Is Gaijin Actually Listening To Players?

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  • čas přidán 17. 06. 2023
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    Some of you guys have asked me to cover the economy change roadmap which was released by Gaijin prior to update La Royale going live. While I do think the changes are overwhelmingly positive and I appreciate how communicative the developers have been recently, I am slightly skeptical of some aspects.
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  • @Last_Baguette0001
    @Last_Baguette0001 Před 11 měsíci +2886

    Gaijin doesn't listen unless we're forced to show our frustration.

    • @bubby9175
      @bubby9175 Před 11 měsíci +9

      Yea

    • @OumuamuaOumuamua
      @OumuamuaOumuamua Před 11 měsíci +79

      Fairly sure that’s how every corporation is ran, idk why it took the community so long to vocalize in unity

    • @Welterino
      @Welterino Před 11 měsíci +24

      Same behavior as Wargaming to be honest, both are terrible at keeping their games healthy :(

    • @cameronwalker5868
      @cameronwalker5868 Před 11 měsíci +5

      Can anyone else not play the game, it says nobody is matchmaking when I try to play

    • @NedwardFlanders
      @NedwardFlanders Před 11 měsíci +2

      Yeah that's because they don't care unless it hurts the bottom Dollar

  • @stanleythedoggy
    @stanleythedoggy Před 11 měsíci +2357

    I'm gonna stay on guard with this one. It shows that they absolutely knew all along what was most important to players to fix, and I fully expect them to slowly ratchet things back in the future or spoil this in SOME way. Although these changes seem fantastic, it's still Gaijin.

    • @raketny_hvost
      @raketny_hvost Před 11 měsíci +73

      of course they should hold ears up constantly. it's just like professional unions, which work without break to watch after businessrats. once you relax they ruin conditions of labor/playing again

    • @mursac1959
      @mursac1959 Před 11 měsíci +72

      Bingo. That roadmap was appeasement. They're probably going to see how the summer sales turn out, and plan accordingly. If they still make bank despite a "boycott", then kiss the changes goodbye.

    • @Derivedwhale45
      @Derivedwhale45 Před 11 měsíci +3

      ​@@mursac1959said no one ever bud

    • @riatorex8722
      @riatorex8722 Před 11 měsíci +17

      ​@@mursac1959 Yeah that's exactly what I'm thinking

    • @quarkedbutt3957
      @quarkedbutt3957 Před 11 měsíci +8

      I'm fairly sure they will just add shit in the files and not address it in update logs and fuck us later

  • @joshuamueller3206
    @joshuamueller3206 Před 11 měsíci +1271

    I like how when you said "play with your brain off", a Pz. IV tore right past you a second later.

    • @Sky_EggYT
      @Sky_EggYT Před 11 měsíci +131

      Most aware German main

    • @zzzzzzz...3380
      @zzzzzzz...3380 Před 11 měsíci +23

      2:46

    • @Iden_in_the_Rain
      @Iden_in_the_Rain Před 11 měsíci +14

      @@zzzzzzz...3380thanks for the time stamps 🫡

    • @wpsp2010
      @wpsp2010 Před 11 měsíci +12

      @@Sky_EggYT I've had one literally park next to me and shoot whilst I was repairing, finished repairing and 1tapped him just for him to call me a "cheater" lmfao

    • @azmanabdula
      @azmanabdula Před 11 měsíci +18

      Germany is so weird
      Some games youll get the old guard and smash
      Some games youll get a fresh batch of fools from who knows where
      but yeah, some of the silliest things I have seen come from players who play Germany

  • @Wooper160atThePond
    @Wooper160atThePond Před 11 měsíci +700

    "Saying it will allow players to just play with their brain off and throw games"
    *blind Panzer IV drives right past you*
    perfect comedic timing 2:50

    • @lucaswashington9285
      @lucaswashington9285 Před 11 měsíci +9

      Absolutely gold

    • @MRKapcer13
      @MRKapcer13 Před 11 měsíci +20

      Best Germany player :^)

    • @nasshadow7436
      @nasshadow7436 Před 11 měsíci +22

      "Why there is a sherman hiding there, HE SHOULD BE BRAWLING NOT HIDING LIKE A COWARD"

    • @h5skb4ru41
      @h5skb4ru41 Před 11 měsíci +5

      On the bright side, the update might help encouraging teamwork

    • @BeSk9991
      @BeSk9991 Před 11 měsíci +4

      Also idk, I usually have good games, but today I played like 3 tank battles, I got uptiered + later in the game spawncamp... -20k SL in 3 games. And yes, you can make that up in 1-2 good games, but it hinders progression, you can't just go play for fun, because you have to be ultrafocused if you arent that good player (it was ground AB mind you)

  • @CheezeSpartan
    @CheezeSpartan Před 11 měsíci +978

    I’ll believe it when they prove it with actual action and changes, simple as.

    • @skdKitsune
      @skdKitsune Před 11 měsíci +47

      I believe it when the changes stay that way for about 2 years, without them being changed back slowly, a few months after they hit.

    • @thesaddestdude3575
      @thesaddestdude3575 Před 11 měsíci +9

      I do believe that if they go through with it we must change our reviews to positive on steam to reward the snail for good behaviour, we have to give them incentive to change the things we want them to.

    • @skdKitsune
      @skdKitsune Před 11 měsíci +8

      @@thesaddestdude3575 Uhm no, I don't think so.

    • @gsamov
      @gsamov Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@thesaddestdude3575 Maybe when they actually put the changes in effect =]

    • @thesaddestdude3575
      @thesaddestdude3575 Před 11 měsíci +7

      @@gsamov Exactly not a second before!

  • @Scrilla01
    @Scrilla01 Před 11 měsíci +510

    The one thing that wasnt addressed was crew costs. It should not cost 300k to crew a top tier vehicle in the tech tree. It limits players from messing around with different lineups. I shouldnt have to plan ahead which tank is going where because of the crew costs

    • @vitkosbence3705
      @vitkosbence3705 Před 11 měsíci +32

      Yeah, I feel that this is one of those things that really is a lose/lose situation. Like sure repair costs are bad, but playing around them requires playing better/luckier not everyone can do that. So this will force players into premium, and maybe even buying sl. So you lose but they win. But crew costs are easily circumventable you just decide what kind of vehicle you play on what crew and that's all. And even if you want to move vehicles around there isn't a premium crew upgrade that allows you to put whatever you want on that crew. So it limits players and gets gaajin practically nothing.

    • @kiri101
      @kiri101 Před 11 měsíci +28

      I messed up what vehicles I want with each crew and now if I want to fix some later line-ups on my first nation I have to spend ~5 million SL :(

    • @sherrykathman3309
      @sherrykathman3309 Před 11 měsíci +15

      Before I quit playing, I had switched from playing air arcade to air realistic. Doing that, I decided to put all my new vehicles I unlocked into my most experienced crew slot to maximize EXP gain. But then when I decided I would like to play an arcade match again, I realized that I either had to spend a fortune to train all my higher level planes that I already bought into new crew slots, or I play with only one plane, which is not fair to myself or my team.

    • @CS_Mango
      @CS_Mango Před 11 měsíci

      Although I feel like that is something that will be less impactful as the economy improves. But I agree that it limits the flexibility.

    • @haley746
      @haley746 Před 11 měsíci +7

      Mfw it costs 1.1mil to expert a F-16 crew: 😭

  • @riatorex8722
    @riatorex8722 Před 11 měsíci +232

    As you've said previously, Gajin has had a history of slowly, and quietly reverting the changes a few months after release, which is why I'm very much on the fence with this one. Yeah, the "fixes" sure sound promising but it just isn't the snail if they don't find a way to screw things up one way or another

    • @chaosinsurgency6636
      @chaosinsurgency6636 Před 11 měsíci

      I mean you could bother to look at the datamines on the subreddit

    • @FirestormMk3
      @FirestormMk3 Před 11 měsíci +4

      Yeah, I'll be on the lookout for backpedaling and always remember what it took to get here. They have a lot of trust to earn before I spend again. All this stuff needs to become reality this year and them still show signs of listening before I see if we can start next year on a new foot. Even then I'll always be looking for any sign of reversing course.

    • @riatorex8722
      @riatorex8722 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@chaosinsurgency6636 I don't use Reddit

    • @hungryhedgehog4201
      @hungryhedgehog4201 Před 11 měsíci +2

      The recent economy changes are so emberassing they went like "we hear you" and then changes some numbers by like 2% and reduced some repair costs while also increasing other repair costs. So they mostly reshuffled repaircosts. It's like as if you strike because of wage disparity and instead of raising everyone to the highest wage they just cut the high wages down a bit.

    • @jimbothegymbro7086
      @jimbothegymbro7086 Před 11 měsíci

      the snail can and will screw us over, they have before and will again

  • @MadManchou
    @MadManchou Před 11 měsíci +85

    My personal theory is there was/is a group of devs at Gaijin HQ who try to push for player-friendly measures, but was being sidelined by corporate. The review bombing then gave them leverage to get their point of view across

    • @BlueSpaceRanger
      @BlueSpaceRanger Před 11 měsíci +12

      Hope the more player friendly devs win out. I just don't get why most games don't see the value of having a happy player base. A happy customer is paying customer as the saying goes. Though for some reason game companies think it's the reverse. Maybe they thought they can apply the same business approach as the pharmaceutical companies do? One can't deny its effectiveness.

    • @zedoktor979
      @zedoktor979 Před 11 měsíci

      Because they don’t care. For most devs it’s just their 9 to 5.

    • @lionskrike3753
      @lionskrike3753 Před 11 měsíci

      ​@zedoktor979 what? Reread what he said dude lol

    • @harrisonhonda3745
      @harrisonhonda3745 Před 11 měsíci

      Their Russian

    • @prathyushareddy9404
      @prathyushareddy9404 Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@harrisonhonda3745so what?

  • @oddforoddssake3751
    @oddforoddssake3751 Před 11 měsíci +151

    I will keep to my cautious optimism about all this. Playing WoT has hardened me to the whole “Monkey’s Paw” situation you said offhandedly. F2P devs will weasel their way around actually implementing their changes and stick to letter of the law instead of the spirit, I’ve noticed.
    But… here’s hoping. Can’t get anywhere without hope, after all.

  • @stoyantodorov2133
    @stoyantodorov2133 Před 11 měsíci +72

    The "no negative sl" buff to premium account is a great change for air rb. That way if you get yeeted at the beginning of the fight by an all-aspect missile in your flareless jet you won't pay tens of thousdands for repair. Unlike ground battles where you have respawns, air rb has the significant risk of going to the hangar with zero points.

    • @bdub1682
      @bdub1682 Před 11 měsíci +7

      well the thing is theyre also makign flares, fpe, and parts stock too (though less effective, youll only get the standard flare choice stock)

    • @araknas3981
      @araknas3981 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@bdub1682 Damn, I'm sure those stock flares are going to do a Yak-38 or an Su-7 a whole lot of good against the AIM-9Gs and Ls they eat nearly every game. That's what was referenced in the original comment.
      Flares only is all you need anyway otherwise. Just hug the ground and dodge the radar missiles like everyone else.

    • @sherrykathman3309
      @sherrykathman3309 Před 11 měsíci +5

      I saw in their roadmap post that they said that the point of repair costs is to make a player thinks about an action before they take it. But if that is the case, then why would they let premium players out of this since it should be a core aspect of the game? To me, it looks like they use repair costs to just keep earnings as low as possible to to leach SL from players to make it harder to progress. They need to just get rid of repair costs altogether. Not one of the other free to play games, including Crossout, another Gaijin game, has anything like repair costs in the games. So WT does not need them either.

    • @heliogonzalezsanchez8227
      @heliogonzalezsanchez8227 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@sherrykathman3309 they are not going to get rid of the repair costs, and with the change most of the repair costs are reasonable, if you play with a minimum of attention, so I don't mind them if they change it

    • @PrintScreen.
      @PrintScreen. Před 11 měsíci +2

      the change is bad, all the bad players with premium (way too many) will get punished even less

  • @Arc_Lab
    @Arc_Lab Před 6 měsíci +7

    This aged so well gaijin put all of these in and that feels great

  • @waffleserzeant3327
    @waffleserzeant3327 Před 11 měsíci +18

    One of the minor neat change I like is the free PBE and Part for stock tank, you get a one-time use before you upgrade and 2 times after you upgrade. That would make stock grind less suffering.

  • @Lunchbox224
    @Lunchbox224 Před 11 měsíci +36

    The foldered vehicles change is very welcome. One thing that hurts me with the grind is when I just get kind of tired using the same gun, i.e. the American 90mm or the Soviet 85/100mm, especially when there's very little change between vehicles. It's just a personal preference, but I like the idea.

    • @Caktusdud.
      @Caktusdud. Před 11 měsíci +1

      Yeah I do expect that to come and stay most importantly. I don't mind having variants if anything I like to push for them however I don't want it to be a necessity.

    • @jintsuubest9331
      @jintsuubest9331 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Sorry for engineers not have the foresight to design weapon for a video game?
      Joke aside, one way to make them feel different is give them different ammo, but people whine about that.

    • @canadianbluepants9446
      @canadianbluepants9446 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@jintsuubest9331 yeah its a lose/lose situation with that, personally idm it unless its like 5 of the same vehicles, pretty much russia lol

    • @Actul_Trap
      @Actul_Trap Před 11 měsíci

      I don’t think it will apply to the level of vehicles with the same gun being foldered, maybe more like the two versions of the t-34-85 being foldered. Or like the two Tiger variants being foldered. I am scared about certain tanks like the Sherman as the versions tend to have differences, m4a1,2,3. I would like them to be foldered but I’m not entirely sure if they are going to be. I do see this as an overall positive change, and I am willing to play the game much more now. (I do hope that there is foldering with the Sherman’s and maybe Pershing’s since I’m currently grinding us :).

    • @cortexoftheego4568
      @cortexoftheego4568 Před 5 dny

      I don't think that veterans should have faster grind of new tech trees, but rather posibility to have cheaper both in rp and sl the same tanks (all tech trees have shermans) and very little difrences means nothing, so for example every next the same t34 or m4 sherman would be 50% cheaper (1, 0.5, 0.25, 0.125 and so on).

  • @MRKapcer13
    @MRKapcer13 Před 11 měsíci +45

    I think that the devs themselves likely wanted to implement changes to improve the game for a while, but either due to project management being worried it'd lose them income or not wanting to "waste" development time on improving the game, they haven't. I don't think the development team itself wants to make a shit product, and they're most certainly aware of its shortcomings.

    • @enjoyingend1939
      @enjoyingend1939 Před 11 měsíci +16

      Most devs actually want to put out a good game, but management (which is necessary so that development time isn't actually wasted) often prioritises money gain over quality.

  • @warhead_beast7661
    @warhead_beast7661 Před 11 měsíci +22

    2:40 this change is actually really nice for naval BB players. The repair costs are mostly 50k+ sl and it is very hard to get a positive income when you have the misfortune and get an bugged diving shell right into your ammo at spawn

    • @SilentSniper58
      @SilentSniper58 Před 11 měsíci +4

      ikr, this was my first though too. nothing makes me rage quit and be a one death leaver like watching a bot using a helena sneek a HE round through a bugged spot on my Belt armor and instantly set me back 59K SL.

    • @CetoFreakingKaiba
      @CetoFreakingKaiba Před 11 měsíci

      or bombed to oblivion because you sail a dreadnought BB.

    • @sturmgeschutze3070
      @sturmgeschutze3070 Před 11 měsíci

      @@CetoFreakingKaiba*because you sail anything that isn’t american

    • @CetoFreakingKaiba
      @CetoFreakingKaiba Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@sturmgeschutze3070 lmao, mostly referring to BB's in which case most of them still don't have that great AA (though some do). But true, american AA so strong that it protects half the team

    • @piloto182mx4
      @piloto182mx4 Před 11 měsíci

      Naval?
      Do naval players exists?

  • @justinf2896
    @justinf2896 Před 11 měsíci +28

    These changes are amazing, but I am still worried and skeptical that they will continue with positive changes in the future, as Gaijn has never in their 10+ years of game development made positive changes like this.

  • @ommsterlitz1805
    @ommsterlitz1805 Před 11 měsíci +14

    Man i looked at the planned economy changes France might finally be played it's almost all green with an average of -6000 SL for tier IV+ vehicles😅

    • @lutscher7979
      @lutscher7979 Před 11 měsíci +7

      yeah, as a France main it's pretty good

    • @johnderat2652
      @johnderat2652 Před 11 měsíci

      where can I find the planned economy changes

  • @disturbedwaffle327
    @disturbedwaffle327 Před 11 měsíci +10

    I'm excited but not expecting too much tbh.

  • @Warmaker01
    @Warmaker01 Před 11 měsíci +2

    2:51 That panzer rolling right past you is a comedic moment.
    I don't play WT by the way, but I enjoy watching your vids.

  • @Rojek-ls3dl
    @Rojek-ls3dl Před 11 měsíci +9

    Gaijin should probably focus on making the community happy, with all sorts of QOL stuff to economy and gampley, and then the community will be more likely to buy more stuff like premium account or premium vechicles and bundles for collection

  • @marte9346
    @marte9346 Před 11 měsíci +12

    Honestly it would be cool if you got a research bonus when researching a vehicle you already have in a another nation. Like ik it is not the biggest issue but when I was researching some of the smaller techtrees after having played US and UK for like 200h it was pretty boring having to go thru ranks 2-3 with all the samey copypaste vehicles in them, and having to re-spade them all in order to be able to play like I already could in the US/UK trees.

  • @pdr_2703
    @pdr_2703 Před 11 měsíci +21

    6:09 I feel like that's gonna be incredibly frustrating. Kill stealing will be a bigger issue, I wish It was based on how much damage you've done.

    • @uisce_
      @uisce_ Před 11 měsíci +2

      Kill them faster then, Id rather have more assists in a game and win, than lose with more kills because half the team just sits in one spot camping, actively participating nothing to the team

    • @ezgeso4887
      @ezgeso4887 Před 11 měsíci +1

      people steal kills anyway

    • @kirtil5177
      @kirtil5177 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@uisce_ an assist is absolutely fair when the enemy could still have retaliated after your shot, but when they are on fire, down to 2 crew, breech, barrel and engine is black, then getting an assist for that feels frustrating.
      by saying "kill them faster" i can only see you meaning spending money on crew skills like reload speed (and shame on you for supporting p2w), or you're telling people to rush and die early, which is what results in half your team being gone in the first 5 minutes

    • @uisce_
      @uisce_ Před 11 měsíci

      @@kirtil5177 most of my crews are basic, I'm not saying play like a headless chicken just don't be a camping shitter ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
      Killstealers will always exist and i don't think this change will mean "more will appear" cause on average more players get more out of every action, so there's less of an incentive for the the most bog-standard average player to care

    • @pdr_2703
      @pdr_2703 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@uisce_ Not saying It's a bad addition, just that It could be done differently. Of course kill stealers will always exist, but having them get a higher reward for stealing would likely make things a bit more toxic. I think a reward for the damage done is better than just taking the kills into account.

  • @scorpionevo880
    @scorpionevo880 Před 11 měsíci +2

    A little surprised you didn't mention the possible additions of actually free parts and fpe, with better ones in the module tree to grind for. That's huge IMO, and something a lot of the community has been asking for for a long time, and to see the possibility of it actually happening is amazing

  • @darthioan
    @darthioan Před 11 měsíci +3

    I am really glad to see these changes. i think it will greatly benefit the game, the quality of battles and also the community mindset. i also think it will attract more players also, or bring back players who quit the game because of the frustrating economy and progression systtem.

  • @zachary-zombie
    @zachary-zombie Před 11 měsíci +8

    I think after all the backlash they got, they decided they reached their limit. So now they are fixing the game

  • @DustyVerzi
    @DustyVerzi Před 11 měsíci +12

    I'm not too positive about gajin but this update is very nice. Enjoying the posts keep em up man❤

  • @devendoffing7004
    @devendoffing7004 Před 11 měsíci

    Seeing you play the Sherman here was amazing timing for me since a day ago I got to drive an M4a3 (75) VVSS at the National War Museum in Boston

    • @devendoffing7004
      @devendoffing7004 Před 11 měsíci

      For anyone who might be wondering how to do this you have to have a valid driver’s license, be over 5’6 I think, be strong enough to work the extremely long clutch and the brakes (which are a lot harder to use than you’d think), sign up online for one of the tank demonstration weekends, make a $500 donation to the museum, and sign a waver. They offer the Sherman and the Chaffee. They were also driving around an M36 Jackson while I was driving, but they have recently restored it (within the last week) so it’s not available to drive yet.

  • @videosfer100
    @videosfer100 Před 11 měsíci

    thanks pyro, was really looking foward to your opinion on their response

  • @tokolima21
    @tokolima21 Před 11 měsíci +8

    hey spookston the booting mechanic is already in the game, i think its like 3 team kilsl and you're out, this will allow ppl to forgive you and you wont get booted after the 3 team kills

    • @DerAlleinTiger
      @DerAlleinTiger Před 11 měsíci +2

      What he means is whether this system will entirely replace the old one to the point where someone can just now *choose* to kick you after only *1* instead of 3. Basically, are you now fully at the mercy of the first person you teamkill, or is there still the buffer of 2-3 teamkills? They weren't perfectly clear on that, is what he was saying.

  • @raven4404
    @raven4404 Před 11 měsíci +12

    I was very happy when I saw the roadmap, especially the part where they talk about changing some maps, especially Poland, which has huge spawncamping problem. But man, all they did is that they removed few trees so the spawncampers could be spotted more easily and call it a day. I really hope that the trees were only something like "first stage" of changes, because they haven't solved the problem at all. I hoped that they would add some rocks / cliffs/ whatever would prevent spawncamping on that map. If all the things on the roadmap will look like this then it would be completely pointless lol.

    • @ZZ-zu7ht
      @ZZ-zu7ht Před 11 měsíci

      Locations "Poland" and "Eastern Europe": changing the landscape outside the towns in order to get rid of large forests and hills, introduction of fields with small interspersed forest/hills instead. This will get rid of the massive problems of standing in forests where no one is visible, and will lead to more active gameplay.
      SUMMER UPDATES 2023.

  • @hydroxideblue9367
    @hydroxideblue9367 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Would also be really cool for a follow-up video like a month from now on whether they followed through

  • @DraconixDG
    @DraconixDG Před 11 měsíci +1

    I really hope they follow through!

  • @kingdrew3rd32
    @kingdrew3rd32 Před 11 měsíci +8

    I've been asking that for years. Make it so that if a tank has bushes, give the player the option to turn them off or when a tank gets hit by a shell, the bushes fall off

    • @thunderousavenger2382
      @thunderousavenger2382 Před 11 měsíci +2

      the first option, while i might agree from the gameplay perspective. i disagree from a customer perspective. people including me did pay money for them for various reasons.
      you may call me and them filthy p2w scrubs. but it is what it is.
      you should never take something away from a player like that after real hard earned money was spent.
      the second option you gave howere, in my books would be perfectly reasonable and not exactly removing something from a player that spent real money.

    • @EdyAlbertoMSGT3
      @EdyAlbertoMSGT3 Před 11 měsíci +7

      @@thunderousavenger2382 Soo you bought the bushes specifically to be a filthy bushmonster, got it.

    • @christophervanoster
      @christophervanoster Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@thunderousavenger2382so you’re a pay to win person. Schum

    • @Benanarama.
      @Benanarama. Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@christophervanoster Don't hate the player hate the game

    • @Benanarama.
      @Benanarama. Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@EdyAlbertoMSGT3 Don't hate the player hate the game

  • @MrJerppu
    @MrJerppu Před 11 měsíci +3

    Spookston you should play the 15cm sIG 33 B Sfl if you already haven't, It's a 1.0 german tank destroyer which shoots 40Kg stock HE rounds with 8.6 Kg of filler. It also offers HEAT. Though the velocity of the shells is less than desirable, iirc it's 240m/s

    • @Aahmpower
      @Aahmpower Před 11 měsíci

      Saw one of those again at 6.7
      I 50cal'd the driver and finished it off with the 90mm
      I was in my Super Pershing

    • @MrJerppu
      @MrJerppu Před 11 měsíci

      @@Aahmpower Yeah it's not really armored, But it's slim and destructive.

  • @vladholovatiuk9485
    @vladholovatiuk9485 Před 11 měsíci +1

    My only issue with night battles is the flares in the sky. I have to turn on and off the NVG's every 20-30 seconds. Either make moonlight brighter and just keep it as is, or make it pitch black and force everyone to run NVG

  • @sodaisflat4593
    @sodaisflat4593 Před 11 měsíci +1

    The T129, Italian helicopter has a free premium backup and honestly, I think restricting it from specific vehicles like the Ka50 or in general helicopters would do more good.

  • @Aus542
    @Aus542 Před 11 měsíci +18

    Yo spookston you should try the challenger ds it’s a British mbt that is genuinely good but be careful it’s armor is not the best but if you do good with it’s so fun.

  • @An0beseGiraffe
    @An0beseGiraffe Před 11 měsíci +11

    I was quite onboard with the roadmap and changes, but what has made me skeptical is they listed changes that would happen to the Vikhrs missile spam and in the update that would have these changes, nothing has changed. You can still ripple off all 12 missiles on one SPAA or target, when the update was meant to limit it to only 2 I believe.

    • @uisce_
      @uisce_ Před 11 měsíci +1

      have you tried vihkirs with the new ATGM change? They are definitely nerfed

    • @An0beseGiraffe
      @An0beseGiraffe Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@uisce_ Yeah I have, they still feel powerful especially compared to things like the hellfire etc.
      My point was that you can still rapidly fire and guide your entire ATGM loadout onto a (for example) ITO or Flarakrad and win the engagement. Even though the dev blog said this wasn't meant to happen.

    • @araknas3981
      @araknas3981 Před 11 měsíci

      @@An0beseGiraffe Then you need to read the devblog again. It said that you can't fire a missile, wait some time and fire again because the first one will lose track, but you can still fire them in a quick succession... which is exactly how it works now.

  • @whatismynameohwhatismyname
    @whatismynameohwhatismyname Před 11 měsíci +2

    Agree on the tank vs air grind, I seriously don't understand how nobody is questioning why this isn't being applied to tanks more, grinding air, is much quicker. I mean, if you nolife it you can easily grind out a whole medium size tree (aka Japan) in a week with a premium, while doing so in a tank will probably not even get you up to 10.0.

  • @cdburner5911
    @cdburner5911 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Other than the grind, the biggest reason I have quit the snail is the lack of new game modes for ground (and in general). There is PvP cap the circle, and a borked PvE, and that's basically it. Its essentially the same for air and boats too, and it just got old for me.
    There is so many awesome game modes they could create with combined arms, PvPvE, 3 way battles, persistent battles, battles with non-combat type rolls, attack/defense, convoy, tons of stuff.
    Hell, they could go through and rotate through some of the old april fools events and some of the other unique events for some variety.

  • @DoomDutch
    @DoomDutch Před 11 měsíci +4

    I have no doubt that Gaijin will find ways, excuses and exploits to revert back to what they originally wanted. It especially shows with how the keep lying, such as that (some) of these changes were already planned, which is bollocks.

  • @theballingboi5360
    @theballingboi5360 Před 11 měsíci +3

    I haven't watched the whole video yet, but I really hope they also remove the thing where as you get more kills, you get less research. Research is the most annoying thing to grind for, and the way it works right now gives very little advantage to being high skill. I know they said destroying more gives a booster, but they never mentioned RB or air. I feel like if I get an ace in air RB, I should get the research of 5 kills, not 2. For instance, I get 10k research for a 1 kill game in the F-5C, but I only get 20-22k research for an ace. It just makes grinding RP way more tedious than it needs to be.

  • @thewiglyeststickman499
    @thewiglyeststickman499 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Yo I just noticed that I was in the same match as you in the first clip. I saw that KW due infringement of me but the little Asu took ten years to climb up that hill.

  • @dozh5248
    @dozh5248 Před 11 měsíci

    Bro i love your vehicle gameplay videos, but what sound mod do you use?

  • @Laconianarms
    @Laconianarms Před 11 měsíci +2

    Gaijin listening to players!?!?!?! Impossible Preposterous Blasphemy

  • @eliaspanayi3465
    @eliaspanayi3465 Před 11 měsíci +5

    This shows gaijin is aware enough to acknowledge the complaints. Meaning we can actually stand up for players if they try to backtrack

  • @mikeymikey4186
    @mikeymikey4186 Před 11 měsíci

    I think a good change would be highlighting the button for commander control once your gunner gets taken out. I always forget this option exists since I don't know which tanks have it or not

  • @Wigza
    @Wigza Před 11 měsíci +1

    i wish that different era vehicles where in different tech trees like the blue water fleet and coastal fleet, and to they are unlocked to start researching similar to the helicopter tech tree where you need to have a rank whatever vehicle before researching it form using a cold war tank but letting someone who is good at the game have post ww2 jet planes.

  • @ashleyhamman
    @ashleyhamman Před 11 měsíci +2

    I fee like if people knew that Gaijin would do a pretty fleshed out roadmap/changelist like this, then we all would have given a lot more input on little stuff instead of economy-economy-economy. For example, their foldered vehicle change, while nice, feels incompletely thought out. Something I've wanted for a long time is that you could cross-research and buy with a discount the same model of vehicle if it appears in different tech trees, making trees with large numbers import/lendlease more appealing. I try to strategize my research to see the widest variety of vehicles with the least amount of grinding. I don't want to have to custom grind through the same couple versions of M4s for example in 5 different trees.

  • @fidel-3470
    @fidel-3470 Před 11 měsíci

    I'd like to see the Drone swapped for a new feature where you can spawn as an immobile (or semi-mobile) AA at an airfield for a minor SP cost. This could be utilized when someone is camping the helicopter airfield or if there's a particularly powerful aircraft dominating team. This could also give players with too low of SP to spawn another vehicle (or are out of vehicles) and opportunity to earn more SP or just continue to play. I think this feature would get used rarely, but it would add a different layer to GRB.

  • @CelabroSpace
    @CelabroSpace Před 11 měsíci

    Can't wait for all of this to come out!

  • @nikolaisuterovich
    @nikolaisuterovich Před 11 měsíci

    In regards to the folder vehicles, since this will reduce the number of required vehicles to move up the tree will it also reduce the top end RP requirements? Such as the F-14b being 420,000 RP as of right now, would these changes bring that down?

  • @novkorova2774
    @novkorova2774 Před 11 měsíci

    I love foldered vehicles, they often are just a better/more specific version of the regular one. It will be good to see their grinding more bearable.

  • @monticore1626
    @monticore1626 Před 11 měsíci

    I personally don’t mind bushes but would like it if they would form to the shape of the vehicle and around optics and mgs (essentially if you try to put a bush on your mg port it will create a hole for the mg so it doesn’t actually cover it)

  • @exercitus8535
    @exercitus8535 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I think one of the most important parts is the ability to research helis on ground vehicles. Since they just can't make heli gamemode right, it's a good alternative, especially when you don't want to buy premium heli

  • @e_da_g2161
    @e_da_g2161 Před 11 měsíci +1

    It would be really cool if you could just use the Churchill Crocodile to burn off all the bushes on a tank.

  • @FirestormMk3
    @FirestormMk3 Před 11 měsíci

    I was pleasantly surprised when I read the the notes a few days ago. I'd like to be cautiously optimistic, but they're gonna need to earn trust over time. This stuff all needs to make it in without backpedaling and them keep listening into the next year for me to start spending again. They can say this was always intended, or try to use it as proof they do listen, but I won't forget what it took to get them to listen, and I'll always be on the lookout for them reversing course.

  • @ncormontagne
    @ncormontagne Před 11 měsíci

    From what I've seen it's like there was one guy deciding the whole development strategy (from economy to mechanics, etc...) And that guy got fired or replaced and the whole strategy of development and communication changed with him.

  • @MorvranLive
    @MorvranLive Před 11 měsíci

    The area im concerned about, is that they have gone into detail about possible future changes for AB and RB, but have basically not touched SB. Whilst prehaps not your wheel house as a tanker. As an SB Air Main, Im not sure how any of these changes will work with the SB we have currently

  • @3DPrintingRockets
    @3DPrintingRockets Před 11 měsíci

    I'm looking forward for those changes

  • @SilentHunter7
    @SilentHunter7 Před 11 měsíci

    2:51
    That comment about players playing with their brain off was perfectly synced.

  • @avsbes98
    @avsbes98 Před 11 měsíci

    5:12 I think it will also enable the playerbase to give better/more detailed feedback. Now, this is a bit more important in certain other games, as war thunder already does display sl/rp gains for certain actions you make immediately after you made them, so you don't have to guess that much "how much did i make from scouting? how much did i make from damaging or destroying enemies?", but it's still nice.

  • @larikauranen2159
    @larikauranen2159 Před 11 měsíci

    About those foldered vehicles, i remeber them years ago being of less rp tha the main vehicle which is why i back then researched those tanks or planes but obviously it was annyoing whe they relmoved them from the brackets

  • @AirWolf2301
    @AirWolf2301 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Even if half of changes are implemented I will change my negative steam review to positive, praise them, and keep the old text with the words "I was wrong, they can change. They proved it to me."
    This is an amazing first step!

  • @Collat3ralD4mage
    @Collat3ralD4mage Před 11 měsíci +2

    Yesterday I was playing 11.7 Germany ground and I noticed that my dm53 dm43 and dm33 apfsds was doing less post pen damage and less spalling etc has anyone else noticed this or is it just me?

  • @naum2099
    @naum2099 Před 11 měsíci

    does anyone know where the vote for the changes to repair cost thingie is ? I can't seem to find it myself...

  • @kabob0077
    @kabob0077 Před 11 měsíci

    7:18 [Insert Sendai voice clip about night battles here]

  • @warbrak7373
    @warbrak7373 Před 11 měsíci

    The dynamic repair cost is ineffective for air RB as the time you climb to 4km is around 5min for prop planes, plus the time you start fighting...

  • @Starsky3022
    @Starsky3022 Před 11 měsíci

    Been advocating for the premium changes for several years at this point. Happy they finally figured that one out

  • @perhaps3681
    @perhaps3681 Před 11 měsíci

    With that thumbnail might as well have made the title “HUGE WAR THUNDER DRAMA”

  • @gizmogadget1151
    @gizmogadget1151 Před 11 měsíci

    I was hoping I could get your opinion on the loader mechanic they are adding like if your half loaded and he gets killed it doesn't reset the reload

  • @galacticthreat1236
    @galacticthreat1236 Před 11 měsíci

    Hey, Spookston, can you play the ST-A3? It’s a fantastic tank at its BR with both amazing M82 shot (more pen than base ver.) and amazing Heat FS. It’s autoloader causes some fantastic results and the armor can protect you from SPAA and long range medium to small calibers.
    Also, the Type 87 RCV lost its stabilizer last year, but with the new RCV(P), the prototype retains the stabilizer? I think there’s an issue. What do you think?

  • @slimewithadumpy6356
    @slimewithadumpy6356 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I think the betrayal system should be able to kick someone based on one kill because I've been teamkilled by a guy before and his reason was "I have more planes than you and you're poor so I wanted to screw you over" people like that made me stop playing the game for a while.

  • @joumaxu2629
    @joumaxu2629 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Finally a step to the right direction! Also yes grinding for tanks is much worse than planes heck i use a tactic that i play air that i get a lot of silver lions and then have the real fun at tanks until i have like none left and the cycle continous

  • @levidekoning2531
    @levidekoning2531 Před 11 měsíci

    I am pretty stoked with the 0 loss games, what ends up happening to me a lot is that I am often not the best player and have some bad games every now and then, like 0 kills 4-5 deaths due to spawn camping, bad luck etc. and with the higher repair costs at ~8.0 income for me hasn't been that good. And then I get 1/2 bad games and just go -40k loosing not only time on a bad match but also progress I grinded for. Now it would only cost me time what would be so much less frustrating.

  • @jacob2k428
    @jacob2k428 Před 11 měsíci

    I think the SL insurance thing is probably good for top-tier since top-tier vehicles tend to be obscenely expensive, so you can actually spawn more than 1-2 vehicles and not worry about going negative

  • @michal16a
    @michal16a Před 11 měsíci +1

    My main concern is the fact that there is massive reduction in RP but SL cost are almost untouched so we i'am afraid that there will be even higher gap between research speed and earning for researched vehicles

    • @user-rs5ui5lg5i
      @user-rs5ui5lg5i Před 11 měsíci

      SL earning will be increased so should not affect that much.

    • @timharnans
      @timharnans Před 11 měsíci

      @@user-rs5ui5lg5iIt’s not increased by enough though. But just bring a M22 or BT-5 in your lineup, spawn it first for +20k SL per battle

  • @asilentslayer2189
    @asilentslayer2189 Před 11 měsíci

    I think they should add more options for ground simulator battles. Simulator battles are great, but very limited in 2 options. Which is usually high tier and low tier. But often times the "low tier" is one rank below the high tier. If there was even one more just added for the mid tier or guaranteed low tier that would be so much fun and maybe more players would try to play it. I know the only thing that stops me is the line ups half the time.

  • @anerdyfruit7867
    @anerdyfruit7867 Před 11 měsíci +1

    It's disappointing what it took to get here, but these are actually really good changes. I might start playing again when these changes go live (Been about a year "sober").

  • @YeEpIkAiYeI
    @YeEpIkAiYeI Před 11 měsíci +1

    Now, will any of this apply to Naval Battles or will only apply for Ground and Air?

  • @Baconweather
    @Baconweather Před 11 měsíci

    4:36 dangit i cant get revenge on kill stealers in air rb

  • @Th3Bishop3
    @Th3Bishop3 Před 11 měsíci

    I hope after sorting out high rank aircraft, they still come back to sort out ground after.

  • @TrepidDestiny
    @TrepidDestiny Před 11 měsíci

    They need to earn our trust back. We'll see what actually gets implemented and for how long.
    I am excited to have foldered vehicles cost less RP though. Case in point, I had the XM-803 unlocked like 2 years ago, and never researched the MBT-70 until recently, because there was just no point, despite the MBT-70 being one of my favorite prototype tanks.
    Also Spook, Day 1 of asking your thoughts on this:
    A massive combined arms battle, call it "War for Bourbon Island". Take the Bourbon Island map, have extra large teams, and a ton of objectives to capture. Full combined arms of land, sea, and air. The battle should take hours to complete, and teams have a spawn point pool that can be replenished by destroying enemy vehicles or capturing points. This would actually make those neat gimmicks they add like dozer blades useful for building hull down positions to defend key points.
    I know it CAN be done, there is a community game up sometimes that is like the entire Kandahar region of Afghanistan where people are driving around in tanks and helis.

  • @dobbydobson9430
    @dobbydobson9430 Před 11 měsíci

    Next thing that should be addressed is the fact that me and a lot of other players started out on console and moved to PC but apparently because of a "high amount of requests" that Gaijin no longer do transfers and I would like to be able to download more historical camos for vehicles that aren't available in game 😞

  • @wpsp2010
    @wpsp2010 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Strange how they did a 180 from "This is your fault" to "give us feedback" lol

  • @monkepotato3897
    @monkepotato3897 Před 11 měsíci +1

    top 10 spookston videos where he doesn’t sound tired:
    -
    thanks for watching!

  • @ArmouredOnion
    @ArmouredOnion Před 11 měsíci +1

    Day 4 of asking Spookston to play the Churchill NA75 (As he doesn't like solid shot but I still would like some Churchill gameplay) The NA75 is a great tank if angled and has the same gun as the Sherman, even though it is British this Churchill does have APHE, that's why I thought this would be the best Churchill for you to play. Thanks, great content :)

  • @konrad_orzechowski
    @konrad_orzechowski Před 11 měsíci

    I play on a xbox 1s and right now I am unable to do ANYTHING besides log in and switch countries. If I launch a game the timer starts and the queue is nowhere to be seen, if I change a vehicle or send it to holiday I get put in an infinite loop of processing opperation and on top of that internal server cannot be reached tabs ever since the launch of the la royal update and I'm not the only one experiencing this and its extremely frustrating. Snd you can't pick up your daily rewards. It sort of stacks?

  • @duvagr007
    @duvagr007 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I think my favorite changes in the Devblog were the dynamic repair costs and the RP reduction for new nations. But honestly if we see most of these changes go into the game Gaijin will not only see no reduction in income (which is why they were so scared to make the grind manageable in the first place) but they'll actually see an increase. People spend money on things they enjoy and they want to support. Simple as that. Plus it'll bring back a lot of people who gave up on the game and keep new players around, so even more players and even more money. Literally everybody wins the Snail has just been very short-sighted in the past.

  • @sc4rles
    @sc4rles Před 11 měsíci +1

    I like the repair cost change and giving more SL, but the research costs should be only after like 6.0 when it gets really bad because im a 2 year old player and i actually like taking my time and making line ups.

  • @wellinthatcasethatsucks
    @wellinthatcasethatsucks Před 11 měsíci

    Sounds like SaveTF2. "We hear you" seems pretty similar.

  • @S-396-Shark
    @S-396-Shark Před 11 měsíci +1

    Great! Now all we need is to hold them accountable. These are some awesome changes(I really hope the 6.7 to 10.7 get decompress so I can enjoy 6.7 again)

  • @Gamerfat
    @Gamerfat Před 11 měsíci

    Nice break down spook
    One thing I would love if gaijin adds the "assist counts as a kill" mechanic from bf1 ,where the player who damages more than 50 percent of the tank parts or kills more than 50 percent of the crew yet couldn't finish off the tank also get the kill rp/sl along with the player who actually killed it that would be fair and would make the game bearable !!

  • @mescum4454
    @mescum4454 Před 11 měsíci +2

    >add more foldered vehicles
    >reduce rp cost of foldered vehicles
    >sl cost remains the same
    >non-premium player base💀

  • @zacharync3066
    @zacharync3066 Před 11 měsíci

    I haven’t been able to play my game for 4 days an no word on a bug fix, stuck on processing operation page

  • @vizender
    @vizender Před 11 měsíci

    You also did not mention the 1 FPE, and standard repair kit as well as countermeasures that are going to be added to stock vehicles. For me that is the second best thing after folder vehicles to be added

  • @generalseal6948
    @generalseal6948 Před 11 měsíci

    when a snake stops choking its prey and lossens its grip its not letting its prey go its adjusting and getting ready to squeeze them even harder

  • @frunk468
    @frunk468 Před 11 měsíci

    while the increase in RP gain for aircrafts is an overall positive, I must agree that ground needs it's way more. I myself was able to grind out 3 whole aircraft tech trees in 3 months, granted I used a premium vehicle and premium time. However, spending the same amount of time on ground I have yet to reach a signle top tier vehicle, even with prem time and vehicles.

  • @shrb1198
    @shrb1198 Před 11 měsíci

    i doubt theyre going to make foldered vehicles half as much to grind, and idk how much theyre going to folder vehicles, since it might make some tech trees look very bare or emty, wish they added this a while back

  • @fischkopf5608
    @fischkopf5608 Před 11 měsíci

    Hey spookston could you please do a review on the new italian freccia?