#4 Where is PragJyotishpur of Naraka & Bhagadatta? Ramayana/Mahabharat evidence solves the mystery
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श्रद्धा and प्रज्ञा With Nilesh Oak: Part 4
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Subjects covered: Bhagavad Gita, Ayurveda, Darshana-Shastra, Mahabharata, Ramayana, Veda, Upanishad, Vedanga, Bharatiya Jyotish shastra
Full disclosure - I am from the US, and got introduced to the text and scriptures through yoga study, which i now teach, and have since embraced sanatana dharma as my own path in life. I am eternally grateful to Mr Oak for his revelations regarding dating indic history, and it's that timeline I now teach my own students and I encourage other teachers to do the same.
Tomorrow I will visit kurukshetra for the first time and I know my visit will be so much richer and more fruitful carrying the knowledge mr oak has given us.
Thank you sir!
Thank you.
Sorry to report they still use old dating, as did my guide. His defense was centered around "archeological" evidence and dating of seals from mojeno daro etc, as well as lack of horse bones there, despite the fact that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It was wonderful to finally visit those places (traffic aside), but disappointing to hear/see old dating methodologies. Keep fighting the good fight Nilesh!!
Language translation merely needs to be proof checked by 10 or 20 people who have read the original books in English to see if the translations are loyal to the original English text. Feel very positive about the translations about Shri Oak's books, as his main readership will be the natural Indic language speakers. I am certain, eventually Shri Oak's body of work will be 'must read' category in universities and will be manifest into school text books. Pranaam
The place is mentioned as Pragajyotispur in the Kalika Purana and the Yogini Tantra and inscriptions of the Varman dynasty
Maybe they came to east slowly due to barbaric invasions... you know right when krisha ji ka niryan hua even arjun got defeated by mere countrymen..
Probably both are true..
Maybe we have this recorded but those records got burnt in taxila or nalanda...
Yes and in Iraq area there are no elephants
We want our pride and honour of our ancestors back. Thanks nilesh ji thanks for every thing.
Sir Its Great to hear , Your books getting translated in many languages... !!!
Really informative session. I am glad I watched this episode 🙏 Om
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THANK YOU...
DR. NILESH OAKJI...!!!
Dear sir, I thank you for clerifying the doubts of many..
I am from Assam and i support point of your research work. I do support your theory that pragjyotish can be anywhere in the west but cannot be related to Assam. The name of pragjyotishpur is being carried along by the people who came from the west and settled in the region of ancient kamrupa. During the reign of Barman dynasty various brahmims and other professionals were gifted land and property and made provisions for permanent settlements.For evidance you can go through the Nidhanpur land grant of king kumar Bhaskar Barman. In the land grants there were many Dutta, bhattacharya, sandilya etc titled people who were gifted the land by the Barman kings.So there is no geneological lineage between the Barmans of kamrupa with Bhagadutta or bajradutta of the west. As per the chinese traveller huen tsang book "Si yu ki" it is well mentioned that King kumar Bhaskar Barman mentioned "Si kiya fang che " by which the king describes that his ancestors came flying through the air and he too have old connection with china. The theory is also supported by renouned scholar and historian of kamrup anusandhan samity in her book kirat janakriti by Dr S. K. Chatterjee .She oppined that king kumar Bhaskar Barman was of mongoloid origin. So from this it becomes clear that the Barman dynasty of Kamrupa has nothing to do with pragjyotishpur or bhagadutta.
Thank you.
Valmiki Ramayana and Mahabharata are very crisp and clear on the location of Prag-Jyotishpur of Naraka and Bhagadatta.
🙏🙏 very correct word you used,
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Nilesh ji,
The supporting evidences from Ramayan and Mahabharat are well accepted. Though it maybe difficult to many who get stuck to old unsubstantiated notions.
The break up of Sanskrit origin words Prag - Jyotish - Pur was expected to be connected to the place. Bagdad भादाड in local dilect name was amusing.
Nilesh, thanks for another perfect presentation on the location of ancient places referenced in The Ramayana and The Mahabharata.
Not only that but I’m many ways more importantly, emphasising the value of true research, the premise of the exercise and how to be as precise as possible following through all the clues given.
You present using such an interesting methodology, that your talk is no less than taking the viewer on a journey of discovery like Indians Jones searching ancient treasures.
THANK YOU SO MUCH !
Please stay well and healthy and prosperous so we can selfishly enjoy more of your profound proofs of discovery 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Thank you.
My intention behind my works - blogs, books, videos, lectures, courses, dialogues, and debates is to share the robust methodology of Darshanashastra and modern science along with the role of Shraddha-Veerya-Smriti/Shruti-Samadhi-Prajna + Pujya Buddhi, Pramanya Buddhi and Vivek Buddhi in comprehending the 'Sat'.
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@@NileshOak suddenly all these seems to be interesting more than modern science. Time for me to use viveka budhi with shraddha .
Nice. Agreed with you Nilesh bhau
Thanks Mr.Oak. Insightful. I am curious about one thing - i thought after Mahabharat, almost all the kings and warriors of world were killed…good to know there were survivors
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Thank you for the excellent exposition Nilesh ji and also for giving us a practical example of the Bharatiya Scientific System.
The last part of Bhaskarvarman's claim is very interesting.
It would not be the first time a western dynasty came to rule the eastern part of India. The Senas of Bengal are a good example. They were an offshoot of the Western Chalukyas. In fact the worship of Durga was introduced by them in Bengal after the Buddhist Pala Dynasty.
Some more interesting facts about Assam:
1. Similar to Persian, the "S" sound is replaced with "H" or "X" sounds. That is why the Assamese call Assam "Ahom" or "Axom".
2. The Lion motif is very common in Eastern India such as the "Singhadwars"(Lion Gates) at every Temple and even the vehicle of Durga is a "Lion". This is despite having no Lions in Eastern India. In fact, this region is one of the densest tiger habitats in the entire world.
3. There are several words that bear semblance with Persian/Middle Sanskrit words. This is despite the Assam region having never being conquered by the Persianized Islamic Turks. For example the word for the traditional two-piece dress of the Assamese womenfolk is the "Mekhela Chador". The Chador here refers to the upper garment and is identical in pronunciation and use to the Persian "Chador".
Hope this information adds some value to the discussion.
My conjecture is that, during Ancient time clans often moved large distances to establish dynasties away from their homeland. But they carried their culture and some aspects of it survived post-integration. We have such long history and expansive geographical consciousness, that it is impossible for us to not find inspiration from distant lands of our civilizational expanse. Also, naming cities in honour of other Ancient cities is not even a uniquely Indian thing. "Rome" is a prime example of that. Therefore, both Pragjyotishpurs are probable, one just happens to have more acceptance in public due to its recency in history.
Thank you. This is great information.
S is pronounced not H in Assamese; it is done by Ahoms, part of Assamese from Upper Assam who came from Thailand. S is more pronounced like that in Greek, and not like H. Infact, that is the easiest way to find out whether a person is Assamese or not, no other community in India atleast can pronounce that right...
Shakti, as Sherawali (one who rides the lion) came much later; do you find such depiction in Kaakhya temple? You are mixing all , from different time frames...
According to Vishnu Purana - I think modern time Bagdad is the kingdom of Bana ( son of Mahabali) Shronitha puri & Bana’s friend and neighboring kingdom Prag Jothisha Puri is modern Jordan (Petra ) was the Narakasura’s kingdom .
Sri Krishna and Yadav Army went to fight with Bana and destroyed his city and tower to rescue his grandson Anirudha . May be the same event in Bible story of Babel Tower distraction.
Interesting information. Please quote relevant chapter and verses from Vishnu Purana.
Thank you.
Very interesting.iam ur new subscriber.Thanks for the video
Pragjyotishpur is in Assam. In Kalikapurana we found pragjyotishpur. In many ancient books we found that Pragjyotishpur is in Assam.
Thank you.
What are your thoughts about geography and cardinal direction descriptions of PragJyotishpur/Naraka from Valmiki Ramayana and PragJyotishpur/Naraka/Bhagadatta/Vajradatta from Vyasa' Mahabharata?
Acharya Chatursen in book 'Vayam Rakshamah' has mentioned Pragjyoyishpur to west of India.
Sir, The Nidhanpur copper plates which is found in Assam talks about the kings of the dynasty of Naraka, Bhagadatta and Vajradatta and their descendants who ruled for 3000 years.
Please tell us more about Nidhanpur copper plate and what exactly it states.
Sir, There is a book "KAMARPASASANAVALI" edited by Dimbeswar Sarma where you will find everything. There are many plates which could relates with Bhagadatta.
Pranaam Oakji, dandavat
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baghdad though an iraqi capitol, the name itself comes from persian/ avestan origin as they ruled there and has same meaning as baghadatta = god given. similar to vendidad = given by vendi. theres definitely a connection that we know of. mittani kingdom though not as old (2500 yrs) in todays syria/ iraq had sanskrit speaking court over hurrian speaking people. all the aristrocrats and kings had sanskrit names.
Thank you. The subject is worthy of research.
Interesting. Baghdad could be Pragjotisha. In the memory of king Bhagadatta .
Were there elephants in Ancient Iraq area? As sriptures mentions Bhagadatta and Bhagadatta's son travel on Elephant.
Yes, according to Mahabharata
Why did sugriva descibe the sindhu river in. The direction of East? Please reply.
Sir, according to Kalika purana, the Brahma first created the stars here hence it is called Pragjyotishpur.
Thank you.
This is good information. Prag-Jyotish-Pur (first -the creation of stars-place).
That's a complete new theory in belief system of assamese origin.. The Kamrup kingdom revolves around Bhagadutta,Naraka,Bhaskar Varman and Maa Kamakhya and everyone here believes the pragjyotishpur and Bhagadutta theory. Actually the scriptures which many reffers to is Kalika puran which was written near 900 AD so it's information is very recent. There is no written history of Kamrup or Assam before Varman dynasty. So if Mahabharata is 7000 years old then this big gap of around 5300 years is silent on any Kingdom.So this might be a interesting field of study. If Bhagadutta was from Assam so there should be other information happened in past Mahabharata time. Actually we were always taught that Kamrup was mentioned in Mahabharata but learning from you it is clear that actual scripture has no mention about it.
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Good suggestion. Thank you.
I am being slow and detailed, deliberately, based on feedback from multiple individuals to speak slowly, explain nitty-gritty detailed, even repeatedly
However, it can be boring and tiring to others
In fact, I watch many videos of others using accelerated speed + few other trucks. Thus, if I am familiar with the subject and the speaker, I effectively listen to 90 min talk in less than 10 min.
प्रागज्योतिषपूर = प्राक् + ज्योति: + पूर
अर्थ: प्राचीन तेजोमय नगर
प्राक = पूर्वीचा (प्राचीन) किंवा पूर्वे कडील
ज्योति: = तेज किंवा बुद्धिमत्ता
पूर = नगरी
Sir, There is a palace of Raja Bhagadatter Bari in Barak Valley, Assam.
Great. what is the time of this King Ghagadatter Bari? Does he belong to Varman dynasty?
maybe the descendants of bhagadatta kept migrating west till they slowly reached assam... and we have no record as the taxila and nalanda were burnt..
Because the assam thing is mentioned in kali tantara and also in few inscriptions of Varman dynasty..
The elephants were also mainly used by persians... Asyrians might be the asuras..
Interestingly.. BhagaDatta means god given (bhaga is a name of shiv and we also call bhagwan.. if you check in persian Bagdad means god given..
Thank you.
You mean migrating eastward to Assam over time...right?
@@NileshOak yes.. as the other janapadas are already taken
Could this be Prague, and ballikan is balkans, and the Alps are the mountains
Namaste.
In all the Samskrita MB text it is Pragjyotisha. Perhaps wrongly translated by adding 'Pur'. This could have created the confusion.
It is correct that Sugreeva atlas places this Kingdom in the west. However, MB places it in the North, won over by Arjun at the time of Yudhishthira Rajsuya Yjna (Digvijaya Parva under Sabha Parva, chapter 25.) After winning over king Bhagadutta Arjun goes in the north to subjugate Vahlika, Kamboja etc. Text in Ashvamedhic Parva mentions that the Horse went from Trigarta to PragJyotisha where Arjun won over Vajradutt. After this winning Arjun fought with Saindhava. Already included in the video. This suggests that these three kingdoms were adjacent/nearby to each other.
Pragjyotishpur was the historical name of the city of Guwahati, under the Kamarupa kingdom. Its antiquity can be established from the fact that it has been mentioned in the two great epics- The Mahabharata and the Ramayana and also in the Puranas.
This information is as per State Government web portal. Appears to be a case of mistaken identity. A nearby area is named Bhagaduttapur!
Sirji, can we stretch this location to West upto modern days Prague capital city of Czech republic ?
If there is evidence, no need to stretch.
Where is matsya desh ? Could it be in central Asia as i have found recently in an Wikipedia article, when you go in Name section it says that ut may have derived its name from Matsya region ( indic lang) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massagetae
As per what u say, the PragJyotishpur of Naraka & Bhagadatta is where 'Ur Casdim' of the Hebrew bible (not Cristian) is on banks between the rivers Prat & Khidekel (Tigris & Eparitus), the city where Abraham's forefathers came to from (we don't know exactly). in Our Jewish bible its written that Abraham's family came from other side of the river (which is Saraswati).
Thank you. Could you please mention specific references for the river names and of Abraham coming from the east...
Appreciate your help.
@@NileshOak yes i will send u in a proper references and pages numbers.
Sir was pragjyotishpur not in Assam?
How did Arjun marry Manipur's kings daughter and have a child with her n who also fought alongside his other brother's in the battle of Mahabharata???
This happens during indraprastha's establishment and before the Yudhishthir's crowning? Also when Arjun broke the rule of 1yr privacy policy by entering the room of his brother n draupadi, to take the gandiv to stop the stealing of cows n so on by kaurav gang n etc, he had to leave for some years to do penance in seclusion. He goes to that side n marries there, and as per Krishna's suggestion he stops in Somnath n marries Shubhadra later.
Huuu....
I knew it from very begining ,pragjyotishpur is not in india it is in west(europe)
Boss said someone must to additional research. You should start talking, how do you know it's Prague.
@@prathameshdusane2619 there is city name prag in check republic may be that
Some Czechs told me that Prague in Czech Republic is named by some Indian. Is it That!>
Interesting.
Someone must do additional research into the history of 'Prague'.
Huuu.. Kamakhya Maa and Narakashur's battle than is nullified. Where she saves those 16k+ princesses, who were captivated by Narakashur to produce his babies, n for that, from having from all successfully he did yagya to appease Devi Kamakhya.. But than he was shown truth about himself n so on.. Which led to his surrender and slay n freedom of all the princess.
So, that's a lie, Devi Kamakhya or Vishnu didn't slay Narakashur n all.
Swamis and Gurus are the only credible source.
at 37.56, Dushala brings son of Suratha (suratharasya sutam) in front of Arjuna. Suratha died with the shock of knowing that Arjuna has come to fight. The little child is supposed to be grandson of Jayadratha. 🙏
Thank you. I stand corrected.
Assam's ancient name is Pragjyotishpur
Pragjyotisha was something which was conquered by Arjuna and it is mentioned it was close to China....as per mahabharata....pls refer to mahabharata and if u require the extract write to me and I will share it...and I am reading "Sanskrit" mahabharata
I am again saying there is city name prag in check republic
U mean prague
Prag is city in check republic
Again there were never elephants in Iraq and middle East area on the other hand Assam been always rich with elephants. Bhagadatta's soldiers were Chinas and kiratas which one can read in Sanskrit shlokas available in internet. Kiratas are mentioned as yellow skinned, mountainous people of Himalaya and it's surrounding areas and Chinas are Chinese. In middle East those races were never existent.
@@Theactualstoic thts what I wrote above
Prgjyothishpur is Guwahati. Bhagadatha is from Nagaland
His promoting the non credible anti Hindu Wikipedia
Pakistan Afghanistan is India
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Pragjyotisha mentioned in the Skanda Purana as an eastern tribe . And according to my research on pragjyotisha and Narakasura , it is possible that the name Assam as pragjyotishpur comes from that Purana .
You may quote specific references. Thank you.
@@NileshOak Sir, Chapter 59 (English translation of V. G. Tagare, Book-1, Section-2) of the Kaumarika Khanda of the Maheshwara Khanda of the Skanda Purana.
@@rajbongshikrtv234 Thanks.
@@NileshOak My pleasure Sir🥰🥰
@@rajbongshikrtv234 ji. Please see footnotes below the translation. Please see also difference between the narratives of the story of Bhagadutta in Mahabharata + Ramayana and Skanda Purana.
In Shishupala Vadha Parva, Ganguli has translated the text as:
And that great warrior king Bhagadatta, the brave ruler of Pragjyotisha and the mighty sovereign of the mleccas, at the head of a large number of Yavanas waited at the gate unable to enter.
Yavanas were always associated with the West. This Bhagadatta is king of mleccas. Here Pragjyotisha is a Janpad or a kingdom.
The Assamese Bhagadatta is stated to be the king of the place Pragjyotisha, and is an asura but not a mlecca.
This indicates that area mentioned in Ramayana and Mahabharata is different from the King and the place mentioned in Skanda Purana.
Later update in Skand Purana could be a kshepaka or a case of mistaken identity. Can any narrative in Purana of the same era take precedence over the story in Ramayana and Mahabharata is a question one needs to consider.