War Thunder's Biggest Problem
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2023
- The recent economy changes in War Thunder were the last straw for many players, with many calling for a boycott and leaving negative reviews on Steam. Gaijin has made several responses, but none have appeased the playerbase. I'm well known for making "Spookston rants" about this kind of stuff in the past, so I figured I would weigh in.
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War Thunder's Biggest Problem - Hry
Yea I made a PyroLIVE thumbnail, sorry.
The only video I watched related to this topic was Odd's EBR video, so sorry if I retread some talking points that have already been brought up.
There were some more things I wanted to talk about but I started to feel really under the weather when I went to record, so I omitted some of my thoughts. I've been enjoying making gameplay videos without having to worry about this kind of stuff, and I hope I don't have to make any more "problem" videos in the future, but I'm not optimistic.
You are DONE, fired.
Day 24 of asking for the SU100Y, I know you’ve seen the comments spooky wooky give the people what they want (for you to truly suffer)
You watch pyrocynical?
please play concept 3
Pyrocynical kid
Gaijin: "we are not the greedy one"
My brother you control the economy
We aren’t the greedy ones we just control literally everything because they created the game. Understandable but hopefully they won’t have any players for much longer. Hopefully this boycott makes them come to some realizations
@@Thatonedude90 alot of war thunder players are retarded and even defend gayjin when you talk shit about them so it wont happen sadly
"You are batshit insane"
They are not greedy
They are BATSHIT INSANE
@@nickcher7071 *armstrong goes all !*
I’m glad to see more war thunder content creators are talking about this issue
The more exposure the better imo. Especially with the CCs as they give a lot of exposure for their game so their opinions matter and get around. They are basically gaijins free advertising and gaijin would probably want to maintain that
seems like the same thing that happened with WOT recently. they where so greedy even the spineless bootlickers where pissed off
These content creators are part of the reason the game is terrible. Just stop playing the game and feeding the devs. You can't have your cake and eat it.
@@erundorgames8941 If you don't play for a few months, you get a few hondred thousand SL and some free premium time.
They will be exposed if they don't so they have to
Gaijin: "It's my game"
The community: "It's my money"
Gaijin: "Not fair."
the community: too bad, its our money
Gaijin: but my game tho...
@@FanEAWOur?
СОЮЗ НЕРУШІМИ РЕСРУБЛІК СВОБОДНИКГ
@@ReySchultz121 wtf
gaijin:"if you boycott us again we will shut the game down"
when i first read that gaijin said that i was like "wow so players give feedback and instead of fixing it you threaten to shut down the game .....lol" really blew me away like imagine a game dev doing this back in the day when were on ps3/old xboxs.
It's great to hear a sponsored partner not talk shit on behalf of the dev team. Well done for speaking out!
Well I think most content creators are complaining
I just gave 👎 steam review, i hope people will believe me after they see i have 4300 hours 😂
@@davidfans5852nerd
Jk I have 3500 so I’m not far behind you 😂
@@warthoggoulags1679 he meant CC speaking on behalf of the devs.
Imagine pulling all of the rebar out of your building's foundations to sell it for a quick buck, then being surprised when it comes crashing down. Gaijin's decision makers are simply out of touch or indifferent to the community. It won't end well.
how to also perfectly describe tofu dreg construction
i can honestly see war thunder being a dead game within a few years, by dead i mean developement wise, hell it already kinda is, since the gameplay is the same it was 3 or 4 years ago, just newer shit to use
The thing is, there's a lifecycle for any commerical operations, most company eventually became less competitive throughout its lifecycle and got phased out, and its normal to the investors, in that case they would just scrap the company, liqudate it and leave with the remaining money, same goes for games, if Gaijin's investor believes that the commercial operation that is War Thunder is about to end, they will try to squeeze out everything before scrapping the game. The only misjudgement? There's no direct competitor to War Thunder, WoT can hardly pose any threat because of the simulation nature of WT, its not even halfway of its commerical lifespan becasue of this, even with diminishing returns it can still provide a good amount of profit and there's no clear successor for this game, especially not Enlisted, so at the end of the day its still in Gaijin's interest to keep the playerbase reasonably satisfied. When Ford had an almost monopolistic control of the market they got complacent and they just keep producing the Model-T untill its too late, with more and more car manufacturers emerge during the 20s everyone became uninterested in buying Ford cars, and it took some serious reform and a talented management to save the company, Gaijin is on its route to become another Ford.
@@fsdds1488 problem for Gajin is that enlisted has competition and they are not used to that.
@@halo129830 its Gaijin they dont know how to make games work
As someone with almost 2 thousand hours in this amazingly awful game, I just feel sad about this situation. This game could be so much more.
move to better games , i done in 2018 and not regret it , first week is tough as you got used to playing it every day, after 2 weeks where i found other time sink game i never looked back
I'd say I'm in a similar boat but also not; my stats are above the average player, and I've played very casually on and off for ~8 years. But my highest line is 5.7, and I don't see myself ever going beyond that. Income, RP, heck even crew skills, all these things seem completely unobtainable, even for a decent player.
The entire top tier scene is something I only witness through content creators; it might as well be a different game as far as I'm concerned.
@@VarenvelDarakus Which game do you play?
@@nuclearjasper9523 It's alright trust me the top tier scene is fucking dogshit anyways. Think CS:GO but one team is invincible
rel, im at 1.5k or something and I spent 300eur on this game already, and even as a "mini whale" the grind is kinda true.
Imagine having the mentality of "im scared to give you what you want, because you will leave".. who hurt you Gaijin?
I mean... they are russian
La Revacholiere, probably.
@@feluto7172 The russian grindset (submissive and breedable)
I love the excuse of "its overwhelming to new players" when in reality overwhelming new players with content is usually what gets them hyped up and excited, as in all that content they likely choose one aspect or playstyle they want to explore in your game.
And I think its also bs because In every tier and br you have to relearn the game. In my experience knowing the stats of a couple of hundred planes each IS overwhelming. So its not like you have to learn the basics and then you are good to go to the top tier. Because everything is so different. It could help if you could easily play all the planes so that you would know what they are strong at, because for a noob like me the only way to experience this is when I get shot down and its not fun to fly for 10 mins to get to the middle and then getting one shotted in br 2.3...
Honestly I had the most fun with the biplanes where everone sucked at the planes were similarly bad.
@@notrather5514
you're basically falling for their lies by saying that. you tell yourself that the game is so radically different at higher tiers that it justifies the grind for people to "learn the game by grinding"
@@unowno123 No. I say if there were less grind then I could try out more planes therefore I could learn about the game way faster and easier. Because playing with the same plane for 40 hours just to get another one you wont really learn that much. And there are PLENTY of them.
Edit: And also this also means that the grind in lower tiers means nothing because higher tiers are too different so the skill you get go to waste.
@@notrather5514
thats a very good point
I wouldn't say that's right, overwhelming is overwhelming. I left many games because of that before and while some are probably good games, I just can't be bothered to learn all that from the start!
I've sunk nearly 4000 hours and more money than I care to admit into this game, and this whole gaslighting and blaming the playerbase situation makes me regret doing so. If there was one time for Gaijin to listen to the community, it's now. Instead they spit in our faces and tell us that we're the problem. This is unbelievable
I mean it’s a Russian company that uses a very predatory revenue model. I stopped playing before I could get a P-51 years ago because they clearly don’t care about us. If you want to spend big money on a military sim, get a basic HOTAS and track IR and play DCS: World. It’s a lot more fun and the community is super wholesome.
You might say that’s too much money, but with WT that money holds no guarantee of fun, I would argue. With DCS, you’re pretty much guaranteed a good time.
i have 6000 hours and let me tell you i absolutely get you.
@@bob38028 _>"with WT that money holds no guarantee of fun"_
This is 100% correct. No matter how much money you spend on this game you're still bound to suffer, albeit less than a non-premium player.
_Money_ does not translate well into _fun_ in this game.
@@bob38028 The company being Russian has no real meaning behind that other than you being racist to Russians lol. There have been many companies who have done worse than Gaijin and they were mostly Korean, American and Swedish, so really it can be any company and not just their race lmao.
@@mywafflebroke6874 Russian is a nationality not a race. *facepalm*
Gaijin try not to piss off their community challenge, impossible
Gaijin trying to make a shit update/server update (very impossible)
Gaijin trying to not ruin their game for profit challenge(impossible)
For $1979,99 those vultures can unlock my good review DLC.
@@Marder_IFV no that's very possible they make shit updates all the time (fix your wording)
Gajin 🤝 Activision
Pissing their communities
Recently started playing again.
The worst things for me are:
-Planes in Ground Battles.
-Extremely slow, unfun grind.
-Russian Tanks.
-High Repair Costs. (Literally being punished for playing)
-Pay to win mechanics (like Leave Camos)
Probably going to stop playing soon.
as someone who got to try this after 2 year break hoping game got better (it dint).
Saw same maps as the day i started the playing this (2015), more p2w premiums, cas still being extremely OP and unbalanced (especialy in ground battles) seeing 7~10 planes in ground mode isnt rare. Russian bias completly out of hand they just rolfstomp anyone in sight within 3minutes in higher tiers.
Air battles are just premium vs premium...awful 0/10
overall game is 2/10 for f2p player, maybe 5/10 for premium players and 10/10 for whales.
The BR changes that just dropped made me leave for now. I just came back a week ago and they hit me with this BS nerfs to my entire lineup making my ancient relics face future tanks.
The grind and leaves camo are the most frustrating part to me.
And this fucking bush cammo
War Thunder is worst game ever created
As a former Wargaming player and Supertester I experienced a similar situation with the infamous USS Puerto Rico scam and later even worse situations up to the mass exodus of Community Contributors. Gaijin is following the same path but in a more intense rate, a very, very worrying pace! This is a like hostage negotiation and both sides are failing miserably...
Wargayming is dogwater
Did you all win in that situation?
@@arebelscum9495 No. The gamers always lose.
@@saavedra909 no they failed and wargaming is a total mess
As someone who grinded for Puerto Rico back when I used to play. It was bad
Honestly, it's kind of impressive how Gaijin can take a game with such amazing bones (War Thunder is still a good game at its heart, nothing will ever tell me otherwise) and just pile-drive it into the ground with terrible management. It's the golden goose all over again.
capitalism
@@WaterZer0 It's stupidity - a smart capitalist would recognize that killing your source of income is bad for business.
LETS SALT THE SNAIL!
@@WaterZer0 +1
A ton of people seem to hate the game because of the grind, but the core gameplay is so fun to me it doesn’t matter. Keep in mind that I am at tier 3 air so not exactly the most experienced player there is, but still
My favorite part about all of this is how Gaijin said:
"Guys, review-bombing us is not the answer or way to get our attention."
But then immediately proves themselves wrong, reversing changes just like in the past. Gaijin has proven to us that the only language Free-to-Play companies understand is money, threatening them with bad PR and potential revenue costs is the only way the community can get its point across or be heard at all. I say keep the bad reviews coming until we get a good game.
bombing will continue until economy improve
I left a negative review after that out of spite. Fuck em
Only reason they say that is because they cant control the narrative & situation when review bombed unlike other avenues
If any political movement ever has proved anything is that when the people in power tell you to stop protesting in a certain way, it means that it's effective and *we shouldn't stop*
Yeah I have played WT for 10 years now and they literally only respond when the community riots like this. And then they do this 'oh golly gee, you guys are really upset, hopefully you can move past that' type of response.
Epic video man, something really needs to be done, i'm glad to see such a massive response from the community though, if only Gajin cared
Damnit Spook, I started to play ODST just now and heard the outro song you use for the videos. It was definitly colliding in my head.
"Oh, it's a sad moment, lemme think about funny wolf dude who kill tank"
Anyway, good video as always
Their threat to shut down the game couldn't have backfired any more horrifically
coming from a game where petty actions such as revenge bombing and airfield camping are often frequent, this has to be the most prime example of being the most pathetic thing one can see, and it's all coming from the game devs themselves...
I spent lots of money, but yeah im happy if they shut down the game because its like a drug for me
Gaijin be like: What money loss? We still have Enlisted
grug hope half the highbrass gets drafted to ukraine
Absolute bozos
Gaijin: "Stop complaining or we are gonna shut down the game"
Playerbase: "Okay. Do it."
Gaijin: "...Uh- You know you won't be able to-"
Playerbase: "DID I STUTTER?!"
This is breath of fresh air from all the gameplay videos.
Don’t get me wrong I like both but I would like to see more videos like how bad was x vehicle.
yeah, I could do with more rant videos myself
Underrated comment tbh, like how certain vehicles/introductions have just overall effected everything, one that instantly springs to mind is the R3 lol
@@goliver9991 rants are my version of wine or a nice cigar
They calm me down greatly
"How bad was Centurion" or one of French post-war designs like AMX-13 would be cool.
So, I have been going around other Content Creators & I enjoy hearing so far the opinions of the people that desire the game to be better & Playable. Here are my thoughts.
Gaijin needs to be reminded that their game is free to play, Because a Free to play game should have the incentive to be free to change the game for players that is going to attract players, Instead of having them constantly feeling the grind of going through the tiers & having so many vehicles in certain factions. (The U.S.) For example. Puts a complete Financial Block on what is causing this major Boycotting. There is a potential Risk that players are going to take cause if you choose not to play their game anymore, The potential of them shutting down the game is also possible.
Undoubtedly, I find it immature that Gaijin's Developers are so neglectful they are blaming players as it's our fault that we don't have enough money to support their game because they make the game completely not worth playing anymore. Hell, I also have to point out that many players in the world aren't playing the game in general as is... So, They've been boycotting this game for more than 8 - 9 Years so far... As a player of War Thunder & I enjoy the game in general. Review Bombing the game isn't effective, all it's doing is causing more issues, and they review. But they don't take it directly to the source. The reviewers are only just people using words to discourage anyone else from playing the game, Which with no players, Means no economy, No money inflow ends up Shutting down the game, Then everyone else has to be penalized permanently for some immature agenda.
But don't think for a second I am not thinking about the Free to play Model & The Premium status... I believe that Premium should be worth it, Because it is only a temporal thing that they allow players to 'Boost' their status and most players. (Especially Free to play players.) Are not likely going to invest into a game that is made free. Especially Gaijin's neglect towards the free to play model of the game. "Sure it's free." But do you really think that an individual will pay $50.99 a Month to play a video game that benefits nothing?
- Some Highlights for Summary.
- Gaijin needs to stop this Favoritism towards their patrons & Making it where you have to buy premium, But have no way for people to potentially earn their progression by unlocking tanks.
- Gaijin also needs to realize the more vehicles you release, will require more Silver, Gold & Experience totally. (Progression makes a video game enjoyable.)
- Gaijin should offer better premium deals & Permanent status for EXP Boosts, Increased Lions (Triple or Quadruple the lions earned for each destroy.)
- Gaijin also should work on the Matchmaking... Players should be able to participate till the end of the round or "WIN OR LOSS." (I'll elaborate below)
A player should be able to remain in the match regardless if it's Arcade or Realistic mode... If they are destroyed or "Killed" In the sense should be allowed to respawn regardless of their tank. Therefor it would give the player the ability to make progress on unlocking the tank's Researching, It will also give the player the ability to support their team properly. So on... Etc.
- Gaijin also are required to listen to their fan base, Going in one direction and totally doing a 180 is completely immature & Unfaithful. Distrusting and shows how much they actually care...
All I can hope for is they change the game on the player's request. Finally, actually listening & Changing the game to be enjoyable, Fun and progressive... I couldn't care less about it being competitive, Because if you want players to be able to play your game... "Skill or not." I have plenty of written down facts of War Thunder's progression, and clearly I have been playing for years and have not ever made it passed 6.0 & Had to create a new profile, Because of poor Economy.
I hope you get plenty of support from this video. Mad respect and good luck!
Remember when people asked for free parts and FPE and Gaijin acted like we just asked for their kidneys and part of their liver?
And responded with it gives players a sense of pride and accomplishment
"free parts and FPE? Why not ask for free Abrams?"
Lmao, such a tone deaf response
Gaijin:
No, we don't want that! Players not needing to grind for the most basic vechicle functions? We want them to suffer without these for as long as possible, to make them pay for instant acces! Even if it will just piss players off, we want it to stay that way for a while! 10 years at least!!
@@cybernetic_crocodile8462 four words: top. tier. stock. ammo.
@@MinqApoc
What do you mean Heat-FS where everything is virtually immortal to it is shit stock ammo?
You need to pay 5K SL per shot of APDSFS friend, or buy this premium that does get it as stock
As a guy who browse WT sub reddits regularly,I’m both proud and surprised to see this normally considered toxic community can be this unified.
Gaijin simply can not slip through this time like they always does.
Edit:I was wrong 💀
me too
The amount of stupid people who regurgitate plebbit talking points is amazing. Ask any of the loud people what was the economic change about and they’ll say anything but give you specifics. Many platitudes, a lot of empty words but nothing specific. Worse you’ll get someone playing 1 jet saying how his (f3h is the only example I’ve seen used) got expensive. Yes but no one talks about how the su-17 and su22 got boosted, how the su-25 in rb almost doubled the SL gain, it’s alright cuz the SB (so like 0.0003% of the player base) went more expensive so now revolt
i saw this happen at least 3 times since 2016 when i started. I was vocal about their shit and ignorance and scummy practice all the time. But community as a whole will forget in 1 or 2 months. We will get f15 ir su27 and they will buy into new f14 or or whatever other new premiums like they always do. Gayjob has not fixed basic systems like volumetrics in 5+ years, they have not fixed server issues for another few. They just keep piling up problems ignoring old ones and people get irritated from time to time but i can guarantee, 2months later you all will be talking about some new premium and what to buy on summer sale instead of this. And gayjob will continue to be greedy scum they were for the past half a decade at least
@@arandomfawn5289 first of all its the tanks and naval that was most affected not air. second of all, it doesnt matter if this update was the worst one or not. for years now gaijin has been repeatedly nerfing SL and RP gains. The game a few years ago was much more customer friendly. Nowadays I am always short on SL even with a premium account. It was the straw that broke the camels back thats all.
@@killme4569 exactly
Great videos, you hit everything on the head. I did want to thank you though because without realizing it you stated why you're my favorite war thunder CZcamsr. I started off watching fly but he's been a community partners so long she's kind of out of touch but you grind out vehicles and you have good frame of reference. I appreciate that integrity and commitment
Update: The "All reviews" thing is now mixed instead of mostly positive and the recent reviews are "overwhelmingly negative" now
Good keep going until they listen
Victory
@@northerneastern not yet…
We're soon to the single digit territory in the recent evaluations!
I wish I could do my part, but mine is negative since 2017
@@youwotmate7705 we're inching closer
“Review bombing damage the game and new players won’t try it.”
Great, save them from a traumatic experience.
I honestly hope this game fails at this point just to give the finger to gaijin. It’s worth the lost time and money given to this skinnerbox.
I don't even play the game anymore (have over 3K hours) and I went back specifically to warn people not to get sucked in
@@snaketanker I love the actual game so much I want it to die so I don't have any excuse to put up with the abuse gaijin brainwashed me into been stuck into playing
@@iracarew5172 I’m on the same page as you. Been playing this game since 2013, and have similar hours played. It sucks that things are in the state they are because of gaijin’s greed.
Appreciate the video, especially the C&C generals background music
0:38
Based.
Trying to build an 8.0/8.3 Sweden line up. The Pvrbv 551 has two great ATGM'S while the T55M struggles in a BR uptier. I get kills with both. But uptiers at near top tier is terrible.
You know that something is wrong when spookston makes another "problem" video.
I feel bad for the people that worked hard and care for the game only to see it get declining because of some greedy higher ups
Yeah the "developers" or "programmers" are the people who do all the hard work, and cop the fallout, but it's management that makes the decisions.
I'm shocked people ever thought this game was good. It's busnies model was always toxic and the greed within this company is insane. Gaijin always sucked.
Capitalism. Get used to it.
@@GeistInTheMachine It is also capitalism to avoid buying bad products.
*cough cough* greedy jews
Tim’s variety is a good WT creator who has a LOT of good info on just how screwed everything is and how to fix it
I very rarely hit a like button or comment but I had to do both on this. This was such a well done and smart analyzation of the situation. I just got back into War Thunder from a hiatus and wanted to see what the economy change controversy was all about. I see nothing has changed with Gaijin since I last played several years ago lol. Thanks for this!
Amazing game with lots of potential still but has greedy developers doing anything for a profit. It's great that the playerbase is fighting back now and that more content creators are talking about this. Hopefully Gaijin makes some proper changes
Yeah, they’re turning into Disney at this point.
I wouldnt blame the devs, i think its more in the executives fault more because they make the orders. But yea i agree with you.
Kinda remembers me of WoT... Another russian dev
You and all the other content creators need to keep talking about this and put the pressure on. You are free advertisers and many players play the game/come back to it because of y’all. You have very loud voice for this community and can make things happen
“Let’s keep the pressure on, victory is close!”
i agree (even tho i bet gaijin is so entitled that they'd rather shut down the CC program and attempt to mute the former members than admit they're wrong)
Gaijin couldn´t give less shit. You guys are aware that they delete Forum posts and CZcams videos of content creators when something goes against their liking? They even have a Content Creator discord where people actively get silenced or threatened to be expelled from the cc program.
I hear that C&C Generals theme in the background, nice touch man
i found this video after seeing the bad reviews wich is something that you talked about and is the reason i havent played the game. thank you for the great vid and you have earned my sub
its overwhelmingly negetive now LMAO. lets hope this carries on and not just blow over.
Just put my bad review up after (almost) 4500 hours.
@@lunasakara7306 yeah put mine up, and honestly I had the answer for a long time.
"Would I recommend this game to anyone?"
No. Because I pretty much already spent 10 years playing this game, experienced its highs and lows, and note how much this game effects me. And even heard how this games deliberate frustration mechanics had actually sent some people to the Emergency Room.
I don't recommend War Thunder out of malice. I don't recommend it because I don't want people suffering. And I sit in a somewhat better position economically with over 15 million SL. Used to have over 18 but spent over 4 mill when buying a bunch of vehicles when discounted. And a good chunk of them were high tier vehicles around the 9.0 br range that I'll never play anyway because how much a mess high tiers.
Especially with how Russia dominates that it makes playing any other tree feel pointless.
@@strategicperson95 haha amen, i actually have friends asking me if they should start playing war thunder since they see me play it a lot.
and as a crack addict i know war thunder is only for those already adicted.
Besides how many times have we not played tier 1 with friends just for them to get bored of the grind and quit.
@@lunasakara7306 same for my 3.5k hours
They basicly insulted us on how we were too dumb to understand their mental gymnastics on how this was all good for us. And threatening to shut off the game if we keep doing it was the last straw. Keep review bombing their steam page.
I stopped playing about 5 months ago. It was the ridiculous grind and pure greed for me. Once I got to the cold war era it felt like I was losing SL even if I finished in the top 5 of my team on tanks. Even with premium the rewards were lacking. I was in the WW2-Cold War era for 5-7 months it felt like. It didn't help that I was constantly being shown premium vehicles that cost the price of an entire game to make the grind less painful. It isn't about learning the mechanics of the game and being good at it it's about how much money you'll cough up. That's why people leave, games damn near as bad as diablo immortal
Great point about bad reviews. I like bad reviews because they're either just somebody complaining about a feature they don't like, which tends to make the feature more appealing, or they're highlighting some kind of legitimate concern or problem. Like you said, bad reviews tend to happen when something changes, and it's nice to have the heads-up..
I love that both Gaijin and Wargaming are doing EXACTLY the same things to their games, EXACTLY at the same time, and their answer to the community is EXACTLY the same thing (AKA stfu).
Gaijin and Wargaming hand in hand on their way to kill their own games.
WG completely shelved something like half the benefits from WoT+, to the extent it doesn't really provide a benefit. I don't know why they released it instead of changing the service. Uptake has been somewhat low.
Funnily enough the WoWs economy changes caused a massive inflation which wasn't all that bad for many people 😂 (though of course the game has many severe issues, but the economy is fine)
WoT died for me years ago with tier 8 premium spam. War Thunder doing the same with ranks 5, 6 and 7 while literally making progress past rank 4 feel like using 60 grit sand paper as toilet paper, same as WoT with tiers 7 and above.
when world of warships came out making money was so nice and easy it actually felt rewarding pushing you to play better
in wows im at like 15 million silver cus it earned so nicely at the start but a few years later they did an economy change going from 200k+ wins down to 60k+ wins making it totally not worth it
i regret spending so much money on both games but no going back now
Both of them are Russian companies ore belarussian companies. Gotta funnel money to the military for their war in Ukraine somehow.
The worst thing we found out during this is the localization team gets insanely bad treatments. The Chinese localization team started in 2012 and only got recognized as "official" (meaning start to get paid) in 2019. They are basically treated like volunteers for translating news, blogs, and in-game content. And the "reward" for their hard work is a mere 500GE for 100 lines of content.
wtf delusional gaijin
Who would've thought a shady eastern european company who's entire existence revolves around milking money out of their userbase could ever treat employees anything less that fairly!?!?
Slavery.
It's okay though since Chinese don't legally count as people.
Wait how can I know more about this?
Man, ur the first one to tackle the subject right. Thanks for this. I take my hat off for you sir!
In these sorts of games I often find myself grinding 10 different research paths because the incredibly slow gain of things at high levels is just too slow and I keep starting new tech trees after getting bored.
The cheaters, botters, crappy economy, terrible grind, and deaf devs have come to a head. Some say it wont change but I have not seen such backlash before, hopefully this is a turning point.
Ha! Good joke!
nope to bad go grind for a cold war tank thats super bad then get long darted by a russian mbt in bush because the snail things its good
I don't believe that anymore after 4 years of playing.
Won't give a dime to Gaijin anymore and just walk, despite being a really good player.😢
@@unknownunknown4195 Ah, a "Roishan Bias" player. No hope for you
Forgot br compression. Tried to play at 5.3 todayto unlock a tier 2 vehicle, every game was 6.3 and vsing king tigers.
I agree with most sentiments in this video but man your Centurion comment hit me in the gut.
I've been waiting for the Centurion mk 2 since British tanks were announced and with the MASSIVE BR jump from the 6.0 (really should be 5.7 even before all the BR changes BS) to 7.3 for the Centurion 3 this tank seemed perfect to fill the gap. Gotta love how Gaijin keeps shafting standard tech trees for profit.
The grind imo should be about 2 weeks for 1 medium vehicle. Like, a day or so to unlock new vehicle early, but late br vehicles about a month of casual play.
6:19 i reported an historical issue with the buccaneer s1, that the fix would literally be moving 2 numbers around in the registration, they “acknowledged” it and nothing has happened (XN-695 is what is in game, but irl it is XN-965, btw 695 is actually a sea vixen), as an edit i will say this was 1 year ago (the initial report)....
Gaijin doesn't give a crap about 3D model changes, I reported the wrong camo on Premium Fokker D.XXI when it first shoved up in dev-server. Literally only thing they had to do was to palette swap Finnish green to Dutch brown as it was one of the Dutch-built planes before the production started in Finland.
You're definitely not acting too harsh. This is a very well put together video.
If anything he wasn’t harsh enough
he's accurate
Glad to see Spookston video got more views, this "issue" of Warthunder/Gaijin definitely needs more attention.
I'm a 6k Hours player "Old Guard" Tittle You are right the SL nerf has been on since the introduction of the Tanks on the game, but there are so many things wrong with the game I'm amazed you guys are focusing only on the Economy part but hey it is a start :D nice video :D
It makes me happy to see so much of the community stand up and let Gaijin know that what they are doing is ridiculous. I hope that the game can be salvaged and returned to a point where people buy premium to support the game, not because it’s become a necessity.
They're so pathetic, every single statement they make is either condescending or passive aggressive. Encouraging people to use the forums instead where we know the feedback will be entirely ignored, even on their feedback tracker valid complaints are repeatedly shut down by condescending mods - they don't even try to discuss things.
Like the part about review bombing, "if the game is shut down, no-one wins" - like they're threatening to stop altogether just because the community is voicing their opinion and doing so in a way they know will get their attention as otherwise history will only repeat itself, any and all feedback goes entirely unnoticed.
I yearn for the day we got a decent competitor and Gaijin either shuts down or is forced to make some sensible decisions not driven by greed.
@@Dealman15 well, world of tanks is still a thing.... and the world of warships and world of warplanes
@@Viirrvill Okay? World of Warplanes was dead on arrival, terrible game. World of Tanks I couldn't care less about, World of Warships is decent.
Neither of those games are my cup of tea, far too arcadey
@@Dealman15 maybe what he meant is WoT did the same shit like gaijin did, crazy pay2win pay2progress thing milking their player base worse than gaijin. But they still exist just like that. There is always some dumbass squeezing their wallet for them
@@Dealman15 There's that one game, "gunner, heat, pc" or something, can't really remember it right, which is basically just a modern tanks simulator and it seems pretty good
Good stuff man, totally agreed. I think repair cost cut could improve the gameplay greatly. That way average players could actually play the vehicles they own
I just hope this doesnt blow over.
Everyone needs to keep up the pressure, constantly, for gaijin to take this as more than 'just a phase', like they did with the 'free abrams' thing.
Genuinely express your thoughts about WT's and Gaijin's many problems until they either get fixed, or until they go under.
*Do not let up.*
The thing about the Abrams was it wasn't free. The community was just dumb enough to fall for it. I trust this community to be normie cows as the community has been replaced with cows over the years. Consume produce, get excited for new product.
Problem is Money talks if Folks quit sinking money into the game then something will be done. if people are buying stuff then nothing will get done.
I would love if this spiraled into a Bud Light type disaster, and I think it's more likely than ever considering things like that
@@gopherasoda2492 that would require gamers to actually have standards, and lets be real...a lot of us really don't. just a vocal minority. Time and time again everytime gamers "rallied" against a company most of the time it just ends up being forgotten about and people just give up and move on, then other gamers will just replace them.
@@smolpp585 You don't need to be so pessimistic, as someone from Wisconsin I can tell you alcoholics don't either, and despite that my local Kwik Trips are having to give out 24 packs with a purchase of gas just to get rid of their stock (and even then nobody's buying). Just so long as people stop treating gaijin like they can't handle the negative feedback, they're not sensative they're just abusive (like EA). Besides it seems they're probably pulling the game from steam due to the review bombing which is a good sign (amongst other reasons of course).
love the C&C: Generals theme playing in the background
It is nice to see people talking about the war thunder problems, if no one say nothing it will be always the same, if you want changes you do something, so thank you for doing this video man, i play warthunder since 2015 and me and my dad we love it, but it never innovated in NOTHING, is always the same modes in horrible maps where you can shoot from your spawn to the enemy spawn
That nuke you dropped at the end of the match is the equivallent of gaijin nuking the players with stupid decisions.
Even with all the games flaws I really dont want to see the game die, I really enjoy it and a lot of my friends play as well. It just sucks to see this stuff happen because you know what it leads to if no change occurs.
That's my biggest problem. War Thunder is the *only* game that offers this experience. People have told me to try WoT but we all know they aren't substitutes for each other, and WoT is even more broken/p2w. I could go singleplayer and play something like GHPC. But then I'm alone and only have like 4 tanks. Rock and a hard place
War thunder is a great game but it’s Gaijin that are killing it, they’re destroying their creation to profit from it. Now it’s gotten so bad CC’s are voicing concerns.. It’s not good, to put it lightly..
@@giantidiot31 and other games doesn't have aircraft and naval battles
@@giantidiot31 WoT is actually less pay2win. WG gives away premium time quite often from events and the battle pass and gives you the ability to get a tier 8 premium for free using bonds which is a currency you can only earn in game and not buy. The grind is also much shorter especially due to the free premium i mentioned earlier and blueprint mechanic which can let you skip research on vehicles if you have enough. Premium ammo is still a thing but if used sparingly (aka don't spam it) you can still run a profit. Of course the game still has rng which is not everyone's cup of tea and of course artillery but that's probably about as cancerous as CAS
@@giantidiot31exactly and thats why Gaijin is so stubborn…because they dont have any competition. And thats so sad about this, they made an original game that, at least for me, combines perfect amount of realism with simplicity and features tanks planes and also ships from ww2 to the 80’. WT sparked my love for planes and tanks and if it dies i dont know what could i play…
I like the grind in that it gives me a reason to do well and something to work towards. But God damn I've had the game for years and I've not even got close to jets yet. The grind is too much at the moment
I seen to plateau at 280,000 silver lions. And i always get the trophy box right next to the 1,000,000 silver lions when i do the daily trophies etc
4:30 a good example would be the new jedi survivor, it had mixed reviews but almost all of the negative ones were complaining about the bad performance and even they had caveats that the reat of the game was really good
I was looking to get the game and I saw the reveiuws were bad. Having played jedi fallen order it looked weird to me so I had a look at what the revieuws had to say. Gajin is on a load of bullshit rn and should just make it easier and more fun for free to play players.
If a game looks interesting to you but it has bad reviews you will still look at the reviews. If you ignore the game simply for a bad score (and recent one at that) that means you never really were that interested in the game
@@shepardpolska This is not what most people do or else Gaijin wouldnt be complaining about it. Cognitive dissonance stuff.
@@mbsb1376 I mean, considering all of Gaijins actions, assuming they have a valid thinking behind it seems really far fetched.
Gaijin is just like (almost) any government, basically. They announce some decision they've come up with, gaslight that it's good for you when it's obviously not, after backlash (if there is any) imitate that they back off and then implement the spoken policy over an extended period of time and/or give you an illusion of choice where either option is awful.
The russian government, specifically. Nothing but vranyo, dezinformatsiya, and maskirovka.
*ahem* Hong Kong protests *cough*
On WT mobile, you can pay anywhere from £50 to £200 worth of currency for a tank that is basically the exact same as its non-upgraded counterpart, except it has a different decal- a slightly different coloured camouflage.
The C&C Generals music in the beginning
I have to say, even before the grind was unbearable. Imagine spending hours just to EARN for one of many tanks you already UNLOCKED, but can't buy, because whenever you try to earn money you get destroyed by bias, premium tryhards or rng... or all at once. There need to be some changes, because if this continues, people WILL quit. Not because the game is bad, but because they can't play it.
I have 10s of tanks that are unlocked but couldnt buy. Mostly rank 6 and 7. I dont get much SL even if i carried the match and i lose SL if i make a mistake. I stopped playing my fav lineup because i lose SL or gain nothing at the end of the day
Imagine me playing russian top tier and trying to earn money to buy my new tanks - imposible. I can never earn money reliably, whatever I gain I loose in repairs. And if I have a good game, it's like 10k of benefit. Good luck buying a 1M tank.
Stopped playing this shit until it gets better. I don't want to play the 5.7 I've played for YEARS to earn some fucking pocket change.
@@klei7263 go grind 5.3 and farm kills on tiger players
@@igoralecu6673 I'm tired of doing that. Very little fun in repetition.
@@klei7263 meanwhile russian top tier has one of the cheapest lineups in the game, if not THE cheapest in repair costs. Most minor nations like Japan, France, Italy, etc. have almost double the repaircosts for their vehicles.
Just to break even in many a game you need to get 5-6 kills and 2 caps...
Very thankful for all content creators who speak out against Gaijin and their shitty response, this situation wouldn't have gone so out of control if they just took not only our feedback but even feedback from their own content creators. Just don't freaking make the game worse.
This game could be downright the best military vehicle combat game ever made but they don't care. There hasn't been passion or care about quality involved in years. As many have said, it's just about money, anything else literally means nothing to them. Feel bad for the few devs they have who probably do care and try to make the best of what they have control over.
It's almost like systems that encourage greed while punishing fun or empathy are a bad thing
Y’all keep this pressure up. I’ve seen devs and corpos do this before: they’ll push too hard in their greed, their customers lash out, then the culprits issue an apology, publicly cancel whatever change brought things to a head, maybe give a small “good-will” token to the offended community, then slowly creep the exact same shit into their product at a later date in smaller increments.
This will not stop. Not until you hit their wallets so hard that they can’t continue to disregard your influence on their product and profits. Until Gaijin realizes there will be NO more income if they not only stop pushing this method of monetization, but actively _rescind_ the previous terrible economy changes, they’ll absolutely try this again in a few months when they think they can reasonably get away with it.
I might not like your content or channel, but you do have my respect for standing together with playerbase against the snail's abuse.
We all have to stay together, if any changes are to be implemented.
Thank God for Spookston, Im a casual WT player and have been hearing about the economy crisis. Instead of going to another channel or read a blog, I'll just listen to this man because I know he will explain it in a clear and concise manner. Your vocabulary is stunning
The community response is well deserved. I've watched gaijin slowly but surely put all of their emphasis on their business model. It's no longer about whether the game is enjoyable, we have all become nothing but numbers and percentages over the years. Gaijin is a perfect worst case scenario of how developers can lose touch over time. It's disgusting.
The problem is not Gaijin. The problem is American Capitalism.
They are legally obligated (with actual consequences) to make as much money as possible for shareholders *at all costs*. They don't have a choice. If a shareholder says "you can do better" they either do it, or they have to prove it can't be done.
Oppose the system, and we might see games that prioritize anything but profit... Maybe even one day games that see and treat themselves as Art.
Edit: As a helpful comment pointed out they are not publicly traded, but they are owned by a Russian-based former Gazprom Oligarch. This makes it all the more confusing that they act this against their interests unless that owner is the one applying the pressure himself. Same problem, different mechanism I suppose.
@@RobinTheBot I feel like that's taking a problem over a video game to heights that a community of this size can't reach. I agree with what you're saying, however, there are small changes Gaijin can make that will not harm their sales. I feel like part of their issue is the lack of faith in their community, as if nobody at all will spend money if the game is just a little easier. There are things we can do, they just have to actually listen and understand us.
@Robin Bot I cannot find any evidence that they are publicly traded. What evidence do you have that their problems are because of investors and not because of greedy upper management?
@@RobinTheBot Ah yes, it's capitalism's fault. As if its impossible to make a decent profit without selling your soul for money..
@@cozybeans And our tiny community can't fight the system alone... But that's what unity is for. It's no reason to not fight, it's a reason to find allies who share your enemy.
A well-presented argument. Good job!
A bunch of my friends play WT. I've tried to get into it a number of times, but as someone who already does not have a lot of free time, it just never seems worth it.
I want to have fun with my limited time, not grind numbingly... And now I hear the grind has gotten worse? yikes.
They really need to read the room as you said.
The way Gaijin's responded to people's reaction is the same way Ubisoft did when they announced their Quartz/NFT bullshit.
"Ohh the players just don't know it's better for them!" "WE know better than the userbase!"
As someone with thousands of hours a decade of playing on and off this is enough honesty. GAIJIN Deserve everything thats coming to them.
Same I've been playing from the beginning and had to take breaks from it over the years because the grind just gets to the point of being exhausting and feels like a second job.
They do
The response of the community goes to show how fearsome one can be when they all get together and stand up against greedy, unrespectful companies, i wish people would do this more often because it clearly works.
I just noticed Gaijin seems to even have deactivated the "recent reviews" display on the game steam page in the attempt to hide the negative reviews, they are so desperate and miserable from the backlash at this point...
I've just started playing about a month ago and have put in 160 hours. I have a theory that I've noticed not many people pick up on. As a new player there is a decent learning curve with how many maps there are and learning shot placement. So at first i just grinded through the struggle. Then i started noticing how screwed the match making is, getting full up-tiered 95% of my matches, even during peak player hours. And i believe this is done intentional, in order to incentivise paying to get higher ranks or premiums. And it worked on me. Got some premiums. However the more time i put into it i realized that the up-tier never ends, until you get to top teir vehicles.
Just to weigh in on the "give players everything" portion of their statement. For players as old as us who have been around since the Beta 10+ years ago, Tier 20 allowed you to get MULTIPLE vehicles all at once when you levelled up and I know it's not the same as having everything all available to you from the start but that system made it so fun to actually play the game.
I will never forget getting the ME-163, 262 etc all at once, it was so exciting and it just made me want to continue with the other nations, which I did. This system also allowed for friends of mine to hop in and play casually and unlock multiple vehicles all at once, these friends won't even touch this game anymore due to the large investment needed to actually get to vehicles you want without paying for a high tier premium to maximize your grind potential.
I just don't understand how they can sit there and say something like this with so much confidence and arrogance that they are right and we're wrong.
I've been encouraged to see big creators like you, Odd, and Phly talk about the state of the game. When even super positive Phly straight up tells people "getting higher tier vehicles won't bring you happiness or fun. It's not gonna be what you think it's gonna be". Like wow
Watching creators like y'all convinced me a while ago I genuinely don't want to play past 8.0 or so. I just don't want to deal with the nonsense
The problem with Gaijin to me isn't the economy or anything, is the event grind is horrendous. I'm not a skilled player, the event is too taxing. Probably needed a cut in half. Takes too long sometimes.
speaking of the review bombings
like 3 days ago they started hiding negative reviews on steam
As others have said, I am happy to see the content creators standing with us just as many have in the past. It’s a comfort to know the CCs aren’t Gaijin fed puppets and actually care for us and the game.
they play the game and suffer with us more than the devs lol. obviously they relate with players just as much
All I’m saying is I appreciate the honesty and unbiased opinion towards the player base.
@@Arengeesus nah the partners can just ask for vehicle unlocks
Gajin: You cant just give players everything!
Also Gajin: *drops $60 top tier premiums*
i feel like every update is about top tiers or make even higher br... lmao how much is the repair cost for like mig-29 ? what u need to shoot down entire playerbase to have any kind of income . lmao i hope gayjin shuts down their game but i feel like all they gonna do is removing it from steam so they could not get butthurt over bad rewievs. i never even played anything higher than 4.0 br and i have this game for ages now
Honestly, I would rather just buy the game for like 60 bucks and plenty of dlc just for it to be semi normal instead of not being able to finish grinding even if I was immortal with a premium account.
It's also BS that we can't sell vehicles after we have to purchase them, AFTER we research them. At least let us get a percentage of the cost back. They really suck.
I was briefly considering trying out this game, but after seeing this video I can honestly say I want no part of it. Thanks for the vid and for saving my time & $$$.
To sum it all up:
Gaijin bad
Playerbase good
Economy bad
Kinda depressing that this happened a week after I put down a solid chunk of change on the pack sale, but it should say something that someone who has been logging in every day for something like 120 days and just barely spent a bunch on a pack sale immediately lost their desire to play because of Gaijin's unbelievably tone deaf response to the situation
I feel the same. I was also planning to spend some money during the summer sale but I think I'll just stick with what i have.
if it was through their store just chargeback ez
Yeah, I too spent a good deal of my hard-earned cash for the 9.3 Merkava during the summer sale. I was actually beginning to feel some satisfaction with my purchase, considering how much trouble I was able to bypass with that free 15d premium account. And when I heard the news, I was absolutely mortified. Seriously though, had I known this earlier, those $30 would definitely have found better use elsewhere
@@apunishedmannamed2473 I bought mine from the in-game overlay using my Steam wallet. And it's been almost 10 days, so I'm not sure if I can get a refund
Welcome to the club, brother. I finally caved and bought a premium. Then this happened.
"We are not greedy"
Proceeds with selling a 1000GE lootbox for this Christmas that has a very low payout, not only that but was released at the same time as the 50% off Christmas sale.
Wasted 3k GE on that stupid box, glad I stopped myself.
"Gaijined" or better yet "Scammed"
Love the Command and Conquer music in the background
Dude this video needs to be in your top 10 most viewed, this video needs to spread it's message. Wise and true words coming from this video.
What I like is that all the CC's are on board with the playerbase and see the issues even if they don't experience it the same as a F2P player. But then you get EuropeanCanadian who mocks the community and sides with the changes😂
Common Brit-Canadian L
Yes, that'll definitely get me to play the game more. Making it more grindy, when the grind is in fact my biggest complaint about the game to begin with!
You should make video about A4E problem (expensive repair costs in air RB, and not so good Air to air capabilities)
Gaijin has the gall to ask for feedback in the forums.. where they can just delete any they don't like. Or, more specifically, their 'unpaid volunteer' gatekeepers can while the company washes their hands of these 'individual actions'.
They just want you to leave feedback on the forums so they can delete all the negatives, then say that “oh all the people love this update” happens with these kind of devs all the time
I loved to use the tiger H1 and tiger E before they were moved to 6.0
(Tiger H1 was 5.3 and tiger E was 5.7)
As someone who's spent so much time that I've grinded to Tier V German tanks (actually have unlocked Tier VI but doesn't have the SL to buy it) and all of the tier III Soviet planes
I'm never going to play that game ever again unless Gaigin change their ways, but knowing how companies are like, I think it's better off to just forget this game ever existed.
I’ve been playing for 4 years and I’ve mostly played casually after the first. I reached 6.7 Germany and then started playing other nations a lot. Yet eventually I was forced to grind in order to have the fun I want and the line-up that shouldn’t take hours on end to procure. After all the time though, I have just now only reached the leopard 2a4 and the mig 19. I have barely been over a million silver lions for a few days before using it all on new vehicles, and I’m very lucky to even reach that number when thousands of others can’t even balance the budget.
Every time I get a new vehicle, it’s usually very tedious to grind it out in order to make it good. I also have to pay attention to the repair cost in order to not be shafted. I have to
spade them all as well.
I’m beginning to get frustrated that it’s become so hard to fully grind out a tech tree and the high expense of it. They themselves said that you can basically get top tier by playing after “enough hours”. Gaijin, it’s been 4 years, I want to have fun and I want to be able to play all the tanks I always saw CZcamsrs playing when I was a kid.
But the casual player won’t have that, I have to try hard, rage, and use all my time in order to actually get something I want, the grind serves to be tiresome and unfun because you’re forced to grind and do nothing else to play this game in the way Gaijin wants you to. Almost all aspects require you to be a pro, and that’s not okay. I hope Gaijin fixes their game, I really don’t want to quit after all this time, and I want to see the players happy and doing well for themselves.
Same but I mainly have fun when I have good games like I don't die in the first 3 minutes
@@Marder_IFV it’s designed that way. If you hate the game constantly you will just delete it, but if it’s mostly hatred and a little bit of dopamine, you will keep grinding mindlessly
Hey man, I suggest that you honestly just quit. The game isn’t worth it anymore. you shouldn’t be punished for gaijins greed. I’m a 5000 hour veteran, but I’m quitting as well. I’m done with it.
@@thatonelocalauthority2809 real
As a French, the way Gaijin behaves make me think about my Government : "we know better than you do, we don't need your advice even if it's you who plays the game, with our rules".
As someone who played before RP was a thing.
The second RP got added and i couldnt progress. A single plane further, and it took me 3 days to get it only to not own it cuz SL to buy and crew was obsurd on top of SL loss for losing games as a newer player. (just got to tier 3 US, and all those planes sucked always dying to russians)
Keep in mind that new players dont have the crazy skill to drop multiple kills a round sometimes, forget realstic. Only recently i managed to het up to the lower tier jets and i got the f104... So yeah having to grind only to get a jet i cant even use sucks.
tried my hardest to play free got to t4 planes in about 2 months of grinding and left. at least i'm smart enough to realize those prices were ridiculous.