The Greatness of Victor Wembanyama, Nikola Jokic, and LeBron James | OM3 THINGS
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- On this Monday’s episode of ‘The Old Man and the Three Things,’ JJ Redick is joined by Nekias Duncan and Steve Jones Jr. of ‘The Dunker Spot’ for some in-depth breakdowns of the greatness we’ve been seeing recently from Victor Wembanyama (San Antonio Spurs), Nikola Jokic (Denver Nuggets), and LeBron James (Los Angeles Lakers). Let’s go!
0:00 Intro
0:56 Wemby
20:18 Jokic
36:43 LeBron
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His rapid growth to the nba game is mind-blowing. Seeing him Coming from the summer league until now is incredible. Spurs organization has a hell of a development program
he's smart i mean spurs do a great job, but mennn this guy he so mature ...
@@alostdecade6057 It's not just the spurs development program. It’s simply what he’s been doing since he was little! He has already been a professional for 5-6 years and hires specialist coaches for him to do unique work that can only be done for him alone since no one has his measurements!
Already in his first club in France they were revolutionary with him in the way of thinking and also gave him all the freedom in the game that he asked for while he was always a giant compared to people of his age. He too has always fought so that we don't put him in the box of just doing big man things and in France they listened to him.
Bro was nutmegging people in summer league 💀 he could’ve gone to any of the 30 teams and done the same thing or better
No one impacts their team as much as joker.
There is no ROTY debate anymore. It’s over. Wemby is statistically having a better rookie season than Lebron did. That should end the conversation itself.
I thought we had moved on to the DPOTY convo already ?
You acting like Lebron rookie szn one of the best rookie szn of all time. Hella players have had a better rookie szn then Lebron
@@Skor9o Not that young, though
@@josemv25tbf it’s impossible to be that young in the NBA now since they can’t draft out of high school amymore
@@isabellechevereau7539with dpoty even though i feel like he is a valid candidate, when the team defense is good it helps the case a lot vice versa when the team defense is bad, and i think the spurs are too bad of a defensive team for voters to look at wemby for the award
Not even a nuggets fan here but you can definitely argue Jokic has been the best player in the world for the past 3/4years, he's unbelievable and he doesn't force any play, the ultimate unselfish superstar, they will win it all again if healthy.
Jokic wasn’t best player in world in 2021 or even 2022 since Giannis was
R u smoking pot m8?@@dewman7477
@@dewman7477stop it
it was giannis in 2021, theres an argument for both in 22 and 23 on its been jokic
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As a spurs fan I’d like to thank Wemby for being so good, that JJ had to apologize for a bad take lmao
I think wemby has so much more he can add to his game it’s honestly scary
Yes like working on his ball handling, shooting, and having a good base when he's posting up if he just works on the first two he'll be an MVP candidate next year
if he can become a consistent 40% shooter from deep which he has been over the past month or so the league is cooked. legit rudy gobert + kd.
@@crystalizedExposedit’s insane honestly.
@@ScarletDream21yea you could tell by his body/broad shoulders he can put on weight not a lot to where he gets slower. He can still get stronger while being agile. People forget he’s 7,4 so he’s already naturally strong because he’s so tall, now add in the fact that he’s 19. Man that dudes different.
@@WidgetWagyu47292highest potential I’ve ever seen I think he’ll have multiple quadruple doubles within the next 5 years
JJ in Jan: I'm not sure what Wemby can do from here to beat out Chet for ROTY.
Wemby: Hold my beer.
Was this a SGA segment or a Jokic segment?
Wemby is going to be the all time shot block leader guaranteed
He has to stay healthy...
It would be wilt if stats were tracked back in the day
If he stays healthy tht should be easy for him which is crazy to say
Everybody is so concerned for his health and they mention the struggles of past tall guys. Wemby is different tho! The dude has crazy mobility and just seems a step ahead of the game mentally not being phased by the pressure. Excited to see what he does.
@@dewman7477 you think Wilt blocked more shots than Russell ? you dreaming pal
Wemby's potential ceiling is mind-boggling. I hope the kid stays healthy and has a long, incredible career because he's amazing to watch.
Wembanyama is skilled, smart, and built not like a weird 7’4 guy, but has a great build
He needs to stop shooting threes tho sorry .. get under the hoop and grab rebounds and play defense ..
@@bobbybass3586old head 😂 he's shooting bc when his team actually has good players around him spacing will be very valuable. He can stand and dunk without practicing in game 😂
@@bobbybass3586 - He’s improved his three point accuracy from around 27% earlier in the season all the way to 33%. He’s been much better and more consistent shooting threes lately. Wemby shooting threes keeps the defense honest. I don’t have any issue with him taking one three per quarter or four to five per game. 🤷🏻♂️
@@bobbybass3586 The game is changing. I thought the same thing as he struggled early on. But, as they just mentioned, he made 43% from 3 over the past month. Let it fly!!
@@johnbrowntheprophet bro he is too tall.. he is more useful under the rim to block and rebound . Anyone on his team can shoot better than him almost. If he keeps playing like this he will never be ona. Winning team
We french basketball fan who follow nba have been telling you US guys that you were noy ready for the PHENOMENAL Victor WenbAniAmA!!!! as we saw progressing and taking his team so high so fast with incredible stats, we knew, actually many of us and i KNEW he was going to be way better and more impressive in NBA with more space and NBA rules, it was obvious learning to know him as listening to him talk, that He was something Else you have never seen before!!! i'm so amused hearing the evolution of your speechs about him and now the doubters of the beginning don't know how to lower the praises he's legitimetely receiving now... We are so happy for him with some wins, after all the frustration we got for too much games of the season! Thanks for the show by the way, i really love your trio!!! Your best guys JJ!!!
No way you guys have Shai currently on #1, what does Jokic have to do to persuade you that it's not even close lol
Shae is more impactful in a weaker team than Yokic with the champ'team around him having already 2... NBA need for some change and new mvp after a lot of giannis and jokic lately, it seems logical and deserved for him, you can get that?
bust out your calculator and spreadsheets and maybe people will understand. Idk I just watched Giannis beat his a$$ so I'm one of the many confused ones.
Clearly you’re biased towards Jokic and ignoring what shai have done so far with younger okc team with rookie Chet
I'm a Jokic fan and both are really good. If both just continue playing at this level till the end of the season, it would be fair that one who got better standing take the award.
@@dewman7477 I didn't ignore or undermine Shai's run, he definitely has a case, but I don't think it's stronger than Jokic's, that's it
The fact that there's "fans" saying Wemby doesn't get the ball enough and yet his usage rate is 6th in the NBA just reassures me that people talk just to talk
People who say that do not watch the spurs. We are not the best at assisting wemby tho that is what’s scary
Firstly that critique is 2.5 months old. Times have changed. Secondly, it’s not about him getting the ball and it almost never was, it was about his teammates not being able to get the ball in spots that play to his strengths. Pop was doing that on purpose with Sochan at pg.
@@shabazz360 I still here people say it today. A lot of people are realizing his growth though, but there's still many who are behind
You don’t have to try and be nice to OKC fans JJ, it’s over. If you have Chet as you ROTY at this point you are a lost soul😂
I know JJ isn't one for drama, but I'd love to hear his reaction to Gilbert Arenas saying all Euro players should be kicked out of the league
Arenas is a clown. There's really nothing more to say
This is without context….. he said them changing rules like the 3 second doesn’t matter because the Euro players brought a new aspect to the game.
He jokingly said you’d have to kick the euro players out because they’re too versatile offensively for bigmen.
He said guys like Jokic and senguen etc. have evolved the game so much that it’s making defense look bad but in reality it’s too hard to guard all of these things.
That’s when he threw out if they want to help defense they have to take away offense like the floor spacing bigs or take away the 3 point line.
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 no he didn't. He said the NBA changed the rules to accommodate Europeans and to make them more comfortable in the league
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 it's not without context really. let's be honest... gil is anti-white and that is actually fine, i just don't like when people dont' want to admit what they're really about...
you know damn well he meant it, like if a button existed to remove all whites from the nba (not just european) and you told him you can push it and no one will know, he would 100% do it
He just could not say "white" and said "europeans" (adding manu or nash but sparing rudy or giannis lol), and it was not so much a joke like some guys are trying to say, it was serious, and a terrible despicable take, even racist (or at least xenophobic). euroleague is more Physical (not more athletic but dfinitly more phisical and tolerant to hard duels) than nba, more focused on D, as said by all players that evolved in both leagues. Best defenders of this generation is european, same for next generation...
Problem is not europeans can't jump (lol, just replace euro by you know what and it all makes sense what he was thinking). it's nba rules exploited by foul merchants, refs letting it go, and US formation biased towards offense and individual performance rather than D or tactics.
Jokic is by far the best in the nba right now, shai is a total stud, but its Jokers league right now.
Wemby is going to end that Jokic reign very very soon!! Wemby is gonna snatch that title probably by next year
The entire Jokic segment they basically only talked about Shai. Lmao
Victor Wembanyama IN HIS FIRST YEAR, is one of two active players in the NBA to record a career quadruple-double in one season. That means 4/5 stat categories with at least 10 points, 10 rebounds, 10 Assists, 10 steals, or 10 Blocks in a single game of his career. Wembanyama has career double digits in Points, Rebounds, Assists, and Blocks. The only other player to have that is Draymond Green, (PTS, RBS, AST, STL) in 2016-2017.
STL!? Seems too much
Only 14 players in NBA history have 10 STL in a game. Alvin Robertson did it 4 times. @@XBeat.
Wemby is averaging 21/10/3.4 this season, in less than 50% shooting. That’s not even close to the bs you made up
Neither of those two have had a quadruple double
@@silverkitsune thnx mate!
As a spurs fan I remember that one podcast episode. They all agreed back on Jan 15th there was nothing wemby could do to change their mind on chet being roty. Improving efficiency wasn't going to be enough when he already led all rookies in everything at the time. Only way they would consider it was if the spurs want almost half of their remaining games and the thunder lost half of their remaining games. I'm glad he changed their minds lol
Wemby is just progressing too fast for Chet to compete. I also thought Chet was the ROTY at the start of the season, but you gotta recognize when someone is passed up.
JJ Reddick will vote D.White as the MVP we all know that.
He’s a part of the Boston media mafia 🤣🤣
Also rookie of the year. ☘️
Best player on the Celtics 🤷♂️
I was waiting for this one today 🙌
SGA better than Joker? Somebody took one too many headshots....
Yeah that Duncan guy should banned from these pods. He lowers ratings with his absurd takes
Sga isn’t better than Jokic now but I think shai is mvp this year if he gets to number 1 in west and averages 31 6 7 on 55% fg% with elite defence and shai is 2-1 against Jokic nuggets when both played.
Shai should be Mvp this year
@@AddictedLawyer I'm genuinely curious -- how is "Shai by a hair" > Jokic for MVP an *absurd* take? Not just one that you disagree with, but actually absurd? I take it you don't even think the race is close.
no aura?
It's not about whether he's better. It's about whether he's been the MVP. He has as good of a case as anybody
wasn't the biggest fan of the dunker spot section but after the last few episodes I love these dudes. they know what they're talking about!
JJ, Nekias, Steve; I hope that the Dunker Spot videos will always be a place where you get to talk about your Basketball passion on your terms - these videos are awesome.
I have never seen a player with such an impact on the game since I have been watching basketball since 1995. Jokić, Yes, im from Serbia so what?
haha google Tim Duncan
@@laiiididiiirJokic does more for his team. Jokic is probably the most efficient and consistent player I have ever seen on a night in night out. Duncan is a much better defensive player but what Jokic brings to the table on the offensive side it’s really unfair. There has never been a player in the NBA like Jokic. He is a unicorn.
@@laiiididiiir I told you I've been following basketball since 1995 so I know who Tim Duncan is. I'm still telling you the obvious
@@TonySop Thanks.
Since 1995???
Did you not see Shaq, Jordan, Duncan, Lebron?
JJ on behalf of the Spurs hive and off the strength of the Coach Pop and Coach K alliance we accept your apology and look forward to enjoying your great podcast. We would like to avoid future run ins but will stop at nothing to defend Wemby.
Not only why I love but also makes me prefer former or current NBA player podcasts over say ESPN is because you actually learn about the game. Not just about the players themselves but the game itself. I love the game. Not the personal lives of the players. Not just who’s playing well but how they’re playing well. What enables them to play well. I want the dirt not the sparkle. Thank you guys for providing it.
These guys bring good energy. Thanks for bringing them on, JJ
Been watching basketball many many years and haven’t seen a player affect the game in so many areas as Nikola Jokić. Failing to recognize his generational talent and what he is doing this year is absurd. He’s breaking records on a weekly basis. You guys are splitting hairs, Jokić just uses his entire head.
Nah! If Wemby weighed as much as Jokic her would dominate him
This was a great, great basketball conversation.
rename the jokic section to shai because thats all you talked about
Thank you! i hoped someone noticed
You watched the video??
nickname for Nikola J. is definitely THE MACHINE
..man just go and go and he can't be stopped by anyone
Thank you!
It's good you've posted this before Thunder- Lakers game.
I love this show so much. I’ve learned so much about basketball since it started. Just learned what a cross match is 😊
Watch Jokic 2 to 3 seconds before he makes his crazy passes. He's always looking for where everyone is, sometimes as a pass is in the air coming to him in the post. When the ball gets to him he can just touch pass it wherever he wants. You really have to defend his VISION early in the shot clock.
Webby starting to look beautiful in the post. Love it.
He’s been shooting more post fades recently, if he masters that it’s OVER over for the league
I just don’t feel like shae affects wining for okc the same way Jokic does for Denver. That’s my mvp values at least
And that's what a good majority of those media heads don't understand
That’s your opinion
I really think it's because of Jokic's position. I think great bigs usually are bigger difference makers than great guards/small forwards. His versatility and consistency is bonkers as well. Jokic can create plays with or without the ball and that's something most players can't/don't do.
They're literally the one seed with no other all star level player unlike jokic having murray and arguably the best starting 5 in the league wtf do you mean he doesn't have the same effect on winning? Without SGA thunder are not even a playoff team, without jokic nuggets are still a 44 win team 😂
@@TheOmniscientHuman First of all, the Thunder aren't currently the 1-seed. That's the Twolves, with both the Nuggets and the Thunder being tied a single win below them.
Second, funny you say that, given the exact opposite is true for the Nuggets. Murray is good, but he's not the number one on any team above .500. AG and MPJ heavily rely on Jokic's output to get their value, and KCP isn't exactly an all-star. The reason they have the best starting 5 in the league is because Jokic brings out the best in literally all of the players he works with. His two-man game enables Murray, his connection with AG gives him massive value, and his ability to collapse the defense gives MPJ and KCP so many more opportunities to find shots. They function because he's out there.
Now, I'm not saying that SGA isn't an insanely good player, and that he doesn't massively enable his team. However, the Thunder have been going at full blast for the majority of the season, whereas the Nuggets have been handling injuries and are still coasting and struggling to figure out their bench struggles. They're relatively close, but I'd still give Jokic the edge given the situation.
There’s nothing wrong with changing your opinion when the evidence changes JJ. I was personally a believer in Wemby for ROTY, but I understand why at least at the time people were making the case for Chet. People who wanna burn you at the stake for changing your opinion act like they’ve never changed their opinion about anything in their lives. Just keep doing you and keep giving us good content.
But the truth is Wemby was ALWAYS better than Chet and more deserving of ROY. Everyone could see that except, for some reason, these pundits. Wemby had to create a giant chasm between Chet and him for everyone to finally acknowledge what we all could see. But it's not fair to Wemby that he needs to be THAT much better for people to finally accept what was already true before.
It worked, have never received a recommendation from his channel before.
Barring any major injuries, wemby can truly become a top 20 player of all time
he’s looking for the goat title not top 20
Wembanyama can become the GOAT. He'll be the MVP within two years. The only question is whether injuries will derail his career, as he has a very delicate frame.
Top 20 would be a disappointment. If he is healthy there is no reason he shouldn’t go down as top 10 minimum. Dude is our Wilt Chamberlain
His rookie season isn't over yet and people are already crowning him?
That's way too low for his potential. Both Jokic and Giannis are already both top 20 all time easily, and Wemby's ceiling is way higher
Love the stats Dunkers!
Another really underrated thing with what Wemby is doing on the defensive end is that not only is he out-blocking everyone he is fouling far less those who are closest to him and it's even crazier when you consider his combined stock numbers. This is nuts for any player in the league and let alone the fact rookies are normally super foul prone
I think people hear stats and say stuff like "cherrypicked" but I think what they really say is not that he's the greatest ever, it's that this player is a type of player we've never seen and who knows what his teams will even look like because he's capable of a combination of things no other player has really been able to do.
"Basketball is fun" ❤
-JJ Reddick
JJ is arguably the most intellectual analyst, he can see things that most analyst can't see, most analyst only can see the surface stuff
Would love to see you show side by side pics of Wemby, rookie Garnett, Giannis and Kansas Embiid for comparison/potential.
all hail the algorithm, watched the entire episode it was amazing.
Flippant a great word of the day
Wemby is the guy. If he hits the weights like Giannas that's when it gets SUPER SCARY😂😂😂😂😂😂
41 % on pull up 3’s is ridiculous for a rookie. I had no idea he was hitting them like that. Their breakdown of his stats and having the most points per minute since Jordan even more so solidified how great Vic is in my mind. The eye test already had shown it, but I love their nuance breakdown. They really understand the game
Dunker spot guys are the best
nice conversation with Baron Davis and Daniel Cormier
Watching Wemby run other bigs through screens like Reggie Miller the last couple of times I have watched is nuts. They will have two lottery picks next draft. If they end up with something like Dillingham and Sarr, as a Lakers fan, I weep for the future.
In 3 years Wemby will be the best player in the world.
Also appreciate the discussion of athleticism in the Jokic segment. He's an elite level athlete at everything except vertical / lateral explosiveness. He's actually super quick in his footwork, he's fast in a straight line, he has the best hands and best coordination in the game, while being the best thinker of the game the last 4 years with the best control of the game as well.
How many of the screens set were moving?
Seen a lot of "Jordan type" players, but this guys are unique
Would love to see a Nuggets vs Spurs playoff series in a couple years. Jokic vs Wemby would be interesting for sure
I agree, basketball is fun.
Is there anybody that loves basketball more than Steve? lol he smiles so big constantly
Algo blessed me
Glad u came around finally eye test said otherwise from the start tho
Wemby ain’t here to compete with rookies at all. He’s competing agaisnt full made all stars in their prime already
Remember when JJ said Chet is the clear ROTY and it’s not even close😂😂😂
I'm a simple man. I see a Wemby video and I click like.
Have you noticed that he is not only blocking shots, but retaining possession of the blocked shot as well?
Yeah he usually just snags the ball away, which is really important context to note. Thanks for pointing that out
I'm not hating on the Dunker's Spot guys, love em, but where are the Legs epusodes? Feels like its been a while!
Just out of curiosity, what does the argument for Wemby for DPOY look like?
I wonder if JJ gets a plus 1 or 2 for when he broadcast and takes the dunker spot guys when he is in town?
Nekias excited to discuss fringe top 10 MVP candidates- Very on-brand
Wemby's feel for where the contact is coming before it gets there is uncanny. When he is 20 lbs heavier and finishing through contact, it will be over. 2027 is when i would project he is the best player in the world.
Welcome to the Slim Duncan era
The rookie of the Year race ended about a month ago. Wemby is the rookie of the Year and it's just a shame that it won't be a 100% ballot.🎉
There's a Wemby before THAT matchup vs Giannis and there's the current Wemby that came up after that game IMO
Dude, I love Wemby.
6th highest usage rate and the highest of a rookie in 45 years? I had no idea, love this pod. Wondering who the rookie was from 45 years ago
Please weigh in on how OP 05-06 Wade and Chi Rose were
I do think Wemby is playing great for his useage rate and is heading for ROTY but im tipping my hat to Chet hes going to be a great player and looking forward to seeing him grow and blossom into a great as well
I absolutely love the content but too many commercials guys.
JJ damnit we need a old man and like 9 or 10 things. Please 😊
You used team record against Wemby in January!!
Ya'll talked about shai almost the whole jokic section
The disrespect towards Sebonis as an all star and MVP is insane. He’s having an insane season
MVP is a stretch. He should have been an all star though I agree.
The difference to me is Jokic has 50 plus double doubles to SGA 7.. and 20 triple doubles to SGA 0
MVP is close but I think whoever leads winshare 48 at the end should win, they are neck to neck with Jokic leading currently.
Jj thank you for bringing the ad point. The lakers coaching staff has done him a disservice all year 🤦🏾♂️ by not running the offense thru him creatively. It’s actually pissing me off as a fan watching them do this
You’ve redeemed yourself JJ. Thanks from a spurs fan
Fortunately for the NBA, non US players are here to save your League, the NBA's top 5 players and the ROY are non US players....
Ur acting like Euros are the savior here 😂 The NBA made the league this way on purpose in order to grow the game. The rest of the world didn't climb the walls to get in the NBA. The NBA opened the door🙄
“Let’s talk about Jokic”… proceed to just talk about free throw merchant SGA whose team was scheduled less b2b’s for the whole season (among many other reasons why SGA is not better than Jokic)…
JJ reddick plzz talk about white chocolate! and his game, how good was he?
I love that they pretend to talk about advanced stats as an argument for SGA as if SGA actually has a lead on Jokic. But when you look it up, Jokic almost has a clean sweep including the defensive categories
Jokic leads SGA in:
True shooting, PER, defensive WS, WS/48, BPM, OBPM, DBPM, VORP, offRtg, defRtg, usage%.
Shai is ahead in total WS and offensive WS, where Jokic is #2. That's it.
Hahahah the intro.
JJ, you should have known, Wemby told you that he "is free in that universe", he doesn’t see any limit, lol.
Between Jokic and SGA, since they're so close advance-stats-wise, just let the standings decide it.
When wemby finally develop a very quick thinking, almost instinctively, as he gains NBA experience, the pick and roll switches to mismatches will be automatic, he will be a much faster and longer giannis geez. NOTE: that is only his inside game...
The “court mapping” reference you made is something that in football⚽️ it is taught early that you should pick your head up whilst you play, scan the field, calculate in antecipation, then make a decision, players that can master this can never be outplayed by athleticism or just skills, the mental game is the tier players like Messi/ Jokic; Zidane/Rondo; Luka/De Bruyne; players with spacial awareness and playmaking hability render scorers useless
You didn't at all talk about the fact that Victor Wembanyama did everything he does in just 28 minutes per game! Only 28min!! Amazing !
He was limited for 1 month to 24 minutes per match and today he never plays more than 31 minutes!
Any superstar plays approximately 38 to 43 minutes per games! No one is ready yet when they really get all their minutes
He should stop tryna predict everybody’s future kuz the TYRESE HALIBURTON PREDICTIONS ARE HILARIOUS!!! 🤣🤣🤣
The highet ppg in yr 21 behind Bron is Vince Carter with 7 ppg. Lebron is averaging 10 pts in the 4th quarter lol on 25-7-7
I like how they spend all of jokics time talkin about Shai