Update Sky Guardians Is Not Good
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The new War Thunder update came out about a week ago, and now that I've had some time to ruminate on it I decided to make a short video explaining why I don't think it's very good. It seems like Gaijin didn't put a lot of effort into this one, and there were a lot of questionable balancing decisions made. The most prominent probably being the new SPAA including Pantsir, ItPsV 90, and M53/59 Praga.
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Update Sky Guardians Is Not Good - Hry
Sorry for talking about Pantsir for so long, I kinda just went in with no script and rambled to myself for a while. So sorry if the video is disjointed or feels rushed.
ok
the voices
I never knew you'd use scripts in the first place, still impressive work nontheless. 👏
@@jorgosgustavus3183 the voices are winning
It’s understandable, I too have blocked myself from recognizing the fact that it even exists
I love how Spokston makes the game look so fun in every video but when I jump into ground battles myself the game is still miserable.
Skill issue 😂
@@WindRyder757 bro you are in the same miserable, unbalanced and quite pay to win game. We are all skill issues
i think he is also miserable, just extremly good at the game + the power of jumpcuts
@@areusure538 Tell me, what about war thunder is pay to win? im curious.
@@armoredlumberjack1999 the bushes and the slightly overpowered premiums
The worst part about gaijin saying the tunguska sucked was as soon as the update dropped they nerfed it to the point that it is as bad as they claim. The missiles freak out if you change where you’re aiming, and the radar (and therefore radar lead indicator) is damn near useless because of the insane drift. Gaijin really just said it was one of the worst SPAAs at top tier, then just made it so.
Sounds like a justification was made on purpose to add more russian spaa
@@llaammeerr2506 as a russian main and a huge fan of the tungy, i really hope not. Id be more then happy to lose the AP belts and not get any new top tier SPAAs if i can get the missiles back to the pre-nerf performance.
Yeah the missiles on the 2S6 are ass now unless it's a heli hovering or a drone.
Wow I thought it just my issue that Tunguska's tracking system so jittering after current update.
@@llaammeerr2506 Average gaijin moment. Just add more russian vehicles like they already havent got fucking enough
I would love to see a new episode of "Spookston tries to battle Gaijin over bug-reports and looses his mind" ! I'm really looking forward to
Yeah, honestly, he should just out them on every instance of cherrypicking data and bias that he catches them in.
That'll be every update guaranteed. I've said to my friends war thunder is such dogshit that it literally seems like the devs intentionally fuck up the game as much as possible and laugh at people who still play.
Saaaaame
7:21 i understand why the ammunition in the kill feed is annoying for tank players but as an almost soley aviation player seeing what missile killed you when u die is a nice change
It should be toggle per game mode, and it should give you the specs of that shell/missle when you hover your mouse over it. I for one do not know all the ammo types for each tank/plane
in tank RB it would be cleaner if we were simply told the shell type (apfsds, heatfs, hesh, hefs?). It wouldn’t be very helpful at top top tier but good for literally the rest of the BRs
@@FoxtrotGolfLima seriously, there are so many different shells for each nation, I don't care to learn what the Italian shell is, just tell me it was apfsds
I LOVE that change. I'm all for more info. And I don't think it clutters the killfeed anymore than super long names already do. I play mostly ground but even then being able to see which dart killed me is neat. And it's especially good for air like you said. Even with helis theres like 100 different weapons, so being able to see which missile killed me is good.
@@FoxtrotGolfLima You could already see that by the model of the shell. Now it just specifies which shell it actually was.
Gaijin: Here's a new War Thunder Update!
Spook: My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined...
More like the entire community
they should add a singular american light tank specially for him every update to bribe him
@@supersupermao They gonna add the RDFLT which is in his words "A production version of the HSTVL"
Literally anyone playing WT with enough braincells to notice this trashfire.
days*
I'm showering but a spookston upload is more important then the water bill
BRUH that’s so true
same
You mean your daily hygiene dumba**
Dont waste water foo. DONT. DO NOT. >:(
@@dragonbutt my house has flooded
Another thing is that all aircraft cannons now use the RealShatter system which basically just results in a flat nerf across the board and makes cannons much less consistent. I’ve heard it called “the volumetric of the skies” which is fitting
It also just straight up doesn’t work with HE damage no longer functioning. Only the fragmentation is dealing damage which of course, doesn’t affect Russian shrapnel shells.
@@alphastronghold715 the devs are russians...
@AgentK 2712 wow, and that matters because? 👏 oh, wait, 3.3 panzer 4. 5.3 medium tank 50 ton panther, beglitpanzer, Japan having the highest win rate in air...
@@mitri5389 the begleitpanzer is absolutely shit compared to the 2S38😂😂😂
@@mitri5389 the 3.3 Panzer isnt even overpowered, since the T-34 76 is a running volumetric bs.
The Panther isnt even a 50t tank, it is easily killable if you dont have a skill issue
The APDS was "fixed" by removing it as soon as it hits a piece of armor and creating more spall instead. This means that any piece of layered armor such as on the leopard a1a1 turret is completely impenetrable to apds.
Thats utterly ridiculous.
I see no bias here. /s
When the update came out, I was really scared, a few weeks ago I had already gotten the M60, its maximum penetration was 303mm, so when it came out, its penetration was now 356mm, but something that surprised me was the fact of the damage it did, the damage now was poor, the projectile went straight to the ground when it hit, for example, a T-55, and for that reason I stopped playing, They didn't fix that anymore, it's just as you say, the projectile practically disappears and only releases fragments.
I played around in protection analysis and the T92 firing APDS against itself more often than not the engine just eats the slug and all the spall while APCR from the same gun goes right through the whole tank
One of the few good things that this update introduced (or at least I have noticed after the update) the ready rack refill much faster. but to compensate they introduced a bug that the readyrack magically empty itself at the beginning of the match and must be refilled again.
And they nerfed all vehicles with faster than 5s rack refill.. now a 57mm shell in the begleit takes 5s to move 5cm... soth which should not take longer than1s or even less
Yup, I had to refill 2 rounds after I spawned and was confused lol
@@chez6459 my M48C routinely has to refill all 20 rounds at the start of the match -_-
It only happen to me once in my T34-85(D-5T)
@@heheheuhue6943 I feel bad for you cuz that's awful
I was hoping from this update when I saw it’s name Sky Guardians it would add a decent number of aa for all nations that needed it and was looking forward to it. I realized after the dev server that wasn’t going to be the case and it feels more rushed and no to little consideration of what it was going to be.
I was hoping they would give Japan some decent AA but guess not
@@mysticalcat3716 Israel needs that more. At least your AA is stupidly mobile and can scout
@@thatcarguydom266 and the Machbet at least has a gun.
@@crez3463 Yeah forgot about that part
@@mysticalcat3716 I'd say they both equally need AA, but it doesnt matter since nothing will change even in fucking AA themed updates...
In all my time of War Thunder, the debacle about the M41A1's turret traverse has got to be the most stupid. Gaijin literally went up and said "Hur dur the M41 baseline has 25 degrees so the M41A1 must have 25 as well even though this man's report proves it otherwise."
One thing I find funny that Ash pointed out in this update is the Italian float plane, the Ro.44, has the wrong cockpit. They just used a CR.32's cockpit, moved the gunscope, and removed the Aileron pullies. The plane's cockpit model doesn't even offset your height from the water to account for the Pontoon height. You just belly flop in first person.
Gaijin trying not to add an unbalanced vehicle each update:
which coincidentally...most of it are Russian.
im pretty sure that just a coincidence, right?
Gaijin when they see NATO has a overpowered (whatever it could be anything): GET THAT THING OUT OF MY SIGHT
@@gamingwolf6735I’m convinced that Gaijin are just a bunch of Russians that make overpowered Russian vehicles to spite Americans and Germans.
@@drmaulana2600 For air, it’s mostly the U.S., and for ground, it’s mostly Russia. Although considering the changes made to the VT-1 and how all sam missiles work now, I actually don’t think the Pantsir is unbalanced. The German Hunter was probably the most unbalanced vehicle added this update.
@@drmaulana2600 Gaijin cannot make the russian military look bad or all of the sudden every russian Gaijin employee will end up in the front at Ukraine or walk out of a window.
No that isn't a joke, there is a literal law in russia that states that you are not allowed to make the russian military look worse than it's counterparts.
imagine Gaijoob fixing the antiair radar targeting bug where your whole radar just wobbles and sways over half of the screen no matter what you do, what you drive, where you are, what air target you target. it just goes up and down like my heartrate when im trying to nut suffer from cas due inability of using AA decently without just playinng completely without radar lock.
Just track without radar lock. Not hard.
@@jamesyak52 damn thanks for reading my comment. absolute brainchad.
That was a bug? I thought they just nerfed the radar of my singular SPAA with a Radar.
It is legitimately easier to use the IRST tracking of a BMP-2M over my SPAA for shooting down Aircraft at this point.
On the topic of the Swiss Hunter. Yes it's unwarranted that that plane went to Germany, heck it's unwarranted that the plane was added outside of Britain first who would need it more. But as a Swiss person I am glad that Switzerland is going to Germany over France. It's a bit more complicated than "the country speaks mostly German", it's on a culture level as well. France can get the Benelux, Belgium also having quite a few unique vehicles and being culturally more closely linked to France than Germany. I've been wrestling this topic on Reddit and it's frankly super tiring hearing people with wikipedia level of knowledge on the topic trying to argue to a native that the decision makes no sense on any spectrum. Yes the plane is Brittish, yes the missiles are american, yes the livery they used is used by the french speaking parts of switzerland, yes the french tree would need it more, no the swiss tree shouldn't be split between france, germany and italy and no switzerland isn't culturally isolated from germany and/or closer to france or italy.
Now give me my shitty Panzer 58 and it's crappy ass line.
As a southern German with relatives either being swiss or living there it's hard to say which group they dislike more the french or Germans lol.
@@PinHeadSupliciumwtf Lol I'mma assume they're from the Basel region, Delemont or Neuchatel? People from Schwytz manage to hate everyone, even the Swiss!
Basel has hands down the best con though. And the fact that you can access Germany on a whim is really cool.
@@ayuvir yeah, the Basel Stadt and Land thing is a weird concoction from an outsider's perspective considering the size of cantons.
Im German, and I had a few Swiss online friends over the years.
All of them were able to speak hoch deutsch, and generally there was no weird cultural difference or anything.
My french friends however are noticeably different to Germans.
@@Kortonox I get the feeling that a lot of people from larger countries like USA or China have a hard time understanding how different cultures get in Europe, where a 2h drive can get you in a place where the languages you can speak are completely useless and what you think is common behavior suddenly isn't.
The ammunition display in the kill feed is mostly useful for naval, so you can see which enemy guns are operational and what ammo type they have unlocked. This allows you to reflect on whether you want to engage them or not.
Arizona with 14inch HE 😴😴😴
Arizona with 14inch AP (I'm in marl) 😮😮
@@henryyoung7852 Scharnhorst with AP (Let's start blasting B))
Gajin - tells players that tunguska is worst top tier spaa stat vise
Also Gajin - nerfs tunguska in to the ground so it can't kill planes even when you trying very hard to do so, and there is only 1 pantsir every 4-5 battles so you just getting clapped by CAS because TUNGUSKA CAN'T KILL PLANES ANYMORE!
I’m glad I’ve stopped playing, It’s crazy to me how unbalanced top tier continues to get. I feel bad for the f2p, they have endured more than anyone in the bible
@@aidonger42069 It's bold of you to assume that they're still F2P players left
Lol only 1 Pantsir, every match there's like 3 of them first spawn.
@@TrampMachine Dude every match i fight against Russia (mostly all of them) if i spawn in a fighter to get like a frogfoot i get sent back to the hanger 10 seconds after i spawned because of the Pantsir insane range
Me: currently playing the Otomatic while reading this.
Always remember before its nerf the Tunguska was at the same BR as an SPAA with no missiles. A lot easier to dodge rounds when their unguided.
The bulldog is my favorite tank in the entire game, and I was pretty shocked that they nerfed the turret rotation speed
for what??
Dang I just unlocked it a few days ago and was earning some SL to change my lineup back to 6.0. Wish I had played it sooner before they made it unplayable
@@LispyCat what you mean
@@LispyCat it had a very high reaction speed, and with an aced crew, it sometimes felt like it had an auto loader
@@ThommyofThenn from my experience, it felt pretty easy to use, despite apds being a mixed bag
There's also the issue of certain tanks missing their armor or gaps in their armor appearing. Zenturion made a few videos of tanks like the object 906 that have no turret armor at all now.
You know, since this video was covering SPAA in Tank Destroyer roles a bit, I wonder: Could you make an analysis video on whether something like this could be done in reality? Maybe starting off with a general look at "could current SPAA fight ground targets"", then going into "but how effective would their guns be?" and ending on "could you make a hypothetical tank with the armament of an SPAA designed to fight tanks?"
I think that would be really cool to see, because I have no idea where I'd even start looking for sources to any of those questions ^^''''
Have always been curious to this as well. I know in the Middle East, regimes used ZSU-23-4's as self propelled anti-everything guns, but I would be curious if it's even feasible it could be done with more modern systems. A lot of 2S6's were abandoned in Ukraine last year.
@@jhelmut2624 it could work, maybe not against the newest tanks but everything below that
@@jhelmut2624 I think everything that ain't MBT (like IFV, transporters, etc.) would be shredded by spaa
The most outstanding bug was using the laser rangerfinder on the FlaRakRad caused the game to instantly crash. Don't forget that the reload was bugged for a couple days as well.
That’s not the worse…..I put three vt1 rockets from my Flakrakrad into a Pansir and did zero damage (one rocket going directly into the cab)
@@opairsoft8100 I had that happen while using M830a1
These bug reports sagas are enlightening. The biggest reason why I play War Thunder is because I admire Gaijin’s supposed respect towards historical accuracy (yeah rip my subjective opinion apart, I won’t give a crap). These repeated examples you listed has eliminated my remaining faith that they are keeping true to that accuracy, and therefore I will promptly be playing Ground far less. They can cater to their shrinking pie of players if they would like, I won’t be giving them any more of my money in that regard unless they change their actions.
Edit: I suppose I should clarify. Should have added the words “of people who don’t play USSR” onto my words “shrinking pie.” My apologies for my poor use of the language.
Unfortunately, I feel most of their changes they do implement makes the game more frustrating to play also. Like changing aircraft ballistics to be more realistic only to completely erroneously change bullet drop on some cannons to be frustratingly difficult to aim or do less damage than a 7.62. Or how about closing bug reports because they need you to site historical documentation to make a bug report, isn't that just lovely.
@@ophion818 that’s what they require?
@@gasterthescreamingbanshee8673 I don't know if it's the norm but I have seen a couple of cases where they've used that as an excuse to not fix something in game. One report that they have since fixed was the fragmentation of certain 20mms
Gaijin trying not the nerf western vehicles in any update challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
The update is disappointing but the game is far from shrinking.
I personally like the change which shows the ammunition in the kill feed. Sometimes I would really like to know what penned and kills me, and I think its interesting to see what killed others as well.
At this point I don't care what the enemy has, just hoping my nerf blaster can somehow deal damage.
What waffles me about the addition of the Patsir is that Gajin said, just two updates ago when they added it to China, that they would add the TOR to Russia too.
Things change. Also I'd rather have new vehicles because playing the damn m4, pz4, bf 109, p47, p39, corsair, t-55, t-72, m24 gets really old.
The devs said they were adding it or even a better improved M2 variant to RU, but that "Ackshually" their "Spreadsheet/Statistics" showed the TOR-M1 is a massive POS too so it wouldn't solve the "Terrible RU SPAA" issue their stats said they have, so instead they added the fucking WT Baba Yaga of planes and don't see why everyones freaking out because their "stats" show its weapons and capabilities should be completely fair and balanced...
They literally said just one can single handedly lock down the skies/map in the dev blog, and then a few days later that it's 100% balanced and not OP at all in the follow-up post after everyone flipped out...😂
(The Dev Blog also mentioned it's unrivaled in game ability to simultaneously shoot SAMs at 4-separate planes, but that "As every player knows though, seeing 4 planes at once is unlikely"😂. Even more proof they don't play or have any idea what goes on in their own game.)
Another thing about the M41. Particularly the M331 APDS it uses (along with the T92).
For some reason, the core of this APDS round is 0.3 kg too light. In real life, the core is 38.1 mm diameter, and roughly 127 mm long, according to a diagram that shows the diameters and lengths on different parts of the M331 round (sabot included). M93 and M319 HVAP/APCR (these two rounds have the same core) have nearly the exact same dimensions, and both have the correct, documented core weight of 1.79 kg, but then M331 has a weight of 1.49 kg. Obviously this hurts the penetration of the round, since Gaijin has switched all APDS rounds to a formula rather than the previous hard coded pen values, so having 17% less weight than it should is a very big hit. On top of that, M331 now has early APDS slope modifiers...
Unfortunately there is no direct source on the actual weight of the core from what I've seen. I know it is roughly 1.8 kg, not only because of the measurements on that diagram (which, again, lists the core as being very similar to M93/M319), but also because Conraire (WarThunder Forums Senior Technical Moderator) did a cad model of the M331 APDS core using that diagram of M331, came up with that weight, and sent those results in a Discord server I'm in. According to him, M331 seems to have a slightly longer core than M93/M319 so 1.8 kg seems correct. Still, highly probable that Gaijin just ignores it because it's not a direct source that states the weight of it.
I mean, as you just saw and heard from Spookston, in doesnt fucking matter how well you source your Bug report. They donr care if they dont like what it says. You can literally be the author of a 100% correct and widely used, public paper, and they still would refuse it if they didnt like what you wrote
Honestly the most scuffed part about this is the fact that EVEN THOUGH said bug reports are incredibly well-sourced especially if Spookston is looking into it, they STILL Do NOT care and will just not change shit because...????? Nobody really knows why but the point beings they make the world their own oyster and be damned if anybody else shows them otherwise it seems like. Absolutely stupid
They would ignore it even if it did directly state the weight of the shell because Gaijin hates the USA and anything that could be considered a buff is something they refuse to add or correct as Spook has shown numerous times.
@@alphastronghold715t’s more like anything buffs tech tree vehicles and not premiums they ignore it and anything that needs they use
in real life it wasn't used against tigers and t-34, let's start with it. also everybody knows gayjin fucked up with many solid rounds what do you want
Small part of the update, but I think the contrails are a great addition. If they're adding in yet more high tier jets, then contrails become a very useful tactical device. Either you forego stealth and just climb as high as possible for the best Fox 3, or you can remain below the conning altitude and not be spotted from 60 kilometers away. That the same idea applies in Ground RB is also very good news... because who the hell actually likes playing *against* CAS?
I don't mind CAS, if I need to I jump in a plane and take a few out and getting SPAA kills is satisfying at low to mid tier's
please keep making videos like this Spookston. I love love LOVE the ground rambles. You got me into ground rb and I appreciate your input
the new swedish spaa is just a chieftain marksman turret (that is on the british tree) on the leo hull
Tbh, that is what was done irl, and at the very least it's a bit unique gameplay-wise due to the increased mobility. At least it's a bit more unique than the ZSU-57-2 that precedes it.
Yea, I was surprised when he said that it's OP, cause it doesn't really look all that OP on paper.
@@a.b.3455 maybe for the leo 2 chasis, but for the gun is literally the same as gepard and chieftain marksman (and this thing is sat in higher BR than those two), idk why spook is complaining on that part lmao.
@@drmaulana2600 maybe he forgot just how strong SPAAs can be at that rank. 🤷🏻♀️
Im not sure but maybe it can carry way more apds rounds than the other versions. I have the Gepard and if it wouldn't be for the the small apds belt i would honestly prefer it over the Puma cause for what ever reasons the apds on the Gepard has more penetration on a higher firerate than the Puma. But then again i don't have the new aa so maybe i am wrong
A bug that I've noticed is the new American heavy tank the T1E1 the dual machine guns in the hull don't rotate left right at all
Gaijin really needs some competition at this point.
Hey anybody remember when gaijin would advertise about how air, land and sea wpuld be in the same match?
Ammunition used in the kill feed may not be useful to a youtuber that knows every round in the game but for the average player who has only researched one or two tech trees it is incredibly useful for learning about other nations vehicles and how to fight them. Esoecially missiles in air.
I have not looked at the kill feed once in this game.
I think the thing that frustrates me the most about about recent updates is HE being broken. Airfield AA didn’t work but they fixed that I think. But most plane HE rounds just don’t work at all now, except Russian planes with shrapnel rounds. It’s just frustrating to watch a plane eat a burst of cannon fire and fly away
I think they fixed it. My HE rounds were working properly yesterday, and I used MG 151s and NR-30s with primarily HE. In the kill feeds, the HE was usually what was displayed as bringing the final blow, and the planes were blowing apart quickly at the tail or wing roots, except for when I’d pilot snipe instead.
Airfield AA wasn't broken. They changed the way the AA targets you for the better, but didn't make it adjust its fire quickly enough and every sweaty, panting airfield camper raced to the forums to cry about it. Now we are probably gonna be stuck with the completely horrible wallhacking, aimbot airfield AA that can snapshot you at 4km altitude from over 4km away or just right through a literal hill. I can show you multiple replays of the airfield shooting me while I'm behind terrain and the tracers are coming out of the ground, but sure, you can call it "fixed".
@@XSpamDragonX they also never fixed the range problems where airfields that were moved closer for low tier would still engage at the same ranges as before; so on some maps the airfield AAA will shoot you if you're flying over the enemy tank spawns, in early, very slow planes.
Theres also a few mid range airfields that do it at around 5.7/6.7, nothing to ruin your day like getting pilot sniped by AAA while dogfighting 2 whole inches outside of the battlefield
@@XSpamDragonX They didn’t make any blog or changelog about the Airfield AA being intentionally changed, and the AA actually wouldn’t do anything for multiple minutes whilst the person trying to land or takeoff would get schwacked. Air field AA is supposed to be very deadly against loiterers, so quick passes are okay, but more than 10 seconds should make them start taking damage.
Airfield AA should be able to protect, but not be so strong that it obliterates people more than 2km away really quickly. Gaijin needs to find s good middle ground, but for the most part, I’d rather have AA that actually works and just have to ground pound or wait for someone to leave their airfield. It’s better than always dying when I go to land even if I’m still letting the other team win. Getting swarmed and then having to pay repair cost for it is less enjoyable than moving on to another match for free.
@@XSpamDragonX > They changed the way the AA targets you for the better, but didn't make it adjust its fire quickly enough and every sweaty, panting airfield camper raced to the forums to cry about it.
I loved those times, nothing quite like seeing the retards who can't play the game have nowhere to run away to and use as a massive crutch.
Great video, as someone who plays primarily top tier Air RB, a lot of those issues aren’t immediately visible. My thoughts on the update:
- Showing the weapon that killed you is useful in air RB, since if it’s a missile you can learn what killed you (IR vs SARH, at least), make a mental note of it, and hopefully beat it next time
- Bigger maps are very nice, but more players on top of that just means that dogfights are nearly impossible
- most of the new vehicles arent meta-breaking or broken, but that’s because they’re mostly copied from something else (Kurnass, German MiG-29, F-16AJ)
- Swiss Hunter should have gone to France, I agree. Should also be at least 10.0
- overall 7/10 update for air RB, sounds better off than ground RB is at the moment
I just got the F-84 and recently ended up on one of the new giant maps and lemme tell ya, for a BR that has no missiles, that really sucked
Ground RB is omega joke with that biased CAS especially in Russia side, small maps and biased vehicles like pantshit.
0/10 update, they haven’t fixed the f*cking HE shells yet.
I would like to fire something other than tracer shells here Gaijin.
The hunter should have gone to the U.K. or Sweden. Not Germany or France
Love how calm and collected you always seem to sound during your videos. How on earth do you manage to avoid tilt in warthunder, and on that note have you ever done a video on the least satisfying/most frustrating tanks to play?
I totally get people feeling winter maps are quite same-y. But personally I really like winter and snow so I'm really happy we're getting more of them.
Would like you to review the Pak Pumma with the 75mm. Is a higher BR currently now still good compared to 2017 when it was 3.0?
Yes, it is. Actually, it's a little bit better now as there are not as many fast vehicles as on lower BRs, which makes it even easier to flank and get into an ambush position... 🙂
Spookston: Did you say overpowered event light vehicle? 😍
Count me in 😎
The only thing I'll disagree on is the snow maps. Personally, I've always loved winter, in part due to the aesthetic of a snowy landscape. Because of that, I genuinely enjoy winter maps. Also gives me an opportunity to use some of the sweet winter camos on tanks that I rarely got to see before. Would I love to see an equal balance or forest, desert, and winter maps? Yes, that'd certainly be better. Would I prefer unique snow maps instead of reskins? I don't know, I like both. It's kinda nice to see old maps like that.
As for the bug reporting, don't even get me started. Take a look at the forum post detailing how the Italian M47 (105/55) is completely wrong, and is the wrong variant of the tank entirely, combined with a couple small mistakes even compared to that incorrect one. It's a perfect post with all the details they need to fix and the correct ones to put in their place. Almost two months later, they replied and simply said they're aware of the issue... and that was a year ago.
I genuinely don't know what is up with Spook's graphics because the snow maps he shows are way, way brighter than what I see in game.
@@pax6833 Yeah, same. When he said he gets flashbanged the moment he spawns, I have no idea what he's talking about.
There are some hidden settings you can access with nvidia cards, such as saturation and gamma.
@@pax6833 because he uses max brightness to see at night better and forgets to change it for day. Lol
I'm on your side on this one, the snow maps aren't ground breaking but they are a welcome edition in my opinion. Some of them are even better then their normal version because theres less foliage.
I could see Gaijin adding the Patriot and just pretending the command unit et. al. were offmap. Any additional systems required for the operation of any vehicle is just offmap and invisible.
The bigger issue with the Patriot is it would effectively break air by creating a zone of death across most of the map.
Bruh, analog to the patriot is s-300/s-400 so I'd not say something like what you said
I think that having a rotating season system would be a lot better, like summer maps in summer and fall in fall.
When it's winter in the USA it's summer in New Zealand....
Welcome back to another episode of: Solid Shot Suffering! Today Gaijin has effectively made playing half the vehicles unplayable but are failing to care due to those vehicles not being Russian! Stay tuned!
according to the latest Russian statistics western equipment is indeed complete junk and totally ineffective
When i found out about the M41A1 turret traverse was nerfed i was mad and now knowing that they're doing nothing about it. Also can we go one update with out a new map or some overly broken vehicle like the Pantsir. But over the less good video and great job on the things i was looking forward to knowing about the update.
Bulldog is already painful to play imo since it has no stabilizer and a pretty poor vertical traverse as well. Having its handling get even worse just makes me want to stop playing it at all.
I love the snow maps, I've been wanting more for a very long time.
I think the issue is more their neutering of the map rotation instead of having a large amount of maps providing good diversity we instead have a small list of maps in rotation a lot of which are currently snow maps.
To add to this:
- Every game at top tier is seemingly the world vs Russia
- Russia got NEW Spaa (x2) and NEW top tier jet.. every other vehicle for other nations was basically a copy and paste of an existing vehicle.
- Russia now has the most MBT's for lineup, Crazy survivability, Super long range + fast heli missiles and now super long range SPAA.
As a whole they are so ridiculously overpowered and the Pantsir just tipped the scales even further because now nobody bothers spawning CAS because they know they'll get swatted out of the sky immediately (as they are already in firing range). I've had games vs Russia where they have 5-7 KA50/KA52's in the sky and all they need to do is lift off from their helipad and start slinging their 16 ATGM's. Not only that, I've tried shooting them down with the TOR and not only do their missiles get there faster, but if you do manage to shoot at it first, they will just unload ATGM after ATGM, and the first one will kill your AA missile. It just ends up as a long train of missiles like two super heros firing a beam at eachother, but the Heli always wins.
They like to joke about 'Russian bias' as if it's just something people tell themselves but honestly this patch just shows how bad it is. Not only that, every event Russia seemingly *always* gets a new MBT or similar. Their top tier lineup is INSANE.
I personally really like the aviation (mostly)
The RO.44 is fun and much needed since it’s Italy’s first Float
Italys thunderbolt is boring but necessary due to the lack of CAS
The Hunter is cringe
The fighter tornadoe is overdue
The Yak-141 is awesome and I’m so happy it’s tech tree not an event
Gaijin when the challenge is to not be unbearably stupid: Impossible!
I got the M6A2E1 in WOT buffed back in 2013(?). It used to run a M6A1 hull, the one with the cylinder lower and half slope upper plate with that large view port.
Now its the standard M6A2E1 hull with the large slope in the front and no vision port in the front.
I did this by providing actual documents and measurements of the vehicle, showing the vehicle on display. They looked it over and had it updated 2 updates later
I fully agree with this, Gaijin is basically giving toys to every nation, but giving the most expensive ones to Russia. I had a few of my friends ramble about how the Pantsir is a "super good addition" even though the Tunguska was already capable enough. Funnily enough, my friends were all biased towards Russia (not politically, but in War Thunder)
At this point I just hope that community will abandon the game for better, which will surely piss off ruskies and maybe even make gaijin reconsider their poor balance and economical decisions, but realistically it looks like there will always be enough idiots pre-ordering op premiums every update.
@@colRobinOlds I think sooner enough the river will run out dry (like Spookston said) and Russia won't be top dog of Gaijin anymore. However to me that's still going to be a long time and by the time Russia isn't babies of War Thunder anymore, I'd probably be an adult already
@@CiloYT or by that time something better will come out, nothing is eternal, so it could very well be that we'll get some kind of successor to wsr thunder, with updated graphics and a better engine
Tbh i really like the snow maps. It gives a new look for most of my fav maps and all the old snow maps are really bad
Yes I absolutely love that every map is a snow map, really great
Its still a lazy way to do "Add map" ngl
On the PostFX settings change color correction to "contrast" and move the "L-inverted white" slider all the way to the left. It should make snow maps much less painful to see.
Also wheel tanks move much faster on the new snow
love the vids, would love to see one on the Ontos.
I appreciate your shift toward positivity. Your videos were getting stressful for a while back there.
Hey Spookston, you should do vids on your bug reports. Not only would it be interesting because of the information of the shells, tanks, etc, but the interactions with Gaijin are interesting as well.
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Personally I love the snow maps and would like a snow variant for all of them (well the ones that could i know jungle with snow would look very off)
Snow maps are the worst bro
On the topic of bug fixes, me and another guy had bug report for inaccuracies on the Otomatic (mine for 7 months on a 2 year old bug and his for 2 years on a 3 year old bug) and they were both fixed a couple days ago. They had the Otomatic's radar set at 10/10 instead of what their own wiki said, 90/90. They also finally gave it back its ability to lock radar and IRST with its search radar stowed, something it was specifically designed to do to counter SEAD and anti radiation missiles.
You forgot the bug that affect the visuals of turrets in most of higher tiers (especially Russian tanks) where it would look like they are looking at something when they are not and might even be looking at u and u just can't tell bec of it also I noticed a lot of rendering problems with planes and tanks where they will just disappear and reappear when they fire at u it's just getting more fcked up every new update.
As a Japan main, I was mostly worried about how the Pantsir will enforce Russian CAS.
Just as he explained, I only use the F-4EJ Kai as a pure CAP role to kill helicopters and other CAS.
So not only did they not give Japan a new SPAA in this “Sky Guardian” update, they’re pretty much denying our alternative to anti-CAS anyone on Russian team
Anything to keep up the Russian winrates. Totally no Russian bias in Russian company no sir!
Snow maps are the best! I absolutely love those variants. I get much better results there. But I can see your point.. players are kind off easier to spot there :D
Something I've also noticed (since apex predators) is that the hitbox for decorations is broken on tanks, the gun barrel hitbox extends down the front plate of alot of tanks and causes you not to be able to place any decorations in the area the gun barrel hitbox extends without glitching out the decorations.
After this update I have such problems with textures. Sometimes, right in the middle of the battle, the textures of various bars, fences and fences turn into something terrible, what you see in the photo. This also happens with some textures on the ground. I tried deleting the compiledShaders folder, reinstalling the game and nvidia drivers, but none of that solved my problem. I also noticed that this only happens on high texture settings, and on medium and low texture settings I didn't notice this issue. Before the update, I never noticed such a problem. I have a laptop with rtx 3050 ti.
Literally only wanted the update for the Char 2C...I'm not high enough in any tech tree to experience the Pan Stir situation, and for once I am glad that I don't go above 7.3
Bro I hit 7.3 Russia and I stopped. I can’t go above it because I hate the experience
@@confusedcapitalist2242 7.3 Japan is my highest. It sucks...hence why I play low tier
@@callmeclementine0w0 yeah I refuse to go above 6.7. I just can’t do it.
I only go to 8.0 US but that's only because of the M60A1 AOS and the M3 Bradley, other than that I'm never playing above 5.7
For video idea, Newport News and Des moines sit higher in water than they did in real life. If you come to a stop, the ship is literally unstable at times, not pitching up and down, rolling left and right throwing off your aim. Gaijin knows about this and have decided to not fix it.
It also makes turrets two and three massive weak spots which will instantly destroy your ship if anything pens near the waterline below them. They also nerfed it’s bulkheads in the update.
Hey Spookston wanna hear a fun fact? The lower plate for the T26E5 is still incorrectly modeled. Back when they brought the tank into the game the community hit them with the book and told gaijin to fix the lower plate angle, and they did but only for the hitbox. The 3d model is still that nearly flat angle....its been what a year now?
Hey Spookston, I just discovered your channel over the weekend and what I watched so far is pretty nice. One tank I am curious what your opinion on it is the Chi-Ha Long Gun. You seem to like one-shot cannons and you also care a lot about mobility so I wonder how a Medium tank with a naval gun would meet your fancy.
As a swiss guy i can confirm that swiss german is infact diffrent from german also literally a third or more of our country speaks french so i totally agree with your point
I think the swiss hunter should've simply been added to the british tree.
I really like snow maps and weather variations in general, I think those are super positive changes. Maybe lock snow maps to winter time only though if enough people have an issue with them.
Oh also Invisible tanks are also back in force.. Open field on Poland and I saw a leopard in the middle firing and then disappear 4 times, before I fired and destroyed it while it was invisible.. Ghost shells still a major issue made worse since this last update..
I can’t help but feel Gaijin is in love with going in circles..
Spook idk if u will see this but I’ve been getting bugs that look like they are right out of fallout like stretch textures going across the map cover everything so u can’t see and they even go into the sky like it’s crazy
8:42 No, it's not solely about if they like what you say or not, Gaijin Entertainment only wants and stands for two things; generating profit and improving the Russian armed forces image by portraying them as the strongest and best in their video game. Anything that stands between them and these two goals are either dismissed or full on attacked. Though it means nothing to Gaijin if I were to stop playing their game because I'm only one person, I just don't have the will to play this game anymore, it's unbearable
Cry... you probably play us or Germany... where all the window lickers go.
I agree, its absolutely insane how the Pantsir-M has such a long range, as its literally one of the best SPAA's ingame, and its SUCH a moment of actual bias from gaijin, but its bloody INSANE!
The new update is somewhat good, but mostly bad because of the Pantsir, or some of the other stuff.
1. Pantsir is a SAM Site at this point, a highly mobile one.
2. Nah, it slaps CAS, so it's a good think, Russian or not.
@@fade528 Nah, it just makes Russian cas stronger because now people who spawn in fighters to counter cas get killed by the pantsir sitting in spawn, allowing Russian cas to play even more aggressive.
@@hydrolox3953 I honestly going to assume everybody who defends the Patsir and claims is "fixing" the CAS problem is a russian main or a gaijin shill.
By only giving Russia AA this caliber, it means only Russia can counter CAS and it also can counter any fighter trying to shut down their CAS, so if you are not playing Russia you get fucked. what a fucking brillant gameplay design, may as well delete other nations.
with the apfsds disappearing, i was turning a corner in my leopard 2 pl and out fo no where a m1a1 aim just appears out of thin air and i shoot it in the lower hull plating from the front which is usualy a instant kill with apfsds and i watched it hit but didnt do damage and i know they didnt have spawn immunity because i was just getting out of my side of the spawn after dying in a leopard 1
Swedish apds has been broken for a bit now. Any time I fit a flat plate (or a slightly angled one), the round bounces down and disappears, and does like do damage. I had game after game of this happening and dying so much because of it.
Honestly I liked the update, mainly because I really dont care about top tier. The Char 2c and Churchill Na75 are some tanks ive been hoping for years. The new lanc models are gorgeous and the tallboys are a welcome addition! French navy is pretty cool too. I can definitely understand your complaints though.
Not tallboys, the 12000 pound bomb for the UK is a blockbuster bomb. It is functionally three 4000 pound 'cookie' bombs welded together with a tail unit.
Top tier is and will continue being a cluster mess. So yeah, atleast ww2 era players get to enjoy this update in some way.
@@Momomaster25 Noted
Talking about minor nations, Brazil would be a pretty cool addition to the game, it could be anything, independent or sub tech tree because we all know that besides not being that influential it still had a lot of interesting vehicles, like the Cascavel AFV being a major upgrade do the M8 Greyhound, the 90mm Stuarts, the joint-developed AMX ground attack fighter jet with Italy or even the domestically made EE-T1 Osório MBT.
The last thing this game needs is another nation because Gaijin can't seem to balance that stuff they already have without break shit.
PLEASE
@@crazyadam9281 Well, they didn't balance or fix most of broken things in the game and then added the Jews as a tt
If it were to he added as a subtree, where should it go? USA?
@@a.b.3455 France, because France really needs some help, and Brazil did use French guns [the 90mm for example]
Yeah the fact they added in the pantsir, a vehicle that was put into service IRL in 2012 when irl it would go against 5th gen fights lmao. Is USA getting the raptor and fat amy next update to keep up?
Not sure if this is new or not but I noticed some roof mounted mg's don't seem to have a hitbox. Was shooting a T-54 (1949) in his Dshk with the m42 ap ammo and my rounds just passed right through has happened a couple times with roof mounted Dshk but the servers hit detection seem to be worse since the update so it could just be due to that.
This update can be described with 3 words "dead on arrival"
Gaijin nerfing American tanks will not be fixed with a bug report because as much as it's memed there literally is russian bias
My windowed setting no longer works ever since the update came out
Now when I try flying planes my mouse goes off screen without me tabbing out and when I try to shoot I have to press the window key and move my mouse back in game or I'll open up a different program
The snow versions of the maps in addition to the new snow maps from the last update (?) are so very tedious. I had a run the other day of I think 6 snow maps in a row.
But the worst for me is the change to APDS. It was hard enough playing Britain as it was, and now it is close to impossible at times. The amount of ridiculous non-pens I have been getting is so frustrating.
Everything with apds is a pain now, I had 2 shells shattered Yesterday on the side of a T-34-85 with the comet so he could Turn his turret around and oneshot me without any issue. And the apds feels Like apcr sometimes, one Tank it just oneshot and the next one takes 3-4 shots cause you must snipe out every Crewmember one by one, it just dont spall
5:45 the Char2C is at 2.3 and is really OP, but also can't be uptiered because of the pen of the round (50mm)
Edit: I consider it to be op mainly cos my stats are a lot better in it than in all of my other vehicles
also thx for the replies :-)
It's only op because of the crew placement and number but everything else is trash for the BR ... Plus the gun is an early variant of the one the M3GMC has so they could give it M62 and let it stay at 2.3
Who could have guessed that a WW1 tank would be impossible to balance...
No, it's not OP. It's struggles. The only thing that it has going for it is it's reverse speed and the explosive filler. It's relatively easy to kill, it struggles to penetrate even the Panzer II and Panzer IV, it's slow and the two side-MG's that would be very useful - are not usable. It's a vehicle that is very dependent on it's player knowing what they are doing and the enemies being careless or not knowing how to kill it. The 2C Bis is a much better vehicle and it's infuriating that it's 0.6 BR's lower. And the funny part? The 2C Bis has better penetration, standing at 58mm vs the 2C with 55mm.
@@princessapplestrach6327 let's not forget that it struggles to pen many vehicles that are at lower BR than itself. And the 2C Bis, with better penetration and HE splash damage - it a whole 0.6 BR's lower.
@@ravenouself4181 the 75mm does not struggle to pen Panzers at all, you can try it yourself in the test drive. It just needs to shoot the usual weak spots that everything else needs to shoot
@2:06 Spookston, you may want to check the severe nerf or maybe bug, that the 2s6 Tunguska got… it’s very hard to hit ANYTHING with the missiles anymore.
Edit: @5:56 play low tier in the Sd.Kfz.222 I keep seeing matches where 1 of those wipes an entire team. Im talking 11-14 kills most matches… probably one of if not the most broken aa
but he meant before the update
Yeah, they're crazy because they go up to 90 kph and HVAP-T has 45mm of pen at 100m, so at 1.7 it pens almost everything it encounters frontally, let alone from the sides or rear (...which are quite easy to get to given it's so fast). Only good thing is you can shred them with MGs from the sides and back, and most shells obviously delete them with any good hit.
For naval, this update has been fine, but only fine. The two new battleships aren't powercreeping top tier, all bluewater ships got unlockable camos (although some of the camos suck), and the TT additions are okay. Des Moines being a premium sucks, and issues with SAP and HE shells have still not been addressed properly, also, we haven't gotten a good map for bluewater for literally years.
I agree about des moins being one of the players who put all the effort into getting newport news last year
I love it especially with the jet RB changes!
i like seeing the ammunition in air rb to see what missiles I'm going up against.
i think I'm the only one who noticed that on the first day of the update every ready rack was bugged. the ready rack was not used after a reload so like on high fire rate tanks with ready racks like the 2s38 that was quite something to just spam 100 rounds in one tank
I like that you can see on the killfeed witch ammo you get killed. Especcially in high Jet Tier that a good info
The fact that the swiss hunter went to Germany is true pain, adding Switzerland to France will solve three huge problems 1) addressing the sea of AP shells vehicles in mid tier with swiss vehicles, 2) Fleshes out some of the Top Tier air concerns with the French tree, and 3) Considering how fearful Gaijin is of adding vehicles to France this may actually give them an out.
As a Swiss, I would be upset if all of our vehicles were added to France. We are much closer to Germany culturally than France
Finally! A update review!
My buddy and i also seem to notice weird air to air rocket behaviour.
We both got our hands on the german mig29 and since the update the er27 would lock its own target even if the radar lock is constant.
Also goes for flares for some reason.
(Radar lock doesnt lose track)
Funny thing is r60mk will ignore flares now more often for some reason.
Today i made a kill while the enemy was using flares, evading and not uding afterburner i shot a r60mk and it reacted to the flares but ultimately ignored 6 of them and killed the enemy xD
6:40 had the same problem while grinding japan and it happens to me a couple times every game, even to the point where i couldn't side pen an obj 906 or front pen a bmp-1 while doing 0 after-pen damage in the same match
Can we get a the old event vehicle the Russian type 62 in a video? Was wondering how it stands balance wise with all the additions and changes that have been made since it’s release.
The crocodile flame thrower had a lil trolley so I do have high hopes in the future
Hey spookston, I'd suggest to try the type 87rcv again since it now sits at a higher br (8.3) or the type 89
"Thats all the vehicles" sad churchill mk4 na noises :( 😢😢
as a british only player im incredibly mad at the hunter going to germany. as someone on the forums said:
> Canadian mexas leopard, goes to Germany, not the UK, because the base vehicle is German as it is based on a german vehicle.
> Class 3P goes to Germany, not the UK, because it was built with assitance from German company for and in South Africa, and at the time there was no south african tree (That came a patch later)
> Australian M1A1 Abrams goes to the USA, not the UK, because the base vehicle is American tank even if literally every other ozzie vehicle is in the british tech tree.
> Ram II is in the us tech tree, even though it was never operated by them, and is the wrong version that they tested, because it used american made transmission elements
> Boarhoud in the US tech tree, because it was made in america, even if it was made for an order by the british, who were the only operator of it
But when the swiss hunter comes around it goes to germany, even if its based on a british vehicle, there is no justification for it being in the german tech tree, as if that was the case the Class 3(p) would have been in the brit tree, but it wasnt. This just reeks of "Rules for Thee not for Me" and makes it clear Gaijin did not learn their lesson after the backlash from the DF 105, as it just seems that they will do anything in their power to avoid giving something to britian if they think they can make more money off it by sticking it in one of the big three. ""
and not only that, but the tornado f.3 was released in an extremely buggy and sorry state, being incredibly ahistorical and simply barely worth being at 11.3.
it honestly feels like gaijin has a genuine anti british bias and are absolutely willing to cuck them out of competitive top tier vehicles, has happened before many, many times.
Hey, you should play the 90mm ARL-44 sometime. It's not the best vehicle at 5.3 but it has a cannon which can pen pretty much any heavy at its BR, and as of late I've been having good matches with it.
Gaijing also did not add winterized textures for the vehicles on the winterized Maginot Line maps
I was playing yesterday in the M36 and had fired at a target but got my gun breech taken out AFTER I fired and my shell disappeared
Laser warning systems are also bugged, you only get the green flash on your tank damage panel. No big red flashing words like usual and no ding ding sound.
Queue randomly exploding to Ka-50s reepatedly.