How to cable manage your PC like a PRO!

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  • čas přidán 5. 08. 2020
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  • @centralintelligenceagency9003
    @centralintelligenceagency9003 Před 3 lety +4034

    I'd love to cable manage my PC, but every time I open the case the tentacle monster hisses at me.

    • @sethyz8292
      @sethyz8292 Před 3 lety +53

      lmao same

    • @chloekaftan
      @chloekaftan Před 3 lety +102

      What are you nurturing cthulu inside your case?

    • @davekelders283
      @davekelders283 Před 3 lety +113

      Ive got 2 Krakens inside my case... One infront cooling my cpu and one in the casebasement which im terrified off

    • @temdb3939
      @temdb3939 Před 3 lety +54

      *tentacles waving about*
      You: "What are you doing PC-san?"

    • @ap4702
      @ap4702 Před 3 lety +13

      @@davekelders283 case basement is the worst lol

  • @Herbertti3
    @Herbertti3 Před 3 lety +2512

    I picked up small tweezers from my local hardware store.

  • @remzuko808
    @remzuko808 Před 3 lety +988

    Instructions unclear my pc is now filled with rocks and sand

  • @angurishudesu
    @angurishudesu Před rokem +446

    - Remove cables from power supply
    - Plug cables to the ports on the motherboard (except sata because its brittle) to provide an eagle eye view of where things are
    - Start with managing major connections first, then move to smaller connections (provides order in the chaos of the wires)
    - Dont let cables fly over each other (otherwise it adds height, making it harder to close the back panel)
    - Dont be afraid to make adjustments to the back side of the case if need be
    - Make sure to use zip ties and electrical tape
    - When connecting the now organized wires into the power supply, start from the bottom-up ("bottom" as in the wires that go into the bottom of the PSU)

    • @altairibnlaahad6838
      @altairibnlaahad6838 Před rokem +3

      I can't remove cables from power supply

    • @redmatrix
      @redmatrix Před rokem +24

      @@altairibnlaahad6838 Then you don't have a modular PSU.

    • @HaggisDruid
      @HaggisDruid Před rokem +13

      ​@@altairibnlaahad6838 Get rekt

    • @Cap0verkil
      @Cap0verkil Před rokem

      What’s the recommended size of cable ties to use for computer cable management?

    • @chiralvandal
      @chiralvandal Před rokem +7

      @@Cap0verkil I used stuff that was approx 10cm but any size is good if you have a cutter. If you buy small ones and you have a larger mass, just zip tie one to another to get a longer zip tie!
      Make sure they’re black though :)

  • @KarimMohamed-kg3dg
    @KarimMohamed-kg3dg Před 3 lety +507

    Can we appreciate that Jay is showing where to plug cables while cable managing. This is part is usually ignored in most of builds and cable management tutorials. Keep up the great work man!

    • @ItsDeaconYT
      @ItsDeaconYT Před rokem +6

      I have had my PC for 6 years and gone through 2 complete upgrades and still have been putting off cable management haha, mostly because I have a small space and it gets cramped quickly.

    • @OrganicTrash
      @OrganicTrash Před 11 měsíci +2

      follow your manual

  • @r1chard077
    @r1chard077 Před 3 lety +117

    My PC is like a mullet. Business in the front, party in the back.

  • @gordonwhitlock9697
    @gordonwhitlock9697 Před 2 lety +392

    A great tip-buy coloured cable ties. Use say yellow on fans and blue on drives and red on gpu cables. That really helps when you turn the cabinet around to follow the correct cable when making changes later!

    • @wolphin732
      @wolphin732 Před 2 lety +9

      One issue: only black zip ties are UV stable. the other colours could have an issue with getting brittle over time.

    • @gordonwhitlock9697
      @gordonwhitlock9697 Před 2 lety +37

      @@wolphin732 True, but my PC is inside, protected from UV by glass in my house windows-I assume this is true for the majority of PC's.

    • @wolphin732
      @wolphin732 Před 2 lety +1

      @@gordonwhitlock9697 Some White LEDs output some UV light, and some people use UV lights in their make, for action with UV reactive fluids or covers.

    • @AnarexicSumo
      @AnarexicSumo Před 2 lety +17

      @@wolphin732 They produce it but it's blocked by the shroud and a yellow phosphor layer. The only LEDs that emit meaningful UV are designed to emit UV light.

    • @anselrod5699
      @anselrod5699 Před 2 lety +9

      @@AnarexicSumo used small black ties everywhere. If you want to cable identify, place a cable identified tag at both connector ends.

  • @Riidher
    @Riidher Před rokem +28

    Before building my first computer I had watched dozens and dozens of videos on how to build your computer. Feeling somewhat good about what I was going to do, I said, " OK, let's do it. Until it came time to hook it all up. I panicked because none of those videos ever mentioned anything about what goes where. This is The Best video I have ever seen on cable management. Great job Jay!

  • @catsozen
    @catsozen Před 3 lety +2074

    Jayz: you wanna go to your local hardware to buy some...
    Me: tweezers.
    Jayz: zipties.
    Me: goddammit verge...

  • @Drdrew1234
    @Drdrew1234 Před 3 lety +220

    “Not like me, like a pro” Jay that is basically the joke I was going to make

    • @SenorCluck
      @SenorCluck Před 3 lety +2

      yeah, he’s better than the pros, he’s not telling us his secrets.

  • @kylestewart4444
    @kylestewart4444 Před 3 lety +140

    I actually enjoy managing cables just as much as installing the actual parts. I like working with my hands and organizing things so cable management isn’t really a chore or a hassle to me. It’s pretty relaxing. I take my time with it and treat it like a puzzle.

    • @fidonol
      @fidonol Před rokem +15

      I agree, and when it's finished you get a nice feeling of satisfaction and are proud of yourself

    • @kahzzyy1858
      @kahzzyy1858 Před rokem +2

      You need your files checking

    • @Suavissimo
      @Suavissimo Před rokem +8

      If more people stopped and considered having your kind of attitude, the world would be a better place. 😁👍

    • @Noscope-cg9cz
      @Noscope-cg9cz Před rokem +4

      Last week a spent a couple hours managing the inside of my case and felt great to get it looking nice, but the back panel side looks like trash so I want to start over again

    • @keryjr785
      @keryjr785 Před rokem +3

      i work on cars usually. big clunky parts. building a pc for my daughter is a nightmare! everything is so fragile and small.... 😭

  • @Lancelt666
    @Lancelt666 Před 3 lety +30

    I'll rewatch this like 10 times and my build will still look like goddamn bomb mechanism.

  • @Lifeislife102
    @Lifeislife102 Před 3 lety +352

    How to cable manage 101: cut the cords off all your parts. Now you have managed your cables!

    • @Lucian_Andries
      @Lucian_Andries Před 3 lety +30

      iFixit now comes with Scissors... Turn everything wireless! 🤣🤣

    • @zoofl8947
      @zoofl8947 Před 3 lety +5

      It works

    • @THEpicND
      @THEpicND Před 3 lety +17

      Just get a Bluetooth power supply

    • @zoofl8947
      @zoofl8947 Před 3 lety +9

      Dont forget to over clock ur wireless power supply

    • @Seventhsu
      @Seventhsu Před 3 lety +3

      Instructions unclear, pc does not POST anymore

  • @enzocarioni2522
    @enzocarioni2522 Před 3 lety +383

    Jayz: “So I like to plug everything in where they need to be plugged in first, and THEN in the power supply”
    Me: *Cries in non modular PSU*

    • @jonahwilhelm8409
      @jonahwilhelm8409 Před 3 lety +14

      Same. That's what we get for being cheap

    • @geovanygalvan3086
      @geovanygalvan3086 Před 3 lety +9

      Me: cries in tight budget

    • @smoke1659
      @smoke1659 Před 3 lety +5

      There are plenty of cheap Modular PSUs Out there tho‘. Considering you don‘t buy a cheap no-name 1000Watt for 10$ Bullshit PSU, which no one should even consider....

    • @maxrider183
      @maxrider183 Před 3 lety +5

      Need a quality 100$, 650 watt 80+ gold fully modular psu? Warning this thing is insane just look at the reviews here: Phanteks AMP Series 650W 80PLUS Gold

    • @arc5540
      @arc5540 Před 3 lety

      can anyone help? i need my psu to go in from the side instead form the back in like the video demnstrates. for me this is not possible because the mounting holes are obviously smaller so it is not possible to put in the cooler from the back.

  • @GuyManley
    @GuyManley Před 2 lety +18

    After watching this, I actually took my system apart twice recently. Got a new GPU then later a new case. I never even thought of cable management before. I'm so proud of my effort and happy with the results.

  • @Average_Joe27
    @Average_Joe27 Před rokem +32

    I'm definitely that first time builder who just wanted it to work and said I'll get to it later. I'll be watching this guide as I reroute everything thanks always Jay!

    • @773Garage
      @773Garage Před rokem

      Same with me 🤣 I am getting a new case soon, so hopefully it will look a bit better

    • @MV-ri7zu
      @MV-ri7zu Před rokem +3

      The trick is to get a massive case.

    • @Average_Joe27
      @Average_Joe27 Před rokem +1

      @@MV-ri7zu mine ain't massive but it fits everything very well

  • @ankaij6980
    @ankaij6980 Před 3 lety +24

    Starts with a Corsair ad, then immediately starts bad mouthing Corsair's Commander Pro. I'm Lovin' it.

  • @GlasgowLaptops1
    @GlasgowLaptops1 Před 3 lety +458

    I want to see "How to cable manage your PC like a PRO!" in a cheap budget rgb case that has no headroom, no dedicated cable routers and a non modular PSU!!!

    • @ScabrosusLupus
      @ScabrosusLupus Před 3 lety +34

      I second this. Corsair spec 04. 4x LL120. Rgb strip. Fan hub, commander pro. I've gone through my case so many times to try make it cleaned and easier but so far it's not happening xD

    • @Klffsj
      @Klffsj Před 3 lety +1

      Lots of zip ties and velcrow straps. Some cable harnesses might be good too...

    • @ScabrosusLupus
      @ScabrosusLupus Před 3 lety +10

      @@Klffsj I'm using pretty much every anchor point. Zip ties for bunching cables. Vstraps to lock it tight to the case. Even my OCD is struggling xD

    • @GlasgowLaptops1
      @GlasgowLaptops1 Před 3 lety +16

      Yeah Cable mgt isn't difficult in a case like above or even a good budget case that has been well thought out and leaves you space to manage in (Phanteks P350x)........But for the first time builder, who hasn't thought how important the case might be in terms of making the build easier and airflow, and bought a budget 50 quid mid tower case that already includes a couple of RGB fans, because they want to spend that extra money on their cpu or gpu. So they end up trying to do their first time build in a case that has no headroom to run cables over the top of MB unless you try to run them before fitting the board, where the 2.5inch SSD mount is inside the case and your 3.5 is in the shroud bay, a case that has less than a 1cm gap between backplate and back cover, and the cables that are already in the case are a mess (weird lengths) before you start building. Not to mention that the standoffs for the motherboard don't quite line up no matter what you do. Then you have a non modular PSU running Sata to the inside SSD and below to the HDD and molex running to power the fans - THATS THE BUILD I WANT TO SEE CABLE MANAGED LIKE A PRO. #ChallengeJayzTwoCents

    • @nickpickerwi7787
      @nickpickerwi7787 Před 3 lety +18

      Tips for a case with no cable management:
      Route thin cables (i.e. front panel, maybe fans, etc.) behind the motherboard. Linus showed me this, and it's an awesome trick.
      If there's no tie points for zip ties, make some. Route visible cables along the edges of the motherboard for the cleanest look...but before you install everything, install the motherboard, and mark pairs of holes in the motherboard tray along a track just off the edge, where you want the cables to route. Take the mobo out, drill the holes, clean up the shavings, and use black nail polish to cover the bare metal of the holes. Put zip ties through the holes with the "hub" of the zip tie on the back side. Size the holes so the "hubs" can't fall through the holes.

  • @CGE10
    @CGE10 Před rokem +8

    I've recently started using cable ties instead of zip ties. In the past my builds were more zip ties than pc, however being able to just quickly undo the cable tie and redo it as needed, has been a life changer every time I quickly want to fiddle inside with cables in my pc or even change my radiator location. My current build doesn't have a single zip tie and I love it.

  • @RK-ql8ue
    @RK-ql8ue Před 2 lety +96

    Thanks Jay and crew! Just did my first build in 11yrs plus first time with RGB. I sorta managed the cables to get a test boot done but it was still driving me nuts so I sat down with this video and redid all the cables and I'm much happier now with how it all turned out.

  • @parshadsabara5085
    @parshadsabara5085 Před 3 lety +298

    Jay: video sponsored by corsair..
    5 seconds later : I hate the way corsair makes their cases..

    • @ariannoshirvani4259
      @ariannoshirvani4259 Před 3 lety +18

      Corsair : that's not very cash money of you

    • @martinbraathen7734
      @martinbraathen7734 Před 3 lety +14

      He didnt hate their cases, but the commander pro

    • @Juncboks
      @Juncboks Před 3 lety +1

      @@martinbraathen7734 technically not even the commander, he just doesn't like the way they work their cords. The commander just happens to have a lot of them. Just honesty; not a bad company or bad quality, just sub-perfect cord accommodations. 🤷‍♂️

    • @Qalibrated
      @Qalibrated Před 3 lety

      @@martinbraathen7734 I had 3 Corsair LL120's 'cause i thought they looked nice. They really did but because of their crappy proprietary connectors and the lighting node pro + fanhub they came with, the cabling was a hot mess and the node pro & fanhub took up so much unnecessary space. Ended up selling them and getting some non-addressable RGB fans (as i always have static color anyway) and they came with standard 4-pin that connects directly to the mobo. Also saved me from having to use iCue lmao iCue is great, in theory, but a lot of the time it works like ass, like most RGB software

  • @xLukaz
    @xLukaz Před 3 lety +761

    You forgot the Swiss Army knife that hopefully has a screwdriver.

    • @sudo3915
      @sudo3915 Před 3 lety +35

      And a gallon of thermal paste for each time we breath

    • @drunken69dragon
      @drunken69dragon Před 3 lety +15

      Add the case fans/case that pull air from the 5th dimension that GN did a review of and we got a winner

    • @sremik
      @sremik Před 3 lety +5

      "Anyone with any system can do this!"
      Me with case with no back compartment for cablemanagement: are you sure about that.

    • @TheGremlinsParadise
      @TheGremlinsParadise Před 3 lety

      It ain't a Swiss Army Pocket Knife if it ain't got a screwdriver!
      That would be called a rip off.

    • @hy3r691
      @hy3r691 Před 3 lety +2

      @@TheGremlinsParadise it's a reference to a video

  • @rmslacrosse44
    @rmslacrosse44 Před rokem +38

    An alternative for zip ties are the twist ties you get off of a loaf of bread. I liked zip ties until the first time I had to clean and upgrade my pc. Twist ties work great because you can actually take out what you need without messing up your previous cable management and it’s less waste because you don’t have to replace the zip tie. Just untwist take the cable you need and twist it back up.

  • @WhompingWalrus
    @WhompingWalrus Před rokem +28

    I wish I'd had a father like this dude.

  • @seth4321
    @seth4321 Před 3 lety +42

    Jay, this video was so helpful. Thanks so much for making this one. It couldn't have came at a better time. I'm building a new PC for my dad next week and cable management was a thing I specifically wanted to nail down. Thanks again!

  • @YotaNinja
    @YotaNinja Před 3 lety +48

    1:47 For anyone curious, they're called Flush Cuts, and they make it so your zip ties won't cut your hands up after you cut the excess away. They're amazing to own.

  • @robertbeste
    @robertbeste Před 3 lety +57

    I'm really starting to love this channel. It's really helped me take my PC build from something that works to something I'm proud of.

  • @blinkonceonsunday1325
    @blinkonceonsunday1325 Před 2 lety +15

    I like these kinds of "how to" videos. There are lots of videos about hardware benchmarks and stuff, but something like cable management is often overlooked by many computer enthusiasts. These tips are useful for real-world situations.

    • @zeroch1ll150
      @zeroch1ll150 Před 2 lety +3

      Because a lot of them just do what we do....push and close.

  • @gtd1783
    @gtd1783 Před 3 lety +98

    My cable management is such a rats nest that I need an exterminator to “cable manage” my pc

    • @vivaanfr
      @vivaanfr Před 3 lety +3

      same 😂 like legit my rig has cables right in front of my gpu

    • @bdog1824
      @bdog1824 Před 3 lety +1

      Same

    • @nickgrif2143
      @nickgrif2143 Před 3 lety +1

      @intempify tried to go for a meshify C, coming from an enthoo pro... those sleeved cables man....i want to go back to full tower again

    • @vamwolf
      @vamwolf Před 3 lety

      Front is clean... Back of case rat nest. Due to parts and sort cabling

  • @JockMcBile
    @JockMcBile Před 3 lety +59

    I'm very glad you did this video. As someone, who has been to scared to build a system myself. I can learn a lot from this video, and get closer to doing it on my own. Thank you.

    • @Codefortyseven
      @Codefortyseven Před 3 lety +11

      Hey, I'm about to do my fourth build (well, actually upgrading my current system from Intel to AMD, which means a lot of tearing down) and I'm quite nervous still. But it gets easier with experience, you just have to start from somewhere. You'll be fine, I'm sure of it.

    • @deadchannel5933
      @deadchannel5933 Před 3 lety +2

      @@Codefortyseven Oops I misread something ignore my sent comment which I deleted

    • @Codefortyseven
      @Codefortyseven Před 3 lety

      @@deadchannel5933 Ok, I didn't even see your comment on time. What was it about? I'm curious now since you mentioned it.

    • @deadchannel5933
      @deadchannel5933 Před 3 lety +3

      @@Codefortyseven Lmao I misread "upgrading my current system from Intel to AMD" I misread and I saw "upgrading my current system *from AMD to Intel"*
      And I sent a hate comment saying that switching from AMD to Intel is downgrading not upgrading, but then I realised you actually said from Intel to AMD and I deleted the hate comment lol
      Good job going for AMD!

    • @Codefortyseven
      @Codefortyseven Před 3 lety

      @@deadchannel5933 I probably wouldn't call that a hate comment but I see your point deleting the comment.

  • @xtranathor8143
    @xtranathor8143 Před 11 měsíci

    I'm using a Corsair Commander (x2) in my build and have come here for help with cable management. I'm so glad you called out Corsair - I'm crying out in relief with a lot of your comments as they match my experience. Thanks to this video, I feel more confident putting in the extra work to use zip ties and tidy things up. Thank you!

  • @kulisap8427
    @kulisap8427 Před 3 lety +7

    I should've been reviewing for my nurse assisting exam but man, I learned alot from you tonight.

  • @NZXTglobal
    @NZXTglobal Před 3 lety +1094

    20:20
    This is how the year has been

  • @GMamba
    @GMamba Před 2 lety +4

    22:19 Wow! I finally understand what those statics from my speaker are caused by! I’ve never expected it to be the HD audio connector. Thanks for mentioning these details!

  • @Wintermist-SWE
    @Wintermist-SWE Před 3 lety +117

    I manage myself by not looking inside my case...

  • @gabiballetje
    @gabiballetje Před 3 lety +27

    You can get great angled plugs for stuff like 24-pin and USB-3 and also for GPU power plugs in whatever type of connector, and angled either way, depending on the layout of your GPU/MOBO/USB layout etc. That way stuff goes to the side and not up first, or even down immediately, it can make it all look very clean and minimal.
    I also tend to more velcro strap that you can shorten, or those reusable zipties, just because while planning you might have to redo stuff a lot, and makes it easier later if you add stuff or need to remove stuff because something died etc.
    And since i have the overused black/red theme, red cables with black straps/zipties and vice versa.

    • @Suavissimo
      @Suavissimo Před rokem

      Not to mention angled SATA plugs-the connector type whose fragility Jay makes a point of mentioning.

  • @embedyt
    @embedyt Před 3 lety +17

    I feel like a real PC builder. I'm watching every building guide on CZcams so I know what to do when I build my pc next week

    • @MerolaC
      @MerolaC Před 3 lety +2

      Good luck with it!

    • @jakepratt203
      @jakepratt203 Před 3 lety +1

      embed good luck, I’ve got like 6 months worth of saving up to do. feels bad

    • @googlehelpdesk
      @googlehelpdesk Před 3 lety

      @@jakepratt203 Use the second stimulus check that's coming in

    • @jakepratt203
      @jakepratt203 Před 3 lety

      First name Last name yeah nah idk man im 15 in a month and from australia, idk if we get a second stimulus check

    • @Joker-no1fz
      @Joker-no1fz Před 3 lety

      you can add me on discord if u need help. be careful mounting CPU. thats the most dangerous part to install. as far as destroying stuff. make sure you reference your mother board manual.

  • @lesliesavage9229
    @lesliesavage9229 Před 3 lety +4

    An expert is somebody who knows more than you do about something, and you are clearly an expert at cable managing. Thanks for the video.

  • @gerardminor5001
    @gerardminor5001 Před 3 lety

    i havnt been in the pc game long but i have noticed the sense of humor you guys mostly all seem to have and i enjoy nerding out in my free time and whatch alot of this type of stuff and for me whos meds do me wrong most of the time its nice to find the humor where i can find it and it never hurts to learn what i can do to my rig

  • @megsmith6758
    @megsmith6758 Před 3 lety +514

    I have started building my first ever pc, looked at the wires connecting the colour changing fans, got scared and packed up for the day 😂

    • @sassy_gamer7899
      @sassy_gamer7899 Před 3 lety +18

      Ye my fans are messy af I have 12 impossible to manage

    • @DeadDrop6109
      @DeadDrop6109 Před 3 lety +2

      This

    • @Cccoast
      @Cccoast Před 2 lety +8

      I literally did that my first time too. Now it’s kind of a fun… I embraced the nonsense hahah 😂

    • @wootle
      @wootle Před 2 lety +13

      This will be me. Never ever built before but plan to for my next rig. One thing scares me the most - fitting the processor. I already have nightmares about bent pins / dropping it etc.

    • @isaacaquilina6541
      @isaacaquilina6541 Před 2 lety +21

      @@wootle i’ve just built my first ever pc and don’t worry about the cpu at all it’s probably one of the easiest parts i had to install

  • @jolness1
    @jolness1 Před 3 lety +11

    My old boss told me one time when we were installing a switch rack, "Zip Ties are Cheap, use as many as you need to make it look as good as possible"
    There is definitely a point where it is too much but people are often trying to just use a few zip ties for the whole build but to make it look A++ you have to use more than that usually.

    • @Tigerskunk
      @Tigerskunk Před 3 lety +2

      Did have my boss too?
      Had a job where I had a customer remodel their office, add several rooms, all into a new server room. Converting them from 100Mb to 1Gb networks. Had 5 switches with 48 connections each full and a 6th to connect 5 servers to the rest. This was when 1G was new.
      Took 2 days in a room with no ac to punch the panels and run all the cables. Zipped up nice.
      By 3 months all the switches failed and recalled. Got new switches but the ports where not in the same spots. Had to cut so many zip ties and replace cables with longer. 🤬

    • @stevesteveo4191
      @stevesteveo4191 Před 3 lety +3

      I order my zip ties in 200k units

    • @louiefriesen
      @louiefriesen Před 3 lety +2

      Then your boss fired you for using $9206 worth of zip ties...
      Just kidding XD

    • @Klffsj
      @Klffsj Před 3 lety +2

      @@Tigerskunk That's why I recommend velcro straps more than zip ties. Zip ties are better for smaller bundles of cable, but they should definitely be limited when cables are likely to move, especially since you have to be careful about cutting wires by accident.

    • @Tigerskunk
      @Tigerskunk Před 3 lety +2

      @@Klffsj I agree but work only had zip ties. But I use velcro alot now.

  • @1nfiniteloop
    @1nfiniteloop Před 3 lety +3

    Just watched this video 3x over now to make sure I got all the tips noted! I've been building PC's for 20 years or so, I thought this video was great, I learnt some new tips and tricks so this video was definitely worth making, thanks Jay, TWO thumbs UP ! ;) PS I really like the approach of working your way back to the Power Supply last - seeing you get to that part of the video was satisfying to see how it all makes sense with your approach. Love it. Will be doing this on my next build!

  • @siideshow.z1308
    @siideshow.z1308 Před 3 lety +5

    Thank you so much for doing this I feel much more confident upgrading my pc and managing the cables now your a life saver definitely subscribing after this ❤️👍

  • @juanburmeister1905
    @juanburmeister1905 Před 3 lety +3

    Hey Jay. Thanks for this. I like this more for what the case is capable of regarding cable management. Wish I could see more cases in depth like this as this is a factor for me when buying a case.

  • @StefanEtienneTheVerrgeRep
    @StefanEtienneTheVerrgeRep Před 3 lety +16

    A popular misconception is that wires are supposed to be close together. But that in turns causes the heat to gather and overheat the wires which can cause a fire risk. Wires should be sprawled all over the place like pubes.

    • @sidranshu
      @sidranshu Před 3 lety +5

      If your wires are creating heat, the gauge was insufficient for the current load being drawn/supplied.

    • @DreamingAnonymous
      @DreamingAnonymous Před 3 lety +1

      You couldn't have used a different analogy

    • @JDillander91
      @JDillander91 Před 3 lety

      Luke Miller nah that worked.

    • @xenonram
      @xenonram Před 3 lety +2

      @@sidranshu All wires create heat. It's just an issue if they create TOO MUCH heat.

    • @sidranshu
      @sidranshu Před 3 lety

      @@xenonram yes, very true. Thanks for the clarification.

  • @DeepakGopalV
    @DeepakGopalV Před 2 lety

    Found out the hard way today why cable management is important. 4 years back when I built my first PC, I stuffed all cables into a dark corner. Last week my PC won't boot suddenly. Looked like a PSU failure so I ordered a new PSU and it had the same issue. After a long time of debugging, found out that the SATA power cable that was sitting in the dark corner since 4 years broke internally and was shorting the PSU. Replaced the cable and it started working! I bought a new case and will pay proper attention to cable management this time. Thanks Jay and crew for the video!

  • @cazschiller
    @cazschiller Před 2 lety

    Just finished a new build, this video continues to be a great resource! Thanks Jay and fam!!!!

  • @Ally-ve3wt
    @Ally-ve3wt Před 3 lety +69

    The incredible moment when Jay teaches us something he could never teach himself.

  • @33MR
    @33MR Před 3 lety +24

    I'm so excited to enter pc community

    • @caseyl5001
      @caseyl5001 Před 3 lety +4

      Welcome!

    • @ericwang6292
      @ericwang6292 Před 3 lety +2

      Congrats on joining the PC Master Race

    • @33MR
      @33MR Před 3 lety

      Thank you guys 🌷
      What GPU is better with
      Ryzen 5 3600
      Rx5600 xt or 1660 S

    • @i-heck
      @i-heck Před 3 lety +3

      @@33MR might wanna go for 5600

    • @christopheranderson8704
      @christopheranderson8704 Před 3 lety

      O ALAWFY yeah 5600xt drivers were bad but now everything seems fine so that’s definitely the better budget option

  • @Raphael-jz6nf
    @Raphael-jz6nf Před 2 lety

    JayzTwoCents
    Thanks for this video!
    I put all my new components into my computer, X570 crosshair Viii formula, AMD 5950x, Corsair Vengeance 3200 LPX 128 GB, sabrent m.2 nvme 1tb and I used my old xfx R9 270x graphic cards. My coolermaster haf 932 case originally has 3 230mm fans and a 1 140mm exhaust and I switched them all out with 4 120mm side panel, 3 120mm on top, 1 120mm front and a 140mm ARGB exhaust plus a Thermaltake rgb 1200w grand full mogular power supply. I finally cable managed it the right way this time I am very proud of myself it looks great..

  • @archaeologistify
    @archaeologistify Před 3 lety +1

    I really needed this, because I'm going to be building a PC for (with) my younger sister and later for myself. Also the vid was very relaxing and satisfying. Subscribed.

  • @NinO12752
    @NinO12752 Před 3 lety +69

    Had to laugh at he Corsair a500 promotion, as Steve said "it's a benchmark for coldplate imperfection".

  • @humbledrage9922
    @humbledrage9922 Před 3 lety +167

    This going to be my first Build I’m too Scared but with the power of CZcams and your channel I think I’ll be able to pull it off 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

    • @FableValo
      @FableValo Před 3 lety +16

      Right with you bro, we’re in this together. Furiously scouring jayz channel for pc building tips. 😂

    • @littlerugrat6107
      @littlerugrat6107 Před 3 lety +18

      @@FableValo Don't fret it's really easy! cable management is really the only part that's a little difficult but like the video says just some planning and routing, it will be fine.

    • @iseverynametakenwtf1
      @iseverynametakenwtf1 Před 3 lety +9

      did you die? did it work?

    • @littlerugrat6107
      @littlerugrat6107 Před 3 lety +39

      @@iseverynametakenwtf1 He sadly has passed away from horrible cable management.

    • @iseverynametakenwtf1
      @iseverynametakenwtf1 Před 3 lety +1

      @@littlerugrat6107 just wondered if he got shocked and died. I'm kind of worried that there has not been any update for quite some time. Shall we commence the mourning?

  • @Valianthus
    @Valianthus Před 2 lety +1

    Superbly done, Jay! I am so envious of the craftsmanship! Really wish I could do it like how you did. Thanks for sharing the video. Cheers!

  • @l3eant0wn02110
    @l3eant0wn02110 Před 2 lety +9

    This was just the type of refresher that I needed while I prepare to build my new rig. Thanks Jay!

  • @gothmedicine
    @gothmedicine Před 3 lety +193

    I've watched this 1 day after spending 6 hours cable managing like a noob.

    • @lonefrontranger
      @lonefrontranger Před 3 lety +21

      Tom Engels same, I built my first system two weeks ago and spent about four hours crying, drinking and trying to puzzle through video guides attempting to wire together a nzxt aio and case

    • @RevanBC
      @RevanBC Před 3 lety +13

      @@lonefrontranger first system is always stressful.

    • @WestCoastMole
      @WestCoastMole Před 3 lety +4

      Tom there is no way around the fact that good cable management takes time and patience....LOTS OF IT. Jay condensed 2 hours of work down into a 30 minute video. His effort was directed towards cleaning up the component side (read motherboard) of the chassis. And in this respect he accomplished his goal. However the back side of the chassis while acceptable left a great deal to be desired. There are clips that can be purchased to fasten cable bunches in a straight row to make them lay flush. If that is feasible Cable Bunches should be organized in rectangular or circular configurations. For low conductor count cables if you have an excess length to be managed find a round about way to the connector using right angle bends. Doubling back on a run looks amateurish. Obvious there isn't much one can do with an excess length of a 24 pin cable. That will undoubted have to be packed in the bottom of the case. Tucking the excess in a drive bay is one unique trick. As I want to keep this type of bundle as far out of sight as possible I look to locate it as deep as possible inside the Power Supply Bay. In short while Jay did a good job accomplishing the goal he set for himself I can still see another 2 to 4 hours that could be devoted towards cable management on this build.

    • @x-coin6740
      @x-coin6740 Před 3 lety

      @@RevanBC I always half have a panic attack right before the first press of the power button cause you just don't know if it's gonna post or not 😬

    • @Chill_Please
      @Chill_Please Před 3 lety

      @@lonefrontranger exactly what I've been doing the last 3 days D:

  • @grassnake7able
    @grassnake7able Před 3 lety +102

    "Anyone with any system can do this!"
    Me with case with no back compartment for cablemanagement: are you sure about that.

    • @ChaosTherum
      @ChaosTherum Před 3 lety +15

      I've pulled off some pretty clean cable management without space behind the motherboard. Look up some cable management videos from circa 2010 before having space behind the motherboard became common.

    • @ADCFproductions
      @ADCFproductions Před 3 lety +6

      you can still do it. i did it to my case back in the 2000s. sure it doesn't look this clean, but there's always some things you can do :P

    • @stiefjac5082
      @stiefjac5082 Před 3 lety

      i feel like alot of people bring up the back compartments but i think the number 1 game changer for cable management is the fully modular PSUs because it allows you to see where each components' wiring will come from, typically i like to go "bottom up", installing the components one at a time and running the necessary wiring based on where they connect on the psu. You wouldn't start typing a paper in Word in the middle of a page half way in the center. you start at a "corner" and go from there because its easier to streamline the information

    • @stiefjac5082
      @stiefjac5082 Před 3 lety +1

      scratch that, just got to the 4 and a half minute mark and he basically said that's what he does too, much easier process if you have a fully modular psu tho

    • @luisenriqueperezperez3193
      @luisenriqueperezperez3193 Před 3 lety +4

      Simple, use the DVD Cage and the hard drive cage to your advantage. That is how I cable managed a Dell Optiplex gaming PC, I removed the drive cage and essentially used the DVD cage as my Cable Management Center from where the cables came out of.

  • @jordanvanhoosier779
    @jordanvanhoosier779 Před 3 lety +1

    I've only built one PC but what I've done was manage the cables as you put the components in. It also allows you to organize which cable goes to which component.

  • @raziddqd2272
    @raziddqd2272 Před rokem +1

    You probably won't see this, but I'm a console gamer and as all my friends are moving to PC I will follow! And feel like I owe you a thank you! SO much information and you make it seam a bit more approachable. I wish you all the best!

  • @metalwolfy82
    @metalwolfy82 Před 3 lety +2

    I would always build everything first without caring about the cable management, make sure it boots and is stable. Only once I was happy would i spend the time cable tidying like this.
    Would love to see you tackle a corsair RGB system, as you say thats a lot of cables!

  • @GalacticBruh_75
    @GalacticBruh_75 Před rokem +27

    Jay I don’t know if you look at your old videos at all but thanks for all the content you make, you help out new pc builders like myself and I can’t imagine the amount of people that you’ve saved with your content, whether it’s money saving or just saving peoples sanity lol, keep up the good work and I loved the part in the video where you said “how are you gonna teach people like a bro when you’re an idiot” over 3 little wires 😂😂

  • @marcin__z
    @marcin__z Před 2 lety

    my go-to cable management tools (I use most, if not all, of these for any/every task involving more than 1 cable, not just in my PC builds): braided split wire loom tubing + zip ties + flush cutters + Tesa loom harness tape (black fuzzy tape) or velcro straps. I try to use cable labels when I can too.

  • @Lewis22222
    @Lewis22222 Před rokem

    Thanks jay for this video, really helped me turn from novice to semi-pro in managing my cables for my build. Great video, highly recommend

  • @alessandrotorrisi3041
    @alessandrotorrisi3041 Před 3 lety +33

    Jayz: not like me, like a pro.
    always Jayz: well i don't do it that way

  • @sacha2726
    @sacha2726 Před 3 lety +5

    Kind of fantastic! I learnt more in this half-an-hour than in my last 23 years of adding/modding/changing components in PCs. Lots of useful tips. Thanksalot, man.

  • @user-fw9jd8mz9e
    @user-fw9jd8mz9e Před 3 měsíci

    Awesome video very thorough and also love the camera/video settings, looked amazing. Thanks for this.

  • @Reborn627
    @Reborn627 Před 3 lety

    Thanks Jay! I have a Thermal take v250 case that bites for cable management. You're process of mobo before psu is going to help me clean up the mess that I've made in the back panel. 👍

  • @mercury6814
    @mercury6814 Před 3 lety +33

    Cable managing these kind of cases is so easy, could you make a cable management tutorial with a crappy case? that would really help

    • @muzallisam5068
      @muzallisam5068 Před 3 lety

      I have a cheap China tempered glass case mid tower case. With a semi modular psu. Had to get creative in cable management.

    • @Cr4ZzZy
      @Cr4ZzZy Před 3 lety +1

      I have the same case and it’s not that easy if you are a beginner.

    • @chonzzza
      @chonzzza Před 3 lety +2

      It's not as easy as he makes it look like...It still a really delicate work, that tip with the sata cable is a good example

  • @nightfox6738
    @nightfox6738 Před 2 lety +3

    Great tutorial on cable management! I'd personally like to see some combs on the 24 pin cable and maybe the pci-e at the graphics card but other than that looks pretty nice!

  • @rxippy1082
    @rxippy1082 Před 2 lety

    I actually did this about 2 times after I built my pc a couple days ago and I gotta say lots of trial and error but it’s so clean now, I don’t regret it

  • @BrandondoodGames
    @BrandondoodGames Před 6 měsíci

    my favorite thing about your channel is the totally relatable small mental breakdowns during any project. thanks to all of you for such a great channel

  • @teddyg5936
    @teddyg5936 Před 3 lety +47

    "Stuffing Rocks and Sand into our system is what we do"
    funny cause it is literal and figurative

    • @takyondon7915
      @takyondon7915 Před 3 lety +3

      I might be dumb for asking this, but how is it literal?

    • @ArturoTabera
      @ArturoTabera Před 3 lety +3

      @@takyondon7915 Electronic chips are made of Silicon which is basically sand: czcams.com/video/_VMYPLXnd7E/video.html
      By rocks he means PC components which are mostly square shaped.

  • @KennirocksKennirocks
    @KennirocksKennirocks Před 3 lety +4

    The "small side cutters" are also called "flush cutters" or "flush cuts", if anyone has trouble looking them up.

  • @ernestorodriguez3182
    @ernestorodriguez3182 Před 2 lety +1

    This is interesting and inspiring to build my PC in a new case. Thank you for your great tips on this tutorial
    The case that I wanted to use is the Corsair 5000D Airflow Tempered Glass

  • @rknine7998
    @rknine7998 Před 2 lety +1

    The *cable neatness* of this video further advertises me in my computer hardware journey.

  • @KMCVE2216
    @KMCVE2216 Před 3 lety +29

    You’re the man Jay, appreciate all your content. Getting ready to do my first build.

    • @doomenjoyer8815
      @doomenjoyer8815 Před 3 lety +5

      Same here

    • @Misttt
      @Misttt Před 3 lety +2

      Best of luck! Enjoy :)

    • @Victor-dq9vc
      @Victor-dq9vc Před 3 lety +4

      Same, dude. I'm nervous AF

    • @nycto102
      @nycto102 Před 3 lety +2

      Same man, have fun with yours

    • @brendanvonblanckensee
      @brendanvonblanckensee Před 3 lety +1

      About to build my first also.. building in a phanteks evolve shift, not quite as much room to work with 🙈

  • @Jasruler
    @Jasruler Před 2 lety +9

    I’ve been building computers for ages now but this was still helpful. Motivated me to stop procrastinating and finally manage my new build since it got a bunch of new fans. Good content jay!

  • @Baby_boodle
    @Baby_boodle Před 3 lety

    Thank you for the help Jay! This was a very useful video to watch.

  • @travis8106
    @travis8106 Před rokem

    This really helped me figure out upgrading my power supply and case fans. Thanks Jay!

  • @coopdog2876
    @coopdog2876 Před 3 lety +75

    I like how he roasts his sponsor

  • @louiefriesen
    @louiefriesen Před 3 lety +143

    "Do as I say, not as I do" -Linus

    • @sopcannon
      @sopcannon Před 3 lety +3

      you spelt Lienus wrong. LOL

    • @yuval1405
      @yuval1405 Před 3 lety +4

      @@sopcannon he spelt it right are you dumb?

    • @azadragibnehal2132
      @azadragibnehal2132 Před 3 lety

      @@yuval1405 r/woooosh

    • @yuval1405
      @yuval1405 Před 3 lety +1

      @@azadragibnehal2132 you used woooosh wrong

    • @yuval1405
      @yuval1405 Před 3 lety

      @Lalle SH did you mean to tag @sopcannon?

  • @abdullahal-shimri3091
    @abdullahal-shimri3091 Před 3 lety

    Beautiful. I just swapped cases yesterday now need to find time to arrange my cables.

  • @MonkWithoutACause
    @MonkWithoutACause Před 2 lety

    Cool! I wondered what the new hard drive enclosure looked like inside. I'm going to have to install 2 hard drives and 2 RAM sticks in my first prebuilt ever in a couple weeks. The only DIY I've ever done was ages ago when they were under the optical drive on the front rack.

  • @neozoan
    @neozoan Před 3 lety +3

    Thanks a lot for this, Jay. It was very helpful when doing my first PC build in like 2 decades. Your method is fairly well organized and your use of temporary zip ties was eye opening.

    • @Suavissimo
      @Suavissimo Před rokem

      I'm guessing you live in a small town too… That's the kind of excitement we have to go looking for 😃

  • @Digitoxin1
    @Digitoxin1 Před 3 lety +6

    I've started using Velcro straps instead of zip ties. Makes it a lot easier when you need to make modifications to your build.

    • @fhanum9716
      @fhanum9716 Před 3 lety

      Yeah my case came with some and theyre great

    • @calvin.
      @calvin. Před 3 lety

      But zip ties are significantly cheaper right?

    • @Digitoxin1
      @Digitoxin1 Před 3 lety +1

      @@calvin. you can get a 100 pack of velcro straps for around $12.50 and they are reusable

    • @rickcarter7278
      @rickcarter7278 Před 3 lety

      LTT Store.com?

    • @uisneaghmullen3328
      @uisneaghmullen3328 Před 3 lety

      @@Digitoxin1 u can also get reusable zip ties tho

  • @justinbowen1183
    @justinbowen1183 Před 2 lety +1

    This a fantastic video sir👍 I never thought to plug everything into the power supply unit at the last moment and to focus on cable tying the crap out of everything. I plugged all my stuff in and then tried to do it which pretty much made it impossible to make any decent reconfiguration.

  • @69mygspot
    @69mygspot Před 2 lety

    Thanks Jay, Appreciate your time, Building my Second PC after 10 years.. love all your videos

  • @stefansalaices5592
    @stefansalaices5592 Před 3 lety +3

    The little head scratch he does when he’s thinking is so adorable.

  • @Joker-no1fz
    @Joker-no1fz Před 3 lety +132

    i just plug everything in and the back of my pc looks like a spider web.

    • @bobhanson1037
      @bobhanson1037 Před 3 lety +18

      Just like mine. After I installed a noctua cpu cooler I stopped caring how it looked

    • @INTRO173
      @INTRO173 Před 3 lety +1

      You truly are the joker.

    • @eye7224
      @eye7224 Před 3 lety +1

      you monster

    • @Joker-no1fz
      @Joker-no1fz Před 3 lety +3

      @@bobhanson1037 im not selling mine so i dont care. it took to long to build and i thought i could figure out the cable management but i could not and said f it. only the second PC ive built. maybe if i start selling them like i want to ill try harder.

    • @racerex340
      @racerex340 Před 3 lety +4

      Some men just just want to watch the world burn.

  • @charpad6690
    @charpad6690 Před 3 lety

    this video is so awesome; it really makes you think about the way you wire a new build

  • @hankvana2149
    @hankvana2149 Před 3 lety +1

    Jay, a suggestion from an old wiring-man (sorry wiring-person)... if you comb/knead the wire bundle so that the wires all are parallel (no crossing) what will be as small as that group of wires can get - put a cable-tie on the bundle to hold it tight then put a second cable-tie on the wire (just slightly loose) slide that cable-tie along to align the wires in the bundle (a bit of kneading will be required) adding more ties and shaping the wire into a harness as you go. You should be able to get most of the length of the wire bundle under control, twists and turns in the harness will "shorten" some wires so the end down by the PSU will be a bit tangled but those are tucked out of sight anyway.

  • @Matt___B
    @Matt___B Před 3 lety +52

    7:30
    Jay: "those are fiddly sata connectors"
    also Jay: *continues slamming the cable on the table*

    • @theone320
      @theone320 Před 3 lety +1

      He did not mean the cable, he meant the connector on the HDD.

    • @Matt___B
      @Matt___B Před 3 lety

      @@theone320 uhm no 7:25 "your moving cables around and you could potentionally break the plastic piece on the sata connector"
      says that while he's pointing at the cable so no, he didnt ment the hdd itself

    • @theone320
      @theone320 Před 3 lety

      @@Matt___B No, I just watched it. I means that the male flimsy piece of plastic of the HDD can "break off inside the sata connector". The Sata cable has a female end and the male plastic piece of the HDD goes into that. If you are not careful, it will break of inside of the cable head.

  • @cpfb68
    @cpfb68 Před 3 lety +7

    Perfect video! Thanks for showing your skills. I have always built my PCs since the mid 90’s. I recently taught my 15YO how to build his first PC and remembered how much fun it was to put it together. I’m from the time (as probably you are) when cases were black boxes with a fan. I have always thought about airflow and cooling and how wiring interrupts the flow. With the new generation of cases it really makes it easy to be functional and a piece of artwork that is totally yours, IF you put time, thought and effort into it. I’ve decided it’s time to upgrade from my old AMD FX-8320 SYSTEM to a new Lian Li Lancool II mesh RGB case with AMD Ryzen 5600x. Haven’t picked a MB yet as I’m stuck between a B550 and X570. I’m excited to test my cable management skills on this one as it has the RGB fans in the case and I’ve purchased three additional RGB fans for the top and back. I appreciate your helpful vids any many aspects of my upcoming build (MB selection, processor, cable management, case selection, etc.) Just thanks for all the help!

    • @phineas7767
      @phineas7767 Před 2 lety +2

      This is probably a late recommendation but the msi B550 A pro is a great mobo and not to expensive. Would definitely recommend!

  • @laron.henderson
    @laron.henderson Před 2 lety

    I just completed my first PC Build. The wires was one of the hardest part! Trying to connect them to the motherboard in such a tight space, and then trying to keep them neat after I got everything connected!

  • @tankconnors7323
    @tankconnors7323 Před 8 měsíci

    I just finished my friends PC... it was my first time building a PC....and it came out pretty good (it powered on..and its running great) ...but holy hell! We finished late so, didn't have time to cable manage.. im happy cause everything looks good from the front..but OUCH.. the cables in the back is overwhelming.. going to go back over there in a couple days to tidy it up abit...
    Thanks for this video!

  • @mrknowz5121
    @mrknowz5121 Před 3 lety +169

    I just wish motherboard manufacturers would make all the headers right angle.

    • @Crunchifyable2
      @Crunchifyable2 Před 3 lety +16

      That was my initial wish too... But after a week of building (parts delays), I can appreciate how stable top down connectors are. I'd be afraid right angle headers would snap. But you can always get a cheap right angle cable.

    • @mrknowz5121
      @mrknowz5121 Před 3 lety +11

      @@Crunchifyable2 that was second wish. Honestly with the tech , I don’t see why they couldn’t put all connections on the backside. I mean, all wires in back with the exception of cpu fan. 🤩 that would great.

    • @jordantrujillo293
      @jordantrujillo293 Před 3 lety +2

      I just wish the lancool 2 I’m building had a 90* plug on the usb 20 pin. Drove me nuts looking at that big plug sticking out everywhere.

    • @mrknowz5121
      @mrknowz5121 Před 3 lety +2

      @@jordantrujillo293 yeah that thing has no bend to it 😂

  • @NewAgeCulture
    @NewAgeCulture Před 3 lety +66

    Me watching this like: "OK!! Finally going to get tips on wiring my some what rats nest of a 500d!!"
    ".... unless if you have Corsair Commander pro..."
    "Im f#%ked...."

    • @Jousten16
      @Jousten16 Před 3 lety +8

      Welcome in the club buddy! I haven't done PC building in a long ass time (6+ years) and decided to finally get myself a shiny new RGB build last year. The regrets came fast with 6 LL120 fans, Corsair LED strips and the commander pro when trying to organize and hide the cables.

    • @ILKOSTFU
      @ILKOSTFU Před 3 lety

      i feel you XD

    • @jamesbeadle6610
      @jamesbeadle6610 Před 3 lety

      @@Jousten16 my new build is gonna have 9 fans and I have little patience.. it's gonna be fun 😂

    • @somethingoriginal6212
      @somethingoriginal6212 Před 3 lety

      I feel this! Lol I’m too deeply invested in the Corsair ecosystem at this point to go with anything else :(

    • @nickpickerwi7787
      @nickpickerwi7787 Před 3 lety

      Man. I have an iTX build with five LL120's, four RGB strips, and two Corsair water blocks. Holy hell.

  • @JohnDoe-bz4yl
    @JohnDoe-bz4yl Před 11 měsíci

    Last weekend I replaced a failing air cooler in my PC and replaced it with a 240mm AIO and because I had to change the back plate I had to unplug all my cables to take out the motherboard thus stuffing up my cable managment!
    This video gave me some tips as sometime this week I have to dive back in and fix up my cables to make it easier to but the back of my case back on

  • @michaelpoczynek
    @michaelpoczynek Před rokem

    Thanks for making this video. It was very helpful and informative. Just waiting for some parts to arrive to do my first build in many years. Cheers! 😀

  • @MaikelK
    @MaikelK Před 3 lety +5

    Thanks for the inspiration Jay, today I decided to cable manage my pc 5 years after I built it lol