🇪🇺 Semi Final 1 Jury & Televote Points Analysis & Reaction | Eurovision 2022
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I breakdown the televote & jury results from SF1 of Eurovision 2022
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:16 Standings
3:37 Televote
10:30 Jury
15:38 Combined Scores
17:10 Qualification Streaks
21:47 Jury v Televote difference
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I think Latvia was just absolutely cannibalised by Moldova and Norway. Coming so early, and before both of these, probably hurt Latvia in the televote a lot.
The fact with slovenia is that the music was insanely good for their genre. Many people with perfect pitch noted on the great chords. But normal people cannot understand them
you need to have a broad appeal to succeed at eurovision
I think it was the lack of charisma
I'm glad Latvia wasn't completely snubbed by the juries. Their performance was one of the best in the semi for me - so energetic and engaging the entire way through. I'll never stop being disappointed they missed out on the final but I suppose there weren't many quirky televotes left once Norway, Moldova, and Ukraine ate up so many.
I thought that Lithuania will get more points from juries than televote because she was so early in the running order, but it is not the case now :) . If she managed to get the same amount of jury points in the final she would be top 10, and that is against all odds :) she was 25th in odds when Final odds ended.
yeah
She was also 40th or very close to the bottom before the semi final, so I didn't think that she would even qualify for the final. So I was happily surprised when she was announced as a qualifier.
Slovenia is just so... weird. It's not that their NF was even so bad, they had some good choices in there, but they always pick the most random things that def won't do well at ESC. I still believe some of the songs in their NF could actually have gone through (Luma especially felt like something that could have stood out).
yea i loved Luna. but seriously you only need 3000 votes to win the Slovenian national final televote 🤷🏻♂️
Hey Tom. Greetings from Greece. I have a fact for you. I'm a Dj in a gay bar here in Athens...and I have to tell you that Ronela's entry is the most favourite indeed and they dance to that song like crazy. The same as last year happened with Mata Hari. It's the type of music in these songs that makes us go crazy about them.
We also love SloMo, because, as you already know, the similarity with Eleni Foureira is outstanding. 🔥
Hi Thanos!
Haha yes i was in Athens in 2011 and I remember a lot of Eurovision music being played when i was in a club there, although for some reason there was only 60-90 seconds played of each song! 😂
I would definitely expect the gay community to be attracted to Ronela and Efendi, as we disproportionately like those types of songs.
In the final, Greece gave Azerbaijan 12, Poland 10, Australia 8, Romania 7, Moldova 6... So the 3 dodgy qualifiers in their top 5...
Amazing. Eastern europeans liking eastern european kind of music. They should like only western boring or nordic ones
I love you posted another insight vid Tom!! Thank you again for you for all your works. Lets kieki.
I loved Lithuania so well deserved. I didn't believe about the diaspora vote but just went all the way back to 2014! Ireland and UK almost always vote highly for Lithuania. Both countries have big diasporas from Lithuania. Even in semis when they didn't qualify Ireland especially usually gives a high vote! Interesting!!! but not conclusive! nice analysis. (also I know neither Ireland not UK voted in this semi..so Monica did it all by herself!)
theres always disapora for Lithuania from UK, Ireland and Norway, BUT monika got points from all countries, so for me its clear that people just liked the song
Great analysis Tom
I love how much profesional are you.Even after eurovision you are still making us fell like it still eurovison
thanks antonio 🥰
This high quality analysis! We don't deserve it. Thanks for delving into the detail so we don't have to! The Albania votes were definitely very weird. And LOL about the Slovenia votes vs your channel!
Norway being overshadowed by Sweden - we are used to it (haha, only kidding here - love our Swedish neighbors, I follow Melfest, and I often vote for their entries in Eurovision)
Our semi final result was lower than I expected, but at the same time also better with the juries. Really hoping NRK keeps up this trend, and we keep climbing up the results next year. Would love to see a potential winner in MGP that could score well with both juries and televote. It seemed like they really believed in Subwoolfer this year, I've never seen us put that much effort into a staging and choreography - and I hope they weren't discouraged by the jury result in the final. Just gotta get the completely right song.
id love a new Norway win, its been too long. I think MGP this year was really amazing, ive got the most downloads from there.
Also youve got talented songwriters like Elsie Bay who are being supported by the broadcaster, so they are nurturing talent.
The problem for me is that NRK keep sending acts that are jury poison like Keiino, Tix and Subwoolfer. Sadly we’ll never know how Ulrikke could’ve done, I’m pretty sure she would’ve gotten top 10. They desperately need to stop thinking that gimmick = victory because it will NEVER work, and I’m saying this bc Norway are my fave Eurovision country and I also desperately want to see them win so seeing them with this very 2000s strategy is extremely frustrating for me.
@@KylieWilson Exactly! I think Norway should consider having a jury again because afterall Eurovision is 50% jury 50% televote, so if you want to win, it's not enough with a fun televote song.
@@escrte I'd much rather Norway and NRK keep experimenting and trying different things than adding juries back. Eurovision doesn't need all of it participants to add juries - that takes away the fun and the show part of it all. It gets boring if every year we were to send a standard ballad or pop song with nothing more to it that flops in televote - like our neighbors Sweden the past few years (Cornelia at least providing a bit more than they have recently, but I'd much rather have seen Sweden risk it with something like Medina). I'd much prefer we keep showing our culture (KEiiNO with joik) and the music that is actually popular here (TIX), rather than try to please juries and everyone else who can't enjoy some fun like with Subwoolfer that still has a good quality song with lots of time and effort put into the staging as well. Hopefully in 2023 or a future year we can find something that is a great mix for a winning entry. It's all about the right song - rest assured Norway will vote for a winner if we get one into MGP.
@@KylieWilson Subwoolfer also got top 10. I don't care that the juries didn't like it. It was the most fun entry we have ever sent, and I much enjoyed the wolves even if you didn't. If we had sent Elsie, NorthKid, or Sofie - they were all probably in danger of not qualifying, and if they would have qualified - there is no way they'd beat Subwoolfers 10th place. I like that we aren't afraid to go for whatever we enjoy. In 2020, that was Ulrikke and surely she would have done well but likely not won. Like I said, all about the right song.
I loved Bulgarias Entry,
Love this - great analysis. Look forward to your thoughts on semi 2 and the final! xiexie Tom
I think Norway and Moldova took all the "joke" points, leaving nothing left for Latvia. "Joke" songs are often kids' favourites. Latvia's song wasn't very kid friendly, unlike Norway and Moldova. Not everyone is prepared to vote for the "joke" entries. So there is a limited amount of votes in the "joke" pot. It can be debated which song is a joke song or not. But the closest to that label in this semi were Norway, Moldova and Latvia.
yea i expected some televote pts would be taken from LAT by NOR and MOL, but i expected that to take the form of Latvia just getting lower points, not 0s
@@ESCTom Yeah.
@@ESCTom I suppose, they were 11th and 12th in many states as well and would have finished higher, if every position got its points, though. But it seems impossible for 3 joke entries to advance from the same semi final. Moldova and Norway took their votes and spots in the televote and they didn't get much love from the juries either.
The problem with Latvia was just placement - going second, and also going after the messy Albanian performance... if they had gone after some of the ballads, their color and fun would've been refreshing.
well i thought it was cos of going second but Albania and Lithuania did fine so i dont know if that reason still stands.
going after a ballad would have make it stand out a bit more, but i dont think it should require that to get televote points.
It's baffling because the song is going viral on spotify and on TikTok...
Maybe it's just that the TikTok crowd doesn't care about Eurovision and wouldn't bother voting (that's definitely the case with my friends - they love Eat Your Salad through TikTok but they're not ESC fans)
@@tiny_lebowski I wouldn't rule out that they landed on 11th and 12th place in many countries. Besides the fact that Ukraine, Moldova and Norway soaked up too many points and Top spots and that success on social media often isn't 100% transmit able to televotes
I am so in favour of juries Tom
Anyone who lived through the ESC in the noughties, when it was 100% televote, remembers some totally shite winners of the contest.
But the EBU have a nightmare ahead of themselves, to protect the integrity of the system. Im glad you highlighted the unusual results of the Greek Jury, as it almost feels as if the EBU has pointed the finger at certain countries and left clear anomalies elsewhere, totally alone.
If anyone doesn't believe this, please look at the Spanish jury results in the final. The theory is a jury is made up of 5 individuals who rank the field 1st to last, with no consultation between each other and are totally impartial.....i know we don't live in a perfect world but some results stink to high heaven!
Well done Tom, it's important to highlight some of the unsavoury data in a non-judgemental and non-xenophobic way, in order to shine a light on distortion of the voting system.
It has gone beyond the traditional friendliness of countries voting for each other ( ie Greece/Cyprus, Moldova/Romania, Sweden/Denmark etc) and seems more sinister than ever before.
yea i would imagine the decision with that was that i made sense to pick out the most blatant instant of the 5 in SF2, and anyone else "messing around" would get the hint.
As for spain, unfortunately we see this with the favourites. remember in 2017 when bulgarian and portugal gave each other 0? 🤦🏻♂️ it was beyond dumb
btw 100% agree about the 00's, all the dodgy winners were in the 00s. '01/'02/'08
@@ESCTom and that was when it was 100% televote
Do NOT want to revisit those days!
Don't know how the juries can be tinkered. Maybe keep them anonymous to each other until the final results are revealed. That way they can't collude with each other.
I don't know Tom but something has to be done!
As a survivor of the 2000s I could not agree more. 50/50 voting is the best compromise.
I really lost interest the back than. with the juries, also variety returned to the show and as a whole, it's more interesting.
@@ESCTom or the same thing happened last year when Italy was 11th with the French jury, due to 2 jurors putting it outside the Top 20. But just like the Bulgaria vs Portugal situation, there's no bribery or negotiations involved, some jurors just put a country down to let their own country win, still something that needs to be finished.
It's almost as if some of the juries are doing tactical voting. :]
Yes, I'm not from there, but I think that the Slovenian NF had so few voters that it was enough for LPS to win, just by having their whole High School vote for them. (just bc they know each other or know them as their school band, I'm not saying that there's any wrongdoing involved, just that a small number like that could be enough to pull you through)
if you told me that is what happened, i would totally believe you. they were 700 votes ahead of 2nd place in the televote, i can 100% see how a highschool could make that many votes very easily
They seem to be quite successful in Slovenia, at least for a young and new band.
@@ESCTom absolutely. Especially if there are only a few people watching. And young people probably being more eager to vote 20 times or use an app (I don't know, if it's available for this nf, probably not) and next to those High School students, there are also friends and relatives and ordinary people, who don't know them personally and just liked their song, that might have voted for them as well. So, 700 points advantage is easily done this way. Even if it was just a 4 year HS, but I think, their Schools go from 5th to 12th grade, so their amount of students might be about 700, maybe even larger than that.
Slovenia's song is one of the very few that I will actually be listening to outside of Eurovision - I knew they wouldn't make it, but I didn't expect the bottom spot - because the song was actually really good! Meanwhile, Latvia put on one of their strongest performances in years, the staging was incredible :) And Albania... she was so painfully off key, I would have been shocked if she made it through. I'm guessing, an elephant sat on Greek jury's ears.
Well keep in mind that the jury and public see different performances so she might have been on key for the jury performance
@@ESCTom that's a fair point. But you'd still expect more juries to give SOME points then, unless Ronela just wasn't somebody they liked :)
yea in fairness their staging was a mess
Eurovision world is a great website. Green jury a bit of a mess! I wonder if the EBU considered any action because it's so far off the trend but. On that note looking forward to your semi 2 video...
I definitely think juries are needed in Eurovision! However, EBU need to do some changes with how juries give their points because of what happened in SF2 and Grand Final (and maybe Greece in SF1?). Maybe the jury members should be completely anonymous both across and within the countries' juries.
it looks like Martin Osterdahl is taking a more firm hand than Jan Ola did so things might change...
The Greek Jury were crazy ... I can see how they up voted albania and Bulgaria though.
In the case of ‘fan favourites’ Albania and Latvia, I wasnt shocked by either non-qualification Tom. With Albania, the semi final was my first full listen /watch and I found it really trashy and shouty. With Latvia, from the get-go, I found the music style almost offensively outdated and forceably ‘whacky’ - not so much ‘joke’ entry, more of a piss take? 😮
yea like honestly that's probably pretty much what happened - people didnt like either of them enough 🤷🏻♂️ i think its as simple as that
Plus Albania seemed more like a joke entry than Latvia, one could argue. And the no 2 spot. And the other joke songs soaked up all the spots and votes and were better joke songs. Plus many 11th and 12th positions. And positions in the bottom of the Top 10. With Albania the problem was the messy staging (if something like a staging even existed) too sexy, both outfit and choreography, she partially struggled vocally (also due to dancing too wild, I guess) and where's even the song, it seems as if it was mainly just instrumentals interrupted by random shout outs. At least she could have sung a line in the end of the song instead of having the last 10 to 15 seconds instrumental, it didn't have to be a vocal moment, but just something. This way it seemed to be unfinished. That's why none of them has qualified. Maybe next year.
This has been the strangest ESC ever. As a positive, i think the song quality is the highest ever - and I mean ever. There were no bad songs in this final at all...On the downside, the failure of the kinetic sun will always leave this year as being "the contest that could have been" in the eyes of the fandom - plus the treatment of the fandom press/reactors, this was a really backwards step by the EBU. Sure, TikTok has a reach audience but the majority of ESC fans, or the general public, are probably not TikTok subscribers. I was pleasantly surprised at how many of my work colleagues actually watched the show this year - and really enjoyed it..
Assessing the semi-finals as you've done is a logistical juggernaut, but you've done a great job Tom. For me Ronela failed because she tried to hard to be a Nicki Miaj type artist rather than being true to herself. The whole performance was too sexualised but felt really contrived and ingenuine.
Maruis Bear had the curse of the Michael Rice black leather jacket. His styling was awful, period. Again, he looked like someone who was about to just wander off to the corner shop to buy bread and milk, not to appear in the grand final...
Latvia. How much impact did the (albeit silent) "P" word have on voting. Y'know, I sort of wonder if there is a difference between 13 year old boys and men of their own age thinking it's fun to say that word out loud in public and think it's either funny or socially acceptable? I'm in no way a prude but there are times and places, I can come out with the least-inappropriate chat imaginable - but y'know, this is a worldwide TV, family show event...
yea honestly now that its over, the sun shitshow will forever stain this for me. like how something like that can be allowed to happen in the first place, AND then not be rectified is absolutely crazy in 2022 to me. the stage is just something that you cannot f*ck up to that degree.
the treatment of fans and reactors seemed split between EBU and RAI. definitely RAI didnt give a flying f*ck about fan clubs, and it seems EBU are trying to kill off the standing gays with the flags.
@@ESCTom Agreed Tom, and i did just want to add, it's not just about the gay flags - it's about any flags at all. Having the green room directly in front of the stage meant that the audience were miles away from the performers and this year lost all the intimacy we've had between the acts and the audience ever since arena-Eurovision started. None of the dancing and flag waving we love and have become accustomed to in recent years...I feel so sorry for anyone who attended their first ever live ESC this year based on what they've watched online over the past 10 years or so - a completely seated audience, distanced from the performers,. To me it just didn't sit comfortably with how I view the contest nowadays - it kinda took me back to the 70s or 80s with shows in theatres with stuffy audiences - a completely seated audience, distanced from the performers.
If you could change anything about the contest for 2023 - staging, hosting, songs, voting, involvement of fans, what would you choose? Now, there's an idea for a video! I suspect you would be more insightful than most of us.
I do feel strangely confident UK will host next year. a) Runners-up to Ukraine, b) Big budget, c) Ukraine have developed really close ties with UK during the war - jeez, they even re-named a street after Boris Johnson d) Ukraine gave their 12 points to UK e) The BBC would love it... And please, next year can the UK send Years and Years? Olly was absolutely on my radar in the run-up to 2022. His performance of It's a Sin at the Brit awards with Elton John was PURE Eurovision czcams.com/video/Hk4eMIswunQ/video.html Actually, send Olly AND Elton! It was only post contest that I read that Olly had actually put his name forward as a possible entrant but was turned down due to the BBC agreement with TaP Music/
Your thoughts, Tom?
My top 2 of this year before rehearsals were the Netherlands and Portugal. I'm slightly surprised (and somewhat disappointed) that the Netherlands didn't do that well in the televote, while I totally feel the song and am so proud of her singing in Dutch. Do you think that it was the language issue, or a slow song drawn in the first half?
Portugal on the other hand did surprisingly well with the televote in the semi, I was fearing beforehand that she might do really poorly with the televote but I'm quite delighted with her result. Not surprising (given the draw) that her televote score wasn't as good in the final.
nah i dont feel it was a language issue. i think the staging was beautiful but yea maybe it lacked the same impact that the laser one had. I still think 11th is an amazing result, its so difficult to come top 10 in these years.
yea i was pleasantly suprised by portugal, she probably could have been 6-8th if she had been drawn in the second half
I wonder if there was some collusion or bribing going on in semi 1 too, as there was in semi 2. It is probably quite easy to bribe juries since there are so few of them. Thanks for the analysis.
i reckon there was to a smaller degree, and there has been in previous contests. i think this warning wasnt just to those 6 countries but to everyone.
I had a look on Wikipedia about the points right before watching this, and I was also like "WTF is going on with Greece?"
I’m sad LPS didn’t do well, I know it was for Eurovision but I think they did so well.
I think that the argument that Juries tend to penalise upbeat songs works the same for the televoters. I was very shocked that some of the beautiful songs in the contest such as from Australia, Switzerland, Azerbaijan and Netherlands got very low points from the public. Netherlands was my second favourite after the semi, I love everything about her. Her song is authentic, she has a very strong message that I can relate to and the song is just beautiful. I was shocked about Australia's vocals and I thought he would get more televotes too. I was even more surprised that Azerbaijan got zero points in the semi-final. I understand that the song isn't to everyone's taste, but zero points from the public is very shocking. The song wasn't that bad. In fact, Azerbaijan was one of my favourites in the second semi final, so it's not like people hated it. I don't understand the reasoning behind zero points.
I can say the similar thing about Switzerland. I thought that the performance was great, I really liked it, he has a very good voice, but I also really liked all the beautiful effects on the stage as well as the artist's message in the song and his authenticity. He was definitely better than some of the other contestants in the semi. Again, maybe the song isn't to everyone's taste or maybe people can't connect with it, but the artist does not deserve the unnecessary hate. The fact that this artist got bullied online shows what kind of awful people are voting in the contest, but it also supports the argument that we need to keep the Juries. So based on this, you can say that this year people have been very very harsh and critical towards more slow tempo songs and we need the Juries to keep these songs in the contest, so the argument for Juries penalising upbeat songs is the same as the argument that the public is penalising beautiful slow tempo songs.
Regarding semi final 1 results, people forget that Albania was first in the running order, so this will always lower your chances of qualification. I simply think that people almost forgot about her performance and it didn't leave as much of an impact. Regarding Latvia, I simply couldn't connect the artists with the song. No offence for any of the artists, but I just thought that they came off a little bit too arrogant and in your face. People were not having fun or at least I wasn't. So maybe it's a bit less about the song, but more about the performers themselves. Maybe they could've also done something about the staging to elevate the performance, because the public just didn't feel it.
the 0 for Azerbaijan televote for me is super suspicious. especially given how they have a history of "helping" their televote score. honestly i would be suprised if it was some sort of unspoken punishment maybe agreed behind closed doors.
interesting to hear your thoughts on latvia, if enough people felt that, that could be why they did so bad
I think in terms of Latvia attracting talent to their NF, I can name three big name acts that I think could pick interest back up: Dons, The Sound Poets and Carnival Youth (the latter of which funnily enough is the band of the son of Renars from Brainstorm) but I worry that the big names are too scared to enter. The aforementioned Dons shockingly lost the 2014 NF to Cake To Bake despite being by far the biggest singer in Latvia and with a massively acclaimed song to boot, and another big name act, Triana Park, came last in the semi in 2017, and I worry that might have put a lot of them off. I have a soft spot for Latvia, they were my #1 in 2016 and it’s sad to see them back in their suck period.
ah ok yea losing to Cake to Bake would put a lot of established artists off. I guess they maybe need to take a look at Supernova. honestly i dont usually watch supernova but my impression of it is that who qualifies to the final is so random.
I don't know how to explain anomalies in the televotes. Other than if whatever company collects the televotes are cheating. I am not sure how televotes are collected. I assume the first people that see the tele scores are from that country's tele company. Then those numbers get sent to the verifying company? So before the numbers get sent to the verifiers it would be possible to change the scores.
As for Iceland, that song was probably popular among other Nordic people. It was my favourite Nordic song this year, making it into my own top 10. Being Nordic myself I only had Iceland from the Nordics in my top 10. It did get points from non-Nordic countries too though. Not sure how much of that was diaspora voting.
i think the televotes are more secure, because the larger quantity of votes makes rigging harder. its still possible with buying lots of SIM cards in small countries, and i think that works better in the semis as theres less people voting as well.
they made some changes cos some people were quite obviously cheating with sim cards, the stories are out there for anyone to google. thats one of the reasons they got rid of the San MArino televote. the czechia televote had a reputation for being easy to rig as well cos the numbers were low
@@ESCTom Interesting, thanks. That wouldn't work in bigger countries, but for small countries I guess it can work.
Have you thought that the diaspora voting in the semis has more of an impact because of lower viewing audiences.? That would explain Lithuania and Portugal. Also that may explain the 12 pts from Greece to Albania which has a lot of Albanians living there. However, now that we have the EBU statement t on jury rigging, is it possible there were countries involved in SF1 that just weren’t caught doing the same thing? (Bulgaria and Greece, hmm)
Lithuania did great in the televote on the final so the reason this time is just Monika's class and charisma
Connecting to why Latvia didn’t do so well as everyone predicted, i tried to think as a regular eurovision viewer and wondered if maybe the lyrics played a critical role. Because the topic is so non sense, to regular viewers. They will not spend time looking up or questioning “why is this lyric so crazy”. It’s a hit or a miss. Eurofans know the lyrics have layers and double meaning, however, regular viewer only sees/ hears ‘eat your salad” and probably immediately thinks about the lecture his doctor gave him because of higher weight or cholesterol. I think if lyrics were more relatable to the music, like for example Moldova, with “hey ho, let’s go, folkore and rock and roll” of if they would have sang it in Latvian, with a different title and where the viewer could connect the energy of the song with the lyrics, they would have done better.
yea its really hard to know what happened. i guess the only thing is to ask people who were at big parties etc what regular casual viewers thought when they saw it. I imagine a lot of them would sum it up in one word - its too "X" - i dont know what it would be though
Greek jury voted their Balkan neighbors, including Moldova but excluding Slovenia. They might also have tried to undermine Switzerland, Lithuania and Iceland by not giving them points. Strategic voting? Very probably, but you might also think these jurors had a preference for upbeat songs. Rigged voting done well.
Aminata just needs to send one of her songs in Latvian, they’re truly amazing
i am from greece and our country always vote neigboors
whats the unusual of the greek juries??explain to me isn't it obvious that Albania's song is close to what greeks like listening?cant you see that jurys and televote of Greece agree on that?so what makes it unusual?
every other jury gave it 0, and they gave it 12, that is statistically significant.
In 2021 and 2018 when albania and Greece were in the same semi, Greece didnt even give the most jury points to Albania, so its not even a normal pattern
@@ESCTom Albania's songs in 2018 and 2021 were not the ethnic bop genre that is very popular in Greece, and given eleni foureira is Greece's biggest popstar I don't see the 12 to Albania that crazy given it fits the country's taste the most of any other song in the semi. The 10 to bulgaria on the other hand is 100% a case of neighbor voting as that song is pretty much universally considered a no
Isn't it weird that the juries of the Netherlands and Switserland gave eachother 10 points in the final, while in this semi final Switserland only got 7 points of the Netherlands
There are more countries you can vote for in the final and still Switserland got more points. That doesn't make sense
Also Moldova isn't getting any jury points from the Netherlands in this semi while in the final they gave two. How can things change that quick, or are there different juries from a country voting in the final then are in the semi Final? 🇳🇱🇳🇱
I’m so unbelievably proud of Monika, the juries underrated her so much…
yea v surprised her jury was lower than TV
juries are paid to vote 100%
oh god, semi 2 doesn't seem to be the only suspect semi 😬
SF2 is WAY worse
Could one or more person in the Greek jury have accidentally inverted their scores? So they put their least liked song first by mistake, and their best song last? It has happened before.
good point, i checked it just now and it doesnt look like it.
honestly their points are weird. They gave 5 points to spain in the final, but that was cos of 1 person putting it first. otherwise they didnt give any of the other favourites any points. but weve seen that before that countries who are high in the odds dont give others any points.
@@ESCTom OK, thanks. In that case I don't have any more ideas about what happened with Greece's votes.
I like the bops, there was too many ballads, I enjoyed the show but prefer some of the songs that went out in the semis, I think the jury could have less of a say, but that's just my opinion.
last year we had too many bops. 8 qualified in total 😂
@@ESCTom true, I loved it, taste is taste, thank you for your coverage, its intelligent, knowledgeable, honest, but most of all, fun! I will follow you beyond this year! ❤️
There was a cocky smugness in the Latvia performance, but the fact that the Slovenia male band also flopped maybe tells us that semi-final viewers are not into those type of performers or songs. I personally would be worried if Jurors were voting big for a song like Moldova's. I don't want to hate on the song, but there are probably dozen's of bands throughout Europe who could easily write or perform such a song at a local wedding or shindig. However it is simply too basic, even for the ESC.
Am I the only who is not surprised that Lithuania did so much better than Latvia ?? I honestly thought there was no comparison between the two. No shade towards Latvia cause I normally like their entries (yes Triana Park included) but I thought this year was just messy, too much going on on stage and the song just gave me the impression that someone woke up one morning and thought…….so what’s trendy ?…..and what followed was an average song with a confusing message about veganism, recycling and eating “you know what”……just my humble opinion obviously. You are all free to disagree.
As for the Albanian vote……it was pretty clear that they knew their entry was borderlone, and that it will be down to a few votes. So they went for what seemed like the weakest entry. There were a few examples of those on the final night on Saturday too. Pity really but hey it’s all subjective so tactical voting is impossible to prove ultimately.
the weird points from Albania were in the televote, so i reckon that was just a diaspora vote maybe, or maybe a few sim cards.
Albani's jury votes were pretty normal
In my opinion the Latvian song had three big problems: 1.the sound was very dated (it sounds like something from the early 2000s). 2. You had to be able to speak english in order to understand the message of the song (trully great songs are capable of transmiting their message even if you don't speak the language, see Ukraine, Moldova, Serbia, Lithuania etc). 3. Even if you speak english, the ,,joke'' was very lame and childish, which is great for TikTok but not so great for Eurovision.
The bulgarian song feels like a albanian song! (2013)
Maybe the problem with Latvia's song is the lyrics.
I really don't get how Latvia's lyrics were so controversial. Eurovison has always been a super progressive event. Incredibly pro-LGBT. Trans rights. Celebrating diversity. And then, what? Some guys talk about helping the environment and it's suddenly controversial? Really weird.
@@tygret maybe about the P word in the beggining. But also Latvia got more jury points than televote
@@esccat3450 I think it was the public that was offended by the P word and the green message - that's definitely the kind of reaction I've been seeing from ESC fans the last few months. They like the energy and the music but don't like the lyrics.
It didn't surprise me that it did better with the jury who look at the quality of each element and vote for that, and they had a quality performance.
@@tygret I think
"Instead of meat, I eat veggies and pussy
I like them both fresh, like them both juicy"
might not sit well with a lot of people.
@@esccat3450 We're really complaining about 'pussy' when Albania and San Marino's acts exist?
Greek jury should have been disqualified both in semi and final. Clearly strategic, clearly suspicious and just shameful!
those jury points are proper weird. but it doesnt even look like a deal because Albania and Bulgaria just gave average jury points back
Maybe a juror just put it in backwards or the whole score was backwards, just like with the Belarusian vote in 2019. Maybe not even done on purpose, but the EBU should probably correct these results.
@@in_wino_veritas In the final 4 out of 5 jurors gave their 12 to Azerbaijan and the 5th one put them in the second place. No coincidence about that.