomy is much misunderstood. Very few things in astronomy repeat and recur. In fact, this allowed ancient Hindus to make use of astronomy as time.
Hope this helps.
Great. 👍
Convincing and very interesting.
Many thanks
नमस्कार. मला वाटते की यज्ञ हे ज्ञानाचे, विष हे वाईट गोष्टींचे प्रतिक आहे. समुद्र मंथन हे परमात्म्याने बनविलेल्या सर्व चांगल्या व वाईट गोष्टींचे प्रतिक आहे. अमृत म्हणजे अंतिम ज्ञान आहे. धन्यवाद. गिरीश जोग, पुणे.
शशिकांत ओक यांचे ग्रहांकीत मधील नाडी शास्त्रावरील लेख लहानपणापासून वाचून स्वतः चे नाडी भविष्य ऐकून आलो... २५% च सत्य ठरत आहे.
My wife visited the Nadi center in the Mumbai area and she had Zero% match with anything from her past ..and future.
Nadi, not unlike PhalJyotish has a much bigger purpose/intent than predicting the past and the future. But again, my knowledge in either area is limited.
Marathi Hindi and Gujarati is not much different all three are written in devnagri lipi and many of the words are common.
And, would it be incorrect to say that Samudra Manthan is still going on. Some years back Computers then Windows operating system, etc etc came out of this Manthan. Recently James Web Telescope has come out of this Manthan. My God, what great CHURNING it was, to get such an equipment !!!!
Yes. It is going on. Civilizational development - two rails of the Train.. Vijnan and AtmaJnana (science and Adhyatma)
Just love listening to you…..
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Is there anything mentioned about Egypt or Pyramids in Ramayana?
No
@@yb.11 Namaskar
Create a CZcams video and post it. You can also post it in the comments to this video if you like. Write blogs.
some other links with ancient Egypt with diff p.o.v
czcams.com/video/6inkrC0afu8/video.html
@@pm4306 Thank you for sharing the link...i saw the video but still the references in this video are not explained in detail.
do you also have Marathi videos? Will love to watch them I am not Marathi but will prefer it over english(language of colonizers) any day...
Yes, I do have videos in Marathi. Check the playlist here.
Vasuki means the constellation Draco lying round the pole ("mount Meru or Sumeru") and placed on Kurma which means the shield of a tortoise = the northern half of the planet. The Asuras are at the head of Vasuki, meaning they are located in the west and the gods (at this time Daityas) were pulling the tail of Vasuki meaning they are located in the east. The churning of the milk ocean means the increase of the earth rotation as already the indian scholar B.G. Sidharth in his book The Celestial Key to the Vedas page 110 correct interpreted. This is described in detail by the ancient Greek writer Plutarch in his book About Isis and Osiris. There he describes that the former 360-days-year in which sun- and moon year were simultan changed because of an increase of the earth rotation into a 365-days-year. The earth rotated more often on her course round the sun. This means that the now moon year is the former 360-days-year.
Does Bramha symbolise the cause of creation and its three heads as three dimensions of our universe.?
4 heads
Hello sir, i am not anyway closer to your greatness and knowledge, here you missed one co-relation of INDR and AIRAVAT. this is my question for many years, that why was airavat given to indra? If you can clear this in your next video.
One More, if i am not disrespecting my guru. AMRIT, is public memory and MOHINI rup is popularity. (Thats why vishnu took mohini form coz maya is part of vishnu.) Thats why they all(devas and asuras) wanted amrit and popularity was feeding amrit to them.
Question: then what was rahuketu? PLEASE PLEASE 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 try to answer my questions.
Tortoise represents Time .All animals can run except the tortoise.Tortoise have constant speed of walking that's y to represent time tortoise is used
Great explanation of Samudra Manthan. thank you so much 🙏
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Dev and Danav live in higher dimension which is beyond space and time. But it has to be after the universe is created and before any life existed on any planet in universe. So it can not be timed as there is no astronomy in higher dimension. Matsya Avatar and Kurum Avatar matches Darwin's theory of organic evolution. It is story of evolution of life, you can not take it literally.
The symbolism of manthan done by Dev / Asura could also mean the civilization development done at the hands of two "peoples" who competed and collaborated to achieve it ?
Correct. Multiple sections of civilization or even multiple civilizations.
Samudramanthan is symbolic . Vasuki is kundalini energy in the shape of snake resting head downward. Rakshas are the desires emanated in muladhara and swadhishtana energy centres of the body. Devas are the divine qualities trying to bring the energy up for expansion of consciousness and finally moksha through brahmarandra. The milky sea is the pranic body under which this physical body is in active mode. This what I understood in my research.
Very good interpretation. At the level of individual (sharir-mana-buddhi complex), this makes total sense. Ditto can be extended to social complex as in development and evolution of civilization.
Thank you
Now days languge translators are available and one could make use of it.
BTW i have no problem with english.
It wiĺ be interesting to know about samudra manthan. Heard abut it from elders but just little bit about it without much details or symbolism.
In my assessment, it symbolises an event or group of events which took place in the past when SURs & Asurs work togather where the outcomes were both good and bad.
Good one were like Amrut, kamdhenu etc etc, bad one were Vish which had to cindumed by Lord Shiva.
This also resulted into the conflict for amruta where asurs tricked of so that non of them become immortals because thst would have been harmful for the entire world.......
Sir
I have a question, i wanna know about certain things such as
1 hanuman is considered as cheeranjivi (immortal) nd he jumped to eat sun , i wanna know the reality about it
2 I wanna know is god real? Bcs krishna and rama according to you are humans who lived a full life of a man nd helped society
If they are human, then what’s the heart lf Krishna in puri temple, Nd what about bhagwat geeta, is it really the words of god, please answer sir, i have alot of questions
It's not a easy question!
Nobody can answer it at least in this YUGA.
If you try patiently you may get answers somehow.
Om Namo Narayanaya 🙏
Nileshji its a humble request...You always tell the viewers that selfstudy is important and spoon feeding is not good and wont be done by you so can you please help in giving links where genuine authentic information can be accessed and studied with respect to the various topics/matters where you ask us to do some self-study for gaining insight. It will help us to stay away from wrong or confusing perceptions liable to be given on some sites.
Namaskar
I wish I could give such a link. This is not possible for too many reasons to list.
Precisely the reason, eternal 'savadhata' in our 'Sadhana' is required.
The starting point for a given subject area can be suggested. That is the best one can do. And I do suggest such references from time to time.. e.g. Gita Press, Jnaneshwari, Vinoba, Ramadasa Swami, Pandit Satavalekar, specific books, specific authors (e.g. Being Different by Rajiv Malhotra, Books by Dharampal, and such).
@@NileshOak hmm right...ok! Thank you for replying 🙏And I do believe that you will keep mentioning these starting points in future too. Thank you for all the great work you are doing! You make us feel proud to be a bharatiya!
18:30 roasting 😂
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Sir often it's deviating from subject
Namaskar and Thank you.
What you are saying is true.
Do kerp in mind that the best teachers are master digressors..
Nilesh, sorry to say that your talk does not come to point till 30+ min. If this is a metaphor, then what about the 14 items which came out as the process, were they also are metaphoric? Also, if this is a process then it is spread out over a long time span. So does this mean that the Samudra-🙏Manthan is still going on??🙏
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The answers to all your questions are in this talk. Please listen to it again.
Dear Mr. Oak, I was really in total consonance with your method of multidisciplinary localisation of events of our ancient Itihasa like Ramayana and Mahabharata. But there remains a great part of Spiritual reality which ultimately gave rise to Material Reality. Many of the oldest verses of RgVeda as well as the Puranas point to myths which essentially deal with the structure of our mind and ultimately to the evolution of the Brain for our species. The structural composition of the Mind which I would prefer to categorise as Psychological Archetypes such as Devas, Asuras, Nagas etc map to the different cortical structures of the modern human brain and give rise to different races of Man represented by the Archetype Yayati, and also some myths portray the evolution of various lobes of the Cerebral Cortex from the unicellular forms of life passing through primitive layers of the brain which first developed in Fishes, Reptiles, Birds, Mammals, Different Hominid species and ultimately Man. So some kinds of myths are about development of Consciousness and Myths represent that. There may be many variations of myths and it doesn't matter as the archetypal identity remains same. These basically have relationship with Consciousness studies as Scientists slowly realise that Consciousness is not a byproduct of neuronal activity - but rather the other way round Universal Consciousness representing the Nirguna Brahman ultimately is the only Reality behind the Saguna Prakriti or Maya which brings forth both Sookshma and Sthoola dimensions of a multilevel reality.
The myths of Kadru and Vinata, the myth of Samudramanthana are all about the evolution of species and ultimately about the evolution of the cortical structures of the brain in the different species ...which culminated first in the Krita Yuga in its most pristine Consciousness .
I agree with your comments.
Your timing of Mahabharata is about 7000 years old which is contradicting widely accepted age i.e about 5300 yrs.. any clarification is appreciated …
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It is actually 7500+ years old (7583 years old in 2022). Please read all my books, and blogs and watch 800+ videos for additional information to understand why everyone else had it wrong, and for so long.
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It is a concept of Puranas. There is no Samudra Manthan in Rig-Veda..
Seems ur voice has changed.
Getting duped by Mohini in search of Amrut... All these are metaphors!
What are your thoughts?
@@NileshOak Nilesh ji, was overwhelmed by mention of my introduction. Your metaphor explanation is very convincing.
Was in jaipur conference. Could not meet Sanjay Dixit ji as he was busy on the dias.