My Personal Rig already DIED!
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- čas přidán 6. 03. 2023
- My brand new personal rig already had a major failure... let's investigate and fix it!
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I am a car mechanic and that mechanic reference is painfully relatable. I have literally taken 30 minute test drives with the customer without them being able to recreate the fault, only for them to call me later telling me it happened again on their way home..
I have that effect on peoples' mobile digital devices. But I have indeed experienced the mechanic reference myself 🙂
BRUH EVERY TIME. That or the advisor doesn't care to listen and just writes the complaint as whatever so your chasing your own ass half the time 🙄
My brother had a similar issue with a PC I built for him using used parts from my rig. The PC would only work with one stick of Ram. It was a Ryzen 5 3600 on a B450 board, and I knew that all Ram sticks were fine as I tested them on my system, so it thought that the CPU had a problem. In the end, we replaced the CPU and it worked perfectly.
EVAP.... It's ALWAYS the EVAP! 🤣
And their descriptions, with sound effects...
This video is precisely why JayTwoCents is my favorite tech person to watch. Troubleshooting, useful info, the weirdness of odd computer behavior, the successes, the failures, the humor, and we all get to go along for the ride.
Some of these situations he gets into just seem so daunting. If it were me, I would have just RMA'd the motherboard after just trying one or two things...
Then make another video about stupid rumour, double down with it when real news about it tells it to be false and then move on without addressing it. That is the otherside of Jay. That's why he isn't my favorite tech person.
@@hookback why don't you cry about it for a few more months?
@@MrBeetsGaming I will, thanks for suggesting.
@@hookback don’t speak your trash opinion 😎🔥🔥🔥
This is what problem solving looks like when you have a passion! Its still annoying, but you learn something new and can apply the full force of your knowledge to fix it! Nothing more satisfying than working through something tedious and complicated and finally figuring out the problem
Jay broke his computer again🤣
It's nice to know that all my past PC issues weren't because I had mediocre gear, it apparently happens with the best thing you can possibly get too.
Yeah. Now I’m worried about my build. I got a 4090, i9 13900k mATX that’s going to be coming together soon. I hope I don’t run into too many problems.
@@DJIsher1 Same here except 3080 and Ryzen 7700X. My current build is nearing 10 years old, hardware was "simpler" back then you could say, so it was more reliable. I feel like with how advanced PC hardware is now compared to when I built my PC, it's not surprising how finicky it can be. Top of the line parts even more so than cheap ones that are "simpler".
I have the same setup but 4080. I pray it doesn't die haha. 7700x is a beast, so I dig your style :) @@JohnDoeWasntTaken
@@born2serve92 7700X really is the way to go! Not counting the X3D it destroys the 7900X and 7950X in gaming. It confuses me when people buy a 7950X to play games on haha. I like having a non-X3D CPU because the X3Ds still don't always work well depending on the game.
And I'm upgrading from an Intel 4690k, the Ryzen is like a supercomputer chip to me.
@@JohnDoeWasntTaken I got it at micro center for a discount and am playing 4k avatar at the moment. (Uses 11 gigs so my worry these days is my GPU tapping out of vram).
I like the.X3D but I don’t notice a 10-15 fps change when it’s already high at 1080 and 1440p tbh. I never feel like I need to always have top of the line. Going from a zen 2 to the 7700x and a 1080 to 4080 was a massive jump. I hope your system continues to kick ass :)
I really feel like troubleshooting PCs needs to be a weekly video for you, Jay. You are very good at presenting problems, explaining your testing train of thought, and presenting solutions. I hope you keep doing this with viewers PCs.
He’s helped me troubleshoot my pc just learning from his videos! I love these kinds of videos
I don't think this is a fun thing to do
They need some kind of insurance for that, so you can just drive it till it fails and it's covered.
I don't think Jay's sanity would hold together for long, doing that weekly! lol
@@jububoobaroo67 It's called waranty
Jay. This might sound weird but seeing your rig break and you making a video about it makes me feel better about myself. My rig died today and I found out it's because of bad RAM. Not because of "Schadenfreude" (finding joy in others mishaps) but because I see that it happened to someone who has far more experience than me. I guess it's about sharing grief and annoyance. It might not help my actual problem but on a psychological basis it motivates me and gives me reassurance. Thanks for posting this video!
Not sure about your exact build or how old it is, but always test your ram! Put memtest86 on a USB and boot from it whenever you get new memory. Most manufacturers have a lifetime warranty , you can RMA it pretty easily
It's the age old "I'm only laughing at you because I've done it too," lol. Smack your knee on the counter? I'm going to laugh. Stub your toe on the desk? Lolling. Fall down the stairs? Well, I'll make sure you're ok first, but then, you guessed it, I'm laughing at you, lol. All jokes aside, though, I'm glad yours isn't too bad of a fix.
I was running two 32 gig kits of ddr4 with my 5900x and my pc suddenly hit 99.9 percent use of ram. I thought it was blue stacks or foobar causing a memory leak. It might be both.
Funnily enough my one year old PC died today too. SSD went kaput
@@sovereigntyofvoyagers7380 After one year? 😭
Hey Jay , glad you sorted out considering its your personal rig , btw coming from a Semiconductor workplace I can assure you that motherboards will always go bad in terms of failure much more than a cpu can. We test processors and bin them several times , whilst motherboards with all their complexity and tons of minor components will go hay wire with the least culprits available. Peace out amigo just enjoy your build ;)
I can believe that. I've been building my own rigs for over 20 years now and I've never had a CPU fail. In terms of DOAs it was mostly motherboards I had issues with, and GPUs tend to die during their life. Apart from that usually everything keeps working until its obsolete.
@@KoeiNL Yep I build pc's too for hobby so I feel you man. Time to AM5 for me ... waiting for 7800X3D if stock will be enough...
I fucking hate motherboards. I’ve had just one GPU die in 20 years, while I’ve had like 6 bad motherboards… Once, it was the PCI-E slot 1, but most of them had trouble with RAM controller or just plain dead. DOA. And it’s the most frustrating thing to both troubleshoot and replace. 😢
I have had 5 processors kill pcs but no motherboards its nearly guaranteed to be a cpu failure in my cases and its not from anything other than just getting terrible processors
assuming you had a jig and tester to check the affected cpus ? and who can guarantee that you were buying duds ? you have no idea dude.@@pilsplease7561
Rule of thumb is that if 'everything' seems to fail is usually the motherboard or the psu(causing the motherboard to go nuts). Its not always, but when the fail is on some other component the culprit is usually found right away as you swap a pair of them.
Yep mobo was my first thought when he said all memory sticks acted the same and could only use 1 slot to work
@@naruhearts1And yet this rig ends up dead anyways, he's now the proud owner of the 14900k
Walks from one problem, right into another @@mikem9536
Jay in previous video: "Nick bought me too much distilled water"
Nick knew all along 😂
im looking @ this and saying glad I don't have this problem. AMD needs a new boss so call memory training lol
@@adamtajhassam9188it's a faulty piece not a problem with architecture
Half way through this video i just remembered how much work it is for him to take this rig apart.
I hate having to take my AIO/air cooled build apart. A full loops gotta suckkkk to take apart 🙃
@302QuestSwap it does... especially when you aren't sure what the problem is.
Which is my first major reason I don't like water cooling for my rigs. I know the first rig I try to water cool will be exactly like this video... Constantly taking it apart to trouble shoot. Just not worth it to me
@@aaronlandry3947 I would consider doing Air Cool for a few weeks to a month then go Water cool that way you don't have to tinker with the Tubing.
I'm glad I went with flexible tubing for my custom loop.
Trying to troubleshoot a fully water cooled system for hardware faults is the stuff of nightmares, especially when you need your PC for work. I've just taken my GPU out of the loop and although it doesn't look as nice, I'm happy knowing how easy it is to swap it out whenever I want without draining my (hard line) loop first.
Great video. I like how we get to watch your thought process and troubleshooting steps. This is great for new builders who run into these types of odd problems!
his motherboard blew😭😭
It's good to see that sometimes even the experts hit a wall when troubleshooting.
"expert" lol
@@Aleph-Noll exactly.....
I used to be the service manager for a laptop + printer distribution company. My team & I could solve 99.99% of problems pretty near instantly, but yes, we got stumped sometimes. The most vexing situations were ones just like this, where the easy way to identify the cause of the problem was to swap out each of the possible culprits (in this case, the CPU & Mobo) but the spares weren't available.
@@theantipope4354 if you have enough spares around like jay this isnt an issue, but youtubers just exagerate things to have more views. As simple as checking and then swapping parts to find out. Now for a normal person which isnt going to have spare parts, that is another story.............
@@Aleph-Noll we got a mr. know-it-all over here
Man if I had professors in school like you to explain stuff like this, there could have been a high chance for me to actually do something with my life :D I'm sitting here taking notes and listening intently, so thank you for your videos and tutorials and everything else you share with us, which is for most people here for free ^_^ This is the right purpose of the internet!
You learn way more watching knowledgeable youtube guys than any schools computer courses, sadly. Just requires months of videos and critical watching
School teaches you the nomenclature for the field you may be entering in order to cram as much information in as little time with as few words possible. As a mechanic I have to simplify a lot of information so a customer can understand what service/repair I am trying to sell them.
Jay is a car guy to the core in every way.
@@thetrainboard2772Don’t act like you can’t learn a bunch of bs and misinformation also…school definitely teaches you I just think for most people it’s not the right setting to learn. You still need to have a base line understanding of what you are listening to and learning and school kinda teaches you that lol
Learned a lot from this troubleshooting session. Glad you figured out the problematic motherboard.
It's so nice to see how he is making these videos with so much passion and interesting, he knows exactly how to entertain people, and you also can learn a lot from him
I watched this vid completely, and I completely didn't know what he was talking about, and somehow I built a 5k dollar pc
Bot😂
It’s stuff like this happening that gives me some amount of apprehension to building up a high-end system with expensive parts. While it is great to see Jay troubleshoot, how many of us have a separate test bench to test swapping various combinations of RAM, CPU and motherboards. And the video a day or so ago that stumped Jay as to what’s wrong is another example of requiring debug skills that require an expensive inventory of spare parts. I’m glad to have videos like this to watch, especially when it looks like Jay figured out the problem. Hope to hear back that the long burn-in uncovered nothing new and that Jay has moved the system back home.
Eh it's not really that hard
thats why you should start small.....My first PC experiences had been with old Pentium 4 PC's and all.
Working with PC's is 90% experience by finding sh** out and 10% luck while trying sh** out
Also, jay shoots to get the best out of his components which includes overclocking, clock speed synching which only increases chance of failure. 99% of the time if you buy components and don't tinker with them you will be fine
@@Kyharra it’s not that hard to source a complete set of spare parts and swap them all in and out to get a combination that works? And then even if it works initially it can still fail days later? I mean it’s not that hard relative to climbing Everest, sure, but it’s a total ball ache. I’ve built my last two computers, but I’ll probably go prebuilt next time. There are enough suppliers that let you specify all the parts now and I’d rather they do all the trouble shooting than run the risk I’ll have to.
@@nottopcat5956 I dunno guess I got lucky my pcs never failed on me
Examine the DIMM slots on the motherboard closely for any damage. This will involve removing the motherboard, and may require examination under a microscope.
Back in the Cretaceous, or rather the early 2000s, I was trying to fix a first gen PCI PowerMac that behaved and crashed in a vaguely similar manner to the computer in the video.
It turned out the plastic part of a DIMM slot had broken in half down the length of the DIMM. With the DIMM installed the slot almost appeared normal at first glance. However, the slot was slightly wider than it should have been. After removing the DIMM, the plastic part of the DIMM slot was clearly broken down the middle and the green PCB underneath the slot was visible. The plastic of the slot separated down the middle and each side had slid apart. I think someone used far too much force when installing a DIMM and broke the slot. Replacing the motherboard solved the issue.
DIMM slots prior to DDR5 use through hole contacts for the pins. However, both DDR5 memory and the early PowerMacs use surface mount contacts for the pins of their DIMM slots. DDR5 DIMM slots may be susceptible to a similar type of damage as found on that PowerMac.
Thank you for this info!
@meltedrabbit
I was going to comment about a possible bad joint, Memory socket leg not soldered properly....something around the CPU and Memory sticks.....get out the magnifying glass....
It's a very complex piece of electronics that the factory test bench may have missed.
Jay's memory issues got worse the more times he seated and unseated the RAM. So basically the slot wore out after a few RAM cycles. I wonder if the new board will have the same problem? He's probably not going to be swapping and unswapping RAM a bunch now that it's finished.
Microscope? Are you serious?
@@MrHoojaszczyk
A Mantis would be much better
Thanks Jayson for this vid! I actually left a comment on the 12th gen review video you made around a year ago commenting on DDR5 issues.
BIG TIP: DOUBLE CHECK YOUR MOBO'S COMPATIBLE RAM! There is some kind of list of ram compatibility validation (google it) but don't get random kits, ddr4 was ultra compatible where you really didnt need to do anything besides turn on xmp.
DDR5 needs you to adjust your shizite or turn off xmp entirely. Currently running No XMP for several days to test compatibility, next i'll do xmp at stock and try loosening timings from 36 to 40 on the first 3 basic timings.
To be honest, my DDR5 issues are really teaching me a lot about how memory interacts in the system and all the different settings, timings and voltages that go into it
I am having this exact same issue happen right now to my 3 year old system (Rog crosshair VIII hero wifi motherboard). I am about to go down the rabbit hole of trouble shooting this weekend...so I am glad i found your video. About to do exactly what you did (except buying the extra parts if I can avoid it!)
These videos are very cathartic. Beating my head against a wall trying to get systems to work recently, so nice seeing it really does happen to everyone.
My take on this is that it's one of the things my old man told me "Never be an early adopter" of new tech because it will have bugs and other issues that the manufacturer is still trying to get to grips with, and it will come back to bite you in the ass if you want the latest and greatest from the word go. So I usually wait 6 to 12 months to allow at least some of the issues that could crop up to be ironed out first.
That said, what a bummer of a thing to happen, but it's the gamble either paying off or not working out. Glad it's on its way to being fixed, just looking at it Jay as a system it looks fantastic though!
Well done with the troubleshooting.
"Never combine cutting edge hardware and cutting edge software and expect cutting edge performance."
Thank you for walking us through your process of fixing the issue.
Have to ask you: Have you made a video of your personal rig? 🙂
This is a really good video. Unique failures are gold to people whove never seen them before.
Its well worth having another look at the motherboard cpu pins with a magnifying glass. Had a friends board which was doing the same thing and we both looked at the pins and could not see anything wrong. Checked it with a magnifying glass and there was one pin which was slightly out of line but to be honest thought it was ok. The difference between the pins was so small I thought it probably was not the fault. Realigned it and gave it another go. All working ok, no errors, tested for hours.
I'm having a similar problem. I ordered more memory. But maybe it's the MOBO
Good to know Im not the only one with 'when there's an error - it's a fuckin weird one' xD
@@AdiVAbdulsky you too? Does it run fine with one stick?
@@zkilla4611 Yup. A1 slot was doing fine, we (it was also my friends computer) have managed to post it few times with 2 sticks but it was like maaybe for a minute or two then not even a BSOD - it just rebooted itself and always into some kind of a bootloop. Checking the socket like VERY CAREFUILLY (took us almost 1 and a half hour) reveald in fact a bend pin but also nothing to be consider of on the first glance. We've saved the day with the same solution and it's been like 2 weeks on non stop without any problem.
@@AdiVAbdulsky Do you recall where the pin was located? What Motherboard?
The Ram change does look better. Thank for the troubleshoot video it is enjoyable and the fact that it can help someone out in the same situation is a plus.
Had a similar issue with my 3 week old build. MSI mobo was faulty, but I went ahead and upgraded my ram and CPU along with it and returned the others. Irony is I found this video now. I feel a lot better about how I went about that, because our TS process was almost exactly the same AND I feel better about my big box air cooler. Sorry I had to. 🙏 Love your channel.
Jay, thank you for your high quality, educational but also entertaining video ! Keep it up !
Nice diagnosing. The passion you have about getting the computer perfectly tuned and benchmarked cracks me up. I’m just happy everyday mine keeps turning back on lol.
this is my worst PC nightmare
finally getting the dream build spending days on it and then I have no idea what's wrong with it.. If this happened to me I'd probably cry lol
Linus probably didnt make up this quote, but I heard him say in a video the other day something that resonated. "You know what the problem with the bleeding edge is? It cuts you."
it happens too often.... and .... you're just stuck.... unless you have tons of money to throw at it and tons of time to rebuild.... you're just stuck.
I used to buy the latest and greatest and I had so many problems it wasn't even funny. I usually buy last gen stuff that is proven for half off now.
@@davidbrennan5 That shows the wisdom that comes with experience. You save money, and all those hassles to boot. "Welcome to the Next Level!"
@@davidbrennan5 Or just wait 6 months to a year. So they can send out bios updates. Because I remember when the X99 and the like had problems...
I had issues with my new system too, I got bluescreens after like 30 mins to an hour of use and it happened with both expo on and off and that weird blue and red screen that you experienced which I also thought was a GPU issue, but I hoped not. Then I did memtest and memory diagnostics, and both of them failed over and over again. I looked through the QVL list and the ram was not compatible with the motherboard and after swapping them out with a kit that was on the QVL it works without an issue and I feel so happy.
Spent a few days recently dealing with a similar issue. Diagnosing the motherboard took longer than replacing it, lol. Happens to the best of us!
Right off the bat, I thought it was the MB. Whenever you get a quirky MB, it's such a pain to troubleshoot. I'm glad you figured it out. Hopefully you have nothing but clear sailing from here onward...
Best thing ever the reaction to the temps of the air tower non installed cpu cooler. Yes Jay you can make whatever makes you happy . you also show us that DIY is not always a bad thing . love the energy of those videos
he should have tested b1 and b2 to see if it's not the ram slot that's going bad
Hey jay! I actually had the same issues as this video last night. I was in bios hell. Glad I already watched this and had a good Aussie friend help me! Ended up going to a micro center to replace my mobo and ram ended up working immediately.
The custom waterloop looks so clean. Great troubleshooting video. ❤
Wow. I watched your previous video on the build the other day on the completion. You were up practically all night and early that morning, then very proud as you should be. What a clean machine! I'm finishing up a build now and I started having nightmares of what I'll do if I jack it up or, worse yet, have a component failure as you did. But you showed us how to work through it and troubleshoot the problem. Awesome tenacity and a very impressive recovery. You're a pure pro at it. That's why you rightly have so many fans. Thanks a bunch Jay! 👍👍
My last 2 builds I had parts DOA, so frustrating when you don't have a warehouse full of spare parts.
Jay: "I always say if it ain't broke don't fix it"
Also Jay: Makes changes to working system until it stops working.
That's the difference between using the system and diagnosing a problem. Using the system, you want to keep it working as well as possible. Diagnosing a problem, you're trying to find the cause so you keep making small changes until it breaks.
Maybe a working system is a broken system to Jay 🤔
A working system should handle any number of changes without issue...
Reminds me of the headaches from when I used to build computers. The relief when you figure out the point of failure.
15:30 I was wondering about the A2 slot test. I would have followed up by checking B1 and B2. I would expect B1 might work, but if A2 only is rejected by bios B2 would be as well.
I am so selfishly happy you are experiencing the same problems I run into
Asus MB?
I have a AMD MSI motherboard
Is it ASUS as well? Was just considering the strix x670
SAVAGE... 🙂
NGL, the symptoms you mentioned at the start of the video immediately made me think of a bad CPU mount. Especially if you think back to how weird Threadripper is about having proper tension to make good contact with the pins on the motherboard. Now that you have your system up and running again, I'm kinda curious if you could put the other board on a bench, and check the tension of the retention bracket, and see if maybe something was off spec, and not allowing the pins to make proper contact with your processor?
I said the same thing.
Same, I started to suspect CPU mounting more and more. Curious to see if the bad mobo issues can be reproduced on the bench
There is no way this could be a CPU mount thing. It's 100% a faulty motherboard. And ASUS is REALLY lacking in quality control! It's the Peugeot of cars, good looking but pretty unreliable. I've had many bad experiences with ASUS motherboards in the last couple decades.
@@sassuki Wow. Shout your ignorance for the world to hear: Techtubers have demonstrated RAM fault issues with the 13th Gen Intel IMS bending the chip which prevents it from working until it warms up a bit, at which point it works until it heats up under load and then crashes. They've also shown that when some parts of a LGA chip don't make full contact that som of the PCIe lanes are dead.
@@sassuki Smoothbrain alert.
I had a similar issue with my first PC made from old parts, one of the ram slots my X58 mb was faulty and the ram on that slot was wildly unstable, not the easiest problem to solve with your first PC but it was valuable information.
Awesome video! Thanks for showing us the whole process!!
I love watching Jay, I get to escape my difficult life for a bit and laugh along and learn.
Hope you have better times soon
Enjoy the videos and take care, I wish you all the best!
I wish you better times ahead Peter.
Right there with you my man
Jay please never stop with these kind of videos. Always a insta-click.
I don't think he enjoys these situations as much as we do :))
I put soft tubing on my system with drain valves at every G 1/4 port. Yes, it’s a very expensive way to run a loop but you get the huge benefit of not having to drain your entire loop if you ever have a component failure! As long as you don’t mind the added cost and aesthetic the functionality gain is immense!
wake up hey do math!!!!🤣🤣
these videos are helpful. i've been chasing my tail with a system randomly hard freezing & I think I've got it solved (as I did the last five times until it froze again) and it's just interesting to see someone more knowledgeable have at it.
these videos are helpful just from a thought-process perspective. i'm about to rebuild with a bunch of used parts and i'm sure i'm running head first into a bunch of problems, but videos like this make me feel more confident in my abilities to think it through step by step.
I got Into the IT field and watching your videos has helped me leaps and bounds
i had VERY similar issues..... after months of trial and error and windows re-installations, memory swaps and CMOS clearing... it turned out.... the SSD my OS was installed to was crapping out.
replaced it with an M.2 2tb drive and .......FIXED IT. no more weird random bluescreens. artifacting crashes.
I was getting random blue screens, for various errors at random times (but never at boot), over several months. After eliminating all the other possible causes I ran memtest86 and it reported a single bit in ONE of the many tests it runs. But the BSODs were fairly infrequent so I took my time in getting more memory sticks. Then I had to do a repair install of Win11 due to a servicing stack issue. Et voila! No more BSODs for the last 5 months. My fingers are crossed. So weird. Thanks for the video.
Hey Jay! I had very similar problem back in 2019 with a 2700x and asus rog x470 f gaming board. After a long testing I discovered that the A1 ram slot is faulty. Unfortunately I was lazy at the time to RMA so I stuck with only using B1 B2 ever since. Keep up the good content!
I think Greg Salazar had a bunch of this type of issue in his "fix or flop" series. Everytime it was the cpu that would not work with 2 ram sticks.
It's a little humorous because he seems surprised almost every time. Love Fix or Flop. 🔥
Yep. They were all 2000 series Ryzen chips if I remember correctly.
A bunch of Ryzen 5 3600's too.
@@patrickprafke4894 ...ahh shit... ...good excuse to go ahead and pull the trigger on that 5800X3D LOL
I don't think he ever came back to the one board and see if the bios update would fix it... Whichever ep. that was from.
The way you're telling the story on 18:49 reminded me of my friends when we're telling each other ghost stories... Gosh, the horror.
Super video, very much appreciate the time to show us troubleshooting and diagnostics performed. Love the channel
Those fury ram sticks are perfect match to the rest of build! Much much synergy vs the dominator squares. Lovely build hope it goes well 😁
Man this is so frustrating. As someone suggested in the last video, this almost makes me glad to be too poor to afford to play with the latest and greatest right at launch, lol. Hopefully we don't need a second diagnostic video! 🙏🙏
When I first started the video I guessed it was either a memory or motherboard issue. Memory-related issues actually happen relatively frequently. In fact, when I set up my first PC in middle school, a similar issue happens to me. After assembling the brand new computer, it won't boot and after a lot of trial and error, I noticed it works when I install memory only on one of the channels. So I just installed memory sticks on one channel and never bother with it. A couple of years later, I decided to upgrade the CPU cooler to a larger one and I have to install the memory on the other channel. Since I've gained more experience over the years, I quickly decide it's a motherboard failure and luckily, the board is still within the warranty period. I have the board shipped back and they got that fixed for free.
Jay, sometimes i get memory channel errors if i tighten down the cpu mounting bracket too much because even if you cant see it with the naked eye it can flex the motherboard slightly enough to throw off the memory slot contacts. try and loosen your cpu mounting bracket or waterblock mounting screws and see if that gets all your memory slots to work. Hope this helps.
Interesting. One I get my 2nd stick. I'll test. I think I have a bad stick.
Z killa did it work
@@Zirgyn I didn't get a chance today. But I ran a full memory test in the one stick and it passed. 90% positive it's a bad stick. I got a water block on mine too. So I wasn't looking forward to changing anything. Especially the MOBO.
@@Zirgyn It did work. The new stick of Ram worked. So my issue was one bad ram stick. 😃 Glad I don't have to take it apart.
I had nothing but headaches with my 7950x. Waited months for them to "sort it out". There is definitely something wrong with the 670 chipset. I finally ditched the platform and went with Intel 13 series instead.
yeah I went with 13700k and never had any issues with it and just paired it with Z690-E very nice board.
These symptoms seem very similar to something from an old build of mine. Remember even handing it in to a "professionel" workshop, only for them to give up after convincing me to swap both CPU and RAM... Ended up getting it to work by increasing voltage on the memory controller.
I used to have the same C5 problem with a Threadripper 3960X on a Zenith II Extreme, can't boot and C5 or "memory test" error on the oled screen in the MB, in the end the problem was the "seating" of the CPU in the socket, not perfect, or maybe the fullcover waterblock was overtight. I solved that problem removing the waterblock and re-seating the CPU.
The hit marker when Jay bashed his knee was perfect lol.
I don't use any of these parts, except an AMD, memory and a motherboard, but I do like your recent troubleshooting vids. It's real life, its what everyone has to do. I like these types of vids, Keep having problems
I remember having similar with my friend pc. Only one channel was working (regardless of was it A or B) but not both. System booted, but showed only half of the memory.
The problem was in a small piece of paper (less then a millimetre) which sticked to one of the connectors on the cpu, preventing proper link
Same thing happened to me after 4-5 days of use. Electrician was working on the house, so had no power for half a day. After turning th PC on again it would not POST, stuck at RAM test. Went through the whole routine of switching ram modules, switching of EXPO, reverting to a prior BIOS version. The only thing working for me is if I have a single module in the A2 slot, also EXPO works fine like this. (ASUS X670-E PLUS, Ryzen 7700, 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo)
Why am I not suprised. Jay is so unlucky sometimes
Or it jus makes for good content 🤷
usually happens when you go for the bleeding edge of the bleeding edge
@@bill19282 not true.
I had the exact same issues with the same board and CPU, I just returned my x670e hero and went to a lower tier board
He's lucky that he's unlucky, this makes good content for his channel
In my years of experience building and running PC's, more often than not, an issue preventing booting usually ends up being the motherboard. This is because the motherboard is the most time consuming part to replace and the most difficult one to isolate as the root cause. The motherboard is also far more complex than a memory stick and more susceptible to damage than a CPU. It can also be hard to demonstrate that the board has failed when returning it for a replacement, so take lots of photos to show the people at the store.
Shut up.
yeah, about 5-10 mins in when he said "I noticed that it's retraining the memory every time I boot and not caching it", I immediately was like, oh there's your smoking gun...it's almost certainly the mobo...all the waffling about the CPU felt unnecessary after that point.
I feel you my PC started having freezes and blue screens a few weeks ago. Ruled out everything but the motherboard and the CPU. I didn't have a spare CPU so gambled on it being the motherboard. Sent it in for Gigabyte to test three weeks ago. They claim no issue so now I have to send the CPU in because everything else is ruled out. The motherboard comes back tomorrow.
My last ASUS mobo was the X99 Deluxe, I have been so happy with my MSI & then EVGA X570 DARK board (emoji trouble) I am glad you fixed it
I'm happy that Jay is happy with his water loop. I've done it a few times, but never again.
Yea it was what, 4% better benchmark than a freaking non-themal-pasted cooler with a box? And for that money and 4% boost you get to deal with water in your case lol
Have to say that your "BOX" cooler is absolutely perfect! I love it!
I had somewhat similar booting issues a few years ago, where it occasionally wouldn't boot at all, then when I removed 1 ram stick it would boot, but if I moved that stick to another slot it wouldn't, it would also occasionally(and seemingly randomly) blue screen or freeze up, it kept giving different error codes and so on.
That issue had to do with memory compatibility, because even after a lot of testing I didn't find any singular issues, but after several bios updates all problems simply went away. PC has been been perfectly stable ever since with exactly the same hardware.
Your issues seem to be a bit worse though. So good luck with that :P.
Watercooling is also useful for relocating the heat to a different room, that's what I use it for.
I'd never have a watercooling rig because of how much a pain in the ass maintenance looks like it can be, but my god. That is one sexy ass computer. Thanks for the content as always!
being that I am a brand new builder, I'm glad that I did not have issues like this. The only thing I did wrong was mount my CPU cooler fans backwards on first start up. My system is currently running flawlessly. Its crazy that just watching CZcams and doing a little research that I could build a PC in 3 hours and have it work great!
YT seems to have instructional / tutorial vids for darn near anything you can imagine - good luck with your new build - sounds like you nailed it ..
The best advice that I could give to someone starting a build for the first time is, MAKE SURE EVERY COMPONENT IS COMPATIBLE BEFORE BUYING IT! That’s what I learned from all of the research I did. Also I stuck with two big name brands for my builds theme. Corsair and MSI components with a Ryzen CPU. Also make sure your power supply is more than what you would need because your future self will thank you!
Thanks for showing your frustration. We usually get the nice edited everything works perfect videos. I think I'll just stick with my old reliable DDR4 for another year.
I got a similar error last year. At that time I was using MSI B570 tomahawk with 5900x. The setup had been running fine for 10 months. However starting from last June, I started to have blue screens at an increasing frequency. I happened to have 2 computers at home so I swapped parts between them. Eventually I found whenever a memory bar sat in the third slot, it wouldn't boot at all.
So I returned the motherboard for a replacement. Because I was working from home using my computer, I wasn't able to wait for the replacement to come back, but purchased an Asus Strix-X570 immediately. It worked all fine with the new motherboard.
Sounds like to me that the 2nd Ram Slot in Channel A is bad or something because you were able to reproduce the issue with ease. However I am glad that you got your Personal rig up and running again after that weirdness.
His memory was in ram slot B2 @9:29.
I got a 7900x3D and ended up returning it for a 13900K instead. I was getting annoyed by the memory training taking so long during a restart as well as having stuttering issues in VR. While the stuttering may have been fixable, but I didn't want to miss my return window at Microcenter so just decided to go with Intel instead. No stuttering issues and it doesn't take anywhere near as long to post.
enjoy the deadend platform
@@clark85 I wait long enough between upgrades that I have to upgrade everything anyway. My previous machine was a 9900K. Before that was a 4770K.
I've been having these exact issues with my own build (Ryzen 9 7950x, 64gb G-Skill Tident Z5 ram, X670e Strix Mobo) and have been having various blue screens for days. Had tried everything from updating drivers to repairing Windows files with no luck. I already ruled out issues with my GPU, RAM, and drives and was leaning toward blaming the CPU so this may have saved me some added frustration since I happen to have another board and CPU on hand (was planning to upgrade a second rig, but got stuck when the first was causing so much issue).
Oh man, this reminds me of having to troubleshoot dma and irq settings with pc cards last century with cards that were barely meeting standards ( but relative got them cheap). Oh mannn. Good to see you got there in the end.
I really take for granted that everything will work once I flip the switch after a new build. If something like this happened to me, I'd be screwed!
I actually don't. Been building PC's since 1999 and every time I press that power button for the first time, I say a little prayer and when it boots, I am thankful every single time.
Out of the 100's, maybe more, PC's I've built, I only had one that did not boot. Ended up being a bad motherboard. That was back in the days of EDO ram and 500MB hard drives.
@@IAMRUSTEDROOT same. I’ve never had a PC fail it’s first boot but it still feels like a minor miracle each time.
@@IAMRUSTEDROOT I just build a new PC yesterday and didn't start. Had to reflash the motherboard using USB for it to work. Worst part was that my Macbook didn't have USB (non C), so I had to put the BIOS by connecting it to my Raspberry and then ssh into it to transfer the file.
@@Cat-vs7rc Yikes.
The swap for Fury was a perfect decision. Thanks again, Jay! Great video!
Wow, I had the same problem with my current motherboard now, went down from dual channel to single channel. Every other dimm slot or dual channel along with my current working one and the pc just refuses to boot. Glad to know its probably the motherboard.
Funny how he mentioned Asus quality, as I have been through 2 motherboards and it all just up and refused to boot after 3-4 months of use. Now switched to msi mag mortar and it has lasted for about a year now (probably dying)
AM5 bugs is the reason why I'm upgraded to the fleshed out AM4 platform and I'm also saving $400 this route as well
i personally would love a daily quick vlog style getting updated on the pc. maybe a youtube shorts kinda thing where you'd let us know if it is being fine or not. great video btw, it was very interesting!
Thanks Jay, learnt a valuable lesson. Don’t go bleeding edge!!! lol
Seriously though, it’s issues like these that really puts off new pc gamers. So the more it’s talked about the better. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻
Yep! My latest is a b550 with a Ryzen 5800 and ddr4 memory. Paired that with MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 VENTUS (Yes Ventus) and my games run great. Got the 3080 at MSR......
Honestly this could happen on any system but I completely agree gamers shouldn't be thinking they need systems like this. AM5 gives you an upgrade path when building a new system but it is rough around the edges (as usual for AMD) and hard to justify if all you do is game.
One of the advantages of not being able to afford a monster pc 💀
Can you imagine a random guy at home being able to fix this sort of problem? PC building might be relatively easy these days but major fault finding is still a total nightmare when even someone with tons of experience and backup hardware is still scratching his head for days. We need a diagnostic that works without question and until there is there is such a thing there will be tons of people who have horrible experiences with PC's.
@@MrJugNut I have been building my own computers since the dark ages (8088) circa 1976.... Came over from 'Big Iron' (IBM) and DecVax, card reader days.... It has only gotten more complex. Plus I am in awe that when you put something together and put on an OS (Windows and/or Linux) it just works, most of the time.....
@jay I had very similar issue. I attributed the locking up to expo.. i have been running fine since flashing latest bios then disabling expo. X670e-i strix, 7900xtx ref, 7950x, 64gb corsair dom. Before that, mem test would take years and would hang during startup and i left it running to avoid mem training. I would love to re enable expo, but I'm sure it's this firmware at this point and needs some refinement.
Jay, I actually had this exact same issue over the weekend. Thought it was the board (X670 AsRock Lightning), so I exchanged it for an AsRock X670 Taichi. Almost the exact same issues you describe and I was only able to boot the system with 1 stick of RAM in my secondary slot.
Currently I pulled the 7900x3D out of my system and put in a 7600x. It was then also having issues with the memory I had (corsair vengeance 6000 mhz expo). So I ended up switching in a spare kit of (corsair dominator 5600 xmp ddr5 I had sitting around). All 4 sticks work just fine, xmp profile works just fine, memory boot is just fine.
Kind of wild how underprepared the mobo bios' are for this product at launch. Almost non-functioning.
Wow this brings back trauma. I spent 4 days going through the exact same ordeal and I finally gave up, swapped to 13th gen and that POST at first try…
I had a similar issue Jay, but I believe it is the BIOS, not the motherboard in my case.
I have a 7700X and ASUS B650E-F, when they released the latest BIOS to support X3D chips I updated as there is often other fixes/updates/etc that come with it, that leads to improvements regardless.
Seeing as how AM5 is brand new bleeding edge, there is often improvements with each BIOS update and is good to update to them instead of the old adage of leaving it alone if nothing is broken.
Previous BIOS everything fine working as intended. After new BIOS My RAM would randomly want to retrain or outright fail to post like you had.
I had to clear CMOS but issues still happened. Then I thought maybe its some of the custom settings I like to use vs default auto. Of those I had these 3 changed as per Buildzoids recommendations:
Power Down Enable [Disable]
Memory Context Restore [Enabled]
UCLK DIV1 MODE set to be 1:1 and not divide by 2.
I set those back to Auto and also noticed that the SOC voltage was not being set where it used to, so I manually selected 1.25v as what it was before, and now everything is fine again no issue as previous BIOS.
Makes me wonder if some of those settings have been affected by the latest BIOS and something isn't happy when using them.
I also wanted to test ASUS's optimizations with RAM timings to see if there was anything different with this latest BIOS. Something to note is which EXPO profile you use. EXPO 1 is ASUS optimizations, EXPO 2 is just your kits specified timings then the rest auto.
Both when I first setup the system, and now with the latest BIOS, using EXPO 1 has been nothing but trouble for me, crashes, failures to post. Windows issues or system errors regarding Ram. Wiping CMOS and always making sure to EXPO 2, no problems!
Makes of wonder did your motherboard truly die on you or is it a BIOS problem that needs fixing from AMD and/or ASUS?
OMG...Jay. I have the same MB for my build. Thankfully, I get the warranty from Microcenter. I'm hoping to have all the parts from my build by next month. I was going with a Corsair 7000X case, but after getting screwed over by Amazon (selling me a case listed as NEW that had actually been returned twice and stripped for parts), I decided I'm going to get the Corsair 7000D case from Bestbuy since Microcenter doesn't carry it anymore. Anyway, keep these videos coming!
Thank you for saving me from going nuts. I didn't know what to blame for all my BSOD's and errors that started appearing as soon as I turned on the EXPO (I have the EXPO RAM modules). I am returning the freshly purchased ASUS ROG Strix and switching to Gigabyte.
Hey pc building is sweet but definitely a struggle sometimes. But once you get through it, it's all the sweeter when you finally get it all to work
Nah, it's not sweeter, it's just because you had a bitter bite, better not have to.
its sweet because thats your blood sweat and tears leaking out from you trying out the bleeding edge components to begin with lol
After having an elaborate liquid build pass its leak test then fail on coolant fillup, I felt the pain of this series--to then have the system run great for a few days and then start barfing had to be maddening.
I had the exact same issue with memory blue screens and artifacts. Turned out ONE of my sticks was seated just well enough to register, but JUST put of place enough to cause occasional crashes while gaming.
I sent my tuf x670e back in for rma two days ago. Same issue with the addition of the mobo finally deciding to not power on at all.
This was refreshing to see that I wasn’t the only one that runs into issues with a new build!
Also, I really wish I would have watched his last video on this build before I attempted to finish mine, then it would have reminded me to leak test BEFORE I put the fluid in… and then maybe I would have noticed ahead of time that my GPU water block was missing an O ring (similar to what happened to him except with his pump) a little coolant leaking everywhere, but no worries eventually got it sealed and working!