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the click bait in this channel is disgusting.
Yes.
As if apus could beat dedicated graphic cards.
Horrendous
Next up NVIDIA next gen performance is up to 5x higher than last Gen. Forgets to say that's when comparing the 4060 with DLSS off vs 5090 with DLSS on performance mode
I didn’t even watch past the ad. Just comments and leaves
next - intel HD graphics beats rtx 5090 at 8K 120
Lol did you watch the video, cope
I would 100% look into that kind of APU from AMD.
Power APUs?> I'll welcome that, perfect for HTPC and lounge room gaming.
@@RAM_845 It would mean less power draw overall and more importantly a pathway to have some really capable ITX builds for small areas
@@pgmhg9805 Exactly and way cheaper to build!
@@pgmhg9805 Also, an easier pathway to future upgrades. You just replace the APU a few years down the line, and you get a CPU and GPU upgrade. Add some RAM if you want, which is continuously being improved at this point. DDR 5 is insane compared to early DDR. I remember when PC133 was considered fast.
@@jonathanscherer8567 " PC133 was considered fast", you are old!!!!
I remember too, lol, I am old too.
Bro their apus already are better than my 1650
Do you call the 1650 a gpu???😂😂
@@Rayu25DemonYes
@@Rayu25Demon Yes
@@Rayu25Demon Yes
@@Rayu25Demon Yes
thats insane. that would be absolutly insane, a 4060 as an igpu. wowzers
4060 ti almost desktop or 4070 laptop performance
Oh yeah but literally the same power draw as a 4060 ti. They are doing nothing but take a big GPU and slam it right next to the CPU without any Vram and calling it an I-GPU.
@@TuxikCEthat is what an apu is.
@@kitty.x3 And that is also what people think an I-GPU is.
@@TuxikCE because an igpu is just the overhead term, so theyre even correct
You're telling me that we can't have old fashioned pizza ovens because of their environmental impact, meanwhile a bunch of new CPU are coming out at 500w?
Well sir that is correct Save the environment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Too bad we are using as much power as several countries just for servers well Germany and Japan and that's A lot of people and industry.
those chips are gov subsidized, so they can do no harm😂
CPU and GPU combined, you have to compare both combined against the APUs so it's really mich closer
500w CPU can be used to post news about environment.
Can old fashioned pizza ovens do that?
@@Hilman_Faiz yes
Like the APUs, now if one the devs would optimize their titles.
"Written for intel, runs better on amd"
They won't.
It's weird since most consoles use AMD APUs. You'd think optimizing for these would be old hat by now.
@@jonathanscherer8567not any more none of the New gen xbox or ps use apus and ps4 didnt use apu also xbox stopped using apus after 360
@@vekazu_is_great_guy They use a special APU, sometimes described as an SoC, for the PS5. It's pretty much the same story for the XBOX Series X. I'm sure there are differences as these are tailor made by AMD for these consoles. Mobile versions of these have never been released, in part due to the high (for mobile) power requirements. I suppose they'd eat into GPU sales if they were were released for desktops. Though, the current version remains on Zen 2 for the CPU architecture. A Zen 4 version would be nice, with RDN 3.5. We are to dream.
ANy of you who are old enough to remember when GPU's were integrated to the motherboard? Nvidia Nforce? If I recall that was the southbridge chipset...where the northbridge catered for RAM usb etc.
That was simply the evolution of iGPUs before the northbridge got integrated in the CPU. There's a difference between iGPU and dGPU. iGPUs don't have their own memory bus and were constrained by the memory controller of the chipset (or CPU for K8 to K10 AMD CPUs), while dGPUs have their own memory bus and memory, even if there were always low-end cards that were really barely better than ATI integrated graphics - intel's integrated graphics were absolute crap before they integrated the northbridge in the CPU aka the first gen core CPU, as they updated their graphics architecture to be finally able to cover generic media operating tasks the need of bottom range GPUs fell off, that's why AMD isn't selling such anymore, plus the fact AMD was already releasing APUs with decent capabilities. Now the Strix Halo is a chip that is worthy of being considered a replacement of more budget oriented CPUs as this thing has a massive size - we've never had APUs with such GPU proportions, what's left for intel styled integrated graphics that are meant for generic tasks. Now the memory bus is still shared, but 256 bit bus - the 7600 has a 128bit bus, the 6700XT has a 192bit one. Now the memory will be slower and shared for both CPU and GPU - so the overall performance slightly so, it's meant for notebooks after all - but that still gives it serious capabilities. Now to break some illusions - it will be quite expensive simply because a chip of such size + the needed system that would likely feature quad channel memory design will demand resources and be more bulky aswell. Still this should be way more flexible than existing solutions, another go for AMD to push Nvidia and intel out of their mobile/embedded market as the latter can't offer such combined solutions. Still we are about to see the usual "rebates" by the traditional monopolists to retain their spot in the market and not allow AMD to return their investments.
@@herobrinecyberdemon8104 I agree but modern iGPUs have come a long way, this will make handheld PC gaming more appealing too.
Yes I remember that , that's the grandfather then nvidia or motherboard makers ditch that, then amd come to the rescue to integrate it instead in the cpu
@@PremiereGameplay4K Nvidia would have kept selling chipsets if intel didn't integrate the northbridge in the CPU and in the meantime breaking the compatibility their previous otherwise archaic designs had regarding platform flexibility. That was the end for Nvidia chipsets and integrated graphics - AMD kept the northbridge for AM3+ so an Nvidia chipset would've been possible, but demand for Nvidia chipsets was mostly on the intel front, knowing intel doesn't make crappy CPUs only. Intel silently damaged Nvidia back then, though it's interesting how those two monopolists would play it now, knowing Nvidia is the only major chip company in the US that didn't fall into losses cause of the crashing of the chip market. Nvidia still stands cause of the monopoly they've established in AI, however Intel has been loyal to the White House for awhile and they should receive more favor cause of it.
@@PremiereGameplay4K ATI Radeon GPU built-in lol IBM computers had them in the past. I'm approaching 40 years old lol so yeah
This APU will end up in a VR headset! for desktop standalone VR AR content.
'Yo, pass me an aspirin? It's getting a lil' heated up here.' 💀
broo imagine playing 240 hz+ on a VR headset... things would be soo smoooth and fast
@@aohjiiWe need headsets to support 10gbps or 20gbps or maybe even 40gbps
nope, the power needed to that would be massive
ARM is the future for this kind of thing
@@MitchellTheMitch im talking about stand alone headset with APU's of this calibur we wouldnt need to rely on a PC
power up them integrated graphic so we can build tiny PCs!
And more powerful handheld consoles.
Or laptops
i suppose a new type of motherboard should be out that has laptop ram slots
I'm actually using a 8700G right now and I can tell ya, my friend: it suits me better than I expected. It runs smoothly the games I like to play (from RE 2 ~ 8), LOL, Diablo 4, Hellblade, etc; and its just great for working as well (systems analyst).
Cool... Have you tried playing but more demanding AAA sandbox shooting early access games..... For example Scum (0.95). and on what resolution are you playing ?
@@antoniocepaj7544 good question: I forgot to mention I play them in 1080p, and try to reach at least stable 30 fps. Everything as high as possible, differently from most reviews online. I'm no enthusiast; haven't tried any current AAA, but mostly because none have caught my attention. As for 30 fps, it might be too little for some, but playing RE games, and many other its just enough for a decent experience (and ninja theory seems to agree with me though lol). Sure i get way more than that in some, but if i have to choose between quality and performance, I'll push it to the limit (30).
Tbh re games run on my old 2500 ryzen all but settings down on no 8
💀 this dude is a robot.
Awesome! Been an Amd/ ATI guy from the beginning.
from 1985? fr?
I've been a price to performance guy from the beginning. If Intel or Nvidia do better, I'll choose them instead.
@@malzergski ATI because they were Canadian and underdogs.
@@malzergski Yep!
I'm also a value guy ;-)
Used different CPU manufacturers and videocard manufacturers without any problems to switch between them.
Bro, that seductive pose over the desk caught me off guard lol.
He wants to give people nightmares
@@fade2black001 lol
I never liked the performance of all amd am4 apus.
But of the new apu is close to 4060 performance i will buy and forget about GPUs for awhile.
Why didn't you like am4 apus? The 5600G is probably the best way to have a work pc that can also handle some light games for very cheap
@justmatt2655 weak performance, but an apu like 4060 and 6700xt is acceptable if the price is under 350$
@@Rayu25Demon 5600G is better than UHD730/770
@@Rayu25Demon you are mistaken amd does not make apus for budget people any more expect the price to be 450+ at a minimum
@@justmatt2655Indeed, my entire family is running one or another flavor of the 5600G or 4600G. They couldn't be happier in what is what those PCs offer them (they really do not require more, indeed I'd say they have more powerful CPUs than they need).
A lot of people don’t understand wattage to amps, computers especially gpu’s are going to need a dedicated circuit as most homes have 20 amp breakers with multiple outlets on that single breaker.
what kind of giant heatsink would you need to cover that apu? theres 3 fans usually on a 40?? series gpu. plus the cpu itself.....
That APU would be great adition to those Mini PC
It will be portable gaming computer from now on - too bad we're likely to see Nvidia again bribing prebuilt system manufacturers, hope AMD makes sure they have reliable partners to make their systems this time, else Strix Halo would remain in the storehouses.
Do you think future arm soc still have external graphic card socket ?
When they can pull off 4080 perfomance on just an APU, I'll fully upgrade my system
I can already see it: newer PCs are gonna be shipping with just APUs and AIOs, SUPER CLEAN setups with AAA+ performance
Only a matter of time
You would need more ram
That's exactly what I'm thinking. I just upgraded to a 6900xt from a 6700xt. Once they beat out that. I'd totally do a full rebuild into a mini PC with water cooling. Much cleaner and more desk space!! I think a build in something like ther thermaltake tower mini would be cool with an APU like that.
Nah as APUs advance so will GPUs.
Maybe at one point APUs will become the norm for consumers but even more powerful GPUs would be made for nerds like engineers,scientists,etc.
@@dripmogus6979 "Time, as always, will tell." 🤷🏾♂️
@@dripmogus6979 APUs are advancing WAY faster than GPUs. I'm sure discreet GPUs will continue to be relevant for high-end users, but APUs will most likely eat up the low and mid range within a couple of years at most.
anyone know if it is going to be strix halo range to 9000 series, or if 9000 is going to be strix point range of performance
Its like the same story as the math co-processor. It used to be a separate optional chip on the motherboard and now it is just built in on the CPU. In a way, a GPU is just a graphics co-processor also.
5 minute video and half of it was a commercial lol
My only worry for Strix point is the price. If we do some basic guessing
Amd 7950x 16 core cost $600 new right now. And add a Igpu that could rival mid range card and well. It could be worth just under $1000.
Not really I'm guessing around 500-600€
Impressive if they can pull it off, but I'm holding onto my doubts until release. It's still going to pull system memory, which is significantly slower than the onboard memory packed into GPUs.
Yeah but if it even achieves even 90% of 6700xt or 4060ti level of performance believe me we are in for a ride.
Exactly my thoughts, but the leaked benchmarks, if true, are full fps video game scenarios, not just math equations. I imagine to achieve these results some expensive system ram will be needed.
It's perfect for someone like myself who is a casual gamer. I don't want an external graphics card. I want a system that works for indy games now, and then 5-15 years later it gets reused into a media center PC giving it a 30+ year lifespan. A computer that I can use for most of my life without any downsides. That's an amazing value proposition. The last time we had value like that was the Sandy Bridge 2nd i-series CPUs and the Nvidia 10 series. Once every decade or so a really good deal appears, as long as it doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
@@Danielle_1234it requires quad channel ran, it will be everything but cheap. It's more of a MacBook pro competitor with good sustained battery life which only Apple offers so it should be priced accordingly
Depends. The cost of moving data between RAM and VRAM is lower when VRAM is where the RAM is, and if those chips use unified memory (meaning CPU and GPU access the same memory directly, with no need to move anything anywhere at all) then it could be a serious performance booster. Moving data between RAM and VRAM in general is expensive
how apu is going to cool with am5 heatspreader?
Intel with 288cores be doing a screen of green of weed yet are only using a 1L pot for each plant xD
the way he got elevated on the desk XD it got me bad XD XD
It's about time the integrated solid state GPU technology is coming out... The ridiculously priced GPU bricks need to go... 💥
Put those two together: CPU draw and massive APU. Wonder how much power Strix is going to require.
Still les then an Intel chip.😂
@@xXXEnderCraftXXxindeed😂
I'm curious will this gpu actually be a useful upgrade from something like 7900 x3d
Is that Amd Ryzen 9000 APU going to have a laptop chip version? And if so, what is the iGPU performance going to be like?
Wow. I never thought i'd see the day that PC's would start dimming household lights when turned on. I mean, we are literally starting to get into the space heater realm. If i cut off the gas heating will these keep the room warm? :D
Yes
Is ARM any good for desktop computers ?
Better ask if the software is good enough to support it - but Microsoft is pushing support themselves as they began using ARM for their handheld systems, they most likely have agreements with Qualcomm.
Did Qualcomm also generated the same CPU X86 bugs
What Socket it Works
AM4
Should i build a ryzen 7600 and rx 7600xt build or should wait for ryzen 9000 series
wait for the 9k series them build the 7600 and rx 7600 normal
or the 7600 x and the rx 7600 xt
@@Keloot but 9000 series apu r as powerful as Rx 6700 so should I just go for the apu instead which one will give me more performance ?
@@Harsh-io2zg in apus you won't get vram
I'm rly hoping that if snapdragons new laptop cpu does well that they start doing desktop variants too, would love to see the potential of arm processors in the diy pc space
It seems a lot is progressing, I plan for an upgrade to the AMD 9000 series but I require a B750 motherboard than the current B650.
These apus sound amazing but have to wait and see. I know handhelds will benefit from them but I'm more thinking about making a little E-machine.
This is too big for handheld. MAYBE a tablet of the largest size - it's minimum TDP is 45W, and will likely require quad channel memory setup. It's meant to make notebooks between budget and mid-range gaming or embedded (now gaming) systems more affordable.
Why would you put it in a handheld you would only get 10 to 20 minutes of use
@@terryking1094 Its more of a trickle down affect of what the high-end will be and guessing what the low-end will be. I meant the next generation of apu's sounds good. So the high end power consumer will be in desktops but the lower-end will be in handhelds.
haha, that desk bit
those small handheld gaming sets use these, so i am not surprised. the future is integrated everything in the chip. ram too. cpu/gpu shared.
Hopefully better performance without draining the battery so quick while gaming.
Does not having VRAM matter in APU? As in they’ll utilize RAM?
APU shares with system RAM as its buffer. dGPU has its own VRAM because system RAM cannot cope the bandwidth needed by dGPU.
Not to mention license per cores for some certain app
I hope their GPU drivers becomes stable by the time of release. I had to return 7940HS mini PC for instability while conecting more than one monitor. The unit was fast and would work for me, if it was stable. The integrated GPU was crashing all the time even in browser not to mention gaming. I could not even downclock it as APUs cannot be downclocked or upvolted in Radeon Adrenaline or other tools like MSI Afterburner.
since there is already cpu+gpu option, this apu will only work if the power draw is so low it boost battery life on gaming notebooks or handhelds or mini pcs. I think this it is the future. would go for it if reasonably priced
Anyone noticed his neckline when he talks about the desk? Looks slanted. Do you think he's noticed?
the gaming power they are able to fit in APU'S is amazing.
strix halo sounds good
Great video. AMD has been saying the future of graphics is gonna be an IGPU. Looks like it's getting closer to becoming that. At what level of performance do we need with a IGPU for them to totally replace Discreet cards?
My 6700xt botta be replaced by a cpu 😭
Excellent show off of the desk! 😂
I actually have a flexi spot desk i got last year it is amazing I love this desk.The ability to move it up and down as I sit stand pace while I work from home and I am on the phone. It is a really good desk. It as helped me significantly with neck and shoulder pains from the weird ways I would have to use my mouse and keyboard when working form home.
If it's even half as good as a 4060 I am buying one when someone makes a mini PC based around it. Might also be fun to build a passively-cooled gaming PC around this since you no longer have to worry about cooling a separate GPU.
The 3200g can game AC odyssey at low setting with over 60fps. I didn't know until I was waiting for cooling pad for my GPU and switch to Apu and tried....😮
If this apu matches performance with a mid level cpu and gpu combo, even at $450 bucks, then here comes my next sub 5L gaming pc!
This is a 9945HX with a massive iGPU - so 900$ minimum, plus it will have quad channel memory layout (4 DIMMs minimum), that also means it won't come for AM5 but embedded systems and notebooks. Still there's a cut down model (those results with 32CUs, with 12 CPU cores), it will be good enough at 700$ cause you shouldn't be expecting the next GPU gen to not come with a price increase. One should be able to manufacture a powerful mini-PC for 1500$ with good thermals and a large SSD.
@@herobrinecyberdemon81049955HX to be precise (the 5 as third digit indicates a new generation). Might be even 8955HX (the 8 as first digit specifies the year it is made).
This one of the reason why I am looking forward for a power an APU with at least 60cu's, because I can tell it's potential if it has X3D technology on it, I believe there were People who benchmark one ryzen X3D processor with integrated GPU that had boosted the GPU performance so much with X3D. The good thing with this platform is that you don't need those monster GPU cards that could cramped up your CPU Case, you only need a good Water cooler for the Processor, then your good.
My minipc basically covers my daily tasks, Ryzen 9 7940HS is more than enough for also casual gaming. If I need more power occasionally I turn on my desktop pc
For the number of cores, the TDP is no shock.
At this point PCs should come with a heat pump that hooks up to your house...
I would love to see these APUs in an upgradable laptop like the frame work, definitely game changer in terms of efficiency and space
This will be soldered - it has a quad channel memory interface by all likes and AMD hasn't made such specific socket yet, not to mention system builders would prefer soldered CPUs so that you can't upgrade them.
You called the last 2 generation of APU's for monsters too, you are good at selling stuff that are bad.
The Small form factor pcs that can be made from this is insane
how much is a 16c/32t 40cu apu gonna cost if it has mid tier performance... its gonna cost an arm and a leg
What wonderful news! I still want an iGPU and dGPU combo on any gaming laptop for redundancy purposes though. Still waiting for the time when AMD iGPUs can work together with dGPUs for more performance.
This APU + Software that allows it support GPU to offload some work of it... That could work well and boost old GPUs.
That's a mistake. There isn't enough silicon on the IO chiplet to accommodate that many CUs
I watched the ad because you gave it 100%
this channel is latterly only clickbait and thumbnails.
Strix halo with 8+8c/16t shud be beastly enough plus that 40cu rDNA 3.5 igpu perfect for Gaming laptops/minisforum tab
i still feel that a seperate GPU is still gonna be better than intergrated.
For now :)
If the new apu is true then i think the entry to midrange gpus will become obsolete and only high end ones will remain relevant.
@@jessierosenqueen5644 Agreed and that will save PC builders money in the long run and MINI PCs will improve too.
My last pc with an separate Soundcard was back in 2003, every new build after it had a good enough onboard soundcard. And now the GPU and USB can also give audio output. Only audiophiles buy a separate soundcard now.
When CPU’s can beat mid end GPU’s, The only buyers of a separate GPU will be the “Graphicsphile”
R.I.P. GPU
@@Bintzak You mean A.I enthusiasts lol
I would do a new build just for that monster APU
i would absolutely get an apu system if its priced well enough, been looking to upgrade my system but just havent found anything intriguing enough and this might just be it
Going to need a install a 20 amp breaker for my office.
better install 3 phase electrical power. :))
I mean if it hits 4060 performance, this is dope. If they can keep it reasonably cheap, they'll sell by the boat load.
Holy moly, AMD's integradted GPU is as fast as my RTX 4060. For SFF builds like mine, with this CPU we can make build which are sub 5 L in volume, insane.
I can't imagine the cooling that's going to be required for those... It's already difficult to keep the higher end ryzen cpus cool
the price for AMD Strix Halo will be the deciding factor if it is a success. I'm hoping for around $450 to $550 max.
Flexispot or other manufacturers _need_ to start making copper-topped, glass-topped, or stainless steel layered desks. Eventually, these wooden desks crack, corrode, and then house microorganisms. If the work-at-home era didn't compel corporations to design desks with more resilient materials, what will?
If this is true, it's going to be like a normal laptop with a dedicated graphics card. You'll get a fat ass APU instead of a CPU and a GPU. Let's see how it goes with thermals. Great idea no matter what happens
The fact that they even shape the announcement of "Next-Gen CPU from AMD" with a 5 RIGHT NEXT TO IT is a dead give-away!
Can't wait for the next GPD or other windows handheld with this amazing APU ,this time i will upgrade my 2020 GPD Win max intel 10th series
strix halo: usb4 & low power ddr5 ? X ? 8533mhz native support or over clocked? REALLY COOL IS THE 256BIT L1 CACHE THIS IS A GREAT PERFWATT JUMP...was expecting to see 512bit to 1024bit given the drop to the next size below nanometers
I won't be impressed, if this cpu with its igpu is the same price or more expensive than cpu with same power + 4060ti
And after thar we need to for mobile SoCs to outpower desktop parts
6700xt on a cpu? That would be a dream came true its easier to cool on the summer maybe, but im here to see
Intel states TDP is not the maximum power processor can dissipate. It is an information for CPU cooler makers to know, how to design a cooler adequate for chips, considering their actual power draw, but also things like surface area or core distribution on the die.
Also, those are not intended for mainstream use anyways. Those are server CPUs, where perf/W is actually key metric. Hence if they bring enough performance to justify crazy power draw, that's more than worth it.
Imagine that APU in a handheld like the Legion go or Asus rog ally it would be insane.
Imagine the thermals 😂
This might be a game changer. Budget ballers might go nuts.
When RISC came out the purpose was to reduce cores and just make instructions simpler. Where does this leave RISC ?
Sounds more like a console APU rather than a desktop one? PS5 pro perhaps?
The price of Strix Halo will be astronomical lol
That's a 9945HX with a huge iGPU, what did you expect? 900$ to 1000$.
@@herobrinecyberdemon8104 no, I'm just saying, it would be expensive, a lot more than strix point
@@shadowlemon69 The CPU would never be sold out separately as it won't come with a socket - it's hard to compare prices at that point. Anyway it's going to be cheaper than a CPU+Nvidia dGPU system with comparable performance, and noticeably so. Meaning the price comparison would be actually won by Strix Halo - as an APU solution is cheaper overall than a CPU+dGPU one, none of the notebook manufacturers would sell a Strix Point 16 core model without a dGPU - or any of the Strix Point models with chiplet based CPUs, you can't even see a gaming notebook with the usual APUs without a dGPU aswell, as most of the smaller APUs would now go for ultrathin systems anyway. As a matter of fact we should be asking is AMD planning to release a Strix Halo with just a single CPU die - they have a 12 core CPU/32CU GPU model too as shown on these leaked images yet still it would be more CPU cores than a lot of customers would look for. 8 cores + 28CU GPU would be perfect for budget gaming notebooks.
I've been looking into APU's in the form of mini pc's (5700U/5800H) Vs desktops, in conclusion desktops are still king for performance, but the 9000 series APU's? 🕵
Almost 4 minutes of a 7 minute video was an ad 🤦♂️
Just clicked on the video for the clickbait, Gamers Bait is the best channel !!!!!
I definitely want to see that APU in the next-gen Steam Deck.
That would make laptopa with affordable possible and i would not be overheating coz of 2 chips inside small box
That pose😂
hmmm... mini pc with Strix Halo...
Alert: New competitor for AMD and Intel
*Gamer Meld: Draw me like one of your French girls*
The thing that makes this very exciting for me is the prospect of far better handhelds with better GPU performance. Maybe even some killer tablets
This is a 9945HX with a massive iGPU at 45W minimum and by all likes requiring quad channel memory layout. Forget about tablets and handhelds, notebooks and mini-PCs it is made for.
What kind of cooling does that 500w Xeon need lmao
Good quality big and probably it's going to be expensive as F... Large server stuff is like way out average Joe's pocket realm 😂 like Google submersible data center 😂