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Ironically, intel's processors generally consume 5 times less power than ryzen on idle, with th 13900k idling at 10-15W. (Except for the 5800X3D apparently, which seems to idle at surprisingly low wattage)
Amd GPUs keywords : maybe , could be , what if , but ,when , next gen will be , perhaps , likely , possibly Edit - im not a hater been supporting amd cpus since ryzen 1700 i do hope they catch up at some point with the gpus but every single time there is something wrong.....
@@randymarsh4748 Sure I guess but it's also annoying as they get hyped to the moon every single launch then fall short every single time and disappoint us as consumers hoping for them to do better. I'd rather there be little to no hype until it's close/closer to launch time with actual facts about their upcoming gpus instead of well it's maybe this good etc.
Yeah, and AMD Fanboys still argueing they don't need raytracing "because that is a Gimmick". Meanwhile they are playing on 4k which actually is a gimmick because there is no visual improvement compared to 1440p and losing 50% power. Also NVidia has had Frame Gen for 2 Years now while AMD just catched up with AFMF. NVidia is just soooo far ahead of AMD right now that they can charge anything they want. And they do. It is totally worth it. AMD isn't cheaper it just offers less for less.
I was expecting the 7000 series of amd cards to be much better than they are but it was just a small performance uplift over the 6000 series of gpus, Only way to stick to these companies is by buying used cards or hanging onto whatever you have for a few years
@@jasonvors1922 i guess they was just figuring out what to do next after glorious 6000 series. also, unimpressiveness of 7000 made me happy that i've got baited by massive 6000 "end of life" discounts and bought 6950xt over fresh radeon or nvidia (mind that mining's nuclear fallout was still rolling).
@@looks-suspicious What wrong with make profit from cheap gpu ? Second hand gpu market is huge if AMD can make newer and good value gpu people will happily buy brand new one rather than buy old and out of warranty gpu.
I will wait for independent testing before I believe that Dell leak. Hasn't Qualcomm gotten into trouble over underperforming when advertising better numbers before?
They want AMD to win in ray tracing too, even though there are only a couple handful of games that fully use it, and they end up using it to play Minecraft anyway 😂
@@BGravesThe average gamer plays games like fortnite and call of duty and nobody is turning on Ray tracing in call of duty. It's a novelty. It's trivial and a gimmick at this stage
@@dzibanart8521 Crazy right ? RT is still (and I'm amazed so to say it myself) USELESS IN 2024. In console game it's just the reflexions and in real RT games 90% of them look the same. Cyberpunk and Dying Light 2 won't make me buy an Nvidia GPU (Especially when DL2 runs perfectly on AMD hardware with RT)
I'm done with PC building. I just bought a RTX 4070 Ti Super this weekend and I said to myself, "What the hell am I doing? I can't afford to keep up with this nonsense." I've got the new card in a Ryzen 9 5900X PC with 12TB of storage, and 128GB of RAM. This is more than I need to get stuff done. I'll be saving my money from now on.
@@clarkkentll5490the consoles suck though. I've got an Xbox Series X that I haven't touched in 4 months, and a Series S in the closet that I only used for a month before the Series X was offered to me by my friend who was part of the MicroSoft Insider Club and was able to help me get one during the pandemic when nothing was available in the stores.
No ur right. It's not like the iphone where you think you have to buy the new one every year or 2. You invest/splurge on a high end PC and use it until it either wears out or just becomes not enough for your uses. Not everyone is playing maxed out games or video editing or running simulations. A 5900X and a 4070ti super could last you a decade with minor maintenance or upgrades.
If APUs are getting 4070 performance which is to be seen as I have my Doutes, but it will make you need as speedy and tightest timing ram you can get your hands on much more important because as it stands now the GPU core in the APU tends to bottom out before bandwidth will
@@genrabbit9995 Yeah true that. But let's say they do. By the time you pay for this 12 core APU and expensive ram to fully utilize the APU's GPU you would be cheaper and better off with cheaper ram and dedicated GPU as all that's built-in lol feel like nothing good can come of an iGPU that fast running off system ram. But I could be wrong. AT least not this fast atm.
@@forog1Yeah on paper the Asus ROG Ally blows away a Xbox Series S. In reality the Series S blows it out of the water. It’s because of thermals and memory bandwidth limitations.
If Intel is going to release new mobile chips using the "20A" process node *relatively* soon, the process parity gap should get much closer to the Qualcomm Snapdragon chip on TSMC's 4nm node than Alder Lake-P CPUs from Jan 2023 on the 10nm "Intel 7" node. Being ARM vs x86, it's still probably going to be more efficient, but comparing something unreleased with hype to a 1.5 year old chip on an even older process (Alder Lake was from 2021) is a strange comparison to make.
I still dont why people are fussing about arm processors as sure they have their advantages arm based machines often come with limitations such as bullshit like soldered in RAM or not being able to dual boot, or play games outside solitaire or reversi.
I thought some vendors had already come out a few weeks ago and said they aren’t getting nearly the performance Qualcomm is claiming out of these new chips in their upcoming products. In fact, they are slower than the competition.
why is there any decent game? do u even play 4k or have a good monitor? u been brainwashed.... go on vacations to some paradise instead of wasting money on shit
That's so crazy to believe that people are getting ready to transition over to ARM after half a century of x86. That blows my mind, Intel's architecture being permanently superseded could very well spell the end for Intel forever.
if its equal to a 4060 m (which is 10% less powerfull compared to the desktop varient ) it would mean 1080p medieum/high wont need a gpu anymore and laptops will start to become afordable
LOL you think they are going to drop their prices...that's cute. Once these companies get use to a certain income,(especially the stockholder), they never go back to lower prices. . Business ethics isn't taught in college, Communism is. SMH
its a RISC cpu, what do you expect? in fact, considering that, even with the nerfed performance it would still be better than i have ever imagined they'd ever get..
on the battery life side, especially because its for video playback. the screens in the laptops are not equivalent. i dare say these play a large part in that additional playback time as well, having newer model panels.
@@jasonvors1922 I think the same. Many times (especially Apple's M series-powered laptops) the efficiency increase are coming from other things that the CPU being on ARM. I still think ARM is more efficient, but like 10% more efficient, not 100% more efficient like many claim.
@@Winnetou17 False claims to get investors interested, Watch the movie the wolf of Wall Street sometime it shows how group think of investors that only think of short term investments instead of long term and that is why everything is going down the crapper in the economy worldwide
Outclasses Alder Lake in VIDEO PLAYBACK. OK, so they found the one metric that practically uses no processor at all and only published that result. Everything else, like actually using the laptop for work, browsing or gaming is anybody's guess. Kinda sus if you ask me.
Well considering an elite soc has half the cores and a third of the threads of an intel cpu and no l2 or l3 memory and no 'real' gpu I would certainly hope it was massively more battery efficient.
My mind is blown and my mouth agape over the fact that an unreleased ARM CPU on TSMC's 4nm is theoretically more efficient than than a chip from January of 2023, fab'd on the "Intel 7" 10nm Enhanced SuperFin node from 2021! 🤯🤯🤯
@@SlocusST well arm processors are more efficient that's the reason that why they're in phones and tablets etc. the question is who sits 29 hours a day watching videos on their notebook without access to a power outlet. i mean if that's all you do an arm processor that's cheap is the best option but what about performance? gaming or workloads? how fast can it render or compile etc. if you really just browse a bit and watch videos the real competitor are chromebooks. you don't need windows to watch videos or browse the internet in fact i would argue a linux based os can be much less bloated and efficient for these tasks. the only real reason to have arm for windows in that regard is for office work and the battery life in this setting is kinda redundant if you have a workspace with power outlets available. i guess the arm for windows is aimed at the more adventurous office worker that still wants to productive on his survival adventure trips and has only foldable solar panels for power available😅
The ARM CPUs are commonly designed for operating on a battery. ARM, the company, focuses on building their CPUs for running on batteries. Meanwhile, ARM, the company, does have licenses out for other companies to design their own ARM compatible CPUs, not restricted to being power efficient. Meanwhile for x86 CPUs, they must maintain the base x86 syntax in their decoder stage, which is a serious problem with their efficiency and performance. x86 was efficient when they were 8-bit and 16-bit CPUs and operations took microseconds and 100's of nanoseconds of time to complete. Backwards compatibility has its drawbacks. The variable width nature of the operations are fine, but they need to be redesigned out of 8-bit sequential decoding.
I hope Qualcomm isn't lying. All the OEMs said they cant replicate all those numbers and are falling behind by a long shot. I really hope Qualcomm isn't gonna flop this one.
on that last amd new bit, imma predict their next lineup is going to be using a Cuda equivalent, and rt cores that are able to rival nvidia cores. Probably why its going through a redesign, and also why they're sticking to lower end cause its new... And they dont know how far they can push it (yet) or are at some other kind of complication they're addressing now. Considering how bad the top end sku power adapters for nvidia cards have been cooking themselves, motherboards are frying cpus and themselves, power supplies are just frying or blowing.... The new stuff requires more juice, and more juice = more heat = more failures. efficiency is out the window and its all about that raw performance nowadays.... all new components come overclocked just below their ceilings as a default, and manufacturing for all these parts is still pretty expensive. Theres been so many failures between minor, to catastrophic; playing it safe is not a bad move. Trying to go for efficiency is also not a bad move. And i think they're pushing for that. gamers would love new, good perf. cpus and gpus that draw under 200w each. that would be an absolute game changer. if they converted that into data center cpus and gpus, they'd sell like mad for the power savings alone. even now, threadripper still does more for less than intel. Thats often why they get picked. intel for singular specific machines, amd general purpose.
There is a new standard LPCAMM2 that is supposed to replace SO-DIMM on laptops with soldered memory. I guess that hey are trying to guarantee that the memory os of good quality, because not all gamers invest in top quality / expensive memory (like G.Skill Trident for example). This is the same reasoning why top of the line smartphones don’t have a micro SD card slot anymore…
It would be cool if AMD also made some toolkit that could compete with CUDA. I know right now they have ROCm, but I've never seen it being used in the space of machine learning. If they actually tried to push the new GPUs in that direction, it could be a good competition so Nvidia would think twice about their prices.
I currenrly have a 6900xt. Right now I do not see a reason to upgrade to RDNA 4. But RDNA 5 will probably be when I upgrade. I used to upgrade sometimes twice per gen, then once, then every other gen. But with GPU prices the way they are and the slowing down of game development and graphic development within games, my 6900xt just works.
For AMD Strix Halo having soldered RAM, that 256-bit DDR5 is saying "Quad Channel" DDR5. This means for a laptop to use this APU with maximum RAM bandwidth, it needs 4 DIMM slots for 256bit. I can see the point of soldering a fixed amount of RAM on the board. Honestly, 32GB will handle most performance demands a laptop may have. Unless you buy a laptop with only 8GB total or a single 16GB stick, most people have no reason to replace the RAM in a laptop, unless it is bad.
I'm sure arm is much more efficient when watching video with running it's native code... bth what I really care about is when it's running non-native code because it's going to be quite a while until the entire x86 library is available in risc code
Cmon stop excusing companies for soldering ram into motherboards. 120w cpu on a thin notebook can't be a good idea. Either it will be thermal throttled to hell or it won't be thin, and if it's not thin there's no benefit to avoid it's upgradability. My guess is that it will be thin and trottled to hell, barelly reaching 60w so that you cant repair it or upgrade it to the benefit of the manufacturer.
Concerning E Elite chips: All cool and such but until x86_64 emulation becomes good and fast and/or more developer provide arm64 binaries this sadly remains a thing for edge cases. I hope that those new arm chips are as good as they say (there are doubts) and this puts fire under integrators and developers to push the architecture.
Thin notebooks with 64+ GB of soldered RAM would be nice or if LPCAMM manages a really thin enough formfactor then upgradability wouldn't be all that bad
I just bought a second 7900XTX because it's probably still going to be a better value than anything Nvidia sells in the next year (or is reasonably available), and we already know the top RX8000 is slower than 7900XTX so my bedroom PC may as well get a 450w heater to keep my toes warm while gaming.
I don't really think that AMD is in trouble here because they got pretty decent 35-65W options, and with both Zen 2+ as well as Zen 3 still around covering the entry level market, prices are decent as well. I mean there is the Ryzen 5 4500 for around $73, the R5 4600G for about $96 and the R5 5600G for about $135, all of which are very powerful and more than enough even for a FullHD gaming system. Still a pretty clear trend away from X86 and towards X86 compatible only.
Other then the fact I already have a 7800xt I kind of dont really mind the 8000 series being a "bug fix" refresh with a little bit better ray tracing and perhaps a little bit of up tuning to be slightly better. That said the only way I buy one is if the highest tier 8000 card has the power of a 7900xt or higher and costs $599 or less. However anyone still on 6000 or lower I would wait for 8000 and just skip 7000; unless you already have a 6900xt or 6950xt then I would just keep that until 9000 series. If the "8800xt" does however have say 5% more power then the 7900xt that still would be an upgrade over the 6900/6950xt that at the right price might be worth it. CPUs have refresh generations all the time why cant a couple video card generations be refresh / OC generations too? I would rather AMD decide to say this time around we are just going to "fix" the last generation and tune them a little to be optimized so we can focus on the next generation actually being competitive in the market with more then just price then to just keep squeaking out tiny 5% to 10% upgrades generation after generation. We used to refer to this as ticks and tocks with CPUS.
1:40 do not put too much trust in such numbers. The CPU in a laptop is only one of the consumers, there's the screen, RAM, storage, WiFi and so on. Not sure how they calculate those numbers, but I guess simply based on CPU power consumption. If the OEM uses power hungry components or makes bad presets regarding power saving stages, your battery life is anywhere
The analogy is correct, Gamer Meld just doesn't know or forgot to explain why. With RDNA3, the cache and memory controllers went into separate dies. RDNA4 was initially supposed to be the first generation with multiple dies for the compute units, but AMD was unable to make that design work in time. That's why they had to scrap the entire high-end lineup for RDNA4. With RDNA5, it should finally happen, hence the "Zen moment" for Radeon. Of course, this does NOT mean that the RDNA5 design will be awesome right away. But it should give AMD an advantage over Nvidia in the long run, just like it did with Zen over Intel. Unless Nvidia is already on top of this and planning to do the same...
I will definitely pick up Rx 9000s the flagship or second tier depending on the price/performance difference between the 2. Upgrade my CPU to zen5 8 or 12 core, RAM, and AM5. My system would be amd 555.
RDNA 4 was going to be the MASSIVE upgrade, and then it failed.... no top GPU to be released... why even talk about RDNA 5? I have news - RDNA 7 will be MUCH faster than previous generation!
well with 32 GB or 64GB fo ram , i don't see why you'd need to upgrade the ram on it , both configs could offer atleast 16GB of ram dedicated to graphic part of the APU.
Too many people forget that amd was before making the fastest and best gpus on the market. It's completely possible that they can again hold the title. We won't know though until they release the next cards. I won't hold my breath but given their success with their ryzen releases, I would assume that they will be releasing some very good hardware.
I wont believe snapdragon laptops are any good until we see it bench marked and reviewed, Its just really hard to have a good hardware/software combo on a brand new product.
Integrated graphics that is faster than mid ramge gpus. Hellllll yeah. Problem is recently I have been trying hard to buy 8k series amd apu laptops and I can't find ANY in the UK market. It supposed to be only a little bit more expensive than the 7k series yet the one I find is always linked up with ridiculously low amount of RAM or ridiculously overpriced if theybhave 32gb ram or could have a good price should they remove the 40 series nvidia graphics card from them.... I went to scan computers, overclockers, amazon and I can't find anything properly built and priced in 8k series apus so what's the point of all these relases if there is no supply at demmandable price?
RX 9000 series? Seriously? 8000 isn't even out yet and people already started talking about the next one. Kinda feels like stores putting out the X-Mas stuff in early September! I think the correct term here is "Counting their chickens before they hatched"!
each generation has a bin but each generation is a bin. 8000 series is the high bin of the chips. So if you're on 5000 series when 8000 releases it'd be a good buy for 3 more generations. 11000 assuming that's what theyll name it will be the next one to go after.
"RX 9000 Is The RYZEN of GPUs!" You have been saying that for RX 8000, RX 7000, RX 6000 and RX 5000, yet if anything, sales for AMD GPUs have just gone down...
No matter if youre team red or team blue, lets hope for us all, that AMD comes up with true competition and steals the heart of the costumers, so the prices overall drops.
I've been saying this for some time, the power growth trend is problematic, specially for battery devices. Is it too much too ask? A power efficient GPU/CPU with good price? When you start to power creep, fans needs to get larger, components need to support more heat. It's just bad, however most folks seem to not care about their power bill at all. Sad times
What AMD needs to take over the GPU market is just GPGPU. Just make a GPGPU ecosystem as powerful and integrated with all the languages as CUDA, mantain, distribute and release to everybody. The reason customers let NVIDIA be so bully is the CUDA. Do this and all the non-industrial market and part of the industrial market will be yours.
Really hope AMD is able to pull it off but that mainly just tells us how much of a wall they hit that they need to start over with a new exotic solution that will have it's risks and drawbacks. But hey! Time as always will tell! Thanks for your content 👍
My magic 8-ball prediction says that they'll launch "RDNA5" GPUs under a new naming scheme. How about "Kaizen"? That's similar in spirit to how the CPUs became "Ryzen".
They got complacent. Investors don't see the need to improve even more when they are already the best. They started recycling products and asking exorbitant prices. They stagnated. It's not necessarily deserved, it's just the consequences.
Honestly I'd like to see the downfall of Nvidia much more than that of Intel. At least Intel is SOMEWHAT consumer friendly, but Nvidia just shits on consumers every other day...
@@greenstonegecko I mean if you purposely stagnate, lie about your product when it comes to benchmarks, proceed to say your competitor sells snake oil when you’re the one outright being fake and fraudulent, then it’s truly deserved.
Actually no, RX 5000 was AMD's Zen1 GPU - a serious efficiency shift over Vega 7nm even though it has a lower CU count. RX 9000 is more like Zen5 if the rumour is true.
@9:38 If you know anything about 1st Gen Ryzen it still got it's but whooped by INTEL CPU's or the time. It only won in Multi-Threaded workloads. So basically, two more generations(4-5 years) of AMD losing to NGREEDia. Yeah, no. I'm just going with Team Green. They're still be the better option. Who knows if AMD's GPU division will still be in business in the next 4-5 years. By the way they're going I don't think they will.
7900 GRE review. "CZcamsrs and social media grunts love these more than their own mothers… meanwhile, in the real world, gamers rarely buy AMD twice [May '24 mooreslaw] "
Lol, these AMD news... rDNA3 was also supposed to be Ryzen moment for their GPUs... BTW. assuming 50 series q4 2024 release, at least partial. AMD's rDNA5 q4 2025 or some time (q1?) 2026 release could be kinda DOA if it is not really fast and cheap. Because everyone willing to upgrade will already buy 50 series (asuming no nonsensical pricing) and like especially q1 2026 would be only 6-9 months 'till 60 series release. So it could be that even fast but not cheap rDNA5 could sell ok but win no market for AMD.
I personally don't give a shit about ray-tracing, it's a stupid gimmick aimed at 1% of the market, I just want a decently priced card, that's not a space heater and it's raw performance is just good instead of more fake frame generated cope to make it seem like an advancement. Hate speculation, it's as useful and accurate as a E3 presentation by activision or EA.
So there's efficiency numbers and price points. Snapdragon is more efficient but its also a lot cheaper. My guess it doesn't perform the same as Intel, so these CPU's will probably be meant for lower performance laptops, basically multimedia text writers. Thats just my 2 cents.
AMD's ryzen moment for gpus was the 6950xt. Faster in raster than a 3090ti. Why do you think the 4090 after was so huge in preformance than Everything else? Nvidia got cold feet after the 6950xt so they had to flex their muscles
1 note. Qualcome is not direct compatitor to Intel and AMD , its Apple. Intel and AMD are still going on x86 while Qualcome and Apple will be fighting for the ARM market. Intel is trying to compate with x86 based CPU and it doesnt go well. There is just to much legacy baggage with x86 that dumps the efficiency.
BREAKING NEWS - AMD RDNA 12 (might get a name) and leaks says it might use faster memory. This is a monster, and expectations are high. It might be much faster than RDNA 9 generation. How popular it becomes us down to price. A XT model might be released (it might get another name too). What we don't know yet is the power consumption, so stay tuned.
AMD leaks have a great history of predicting the awesome and delivering the mediocre. As someone sitting on RDNA2, I'll be looking for very strong value for money to even consider RDNA4. And I mean real value for money, not still shit value for money, but less-shit than NVIDEA.
Sure Intel doesn't have ARM cpu for laptop right now. But once the market is huge enough, you can bet that Intel will make ARM cpu. Both Intel and ARM have or had ARM cpus. Heck even Ryzen have ARM cpu as their security chip.
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Everyone: 120 watts seems like a lot.
Intel: 120 watts at idle?
120 watt is there biggest baddest sku with all the cores. they will have a 95 watt version to and even a 65.
Ironically, intel's processors generally consume 5 times less power than ryzen on idle, with th 13900k idling at 10-15W. (Except for the 5800X3D apparently, which seems to idle at surprisingly low wattage)
Dumb comment. Staring at my cpu idling at 10 watts. Meanwhile amd idles at 30
@@auritro3903my 5800x3d idles at 6-7w
@@BGraveswhich ryzen idles at that ?
Amd GPUs keywords : maybe , could be , what if , but ,when , next gen will be , perhaps , likely , possibly
Edit - im not a hater been supporting amd cpus since ryzen 1700 i do hope they catch up at some point with the gpus but every single time there is something wrong.....
so? then so be it. better than no hope at all
@@randymarsh4748 Sure I guess but it's also annoying as they get hyped to the moon every single launch then fall short every single time and disappoint us as consumers hoping for them to do better. I'd rather there be little to no hype until it's close/closer to launch time with actual facts about their upcoming gpus instead of well it's maybe this good etc.
I'll be waiting for 2026 with my 1080 ti. Let's see if there's a worthy upgrade by then. And I mean not one that requires a 1000-watt PSU.
Yeah, and AMD Fanboys still argueing they don't need raytracing "because that is a Gimmick". Meanwhile they are playing on 4k which actually is a gimmick because there is no visual improvement compared to 1440p and losing 50% power. Also NVidia has had Frame Gen for 2 Years now while AMD just catched up with AFMF. NVidia is just soooo far ahead of AMD right now that they can charge anything they want. And they do. It is totally worth it. AMD isn't cheaper it just offers less for less.
It used to be the same with their CPUs... now look
Everytime a new amd gpu gen is about to come out they say "this is the one". Yet they manage to be just as disappointing as nvidia
I was expecting the 7000 series of amd cards to be much better than they are but it was just a small performance uplift over the 6000 series of gpus, Only way to stick to these companies is by buying used cards or hanging onto whatever you have for a few years
Just wait till prices decrease. A 7900XT will become awesome with the tight pricing
@@jasonvors1922 i guess they was just figuring out what to do next after glorious 6000 series. also, unimpressiveness of 7000 made me happy that i've got baited by massive 6000 "end of life" discounts and bought 6950xt over fresh radeon or nvidia (mind that mining's nuclear fallout was still rolling).
that is mostly amd chasing nivida with there prices. they need to stop making a worse whatever nivida there going after for the same price.
@@angeltensey The rx 7900 gre is pretty much the rx 6950xt with a coat of paint, I'm glad you made that awesome decision
Great news and I’m really exited about AMD. My hope are for cheaper cards for us
Yeah, I hope the same for the Intel side of things
Your hope is misguided. AMD, Intel and Nvidia are for-profit companies, and none of them wants to hand out gifts.
@@looks-suspicious What wrong with make profit from cheap gpu ? Second hand gpu market is huge if AMD can make newer and good value gpu people will happily buy brand new one rather than buy old and out of warranty gpu.
I will wait for independent testing before I believe that Dell leak. Hasn't Qualcomm gotten into trouble over underperforming when advertising better numbers before?
yes
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yeah but qualcomm is chinese so what do you expect. false advertising is par for the course for china.
@@chrisbirch2002 It's American company
@@Satyajit-vm8nx makes sense or theyd be banne dlike huawei.
Amd is already efficient
On the last generations they even beat Nvidia on some scenarios 😂 It's really customers who are out of touch to be fair
They want AMD to win in ray tracing too, even though there are only a couple handful of games that fully use it, and they end up using it to play Minecraft anyway 😂
@@dzibanart8521ray tracing is a game changer for immersion. The only reason it's not universal is because the average gamer has crap Hardware
@@BGravesThe average gamer plays games like fortnite and call of duty and nobody is turning on Ray tracing in call of duty. It's a novelty. It's trivial and a gimmick at this stage
@@dzibanart8521 Crazy right ? RT is still (and I'm amazed so to say it myself) USELESS IN 2024. In console game it's just the reflexions and in real RT games 90% of them look the same. Cyberpunk and Dying Light 2 won't make me buy an Nvidia GPU (Especially when DL2 runs perfectly on AMD hardware with RT)
I'm done with PC building. I just bought a RTX 4070 Ti Super this weekend and I said to myself, "What the hell am I doing? I can't afford to keep up with this nonsense." I've got the new card in a Ryzen 9 5900X PC with 12TB of storage, and 128GB of RAM. This is more than I need to get stuff done. I'll be saving my money from now on.
I’ll be going back to console gaming
@@clarkkentll5490the consoles suck though. I've got an Xbox Series X that I haven't touched in 4 months, and a Series S in the closet that I only used for a month before the Series X was offered to me by my friend who was part of the MicroSoft Insider Club and was able to help me get one during the pandemic when nothing was available in the stores.
No ur right. It's not like the iphone where you think you have to buy the new one every year or 2. You invest/splurge on a high end PC and use it until it either wears out or just becomes not enough for your uses. Not everyone is playing maxed out games or video editing or running simulations. A 5900X and a 4070ti super could last you a decade with minor maintenance or upgrades.
It's over 9000!
WHAT?! 9,000?! THAT THING MUST BE BROKEN! THERE'S "NO" WAY IT WAS THAT HIGH!!
If APUs are getting 4070 performance which is to be seen as I have my Doutes, but it will make you need as speedy and tightest timing ram you can get your hands on much more important because as it stands now the GPU core in the APU tends to bottom out before bandwidth will
I doubt any APU will be anywhere near even a Bad 3060.
@@genrabbit9995 Yeah true that. But let's say they do. By the time you pay for this 12 core APU and expensive ram to fully utilize the APU's GPU you would be cheaper and better off with cheaper ram and dedicated GPU as all that's built-in lol feel like nothing good can come of an iGPU that fast running off system ram. But I could be wrong. AT least not this fast atm.
@@genrabbit9995 Same. I'd love to have apus as powerful as a 4070 but unless I see it I'm not believing it.
@@WyattOShea isn't that 780M was rumored to be as fast as 3060 before?
@@forog1Yeah on paper the Asus ROG Ally blows away a Xbox Series S. In reality the Series S blows it out of the water. It’s because of thermals and memory bandwidth limitations.
If Intel is going to release new mobile chips using the "20A" process node *relatively* soon, the process parity gap should get much closer to the Qualcomm Snapdragon chip on TSMC's 4nm node than Alder Lake-P CPUs from Jan 2023 on the 10nm "Intel 7" node. Being ARM vs x86, it's still probably going to be more efficient, but comparing something unreleased with hype to a 1.5 year old chip on an even older process (Alder Lake was from 2021) is a strange comparison to make.
WoW! You uploaded this in 4K! Is this here to stay? 🤔
Bad news for Intel/Nvidia is always good news for consumers. In a competition context of course, nobody wants another i9 13/14 to happen lol.
I still dont why people are fussing about arm processors as sure they have their advantages arm based machines often come with limitations such as bullshit like soldered in RAM or not being able to dual boot, or play games outside solitaire or reversi.
I thought some vendors had already come out a few weeks ago and said they aren’t getting nearly the performance Qualcomm is claiming out of these new chips in their upcoming products. In fact, they are slower than the competition.
i have 7900xt but i want to change on 5090.
why is there any decent game? do u even play 4k or have a good monitor? u been brainwashed.... go on vacations to some paradise instead of wasting money on shit
nvidia driver is for casuals. professionals admire the driver options in adrenaline.
Ok
That's so crazy to believe that people are getting ready to transition over to ARM after half a century of x86. That blows my mind, Intel's architecture being permanently superseded could very well spell the end for Intel forever.
if its equal to a 4060 m (which is 10% less powerfull compared to the desktop varient ) it would mean 1080p medieum/high wont need a gpu anymore and laptops will start to become afordable
LOL you think they are going to drop their prices...that's cute.
Once these companies get use to a certain income,(especially the stockholder), they never go back to lower prices.
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Business ethics isn't taught in college, Communism is. SMH
Snapdragon X runs windows app's like a 15yo celeron, according to hands on insiders.
Seems like bad CPU emulation
its a RISC cpu, what do you expect?
in fact, considering that, even with the nerfed performance it would still be better than i have ever imagined they'd ever get..
on the battery life side, especially because its for video playback. the screens in the laptops are not equivalent. i dare say these play a large part in that additional playback time as well, having newer model panels.
I honestly think this arm thing is over hyped and it isn't as good as they really say it is
@@jasonvors1922 I think the same. Many times (especially Apple's M series-powered laptops) the efficiency increase are coming from other things that the CPU being on ARM. I still think ARM is more efficient, but like 10% more efficient, not 100% more efficient like many claim.
@@Winnetou17 False claims to get investors interested, Watch the movie the wolf of Wall Street sometime it shows how group think of investors that only think of short term investments instead of long term and that is why everything is going down the crapper in the economy worldwide
Outclasses Alder Lake in VIDEO PLAYBACK.
OK, so they found the one metric that practically uses no processor at all and only published that result. Everything else, like actually using the laptop for work, browsing or gaming is anybody's guess.
Kinda sus if you ask me.
As long as battlemage competes with the nvidia 4000 series well
Honestly I'd rather buy battlemage than spend twice as much on a refreshed rnda 4 that is slightly better than rdna 3.
I would buy that if that was the real design of the new gpu's awesome thumbnail
Well considering an elite soc has half the cores and a third of the threads of an intel cpu and no l2 or l3 memory and no 'real' gpu I would certainly hope it was massively more battery efficient.
so ARM is more efficient than the most power hungry brand of x86 CPUs? noted.
My mind is blown and my mouth agape over the fact that an unreleased ARM CPU on TSMC's 4nm is theoretically more efficient than than a chip from January of 2023, fab'd on the "Intel 7" 10nm Enhanced SuperFin node from 2021! 🤯🤯🤯
@@SlocusST well arm processors are more efficient that's the reason that why they're in phones and tablets etc. the question is who sits 29 hours a day watching videos on their notebook without access to a power outlet. i mean if that's all you do an arm processor that's cheap is the best option but what about performance? gaming or workloads? how fast can it render or compile etc.
if you really just browse a bit and watch videos the real competitor are chromebooks. you don't need windows to watch videos or browse the internet in fact i would argue a linux based os can be much less bloated and efficient for these tasks.
the only real reason to have arm for windows in that regard is for office work and the battery life in this setting is kinda redundant if you have a workspace with power outlets available. i guess the arm for windows is aimed at the more adventurous office worker that still wants to productive on his survival adventure trips and has only foldable solar panels for power available😅
The ARM CPUs are commonly designed for operating on a battery. ARM, the company, focuses on building their CPUs for running on batteries. Meanwhile, ARM, the company, does have licenses out for other companies to design their own ARM compatible CPUs, not restricted to being power efficient.
Meanwhile for x86 CPUs, they must maintain the base x86 syntax in their decoder stage, which is a serious problem with their efficiency and performance. x86 was efficient when they were 8-bit and 16-bit CPUs and operations took microseconds and 100's of nanoseconds of time to complete. Backwards compatibility has its drawbacks. The variable width nature of the operations are fine, but they need to be redesigned out of 8-bit sequential decoding.
wonder if should wait for new gpu and cpu later this year
I hope Qualcomm isn't lying. All the OEMs said they cant replicate all those numbers and are falling behind by a long shot. I really hope Qualcomm isn't gonna flop this one.
on that last amd new bit, imma predict their next lineup is going to be using a Cuda equivalent, and rt cores that are able to rival nvidia cores. Probably why its going through a redesign, and also why they're sticking to lower end cause its new... And they dont know how far they can push it (yet) or are at some other kind of complication they're addressing now.
Considering how bad the top end sku power adapters for nvidia cards have been cooking themselves, motherboards are frying cpus and themselves, power supplies are just frying or blowing.... The new stuff requires more juice, and more juice = more heat = more failures. efficiency is out the window and its all about that raw performance nowadays.... all new components come overclocked just below their ceilings as a default, and manufacturing for all these parts is still pretty expensive.
Theres been so many failures between minor, to catastrophic; playing it safe is not a bad move.
Trying to go for efficiency is also not a bad move. And i think they're pushing for that. gamers would love new, good perf. cpus and gpus that draw under 200w each. that would be an absolute game changer. if they converted that into data center cpus and gpus, they'd sell like mad for the power savings alone. even now, threadripper still does more for less than intel. Thats often why they get picked. intel for singular specific machines, amd general purpose.
There is a new standard LPCAMM2 that is supposed to replace SO-DIMM on laptops with soldered memory. I guess that hey are trying to guarantee that the memory os of good quality, because not all gamers invest in top quality / expensive memory (like G.Skill Trident for example). This is the same reasoning why top of the line smartphones don’t have a micro SD card slot anymore…
Damn, these new APUs are going to be really sweet for mini pcs for emulation. I just can't wait.
It would be cool if AMD also made some toolkit that could compete with CUDA. I know right now they have ROCm, but I've never seen it being used in the space of machine learning. If they actually tried to push the new GPUs in that direction, it could be a good competition so Nvidia would think twice about their prices.
I currenrly have a 6900xt. Right now I do not see a reason to upgrade to RDNA 4. But RDNA 5 will probably be when I upgrade. I used to upgrade sometimes twice per gen, then once, then every other gen. But with GPU prices the way they are and the slowing down of game development and graphic development within games, my 6900xt just works.
Meld just had Taco Bell and ripped it out at the intro 😂
i dont get the obsession with making a notebook so thin
i bet the gamechanging chip wont cost as low as stated... i highly doubt it.
For AMD Strix Halo having soldered RAM, that 256-bit DDR5 is saying "Quad Channel" DDR5. This means for a laptop to use this APU with maximum RAM bandwidth, it needs 4 DIMM slots for 256bit. I can see the point of soldering a fixed amount of RAM on the board. Honestly, 32GB will handle most performance demands a laptop may have. Unless you buy a laptop with only 8GB total or a single 16GB stick, most people have no reason to replace the RAM in a laptop, unless it is bad.
We dont yet even have 8000 series released T.T
I'm sure arm is much more efficient when watching video with running it's native code... bth what I really care about is when it's running non-native code because it's going to be quite a while until the entire x86 library is available in risc code
I wonder if some of these new AMD APU's are related to rumored console updates coming out.
PS5 PRO, etc.
Cmon stop excusing companies for soldering ram into motherboards. 120w cpu on a thin notebook can't be a good idea. Either it will be thermal throttled to hell or it won't be thin, and if it's not thin there's no benefit to avoid it's upgradability. My guess is that it will be thin and trottled to hell, barelly reaching 60w so that you cant repair it or upgrade it to the benefit of the manufacturer.
They said that about the vega 64 too
Concerning E Elite chips:
All cool and such but until x86_64 emulation becomes good and fast and/or more developer provide arm64 binaries this sadly remains a thing for edge cases.
I hope that those new arm chips are as good as they say (there are doubts) and this puts fire under integrators and developers to push the architecture.
Dell is like Tom Holland and evga like iron man of computer companies 🤣
Thin notebooks with 64+ GB of soldered RAM would be nice or if LPCAMM manages a really thin enough formfactor then upgradability wouldn't be all that bad
I just bought a second 7900XTX because it's probably still going to be a better value than anything Nvidia sells in the next year (or is reasonably available), and we already know the top RX8000 is slower than 7900XTX so my bedroom PC may as well get a 450w heater to keep my toes warm while gaming.
I don't really think that AMD is in trouble here because they got pretty decent 35-65W options, and with both Zen 2+ as well as Zen 3 still around covering the entry level market, prices are decent as well. I mean there is the Ryzen 5 4500 for around $73, the R5 4600G for about $96 and the R5 5600G for about $135, all of which are very powerful and more than enough even for a FullHD gaming system.
Still a pretty clear trend away from X86 and towards X86 compatible only.
RX 9000 be release late 2025 to 2026. DAMN i got to keep my AMD 5600G until that time.
Other then the fact I already have a 7800xt I kind of dont really mind the 8000 series being a "bug fix" refresh with a little bit better ray tracing and perhaps a little bit of up tuning to be slightly better. That said the only way I buy one is if the highest tier 8000 card has the power of a 7900xt or higher and costs $599 or less. However anyone still on 6000 or lower I would wait for 8000 and just skip 7000; unless you already have a 6900xt or 6950xt then I would just keep that until 9000 series. If the "8800xt" does however have say 5% more power then the 7900xt that still would be an upgrade over the 6900/6950xt that at the right price might be worth it.
CPUs have refresh generations all the time why cant a couple video card generations be refresh / OC generations too? I would rather AMD decide to say this time around we are just going to "fix" the last generation and tune them a little to be optimized so we can focus on the next generation actually being competitive in the market with more then just price then to just keep squeaking out tiny 5% to 10% upgrades generation after generation. We used to refer to this as ticks and tocks with CPUS.
1:40 do not put too much trust in such numbers. The CPU in a laptop is only one of the consumers, there's the screen, RAM, storage, WiFi and so on.
Not sure how they calculate those numbers, but I guess simply based on CPU power consumption. If the OEM uses power hungry components or makes bad presets regarding power saving stages, your battery life is anywhere
"RX 9000 Is The RYZEN of GPUs!"
Ryzen wasn't going up against Nvidia.
The analogy is correct, Gamer Meld just doesn't know or forgot to explain why.
With RDNA3, the cache and memory controllers went into separate dies. RDNA4 was initially supposed to be the first generation with multiple dies for the compute units, but AMD was unable to make that design work in time. That's why they had to scrap the entire high-end lineup for RDNA4. With RDNA5, it should finally happen, hence the "Zen moment" for Radeon.
Of course, this does NOT mean that the RDNA5 design will be awesome right away. But it should give AMD an advantage over Nvidia in the long run, just like it did with Zen over Intel. Unless Nvidia is already on top of this and planning to do the same...
I will definitely pick up Rx 9000s the flagship or second tier depending on the price/performance difference between the 2. Upgrade my CPU to zen5 8 or 12 core, RAM, and AM5. My system would be amd 555.
Amd couldn't record in HDR in the past and still can't rn so what makes me think I should go with a amd gpu again.
your ram goes bad and you gotta desolder and resolder it. Lovely.
RDNA 4 was going to be the MASSIVE upgrade, and then it failed.... no top GPU to be released... why even talk about RDNA 5? I have news - RDNA 7 will be MUCH faster than previous generation!
Yeah RNDA3 flopped. RNDA4 no high end GPU. Know CZcamsrs are saying RNDA5 is meant to compete against the successor of Blackwell lmao.
well with 32 GB or 64GB fo ram , i don't see why you'd need to upgrade the ram on it , both configs could offer atleast 16GB of ram dedicated to graphic part of the APU.
Too many people forget that amd was before making the fastest and best gpus on the market. It's completely possible that they can again hold the title. We won't know though until they release the next cards.
I won't hold my breath but given their success with their ryzen releases, I would assume that they will be releasing some very good hardware.
I wont believe snapdragon laptops are any good until we see it bench marked and reviewed, Its just really hard to have a good hardware/software combo on a brand new product.
awesome, looking forward to it.
Integrated graphics that is faster than mid ramge gpus. Hellllll yeah. Problem is recently I have been trying hard to buy 8k series amd apu laptops and I can't find ANY in the UK market. It supposed to be only a little bit more expensive than the 7k series yet the one I find is always linked up with ridiculously low amount of RAM or ridiculously overpriced if theybhave 32gb ram or could have a good price should they remove the 40 series nvidia graphics card from them....
I went to scan computers, overclockers, amazon and I can't find anything properly built and priced in 8k series apus so what's the point of all these relases if there is no supply at demmandable price?
RX 9000 series? Seriously? 8000 isn't even out yet and people already started talking about the next one. Kinda feels like stores putting out the X-Mas stuff in early September! I think the correct term here is "Counting their chickens before they hatched"!
Thank you for all these knowledges
each generation has a bin but each generation is a bin. 8000 series is the high bin of the chips. So if you're on 5000 series when 8000 releases it'd be a good buy for 3 more generations. 11000 assuming that's what theyll name it will be the next one to go after.
Yes, we are pumped for AMD RDNA 5 gpus.
STOP MAKING THINGS UP !!!!!! FOR FLUCK SAKE ALREADY.
"RX 9000 Is The RYZEN of GPUs!"
You have been saying that for RX 8000, RX 7000, RX 6000 and RX 5000, yet if anything, sales for AMD GPUs have just gone down...
Hooray.
In multiplayer you want performance, you wont be focusing on the quality of the graphics, so that could be spot for Radeons.
No matter if youre team red or team blue, lets hope for us all, that AMD comes up with true competition and steals the heart of the costumers, so the prices overall drops.
I've been saying this for some time, the power growth trend is problematic, specially for battery devices.
Is it too much too ask? A power efficient GPU/CPU with good price?
When you start to power creep, fans needs to get larger, components need to support more heat. It's just bad, however most folks seem to not care about their power bill at all. Sad times
What AMD needs to take over the GPU market is just GPGPU. Just make a GPGPU ecosystem as powerful and integrated with all the languages as CUDA, mantain, distribute and release to everybody. The reason customers let NVIDIA be so bully is the CUDA. Do this and all the non-industrial market and part of the industrial market will be yours.
Really hope AMD is able to pull it off but that mainly just tells us how much of a wall they hit that they need to start over with a new exotic solution that will have it's risks and drawbacks. But hey! Time as always will tell! Thanks for your content 👍
My magic 8-ball prediction says that they'll launch "RDNA5" GPUs under a new naming scheme. How about "Kaizen"? That's similar in spirit to how the CPUs became "Ryzen".
The downfall of intel is soooo deserved in my opinion
They got complacent. Investors don't see the need to improve even more when they are already the best. They started recycling products and asking exorbitant prices. They stagnated.
It's not necessarily deserved, it's just the consequences.
Honestly I'd like to see the downfall of Nvidia much more than that of Intel.
At least Intel is SOMEWHAT consumer friendly, but Nvidia just shits on consumers every other day...
shintel bad
@@greenstonegecko I mean if you purposely stagnate, lie about your product when it comes to benchmarks, proceed to say your competitor sells snake oil when you’re the one outright being fake and fraudulent, then it’s truly deserved.
It is, but you know what downfalls in these markets lead to? Ah, yeah, correct, monopolies!!!
News flash rx7000 was supposed to be amds ryzen gpu, along with rx6000 and 5000. Some headlines never change.
Actually no, RX 5000 was AMD's Zen1 GPU - a serious efficiency shift over Vega 7nm even though it has a lower CU count.
RX 9000 is more like Zen5 if the rumour is true.
But we haven't seen the rx8000 yet here talking about rx9000.....
@9:38 If you know anything about 1st Gen Ryzen it still got it's but whooped by INTEL CPU's or the time. It only won in Multi-Threaded workloads. So basically, two more generations(4-5 years) of AMD losing to NGREEDia. Yeah, no. I'm just going with Team Green. They're still be the better option. Who knows if AMD's GPU division will still be in business in the next 4-5 years. By the way they're going I don't think they will.
Oh boy, can’t wait for the new intel graphics card to come out
Ryzen of GPU`s?
RX 9600 wipes the floor with RTX 6090? 😂😂😂😂
I wish
Rx 6000 series was AMD's Ryzen moment, Rx 7000 series was more like Zen+ and it seems like Rx 8000 series is more like Zen2/Zen++...
RDNA was meant to be the Ryzen of GPUs.
LMAO just wait for RDNA7!
AMD needs to sue userbenchmark for slander. all of the reviews of any AMD product is crazy.
7900 GRE review. "CZcamsrs and social media grunts love these more than their own mothers… meanwhile, in the real world, gamers rarely buy AMD twice [May '24 mooreslaw] "
It's only getting worse lately.
I kinda like their GPU ranking and interface tho.
CPU bench on the other side is as bullshit as their commentary.
Lol, these AMD news... rDNA3 was also supposed to be Ryzen moment for their GPUs... BTW. assuming 50 series q4 2024 release, at least partial. AMD's rDNA5 q4 2025 or some time (q1?) 2026 release could be kinda DOA if it is not really fast and cheap. Because everyone willing to upgrade will already buy 50 series (asuming no nonsensical pricing) and like especially q1 2026 would be only 6-9 months 'till 60 series release. So it could be that even fast but not cheap rDNA5 could sell ok but win no market for AMD.
There will always be over hype for amd, The fan base just buys whatever they want to sell everywhere even if it is a total pile of fudge
Ugh, DDR5 Qualcomm? Seriously? The only cool thing about Apple ARM silicon is the "hybrid" memory.
Add some FRORE😎 JET Cooling and meep meep
I think i will hold on to my 3090 thanks to fsr 3 lol
so they compare 4nm chip with 10nm chip in battery life? ok
I personally don't give a shit about ray-tracing, it's a stupid gimmick aimed at 1% of the market, I just want a decently priced card, that's not a space heater and it's raw performance is just good instead of more fake frame generated cope to make it seem like an advancement.
Hate speculation, it's as useful and accurate as a E3 presentation by activision or EA.
So there's efficiency numbers and price points. Snapdragon is more efficient but its also a lot cheaper. My guess it doesn't perform the same as Intel, so these CPU's will probably be meant for lower performance laptops, basically multimedia text writers. Thats just my 2 cents.
AMD's ryzen moment for gpus was the 6950xt. Faster in raster than a 3090ti. Why do you think the 4090 after was so huge in preformance than Everything else? Nvidia got cold feet after the 6950xt so they had to flex their muscles
There will be no high end RX 8000 series. Rtx 5090 will still gonna be the fastest GPU on planet earth stop the cap
Nice to see more competition! However, AMD does already have a lot of ARM R&D & products they could unfurl should the market show a desire for it.😜
intel should send me one to test.
I really want AMD to slap nVidia. I use their products for 18 years. :)
1 note. Qualcome is not direct compatitor to Intel and AMD , its Apple. Intel and AMD are still going on x86 while Qualcome and Apple will be fighting for the ARM market. Intel is trying to compate with x86 based CPU and it doesnt go well. There is just to much legacy baggage with x86 that dumps the efficiency.
Not holding my breath for RDNA 5.
BREAKING NEWS - AMD RDNA 12 (might get a name) and leaks says it might use faster memory.
This is a monster, and expectations are high. It might be much faster than RDNA 9 generation.
How popular it becomes us down to price.
A XT model might be released (it might get another name too).
What we don't know yet is the power consumption, so stay tuned.
Cheaper? Doubt. The Snapdragon I mean.
AMD leaks have a great history of predicting the awesome and delivering the mediocre. As someone sitting on RDNA2, I'll be looking for very strong value for money to even consider RDNA4. And I mean real value for money, not still shit value for money, but less-shit than NVIDEA.
Sure Intel doesn't have ARM cpu for laptop right now. But once the market is huge enough, you can bet that Intel will make ARM cpu. Both Intel and ARM have or had ARM cpus. Heck even Ryzen have ARM cpu as their security chip.
But what kind of video? 4K?